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Subject: Re: Shall Pakistan go for 3G or skip it altogether!!!
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:49:15 +0500
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Riaz,

Online booking, banking, paying bills we are doing everything in =
Pakistan,  Online stores are plenty and growing everyday.

Once the super stores come online and start doing the deliveries,  sure =
we can order our slice of ribs, bread, eggs, salad dressing and cinamon =
biscuits online from black berry in our car while driving back home=20

we are not too far

thats 2.5 cents worth,

JS
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Riaz Marwat=20
  To: telecom-grid-pakistan@googlegroups.com=20
  Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:52 AM
  Subject: Re: Shall Pakistan go for 3G or skip it altogether!!!


  Well why do you need speeds in excess of 100Mbps in Pakistan in the =
first place is the question to be asked. We, in pakistan use internet =
mostly for FB, Wiki, youtube, gaming, movie downloads,email exchanges =
and chat services. The countries that are going for the super speed =
networks need them becuase they have more uses for them. I live in =
australia, and let me tell you i can get everything done here via =
internet., be it buying a ticket for local trains/buses, checking my =
bank account, transferring money,paying my bills, buying groceries from =
local super store etc etc. tell me if we can do the same in Pakistan =
using internet.  Unless our ppl can do most of the daily choirs using =
internet, i dont think having networks like LTE will make for a good =
business case.

  Regards

  Riaz


  On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM, misbahabdul...@googlemail.com =
<misbahabdul...@googlemail.com> wrote:

    IMHO, the consumer behaviour towards WiMAX should be a good =
benchmark
    for predicting if Pakis are looking for high speed data.
    WiMAX in Pak doesnt support mobility but I wonder if a large
    population really needs 4MBPS on the move. People are not even going
    for 2MBPS while being in the home :( Neither Wimax nor EVDO =
attracted
    huge subscribers, so what's the question of UMTS/LTE?
    In this sequel, the need for 3G/4G seems a distant thought. Also, we
    need to mind the constantly declining disposable income of Pakis =
which
    will check their spending.

    --
    MisbahUddin Abdullah


    On Jun 2, 1:25 am, Zarrar Hasham Khan <zarrar.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Hi folks,
    >
    > I have just come back from attending the LTE World Conference last =
week.
    > As you know LTE is a 4G technology (using OFDMA as multiple access
    > scheme) that can provide bit peak rates of over 140Mbps. The LTE =
is
    > governed and standardized by 3GPP2 and can work in any of the GSM =
and 3G
    > bands in addition to 2.6GHz and 700MHz (Digital dividend) bands.
    >
    > I work in Kuwait for a 3G network operator and we are using the =
most top
    > end version of 3G available (HSPA+ 21.6Mbps), still at times it is
    > difficult to meet the demands. 3G USB is very successful in Kuwait =
and
    > generally for my network the cost is $83 per month with unlimited
    > downloads. Average download speeds are in the range 1.5 - 2.5Mbps =
per
    > subscriber (You can get upto 4Mbps during off peak in low =
congestion
    > areas).Despite having the latest and greatest in 3G, it is evident =
that
    > in a couple of year (or earlier) we will have to move to LTE.
    >
    > Telecom Industry in Pakistan is now standing at a juncture where =
it need
    > to decide if 3G remains a viable option any more. I know for a =
fact that
    > most of the equipment installed in Pakistan by Mobile operators =
can
    > support 4G without much investment (Just RF cards and Software =
upgrade)
    > barring the legacy equipment (which is at end of life in any =
case). In
    > 4G there is no MSC, no BSC/RNC, no HLR, etc. Infact your base =
station
    > (eNode-B) is directly connected to the SGSN (Service Gateway =
Router)
    > which is connected to GGSN (Internet Gateway Router). The most =
pressing
    > need for LTE is transmission to serve upto 100Mbps per site.
    >
    > I think that the government should give the 2600Mhz license for =
LTE to
    > three operators who commit to meet rollout schedules for no =
payment.
    > Additionally, we must use the digital dividend band for rural =
internet
    > communication. Our target must be to provide broadband access =
(1Mbps+)
    > to 75% of Pakistan's population by 2015. I understand that the USF
    > funding that is being collected by government should be spent to =
install
    > optical network both at the metro levels and also to connect every
    > single village with population above 5,000.
    >
    > I was fortunate to meet a lot of operators form developed =
countries and
    > one thing that sets them apart from us is the level of work that =
is done
    > by non-profit groups and collaborative initiatives to develop =
telecom in
    > their countries. It seems that the regulators have really taken a =
back
    > seat. Example are IEEE, 3GPP, LSTI, Nordic Forum, etc. I feel that =
the
    > time is ripe that the stake holders in Pakistan  rise to the =
occasion
    > and atleast come up with a roadmap for the next 5 years regarding =
where
    > we want to be. This roadmap is the need of the hour as I am told =
by
    > almost everyone that our regulator does not seem to have the =
capacity,
    > capability or credibility to come up with anything worthwhile.
    >
    > When I was at Mobilink, I remember that Telenor started a great
    > initiative where the CTO's used to meet over a cup of coffee to
    > informally discuss industry related issues. You cannot believe how =
many
    > issues got solved over that. I am not sure if that is still =
happening.
    >
    > Any takers???
    >
    > Zarrar

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DCandara>Riaz,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DCandara></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DCandara>Online booking, banking, =
paying bills we=20
are doing everything in Pakistan,&nbsp; Online stores are plenty and =
growing=20
everyday.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DCandara></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DCandara>Once the super stores come =
online and=20
start doing the deliveries,&nbsp; sure we can order our slice of ribs, =
bread,=20
eggs, salad dressing and cinamon biscuits online from black berry in our =
car=20
while driving back home </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DCandara></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DCandara>we are not too =
far</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DCandara></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DCandara>thats 2.5 cents =
worth,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DCandara></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DCandara>JS</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dinvisible.riazmar...@gmail.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:invisible.riazmar...@gmail.com">Riaz Marwat</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3Dtelecom-grid-pakistan@googlegroups.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:telecom-grid-pakistan@googlegroups.com">telecom-grid-pakis=
tan@googlegroups.com</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 07, 2010 =
10:52=20
AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Shall Pakistan go =
for 3G or=20
  skip it altogether!!!</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Well why do you need speeds in excess of 100Mbps in =
Pakistan in=20
  the first place is the question to be asked. We, in pakistan use =
internet=20
  mostly for FB, Wiki, youtube, gaming, movie downloads,email exchanges =
and chat=20
  services. The countries that are going for the super speed networks =
need them=20
  becuase they have more uses for them. I live in australia, and let me =
tell you=20
  i can get everything done here via internet., be it buying a ticket =
for local=20
  trains/buses, checking my bank account, transferring money,paying my =
bills,=20
  buying groceries from local super store etc etc. tell me if we can do =
the same=20
  in Pakistan using internet.&nbsp; Unless our ppl can do most of the =
daily=20
  choirs using internet, i dont think having networks like LTE will make =
for a=20
  good business case.<BR><BR>Regards<BR><BR>Riaz<BR><BR>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM, <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:misbahabdul...@googlemail.com">misbahabdul...@googlemail.c=
om</A>=20
  <SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:misbahabdul...@googlemail.com">misbahabdul...@googlemail.c=
om</A>&gt;</SPAN>=20
  wrote:<BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt =
0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"=20
  class=3Dgmail_quote>IMHO, the consumer behaviour towards WiMAX should =
be a=20
    good benchmark<BR>for predicting if Pakis are looking for high speed =

    data.<BR>WiMAX in Pak doesnt support mobility but I wonder if a=20
    large<BR>population really needs 4MBPS on the move. People are not =
even=20
    going<BR>for 2MBPS while being in the home :( Neither Wimax nor EVDO =

    attracted<BR>huge subscribers, so what's the question of =
UMTS/LTE?<BR>In=20
    this sequel, the need for 3G/4G seems a distant thought. Also, =
we<BR>need to=20
    mind the constantly declining disposable income of Pakis =
which<BR>will check=20
    their spending.<BR><FONT color=3D#888888><BR>--<BR>MisbahUddin=20
    Abdullah<BR></FONT>
    <DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dh5><BR>On Jun 2, 1:25&nbsp;am, Zarrar Hasham Khan =
&lt;<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:zarrar.k...@gmail.com">zarrar.k...@gmail.com</A>&gt;=20
    wrote:<BR>&gt; Hi folks,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; I have just come back from=20
    attending the LTE World Conference last week.<BR>&gt; As you know =
LTE is a=20
    4G technology (using OFDMA as multiple access<BR>&gt; scheme) that =
can=20
    provide bit peak rates of over 140Mbps. The LTE is<BR>&gt; governed =
and=20
    standardized by 3GPP2 and can work in any of the GSM and 3G<BR>&gt; =
bands in=20
    addition to 2.6GHz and 700MHz (Digital dividend) =
bands.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; I=20
    work in Kuwait for a 3G network operator and we are using the most=20
    top<BR>&gt; end version of 3G available (HSPA+ 21.6Mbps), still at =
times it=20
    is<BR>&gt; difficult to meet the demands. 3G USB is very successful =
in=20
    Kuwait and<BR>&gt; generally for my network the cost is $83 per =
month with=20
    unlimited<BR>&gt; downloads. Average download speeds are in the =
range 1.5 -=20
    2.5Mbps per<BR>&gt; subscriber (You can get upto 4Mbps during off =
peak in=20
    low congestion<BR>&gt; areas).Despite having the latest and greatest =
in 3G,=20
    it is evident that<BR>&gt; in a couple of year (or earlier) we will =
have to=20
    move to LTE.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Telecom Industry in Pakistan is now =
standing at=20
    a juncture where it need<BR>&gt; to decide if 3G remains a viable =
option any=20
    more. I know for a fact that<BR>&gt; most of the equipment installed =
in=20
    Pakistan by Mobile operators can<BR>&gt; support 4G without much =
investment=20
    (Just RF cards and Software upgrade)<BR>&gt; barring the legacy =
equipment=20
    (which is at end of life in any case). In<BR>&gt; 4G there is no =
MSC, no=20
    BSC/RNC, no HLR, etc. Infact your base station<BR>&gt; (eNode-B) is =
directly=20
    connected to the SGSN (Service Gateway Router)<BR>&gt; which is =
connected to=20
    GGSN (Internet Gateway Router). The most pressing<BR>&gt; need for =
LTE is=20
    transmission to serve upto 100Mbps per site.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; I think =
that=20
    the government should give the 2600Mhz license for LTE to<BR>&gt; =
three=20
    operators who commit to meet rollout schedules for no =
payment.<BR>&gt;=20
    Additionally, we must use the digital dividend band for rural=20
    internet<BR>&gt; communication. Our target must be to provide =
broadband=20
    access (1Mbps+)<BR>&gt; to 75% of Pakistan's population by 2015. I=20
    understand that the USF<BR>&gt; funding that is being collected by=20
    government should be spent to install<BR>&gt; optical network both =
at the=20
    metro levels and also to connect every<BR>&gt; single village with=20
    population above 5,000.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; I was fortunate to meet a =
lot of=20
    operators form developed countries and<BR>&gt; one thing that sets =
them=20
    apart from us is the level of work that is done<BR>&gt; by =
non-profit groups=20
    and collaborative initiatives to develop telecom in<BR>&gt; their =
countries.=20
    It seems that the regulators have really taken a back<BR>&gt; seat. =
Example=20
    are IEEE, 3GPP, LSTI, Nordic Forum, etc. I feel that the<BR>&gt; =
time is=20
    ripe that the stake holders in Pakistan &nbsp;rise to the =
occasion<BR>&gt;=20
    and atleast come up with a roadmap for the next 5 years regarding=20
    where<BR>&gt; we want to be. This roadmap is the need of the hour as =
I am=20
    told by<BR>&gt; almost everyone that our regulator does not seem to =
have the=20
    capacity,<BR>&gt; capability or credibility to come up with anything =

    worthwhile.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; When I was at Mobilink, I remember that =
Telenor=20
    started a great<BR>&gt; initiative where the CTO's used to meet over =
a cup=20
    of coffee to<BR>&gt; informally discuss industry related issues. You =
cannot=20
    believe how many<BR>&gt; issues got solved over that. I am not sure =
if that=20
    is still happening.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Any takers???<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
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