I have the DXF files for the gingery lathe and shaper and drill press
derived from the books authored by Dave Gingery.Can someone please
tell me if I legally post them on thingiverse. Is there some way to
post them and credit Dave as the artist sufficient or do I need his
approval?
> I have the DXF files for the gingery lathe and shaper and drill press
> derived from the books authored by Dave Gingery.Can someone please
> tell me if I legally post them on thingiverse. Is there some way to
> post them and credit Dave as the artist sufficient or do I need his
> approval?
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----- Reply message ----- From: "Joheinz" <justjohe...@googlemail.com> To: <thingiverse@googlegroups.com> Subject: [thingiverse] DXF files for the gingery lathe and shaper and drill press. Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 2:30 pm Either way - asking Dave would be the way to go. Markus
Am 17.05.2012 18:28 schrieb "Robbie Logue" <iowacatta...@yahoo.com>: I have the DXF files for the gingery lathe and shaper and drill press
derived from the books authored by Dave Gingery.Can someone please
tell me if I legally post them on thingiverse. Is there some way to
post them and credit Dave as the artist sufficient or do I need his
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On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Robbie Logue <iowacatta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have the DXF files for the gingery lathe and shaper and drill press
> derived from the books authored by Dave Gingery
IANAL, but this isn't the same thing as redistributing and making
derivatives of the book, not devices/inventions. On that note, can I
have a copy of these files? thanks
Thanks, I shot them an email. I'll see what they think about it
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----- Reply message ----- From: "Ron Thompson" <webmas...@plansandprojects.com> To: <thingiverse@googlegroups.com> Subject: [thingiverse] DXF files for the gingery lathe and shaper and drill press. Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 3:06 pm
Copyrights survive the author. I'd bet Vince Gingery owns them, so I'd ask him. He has a web site: http://www.gingerybooks.com/
On 5/17/2012 4:34 PM, iowacatta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I googled him and the wiki says Dave died in 2004
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note on the gingery devices. they are not in patend as they have been
in exsistence for a very long time. If the files you post are not
directly from the book but derived from it then they are not part of
the copyright of the book its self.
I have copies of all the books myself and have been intending on
constructing either openscad files or just plain stl's of the devices
but havent gotten around to doing it with all the other things im
working on right now.
so, while contacting them to at least make them aware of your actions
would be polite, as long as you arent posting pictures directly from
any of the books you would not be violating any copyrights.
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Hi, That is encouraging. I want to get them out there but this is the reply I got from the Vince Gingery Hi Rob,
Thank you for contacting us with your question. We would need to review the files you mention before we would be willing to give approval. If I understand correctly, these DXF files would contain drawings re-created from our books that include all the dimensions required to create the individual parts for our machine tool projects. It is also my understanding that DXF files can be viewed on a number of different software programs so that anyone with the software would be able to freely view re-creations of the construction drawings found in our books. If all of this is true, then we would view the content of these files as part of our intellectual property and I would not be willing to give my permission for their release as open source files.
I want to thank you once again for respecting our copyrighted works, and approaching us first with your question before publishing the files.
Best regards,
Vince Gingery David J. Gingery Publishing, LLC
________________________________ From: rbisping <wizzman6...@yahoo.com> To: thingiverse <thingiverse@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 9:24 PM Subject: [thingiverse] Re: DXF files for the gingery lathe and shaper and drill press.
note on the gingery devices. they are not in patend as they have been in exsistence for a very long time. If the files you post are not directly from the book but derived from it then they are not part of the copyright of the book its self. I have copies of all the books myself and have been intending on constructing either openscad files or just plain stl's of the devices but havent gotten around to doing it with all the other things im working on right now.
so, while contacting them to at least make them aware of your actions would be polite, as long as you arent posting pictures directly from any of the books you would not be violating any copyrights.
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I do not believe that dimensions are copyrightable, and therefore DXF files containing the drawings would not be a copyright violation. However, if the claiming IP holder feels otherwise perhaps it is better to find a different source.
On Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:20:11 UTC+1, Robbie Logue wrote:
> Hi, That is encouraging. I want to get them out there but this is the > reply I got from the Vince Gingery > Hi Rob,
> Thank you for contacting us with your question. We would need to review > the files you mention before we would be willing to give approval. If I > understand correctly, these DXF files would contain drawings re-created > from our books that include all the dimensions required to create the > individual parts for our machine tool projects. It is also my understanding > that DXF files can be viewed on a number of different software programs so > that anyone with the software would be able to freely view re-creations of > the construction drawings found in our books. If all of this is true, then > we would view the content of these files as part of our intellectual > property and I would not be willing to give my permission for their release > as open source files.
> I want to thank you once again for respecting our copyrighted works, and > approaching us first with your question before publishing the files.
> Best regards,
> Vince Gingery > David J. Gingery Publishing, LLC
> ------------------------------ > *From:* rbisping <wizzman6...@yahoo.com> > *To:* thingiverse <thingiverse@googlegroups.com> > *Sent:* Monday, June 4, 2012 9:24 PM > *Subject:* [thingiverse] Re: DXF files for the gingery lathe and shaper > and drill press.
> note on the gingery devices. they are not in patend as they have been > in exsistence for a very long time. If the files you post are not > directly from the book but derived from it then they are not part of > the copyright of the book its self. > I have copies of all the books myself and have been intending on > constructing either openscad files or just plain stl's of the devices > but havent gotten around to doing it with all the other things im > working on right now.
> so, while contacting them to at least make them aware of your actions > would be polite, as long as you arent posting pictures directly from > any of the books you would not be violating any copyrights.
> On May 17, 2:45 pm, "iowacatta...@yahoo.com" <iowacatta...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > Thanks, I shot them an email. I'll see what they think about it
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone
> > ----- Reply message ----- > > From: "Ron Thompson" <webmas...@plansandprojects.com> > > To: <thingiverse@googlegroups.com> > > Subject: [thingiverse] DXF files for the gingery lathe and shaper and > drill press. > > Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 3:06 pm
> > Copyrights survive the author. I'd bet Vince Gingery owns them, so I'd > > ask him. He has a web site:http://www.gingerybooks.com/
> > On 5/17/2012 4:34 PM, iowacatta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > I googled him and the wiki says Dave died in 2004
> > --
> > Ron Thompson > > On the Beautiful Florida Space Coast, right beside the Kennedy Space > Center, USA
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You could modify the parts - make them better in some way and then you
probably good - IANAL - but I think that just posting up *redrawings *of
whats in the books is probably not cool - legal or not (just my $.02)
3D Models I am not sure at all about - but I'd probably feel like the same
- that you were stepping on Vince's toes a bit - since you could basically
build one of his dad's machines without buying his book
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:26 AM, BobC <bobcousin...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I do not believe that dimensions are copyrightable, and therefore DXF
> files containing the drawings would not be a copyright violation. However,
> if the claiming IP holder feels otherwise perhaps it is better to find a
> different source.
> On Tuesday, 5 June 2012 05:20:11 UTC+1, Robbie Logue wrote:
>> Hi, That is encouraging. I want to get them out there but this is the
>> reply I got from the Vince Gingery
>> Hi Rob,
>> Thank you for contacting us with your question. We would need to review
>> the files you mention before we would be willing to give approval. If I
>> understand correctly, these DXF files would contain drawings re-created
>> from our books that include all the dimensions required to create the
>> individual parts for our machine tool projects. It is also my understanding
>> that DXF files can be viewed on a number of different software programs so
>> that anyone with the software would be able to freely view re-creations of
>> the construction drawings found in our books. If all of this is true, then
>> we would view the content of these files as part of our intellectual
>> property and I would not be willing to give my permission for their release
>> as open source files.
>> I want to thank you once again for respecting our copyrighted works, and
>> approaching us first with your question before publishing the files.
>> Best regards,
>> Vince Gingery
>> David J. Gingery Publishing, LLC
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* rbisping <wizzman6...@yahoo.com>
>> *To:* thingiverse <thingiverse@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 4, 2012 9:24 PM
>> *Subject:* [thingiverse] Re: DXF files for the gingery lathe and shaper
>> and drill press.
>> note on the gingery devices. they are not in patend as they have been
>> in exsistence for a very long time. If the files you post are not
>> directly from the book but derived from it then they are not part of
>> the copyright of the book its self.
>> I have copies of all the books myself and have been intending on
>> constructing either openscad files or just plain stl's of the devices
>> but havent gotten around to doing it with all the other things im
>> working on right now.
>> so, while contacting them to at least make them aware of your actions
>> would be polite, as long as you arent posting pictures directly from
>> any of the books you would not be violating any copyrights.
>> On May 17, 2:45 pm, "iowacatta...@yahoo.com" <iowacatta...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Thanks, I shot them an email. I'll see what they think about it
>> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone
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>> > From: "Ron Thompson" <webmas...@plansandprojects.**com>
>> > To: <thingiverse@googlegroups.com>
>> > Subject: [thingiverse] DXF files for the gingery lathe and shaper and
>> drill press.
>> > Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 3:06 pm
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I agree with Jamie.
I am one of the moderators of the Gingery Machines Yahoo group.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gingery_machines/?yguid=170148589>
That said, there are many modifications out there.
I am no lawyer, but it is common for a 15% improvement to be considered a new item.
If I were to do this, I'd add a link and urge people to buy the book. Just giving the info out as 3d models is not enough to construct the machine.
Speaking of models, a scale model might avoid all the fuss and be 3d printable, to boot.
Given Vince's response, it will be an uphill battle. If you can convince Vince that it might spread the word and add links to his books, that might help.
This is Vince's legacy from his dad, and he will not want to do anything to diminish that. But improving his sales might be viewed differently.
On 6/5/2012 6:21 AM, Jamie Cunningham wrote:
> You could modify the parts - make them better in some way and then you > probably good - IANAL - but I think that just posting up */redrawings > /*of whats in the books is probably not cool - legal or not (just my $.02)
> 3D Models I am not sure at all about - but I'd probably feel like the > same - that you were stepping on Vince's toes a bit - since you could > basically build one of his dad's machines without buying his book
On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 12:20:11 AM UTC-4, Robbie Logue wrote:
> Hi, That is encouraging. I want to get them out there but this is the > reply I got from the Vince Gingery > Hi Rob,
> Thank you for contacting us with your question. We would need to review > the files you mention before we would be willing to give approval. If I > understand correctly, these DXF files would contain drawings re-created > from our books that include all the dimensions required to create the > individual parts for our machine tool projects. It is also my understanding > that DXF files can be viewed on a number of different software programs so > that anyone with the software would be able to freely view re-creations of > the construction drawings found in our books. If all of this is true, then > we would view the content of these files as part of our intellectual > property and I would not be willing to give my permission for their release > as open source files.
> I want to thank you once again for respecting our copyrighted works, and > approaching us first with your question before publishing the files.
> Best regards,
> Vince Gingery > David J. Gingery Publishing, LLC
> ------------------------------ > *From:* rbisping <wizzman6...@yahoo.com> > *To:* thingiverse <thingiverse@googlegroups.com> > *Sent:* Monday, June 4, 2012 9:24 PM > *Subject:* [thingiverse] Re: DXF files for the gingery lathe and shaper > and drill press.
> note on the gingery devices. they are not in patend as they have been > in exsistence for a very long time. If the files you post are not > directly from the book but derived from it then they are not part of > the copyright of the book its self. > I have copies of all the books myself and have been intending on > constructing either openscad files or just plain stl's of the devices > but havent gotten around to doing it with all the other things im > working on right now.
> so, while contacting them to at least make them aware of your actions > would be polite, as long as you arent posting pictures directly from > any of the books you would not be violating any copyrights.
> On May 17, 2:45 pm, "iowacatta...@yahoo.com" <iowacatta...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > Thanks, I shot them an email. I'll see what they think about it
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone
> > ----- Reply message ----- > > From: "Ron Thompson" <webmas...@plansandprojects.com> > > To: <thingiverse@googlegroups.com> > > Subject: [thingiverse] DXF files for the gingery lathe and shaper and > drill press. > > Date: Thu, May 17, 2012 3:06 pm
> > Copyrights survive the author. I'd bet Vince Gingery owns them, so I'd > > ask him. He has a web site:http://www.gingerybooks.com/
> > On 5/17/2012 4:34 PM, iowacatta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > I googled him and the wiki says Dave died in 2004
> > --
> > Ron Thompson > > On the Beautiful Florida Space Coast, right beside the Kennedy Space > Center, USA
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On Thursday, 17 May 2012 12:08:25 UTC-4, Robbie Logue wrote:
> I have the DXF files for the gingery lathe and shaper and drill press > derived from the books authored by Dave Gingery.Can someone please > tell me if I legally post them on thingiverse. Is there some way to > post them and credit Dave as the artist sufficient or do I need his > approval?
I posted this under another thread re DMCA takedowns, but it is equally relevant here. This topic needs wider attention, particularly for the general public, to no loose rights we currently have as I expect big business is not happy...
"Indeed, it is clear that – within the UK at least – personal use of 3D printing technology does not infringe the majority of IP rights. Registered design and patent explicitly exempt personal use, trade mark law has been interpreted as doing so, and UDR is only applicable to commercial use. There is no such exemption for copyright, but the CDPA 1988 has been interpreted so as to provide numerous instances where copyright does not subsist for certain 3D items or is substantially shortened."
It's going to be messy, but not much is going to be protected in the future. We need to protect our rights too.
Thingiverse/MB may want to start talking to their lawyers...
p.s. While searching for the above, I found this interesting piece:
