Is there a way to create a keyboard shortcut (e.g. Cmd-T) on OS X to
open a new terminal window wherever you are (e.g. in Finder, in
another app, in terminal)?
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Shannon Low <shannon...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yup, that's what I'd like to do - quickly call up a terminal window via > keyboard instead of fumbling about the dock or expose to launch/find one.
> On May 26, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Jason Ong <velve...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm. I can see how that might be useful in some situations.
> Shannon are you trying to drop down to terminal to execute commands?
"Also, you can copy an item from the finder using command-C, jump into the Terminal (e.g. using Spotlight or QuickSilver) type 'cd ' and simply paste with command-v"
> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Shannon Low <shannon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yup, that's what I'd like to do - quickly call up a terminal window via >> keyboard instead of fumbling about the dock or expose to launch/find one.
>> On May 26, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Jason Ong <velve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hmm. I can see how that might be useful in some situations.
>> Shannon are you trying to drop down to terminal to execute commands?
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Jason Ong <velve...@gmail.com> wrote: > I like this especially. :) > "Also, you can copy an item from the finder using command-C, jump into the > Terminal (e.g. using Spotlight or QuickSilver) type 'cd ' and simply paste > with command-v"
Thanks all! The solution I found in the end was to install Quicksilver and create a trigger that assigns "open terminal app" to a hotkey. Works well, but not so cool that I had to install QS just to do that.
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Ivan <van...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Jason Ong <velve...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I like this especially. :) >> "Also, you can copy an item from the finder using command-C, jump into the >> Terminal (e.g. using Spotlight or QuickSilver) type 'cd ' and simply paste >> with command-v"
im just using apple-space term enter roughly once every month... since 1 terminal is always open for me. cycling to it via apple-tab never seemed to be a pain to me...
btw, talking about quicksilver, it think it's worth to mention http://www.alfredapp.com/powerpack/ they give nice example how can the command line concept augmented via gui. DTerm is trying to do something similar.
alfred is less resource hungry compared to quicksilver, afaik.
> Thanks all! The solution I found in the end was to install Quicksilver > and create a trigger that assigns "open terminal app" to a hotkey. > Works well, but not so cool that I had to install QS just to do that.
> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Ivan <van...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Jason Ong <velve...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I like this especially. :) > >> "Also, you can copy an item from the finder using command-C, jump into the > >> Terminal (e.g. using Spotlight or QuickSilver) type 'cd ' and simply paste > >> with command-v"
r u running an x11 server on a mac so u can use xmonad? aren't there any focusing or window cycling problems with it? (btw, since xmonad is a tiling wm, what does that window doing *on top of* the other one? :)
can u share your ~/.screenrc, pls? (i like the center aligned window names)
it's funny to see a nyuszika nick on that #vim channel; it means bunny in hungarian ;) r u using irssi or bitchx or what?
it piggy backs the terminal, so u need the terminal app started.
then it hides your initial window.
when u open the visor window it turns out a, it didnt inherit your default window settings b, it has created it's own profile c, it's not occupying the whole screen d, u can resize, but only from it's preference pane
now u apple-tab to some other app, then an other again. you would expect apple-tab switch between these two, right?
well, if u press the visor hot-key, the terminal app will jump to the top of the application stack, so the next apple-tab will bring u from the terminal to the app where u invoked it from, but the next apple-tab will bring u back to the terminal, BUT the visor window won't open, instead u will only see the menu change, since ur terminal has no other windows open.
in a summary, a, u will get another hotkey to pop the terminal app to the top, b, but u can't use apple-tab to access the visor window, while c, it breaks the app stack order
now i cant imagine who is the audience of this shit, but not the hard core command line user, i guess :/
> r u running an x11 server on a mac so u can use xmonad? > aren't there any focusing or window cycling problems with it? > (btw, since xmonad is a tiling wm, what does that window > doing *on top of* the other one? :)
> can u share your ~/.screenrc, pls? > (i like the center aligned window names)
> it's funny to see a nyuszika nick on that #vim channel; > it means bunny in hungarian ;) > r u using irssi or bitchx or what?
> im just using apple-space term enter > roughly once every month... > since 1 terminal is always open for me. > cycling to it via apple-tab never seemed to be a pain to me...
> btw, talking about quicksilver, it think it's worth to mention > http://www.alfredapp.com/powerpack/ > they give nice example how can the command line concept > augmented via gui. DTerm is trying to do something similar.
> alfred is less resource hungry compared to quicksilver, afaik.
I've been using Alfred ever since Navjot's talk at barcamp 2010 although I haven't been using it anything more than spotlight. Browsing the powerpack features is addictively veering towards to "buy" button till I took a step back and ask myself "do i really need this?" Good UX.
Btw I get reminded of Meng every time I see Alfred's tope hat.
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Shannon Low <shannon...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've heard a lot abt Alfred and I think it does more than quicksilver. QS > seems more like a spotlight+.
> That said, I can now just opt-space to pull up a term window from anywhere, > so I'm happy with the QS solution.
> On May 27, 2011, at 2:22 AM, onetom <hermanta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > im just using apple-space term enter > > roughly once every month... > > since 1 terminal is always open for me. > > cycling to it via apple-tab never seemed to be a pain to me...
> > btw, talking about quicksilver, it think it's worth to mention > > http://www.alfredapp.com/powerpack/ > > they give nice example how can the command line concept > > augmented via gui. DTerm is trying to do something similar.
> > alfred is less resource hungry compared to quicksilver, afaik.
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Shannon Low <shannon...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1
> Vikram's got funky screens!
> What do you use to read mail?
> On May 27, 2011, at 3:22 AM, Tamas Herman <hermanta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > vikram,
> > what font r u using?
> > what r u reading your email in?
> > what's athena?
> > r u running an x11 server on a mac so u can use xmonad? > > aren't there any focusing or window cycling problems with it? > > (btw, since xmonad is a tiling wm, what does that window > > doing *on top of* the other one? :)
> > can u share your ~/.screenrc, pls? > > (i like the center aligned window names)
> > it's funny to see a nyuszika nick on that #vim channel; > > it means bunny in hungarian ;) > > r u using irssi or bitchx or what?
> On 27 May 2011 14:49, "Tamas Herman" <hermanta...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Jason Ong <velve...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> We should have a gnu screen session for #terminology
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:14 PM, shannon low <shannon...@gmail.com> wrote: > And is there a way for all of us to ssh into the screen session and have > the discussion _in_the_command_line_?
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Jason Ong <velve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> And then all presentations will be done through that. Haha.
>> On 27 May 2011 14:49, "Tamas Herman" <hermanta...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Jason Ong <velve...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> We should have a gnu screen session for #terminology
While those are certainly some pretty ridiculous behaviours, I can understand a lot of those behaviours as design decisions from the developer's perspective, as well as inevitable by-products of the restrictions of the platform/operating system (yet another reason to use GNU/Linux, or alternative BSDs!)
On 11-05-27 05:03:30 +0700, Tamas Herman wrote:
> > Visor may also be worth checking out.
> it doesn't worth checking out. > it piggy backs the terminal, so u need the terminal app started.
In the use-case I was describing, Visor was used as a temporary buffer to execute commands quickly, before dismissing it to return to whatever you're working on. I recognised it as having the benefit of being persistent - hurrah, toggleable man-pages (though I use vim's 'K' for this)!
I'd expect any 'hard core command line user', to use your own phrasing (ugh), to be maintaining other virtual terminal windows in conjunction with this, so I wouldn't recognise it as being an issue.
Piggy-backing Terminal.app means that the developers needn't develop a VT of their own, which would be a total pain in the ass.
> then it hides your initial window.
The active window? That's a pretty lame behaviour. I'd expect it to simply take focus, leaving whatever you were working on in the background.
> when u open the visor window it turns out > a, it didnt inherit your default window settings
This offers the advantage of being able to set custom behaviours for Visor, for the temporary terminal, which is a Good Thing (tm).
> b, it has created it's own profile
See above.
> c, it's not occupying the whole screen
This is again, an advantage. If your actions within the Terminal window involve the process you're currently interacting with, you have the opportunity to review that information inside the Terminal.
> d, u can resize, but only from it's preference pane
This is likely a limitation of Terminal.app, and something you'd only have to change once, and to your liking.
> now u apple-tab to some other app, then an other again. > you would expect apple-tab switch between these two, right?
> well, if u press the visor hot-key, the terminal app will jump > to the top of the application stack, so the next apple-tab > will bring u from the terminal to the app where u invoked it from, > but the next apple-tab will bring u back to the terminal, BUT > the visor window won't open, instead u will only see the menu > change, since ur terminal has no other windows open.
> in a summary, > a, u will get another hotkey to pop the terminal app to the top, > b, but u can't use apple-tab to access the visor window, while > c, it breaks the app stack order
I'm not a Macintosh developer, but I think it's unlikely that the system will allow you to daemonise GUI processes (and that's not something you'd want to do to Terminal.app, anyway.
This is a lame behaviour, but not something the developers could control.
> now i cant imagine who is the audience of this shit, > but not the hard core command line user, i guess :/
> -- > tom
I'll admit it was a bad recommendation - though as I mentioned, I haven't used the utility. While I have Snow Leopard running on my workstation, I instead have a number of single-purpose full-screen iTerm 2 windows, in designated spaces, that I toggle in and out of instead.
Now that I'm thinking about it, a better solution for Shannon would be to use iTerm2's 'Hotkey Window' feature:
"Instead of calling Athena the goddess of war, wisdom, and macrame, then, we should say war and technology. And here again we have the problem of an overlap with the jurisdiction of Ares, who's supposed to be the god of war. And let's just say that Ares is a complete asshole. His personal aides are Fear and Terror and sometimes Strife. He is constantly at odds with Athena even though--maybe because--they are nominally the god and goddess of the same thing--war. Heracles, who is one of Athena's human proteges, physically wounds Ares on two occasions, and even strips him of his weapons at one point! You see the fascinating thing about Ares is that he's completely incompetent. He's chained up by a couple of giants and imprisoned in a bronze vessel for thirteen months. He's wounded by one of Odysseus's drinking buddies during the Iliad. Athena knocks him out with a rock at one point. When he's not making a complete idiot of himself in battle, he's screwing every human female he can get his hands on, and--get this--his sons are all what we would today call serial killers. And so it seems very clear to me that Ares really was a god of war as such an entity would be recognized by people who were involved in wars all the time, and had a really clear idea of just how stupid and ugly wars are.
Whereas Athena is famous for being the backer of Odysseus, who, let's not forget, is the guy who comes up with the idea for the Trojan Horse. Athena guides both Odysseus and Heracles through their struggles, and although both of these guys are excellent fighters, they win most of their battles through cunning or (less pejoratively) metis. And although both of them engage in violence pretty freely (Odysseus likes to call himself 'sacker of cities') it's clear that they are being held up in opposition to the kind of mindless, raging violence associated with Ares and his offspring--Heracles even personally rids the world of a few of Ares's psychopathic sons. I mean, the records aren't totally clear--it's not like you can go to the Thebes County Courthouse and look up the death certificates on these guys--but it appears that Heracles, backed up by Athena all the way, personally murders at least half of the Hannibal Lecterish offspring of Ares.
So insofar as Athena is a goddess of war, what really do we mean by that? Note that her most famous weapon is not her sword but her shield Aegis, and Aegis has a gorgon's head on it, so that anyone who attacks her is in serious danger of being turned to stone. She's always described as being calm and majestic, neither of which adjectives anyone ever applied to Ares....
Let's face it, Randy, we've all known guys like Ares. The pattern of human behavior that caused the internal mental representation known as Ares to appear in the minds of the ancient Greeks is very much with us today, in the form of terrorists, serial killers, riots, pogroms, and agressive tinhorn dictators who turn out to be military incompetents. And yet for all their stupidity and incompetence, people like that can conquer and control large chunks of the world if they are not resisted....
Who is going to fight them off, Randy?
Sometimes it might be other Ares-worshippers, as when Iran and Iraq went to war and no one cared who won. But if Ares-worshippers aren't going to end up running the whole world, someone needs to do violence to them. This isn't very nice, but it's a fact: civilization requires an Aegis. And the only way to fight the bastards off in the end is through intelligence. Cunning. Metis."
- Enoch Root (Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon)
There's a copy of the novel in the hackerspace's library if you'd like to read it. I'd highly recommend it.
As for what it's doing there, my multiplexer wasn't setting titles properly, I've fixed that since (though I haven't committed my changes to the master repo.)
> r u running an x11 server on a mac so u can use xmonad? > aren't there any focusing or window cycling problems with it?
That screenshot isn't from my Macintosh, it's on my netbook (which is running Arch GNU/Linux.) I haven't used Quartz+XMonad, but I have a mirror of my netbook's setup in a virtual machine on the Mac.
> (btw, since xmonad is a tiling wm, what does that window > doing *on top of* the other one? :)
It's a persistent floating buffer I use to access programs I use often, as well as functioning as a scratchpad (see my previous email.)
> can u share your ~/.screenrc, pls? > (i like the center aligned window names)
I'm using tmux as my multiplexer. You can pull a (somewhat outdated version) of it's configuration from my dotfiles repository:
> "Instead of calling Athena the goddess of war, wisdom, and macrame, > then, we should say war and technology. And here again we have the > problem of an overlap with the jurisdiction of Ares, who's supposed to > be the god of war. And let's just say that Ares is a complete asshole. > His personal aides are Fear and Terror and sometimes Strife. He is > constantly at odds with Athena even though--maybe because--they are > nominally the god and goddess of the same thing--war. Heracles, who is > one of Athena's human proteges, physically wounds Ares on two > occasions, and even strips him of his weapons at one point! You see > the fascinating thing about Ares is that he's completely incompetent. > He's chained up by a couple of giants and imprisoned in a bronze > vessel for thirteen months. He's wounded by one of Odysseus's drinking > buddies during the Iliad. Athena knocks him out with a rock at one > point. When he's not making a complete idiot of himself in battle, > he's screwing every human female he can get his hands on, and--get > this--his sons are all what we would today call serial killers. And so > it seems very clear to me that Ares really was a god of war as such an > entity would be recognized by people who were involved in wars all the > time, and had a really clear idea of just how stupid and ugly wars > are.
> Whereas Athena is famous for being the backer of Odysseus, who, let's > not forget, is the guy who comes up with the idea for the Trojan > Horse. Athena guides both Odysseus and Heracles through their > struggles, and although both of these guys are excellent fighters, > they win most of their battles through cunning or (less pejoratively) > metis. And although both of them engage in violence pretty freely > (Odysseus likes to call himself 'sacker of cities') it's clear that > they are being held up in opposition to the kind of mindless, raging > violence associated with Ares and his offspring--Heracles even > personally rids the world of a few of Ares's psychopathic sons. I > mean, the records aren't totally clear--it's not like you can go to > the Thebes County Courthouse and look up the death certificates on > these guys--but it appears that Heracles, backed up by Athena all the > way, personally murders at least half of the Hannibal Lecterish > offspring of Ares.
> So insofar as Athena is a goddess of war, what really do we mean by > that? Note that her most famous weapon is not her sword but her shield > Aegis, and Aegis has a gorgon's head on it, so that anyone who attacks > her is in serious danger of being turned to stone. She's always > described as being calm and majestic, neither of which adjectives > anyone ever applied to Ares....
> Let's face it, Randy, we've all known guys like Ares. The pattern of > human behavior that caused the internal mental representation known as > Ares to appear in the minds of the ancient Greeks is very much with us > today, in the form of terrorists, serial killers, riots, pogroms, and > agressive tinhorn dictators who turn out to be military incompetents. > And yet for all their stupidity and incompetence, people like that can > conquer and control large chunks of the world if they are not > resisted....
> Who is going to fight them off, Randy?
> Sometimes it might be other Ares-worshippers, as when Iran and Iraq > went to war and no one cared who won. But if Ares-worshippers aren't > going to end up running the whole world, someone needs to do violence > to them. This isn't very nice, but it's a fact: civilization requires > an Aegis. And the only way to fight the bastards off in the end is > through intelligence. Cunning. Metis."
> - Enoch Root (Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon)
> There's a copy of the novel in the hackerspace's library if you'd like > to read it. I'd highly recommend it.
> As for what it's doing there, my multiplexer wasn't setting titles > properly, I've fixed that since (though I haven't committed my changes > to the master repo.)
> > r u running an x11 server on a mac so u can use xmonad? > > aren't there any focusing or window cycling problems with it?
> That screenshot isn't from my Macintosh, it's on my netbook (which is > running Arch GNU/Linux.) I haven't used Quartz+XMonad, but I have a > mirror of my netbook's setup in a virtual machine on the Mac.
> > (btw, since xmonad is a tiling wm, what does that window > > doing *on top of* the other one? :)
> It's a persistent floating buffer I use to access programs I use often, > as well as functioning as a scratchpad (see my previous email.)
> > can u share your ~/.screenrc, pls? > > (i like the center aligned window names)
> I'm using tmux as my multiplexer. You can pull a (somewhat outdated > version) of it's configuration from my dotfiles repository:
