Status of a Halal Vinegar

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Salamah Bin Akwa'

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Jun 6, 2011, 6:34:42 AM6/6/11
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You can use the Pomegranates which are shipped from abroad, & regarding the insecticides spraying, you can't avoid it totally, it is included in almost all of your foods today. But it necessitates Hijamah after every 4 ~ 6 months, so that the toxins are expelled out of your body.
 
Regarding HALAL ruling for different types of vinegars, there is a conflict among various schools of thoughts.
It is because they never knew that vinegar can be produced without WINE; by not following the primary anaerobic fermentation.
Aerobic fermentation from the first day will never validate the FERMENT to be consumed as WINE, as it will be having Acetaldehydes. You have heard food poisoning, HANGOVERS & even death by low quality wines, what happens is that there is some air leakage while handling the WINE & alcohol is oxidized to Acetaldehydes (a toxin).
 
When vinegar will be made by the following principals, all doubts will come to an end & every one will agree that Halal Vinegar production is nothing but :
  1. Using wild yeasts & avoiding brewer's yeast
  2. Fermenting aerobically from the first day, so that the wine is not aged & alcohol is immediately oxidized
By oxidizing the brew aerobically for at least 90 days, it is confirmed that all by-products (either alcohol, acetaldehyde or acetates) of fermentation will be converted to Acetic Acid.
 
And regarding the yeasts, I hate all of them including the Baker's yeast...........
Some opinions about Halal status of vinegars ..........................
 
If the vinegar was made by adopting certain processes such as by mixing salt with it or aerating wine and exposing it to Acetobacter bacteria, (which alters the wine completely and changes it to vinegar) such vinegar is also permissible (halal) according to the Hanafi doctors of law. However, according to some other jurists, this conversion into vinegar is unlawful (haram) (Bahar 8:219).
When wine turns to vinegar by itself, without any deliberate treatment needed for it to be changed, it is permissible to eat, drink and handle it, according to the consensus of the scholars. But if the wine has become vinegar because of deliberate treatment, by adding vinegar, onions, salt etc., or by any other process, in this case the scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) differ as to whether it is permissible.

The Shafi'is, Hanbalis and some of the Maalikis say that it is not permissible to deliberately change wine to vinegar because then it is not pure. The evidence (daleel) for this is the hadeeth of Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: “The Messenger of Allaah  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked whether wine could be changed to be used as vinegar. He said, ‘No.'” (Reported by Muslim).

Abu Talhah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked about some orphans who had inherited some wine. He said, “Pour it away.” He was asked, “Could they not make it into vinegar?” He said, “No.” (Reported by Muslim).
Halal Status of vinegar by Muslimconsumergroup:

There is a difference of opinion among Hanafi and Shafi fiqa schools regarding vinegar.
There is also difference of opinion among Islamic Scholars regarding wine vinegar. Since there is possibility of wine being not 100% converted to acetic acid and water. There is left over wine in the wine vinegar, we consider wine vinegar not a Halal vinegar. We recommend distilled white vinegar because it is made from dilute alcohol. Please consult your sheik or Imam on this topic.

 

YEAST EXTRACT OR AUTOLYZED YEAST

Yeast is a single celled plant that has been useful to mankind since pre-historic times. There are numerous applications of yeast in the food industry
  1. Baker’s Yeast: Halal
    The role of baker yeast in baking industry is to leaven bread and related products. Baker’s Yeast is a Halal yeast.
  2. Brewer’s Yeast:
    This type of yeast is used in fermenting sugar in malt to produce alcohol and carbon dioxide in beer making.
  3. Wine Yeast:
    This yeast is used in making wine.
  4. Alcohol Yeast :
    Yeast is used in production of alcohol.
  5. Torula Yeast:
    Torula Yeast grows on sulfite waste and sulfite liquors. It is also grown on sugar cane. Torula yeast now a days is not grown on sulphite liquor containing alcohol. Based on informat from yeast manufacturer in March 2009, Torula yeast is only grown on Molasses and Corn. Now the Torula yeast is Halal. 
  6. Autolyzed Yeast Extracts or Yeast Extracts:
    Autolyzed yeast extracts are available as a powder derived from Baker’s Yeast or Brewer’s Yeast. After brewing the beer, the brewer yeast is separated from the beer and subjected to self digestion, the hydrolysis of yeast cell protein by the proteolytic enzymes indigenous to yeast cell.

  7. Brewer’s yeast extracts are used in only cheese crackers or cheeses because of its harsh or bitter taste.

  8. Baker's Yeast Extract or Baker's Yeast Autolyzed Yeast or Extract are used to provide meaty falvor in soups, meat products, gravies, snacks. It is used in flavors and also vitamins. 

  9. The Islamic Scholars have different opinions regarding the brewer’s yeast extracts. Some considered it Halal, some say, it is Mukrooh and some advise not to consume foods containing brewer’s yeast extract. Our Islamic scholar considered it Halal if the alcohol penetrated inside the yeast cell and changed to new thing. There is no literature available to indicate that alcohol inside yeast react and changed to a new thing. This is the reason we do not consider yeast extract from beer making as a Halal ingredient.

Please consult your Sheik or Imam on this topic.

----- Original Message -----
From: bubly p
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: {Tibb-e-Nabawi} Tibb-e-Nabawi in UK

i totally agree, i would definately want to be a part of that. but the big question is HOW? 
when you say no one is making halal vinegar in the UK, would that include the ones bought from stores? is that not halal enough, or do you mean its best content of being halal is the one made at home?
i dont think we can get properly home grown pomegranates in UK, am sure they are all shipped in from abroad, and probably sprayed with plenty of chemicals to make them look edible! therefore by even attempting make pomegrante vinegar from scratch would just be impossible
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