I have really been enjoying the Trickster/Piper story. And parts of
the ray palmer search have been good (loving the Jokester).
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Okay, Iāve gotten caught up on Countdown through this weekās issue - #28.Ā So it goes without saying that what follows contains SPOILERS.
First off, the best thing to come from Countdown (in my opinion) is the Crime
Society.Ā Not because they are the greatest team of villains, but because
of their Multiversal nature.Ā Weāve known about the āCrime
Syndicateā for some time ā parallel evil versions of the Justice
League.Ā Now we have the āCrime Societyā ā parallel evil
versions of the Justice Society.Ā Thatās so cool!Ā Brilliant
idea to have both!Ā Itās like evil versions of pre-Crisis Earth-1
and Earth-2.Ā Maybe theyāll crossover!
Ā
My biggest gripe with Countdown is that every storyline is following a poor version of what I call the āClassic Quest Plotā.Ā In my definition, the classic Quest Plot goes something like this:
- Heroes travel to Place A, told to travel to/find clue/led to Place B
- Heroes travel to Place B, told to travel to/find clue/led to Place C
- Heroes travel to Place C, told to travel to/find clue/led to Place Dā¦ and so on.
Unfortunately in Countdown, this is done very choppy and weakly.Ā Every storyline is following some person or group as they meander from one place to another.Ā Each time, the reasoning for going to the next place seems weak or forced.Ā Itās like a āstory ramā in roleplaying.Ā Basically offer the characters one (and only one) direction which they must follow.Ā These characters have traveled all over the place, but havenāt really accomplished anything.Ā Example:
- Karate Kid fights Batman, gets knocked out and taken to the JLA headquarters
- Eventually Karate Kid is released, told that he must stay in the 21st century, and hooks up with Uno Damsel
- They break into Oracleās HQ to ask if she can help since Karate Kid is apparently dying (where did that revelation come from?)
- After fighting Oracles defenses, Oracle sends them to Elias Orr for help with his virus
- After fighting Orrās henchman, Elias Orr sends them to Buddy Blank and Brother Eye
- After fighting Brother Eye, Brother Eye sends them to Bludhavenā¦ and so onā¦
Karate Kid has been all over, but nothing has really happened.Ā Over the course of 24 issues, I would have expected something other than delaying tactics to have occurred.Ā Similar poorly written āquestā plotlines have plagued each of the major storylines.
Ā
Trickster and Piper ā I want to like this plot, but itās just not doing it for me.Ā I realize this is just build up for āSalvation Runā, but it just seems to be rambling along with no purpose.Ā The handcuff plot is just stupid.Ā The fact that they can escape any ridiculous situation, but not a pair of handcuffs is just contrived.Ā This type of plot is typically used in āBuddyā movies.Ā The plot of those movies typically involve two people that hate each other that become stuck together or dependant upon one another.Ā By the end, the two people have formed a bond and become buddies.Ā I donāt see that happening here.Ā So why the ābuddyā plot if that isnāt going to happen?Ā Also, the homosexual jokes about Piper are juvenile and getting tiresome.
Ā
Mary Marvel ā Probably the storyline Iām enjoying most.Ā There are some cool magic possibilities here.Ā So far Magic has not equaled Love, so there is something to be said for that.Ā Also, sheās pretty hot.
Ā
Challengers from Beyond ā Again, I want to like this plot, but itās just so poorly scripted.Ā Why in the heck did they go with Bob the Monitor in the first place?Ā He kidnapped them (a.k.a. saved them from Forerunner) in issue #45.Ā The next time we see them in issue #43 they are getting ready to go searching the multiverse for Ray Palmer.Ā What the heck?Ā When did they decide to hang out with Bob?Ā Bob never even explains why Ray Palmer is important.Ā Bob also doesnāt really give them any proof they should trust him.Ā As far as the continuing plot goes, following Ray from world to world just seems cheesy.Ā It feels like some 80ās hard-traveling drama where the heroes are searching for someone, but always manage to just miss them by a couple minutes.Ā If you want to enjoy the āSearch for Ray Palmerā, try reading āThe All-New Atomā instead.
Ā
Jimmy Olsen ā This plot just flat out isnāt interesting.Ā We get that his powers only manifest when heās in true danger.Ā We also get that heās somehow in possession of knowledge he shouldnāt have (a.k.a. Clark = Superman).Ā Is this going somewhere interesting?Ā I doubt it.Ā However, I gotta say it was cool to see Forager again.Ā Heās always been one of my favorite New Gods.Ā Wait a minute, isntā Forager a he?Ā I must have missed something there.
Ā
Monarch and his army ā I guess the concept is interesting, but again the execution is poor. Captain Atom became Monarch why exactly?Ā And this former hero is now building an army of psychopathic killers to stop the Monitors?Ā Yeahā¦. okay, whatever.Ā My two cents, āForerunnerā¦ the least interesting character find of 2007!ā
Ā
Is it just me, or is the art pretty poor in Countdown?Ā
Ā
Now that the Wildstorm universe is officially one of the parallel Earths, does this mean they have to participate in the āFinal Crisisā?Ā Those poor soulsā¦
Ā
Shag
Ā
Ā
Okay, I've gotten caught up on Countdown through this week's issue - #28.Ā So it goes without saying that what follows contains SPOILERS.
First off, the best thing to come from Countdown (in my opinion) is the Crime Society.Ā Not because they are the greatest team of villains, but because of their Multiversal nature.Ā We've known about the "Crime Syndicate" for some time ā parallel evil versions of the Justice League.Ā Now we have the "Crime Society" ā parallel evil versions of the Justice Society.Ā That's so cool!Ā Brilliant idea to have both!Ā It's like evil versions of pre-Crisis Earth-1 and Earth-2.Ā Maybe they'll crossover!Ā
My biggest gripe with Countdown is that every storyline is following a poor version of what I call the "Classic Quest Plot".Ā In my definition, the classic Quest Plot goes something like this:
- Heroes travel to Place A, told to travel to/find clue/led to Place B
- Heroes travel to Place B, told to travel to/find clue/led to Place C
- Heroes travel to Place C, told to travel to/find clue/led to Place Dā¦ and so on.
Unfortunately in Countdown, this is done very choppy and weakly.Ā Every storyline is following some person or group as they meander from one place to another.Ā Each time, the reasoning for going to the next place seems weak or forced.Ā It's like a "story ram" in roleplaying.Ā Basically offer the characters one (and only one) direction which they must follow.Ā These characters have traveled all over the place, but haven't really accomplished anything.Ā Example:
- Karate Kid fights Batman, gets knocked out and taken to the JLA headquarters
- Eventually Karate Kid is released, told that he must stay in the 21st century, and hooks up with Uno Damsel
- They break into Oracle's HQ to ask if she can help since Karate Kid is apparently dying (where did that revelation come from?)
- After fighting Oracles defenses, Oracle sends them to Elias Orr for help with his virus
- After fighting Orr's henchman, Elias Orr sends them to Buddy Blank and Brother Eye
- After fighting Brother Eye, Brother Eye sends them to Bludhavenā¦ and so onā¦
Karate Kid has been all over, but nothing has really happened.Ā Over the course of 24 issues, I would have expected something other than delaying tactics to have occurred.Ā Similar poorly written "quest" plotlines have plagued each of the major storylines.
Ā
Trickster and Piper ā I want to like this plot, but it's just not doing it for me.Ā I realize this is just build up for "Salvation Run", but it just seems to be rambling along with no purpose.Ā The handcuff plot is just stupid.Ā The fact that they can escape any ridiculous situation, but not a pair of handcuffs is just contrived.Ā This type of plot is typically used in "Buddy" movies.Ā The plot of those movies typically involve two people that hate each other that become stuck together or dependant upon one another.Ā By the end, the two people have formed a bond and become buddies.Ā I don't see that happening here.Ā So why the "buddy" plot if that isn't going to happen?Ā Also, the homosexual jokes about Piper are juvenile and getting tiresome.
Ā
Mary Marvel ā Probably the storyline I'm enjoying most.Ā There are some cool magic possibilities here.Ā So far Magic has not equaled Love, so there is something to be said for that.Ā Also, she's pretty hot.
Ā
Challengers from Beyond ā Again, I want to like this plot, but it's just so poorly scripted.Ā Why in the heck did they go with Bob the Monitor in the first place?Ā He kidnapped them ( a.k.a. saved them from Forerunner) in issue #45.Ā The next time we see them in issue #43 they are getting ready to go searching the multiverse for Ray Palmer.Ā What the heck?Ā When did they decide to hang out with Bob?Ā Bob never even explains why Ray Palmer is important.Ā Bob also doesn't really give them any proof they should trust him.Ā As far as the continuing plot goes, following Ray from world to world just seems cheesy.Ā It feels like some 80's hard-traveling drama where the heroes are searching for someone, but always manage to just miss them by a couple minutes.Ā If you want to enjoy the "Search for Ray Palmer", try reading "The All-New Atom" instead.
Ā
Jimmy Olsen ā This plot just flat out isn't interesting.Ā We get that his powers only manifest when he's in true danger.Ā We also get that he's somehow in possession of knowledge he shouldn't have ( a.k.a. Clark = Superman).Ā Is this going somewhere interesting?Ā I doubt it.Ā However, I gotta say it was cool to see Forager again.Ā He's always been one of my favorite New Gods.Ā Wait a minute, isnt' Forager a he?Ā I must have missed something there.
Ā
Monarch and his army ā I guess the concept is interesting, but again the execution is poor. Captain Atom became Monarch why exactly?Ā And this former hero is now building an army of psychopathic killers to stop the Monitors?Ā Yeahā¦. okay, whatever.Ā My two cents, "Forerunnerā¦ the least interesting character find of 2007!"
Ā
Is it just me, or is the art pretty poor in Countdown?Ā
Ā
Now that the Wildstorm universe is officially one of the parallel Earths, does this mean they have to participate in the "Final Crisis"?Ā Those poor soulsā¦
Ā
Shag
Ā
Ā
Okay, I've gotten caught up on Countdown through this week's issue - #28.Ā So it goes without saying that what follows contains SPOILERS.
First off, the best thing to come from Countdown (in my opinion) is the Crime Society.Ā Not because they are the greatest team of villains, but because of their Multiversal nature.Ā We've known about the "Crime Syndicate" for some time ā parallel evil versions of the Justice League.Ā Now we have the "Crime Society" ā parallel evil versions of the Justice Society.Ā That's so cool!Ā Brilliant idea to have both!Ā It's like evil versions of pre-Crisis Earth-1 and Earth-2.Ā Maybe they'll crossover!Ā
My biggest gripe with Countdown is that every storyline is following a poor version of what I call the "Classic Quest Plot".Ā In my definition, the classic Quest Plot goes something like this:
- Heroes travel to Place A, told to travel to/find clue/led to Place B
- Heroes travel to Place B, told to travel to/find clue/led to Place C
- Heroes travel to Place C, told to travel to/find clue/led to Place Dā¦ and so on.
Unfortunately in Countdown, this is done very choppy and weakly.Ā Every storyline is following some person or group as they meander from one place to another.Ā Each time, the reasoning for going to the next place seems weak or forced.Ā It's like a "story ram" in roleplaying.Ā Basically offer the characters one (and only one) direction which they must follow.Ā These characters have traveled all over the place, but haven't really accomplished anything.Ā Example:
- Karate Kid fights Batman, gets knocked out and taken to the JLA headquarters
- Eventually Karate Kid is released, told that he must stay in the 21st century, and hooks up with Uno Damsel
- They break into Oracle's HQ to ask if she can help since Karate Kid is apparently dying (where did that revelation come from?)
- After fighting Oracles defenses, Oracle sends them to Elias Orr for help with his virus
- After fighting Orr's henchman, Elias Orr sends them to Buddy Blank and Brother Eye
- After fighting Brother Eye, Brother Eye sends them to Bludhavenā¦ and so onā¦
Karate Kid has been all over, but nothing has really happened.Ā Over the course of 24 issues, I would have expected something other than delaying tactics to have occurred.Ā Similar poorly written "quest" plotlines have plagued each of the major storylines.
Ā
Trickster and Piper ā I want to like this plot, but it's just not doing it for me.Ā I realize this is just build up for "Salvation Run", but it just seems to be rambling along with no purpose.Ā The handcuff plot is just stupid.Ā The fact that they can escape any ridiculous situation, but not a pair of handcuffs is just contrived.Ā This type of plot is typically used in "Buddy" movies.Ā The plot of those movies typically involve two people that hate each other that become stuck together or dependant upon one another.Ā By the end, the two people have formed a bond and become buddies.Ā I don't see that happening here.Ā So why the "buddy" plot if that isn't going to happen?Ā Also, the homosexual jokes about Piper are juvenile and getting tiresome.
Ā
Mary Marvel ā Probably the storyline I'm enjoying most.Ā There are some cool magic possibilities here.Ā So far Magic has not equaled Love, so there is something to be said for that.Ā Also, she's pretty hot.
Ā
Challengers from Beyond ā Again, I want to like this plot, but it's just so poorly scripted.Ā Why in the heck did they go with Bob the Monitor in the first place?Ā He kidnapped them ( a.k.a. saved them from Forerunner) in issue #45.Ā The next time we see them in issue #43 they are getting ready to go searching the multiverse for Ray Palmer.Ā What the heck?Ā When did they decide to hang out with Bob?Ā Bob never even explains why Ray Palmer is important.Ā Bob also doesn't really give them any proof they should trust him.Ā As far as the continuing plot goes, following Ray from world to world just seems cheesy.Ā It feels like some 80's hard-traveling drama where the heroes are searching for someone, but always manage to just miss them by a couple minutes.Ā If you want to enjoy the "Search for Ray Palmer", try reading "The All-New Atom" instead.
Ā
Jimmy Olsen ā This plot just flat out isn't interesting.Ā We get that his powers only manifest when he's in true danger.Ā We also get that he's somehow in possession of knowledge he shouldn't have ( a.k.a. Clark = Superman).Ā Is this going somewhere interesting?Ā I doubt it.Ā However, I gotta say it was cool to see Forager again.Ā He's always been one of my favorite New Gods.Ā Wait a minute, isnt' Forager a he?Ā I must have missed something there.
I wanna know where they are going with the amazon plot...mostly
because Harley is with them, and I love Harley.
I think one of the reasons I like the Mary Marvel plot is because sheās the only character that has grown in the series.Ā Look at all the various storylines (except hers).Ā These characters really havenāt changed at all since the first couple issues.Ā After 24 issues, I would hope there would be some growth.Ā In all the other storylines they have changed locations and learned a handful of things, but basically they are still exactly the same (and in the same situation) as they were in the first couple issues.
- Jimmy Olsen has powers he doesnāt understand
- Trickster and Piper are still aimlessly on the run
- Karate Kid still doesnāt know anything
- Challengers from Beyond still donāt know where Ray Palmer is
Ā
However, Mary Marvel has gained new powers, trained how to use them, learned further on her own, and they studied under Eclipso.Ā She started the series as a regular human, now sheās one of the more powerful magic-users in the DC Universe.Ā And now sheās on the path to the Dark-Side.Ā Whether you like her storyline or not, at least her plot is changing and growing the character.
Ā
Oh yeah, did I mention sheās hot?Ā Even with crappy art, sheās still hot.Ā Iām just sayināā¦
Ā
Ā
Shag
Ā
From: theuni...@googlegroups.com [mailto:theuni...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry
Morton
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007
8:59 AM
To: theuni...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [The Unique Geek] Re:
Countdown Update
I agree with your assessment that major aspects of the current storylines are temporary.Ā Iām not sure what will be washed away in Final Crisis, but Iām sure it will be major.Ā I gotta imagine some portion of the multiverse will remain, primarily because they are taking so much time defining it.
Ā
Ā
Shag
Ā
PS: You were right about Green Arrow.Ā Check out #1 of the Green Arrow/Black Canary series.Ā I didnāt buy it, but I did āJohn-Byrne-steal-itā in the store.Ā Glad I didnāt waste my money on that U.C. crap.
Ā
From: theuni...@googlegroups.com [mailto:theuni...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Bailey
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007
8:57 AM
To: theuni...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [The Unique Geek] Re:
Countdown Update
Ā
See, I read things like this and think, "Yup, dodged that bullet."