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Tee Emm

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Feb 4, 2008, 3:25:41 AM2/4/08
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From: http://www.chowrangi.com/linkdotnet-new-player-in-pakistani-broadband-market.html

On Sunday, leading newspapers of Pakistan displayed full-page advertisement of LinkdotNet, another broadband service provider in town.


LinkdotNet is a product of Egyptian Telco Orascom Telecom Company. LinkdotNet is working in Egypt since 2000 and has presence in UAE and Saudi Arabia.

Orascom, with Mobilink under its belt, acquired two Pakistani ISPs WOL and Dancom and merged them to launch LinkdotNet in Pakistan.

Operating from Lahore, LinkdotNet Pakistan offers broadband Internet through DSL and WiMAX technologies for the Home and Corporate users along with the traditional Dialup Internet.

LinkdotNet is CMMI Level 3 accredited and ISO 9001:2000 certified. It has a technology solutions wing, Linkdev, that is Microsoft Gold Certified Partner in Business Process and Integration, Custom Development Solutions, Information Worker Solutions, Microsoft Business Solutions and Advanced Infrastructure Solutions.

While Orascom has penetrated Pakistani market through Mobilink, providing broadband services is another ball game. We have already seen Wateen, Warid's sibling, fumbling with early-bird Wimax customers.

Also, LinkdotNet has selected an inappropriate launch date. Internet connectivity is at its low in Pakistan due to the under-sea cable snap. LinkdotNet, a FLAG provider, is badly effected in Egypt, its home-base, where people are already not too fond of it (here and here).

In any case, LinkdotNet is going to bring competition which will be good for us, the consumers.

Rehan Allah Wala

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Feb 4, 2008, 6:58:14 PM2/4/08
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I called them up on Saturday, and the rates they are offering are very good

1200 rupees for 256kpbs Unlimited
3900 for 1 meg unlimited


No Setup Feee

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Sajjad Zaidi

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Feb 4, 2008, 8:18:34 AM2/4/08
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These are shared packages I'm sure though would still be a lot better than some of the other options. I'd be glad to shell out 3,900 for a 1Mbps unlimited package (even if shared), especially if it came with a fixed IP.

Hassan Shabbir

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Feb 4, 2008, 8:18:20 AM2/4/08
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They aren't covering major portions of karachi .. I tried for a number in Gulshan -e- Iqbal .. "service comming soon" .. then Gulistan -e- Juhar .. again "service comming soon" .. then Malir Cantt and the good old response again .. so I think they do require a little time to spread up a lil.

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Shiraz

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Feb 4, 2008, 3:59:24 PM2/4/08
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They might charge some amount for static IP in addition to the package price.
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H.M

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Feb 6, 2008, 1:51:05 AM2/6/08
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Another interesting fact is that they are not a totally New Company
they are a new name of WOL,or u can say WOL undera new management.

Link Dot Net Back end is all WOL,personally I have got no problem with
WOLservices but i think they must have brought WOLto Link Dot net
international standard and also upto their trademark name.I have been
Wol's both DSL & Dialup and I was satisfied with their services.

On Feb 5, 1:59 am, Shiraz <shira...@gmail.com> wrote:
> They might charge some amount for static IP in addition to the package
> price.
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Imtiaz Noor

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Feb 6, 2008, 1:56:17 AM2/6/08
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They are WOL and Dancom combined.

Yes, WOL has had great DSL and Dial up and we see the same happening here.

We have signed up today, but need a copper line to deploy, hopefully that will be ready by tomorrow. Let's see how this one rolls out.




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H.M

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Feb 6, 2008, 2:26:52 AM2/6/08
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Yes it is WOL & Dancom combined but not the whole Dancom ,Orascom
bought only Dancom Online.

Dancom Pvt Ltd still holds LDI,Calling Cards & Pay Phone services with
themselves.

Apart the rates they are offering were already being offered by WOL to
its Loyal cusotmers since last few months.Lets see how is the service
under a new Banner now.

On Feb 6, 11:56 am, "Imtiaz Noor" <inspi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> They are WOL and Dancom combined.
>
> Yes, WOL has had great DSL and Dial up and we see the same happening here.
>
> We have signed up today, but need a copper line to deploy, hopefully that
> will be ready by tomorrow. Let's see how this one rolls out.
>
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> > > > > Don't Remember Me ? Visithttp://www.Rehan.com
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Feb 13, 2008, 11:32:43 AM2/13/08
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The service quality must be good but what is "Changing the way you live"? That's a funny way to advertise for a broadband company in Pakistan - in a country where your aim for broadband service is based on "reach" and people understanding that the theme is for a company selling internet and not some difficult to understand thing. These guys need to workup their image with inline to rural and urban adjustments. However, entirely not their fault, most of the advertising agencies and marketing people in Pakistani telecom and internet comapnies have worked in monoply conditions for too long where anything could be sold by saying anything, so a lot of these people come short of branding experience in rapid environments. In the then days the internet brands were built down-side up (from retail) people recognized ads after trying the products and now its upside down where people need to know and understand the option first in order to try it out.

Shakeel Ahmad

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Feb 13, 2008, 1:59:27 PM2/13/08
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I have a feedback from one of my friend - he signed up for 1 MB DSL - next day telephone bill & documents were collected by staff and his link was operational in next 6 days. He is currently getting around 4Mbps down and 512kbps up - perhaps a start with no cap on it and getting a public dynamic IP as well. So far so good.

I think this introduction of no-quota tariff has pushed PTCL to modify its package for a free download period after 1 AM at night. Lets wait for others to follow.

Shakeel

Shiraz

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Feb 13, 2008, 2:44:30 PM2/13/08
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He's getting 4Mb on a 1Mb circuit?? Is he using PTCL or Linkdotnet?

Shakeel Ahmad

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Feb 13, 2008, 2:48:43 PM2/13/08
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Off course PTCL line :) Exchange is Samanabad Lahore.

Mansoor Adenwala

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Feb 13, 2008, 3:19:57 PM2/13/08
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Sounds good. Which city did your friend sign up for it in?

 

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Mansoor Adenwala

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Feb 13, 2008, 3:19:57 PM2/13/08
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Sounds good. Which city did your friend sign up for it in?

 

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From: telecom-gr...@googlegroups.com [mailto:telecom-gr...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shakeel Ahmad
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Subject: Re: LinkdotNet

 

I have a feedback from one of my friend - he signed up for 1 MB DSL - next day telephone bill & documents were collected by staff and his link was operational in next 6 days. He is currently getting around 4Mbps down and 512kbps up - perhaps a start with no cap on it and getting a public dynamic IP as well. So far so good.

Ayad Aftab

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Feb 14, 2008, 9:23:52 AM2/14/08
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He must be using LinkDotNet's service on Ptcl line (ofcourse).
BTW, it is possible to get 4Mbps on a 1Mbps signed-up circuit:
  • Average bandwidth (read Line rate), for ADSL, as measured on copper pair from local DSLAM to CPE is about 3.5 to 4.5 MB on a good line.
  • Most CPEs are Ethernet based and hence the user gets connected to his/her CPE on 10/100 Mbps.
  • His service provider (Linkdot) must have not activated the cap on his connection.
Equation resolved! :)

zi shan

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Feb 14, 2008, 3:38:38 PM2/14/08
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1-Its very rare attaining whooping throughput of 4mb even 2mb is very rare on current pure Copper burried by PTCL venturers with hybrid solutions scheme commisioned on ZTE, LUCENT & PYRADINE DSLAM'S circuits , if so is the case your friend either sitting in close vicinity of MDF or using an ONU line. yes theoratically 24Mbits are possible by PPPOE & ADSL2 standards.
 
2- yes in my personal capacity i must say LINK-DOT-NET came up with real world trend of no restrictions irrespective what so ever you download not fixing quotas is going to be a real threat for PTCL & other DSL operators . Regarding to that merger of WOL & DANCOM together in LINK-DOT-NET  and above all preparing a strategic move by waiting for at least months after finalization of the deal & tookover means something they have in there minds to provide service keeping  QOS issues in mind.
 
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Rizwan Sarwar

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Feb 15, 2008, 3:47:05 AM2/15/08
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On standard ADSL it is pretty easy to get upto 4Mb (Sync speed, not the
actual download) if you are within 4Km of the exchange with a good
copper line with very low SNR. See the link below.

http://i18.tinypic.com/6xrdweb.jpg

This graph seems to be pretty close to real life observations with UK
copper line. I am not sure how good the SNR is for most people within
4Km radius of exchange in Pakistan. There are other factors to consider
too, the SNR increases slightly in colder conditions, so it in theory it
should be slightly better in Pakistan as it is warmer climate most of
the times. ADSL2+ however suffers on longer distances, you have to be
within 2Km radius to get 8Mb or so, the exchange density in major cities
of Pakistan is not very high, I certainly can not see ADSL2+ being
rolled out by BT without having to take a major stab at their
infrastructure, perhaps that is why most providers are turning to WiMax
or 3G for medias that can give them greater throughput.


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zi shan wrote:
> 1-Its very rare attaining whooping throughput of 4mb even 2mb is very
> rare on current pure Copper burried by PTCL venturers with hybrid
> solutions scheme commisioned on ZTE, LUCENT & PYRADINE DSLAM'S
> circuits , if so is the case your friend either sitting in close
> vicinity of MDF or using an ONU line. yes theoratically 24Mbits are
> possible by PPPOE & ADSL2 standards.
>
> 2- yes in my personal capacity i must say LINK-DOT-NET came up with
> real world trend of no restrictions irrespective what so ever you
> download not fixing quotas is going to be a real threat for PTCL &
> other DSL operators . Regarding to that merger of WOL & DANCOM
> together in LINK-DOT-NET and above all preparing a strategic move by
> waiting for at least months after finalization of the deal & tookover
> means something they have in there minds to provide service keeping
> QOS issues in mind.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Ayad Aftab <aya...@gmail.com
> <mailto:aya...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> He must be using LinkDotNet's service on Ptcl line (ofcourse).
> BTW, it is possible to get 4Mbps on a 1Mbps signed-up circuit:
>

> * Average bandwidth (read Line rate), for ADSL, as measured on


> copper pair from local DSLAM to CPE is about 3.5 to 4.5 MB
> on a good line.

> * Most CPEs are Ethernet based and hence the user gets


> connected to his/her CPE on 10/100 Mbps.

> * His service provider (Linkdot) must have not activated the


> cap on his connection.
>
> Equation resolved! :)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Shiraz <shir...@gmail.com
> <mailto:shir...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> He's getting 4Mb on a 1Mb circuit?? Is he using PTCL or
> Linkdotnet?
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 11:59 PM, Shakeel Ahmad

> <shakee...@gmail.com <mailto:shakee...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I have a feedback from one of my friend - he signed up for
> 1 MB DSL - next day telephone bill & documents were
> collected by staff and his link was operational in next 6
> days. He is currently getting around 4Mbps down and
> 512kbps up - perhaps a start with no cap on it and getting
> a public dynamic IP as well. So far so good.
>
> I think this introduction of no-quota tariff has pushed
> PTCL to modify its package for a free download period
> after 1 AM at night. Lets wait for others to follow.
>
> Shakeel
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 9:32 PM, bmug...@gmail.com

> <mailto:bmug...@gmail.com> <bmug...@gmail.com


> <mailto:bmug...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The service quality must be good but what is "Changing
> the way you live"? That's a funny way to advertise for
> a broadband company in Pakistan - in a country where
> your aim for broadband service is based on "reach" and
> people understanding that the theme is for a company
> selling internet and not some difficult to understand
> thing. These guys need to workup their image with
> inline to rural and urban adjustments. However,
> entirely not their fault, most of the advertising
> agencies and marketing people in Pakistani telecom and
> internet comapnies have worked in monoply conditions
> for too long where anything could be sold by saying
> anything, so a lot of these people come short of
> branding experience in rapid environments. In the then
> days the internet brands were built down-side up (from
> retail) people recognized ads after trying the
> products and now its upside down where people need to
> know and understand the option first in order to try
> it out.
>

> On 2/4/08, *Tee Emm* <tariq....@gmail.com


> <mailto:tariq....@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> From:
> http://www.chowrangi.com/linkdotnet-new-player-in-pakistani-broadband-market.html
>
> On Sunday, leading newspapers of Pakistan
> displayed full-page advertisement of LinkdotNet,
> another broadband service provider in town.
>
>
>

> LinkdotNet <http://www.link.net/> is a product of


> Egyptian Telco Orascom Telecom Company

> <http://www.orascomtelecom.com/>. LinkdotNet is


> working in Egypt since 2000 and has presence in
> UAE and Saudi Arabia.
>
> Orascom, with Mobilink

> <http://www.mobilinkgsm.com/> under its belt,


> acquired two Pakistani ISPs WOL and Dancom and
> merged them to launch LinkdotNet in Pakistan.
>
> Operating from Lahore, LinkdotNet Pakistan

> <http://www.link.net.pk/> offers broadband


> Internet through DSL and WiMAX technologies for
> the Home and Corporate users along with the
> traditional Dialup Internet.
>
> LinkdotNet is CMMI Level 3 accredited and ISO
> 9001:2000 certified. It has a technology solutions

> wing, Linkdev <http://www.linkdev.com/>, that is


> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner in Business
> Process and Integration, Custom Development
> Solutions, Information Worker Solutions, Microsoft
> Business Solutions and Advanced Infrastructure
> Solutions.
>
> While Orascom has penetrated Pakistani market
> through Mobilink, providing broadband services is
> another ball game. We have already seen Wateen,
> Warid's sibling, fumbling with early-bird Wimax
> customers.
>
> Also, LinkdotNet has selected an inappropriate
> launch date. Internet connectivity is at its low
> in Pakistan due to the under-sea cable snap.
> LinkdotNet, a FLAG provider, is badly effected in
> Egypt

> <http://egyptianchronicles.blogspot.com/2008/01/egypt-without-internet.html>,


> its home-base, where people are already not too
> fond of it (here

> <http://www.chris-hartman.com/?q=node/32> and here
> <http://mydayhere.blogspot.com/2006/01/linkdotnet-sucks.html>).

H.M

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Feb 15, 2008, 11:28:54 AM2/15/08
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Bascially it is not necessory that this 1 Mbps circuit is always CIR 4
Mbps but it might be 4Mbps EIR which is very common in UK.

I think Link Dot Net are doing amazing Marketing by entertaining its
cusotmers with good services giving burstable EIR .
> >     On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Shiraz <shira...@gmail.com
> >     <mailto:shira...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >         He's getting 4Mb on a 1Mb circuit?? Is he using PTCL or
> >         Linkdotnet?
>
> >         On Feb 13, 2008 11:59 PM, Shakeel Ahmad
> >         <shakeelah...@gmail.com <mailto:shakeelah...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >             I have a feedback from one of my friend - he signed up for
> >             1 MB DSL - next day telephone bill & documents were
> >             collected by staff and his link was operational in next 6
> >             days. He is currently getting around 4Mbps down and
> >             512kbps up - perhaps a start with no cap on it and getting
> >             a public dynamic IP as well. So far so good.
>
> >             I think this introduction of no-quota tariff has pushed
> >             PTCL to modify its package for a free download period
> >             after 1 AM at night. Lets wait for others to follow.
>
> >             Shakeel
>
> >             On Feb 13, 2008 9:32 PM, bmugh...@gmail.com
> >             <mailto:bmugh...@gmail.com> <bmugh...@gmail.com
> >             <mailto:bmugh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >                 The service quality must be good but what is "Changing
> >                 the way you live"? That's a funny way to advertise for
> >                 a broadband company in Pakistan - in a country where
> >                 your aim for broadband service is based on "reach" and
> >                 people understanding that the theme is for a company
> >                 selling internet and not some difficult to understand
> >                 thing. These guys need to workup their image with
> >                 inline to rural and urban adjustments. However,
> >                 entirely not their fault, most of the advertising
> >                 agencies and marketing people in Pakistani telecom and
> >                 internet comapnies have worked in monoply conditions
> >                 for too long where anything could be sold by saying
> >                 anything, so a lot of these people come short of
> >                 branding experience in rapid environments. In the then
> >                 days the internet brands were built down-side up (from
> >                 retail) people recognized ads after trying the
> >                 products and now its upside down where people need to
> >                 know and understand the option first in order to try
> >                 it out.
>
> >                 On 2/4/08, *Tee Emm* <tariq.must...@gmail.com
> >                 <mailto:tariq.must...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >                     <http://egyptianchronicles.blogspot.com/2008/01/egypt-without-internet...>,
> >                     its home-base, where people are already not too
> >                     fond of it (here
> >                     <http://www.chris-hartman.com/?q=node/32> and here
> >                     <http://mydayhere.blogspot.com/2006/01/linkdotnet-sucks.html>).
>
> >                     In any case, LinkdotNet is going to bring
> >                     competition which will be good for us, the consumers.
>
> >     --
> >     "Isn't it a shame that nights go by and I do not increase in
> >     knowledge, yet this time is counted as part of my life?" - Al-Sha'fi
>
> >               Zeeshan Tariq
> >               Technical Support Engineer(SUN)
> >     Techaccess Pakistan (Pvt.) Ltd.
> >     Tel: +9251 2856740-3 (4 Lines)
> >     Cell: +923335271777
> >     Fax: +9251 2856744
> >     URL:http://www.techaccesspak.com- Hide quoted text -

Shakeel Ahmad

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Feb 15, 2008, 1:47:56 PM2/15/08
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I've actually got some more details - his total distance from exchange is 1.8 KM (not sure if its ONU based) - he actually got consistent 6Mbps for a day but he faced disconnection issues say 3 times in an hour. For this he manually changed the modulation on the DSL
modem but now he has changed his modulation to 1.5 Mbps and so far he have no issue like disconnection and getting consistent 1Meg.

Also attaching MRTG for his DSL interface :)
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