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Dmitri Ivashchenko
Jul 21, 2011, 12:38:15 AM7/21/11
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Hey,
very new to the electric bike idea.I live in Rockville and like to
ride through rockcreek park, which is pretty hilly to get to work in
Dupont. Its about a 12 mile trip one way. When I do this on my own
bike, I usually arrive drenched in sweat at work. This doesnt work
really well so I've been thinking of getting this bike. However A)It
is very expensive B) For this money, should I be looking elsewhere at
other bikes?
I have also looked at the german Grace bike.
I do in particular love the folding aspect of this particular bike and
the power is nice. I rode it the other day at the store.
I could bring it to my office and have it locked there so it is
perfect in those regards. Also, charging would be available.
I am interested in anyone who knows this bike system (E+), what they
think about it and whether you think this bike is worth the asking
price which is very high!
Please let me know.
All the best,
D
very new to the electric bike idea.I live in Rockville and like to
ride through rockcreek park, which is pretty hilly to get to work in
Dupont. Its about a 12 mile trip one way. When I do this on my own
bike, I usually arrive drenched in sweat at work. This doesnt work
really well so I've been thinking of getting this bike. However A)It
is very expensive B) For this money, should I be looking elsewhere at
other bikes?
I have also looked at the german Grace bike.
I do in particular love the folding aspect of this particular bike and
the power is nice. I rode it the other day at the store.
I could bring it to my office and have it locked there so it is
perfect in those regards. Also, charging would be available.
I am interested in anyone who knows this bike system (E+), what they
think about it and whether you think this bike is worth the asking
price which is very high!
Please let me know.
All the best,
D
Bike_on
Jul 21, 2011, 11:28:52 AM7/21/11
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Dmitri,
I live in LAurel. E+ would be great for a 12 mile trip on bike paths
and the power will get you up any hills down there.
There have been a few issues with E+, which you can read about on this
forum. However, since EMS is local, you have direct access for any
warranty issues.
You need to talk them down in price on the 2.0 model. They are having
sales all the time. The 2.0 does have some upgrade components. I
would not pay more than $3500 for it. I have seen the E+ 1000W Elite
for around $2800, but not foldable.
You will HAVE to recharge at work in order to get home, so make sure
that is possible. The range is 15-20 miles at moderate throttle
usage. A 750W will go longer than a 1000W. I would get the 1000W,
just to have the power available. Yiu can lower the output on the
control unit.
Just some ideas,
Dan
On Jul 21, 12:38 am, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I live in LAurel. E+ would be great for a 12 mile trip on bike paths
and the power will get you up any hills down there.
There have been a few issues with E+, which you can read about on this
forum. However, since EMS is local, you have direct access for any
warranty issues.
You need to talk them down in price on the 2.0 model. They are having
sales all the time. The 2.0 does have some upgrade components. I
would not pay more than $3500 for it. I have seen the E+ 1000W Elite
for around $2800, but not foldable.
You will HAVE to recharge at work in order to get home, so make sure
that is possible. The range is 15-20 miles at moderate throttle
usage. A 750W will go longer than a 1000W. I would get the 1000W,
just to have the power available. Yiu can lower the output on the
control unit.
Just some ideas,
Dan
On Jul 21, 12:38 am, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
deerfencer1
Jul 21, 2011, 1:12:29 PM7/21/11
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Dmitri,
What Dan said--all spot on.
Re the folding frame, yes it looks cool but on a bike this weight I
kind of doubt its practicality.
Where/when would you actually use this feature, especially just riding
to work and back?
Do yourself a favor and test ride one of E+'s more aggressive non-
foldable bikes made for blacktop riding and see how you like it. You
may easily save over $1000 by choosing a different model. Either way
be sure you get an X (1000W) model or you will be kicking yourself
very shortly. $The $2800 range that Dan mentions should be doable, and
you have a huge hometown advantage being so close to EMS headquarters
for servicing and repair work.
Best of luck and keep us posted--we're in desperate need of more E+
reviews!
Regards,
Larry Hayes
What Dan said--all spot on.
Re the folding frame, yes it looks cool but on a bike this weight I
kind of doubt its practicality.
Where/when would you actually use this feature, especially just riding
to work and back?
Do yourself a favor and test ride one of E+'s more aggressive non-
foldable bikes made for blacktop riding and see how you like it. You
may easily save over $1000 by choosing a different model. Either way
be sure you get an X (1000W) model or you will be kicking yourself
very shortly. $The $2800 range that Dan mentions should be doable, and
you have a huge hometown advantage being so close to EMS headquarters
for servicing and repair work.
Best of luck and keep us posted--we're in desperate need of more E+
reviews!
Regards,
Larry Hayes
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Jul 21, 2011, 2:00:00 PM7/21/11
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Hey guys, thanks for all the wise words. In terms of the price for the
bike new, EMS will not budge. They offered to sell me the demo model
for a couple hundred off, but I don't think that the price is
justifiable. However, due to this incredible forum and you guys
keeping this forum updated, I found the Clist posting that someone
noted in NC. I have reserved the bike and am going to buy it this
weekend. The Price is $2000.00, and use is supposed to be low. I think
the guy mentioned having no problems whatsoever with it, so I hope to
report back with pictures over the weekend.
In terms of the folding frame, practicality wise it is useful to me A)
I can put the bike in back of my SUV B) I can get the montague bag for
the folding bike online and I can store it in my office (this is
preferrable to keeping it in the public bike room).
So that's why I've been thinking the x2.0. Also, there is just
something about that bikes design which makes it very "kick-ass" to
me. I hope to be using it on the trails as well as my commmute, so the
frame build and offroad capabilities are also interesting to me.
I will report back to you guys if I pick it up.
Thanks for the words of advice and I'm happy to have joined the
community!
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bike new, EMS will not budge. They offered to sell me the demo model
for a couple hundred off, but I don't think that the price is
justifiable. However, due to this incredible forum and you guys
keeping this forum updated, I found the Clist posting that someone
noted in NC. I have reserved the bike and am going to buy it this
weekend. The Price is $2000.00, and use is supposed to be low. I think
the guy mentioned having no problems whatsoever with it, so I hope to
report back with pictures over the weekend.
In terms of the folding frame, practicality wise it is useful to me A)
I can put the bike in back of my SUV B) I can get the montague bag for
the folding bike online and I can store it in my office (this is
preferrable to keeping it in the public bike room).
So that's why I've been thinking the x2.0. Also, there is just
something about that bikes design which makes it very "kick-ass" to
me. I hope to be using it on the trails as well as my commmute, so the
frame build and offroad capabilities are also interesting to me.
I will report back to you guys if I pick it up.
Thanks for the words of advice and I'm happy to have joined the
community!
>
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deerfencer1
Jul 22, 2011, 12:51:25 AM7/22/11
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Sweet! God luck with it, and please file some ride reports.
LH
On Jul 21, 2:00 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
LH
On Jul 21, 2:00 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
m4
Jul 22, 2011, 5:30:39 PM7/22/11
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my 2 cents-
I found the folding aspect of the Tidalforce beneficial to place in
the trunk of my honda (at the time) and not needing a bike rack.
Awhile ago someone posted a lightly used Tidalforce x2.0 for around
$2500. I think it was in Ashville, North Carolina. That might be worth
looking at!
m4
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I found the folding aspect of the Tidalforce beneficial to place in
the trunk of my honda (at the time) and not needing a bike rack.
Awhile ago someone posted a lightly used Tidalforce x2.0 for around
$2500. I think it was in Ashville, North Carolina. That might be worth
looking at!
m4
Ambrose Liao
Jul 23, 2011, 12:21:02 AM7/23/11
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I think that's the one that he's picking up this weekend for $2,000.
Ambrose
m4
Jul 23, 2011, 5:43:27 PM7/23/11
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if that is the case, he got a steal... i would look into seeing if
there is a warranty and if it is transferable.
I believe the parts alone on the x2.0 are worth over 1k.
Keep us posted!!!
m4
there is a warranty and if it is transferable.
I believe the parts alone on the x2.0 are worth over 1k.
Keep us posted!!!
m4
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Jul 24, 2011, 7:18:17 PM7/24/11
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Hey guys,
picked up the bike. It's got about 650 miles on it, owner was in NC
and the drive was long but worth it! Got it for $1750.00!! Pics coming
soon! From first glance, everything is great except will need new
breakpads, a tuneup, and possibly a battery refurbish. I drove it
around and the power is amazing! I'm heavy and it carries me with no
problem even without pedalling. The engine seems good, but after about
15 minutes riding with high power (9) engaged and hilly roads, the
battery had gone down about 2 bars. That seems high, considering the
test bike i rode for at least 25 minutes mostly on battery power and
it went down about 1.5. So I am taking the bike to E+ tomorrow to get
everything tested and tuned, and will do my first commute to work
later this week!
I'm really excited though, the bike is beautiful! Number 12 from 240!
Updates and trip report soon!
picked up the bike. It's got about 650 miles on it, owner was in NC
and the drive was long but worth it! Got it for $1750.00!! Pics coming
soon! From first glance, everything is great except will need new
breakpads, a tuneup, and possibly a battery refurbish. I drove it
around and the power is amazing! I'm heavy and it carries me with no
problem even without pedalling. The engine seems good, but after about
15 minutes riding with high power (9) engaged and hilly roads, the
battery had gone down about 2 bars. That seems high, considering the
test bike i rode for at least 25 minutes mostly on battery power and
it went down about 1.5. So I am taking the bike to E+ tomorrow to get
everything tested and tuned, and will do my first commute to work
later this week!
I'm really excited though, the bike is beautiful! Number 12 from 240!
Updates and trip report soon!
deerfencer1
Jul 25, 2011, 12:18:23 PM7/25/11
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Congrats--you got a great bargain!
Looking forward to your reports.
LH
On Jul 24, 7:18 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
Looking forward to your reports.
LH
On Jul 24, 7:18 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Jul 25, 2011, 2:25:01 PM7/25/11
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Took the bike to E+ today. I am going to get the battery reconditioned
and tested -- I'd like to know what kind of shape it's in before the
commute -- and getting new brk pads, new tires and the tune-up. Should
have it back on Friday and will report back after I do some trial
runs.
Took out for a spin last night, was cruising around my neighborhood,
saw a guy on a speed bike climbing a hill, couldn't resist cruising by
on the other side of the road uphill without any pedaling. The power
on the E+ 1000W is really great!
Here's a preview pic, my bike when I got it back to my house
yesterday. I will post detailed pics once I get the bike back.
http://picturepush.com/public/6173105
and tested -- I'd like to know what kind of shape it's in before the
commute -- and getting new brk pads, new tires and the tune-up. Should
have it back on Friday and will report back after I do some trial
runs.
Took out for a spin last night, was cruising around my neighborhood,
saw a guy on a speed bike climbing a hill, couldn't resist cruising by
on the other side of the road uphill without any pedaling. The power
on the E+ 1000W is really great!
Here's a preview pic, my bike when I got it back to my house
yesterday. I will post detailed pics once I get the bike back.
http://picturepush.com/public/6173105
Ambrose Liao
Jul 25, 2011, 3:02:41 PM7/25/11
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Lycra hunting already, huh? :)
Ambrose
Bike_on
Jul 25, 2011, 4:42:00 PM7/25/11
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Sweet deal on that bike...ok, I'm envious of that deal!!. :).
Congrats and enjoy. Hope to see you on a bike path someday around DC.
Dan
On Jul 25, 2:25 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
Congrats and enjoy. Hope to see you on a bike path someday around DC.
Dan
On Jul 25, 2:25 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
miro13carr
Jul 21, 2011, 7:36:25 PM7/21/11
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Previet!
I pokupil E+ 1000W kit i mial problem ,motor sie dziorgal , jak masz
nie daleko do servisu blisko do Dallas to kupuj E+.
I pokupil E+ 1000W kit i mial problem ,motor sie dziorgal , jak masz
nie daleko do servisu blisko do Dallas to kupuj E+.
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Jul 28, 2011, 2:55:29 PM7/28/11
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Sorry Miro,
I don't know if you do know Russian, but what you are writing above
makes little sense. Mixing Russian and English -- just stick to the
English would be my advice.
No offense btw, just saying hard to understand.
D
I don't know if you do know Russian, but what you are writing above
makes little sense. Mixing Russian and English -- just stick to the
English would be my advice.
No offense btw, just saying hard to understand.
D
Ambrose Liao
Jul 28, 2011, 3:30:33 PM7/28/11
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Ivan,
Any word on your bike? Will it be ready tomorrow? How much was all that work they did for you???
Ambrose
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Jul 28, 2011, 8:34:46 PM7/28/11
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Hey,
got a call today that I will have to wait until Monday. I am of course
peeved, since I would have loved to have it over the weekend -- but
they said that they think there may be an issue with the battery
station they are using to "refurbish" the battery pack. I don't know
if that's the situation, or whether my battery is messed up (in which
case $675 for a new one OUCH)...either way, they said they will let me
know over the weekend or Monday.
I'm hoping that things will resolve in a non-expensive manner.
At the moment, got 2 new tires ($40/ per tire), brake pads ($20
total), and 2 hours general service (75/hr) for service. Then $325? or
$275 for the battery servicing. I hope that the battery will function,
otherwise they informed me I have to drop $675 for a new battery -- I
think that if that is the case though, I will be able to get some sort
of discount.
At the moment, I'm looking around $500 or so -- that's more or less
what I calculated in when I got the bike though. I'll let you know
when I get the final bill.
got a call today that I will have to wait until Monday. I am of course
peeved, since I would have loved to have it over the weekend -- but
they said that they think there may be an issue with the battery
station they are using to "refurbish" the battery pack. I don't know
if that's the situation, or whether my battery is messed up (in which
case $675 for a new one OUCH)...either way, they said they will let me
know over the weekend or Monday.
I'm hoping that things will resolve in a non-expensive manner.
At the moment, got 2 new tires ($40/ per tire), brake pads ($20
total), and 2 hours general service (75/hr) for service. Then $325? or
$275 for the battery servicing. I hope that the battery will function,
otherwise they informed me I have to drop $675 for a new battery -- I
think that if that is the case though, I will be able to get some sort
of discount.
At the moment, I'm looking around $500 or so -- that's more or less
what I calculated in when I got the bike though. I'll let you know
when I get the final bill.
deerfencer1
Jul 29, 2011, 3:13:13 PM7/29/11
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Dmitri,
Considering what you paid for the bike, even if you have to spring for
a new battery you're still sitting pretty IMO. And I like the fact
that EMS is going through the whole bike to be sure it's up to snuff.
Here's hoping you get your ride back early next week to put it through
the paces!
Larry
On Jul 28, 8:34 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Considering what you paid for the bike, even if you have to spring for
a new battery you're still sitting pretty IMO. And I like the fact
that EMS is going through the whole bike to be sure it's up to snuff.
Here's hoping you get your ride back early next week to put it through
the paces!
Larry
On Jul 28, 8:34 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 3, 2011, 12:13:22 AM8/3/11
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Test Ride 1: M-750 X2.0
It feels good to write that.
Let me tell you, as of 3 hours of riding and using a lot of power
assist with some solid 33 bike power MPH flat (no pedalling!!) and
then a 42Mph cruising downhill, the battery + regen show a solid 75%
power remaining. By the way, the mileage is accurate from what I can
tell and same with speed. I attached a speedreader from my old bike
just to check on accuracy after reading what others have said. I
thought the test bike was also inaccurate after googlemapping, but
maybe I was wrong because both these readers are saying the same
thing.
As for the actual battery meter, now that they "reset" the battery (by
the way $535 bill not too bad for all the work, new tires
etc)...battery they told me has 90% of battery life. I tried to wear
it down, but it effortlessly took me up hills and down with no
problems. I went 4 miles to the grocery store and back, and put in
another 4 around the neighborhood. It got late, so I had to come home
and get ready for bed. will keep riding tomorrow. The meter adapts to
your use and biking and estimates power remaining. I would appreciate
if someone could summarize how I should be reading the actual
voltages, and at what point the battery gets too low and I should be
careful not to damage it. Is that also a problem with NiMH batteries
or is discharging sometimes ok? I have been reading a lot of posts
about readings etc, but it's gone a little over my head, and I would
appreciate a little insight into the readings amps volts etc.
Anyway, back to the ride, its fast and silent. I felt two tiny
vibrations at about 24mph on two seperate occasions, but they were not
the kind I had seen on the test bike. I told them about that issue on
the testbike, and after adjustment, the problem was resolved. It
seemed to simply be a matter of tightening some parts as the bike had
just been built up. As for my ride, it flies along the rode silently,
it's simple incredible. 5 people from my building watched me cruise by
and were amazed at the speed and acceleration. I also took my dog for
a run to the local park and it was nice to not get stuck on the hills
with the leash pulling etc. The bike is very agile for the weight, its
incredibly balanced.
All I can say at the moment is WOW! I have no complaints, but will
give more details soon. Just wanted to throw out my first thoughts.
It feels good to write that.
Let me tell you, as of 3 hours of riding and using a lot of power
assist with some solid 33 bike power MPH flat (no pedalling!!) and
then a 42Mph cruising downhill, the battery + regen show a solid 75%
power remaining. By the way, the mileage is accurate from what I can
tell and same with speed. I attached a speedreader from my old bike
just to check on accuracy after reading what others have said. I
thought the test bike was also inaccurate after googlemapping, but
maybe I was wrong because both these readers are saying the same
thing.
As for the actual battery meter, now that they "reset" the battery (by
the way $535 bill not too bad for all the work, new tires
etc)...battery they told me has 90% of battery life. I tried to wear
it down, but it effortlessly took me up hills and down with no
problems. I went 4 miles to the grocery store and back, and put in
another 4 around the neighborhood. It got late, so I had to come home
and get ready for bed. will keep riding tomorrow. The meter adapts to
your use and biking and estimates power remaining. I would appreciate
if someone could summarize how I should be reading the actual
voltages, and at what point the battery gets too low and I should be
careful not to damage it. Is that also a problem with NiMH batteries
or is discharging sometimes ok? I have been reading a lot of posts
about readings etc, but it's gone a little over my head, and I would
appreciate a little insight into the readings amps volts etc.
Anyway, back to the ride, its fast and silent. I felt two tiny
vibrations at about 24mph on two seperate occasions, but they were not
the kind I had seen on the test bike. I told them about that issue on
the testbike, and after adjustment, the problem was resolved. It
seemed to simply be a matter of tightening some parts as the bike had
just been built up. As for my ride, it flies along the rode silently,
it's simple incredible. 5 people from my building watched me cruise by
and were amazed at the speed and acceleration. I also took my dog for
a run to the local park and it was nice to not get stuck on the hills
with the leash pulling etc. The bike is very agile for the weight, its
incredibly balanced.
All I can say at the moment is WOW! I have no complaints, but will
give more details soon. Just wanted to throw out my first thoughts.
Ambrose Liao
Aug 3, 2011, 7:26:56 AM8/3/11
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Wow! So it was worth the wait? :)
Let's get together for a ride!
Ambrose
Sent from my iPad 2
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 4, 2011, 11:05:22 AM8/4/11
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Ride two was a nice 8 mile hilly trip to my local REI store. Got
caught in the rain on the way back, but the bike had no issues. Weird
thing happened this morning, had the bike charging all night, checked
the charger and it had a green light, the battery meter on the bike
though was still showing a charge going through (with three bars from
five moving as if they were charging). I turned off the charger, and
then turned it back on. The light switched to the yellow, and then a
few minutes later to the blinking yellow, indicating charging. I then
checked the bike about 10 minutes later and the bars had increased
from 3-4 bars. I had to go to work, but I am hopeful that it will
fully charge this time while I am out.
E+ told me this morning that this could happen until I start using the
battery again regularily, as the reading of the computer may not yet
be adjusted to the charge -- and that if this happens again, I should
ride the bike before charging it. I will try and discharge the battery
as much as possible tonight to try and give it a full cycle charge
over night.
So far other than this minor issue which I think and hope is
temporary, everything is well.
On Aug 3, 7:26 am, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow! So it was worth the wait? :)
>
> Let's get together for a ride!
>
> Ambrose
>
> Sent from my iPad 2
>
> >>>>>> nie daleko do servisu blisko do Dallas to kupuj E+.- Hide quoted text -
caught in the rain on the way back, but the bike had no issues. Weird
thing happened this morning, had the bike charging all night, checked
the charger and it had a green light, the battery meter on the bike
though was still showing a charge going through (with three bars from
five moving as if they were charging). I turned off the charger, and
then turned it back on. The light switched to the yellow, and then a
few minutes later to the blinking yellow, indicating charging. I then
checked the bike about 10 minutes later and the bars had increased
from 3-4 bars. I had to go to work, but I am hopeful that it will
fully charge this time while I am out.
E+ told me this morning that this could happen until I start using the
battery again regularily, as the reading of the computer may not yet
be adjusted to the charge -- and that if this happens again, I should
ride the bike before charging it. I will try and discharge the battery
as much as possible tonight to try and give it a full cycle charge
over night.
So far other than this minor issue which I think and hope is
temporary, everything is well.
On Aug 3, 7:26 am, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow! So it was worth the wait? :)
>
> Let's get together for a ride!
>
> Ambrose
>
> Sent from my iPad 2
>
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 5, 2011, 9:23:15 PM8/5/11
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Did 50MPH today. I got up to about 35 with some light pedalling and
engine support, then got it up to 50mph stopped pedaling and the motor
kept me going at about 47-54mph for about 2.5 Miles!!! Cars we're
driving next to me and people were staring at me hahahahahahaha. I
can't say enough about how much fun this bike is.
I would like to point out one thing though which I have noticed. After
using the motor for a few miles on very high power setting and going
full speed, and then letting the throttle go and pedalling, you
sometimes have a magnet slow-down. This doesn't happen all the time,
in fact most of the time, there is no real resistance except for the
weight of the bike. However, after significant motoring, you may have
a temporary slow down. The way I usually get around it is minimize the
throttle at a very low setting (1) and throttle a quarter way in, and
the effect usually dissapates after a short time. You can also pedal
through it. I was told that there may be a small amount of drag from
the magnets, and I have read that in other similar built systems, that
this is simply an effect that you can't do much about since the
magnets stay in permanent positions. It was interesting, because I
remember someone else assking about the magnet drag, but it seems like
it's not much of an issue at this point, just a slight annoyance when
you have to pedal against some resistance.
On Aug 4, 11:05 am, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
engine support, then got it up to 50mph stopped pedaling and the motor
kept me going at about 47-54mph for about 2.5 Miles!!! Cars we're
driving next to me and people were staring at me hahahahahahaha. I
can't say enough about how much fun this bike is.
I would like to point out one thing though which I have noticed. After
using the motor for a few miles on very high power setting and going
full speed, and then letting the throttle go and pedalling, you
sometimes have a magnet slow-down. This doesn't happen all the time,
in fact most of the time, there is no real resistance except for the
weight of the bike. However, after significant motoring, you may have
a temporary slow down. The way I usually get around it is minimize the
throttle at a very low setting (1) and throttle a quarter way in, and
the effect usually dissapates after a short time. You can also pedal
through it. I was told that there may be a small amount of drag from
the magnets, and I have read that in other similar built systems, that
this is simply an effect that you can't do much about since the
magnets stay in permanent positions. It was interesting, because I
remember someone else assking about the magnet drag, but it seems like
it's not much of an issue at this point, just a slight annoyance when
you have to pedal against some resistance.
On Aug 4, 11:05 am, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 5, 2011, 9:25:11 PM8/5/11
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Oh and battery issue resolved itself. I came home to a full charge,
rode it yesterday for a couple miles, battery was still pretty full,
didn't charge overnight and did a 9 mile fast trip today to get
dinner. So very pleased with the range so far...still have about
(estimated) 30-35% battery remaining.
Also love that even though the charge goes down, the speed and
acceleration stay the same.
On Aug 4, 11:05 am, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
rode it yesterday for a couple miles, battery was still pretty full,
didn't charge overnight and did a 9 mile fast trip today to get
dinner. So very pleased with the range so far...still have about
(estimated) 30-35% battery remaining.
Also love that even though the charge goes down, the speed and
acceleration stay the same.
On Aug 4, 11:05 am, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
m4
Aug 6, 2011, 4:24:13 PM8/6/11
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i'm a little envious... ;)
50mph!!! were you going down hill?
I was only able to get up to about 40mph and that was flying down a
hill full throttle...
Anyhow, be safe at those speeds!!!
michael
On Aug 5, 10:25 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
50mph!!! were you going down hill?
I was only able to get up to about 40mph and that was flying down a
hill full throttle...
Anyhow, be safe at those speeds!!!
michael
On Aug 5, 10:25 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
Ambrose Liao
Aug 6, 2011, 10:39:48 PM8/6/11
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Hi Dmitri,
Not to doubt your speeds of 47-54 mph, but that seems highly unlikely. Is your speedometer set correctly? I have gone over 40 mph a couple of times and have found it exhilerating, but scary. Going 54mph without pedaling would require enormous power from the motor and would drain your NIMH batteries very quickly.
Ambrose
Sent from my iPad 2
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 7, 2011, 11:18:33 PM8/7/11
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Hey Ambrose. You are actually correct. Please excuse my numbers, I
also doubted the speedometer and today wnt out with a portable GPS
unit that accurately measures my car driving at 30mph. I also
installed the secondary speedometer.
Then I figured out that the bike speedometer was set on KPH. I had
reset it previously to MPH but somehow either hit the button or it
reset. Either way, new speeds today:
54KPH - 33mph top speed with no pedalling -- flat ground (slight
downwards slope at parts)
60KPH with pedalling on lowest gear and full engine...couldn't go any
faster because the road had cars on it and I felt uncomfortable
driving this fast.
Anyway, that should clear the confusion with the numbers. I also
noticed that using power mode 7 will get me to top speed just like 9
will, but 9 will accelerate faster. So stopped using 9 altogether to
conserve power.
Took the bike to the beach yesterday and got a whole days battery out
of it on a single charge. Battery was flashing at end of the day but
everyone who used it had a blast.
On Aug 6, 10:39 pm, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dmitri,
>
> Not to doubt your speeds of 47-54 mph, but that seems highly unlikely. Is your speedometer set correctly? I have gone over 40 mph a couple of times and have found it exhilerating, but scary. Going 54mph without pedaling would require enormous power from the motor and would drain your NIMH batteries very quickly.
>
> Ambrose
>
> Sent from my iPad 2
>
also doubted the speedometer and today wnt out with a portable GPS
unit that accurately measures my car driving at 30mph. I also
installed the secondary speedometer.
Then I figured out that the bike speedometer was set on KPH. I had
reset it previously to MPH but somehow either hit the button or it
reset. Either way, new speeds today:
54KPH - 33mph top speed with no pedalling -- flat ground (slight
downwards slope at parts)
60KPH with pedalling on lowest gear and full engine...couldn't go any
faster because the road had cars on it and I felt uncomfortable
driving this fast.
Anyway, that should clear the confusion with the numbers. I also
noticed that using power mode 7 will get me to top speed just like 9
will, but 9 will accelerate faster. So stopped using 9 altogether to
conserve power.
Took the bike to the beach yesterday and got a whole days battery out
of it on a single charge. Battery was flashing at end of the day but
everyone who used it had a blast.
On Aug 6, 10:39 pm, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dmitri,
>
> Not to doubt your speeds of 47-54 mph, but that seems highly unlikely. Is your speedometer set correctly? I have gone over 40 mph a couple of times and have found it exhilerating, but scary. Going 54mph without pedaling would require enormous power from the motor and would drain your NIMH batteries very quickly.
>
> Ambrose
>
> Sent from my iPad 2
>
OptOut
Aug 8, 2011, 6:39:40 AM8/8/11
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Thank you Dmitri and Ambrose for the great teamwork and honesty to correct the reporting accuracy. I was admittedly so stunned by the speeds I wasn't sure what you said you were riding since it read more like a motorcycle description.
I typically see my average total ride speeds increased by about 4 MPH on my TF over my old racing bicycle on the same ride. Example: 19 MPH on the TF vs 15 MPH on a regular bike. I mostly use the TF to assist climbing hills. I'd say it's to help prevent heart attacks but my actual heart monitoring has proven that the TF in fact coaxes me to work harder than I do without the assist. Much like riding with a strong friend or coach does the same thing. :-)
I typically see my average total ride speeds increased by about 4 MPH on my TF over my old racing bicycle on the same ride. Example: 19 MPH on the TF vs 15 MPH on a regular bike. I mostly use the TF to assist climbing hills. I'd say it's to help prevent heart attacks but my actual heart monitoring has proven that the TF in fact coaxes me to work harder than I do without the assist. Much like riding with a strong friend or coach does the same thing. :-)
Best,
Joe (mobile)
Ambrose Liao
Aug 8, 2011, 9:31:07 AM8/8/11
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Thanks Dmitri,
It's still very good that you are getting 33mph top speeds. That's a very fast bike for no assist. Your battery seems very sound from your experience at the beach.
Keep us up to date on your experiences. This is all good information on e+ bikes.
Ambrose
deerfencer1
Aug 8, 2011, 4:06:45 PM8/8/11
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Thanks for the reports, and I'm glad you figured out you weren't
superman <g>. D's numbers are right in line with what I see on my
S750X with higher-powered lipolys on fast flats, so very impressive
top speeds indeed over flattish terrain.
Downhills are a completely different story as far as how much e-assist
helps. The fastest speed I've consistently seen on my SX is in the 52
mph range, and that's for just a few split seconds at the bottom of a
monster hill near me. Otherwise 40+ mph is very doable for longer
stretches on less dramatic downhills where I ride my aerobars as much
as possible if there's no traffic. But remember, it's primarily
gravity and momentum that's responsible for these kinds of top speeds,
not e-power. Tour de France riders routinely see the same kinds of
speed on their featherweight road bikes in the mountains.
Next I'd like to see some honest and specific range/efficiency
numbers, meaning miles per charge over varying terrains and e-assist
levels.
LH
On Aug 8, 9:31 am, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Dmitri,
>
> It's still very good that you are getting 33mph top speeds. That's a very
> fast bike for no assist. Your battery seems very sound from your experience
> at the beach.
>
> Keep us up to date on your experiences. This is all good information on e+
> bikes.
>
> Ambrose
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Dmitri Ivashchenko <
>
> ...
>
> read more »
superman <g>. D's numbers are right in line with what I see on my
S750X with higher-powered lipolys on fast flats, so very impressive
top speeds indeed over flattish terrain.
Downhills are a completely different story as far as how much e-assist
helps. The fastest speed I've consistently seen on my SX is in the 52
mph range, and that's for just a few split seconds at the bottom of a
monster hill near me. Otherwise 40+ mph is very doable for longer
stretches on less dramatic downhills where I ride my aerobars as much
as possible if there's no traffic. But remember, it's primarily
gravity and momentum that's responsible for these kinds of top speeds,
not e-power. Tour de France riders routinely see the same kinds of
speed on their featherweight road bikes in the mountains.
Next I'd like to see some honest and specific range/efficiency
numbers, meaning miles per charge over varying terrains and e-assist
levels.
LH
On Aug 8, 9:31 am, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Dmitri,
>
> It's still very good that you are getting 33mph top speeds. That's a very
> fast bike for no assist. Your battery seems very sound from your experience
> at the beach.
>
> Keep us up to date on your experiences. This is all good information on e+
> bikes.
>
> Ambrose
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Dmitri Ivashchenko <
>
>
> read more »
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 8, 2011, 4:03:46 PM8/8/11
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Hey.
yeah, pretty pleased with battery performance -- I think that a brand
new battery would extend the range about 4-5 miles on what I'm
currently getting. However, the ranges themselves vary SOOO much
depending on just how much I choose to help the motor. For example, if
I pedal even lightly the entire time or 90% light pedalling over 3.5
miles to my local store, I can pretty much use less than 10% of
battery (regen does not kick in) and meter does not go down.
If I choose to do a couple stretches of just battery over those 3
miles, I could end up getting home with about 65-70% of battery life
left. I am finding settings that are keeping the longevity up though,
like using setting 4-5 for battery assistance instead of 7-9. I am
trying to not push the bike past 7 power, becuase you dont really need
level's 8-9 unless you're showing the bike off or going on a final
speedy stretch to home. On flat, I sometimes kick it down to power 1
and just let it assist in a very minor way to keep my speed up.
One final note, when I was at the E+ store, had a long discussion on
the lithium front wheel. E+ has a prototype, but I guess with battery
regulations, testing and lithium, one of the owners said it would come
out to be about a 500K investment to get the machinery needed to
produce the battery. He would still need a US lithium provider on top
of that. As he put it, "that's a lot of batteries to sell". He would
not sell me the prototype :( haha. Furthermore, cost per wheel would
be about $1500 for the end user, which is not cheap, and he would need
to produce at least 15 to send to the US testing labs to certify the
batteries for production. It's a sizeable investment to be sure.
Out of interest, how many people on this board who own E+ or who like E
+ but are waiting for Lithium would actually purchase that battery? I
probably would, but with that price point, it probably would take me a
few months to save up.
Either way, unless we can drum up a large amount of demand, keep
sending them e-mails and signing up local petitions, I can't foresee
it happening anytime soon.
> ...
>
> read more »
yeah, pretty pleased with battery performance -- I think that a brand
new battery would extend the range about 4-5 miles on what I'm
currently getting. However, the ranges themselves vary SOOO much
depending on just how much I choose to help the motor. For example, if
I pedal even lightly the entire time or 90% light pedalling over 3.5
miles to my local store, I can pretty much use less than 10% of
battery (regen does not kick in) and meter does not go down.
If I choose to do a couple stretches of just battery over those 3
miles, I could end up getting home with about 65-70% of battery life
left. I am finding settings that are keeping the longevity up though,
like using setting 4-5 for battery assistance instead of 7-9. I am
trying to not push the bike past 7 power, becuase you dont really need
level's 8-9 unless you're showing the bike off or going on a final
speedy stretch to home. On flat, I sometimes kick it down to power 1
and just let it assist in a very minor way to keep my speed up.
One final note, when I was at the E+ store, had a long discussion on
the lithium front wheel. E+ has a prototype, but I guess with battery
regulations, testing and lithium, one of the owners said it would come
out to be about a 500K investment to get the machinery needed to
produce the battery. He would still need a US lithium provider on top
of that. As he put it, "that's a lot of batteries to sell". He would
not sell me the prototype :( haha. Furthermore, cost per wheel would
be about $1500 for the end user, which is not cheap, and he would need
to produce at least 15 to send to the US testing labs to certify the
batteries for production. It's a sizeable investment to be sure.
Out of interest, how many people on this board who own E+ or who like E
+ but are waiting for Lithium would actually purchase that battery? I
probably would, but with that price point, it probably would take me a
few months to save up.
Either way, unless we can drum up a large amount of demand, keep
sending them e-mails and signing up local petitions, I can't foresee
it happening anytime soon.
>
> read more »
Ambrose Liao
Aug 8, 2011, 4:23:26 PM8/8/11
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I understand the cost of implementing a new battery technology especially when you're seeking U.S. made batteries and the need to get them tested. However, they certainly could have added the universal battery connector many, many months if not years ago. That would have required very little investment in R&D. It would make their bikes much more palpable to those who know how good LiPO batteries are these days once their NiMH cells died. It would also allow a much less expensive range extending 2nd battery for the e+ line.
Ambrose
deerfencer1
Aug 8, 2011, 4:38:17 PM8/8/11
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Suggestion for testing the extreme range parameters of your bike:
1) Find a very hilly course with a lot of extended climbs and use max
assist whenever needed along with brisk pedaling. I'm guessing the
battery will be pooped in about 10 miles.
2) Do a long flattish to rolling ride in which you try to maximize
range but still consistently use e-assist on any uphills. I bet you
can get 25 miles or better in this mode with lots of pedaling.
Sidenote: You can't go by the idiot lights on the E+ to gauge range
very accurately; there're just not that precise and can sometimes be
WAY off. Example: I test rode an E+ 1000 two years ago that was
showing a near full battery on the console meter and had the battery
die on me on the second steep hill less than 2 miles out. Much better
to run the battery from topped off to cutoff for an honest and
accurate appraisal when you're trying to calculate efficiency and
range.
The other way to go is to install an onride volt/amp meter like the
CycleAnalyst that tells you exactly how much juice you've expended
down to the watthour. Not sure if you could add one to an E+ but it'd
be worth asking the engineers there if you're interested. Once you
know the overall capacity of the pack and your average efficiency, you
can deduce your expected range very precisely. Of course you can also
use a simple odometer to guesstimate the same, but it's fun to see how
the efficiency of each ride evolves on the CA: I often start one of my
long weekend rides with a lot of climbing and can see as little as .8
miles per Ah. By the end of the ride, though, efficiency has often
doubled to 1.6 miles/Ah as the terrain evens off and I enjoy some
downhills on the return ride.
LH
On Aug 8, 4:03 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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>
> read more »
1) Find a very hilly course with a lot of extended climbs and use max
assist whenever needed along with brisk pedaling. I'm guessing the
battery will be pooped in about 10 miles.
2) Do a long flattish to rolling ride in which you try to maximize
range but still consistently use e-assist on any uphills. I bet you
can get 25 miles or better in this mode with lots of pedaling.
Sidenote: You can't go by the idiot lights on the E+ to gauge range
very accurately; there're just not that precise and can sometimes be
WAY off. Example: I test rode an E+ 1000 two years ago that was
showing a near full battery on the console meter and had the battery
die on me on the second steep hill less than 2 miles out. Much better
to run the battery from topped off to cutoff for an honest and
accurate appraisal when you're trying to calculate efficiency and
range.
The other way to go is to install an onride volt/amp meter like the
CycleAnalyst that tells you exactly how much juice you've expended
down to the watthour. Not sure if you could add one to an E+ but it'd
be worth asking the engineers there if you're interested. Once you
know the overall capacity of the pack and your average efficiency, you
can deduce your expected range very precisely. Of course you can also
use a simple odometer to guesstimate the same, but it's fun to see how
the efficiency of each ride evolves on the CA: I often start one of my
long weekend rides with a lot of climbing and can see as little as .8
miles per Ah. By the end of the ride, though, efficiency has often
doubled to 1.6 miles/Ah as the terrain evens off and I enjoy some
downhills on the return ride.
LH
On Aug 8, 4:03 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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Bike_on
Aug 8, 2011, 9:11:08 PM8/8/11
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Dmitri-
I live up in Laurel, Maryland. I'd love to have an E+, waiting for
the USB. I recently bought a high end battery for my Optibike AND
hopefullly an E+. They need it!
Your conversation sounds VERY similar to one I had with Jason S. a
year ago. Very expensive to qualify a battery. Is that who you talked
to?
DR
On Aug 8, 4:03 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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I live up in Laurel, Maryland. I'd love to have an E+, waiting for
the USB. I recently bought a high end battery for my Optibike AND
hopefullly an E+. They need it!
Your conversation sounds VERY similar to one I had with Jason S. a
year ago. Very expensive to qualify a battery. Is that who you talked
to?
DR
On Aug 8, 4:03 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 8, 2011, 10:51:26 PM8/8/11
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Hey,
Yup I talked to Jason about it. Also, in regards to the Universal
Connector.....he didn't show it to me, but he did say they had
produced it but his answer as to why it wasn't sold....not enough
demand. I told him that everyone here who owns an E+ would love to
have one, but I believe there worry is that people will connect non-
compatible batteries and then if they damage the motor they will try
to send it in for warranty. I think that they are simply a small
company and can't handle the liability at this point. Maybe I am
incorrect -- someone else should give them a call and ask what the
deal is. I didn't get a very clear understanding..
In regards to the battery meter, I haven't driven it to exhaustion
yet, but I have gotten down to the single blinking bar. The battery
meter on the bike adapts to yoru style of riding. I noticed that after
this weekend where almost everyone drove only on the battery (first
time riding for like 5 people)...the battery meter went down faster
today but then hung out at the first few bars for a longer time. I
think it does adapt to how you are using it, but yes it would be nice
to know exactly. It does have a setting where it shows you charge, or
voltage or something...im not exactly sure. I'll need to read into
it.
> > > > > >>>> voltages, and at what point the battery gets too low and I...
>
> read more »
Yup I talked to Jason about it. Also, in regards to the Universal
Connector.....he didn't show it to me, but he did say they had
produced it but his answer as to why it wasn't sold....not enough
demand. I told him that everyone here who owns an E+ would love to
have one, but I believe there worry is that people will connect non-
compatible batteries and then if they damage the motor they will try
to send it in for warranty. I think that they are simply a small
company and can't handle the liability at this point. Maybe I am
incorrect -- someone else should give them a call and ask what the
deal is. I didn't get a very clear understanding..
In regards to the battery meter, I haven't driven it to exhaustion
yet, but I have gotten down to the single blinking bar. The battery
meter on the bike adapts to yoru style of riding. I noticed that after
this weekend where almost everyone drove only on the battery (first
time riding for like 5 people)...the battery meter went down faster
today but then hung out at the first few bars for a longer time. I
think it does adapt to how you are using it, but yes it would be nice
to know exactly. It does have a setting where it shows you charge, or
voltage or something...im not exactly sure. I'll need to read into
it.
>
> read more »
OptOut
Aug 9, 2011, 7:58:30 AM8/9/11
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I bet it already happened. We can only speculate but it makes me wonder if Bill Von's issues (he connected a LiPo pack in parallel with the hub) were a result of electronics that are more sensitive to over voltage issues than the TF.
Best,
Joe (mobile)
deerfencer1
Aug 9, 2011, 4:42:48 PM8/9/11
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Agree with Joe that E+ is afraid of opening a whole new can of worms
by allowing their customers to add their own batteries. This hasn't
been an issue with my Tidalforce, but the E+, according to one of the
chief original engineers, Rakesh, was built on "a completely different
platform" than the TF, and the console in particular seems to be a
weak spot.
OTOH one thing the two bikes DO have very much in common is a history
of technical troubles with their own factory aux packs. Years ago I
spoke to a TF dealer in CA who told me every single Wavecrest B pack
he sold had to be returned because they simply weren't working
properly. And we've heard similar tales of woe from E+ owners about
their B packs causing console malfunctions (and even meltdowns in one
case that was reported by m4).
Perhaps you guys who are in close touch with EMS can ask them exactly
what the problems have been and if they've been resolved. I find it
very odd/suspicious that EMS yanked the B packs from their website
without explanation and yet now they're telling customers they can
build/cob them an aux pack by dismantling an extra A hub--WTF is that
all about?!
The whole scenario doesn't inspire confidence and makes me feel
they're running the business by the seat of their pants right now. I
understand the lithium hub is a non-starter because of the costs
involved but a solid and reliable NIMH B pack should have been
available from day one IMO.
I also can't help but wonder how much engineering depth is left in the
company right now after their extensive layoffs. Wasn't there a news
story about a year ago about one of E+'s customers buying a large
stake in the company? If said gentleman is not an engineer and yet has
controlling interest in the company, who knows how many engineers are
even left. Maybe Joe has some answers here since he recently spoke
with a CT dealer who visited the EMS "factory" a short time ago.
LH
On Aug 9, 7:58 am, OptOut <optib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I bet it already happened. We can only speculate but it makes me wonder if Bill Von's issues (he connected a LiPo pack in parallel with the hub) were a result of electronics that are more sensitive to over voltage issues than the TF.
>
> Best,
> Joe (mobile)
>
> ...
>
> read more »
by allowing their customers to add their own batteries. This hasn't
been an issue with my Tidalforce, but the E+, according to one of the
chief original engineers, Rakesh, was built on "a completely different
platform" than the TF, and the console in particular seems to be a
weak spot.
OTOH one thing the two bikes DO have very much in common is a history
of technical troubles with their own factory aux packs. Years ago I
spoke to a TF dealer in CA who told me every single Wavecrest B pack
he sold had to be returned because they simply weren't working
properly. And we've heard similar tales of woe from E+ owners about
their B packs causing console malfunctions (and even meltdowns in one
case that was reported by m4).
Perhaps you guys who are in close touch with EMS can ask them exactly
what the problems have been and if they've been resolved. I find it
very odd/suspicious that EMS yanked the B packs from their website
without explanation and yet now they're telling customers they can
build/cob them an aux pack by dismantling an extra A hub--WTF is that
all about?!
The whole scenario doesn't inspire confidence and makes me feel
they're running the business by the seat of their pants right now. I
understand the lithium hub is a non-starter because of the costs
involved but a solid and reliable NIMH B pack should have been
available from day one IMO.
I also can't help but wonder how much engineering depth is left in the
company right now after their extensive layoffs. Wasn't there a news
story about a year ago about one of E+'s customers buying a large
stake in the company? If said gentleman is not an engineer and yet has
controlling interest in the company, who knows how many engineers are
even left. Maybe Joe has some answers here since he recently spoke
with a CT dealer who visited the EMS "factory" a short time ago.
LH
On Aug 9, 7:58 am, OptOut <optib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I bet it already happened. We can only speculate but it makes me wonder if Bill Von's issues (he connected a LiPo pack in parallel with the hub) were a result of electronics that are more sensitive to over voltage issues than the TF.
>
> Best,
> Joe (mobile)
>
>
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Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 10, 2011, 12:00:50 AM8/10/11
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It's my understanding that if you want a LiPo pack, just call E+. When
I was there, they told me I could put in an order from my
understanding. I think the aux-LiPo packs will come back to the
website in short-order.
Everyone who has talked to E+ has gotten the same response in regards
to the LiPo pack still being avilsable, just they haven't received the
next production run yet.
> > >>>>>>> throttle at a very low...
>
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I was there, they told me I could put in an order from my
understanding. I think the aux-LiPo packs will come back to the
website in short-order.
Everyone who has talked to E+ has gotten the same response in regards
to the LiPo pack still being avilsable, just they haven't received the
next production run yet.
>
> read more »
deerfencer1
Aug 10, 2011, 12:08:32 PM8/10/11
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OK, thanks for clarifying. And let us know when they're actually
available.
LH
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available.
LH
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miro13carr
Aug 14, 2011, 11:24:42 AM8/14/11
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reviews of E+ start to show up on other forums
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/759962-my-1000W-E-review
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/759962-my-1000W-E-review
OptOut
Aug 14, 2011, 3:48:08 PM8/14/11
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Isn't that your own review, miro?
Best,
Joe (mobile)
On Aug 14, 2011, at 11:21 AM, miro13carr <miro1...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>
> E+ reviews start to show up on other
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Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 18, 2011, 12:42:59 AM8/18/11
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Haha OptOut. Anyway, in regards to the x2.0, I wanted to update you
all on some ranges. Have done 4 commutes to work, 2 last week and 2 so
far this week and one more Friday. It's a blast, but also quite the
workout as I am blowing by all bikers, but being forced to keep up
with traffic in order to ride the lane.
To give you some idea of the roads I am riding, it is about a 1.5 mile
uphill from my house to Bethesda, followed by about 1.5 miles of flat
ground. After these 3 miles, the rest is about 7.5 miles of downhill
with some uphills. On the way up, it is about 7.5 miles of good steep
uphill. On trip one, riding on power levels 4-5 (easily powerful
enough to keep you moving on flats at about 25mph+, and powerful
enough to make uphills quite easy. On the trip there, I burned about
50% of my battery and then took off one more bar because I cruised on
max power for the last 2 miles without pedalling. The entire trip, I
drove with cars in a lane, and kept up relatively easily (except for
some 40mph parts which were flat and the acceleration of cars wins
that race). On Conn. avenue, I am usually passing a lot of cars due to
traffic and lights and the entire 11 mile trip takes me about 25
minutes. Usually stop at Starbucks so get to work in 30.
On trip 1 on the way back, using the same power settings (4-5) with
some (7-8) to get some better speeds, I burned through most of the
battery. However, I also had a 2 mile stretch of 36-39mph on power 8,
no pedaling (slight downgrade). Then another 1.5 miles back uphill to
my place on power 9. By the time I got home, the battery was blinking.
(FYI There is a very slight difference between 7-9, so I don't usually
go up that high.) In general, had I stayed the course and used mostly
4-5, I would have burned a good 20% less.
On the next commutes, due to more efficient pedalling and routing in
between cars and avoiding some red lights, and more confidence in the
route, I had very little battery usage on the way there. Had I not
kept up such high speeds, I would arrive with more then 75% of charge
remaining. I got there with about 60%. On the ride back today, I
averaged 26mph on mostly uphill roads (with the large uphill from
Dupont to Bethesda), and arrived back with about 30% battery
remaining. The range therefore is improving as I am learning how to
maximize the ride as well as pedalling more.
Someone previously compared the 1000W bike to a trainer who keeps
pushing you. I think this is a great comparison, as I have been really
working out on the commute, and I know that without the power assist
when you need it, I would not be pushing myself to keep up the fast
speeds the entire time.
On roads around Rockville that are more flat, I have done 17.5 miles
with battery remaining with a large amount of power assist. It seems
that the hilly commute definitely wears down the battery, but I am
still happy that it brings me to work and back at such a high speed. I
was worried that I would be arriving with the battery completely worn
down, but I am very happy with the ranges and it seems like the
battery is improving with every ride. I am arriving at the office at
least 15 minutes faster than when I drive, and I'm not wasting a drop
of gas on the car. It's a win-win.
On Aug 14, 3:48 pm, OptOut <optib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Isn't that your own review, miro?
>
> Best,
> Joe (mobile)
>
all on some ranges. Have done 4 commutes to work, 2 last week and 2 so
far this week and one more Friday. It's a blast, but also quite the
workout as I am blowing by all bikers, but being forced to keep up
with traffic in order to ride the lane.
To give you some idea of the roads I am riding, it is about a 1.5 mile
uphill from my house to Bethesda, followed by about 1.5 miles of flat
ground. After these 3 miles, the rest is about 7.5 miles of downhill
with some uphills. On the way up, it is about 7.5 miles of good steep
uphill. On trip one, riding on power levels 4-5 (easily powerful
enough to keep you moving on flats at about 25mph+, and powerful
enough to make uphills quite easy. On the trip there, I burned about
50% of my battery and then took off one more bar because I cruised on
max power for the last 2 miles without pedalling. The entire trip, I
drove with cars in a lane, and kept up relatively easily (except for
some 40mph parts which were flat and the acceleration of cars wins
that race). On Conn. avenue, I am usually passing a lot of cars due to
traffic and lights and the entire 11 mile trip takes me about 25
minutes. Usually stop at Starbucks so get to work in 30.
On trip 1 on the way back, using the same power settings (4-5) with
some (7-8) to get some better speeds, I burned through most of the
battery. However, I also had a 2 mile stretch of 36-39mph on power 8,
no pedaling (slight downgrade). Then another 1.5 miles back uphill to
my place on power 9. By the time I got home, the battery was blinking.
(FYI There is a very slight difference between 7-9, so I don't usually
go up that high.) In general, had I stayed the course and used mostly
4-5, I would have burned a good 20% less.
On the next commutes, due to more efficient pedalling and routing in
between cars and avoiding some red lights, and more confidence in the
route, I had very little battery usage on the way there. Had I not
kept up such high speeds, I would arrive with more then 75% of charge
remaining. I got there with about 60%. On the ride back today, I
averaged 26mph on mostly uphill roads (with the large uphill from
Dupont to Bethesda), and arrived back with about 30% battery
remaining. The range therefore is improving as I am learning how to
maximize the ride as well as pedalling more.
Someone previously compared the 1000W bike to a trainer who keeps
pushing you. I think this is a great comparison, as I have been really
working out on the commute, and I know that without the power assist
when you need it, I would not be pushing myself to keep up the fast
speeds the entire time.
On roads around Rockville that are more flat, I have done 17.5 miles
with battery remaining with a large amount of power assist. It seems
that the hilly commute definitely wears down the battery, but I am
still happy that it brings me to work and back at such a high speed. I
was worried that I would be arriving with the battery completely worn
down, but I am very happy with the ranges and it seems like the
battery is improving with every ride. I am arriving at the office at
least 15 minutes faster than when I drive, and I'm not wasting a drop
of gas on the car. It's a win-win.
On Aug 14, 3:48 pm, OptOut <optib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Isn't that your own review, miro?
>
> Best,
> Joe (mobile)
>
Ambrose Liao
Aug 18, 2011, 10:25:39 AM8/18/11
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That sounds great Dmitri. You're getting great exercise and reducing your commuting time and $.
I loved riding into work in downtown DC when I worked there. The ride down Connecticut Avenue into town is lovely and mostly downhill. I could really race home and get some good exercise as well. I really miss that now that I'm driving to work each day in my current job.
Ambrose
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 18, 2011, 12:30:02 PM8/18/11
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On a seperate note to Miro13, with the seemingly large amount of time
you spend on bike forums, I see your profile on almost every site, I
wanted to comment on your nagging opinions on E+, their service, the
M-750 x2 or any other bike you decided to review even though you may
not own it. I don't think you should be making "assumptions and
reviews" of bikes that you have never ridden or owned. I saw your
comments from about a year or two ago regarding the M-750 x2 on
another site, and you discuss the limitations of the battery, the
cycles, the range, the power etc etc. In my experience, a lot of what
you wrote is incorrect and misleading. I think maybe you should stick
to reviews of the equipment you own, instead of reviewing bikes that
you don't.
This is also in regards to other bikes that you have reviewed or
discussed not just the M-750. Don't mean to start a flamer thread
here, but I also hate when people review things they have never tried
or used. Your experience is owning a faulty E+ system, which I hear
now works better. Im glad it got fixed. I realize your system may not
be as smooth as TF, however my system happens to ride like butter and
I have had almost no vibrations since adjusting the brake pads...I
almost never agree with the things you write in your review. I also
think its ridiculous how you go on-and-on about warranty payments and
repairs and shipping. Sure, it cost you some money. If you live in
Canada and that's policy, then you pay shipping. It may not be good
policy, but it is what it is. A friend of mine owns a GRACE bike in
Spain, and had to pay shipping for a replacement cable from Germany on
a under-warranty bike. That bike also cost about 4x the amount of the E
+ system that you bought. But C'est la vie.
I wouldn't say anything if this wasn't the 3rd or 4th time I've come
across a review from you regarding the M-750 x2 with the following:
"New M750 is no new enough.
Problem is that it still have NMH battery, 30 cells in series!!
No much improvement comparing with old TForce bikes.
On my 2005 TF battery lasted just less than 3 summers.
Service LEVT offered 650 dollars rebuild of pack.
Tha's just doesn't make sense.
you can connect the best BMS still 30 cells in series, just 1.2V
doesn't cut it anymore.
NMH was good what 10 years ago when they designed original TForce,
but now ??? with all that choices?
Now EMS /new manufacturer of new TF- E+/ will be offering Lithium as B
battery .
New console is nice with all those choices of regen and assist, but
there are just gadgets to me if my batt can last max 500 cycles.
Sure redisigning for new chemistry would be real task, new BMS which
has to communicate with controller and where to find 10Ah worth of
Lithium to fit into that front hub?
MC
"
I know this review is older, but my point stands. Sorry to offend just
needed to get this out.
you spend on bike forums, I see your profile on almost every site, I
wanted to comment on your nagging opinions on E+, their service, the
M-750 x2 or any other bike you decided to review even though you may
not own it. I don't think you should be making "assumptions and
reviews" of bikes that you have never ridden or owned. I saw your
comments from about a year or two ago regarding the M-750 x2 on
another site, and you discuss the limitations of the battery, the
cycles, the range, the power etc etc. In my experience, a lot of what
you wrote is incorrect and misleading. I think maybe you should stick
to reviews of the equipment you own, instead of reviewing bikes that
you don't.
This is also in regards to other bikes that you have reviewed or
discussed not just the M-750. Don't mean to start a flamer thread
here, but I also hate when people review things they have never tried
or used. Your experience is owning a faulty E+ system, which I hear
now works better. Im glad it got fixed. I realize your system may not
be as smooth as TF, however my system happens to ride like butter and
I have had almost no vibrations since adjusting the brake pads...I
almost never agree with the things you write in your review. I also
think its ridiculous how you go on-and-on about warranty payments and
repairs and shipping. Sure, it cost you some money. If you live in
Canada and that's policy, then you pay shipping. It may not be good
policy, but it is what it is. A friend of mine owns a GRACE bike in
Spain, and had to pay shipping for a replacement cable from Germany on
a under-warranty bike. That bike also cost about 4x the amount of the E
+ system that you bought. But C'est la vie.
I wouldn't say anything if this wasn't the 3rd or 4th time I've come
across a review from you regarding the M-750 x2 with the following:
"New M750 is no new enough.
Problem is that it still have NMH battery, 30 cells in series!!
No much improvement comparing with old TForce bikes.
On my 2005 TF battery lasted just less than 3 summers.
Service LEVT offered 650 dollars rebuild of pack.
Tha's just doesn't make sense.
you can connect the best BMS still 30 cells in series, just 1.2V
doesn't cut it anymore.
NMH was good what 10 years ago when they designed original TForce,
but now ??? with all that choices?
Now EMS /new manufacturer of new TF- E+/ will be offering Lithium as B
battery .
New console is nice with all those choices of regen and assist, but
there are just gadgets to me if my batt can last max 500 cycles.
Sure redisigning for new chemistry would be real task, new BMS which
has to communicate with controller and where to find 10Ah worth of
Lithium to fit into that front hub?
MC
"
I know this review is older, but my point stands. Sorry to offend just
needed to get this out.
OptOut
Aug 18, 2011, 12:55:47 PM8/18/11
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Dmitri,
Miro was warned recently about being a troll here (many of his posts begged to start a flame war) and he has been mostly behaving himself since. We do not tolerate trolls here. Miro has been a group member going way back so I granted him a little rope and so far he hasn't hung himself.
But I agree his contributions do nothing to improve the signal to noise ratio of great information that people like yourself provides here.
Miro was warned recently about being a troll here (many of his posts begged to start a flame war) and he has been mostly behaving himself since. We do not tolerate trolls here. Miro has been a group member going way back so I granted him a little rope and so far he hasn't hung himself.
But I agree his contributions do nothing to improve the signal to noise ratio of great information that people like yourself provides here.
Thanks,
Joe (mobile)
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 18, 2011, 1:40:52 PM8/18/11
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Hey Joe,
glad to know I'm not crazy in this regard.
Always happy to contribute and enjoy reading this forum immensely. All
the best,
D
On Aug 18, 12:55 pm, OptOut <optib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dmitri,
> Miro was warned recently about being a troll here (many of his posts begged to start a flame war) and he has been mostly behaving himself since. We do not tolerate trolls here. Miro has been a group member going way back so I granted him a little rope and so far he hasn't hung himself.
> But I agree his contributions do nothing to improve the signal to noise ratio of great information that people like yourself provides here.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe (mobile)
>
glad to know I'm not crazy in this regard.
Always happy to contribute and enjoy reading this forum immensely. All
the best,
D
On Aug 18, 12:55 pm, OptOut <optib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dmitri,
> Miro was warned recently about being a troll here (many of his posts begged to start a flame war) and he has been mostly behaving himself since. We do not tolerate trolls here. Miro has been a group member going way back so I granted him a little rope and so far he hasn't hung himself.
> But I agree his contributions do nothing to improve the signal to noise ratio of great information that people like yourself provides here.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe (mobile)
>
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 21, 2011, 10:35:36 PM8/21/11
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This weekend did a ride into Bethesda and back - trip there 3.3 miles
(all mileage from Google maps to be accurate)..and 1 mile total in
bethesda doing some shopping then 5.1 miles home on a longer route.
Mostly very high setting 8-9, with some 7 in between. On the 5 mile
stretch back home, pedalled very little because i had a lot of food
and other stuff in bags with me. Mostly rode the bike on full power
(avg speed 28mph) on the road back and stopped by the store. When I
got home, the battery had been blinking for the last 1.5 miles.
So, all in all, a hilly commute the way there, mostly flat on way
back, high-powered and speedy biking with very little pedalling - 10
miles. Not very efficient in terms of range, but I was glad that the
bike powered me home with little assistance. I am still impressed that
the power output does not vary even when battery is very low. Like
someone else pointed out, I do not like the battery metering system
from E+. It seems to hang onto the first and last bar very long, while
the midbars disappear quickly, leaving you to wonder towards the end
if you'll make it. So far no issues, but I will need to wear it down
to the first Low Voltage warning. Still hasn't appeared yet.
On Aug 18, 1:40 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
(all mileage from Google maps to be accurate)..and 1 mile total in
bethesda doing some shopping then 5.1 miles home on a longer route.
Mostly very high setting 8-9, with some 7 in between. On the 5 mile
stretch back home, pedalled very little because i had a lot of food
and other stuff in bags with me. Mostly rode the bike on full power
(avg speed 28mph) on the road back and stopped by the store. When I
got home, the battery had been blinking for the last 1.5 miles.
So, all in all, a hilly commute the way there, mostly flat on way
back, high-powered and speedy biking with very little pedalling - 10
miles. Not very efficient in terms of range, but I was glad that the
bike powered me home with little assistance. I am still impressed that
the power output does not vary even when battery is very low. Like
someone else pointed out, I do not like the battery metering system
from E+. It seems to hang onto the first and last bar very long, while
the midbars disappear quickly, leaving you to wonder towards the end
if you'll make it. So far no issues, but I will need to wear it down
to the first Low Voltage warning. Still hasn't appeared yet.
On Aug 18, 1:40 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 27, 2011, 3:31:16 AM8/27/11
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Took the bike on a quick mountainbike trip today. 3 miles, short trail
around where I live. The powerboost is great on hills, and I was able
to climb the steepest one with a good mix of power and pedalling.
Still learning how to balance the weight around, the problem not being
the weight of the bike, but rather the tires are heavy which means on
roots and rocks during mountainbiking, there is always a danger of
slipping, more so than on a regular mountain bike. At least until I
get the hang of it.
Anyway, good luck with the hurricane.
On Aug 21, 10:35 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>> E+ reviews start to show up on other...
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around where I live. The powerboost is great on hills, and I was able
to climb the steepest one with a good mix of power and pedalling.
Still learning how to balance the weight around, the problem not being
the weight of the bike, but rather the tires are heavy which means on
roots and rocks during mountainbiking, there is always a danger of
slipping, more so than on a regular mountain bike. At least until I
get the hang of it.
Anyway, good luck with the hurricane.
On Aug 21, 10:35 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
>
> read more »
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 30, 2011, 1:44:10 PM8/30/11
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So how can I accurately measure battery charge on an E+ bike? Any
ideas?
On Aug 27, 3:31 am, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > > >>> On roads around Rockville that are more flat,...
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ideas?
On Aug 27, 3:31 am, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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Ambrose Liao
Aug 30, 2011, 2:43:21 PM8/30/11
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How does the E+ connect from the front hub battery to the rear controller? If it's like my TF iO, there's a power connector near the rear motor that allows for easier disconnects from the bike. You can probably insert (in-line) a Cycle Analyst from www.ebikes.ca. You may need to swap out the connectors that come on the CA to the ones your bike.
I just did that with my iO. It's incredibly easy and took maybe 5 minutes because the TF iO has Anderson Powerpole connectors between the battery and motor. The Cycle Analyst SA model comes with Anderson Powerpoles.
This shows you your current voltage of your pack and allows you to check how much power you've drained from your battery. With the speedo attached, the display shows instantaneous watts, speed, AH used, and voltage. It also allows you to check the efficiency of your ride (how many WH/mile) plus a whole lot more! All-in-all, it's the single most useful accessory you can buy for your ebike.
Ambrose
OptOut
Aug 30, 2011, 3:16:26 PM8/30/11
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Agree with Ambrose's post and add that connecting it at the front hub power connection would also work the same.
Nice blog Ambrose!
Best,
Joe (mobile)
Ambrose Liao
Aug 30, 2011, 3:20:35 PM8/30/11
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Thanks Joe!
I wonder what type of power connectors are on the E+ M-750X?
Ambrose
OptOut
Aug 30, 2011, 3:31:07 PM8/30/11
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They weren't the same as our Andersons. I saw the E+ last year when I test rode it. It was water proof.
Best,
Joe (mobile)
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 30, 2011, 3:43:04 PM8/30/11
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Ok, so this will not affect the E+ computer which is attached to front
bttery? Just that E+ will not turn on without it, so I was wondering
if that will affect it.
On Aug 30, 3:16 pm, OptOut <optib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Agree with Ambrose's post and add that connecting it at the front hub power connection would also work the same.
> Nice blog Ambrose!
>
> Best,
> Joe (mobile)
>
> On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
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>
>
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> > How does the E+ connect from the front hub battery to the rear controller? If it's like my TF iO, there's a power connector near the rear motor that allows for easier disconnects from the bike. You can probably insert (in-line) a Cycle Analyst fromwww.ebikes.ca. You may need to swap out the connectors that come on the CA to the ones your bike.
> ...
>
> read more »
bttery? Just that E+ will not turn on without it, so I was wondering
if that will affect it.
On Aug 30, 3:16 pm, OptOut <optib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Agree with Ambrose's post and add that connecting it at the front hub power connection would also work the same.
> Nice blog Ambrose!
>
> Best,
> Joe (mobile)
>
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>
>
>
> > How does the E+ connect from the front hub battery to the rear controller? If it's like my TF iO, there's a power connector near the rear motor that allows for easier disconnects from the bike. You can probably insert (in-line) a Cycle Analyst fromwww.ebikes.ca. You may need to swap out the connectors that come on the CA to the ones your bike.
>
> > I just did that with my iO. It's incredibly easy and took maybe 5 minutes because the TF iO has Anderson Powerpole connectors between the battery and motor. The Cycle Analyst SA model comes with Anderson Powerpoles.
>
> >http://ebikerider.blogspot.com/2011/08/connecting-cycle-analyst-sa-to...
> > I just did that with my iO. It's incredibly easy and took maybe 5 minutes because the TF iO has Anderson Powerpole connectors between the battery and motor. The Cycle Analyst SA model comes with Anderson Powerpoles.
>
>
> > This shows you your current voltage of your pack and allows you to check how much power you've drained from your battery. With the speedo attached, the display shows instantaneous watts, speed, AH used, and voltage. It also allows you to check the efficiency of your ride (how many WH/mile) plus a whole lot more! All-in-all, it's the single most useful accessory you can buy for your ebike.
>
> > Ambrose
>
> > This shows you your current voltage of your pack and allows you to check how much power you've drained from your battery. With the speedo attached, the display shows instantaneous watts, speed, AH used, and voltage. It also allows you to check the efficiency of your ride (how many WH/mile) plus a whole lot more! All-in-all, it's the single most useful accessory you can buy for your ebike.
>
> > Ambrose
>
>
> read more »
Ambrose Liao
Aug 30, 2011, 4:27:08 PM8/30/11
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If you can connect the Cycle Analyst in-line with the power line from the battery to the controller, it will have no effect on the E+ dashboard computer.
Ambrose
OptOut
Aug 30, 2011, 4:50:54 PM8/30/11
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Dmitri,
Is power and data combined in 1 cable on E+? or is data from battery hub in it's own cable like TF?
Is power and data combined in 1 cable on E+? or is data from battery hub in it's own cable like TF?
Best,
Joe (mobile)
Ambrose Liao
Aug 30, 2011, 4:58:49 PM8/30/11
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Looking at this picture, it looks like it has 3 cables leading down to the battery hub...
Ambrose
OptOut
Aug 30, 2011, 5:30:03 PM8/30/11
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I think they go into a single connector, but not sure. I only got a good look at the end on the charger and I think it was a unified jack with data and power combined. But it was a long time ago and I could be wrong.
Best,
Joe (mobile)
Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 31, 2011, 3:46:13 PM8/31/11
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No there are two I believe -- I look at it every day, but will check
tonight. There is one cable leading into the battery which you can
unplug from bike and plug to charger, and then another cable going
from battery to E+ computer which if it isn't plugged in, the bike
doesn't work. I haven't checked the connections to the motor.
On Aug 30, 5:30 pm, OptOut <optib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think they go into a single connector, but not sure. I only got a good look at the end on the charger and I think it was a unified jack with data and power combined. But it was a long time ago and I could be wrong.
>
> Best,
> Joe (mobile)
>
>
> > Ambrose
> ...
>
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tonight. There is one cable leading into the battery which you can
unplug from bike and plug to charger, and then another cable going
from battery to E+ computer which if it isn't plugged in, the bike
doesn't work. I haven't checked the connections to the motor.
On Aug 30, 5:30 pm, OptOut <optib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think they go into a single connector, but not sure. I only got a good look at the end on the charger and I think it was a unified jack with data and power combined. But it was a long time ago and I could be wrong.
>
> Best,
> Joe (mobile)
>
> On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> > Looking at this picture, it looks like it has 3 cables leading down to the battery hub...
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> >http://epluselectricbike.com/buy-bikes-online/images/tidalforce_elect...
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> > Looking at this picture, it looks like it has 3 cables leading down to the battery hub...
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> > Ambrose
>
> > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 4:50 PM, OptOut <optib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dmitri,
> > Is power and data combined in 1 cable on E+? or is data from battery hub in it's own cable like TF?
>
> > Best,
> > Joe (mobile)
>
> > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 4:50 PM, OptOut <optib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dmitri,
> > Is power and data combined in 1 cable on E+? or is data from battery hub in it's own cable like TF?
>
> > Best,
> > Joe (mobile)
>
>
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Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 31, 2011, 3:49:38 PM8/31/11
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Who here has purchased an E+ Aux lithium pack? It is my understanding
they are taking pre-orders, and I'm thinking of purchasing.
Any downsides to this idea? Anybody say NAY!! ? Haha, let me know what
you guys think.
On Aug 31, 3:46 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Aug 18, 10:25 am, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:...
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they are taking pre-orders, and I'm thinking of purchasing.
Any downsides to this idea? Anybody say NAY!! ? Haha, let me know what
you guys think.
On Aug 31, 3:46 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
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Dmitri Ivashchenko
Aug 31, 2011, 3:55:34 PM8/31/11
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Just talked to E+, the reason AUX packs are not on site yet, is that
they are looking into a new "cell supplier" for their lithium packs -
that means the new AUX packs when they are available could be an
improved version -- or does this not matter? They did tell me they
weren't 100% pleased with previous supplier quality.
On Aug 31, 3:46 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Aug 18, 10:25 am, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:...
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they are looking into a new "cell supplier" for their lithium packs -
that means the new AUX packs when they are available could be an
improved version -- or does this not matter? They did tell me they
weren't 100% pleased with previous supplier quality.
On Aug 31, 3:46 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
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Then you should be able to use Ambrose's advice although you'll need a custom connector since E+ has a different plug (not Anderson.)
Best,
Joe (mobile)
deerfencer1
Aug 31, 2011, 6:55:35 PM8/31/11
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Rumor had it they were sourcing their lipos from Battery Space but I
don't know if we ever confirmed that. If it is true I'm not at all
surprised they were disappointed in the quality as BSpace has a very
spotty reputation. I've had several of their NIMH packs in the
pastthat were very poor and short-lived, and will never do business
with them again.
LH
On Aug 31, 3:55 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Now EMS /new manufacturer of new TF- E+/ will be offering Lithium...
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don't know if we ever confirmed that. If it is true I'm not at all
surprised they were disappointed in the quality as BSpace has a very
spotty reputation. I've had several of their NIMH packs in the
pastthat were very poor and short-lived, and will never do business
with them again.
LH
On Aug 31, 3:55 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
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m4
Sep 12, 2011, 6:52:23 PM9/12/11
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I would have to agree with Ambrose. You might have it in Kilometers
per hour.
m4
On Aug 6, 9:39 pm, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dmitri,
>
> Not to doubt your speeds of 47-54 mph, but that seems highly unlikely. Is your speedometer set correctly? I have gone over 40 mph a couple of times and have found it exhilerating, but scary. Going 54mph without pedaling would require enormous power from the motor and would drain your NIMH batteries very quickly.
>
> Ambrose
>
> Sent from my iPad 2
>
> On Aug 5, 2011, at 9:23 PM, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Did 50MPH today. I got up to about 35 with some light pedalling and
> > engine support, then got it up to 50mph stopped pedaling and the motor
> > kept me going at about 47-54mph for about 2.5 Miles!!! Cars we're
> > driving next to me and people were staring at me hahahahahahaha. I
> > can't say enough about how much fun this bike is.
>
> > I would like to point out one thing though which I have noticed. After
> > using the motor for a few miles on very high power setting and going
> > full speed, and then letting the throttle go and pedalling, you
> > sometimes have a magnet slow-down. This doesn't happen all the time,
> > in fact most of the time, there is no real resistance except for the
> > weight of the bike. However, after significant motoring, you may have
> > a temporary slow down. The way I usually get around it is minimize the
> > throttle at a very low setting (1) and throttle a quarter way in, and
> > the effect usually dissapates after a short time. You can also pedal
> > through it. I was told that there may be a small amount of drag from
> > the magnets, and I have read that in other similar built systems, that
> > this is simply an effect that you can't do much about since the
> > magnets stay in permanent positions. It was interesting, because I
> > remember someone else assking about the magnet drag, but it seems like
> > it's not much of an issue at this point, just a slight annoyance when
> > you have to pedal against some resistance.
>
> > On Aug 4, 11:05 am, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Ride two was a nice 8 mile hilly trip to my local REI store. Got
> >> caught in the rain on the way back, but the bike had no issues. Weird
> >> thing happened this morning, had the bike charging all night, checked
> >> the charger and it had a green light, the battery meter on the bike
> >> though was still showing a charge going through (with three bars from
> >> five moving as if they were charging). I turned off the charger, and
> >> then turned it back on. The light switched to the yellow, and then a
> >> few minutes later to the blinking yellow, indicating charging. I then
> >> checked the bike about 10 minutes later and the bars had increased
> >> from 3-4 bars. I had to go to work, but I am hopeful that it will
> >> fully charge this time while I am out.
>
> >> E+ told me this morning that this could happen until I start using the
> >> battery again regularily, as the reading of the computer may not yet
> >> be adjusted to the charge -- and that if this happens again, I should
> >> ride the bike before charging it. I will try and discharge the battery
> >> as much as possible tonight to try and give it a full cycle charge
> >> over night.
>
> >> So far other than this minor issue which I think and hope is
> >> temporary, everything is well.
>
> >> On Aug 3, 7:26 am, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Wow! So it was worth the wait? :)
>
> >>> Let's get together for a ride!
>
> >>> Ambrose
>
> >>> Sent from my iPad 2
>
> >>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:13 AM, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Test Ride 1: M-750 X2.0
>
> >>>> It feels good to write that.
>
> >>>> Let me tell you, as of 3 hours of riding and using a lot of power
> >>>> assist with some solid 33 bike power MPH flat (no pedalling!!) and
> >>>> then a 42Mph cruising downhill, the battery + regen show a solid 75%
> >>>> power remaining. By the way, the mileage is accurate from what I can
> >>>> tell and same with speed. I attached a speedreader from my old bike
> >>>> just to check on accuracy after reading what others have said. I
> >>>> thought the test bike was also inaccurate after googlemapping, but
> >>>> maybe I was wrong because both these readers are saying the same
> >>>> thing.
>
> >>>> As for the actual battery meter, now that they "reset" the battery (by
> >>>> the way $535 bill not too bad for all the work, new tires
> >>>> etc)...battery they told me has 90% of battery life. I tried to wear
> >>>> it down, but it effortlessly took me up hills and down with no
> >>>> problems. I went 4 miles to the grocery store and back, and put in
> >>>> another 4 around the neighborhood. It got late, so I had to come home
> >>>> and get ready for bed. will keep riding tomorrow. The meter adapts to
> >>>> your use and biking and estimates power remaining. I would appreciate
> >>>> if someone could summarize how I should be reading the actual
> >>>> voltages, and at what point the battery gets too low and I should be
> >>>> careful not to damage it. Is that also a problem with NiMH batteries
> >>>> or is discharging sometimes ok? I have been reading a lot of posts
> >>>> about readings etc, but it's gone a little over my head, and I would
> >>>> appreciate a little insight into the readings amps volts etc.
>
> >>>> Anyway, back to the ride, its fast and silent. I felt two tiny
> >>>> vibrations at about 24mph on two seperate occasions, but they were not
> >>>> the kind I had seen on the test bike. I told them about that issue on
> >>>> the testbike, and after adjustment, the problem was resolved. It
> >>>> seemed to simply be a matter of tightening some parts as the bike had
> >>>> just been built up. As for my ride, it flies along the rode silently,
> >>>> it's simple incredible. 5 people from my building watched me cruise by
> >>>> and were amazed at the speed and acceleration. I also took my dog for
> >>>> a run to the local park and it was nice to not get stuck on the hills
> >>>> with the leash pulling etc. The bike is very agile for the weight, its
> >>>> incredibly balanced.
>
> >>>> All I can say at the moment is WOW! I have no complaints, but will
> >>>> give more details soon. Just wanted to throw out my first thoughts.
>
> >>>> On Jul 29, 3:13 pm, deerfencer1 <deerfenc...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Dmitri,
>
> >>>>> Considering what you paid for the bike, even if you have to spring for
> >>>>> a new battery you're still sitting pretty IMO. And I like the fact
> >>>>> that EMS is going through the whole bike to be sure it's up to snuff.
>
> >>>>> Here's hoping you get your ride back early next week to put it through
> >>>>> the paces!
>
> >>>>> Larry
>
> >>>>> On Jul 28, 8:34 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Hey,
>
> >>>>>> got a call today that I will have to wait until Monday. I am of course
> >>>>>> peeved, since I would have loved to have it over the weekend -- but
> >>>>>> they said that they think there may be an issue with the battery
> >>>>>> station they are using to "refurbish" the battery pack. I don't know
> >>>>>> if that's the situation, or whether my battery is messed up (in which
> >>>>>> case $675 for a new one OUCH)...either way, they said they will let me
> >>>>>> know over the weekend or Monday.
>
> >>>>>> I'm hoping that things will resolve in a non-expensive manner.
>
> >>>>>> At the moment, got 2 new tires ($40/ per tire), brake pads ($20
> >>>>>> total), and 2 hours general service (75/hr) for service. Then $325? or
> >>>>>> $275 for the battery servicing. I hope that the battery will function,
> >>>>>> otherwise they informed me I have to drop $675 for a new battery -- I
> >>>>>> think that if that is the case though, I will be able to get some sort
> >>>>>> of discount.
>
> >>>>>> At the moment, I'm looking around $500 or so -- that's more or less
> >>>>>> what I calculated in when I got the bike though. I'll let you know
> >>>>>> when I get the final bill.
>
> >>>>>> On Jul 28, 3:30 pm, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Ivan,
>
> >>>>>>> Any word on your bike? Will it be ready tomorrow? How much was all that work
> >>>>>>> they did for you???
>
> >>>>>>> Ambrose
>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Dmitri Ivashchenko <
>
> >>>>>>> dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Sorry Miro,
>
> >>>>>>>> I don't know if you do know Russian, but what you are writing above
> >>>>>>>> makes little sense. Mixing Russian and English -- just stick to the
> >>>>>>>> English would be my advice.
>
> >>>>>>>> No offense btw, just saying hard to understand.
>
> >>>>>>>> D
>
> >>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 7:36 pm, miro13carr <miro13c...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Previet!
> >>>>>>>>> I pokupil E+ 1000W kit i mial problem ,motor sie dziorgal , jak masz
> >>>>>>>>> nie daleko do servisu blisko do Dallas to kupuj E+.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
per hour.
m4
On Aug 6, 9:39 pm, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dmitri,
>
> Not to doubt your speeds of 47-54 mph, but that seems highly unlikely. Is your speedometer set correctly? I have gone over 40 mph a couple of times and have found it exhilerating, but scary. Going 54mph without pedaling would require enormous power from the motor and would drain your NIMH batteries very quickly.
>
> Ambrose
>
> Sent from my iPad 2
>
> On Aug 5, 2011, at 9:23 PM, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Did 50MPH today. I got up to about 35 with some light pedalling and
> > engine support, then got it up to 50mph stopped pedaling and the motor
> > kept me going at about 47-54mph for about 2.5 Miles!!! Cars we're
> > driving next to me and people were staring at me hahahahahahaha. I
> > can't say enough about how much fun this bike is.
>
> > I would like to point out one thing though which I have noticed. After
> > using the motor for a few miles on very high power setting and going
> > full speed, and then letting the throttle go and pedalling, you
> > sometimes have a magnet slow-down. This doesn't happen all the time,
> > in fact most of the time, there is no real resistance except for the
> > weight of the bike. However, after significant motoring, you may have
> > a temporary slow down. The way I usually get around it is minimize the
> > throttle at a very low setting (1) and throttle a quarter way in, and
> > the effect usually dissapates after a short time. You can also pedal
> > through it. I was told that there may be a small amount of drag from
> > the magnets, and I have read that in other similar built systems, that
> > this is simply an effect that you can't do much about since the
> > magnets stay in permanent positions. It was interesting, because I
> > remember someone else assking about the magnet drag, but it seems like
> > it's not much of an issue at this point, just a slight annoyance when
> > you have to pedal against some resistance.
>
> > On Aug 4, 11:05 am, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Ride two was a nice 8 mile hilly trip to my local REI store. Got
> >> caught in the rain on the way back, but the bike had no issues. Weird
> >> thing happened this morning, had the bike charging all night, checked
> >> the charger and it had a green light, the battery meter on the bike
> >> though was still showing a charge going through (with three bars from
> >> five moving as if they were charging). I turned off the charger, and
> >> then turned it back on. The light switched to the yellow, and then a
> >> few minutes later to the blinking yellow, indicating charging. I then
> >> checked the bike about 10 minutes later and the bars had increased
> >> from 3-4 bars. I had to go to work, but I am hopeful that it will
> >> fully charge this time while I am out.
>
> >> E+ told me this morning that this could happen until I start using the
> >> battery again regularily, as the reading of the computer may not yet
> >> be adjusted to the charge -- and that if this happens again, I should
> >> ride the bike before charging it. I will try and discharge the battery
> >> as much as possible tonight to try and give it a full cycle charge
> >> over night.
>
> >> So far other than this minor issue which I think and hope is
> >> temporary, everything is well.
>
> >> On Aug 3, 7:26 am, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Wow! So it was worth the wait? :)
>
> >>> Let's get together for a ride!
>
> >>> Ambrose
>
> >>> Sent from my iPad 2
>
> >>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:13 AM, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Test Ride 1: M-750 X2.0
>
> >>>> It feels good to write that.
>
> >>>> Let me tell you, as of 3 hours of riding and using a lot of power
> >>>> assist with some solid 33 bike power MPH flat (no pedalling!!) and
> >>>> then a 42Mph cruising downhill, the battery + regen show a solid 75%
> >>>> power remaining. By the way, the mileage is accurate from what I can
> >>>> tell and same with speed. I attached a speedreader from my old bike
> >>>> just to check on accuracy after reading what others have said. I
> >>>> thought the test bike was also inaccurate after googlemapping, but
> >>>> maybe I was wrong because both these readers are saying the same
> >>>> thing.
>
> >>>> As for the actual battery meter, now that they "reset" the battery (by
> >>>> the way $535 bill not too bad for all the work, new tires
> >>>> etc)...battery they told me has 90% of battery life. I tried to wear
> >>>> it down, but it effortlessly took me up hills and down with no
> >>>> problems. I went 4 miles to the grocery store and back, and put in
> >>>> another 4 around the neighborhood. It got late, so I had to come home
> >>>> and get ready for bed. will keep riding tomorrow. The meter adapts to
> >>>> your use and biking and estimates power remaining. I would appreciate
> >>>> if someone could summarize how I should be reading the actual
> >>>> voltages, and at what point the battery gets too low and I should be
> >>>> careful not to damage it. Is that also a problem with NiMH batteries
> >>>> or is discharging sometimes ok? I have been reading a lot of posts
> >>>> about readings etc, but it's gone a little over my head, and I would
> >>>> appreciate a little insight into the readings amps volts etc.
>
> >>>> Anyway, back to the ride, its fast and silent. I felt two tiny
> >>>> vibrations at about 24mph on two seperate occasions, but they were not
> >>>> the kind I had seen on the test bike. I told them about that issue on
> >>>> the testbike, and after adjustment, the problem was resolved. It
> >>>> seemed to simply be a matter of tightening some parts as the bike had
> >>>> just been built up. As for my ride, it flies along the rode silently,
> >>>> it's simple incredible. 5 people from my building watched me cruise by
> >>>> and were amazed at the speed and acceleration. I also took my dog for
> >>>> a run to the local park and it was nice to not get stuck on the hills
> >>>> with the leash pulling etc. The bike is very agile for the weight, its
> >>>> incredibly balanced.
>
> >>>> All I can say at the moment is WOW! I have no complaints, but will
> >>>> give more details soon. Just wanted to throw out my first thoughts.
>
> >>>> On Jul 29, 3:13 pm, deerfencer1 <deerfenc...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Dmitri,
>
> >>>>> Considering what you paid for the bike, even if you have to spring for
> >>>>> a new battery you're still sitting pretty IMO. And I like the fact
> >>>>> that EMS is going through the whole bike to be sure it's up to snuff.
>
> >>>>> Here's hoping you get your ride back early next week to put it through
> >>>>> the paces!
>
> >>>>> Larry
>
> >>>>> On Jul 28, 8:34 pm, Dmitri Ivashchenko <dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Hey,
>
> >>>>>> got a call today that I will have to wait until Monday. I am of course
> >>>>>> peeved, since I would have loved to have it over the weekend -- but
> >>>>>> they said that they think there may be an issue with the battery
> >>>>>> station they are using to "refurbish" the battery pack. I don't know
> >>>>>> if that's the situation, or whether my battery is messed up (in which
> >>>>>> case $675 for a new one OUCH)...either way, they said they will let me
> >>>>>> know over the weekend or Monday.
>
> >>>>>> I'm hoping that things will resolve in a non-expensive manner.
>
> >>>>>> At the moment, got 2 new tires ($40/ per tire), brake pads ($20
> >>>>>> total), and 2 hours general service (75/hr) for service. Then $325? or
> >>>>>> $275 for the battery servicing. I hope that the battery will function,
> >>>>>> otherwise they informed me I have to drop $675 for a new battery -- I
> >>>>>> think that if that is the case though, I will be able to get some sort
> >>>>>> of discount.
>
> >>>>>> At the moment, I'm looking around $500 or so -- that's more or less
> >>>>>> what I calculated in when I got the bike though. I'll let you know
> >>>>>> when I get the final bill.
>
> >>>>>> On Jul 28, 3:30 pm, Ambrose Liao <ambrosel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Ivan,
>
> >>>>>>> Any word on your bike? Will it be ready tomorrow? How much was all that work
> >>>>>>> they did for you???
>
> >>>>>>> Ambrose
>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Dmitri Ivashchenko <
>
> >>>>>>> dmitri.ivashche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Sorry Miro,
>
> >>>>>>>> I don't know if you do know Russian, but what you are writing above
> >>>>>>>> makes little sense. Mixing Russian and English -- just stick to the
> >>>>>>>> English would be my advice.
>
> >>>>>>>> No offense btw, just saying hard to understand.
>
> >>>>>>>> D
>
> >>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 7:36 pm, miro13carr <miro13c...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Previet!
> >>>>>>>>> I pokupil E+ 1000W kit i mial problem ,motor sie dziorgal , jak masz
> >>>>>>>>> nie daleko do servisu blisko do Dallas to kupuj E+.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
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