Re: [Biketour] 10 years after the NATO bombardment of Serbia

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milena k.

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Mar 29, 2009, 9:57:27 PM3/29/09
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i think it's good to discuss about issues to get clear in our minds. a calm and fruitful discussion is also possible. i find it important to write to here as a platform of alternative minds.
i support the argument that nato should go out everywhere. and i think there is wider view of understanding the universe other than the nation states level.  to criticise nato from nationalistic perspective doesn't bring us anywhere. i don't like the writing of independence with quotes. for me it is the same when i, as a turkish citizen, would write 'independence' of kurds  , which means socalled.
i travelled on bike through serbia, bosnia, croatia for 6 months, shooting a film about the war , making interviews, i've seen many types of nationalism. in serbia one of the nationalistic issues was "kosovo is ours". this is very much promoted along with the issue of nato bombings & serbian identity situated against global homogenization. the separation is kept alive as they put the issues into each other and knot them together. in kosovo also it is hard for serbian/croatian/bosnian speakers,  as the same nationalistic drive is at work , only contrarywise, so with other names.
somebody has to start to do something else, no?......
i wish the time and a clearniess come to us, that we can separate the issues from each other and be able to think in the universal level, instead of keeping the heat of hate burn. i personally feel it as i fell in love with the region&people of ex-yugoslavia.  who is suffering  again are the people of both lands and not the nationalist politicians, who are treated as heroes now in their countries.
at the end i just want to say i dont generalize but talk about the tendencies  &  i talk about issues , not the persons.
thanks if you came till here. ___

asli



--- Lütfi KOÇYİĞİT <lkoc...@istanbulcerrahi.com> schrieb am Mi, 25.3.2009:
Von: Lütfi KOÇYİĞİT <lkoc...@istanbulcerrahi.com>
Betreff: Re: [Biketour] 10 years after the NATO bombardment of Serbia
An: COL110-W3624A438A...@phx.gbl
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Datum: Mittwoch, 25. März 2009, 14:26

 
 
I thank Milan for defending Serbian people's right to live on a clean and peaceful life as an environmentalist biker from Balkans. Hoping not to start a useless argument on who started things  first or who is right or wrong, I just want to add that we must also give it to the ethnic Albanians, their simple right  to live on. An environmentalist should always question his or her own role and responsibility on a peaceful nature first without discriminating some others. Once again, lets thank Milan for condemning NATO bombings ( whatever the reason no mass aggression can be justified ! ) and any other forms of killing people and forcing them from their natural environment.
 
NATO out of everywhere ! 
 
Lutfi Kocyigit
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Istanbul
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Karl

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Mar 30, 2009, 1:48:56 AM3/30/09
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i totally agree with milena!

nationalism is just an artificial construct to make people hate
eachother. the reason for this is to avoid solidarity between people,
because solidarity is bad for military and capitalism.

no border, no nation, stop deportations!

karl

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