Newest member of Project 6Core - Telenor Pakistan IPv6 Network

[FAHAD ALI KHAN]

Dear All

This is to inform you all the Telenor Pakistan has now become the part of Pakistan IPv6 Core Project i.e. 6Core.

Also it is reachable to IPv6 Internet...we are in planning to test & bring some IPv6 services online.

LG	Prefix	tld	NetName	Owner	AS	S	Allocated	First seen	Seen by	Last seen (*)
LG	2001:fe8::/32		SUPER-PK-IPV6-200503...	SUPERNET LIMITED		A	2005-03-29	2006-11-16 10:17:22	0%	2007-12-14 06:02:29
LG	2001:4538::/32		CYBERNET-ipv6-200602...	CYBER INTERNET SERVICES (...	9541	A	2006-03-01	2006-09-18 07:17:19	100%	2008-11-11 05:17:36	2006-09-27 05:47:21
LG	2401::/32		WOLNET	Cybersoft technologies pv...	23966	A	2006-11-03		0%	never
LG	2402:e000::/32		TPP-PK-20070913	Telenor Pakistan		A	2007-09-13	2008-11-10 17:32:39	99%	2008-11-11 05:17:36
LG	2404:148::/32		DANCOM-V6-20060602	Dancom Online Services	23966	A	2006-06-02	2006-08-22 13:02:21	100%	2008-11-11 05:17:36
LG	2406:7000::/32		worldcall-20080402	WORLDCALL TELECOM LTD		A	2008-04-03		0%	never
LG	2407:d000::/32		MICRONET-20080208	Micronet Broadband (Pvt) ...		A	2008-02-08		0%	never

Regards

Fahad Ali Khan
Pakistan IPv6 Task Force - Pkv6TF

[Haris Shamsi]

I encourage the other operators as well to atleast geyt the allocation
from APNIC, this is very imp - when we started this india was behind
us in terms of advertisements but now they have sensed the urgency and
way beyond us in testing the applications over ipv6

This is some work which will define the ip networks in future :)

On 11/11/08, FAHAD ALI KHAN <fahad....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear All
>
> This is to inform you all the Telenor Pakistan has now become the part of

> Pakistan IPv6 Core Project i.e. *6Core. *

>
> Also it is reachable to IPv6 Internet...we are in planning to test & bring
> some IPv6 services online.
>
> LGPrefixtldNetNameOwnerASSAllocatedFirst seenSeen byLast seen (*)

> LG<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2001:fe8::/32>
> 2001:fe8::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2001:fe8::/32> [image: [pk]
> Pakistan] SUPER-PK-IPV6-200503...
> <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=SUPER-PK-IPV6-20050329> SUPERNET

> LIMITED A 2005-03-29 2006-11-16 10:17:22 0% 2007-12-14

> 06:02:29<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2001:fe8::/32>
> LG <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2001:4538::/32>
> 2001:4538::/32<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2001:4538::/32>
> [image:
> [pk] Pakistan] CYBERNET-ipv6-200602...
> <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=CYBERNET-ipv6-20060229> CYBER
> INTERNET SERVICES (... 9541 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?AS9541> A

> 2006-03-01 2006-09-18 07:17:19 100% 2008-11-11

> 05:17:36<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2001:4538::/32>
> 2006-09-27
> 05:47:21 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2001:4538::/35>
> LG<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2401::/32>
> 2401::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2401::/32> [image: [pk]
> Pakistan] WOLNET <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=WOLNET>
> Cybersoft
> technologies pv... 23966 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?AS23966> A
> 2006-11-03 0% never
> LG<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2402:e000::/32>
> 2402:e000::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2402:e000::/32> [image:
> [pk] Pakistan]
> TPP-PK-20070913<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=TPP-PK-20070913>

> Telenor
> Pakistan A 2007-09-13 2008-11-10 17:32:39 99% 2008-11-11

> 05:17:36<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2402:e000::/32>
> LG <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2404:148::/32>
> 2404:148::/32<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2404:148::/32> [image:
> [pk] Pakistan]
> DANCOM-V6-20060602<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=DANCOM-V6-20060602>
> Dancom
> Online Services 23966 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?AS23966> A

> 2006-06-02 2006-08-22 13:02:21 100% 2008-11-11

> 05:17:36<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2404:148::/32>
> LG <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2406:7000::/32>
> 2406:7000::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2406:7000::/32> [image:
> [pk] Pakistan]
> worldcall-20080402<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=worldcall-20080402>

> WORLDCALL
> TELECOM LTD A 2008-04-03 0% never

> LG<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2407:d000::/32>
> 2407:d000::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2407:d000::/32> [image:
> [pk] Pakistan]
> MICRONET-20080208<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=MICRONET-20080208>

> Micronet
> Broadband (Pvt) ... A 2008-02-08 0% never

> *
> Regards
>
> Fahad Ali Khan
> *Pakistan IPv6 Task Force - Pkv6TF
>
> >
>

--
Sent from my mobile device

[khalid seddiq]

hm IPv6 will provide a huge range of IP addresses to catch ip address requirments with flexibility.

 

but someone would like to share its benefits in todays telecom sector specially in pakistani market.

[Shaheer Khan]

TO begin with, the IP addresses that are available are decreasing (and
so are the host names). In order to make your presence "sustainable"
on the internet, IPv6 was introduced.

This is just a nutshell of what others will say (if they want/have
to).

In short - it's like starting your operations on another planet with
the same population as your existing planet's run out of space. Short,
and sweet! :)

On Nov 11, 4:40 pm, "khalid seddiq" <khalidsed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hm IPv6 will provide a huge range of IP addresses to catch ip address
> requirments with flexibility.
>
> but someone would like to share its benefits in todays telecom sector
> specially in pakistani market.
>

> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:43 AM, FAHAD ALI KHAN <fahad.alik...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Dear All
>
> > This is to inform you all the Telenor Pakistan has now become the part of

> > Pakistan IPv6 Core Project i.e. *6Core. *

>
> > Also it is reachable to IPv6 Internet...we are in planning to test & bring
> > some IPv6 services online.
>
> >   LG Prefix tld NetName Owner AS S Allocated First seen Seen by Last seen

> > (*) LG <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2001:fe8::/32>
> > 2001:fe8::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2001:fe8::/32> [image:
> > [pk] Pakistan] SUPER-PK-IPV6-200503...
> > <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=SUPER-PK-IPV6-20050329> SUPERNET
> > LIMITED   A 2005-03-29 2006-11-16 10:17:22 0% 2007-12-14 06:02:29<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2001:fe8::/32>

> >   LG <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2001:4538::/32>

> > 2001:4538::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2001:4538::/32> [image:
> > [pk] Pakistan] CYBERNET-ipv6-200602...
> > <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=CYBERNET-ipv6-20060229> CYBER
> > INTERNET SERVICES (... 9541 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?AS9541> A
> > 2006-03-01 2006-09-18 07:17:19 100% 2008-11-11 05:17:36<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2001:4538::/32> 2006-09-27

> > 05:47:21 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2001:4538::/35> LG<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2401::/32>

> > 2401::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2401::/32> [image: [pk]

> > Pakistan] WOLNET <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=WOLNET> Cybersoft

> > technologies pv... 23966 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?AS23966> A
> > 2006-11-03   0% never   LG<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2402:e000::/32>
> > 2402:e000::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2402:e000::/32> [image:
> > [pk] Pakistan] TPP-PK-20070913<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=TPP-PK-20070913> Telenor
> > Pakistan   A 2007-09-13 2008-11-10 17:32:39 99% 2008-11-11 05:17:36<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2402:e000::/32>
> >   LG <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2404:148::/32> 2404:148::/32<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2404:148::/32> [image:
> > [pk] Pakistan] DANCOM-V6-20060602<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=DANCOM-V6-20060602> Dancom
> > Online Services 23966 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?AS23966> A
> > 2006-06-02 2006-08-22 13:02:21 100% 2008-11-11 05:17:36<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2404:148::/32>

> >   LG <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2406:7000::/32>

> > 2406:7000::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2406:7000::/32> [image:
> > [pk] Pakistan] worldcall-20080402<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=worldcall-20080402> WORLDCALL
> > TELECOM LTD   A 2008-04-03   0% never   LG<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2407:d000::/32>
> > 2407:d000::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2407:d000::/32> [image:
> > [pk] Pakistan] MICRONET-20080208<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=MICRONET-20080208> Micronet

> > Broadband (Pvt) ...   A 2008-02-08   0% never

> > *
> > Regards
>
> > Fahad Ali Khan

> > *Pakistan IPv6 Task Force - Pkv6TF

[Sajjad Zaidi]

To use your planet analogy, with IPv4, we've run out of space on the surface and are having to dig deep private underground tunnels (NAT) to store people who have a tough time climbing out and then squeezing back in every time they want food.

V6 is more like a "Dyson Sphere" surrounding our original planet/sun that provides lots of space for everyone. Now, every person can see every other person directly and all are happy.

Hope that makes sense to people other than science fiction fans. :)

Sajjad
http://sajjadzaidi.com/

[Shaheer Khan]

Why do I feel this will soon become a thread of the planets hooked up
with telecom and the internet?

But I think Sajjad did the "inter-galactic" and "planetary" job
well. :)

On Nov 11, 6:14 pm, "Sajjad Zaidi" <sajjadza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To use your planet analogy, with IPv4, we've run out of space on the surface
> and are having to dig deep private underground tunnels (NAT) to store people
> who have a tough time climbing out and then squeezing back in every time
> they want food.
>
> V6 is more like a "Dyson Sphere" surrounding our original planet/sun that
> provides lots of space for everyone. Now, every person can see every other
> person directly and all are happy.
>
> Hope that makes sense to people other than science fiction fans. :)
>

> Sajjadhttp://sajjadzaidi.com/

[Muhammad Asif Rao]

good move indeed!....

i think there are furthermore obstacles still lies in way of
operators.....

1. it is normally difficult to move from tentative phase to selling
(ipv6) service.
2. there is abundance of applications not written independently,
and still can not run over ipv6.
3. ipv6 head is larger then ipv4 and it will take extra bandwidth
for the same amount of traffic but broadband internet
may overcome that issue.
4. normally shortage of space always been highlighted but still
masses not moving quickly to adopt ipv6.

i w'd appreciate if any body could elaborate further.....

@$if

On Nov 11, 9:43 am, "FAHAD ALI KHAN" <fahad.alik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear All
>
> This is to inform you all the Telenor Pakistan has now become the part of

> Pakistan IPv6 Core Project i.e. *6Core. *

>
> Also it is reachable to IPv6 Internet...we are in planning to test & bring
> some IPv6 services online.
>

> LGPrefixtldNetNameOwnerASSAllocatedFirst seenSeen byLast seen (*)

> LG<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2001:fe8::/32>

> 2001:fe8::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2001:fe8::/32> [image: [pk]
> Pakistan]  SUPER-PK-IPV6-200503...
> <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=SUPER-PK-IPV6-20050329> SUPERNET

> LIMITED   A 2005-03-29 2006-11-16 10:17:22 0% 2007-12-14

> 06:02:29<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2001:fe8::/32>
>   LG <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2001:4538::/32>

> 2001:4538::/32<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2001:4538::/32>
> [image:
> [pk] Pakistan]  CYBERNET-ipv6-200602...
> <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=CYBERNET-ipv6-20060229> CYBER
> INTERNET SERVICES (...  9541 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?AS9541> A

> 2006-03-01 2006-09-18 07:17:19 100% 2008-11-11

> 05:17:36<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2001:4538::/32>
> 2006-09-27
> 05:47:21 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2001:4538::/35>
> LG<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2401::/32>
> 2401::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2401::/32> [image: [pk]
> Pakistan]  WOLNET <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=WOLNET> Cybersoft

> technologies pv...  23966 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?AS23966> A
> 2006-11-03   0% never

> LG<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2402:e000::/32>

> 2402:e000::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2402:e000::/32> [image:
> [pk] Pakistan]
> TPP-PK-20070913<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=TPP-PK-20070913>

> Telenor
> Pakistan   A 2007-09-13 2008-11-10 17:32:39 99% 2008-11-11

> 05:17:36<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2402:e000::/32>
>   LG <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2404:148::/32>

> 2404:148::/32<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2404:148::/32> [image:
> [pk] Pakistan]
> DANCOM-V6-20060602<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=DANCOM-V6-20060602>
> Dancom
> Online Services 23966 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?AS23966> A

> 2006-06-02 2006-08-22 13:02:21 100% 2008-11-11

> 05:17:36<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?prefix=2404:148::/32>
>    LG <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2406:7000::/32>

> 2406:7000::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2406:7000::/32> [image:
> [pk] Pakistan]
> worldcall-20080402<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=worldcall-20080402>

> WORLDCALL
> TELECOM LTD   A 2008-04-03   0% never

> LG<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2407:d000::/32>

> 2407:d000::/32 <http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?2407:d000::/32> [image:
> [pk] Pakistan]
> MICRONET-20080208<http://www.sixxs.net/tools/whois/?handle=MICRONET-20080208>

> Micronet
> Broadband (Pvt) ...    A 2008-02-08   0% never

> *
> Regards
>
> Fahad Ali Khan

> *Pakistan IPv6 Task Force - Pkv6TF

[Zaeem Arshad]

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Muhammad Asif Rao <masi...@gmail.com> wrote:

good move indeed!....

i think there are furthermore obstacles still lies in way of
operators.....

1.    it is normally difficult to move from tentative phase to selling
(ipv6) service.
2.    there is abundance of applications not written independently,
and still can not run over ipv6.
3.    ipv6 head is larger then ipv4 and it will take extra bandwidth
for the same amount of traffic but broadband internet
      may overcome that issue.
4.    normally shortage of space always been highlighted but still
masses not moving quickly to adopt ipv6.

i w'd appreciate if any body could elaborate further.....

@$if

The very first obstacle will be the readiness of the operator/SP itself. While announcing your IPv6 block to the internet is easy, what's not easy is

1) implementing v6 inside your core and access network
2) integration and co-existence of the v4 and v6 network
3) making sure all your BSS applications understand and support IPv6
4) making sure that your support teams understand the quirks of v4-v6 migration and co-existence which is as of now pretty mess for even IETF to sort out.

And during all this, the emergence of an IPv4 black market will worth watching.


My 2 cents.

--
Zaeem

[FAHAD ALI KHAN]

As far as obstacles are concerned....the most of them are created b/c we dont want a CHANGE. So the question should be that "This Change is Better or worthless".

Looking at US, UK, Japan/Korea....they are not using IPv6 in maases but their idealogy is far beyond of just using it for Internet access. Many Projects are in progress to use IPv6 in Emergency & Disaster Management infrastructure.
E.g.
Metronet6 - http://www.metronet6.org/example.html
Europe Project: U-2010 " http://www.u-2010.eu/
Advancement in Home Automation Networks and many other products... check list @ http://www.sixxs.net/misc/toys/

As far as Network Product (Routers) are concern.... Core & Edge devices have the far mature support since long time...Most of the CPE (from Cisco and others) also support it. Yes for Low Cost CPEs like DLINK, LinkSys, Zyxel and others...there will be need of faster development. As far as DLINK has launched the IPv6 enabled CPEs. Currently most of the DSL & WiMAX CPEs we used doesnt have v6 addressing features.

There is very slow rate in IPv6 adaptation...like we see here in Pakistan. The one reason that i see is the lack of involvement/interest of Policy makers & their support in educational & research departments.

Regarding IPv6 support in Application....this is a problem but for those only which are in-house developed by orgnizations for thier use...whereas most of the standard applications like of MS that we normally used, Unix varients....all of them hav IPv6 Support and most of them are tested quite while ago.

Check the link....http://www.ipv6-to-standard.org/
It mention the great deal of IPv6 supported Applications/products etc.

I beleive what is the hurdle is the Change that what we think cause in abnormality/outage in our very very stable infrastructure. but good planning/Designing procedures can eliminates all of thes fears.

So its time to start trained engineers, try to face the new look of Internet....even w/o disturbing existing v4 network, develop new applications...means developing new opportunities.

Regards

Fahad Ali Khan

[Haris Shamsi]

The network admins have fear - bcoz they don't know and understand
what it is. - that's the biggest hurdle as they don't allow their
engineers to take initiative for ipv6.

When we formed the ipv6 task force this was and still is our main
agenda - provide a test bed where ppl can learn without disrupting
their networks :)

--

[Waqa]

Especially, Internet/data providers need to optimize their systems &
expertise on IPv6 as soon as possible to cut through the pressure from
their clients. This would be a major factor while choosing the best
operator by customer on their core network as IP requirement is
increasing day by day and operators are unable to meet them due to
shortage of IP's. As far issues of integration & other obstacles are
concerned on IPv6, these can not be eliminated unless experienced and
troubleshoot. Well dun Telenor team....

[Mansoor Adenwala]

This could sounds stupid, since I come more from a application development
background rather than networks, but what kind of special applications are
we talking about from the development end?

And what kind of applications are you guys discussing here?


--
-mansoor
Visit me @ http://www.wordofmansoor.com  

"Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever."
- Gandhi

[Haris Shamsi]

all sort of which can understand the v6 stack :)

[Mansoor Adenwala]

Haris: which is exactly my problem here.. if all that's required is for an
application to understand v6 stack, that is pretty much transparent for us
developers anyway.

Plus, we already have OS level adapters (e.g. teredo) which automatically
covert between IPv4 and IPv6 transparently. For example, my bit torrent
client utorrent listens and makes connections on both v4 and v6, even though
PTCL doesn't really support v6 yet (am I correct in assuming that?) but ms
vista does.

Thus, if it's already invisible to the end user, and ostensibly the same
application can connect to both v4 and v6 even if network support is not
there, where's the problem again?

[Faisal Khan]

Working business apps are more problematic to IPV6. Whilst your major app developers like Oracle, et. al. are IPV6 compliant, many are not. If you use any socket based connections on the existing IPv4 framework they would need rework.