Impact of Severe Flood on Long Haul Network in Pakistan

[Muhammad Anees Ur Rahman]

Dear All,

I have heard a news from my friend working in leading ISP having a
long haul network across Pakistan and he told me that recent flood in
Pakistan is also creating hurdles to protect their long haul infra as
in many areas, they are unable to secure / repair OFC. Can anybody
share more on this? Also confirm how much this flood is causing a loss
to Telecoms sector.

Regards,

Muhammad Anees Ur Rahman
محمّد انیس الرحمٰن

[asif choudhry]

well, this all due to negligence of Fiber O&M team of said ISP. They should took preventive measures to avoid this situation and cover the area where flood has been projected.

Anyway the affect on GSM shall be black out between regions if primary path of fiber has affected due to flood and same time second redundant path also goes down.

now again its depend on O&M team that how they are planing to avoid this situation. And as per SLA any natural disasters shall not be cover any financial losses during this situation.

Further the long haul operators may share their networks with other long haul operators with some STM,s to caring critical traffic and data to avoid complete black out.

BR

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[Zaeem Arshad]

How do you cover the area that a flood is supposed to hit?

[Adnan Aslam]

 the catastrophe of this magnitude is a force majeure! 

Adnan Aslam

[Syed Obaid Nasir]

Oh come on asif choudhry, this has to be the worst ever floods since 1929. The period during which there were no long haul fiber based networks. Agreed that there are no risk/disaster management in place, but calamities like these where displaced people and number of affected businesses cannot be estimated become kinda out of control.

Just compare the given images released by NASA and you will know that how three provinces have submerged into water.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=44991

regards,

Obaid-

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Zaeem Arshad <zaeem....@gmail.com> wrote:

[Majid Farid]

These things are part of DR plan that we have discussed multiple times
on this forum. Its responsibility of the Telecom company to ensure
emergency coverage to effected areas however since the budgets are
squeezed Telecom companies in Pakistan have near to none DR plan in
place.

One of our US customer have 200 people just for DR & BCP purposes.
They have their own fire trucks etc.. to ensure that 911 services are
up in case of natural calamities. I am certain that none of the
telecom companies have tie ups with met department etc.

On the same note no matter how much you plan its really hard to ensure
service availability in such cases but doing nothing about it should
be punishable by PTA as well.

/Majid

On Aug 10, 11:25 am, Zaeem Arshad <zaeem.ars...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How do you cover the area that a flood is supposed to hit?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:16 AM, asif choudhry <choudhry.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > well, this all due to negligence of Fiber O&M team of said ISP. They should
> > took preventive measures to avoid this situation and cover the area where
> > flood has been projected.
> > Anyway the affect on GSM shall be black out between regions if primary path
> > of fiber has affected due to flood and same time second redundant path also
> > goes down.
> > now again its depend on O&M team that how they are planing to avoid this
> > situation. And as per SLA any natural disasters shall not be cover any
> > financial losses during this situation.
> > Further the long haul operators may share their networks with other long
> > haul operators with some STM,s to caring critical traffic and data to avoid
> > complete black out.
>
> > BR
>

> > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Muhammad Anees Ur Rahman <anee...@gmail.com>

[asif choudhry]

bypass the area where flood hits massively through temporarily 6 core fiber on flood saving banks (BUNDS) preventive measures as mention my previous mail. Further as mention Adnan Sb, for force majeure already mention in my previous mail.  

cellular companies earning a good amount, can be incurred some amount for rerouting to avoid such situations. All depends on plan!!!!

Further analyse the supply chain management during wars in any country........

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Zaeem Arshad <zaeem....@gmail.com> wrote:

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Asif Choudhry

[H.M]

Well in the situation where basic infrastructure like
houses,roads,dams,bridges are gone in the wind,then what is the point
of asking the questions about other infrastructure objects like
OFC,BTS, etc

Rgds

On Aug 10, 3:18 pm, asif choudhry <choudhry.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
> bypass the area where flood hits massively through temporarily 6 core fiber
> on flood saving banks (BUNDS) preventive measures as mention my previous
> mail. Further as mention Adnan Sb, for force majeure already mention in my
> previous mail.
>
> cellular companies earning a good amount, can be incurred some amount for
> rerouting to avoid such situations. All depends on plan!!!!
>
> Further analyse the supply chain management during wars in any
> country........
>

> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Zaeem Arshad <zaeem.ars...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > How do you cover the area that a flood is supposed to hit?
>

> > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:16 AM, asif choudhry <choudhry.a...@gmail.com>

> > wrote:
> > > well, this all due to negligence of Fiber O&M team of said ISP. They
> > should
> > > took preventive measures to avoid this situation and cover the area where
> > > flood has been projected.
> > > Anyway the affect on GSM shall be black out between regions if primary
> > path
> > > of fiber has affected due to flood and same time second redundant path
> > also
> > > goes down.
> > > now again its depend on O&M team that how they are planing to avoid this
> > > situation. And as per SLA any natural disasters shall not be cover any
> > > financial losses during this situation.
> > > Further the long haul operators may share their networks with other long
> > > haul operators with some STM,s to caring critical traffic and data to
> > avoid
> > > complete black out.
>
> > > BR
>
> > > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Muhammad Anees Ur Rahman <

> > anee...@gmail.com>

[Ahmed Sajjad Zaidi]

As long as communication channels remain open, there's hope of getting aid and rescue to the people who need it the most.

Ahmed S.

[asif choudhry]

Well! i am debating here only for Backbone not all Network Elements...............

[cK]

You also might want to take into consideration the insurance claims
being put forward due to these losses by the Telco's, someone
somewhere would definitely be going bankrupt due to them,

Anybody got figures ?

BR / Khurram

[Haris Shamsi]

Cellular companies in pakistan do have frequent communication with met departments, as well as they have their own security/recovery teams (i am not comparing the size with any US longhaul provider). I think keeping the environment in view where a company has so many challenges like Security, Monthly fees to tribes from where the fiber is through, no support from govt and difficult terrains i think cellcos are doing good.

There is infrastructure sharing happening already on the longhaul side, PTA was pushing it for the longest time also.

For recovery, accessibility is the major issue at this point may be, Best of the best planners/architects cant fore see such thing. Even in US fiber cuts happen where complete regions go dark. (if you dig NANOG mailing list you will find many examples)

In such situations the only concern should be whether the network managing the defense of the country is intact or not. Which i am sure will be because its in good hands.

/HS

 

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