2007 is almost over I'm taking some time out to sit on the sidewalk and watch others fly by on the innovation path we have been given. I'm wondering just 'Where are we going?' I'm looking to the near future.
It seems to me these days innovation in flexible learning is about as much being the most aware and proficient consumer as it is about any other aspect of learning. I recall the many enthusiastic squeals of delight when I and the people within my network discover a new technology throwing ourselves wholeheartedly through our thoughts, behaviour and media, to a identity, often with much personal information which is then virally promulgated to our unwitting local community of teachers and students…but something has changed for me.
I recently took part in a discussion with some colleagues on the huge 2007 groundswell in use of networking technologies <http://nswlearnscope.com/>for teachers and students alike; facebook, wikis, blogs, photosharing and virtual worlds… we love them!
From the conversation there is no doubt in the result, there are many positive outcomes for example:
- in enabling ease of communication across distance - forming personal and professional relationships with each other, - empowering self expression/ modes of creativity - and importantly achieving great learning outcomes
The excitement and sense of connection between people through the technology is palpable, I've heard "the pull towards the grid is strong" but in this talk, with radical technologies on the horizon for 2008 could we unwittingly or even willingly be being lead down the garden path, on a predetermined route based on predicative human behavior?
Are we developing modes of learning, operating, communicating and seeing ourselves and others in the world based on a fait accompli <http:///> and could the success of the social networking within a life based learning model be a precursor to total systems of control?
I remember Stephen Downe's great video on Groups and Network's, what really sticks in my mind is that word ' Democracy' on the whiteboard under networks<http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540&q=dow...>, the bottom up network as freedom, 'sticking it to the man'? on reflection I'm not so sure… as Orwell is quoted,""He who controls the past commands the future. He who commands the future conquers the past." The past - Learn to fulfill your function, we own you!
Who controls the past? I'm recently looking to the past and the education system we know and love, where does it come from and what does it point to and importantly what does it mean for our children in the emergent networked world.
*'Perhaps the greatest of school's illusions is that the institution was launched by a group of kindly men and women who wanted to help the children of ordinary families―to level the playing field, so to speak.' John Taylor Gatto*
*'If modern schooling has a "Fourth Purpose," there must be an earlier three. Traditional forms of instruction in America, even before the Revolution, had three specific purposes:*
1. *To make good people* 2. *To make good citizens* 3. *And to make each student find some particular talents to develop to the maximum.*
*The new mass schooling which came about slowly but continuously after 1890, had a different purpose, a "fourth" purpose. The fourth purpose steadily squeezed the traditional three to the margins of schooling; in the fourth purpose, school in America became like school in Germany, a servant of corporate and political management.*
*We should reveal the mechanism of mind control training, habits, and attitudes. Children were literally trained in bad habits and bad attitudes! Teachers and principals, "scientifically"certified in teachers college practices, were made unaware of the invisible curriculum they really taught. *
*The secret of commerce, that kids drive purchases, meant that schools had to become psychological laboratories where training in consumerism was the central pursuit.' - John Taylor Gatto'*
Gatto above explains the change in education to get us to where we are today as the fourth purpose based on the the Business of Schooling <http://johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history4.htm>. It's no surprise that the root is founded on the power influence and money of the bank, corporate, industrial powers who seek ultimate control over peoples minds. In the not so distant past the hubric 'gods' of industry such as Ford, Rockefeller and JP Morgan needed men as the base resource to be used in the industrial production line system <http://www.storyofstuff.com/> (These elite families are still around running the UN! and Kyoto ahem).
Do your own research, if you go looking for further evidence of involvement I suggest going to the horse's mouth, here's a fascinating interview from the 80's.
Fortunes are spent on research by the elite through NGO's, round table groups and goverment on breaking down *human behaviourism, social engineering globally *<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2637635365191428174>to figure out how re-condition people to fit their New World Order control system and maintain their status quo and power (whilst becoming insanely wealthly in the process). Viz. through understanding the mind they can remake people into what we want them to be, the education system as we know has been the cornerstone of the elite's success (even the instructional design system that we know and love has it's origins within a military control system as challenged by Stephen Downes recently in his talk 'Free learning and control learning<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6353305476431305581&hl=en> '). Bread and circuses
What's to be learnt from the past, it's all about the future right?, we're all familiar with Pink Floyd's 'The wall'<http://youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw>a song about the control system, what's changed since that was given to our culture? we're still learning to fulfill our function, except now we're enjoying the bread and circuses of entertainment as part of a networked control grid.
*Financial service providers, banks and retailers have made it their business to connect with Maria. As a result, she is able to provide Mr Hammond with the best deals around. *
Thankyou for this great post , I really like and feel related to the saying about Past and present and future ,
Here in China , I have been feeling this so stongly , it is been a fad that many educator are trying to use web 2.0 tools to transform or help with their teaching or even making a lot of money of it .
but the problem I have felt is , we forgot our past , we have a old saying in Chinese is " studying without reflecting can make a person stupid " this is from Confusious in about 5000 years ago , and relecting without working hard cannot make a man smart also fromhim ,
What I am saying here is we have to know our past , and orignate from the past and begin to look into future , that is why Last time when we invited some of foreign expert coming to our school to give a lecture , we often end up with more confusing expression on our face , is this something really working in China ? what this white guy talking about can help us with our problems ?
It is absolutely good to learn from West , but many times we forgot that the most important thing is not to "learn "from others ,but first knowing that where we are , and where we are heading to ? what is our future ?
One of my students asked me the other day in our QQ group , and even created a fight , he said , why we need to learn this web 2.0 stuff , I am not seeing the meaning of learning this , I think we should focus more on other things blabla ...
maybe what he said is not much holding the water , but I can feel that when any of teacher or educator are trying to push us to look into the future , but we forgot to look back to see what we left behind ,
we need to know the past , so that we can walk firmly to the future .there is a long way to go , but so many people here in China think that there should a shortcut , but I don't think there is one , teaching a lost art here for a long time , in college here in China , I spent so much time on my class lesson plan , but Gosh , I would not get any rewards from doing that , I even doubt on myself ,should I do this ? spend hours hours on my lesson plan , but not payback ,even I can do this for this year coZ i AM young , but how about the future , I don't know if I can still devote somuch of my time on the classes I am teaching in next 10 years , coz I don't see the way out .
It is very discouraging to do things where nobody share your views your passion .
Sorry for this pessimistic post , I think I just need a break from my work ,from all these educational innovation here in China , it is a race ,but who win ??
>Taking time out of the 'education innovation race' to sit on the sidewalkDecember 21st, 2007 Posted in Control systems, Education, Networked learning, Web 2.0
>2007 is almost over I'm taking some time out to sit on the sidewalk and watch others fly by on the innovation path we have been given. I'm wondering just 'Where are we going?' I'm looking to the near future. >It seems to me these days innovation in flexible learning is about as much being the most aware and proficient consumer as it is about any other aspect of learning. I recall the many enthusiastic squeals of delight when I and the people within my network discover a new technology throwing ourselves wholeheartedly through our thoughts, behaviour and media, to a identity, often with much personal information which is then virally promulgated to our unwitting local community of teachers and students…but something has changed for me. >I recently took part in a discussion with some colleagues on the huge 2007 groundswell in use of networking technologies for teachers and students alike; facebook, wikis, blogs, photosharing and virtual worlds… we love them! >From the conversation there is no doubt in the result, there are many positive outcomes for example:
>in enabling ease of communication across distance >forming personal and professional relationships with each other, >empowering self expression/ modes of creativity >and importantly achieving great learning outcomes >The excitement and sense of connection between people through the technology is palpable, I've heard "the pull towards the grid is strong" but in this talk, with radical technologies on the horizon for 2008 could we unwittingly or even willingly be being lead down the garden path, on a predetermined route based on predicative human behavior? >Are we developing modes of learning, operating, communicating and seeing ourselves and others in the world based on a fait accompli and could the success of the social networking within a life based learning model be a precursor to total systems of control? >I remember Stephen Downe's great video on Groups and Network's, what really sticks in my mind is that word ' Democracy' on the whiteboard under networks, the bottom up network as freedom, 'sticking it to the man'? on reflection I'm not so sure… as Orwell is quoted,""He who controls the past commands the future. He who commands the future conquers the past." >The past - Learn to fulfill your function, we own you! >Who controls the past? I'm recently looking to the past and the education system we know and love, where does it come from and what does it point to and importantly what does it mean for our children in the emergent networked world. >Gatto neatly summarizes his the origins of control in this teaching resource'The makers of modern schooling' and in more detail in his book The Underground History of American Education.
>Video - State controlled consciousness >'Perhaps the greatest of school's illusions is that the institution was launched by a group of kindly men and women who wanted to help the children of ordinary families―to level the playing field, so to speak.' John Taylor Gatto >I also recommend listening to this eye opening interview with John Taylor Gatto by the journalist Alex Jones. In teh intereview he talks about a systematic educational philosophy that seeks to destroy imaginative thinking, dissolve cohesian of the family and remove competiton against the state. What was the change in the past to precipitate our present learning (control) systems? >The fourth purpose >'If modern schooling has a "Fourth Purpose," there must be an earlier three. Traditional forms of instruction in America, even before the Revolution, had three specific purposes:
>To make good people >To make good citizens >And to make each student find some particular talents to develop to the maximum. >The new mass schooling which came about slowly but continuously after 1890, had a different purpose, a "fourth" purpose. The fourth purpose steadily squeezed the traditional three to the margins of schooling; in the fourth purpose, school in America became like school in Germany, a servant of corporate and political management. >We should reveal the mechanism of mind control training, habits, and attitudes. Children were literally trained in bad habits and bad attitudes! Teachers and principals, "scientifically"certified in teachers college practices, were made unaware of the invisible curriculum they really taught. >The secret of commerce, that kids drive purchases, meant that schools had to become psychological laboratories where training in consumerism was the central pursuit.' - John Taylor Gatto' >Gatto above explains the change in education to get us to where we are today as the fourth purpose based on the the Business of Schooling . It's no surprise that the root is founded on the power influence and money of the bank, corporate, industrial powers who seek ultimate control over peoples minds. In the not so distant past the hubric 'gods' of industry such as Ford, Rockefeller and JP Morgan needed men as the base resource to be used in the industrial production line system (These elite families are still around running the UN! and Kyoto ahem). >Do your own research, if you go looking for further evidence of involvement I suggest going to the horse's mouth, here's a fascinating interview from the 80's.
>Video - Norman Dodd explains the purpose of the elites meddling in education following a congressional inquiry. >Fortunes are spent on research by the elite through NGO's, round table groups and goverment on breaking down human behaviourism, social engineering globally to figure out how re-condition people to fit their New World Order control system and maintain their status quo and power (whilst becoming insanely wealthly in the process). Viz. through understanding the mind they can remake people into what we want them to be, the education system as we know has been the cornerstone of the elite's success (even the instructional design system that we know and love has it's origins within a military control system as challenged by Stephen Downes recently in his talk 'Free learning and control learning'). >Bread and circuses >What's to be learnt from the past, it's all about the future right?, we're all familiar with Pink Floyd's 'The wall' a song about the control system, what's changed since that was given to our culture? we're still learning to fulfill our function, except now we're enjoying the bread and circuses of entertainment as part of a networked control grid.
>Video- Huxley talking about "Brave New World" and "1984″ >As the old industrial and banking paper fiat currency systems collapse post 2008-2012 and we move to the fiat electronic chipping system (It's happening), as before control of the technology and education system will be strategically used as part of conditioning to consolidate total control of future generations of worker's , (IF WE'RE NEEDED AT ALL- READ THIS). Many of us lab rats will be training kids not only how to plug into the grid but to love it and get paid quite handsomely for it… >'It's the year 2040 and Ray Hammond is getting advice from his software assistant Maria. Located in an implant just behind his left ear, Maria has
How a man named Sòng Jiāshù <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Soong> or (宋嘉樹 <http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%8B%E5%98%89%E6%BE%8D>) was brought us in America, returned to China selling bibles, and who gave birth to the modern Chinese leadership, funded the first Revolution and later the Nationalists who where thrown out to Taiwan. I am wondering if you learn about this version of history in China? The book is very damning of the Nationalists, and points to significant influence from the USA during the war between the Nationalists and the Communists.. so I imagine that you would know it..?
On Dec 23, 2007 6:30 PM, Leo Wong <leolo...@163.com> wrote:
> Thankyou for this great post , I really like and feel related to the > saying about Past and present and future ,
> Here in China , I have been feeling this so stongly , it is been a fad > that many educator are trying to use web 2.0 tools to transform or help > with their teaching or even making a lot of money of it .
> but the problem I have felt is , we forgot our past , we have a old saying > in Chinese is " studying without reflecting can make a person stupid " this > is from Confusious in about 5000 years ago , and relecting without working > hard cannot make a man smart also fromhim ,
> What I am saying here is we have to know our past , and orignate from the > past and begin to look into future , that is why Last time when we invited > some of foreign expert coming to our school to give a lecture , we often end > up with more confusing expression on our face , is this something really > working in China ? what this white guy talking about can help us with our > problems ?
> It is absolutely good to learn from West , but many times we forgot that > the most important thing is not to "learn "from others ,but first knowing > that where we are , and where we are heading to ? what is our future ?
> One of my students asked me the other day in our QQ group , and even > created a fight , he said , why we need to learn this web 2.0 stuff , I am > not seeing the meaning of learning this , I think we should focus more on > other things blabla ...
> maybe what he said is not much holding the water , but I can feel that > when any of teacher or educator are trying to push us to look into the > future , but we forgot to look back to see what we left behind ,
> we need to know the past , so that we can walk firmly to the future .there > is a long way to go , but so many people here in China think that there > should a shortcut , but I don't think there is one , teaching a lost art > here for a long time , in college here in China , I spent so much time on my > class lesson plan , but Gosh , I would not get any rewards from doing that , > I even doubt on myself ,should I do this ? spend hours hours on my lesson > plan , but not payback ,even I can do this for this year coZ i AM young , > but how about the future , I don't know if I can still devote somuch of my > time on the classes I am teaching in next 10 years , coz I don't see the way > out .
> It is very discouraging to do things where nobody share your views your > passion .
> Sorry for this pessimistic post , I think I just need a break from my work > ,from all these educational innovation here in China , it is a race ,but who > win ??
> >Taking time out of the 'education innovation race' to sit on the > sidewalkDecember 21st, 2007 Posted in Control systems, Education, Networked > learning, Web 2.0
> >2007 is almost over I'm taking some time out to sit on the sidewalk and > watch others fly by on the innovation path we have been given. I'm wondering > just 'Where are we going?' I'm looking to the near future. > >It seems to me these days innovation in flexible learning is about as > much being the most aware and proficient consumer as it is about any other > aspect of learning. I recall the many enthusiastic squeals of delight when I > and the people within my network discover a new technology throwing > ourselves wholeheartedly through our thoughts, behaviour and media, to a > identity, often with much personal information which is then virally > promulgated to our unwitting local community of teachers and students…but > something has changed for me. > >I recently took part in a discussion with some colleagues on the huge > 2007 groundswell in use of networking technologies for teachers and students > alike; facebook, wikis, blogs, photosharing and virtual worlds… we love > them! > >From the conversation there is no doubt in the result, there are many > positive outcomes for example:
> >in enabling ease of communication across distance > >forming personal and professional relationships with each other, > >empowering self expression/ modes of creativity > >and importantly achieving great learning outcomes > >The excitement and sense of connection between people through the > technology is palpable, I've heard "the pull towards the grid is strong" but > in this talk, with radical technologies on the horizon for 2008 could we > unwittingly or even willingly be being lead down the garden path, on a > predetermined route based on predicative human behavior? > >Are we developing modes of learning, operating, communicating and seeing > ourselves and others in the world based on a fait accompli and could the > success of the social networking within a life based learning model be a > precursor to total systems of control? > >I remember Stephen Downe's great video on Groups and Network's, what > really sticks in my mind is that word ' Democracy' on the whiteboard under > networks, the bottom up network as freedom, 'sticking it to the man'? on > reflection I'm not so sure… as Orwell is quoted,""He who controls the past > commands the future. He who commands the future conquers the past." > >The past - Learn to fulfill your function, we own you! > >Who controls the past? I'm recently looking to the past and the education > system we know and love, where does it come from and what does it point to > and importantly what does it mean for our children in the emergent networked > world. > >Gatto neatly summarizes his the origins of control in this teaching > resource'The makers of modern schooling' and in more detail in his book The > Underground History of American Education.
> >Video - State controlled consciousness > >'Perhaps the greatest of school's illusions is that the institution was > launched by a group of kindly men and women who wanted to help the children > of ordinary families―to level the playing field, so to speak.' John Taylor > Gatto > >I also recommend listening to this eye opening interview with John Taylor > Gatto by the journalist Alex Jones. In teh intereview he talks about a > systematic educational philosophy that seeks to destroy imaginative > thinking, dissolve cohesian of the family and remove competiton against the > state. What was the change in the past to precipitate our present learning > (control) systems? > >The fourth purpose > >'If modern schooling has a "Fourth Purpose," there must be an earlier > three. Traditional forms of instruction in America, even before the > Revolution, had three specific purposes:
> >To make good people > >To make good citizens > >And to make each student find some particular talents to develop to the > maximum. > >The new mass schooling which came about slowly but continuously after > 1890, had a different purpose, a "fourth" purpose. The fourth purpose > steadily squeezed the traditional three to the margins of schooling; in the > fourth purpose, school in America became like school in Germany, a servant > of corporate and political management. > >We should reveal the mechanism of mind control training, habits, and > attitudes. Children were literally trained in bad habits and bad attitudes! > Teachers and principals, "scientifically"certified in teachers college > practices, were made unaware of the invisible curriculum they really taught. > >The secret of commerce, that kids drive purchases, meant that schools had > to become psychological laboratories where training in consumerism was the > central pursuit.' - John Taylor Gatto' > >Gatto above explains the change in education to get us to where we are > today as the fourth purpose based on the the Business of Schooling . It's no > surprise that the root is founded on the power influence and money of the > bank, corporate, industrial powers who seek ultimate control over peoples > minds. In the not so distant past the hubric 'gods' of industry such as > Ford, Rockefeller and JP Morgan needed men as the base resource to be used > in the industrial production line system (These elite families are still > around running the UN! and Kyoto ahem). > >Do your own research, if you go looking for further evidence of > involvement I suggest going to the horse's mouth, here's a fascinating > interview from the 80's.
> >Video - Norman Dodd explains the purpose of the elites meddling in > education following a congressional inquiry. > >Fortunes are spent on research by the elite through NGO's, round table > groups and goverment on breaking down human behaviourism, social engineering > globally to figure out how re-condition people to fit their New World Order > control system and maintain their status quo and power (whilst becoming > insanely wealthly in the process). Viz. through understanding the mind they > can remake people into what we want them to be, the education system as we > know has been the cornerstone of the elite's success (even the instructional > design system that we know and love has it's origins within a military > control system
I baidu (chinese version of Google)the name , I found that he is the father of Songqingling (she is the wife of Jiangjieshi ) leader of KMT in taiwan , but I see your point , I think US are having a great influence on China now is even bigger than before , if you walk on the street nowdays , you will see more people are celebrating Xmas now even bigger than Spring festival , it is been crazy , last week in the supermarket , they played some stupid Xmas song over and over again , almost drive me crazy , I like Xmas , but feel so weird that people are so crazy about this here NOWDAYS in everywhere China . any comments ? China is absolutely losing its color ,it is not RED anymore , what color will be become ?
>Speaking of Chinese history there Leo, have you read or heard of the book, The Soong Dynasty? I found it a fascinating book.How a man named Sòng Jiāshù or (宋嘉樹) was brought us in America, returned to China selling bibles, and who gave birth to the modern Chinese leadership, funded the first Revolution and later the Nationalists who where thrown out to Taiwan. I am wondering if you learn about this version of history in China? The book is very damning of the Nationalists, and points to significant influence from the USA during the war between the Nationalists and the Communists.. so I imagine that you would know it..? >On Dec 23, 2007 6:30 PM, Leo Wong <leolo...@163.com> wrote: >Thankyou for this great post , I really like and feel related to the saying about Past and present and future , Here in China , I have been feeling this so stongly , it is been a fad that many educator are trying to use web 2.0 tools to transform or help with their teaching or even making a lot of money of it .but the problem I have felt is , we forgot our past , we have a old saying in Chinese is " studying without reflecting can make a person stupid " this is from Confusious in about 5000 years ago , and relecting without working hard cannot make a man smart also fromhim , What I am saying here is we have to know our past , and orignate from the past and begin to look into future , that is why Last time when we invited some of foreign expert coming to our school to give a lecture , we often end up with more confusing expression on our face , is this something really working in China ? what this white guy talking about can help us with our problems ? It is absolutely good to learn from West , but many times we forgot that the most important thing is not to "learn "from others ,but first knowing that where we are , and where we are heading to ? what is our future ? One of my students asked me the other day in our QQ group , and even created a fight , he said , why we need to learn this web 2.0 stuff , I am not seeing the meaning of learning this , I think we should focus more on other things blabla ... maybe what he said is not much holding the water , but I can feel that when any of teacher or educator are trying to push us to look into the future , but we forgot to look back to see what we left behind , we need to know the past , so that we can walk firmly to the future .there is a long way to go , but so many people here in China think that there should a shortcut , but I don't think there is one , teaching a lost art here for a long time , in college here in China , I spent so much time on my class lesson plan , but Gosh , I would not get any rewards from doing that , I even doubt on myself ,should I do this ? spend hours hours on my lesson plan , but not payback ,even I can do this for this year coZ i AM young , but how about the future , I don't know if I can still devote somuch of my time on the classes I am teaching in next 10 years , coz I don't see the way out . It is very discouraging to do things where nobody share your views your passion .Sorry for this pessimistic post , I think I just need a break from my work ,from all these educational innovation here in China , it is a race ,but who win ?? Leo http://leolaoshi.yo2.cn 在2007-12-22，"Steven Parker" <sparke...@gmail.com > 写道：>>>>>Taking time out of the 'education innovation race' to sit on the sidewalkDecember 21st, 2007 Posted in Control systems, Education, Networked learning, Web 2.0 > >2007 is almost over I'm taking some time out to sit on the sidewalk and watch others fly by on the innovation path we have been given. I'm wondering just 'Where are we going?' I'm looking to the near future. >It seems to me these days innovation in flexible learning is about as much being the most aware and proficient consumer as it is about any other aspect of learning. I recall the many enthusiastic squeals of delight when I and the people within my network discover a new technology throwing ourselves wholeheartedly through our thoughts, behaviour and media, to a identity, often with much personal information which is then virally promulgated to our unwitting local community of teachers and students…but something has changed for me. >I recently took part in a discussion with some colleagues on the huge 2007 groundswell in use of networking technologies for teachers and students alike; facebook, wikis, blogs, photosharing and virtual worlds… we love them! >From the conversation there is no doubt in the result, there are many positive outcomes for example:>>in enabling ease of communication across distance>forming personal and professional relationships with each other, >empowering self expression/ modes of creativity>and importantly achieving great learning outcomes >The excitement and sense of connection between people through the technology is palpable, I've heard "the pull towards the grid is strong" but in this talk, with radical technologies on the horizon for 2008 could we unwittingly or even willingly be being lead down the garden path, on a predetermined route based on predicative human behavior? >Are we developing modes of learning, operating, communicating and seeing ourselves and others in the world based on a fait accompli and could the success of the social networking within a life based learning model be a precursor to total systems of control? >I remember Stephen Downe's great video on Groups and Network's, what really sticks in my mind is that word ' Democracy' on the whiteboard under networks, the bottom up network as freedom, 'sticking it to the man'? on reflection I'm not so sure… as Orwell is quoted,""He who controls the past commands the future. He who commands the future conquers the past." >The past - Learn to fulfill your function, we own you!>Who controls the past? I'm recently looking to the past and the education system we know and love, where does it come from and what does it point to and importantly what does it mean for our children in the emergent networked world. >Gatto neatly summarizes his the origins of control in this teaching resource'The makers of modern schooling' and in more detail in his book The Underground History of American Education.>>Video - State controlled consciousness >'Perhaps the greatest of school's illusions is that the institution was launched by a group of kindly men and women who wanted to help the children of ordinary families―to level the playing field, so to speak.' John Taylor Gatto >I also recommend listening to this eye opening interview with John Taylor Gatto by the journalist Alex Jones. In teh intereview he talks about a systematic educational philosophy that seeks to destroy imaginative thinking, dissolve cohesian of the family and remove competiton against the state. What was the change in the past to precipitate our present learning (control) systems? >The fourth purpose>'If modern schooling has a "Fourth Purpose," there must be an earlier three. Traditional forms of instruction in America, even before the Revolution, had three specific purposes: >>To make good people>To make good citizens>And to make each student find some particular talents to develop to the maximum.>The new mass schooling which came about slowly but continuously after 1890, had a different purpose, a "fourth" purpose. The fourth purpose steadily squeezed the traditional three to the margins of schooling; in the fourth purpose, school in America became like school in Germany, a servant of corporate and political management. >We should reveal the mechanism of mind control training, habits, and attitudes. Children were literally trained in bad habits and bad attitudes! Teachers and principals, "scientifically"certified in teachers college practices, were made unaware of the invisible curriculum they really taught. >The secret of commerce, that kids drive purchases, meant that schools had to become psychological laboratories where training in consumerism was the central pursuit.' - John Taylor Gatto'>Gatto above explains the change in education to get us to where we are today as the fourth purpose based on the the Business of Schooling . It's no surprise that the root is founded on the power influence and money of the bank, corporate, industrial powers who seek ultimate control over peoples minds. In the not so distant past the hubric 'gods' of industry such as Ford, Rockefeller and JP Morgan needed men as the base resource to be used in the industrial production line system (These elite families are still around running the UN! and Kyoto ahem). >Do your own research, if you go looking for further evidence of involvement I suggest going to the horse's mouth, here's a fascinating interview from the 80's.>>Video - Norman Dodd explains the purpose of the elites meddling in education following a congressional inquiry. >Fortunes are spent on research by the elite through NGO's, round table groups and goverment on breaking down human behaviourism, social engineering globally to figure out how
> I baidu (chinese version of Google)the name , I found that he is the > father of Songqingling (she is the wife of Jiangjieshi ) leader of KMT in > taiwan , but I see your point , I think US are having a great influence on > China now is even bigger than before , if you walk on the street nowdays , > you will see more people are celebrating Xmas now even bigger than Spring > festival , it is been crazy , last week in the supermarket , they played > some stupid Xmas song over and over again , almost drive me crazy , I like > Xmas , but feel so weird that people are so crazy about this here NOWDAYS in > everywhere China . any comments ? China is absolutely losing its color ,it > is not RED anymore , what color will be become ?
Leo, I do not know the answer to your question. I'm currently visiting Kunming, heading for Chuxiong Normal University next week. Yesterday we saw a life size animated Santa with a cigar singing the "Yellow rose of texas" Everywhere shop assistants are in santa outfits. And yes, the MUZAC is everywhere jingles. And this is NOT in the tourist area. Where we stay I have seen no westerners in three days, no-one has english translations in the restaurants, there are NO cafes in this area . . but I do hear jingle bells all over the place. You get sick of green and red.
I have loved our time here. But I have never felt culture shock like this. :-)
You say: "What I am saying here is we have to know our past , and orignate from the past and begin to look into future , that is why Last time when we invited some of foreign expert coming to our school to give a lecture , we often end up with more confusing expression on our face , is this something really working in China ? what this white guy talking about can help us with our problems ?"
Sobering thought. I am taking some physics teaching workshops in Chuxiong next week, on physics teaching research based strategies . . . Even without your post Self doubt and anxiety have increased as I spend time here, I seem to know less than when I was at home. . . :-|
Stephen Parker is taking some time 'to sit on the sidewalk'. I miss cafes and seats in the sun here. But I've had my time to think for several recent months. This is how I have felt: "Sometimes I sits and thinks - sometime I just sit" I have wondered if I have had what it takes to inhabit any world of ideas, let alone a global community. They say you can learn a lot from your failures - had a lot of those this year. I considered dropping out of the online world, and essentially did this for a while: no RSS, few blogs, no newspaper, little surfing - I only followed up what someone personally e-mailed or told me about. My problem is tangential to yours: at home, people clinging to all cost to the past - with Money and Politics the drivers, unless we really, really try to do something and then it take a lot ofy energy.
But: the one thing I do get energised by is contact with people in a teaching environment.
Leo, you say: "I spent so much time on my class lesson plan , but Gosh , I would not get any rewards from doing that , I even doubt on myself ,should I do this ? spend hours hours on my lesson plan , but not payback ,even I can do this for this year coZ i AM young , but how about the future , I don't know if I can still devote somuch of my time on the classes I am teaching in next 10 years , coz I don't see the way out .
It is very discouraging to do things where nobody share your views your passion .
Sorry for this pessimistic post , I think I just need a break from my work ,from all these educational innovation here in China , it is a race ,but who win ??"
I do not quite know how to respond to this either. Rewards? I found this quote whailk I was trying to preapre for my talks here in China: "Past scholars studied to improve themselves; Today's scholars study to impress others."
Confucius Not following your passion will probably be worse. I'd like to say your investment will pay off. I think I believe this. If it is the right kind of investment. Building for the future in your personal teaching life, your personal reflection on your effectiveness, a bunch of olther things you will hear in our "How to teach" workshops. I try to put time every week into preparing myself for teaching. But you must have some sort of balance. How to do this? We win some and lose some.
Leo, have you heard of Andrew Keen<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Keen>? Personally, I can't stand him, but all the people I know that "don't share the passion" gravitate to him. He is anti Web2.0. In some ways he is a blessing to the Web2.0 or social media movement. His arguments are so shallow, and frighteningly class driven that it makes for easy pickings. Might be worth reading him. I read him to be ready for the odd teacher here who finds him. I also read him to remind myself what I do this for.
On Dec 24, 2007 1:01 AM, Derek Chirnside <derek.chirns...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 23/12/2007, Leo Wong <leolo...@163.com> wrote:
> > I baidu (chinese version of Google)the name , I found that he is the > > father of Songqingling (she is the wife of Jiangjieshi ) leader of KMT in > > taiwan , but I see your point , I think US are having a great influence on > > China now is even bigger than before , if you walk on the street nowdays , > > you will see more people are celebrating Xmas now even bigger than Spring > > festival , it is been crazy , last week in the supermarket , they played > > some stupid Xmas song over and over again , almost drive me crazy , I like > > Xmas , but feel so weird that people are so crazy about this here NOWDAYS in > > everywhere China . any comments ? China is absolutely losing its color ,it > > is not RED anymore , what color will be become ?
> Leo, I do not know the answer to your question. > I'm currently visiting Kunming, heading for Chuxiong Normal University > next week. > Yesterday we saw a life size animated Santa with a cigar singing the > "Yellow rose of texas" > Everywhere shop assistants are in santa outfits. > And yes, the MUZAC is everywhere jingles. > And this is NOT in the tourist area. Where we stay I have seen no > westerners in three days, no-one has english translations in the > restaurants, there are NO cafes in this area . . but I do hear jingle > bells all over the place. You get sick of green and red.
> I have loved our time here. But I have never felt culture shock like > this. :-)
> You say: > "What I am saying here is we have to know our past , and orignate from the > past and begin to look into future , that is why Last time when we invited > some of foreign expert coming to our school to give a lecture , we often end > up with more confusing expression on our face , is this something really > working in China ? what this white guy talking about can help us with our > problems ?"
> Sobering thought. I am taking some physics teaching workshops in Chuxiong > next week, on physics teaching research based strategies . . . Even > without your post Self doubt and anxiety have increased as I spend time > here, I seem to know less than when I was at home. . . :-|
> Stephen Parker is taking some time 'to sit on the sidewalk'. I miss cafes > and seats in the sun here. But I've had my time to think for several recent > months. This is how I have felt: > "Sometimes I sits and thinks - sometime I just sit" > I have wondered if I have had what it takes to inhabit any world of ideas, > let alone a global community. They say you can learn a lot from your > failures - had a lot of those this year. I considered dropping out of the > online world, and essentially did this for a while: no RSS, few blogs, no > newspaper, little surfing - I only followed up what someone personally > e-mailed or told me about. My problem is tangential to yours: at home, > people clinging to all cost to the past - with Money and Politics the > drivers, unless we really, really try to do something and then it take a lot > ofy energy.
> But: the one thing I do get energised by is contact with people in a > teaching environment.
> Leo, you say: > "I spent so much time on my class lesson plan , but Gosh , I would not get > any rewards from doing that , I even doubt on myself ,should I do this ? > spend hours hours on my lesson plan , but not payback ,even I can do this > for this year coZ i AM young , but how about the future , I don't know if I > can still devote somuch of my time on the classes I am teaching in next 10 > years , coz I don't see the way out .
> It is very discouraging to do things where nobody share your views your > passion .
> Sorry for this pessimistic post , I think I just need a break from my work > ,from all these educational innovation here in China , it is a race ,but who > win ??"
> I do not quite know how to respond to this either. > Rewards? > I found this quote whailk I was trying to preapre for my talks here in > China: > "Past scholars studied to improve themselves; > Today's scholars study to impress others."
> Confucius > Not following your passion will probably be worse. > I'd like to say your investment will pay off. I think I believe this. If > it is the right kind of investment. Building for the future in your > personal teaching life, your personal reflection on your effectiveness, a > bunch of olther things you will hear in our "How to teach" workshops. I try > to put time every week into preparing myself for teaching. But you must > have some sort of balance. How to do this? We win some and lose some.
> Here in China , I have been feeling this so stongly , it is been a fad > that many educator are trying to use web 2.0 tools to transform or help > with their teaching or even making a lot of money of it .
> but the problem I have felt is , we forgot our past , we have a old saying > in Chinese is " studying without reflecting can make a person stupid " this > is from Confusious in about 5000 years ago , and relecting without working > hard cannot make a man smart also fromhim ,
> What I am saying here is we have to know our past , and orignate from the > past and begin to look into future , that is why Last time when we invited > some of foreign expert coming to our school to give a lecture , we often end > up with more confusing expression on our face , is this something really > working in China ? what this white guy talking about can help us with our > problems ?
> It is absolutely good to learn from West , but many times we forgot that > the most important thing is not to "learn "from others ,but first knowing > that where we are , and where we are heading to ? what is our future ?
I'm Irish and love Flickr photosharing from my own cultural point of view. In Ireland in rural areas we have shops that sell everything for the local community, hardware, groceries....at night the pub turns into pub, thye're known as 'Spirit Grocers' . My wife got this message in flickr
'hi just seen your photo and its great i know mrs macdonald very well and have told her and shown her this photo she cant really get her head around the web thing but she loves your photos x mark' An example of capturing sharing and distilling cultural information and the human side of web 2.0.
> One of my students asked me the other day in our QQ group , and even > created a fight , he said , why we need to learn this web 2.0 stuff , I am > not seeing the meaning of learning this , I think we should focus more on > other things blabla ...
* *I am sorry to hear about the awful xmas consumer culture rearing it's ugly head in Chinese culture, I guess it's part in parcel of the planned economic power shift form West to East and with that you get exercise of soft Western power, viz culture as occupation setting up the country for consumerism, undermine sovereign culture, destroy the old to make way for the new as they say *http://tinyurl.com/2omxuf*.**
> maybe what he said is not much holding the water , but I can feel that > when any of teacher or educator are trying to push us to look into the > future , but we forgot to look back to see what we left behind ,
> we need to know the past , so that we can walk firmly to the future .there > is a long way to go , but so many people here in China think that there > should a shortcut , but I don't think there is one , teaching a lost art > here for a long time , in college here in China , I spent so much time on my > class lesson plan , but Gosh , I would not get any rewards from doing that , > I even doubt on myself ,should I do this ? spend hours hours on my lesson > plan , but not payback ,even I can do this for this year coZ i AM young , > but how about the future , I don't know if I can still devote somuch of my > time on the classes I am teaching in next 10 years , coz I don't see the way > out .
I agree, in this day and age our culture and technologies are given to us by the elite and the corporations, in the past it was our local communities the elders and traditions looking out for and protecting the younger generations. Web 2.0 is a perfect example of culture/ technologies given to us and this makes us very vulnerable to cultural brainwashing, especially the younger generation of kids who will know nothing else. No doubt Web 2.0fulfills some of our basic human social instincts to belong to a group and in some cases such as this TALO group and the flickr example the communication tools enable us to share 'wisdom' 'knowledge' with 'the tribe', all good....BUT
*In the process we are being set up **quite nicely **by the elite and the corporations **for the next big cultural shift in the West, a total control system, not good. We are becoming socially conditioning to ways of exisitng within a networked society this fits hand on glove with the incremental moves to a cashless society, individual RFID tagging, brain scanning and total control grid of the survelliance society. Get indignant.*
*Video- *
Here are too examples of new technologies given to us in the disguise of entertainment all very exciting basically we are on a timeline to undermine inner sovereignty of the individual (The serfs) you and me.
These web 2.0 technologies are totally elitist by stealth in consolidating
> total systems of power as part of a cultural shift, I expect in the next > stage it's going to be really sad how readily people/consumers will give up > their inner sovereignty their consciousness, their soul, in the name of > entertainment or efficiency, we'll probably be given no choice, unless we > wake up.
> We are accessories to the fact, children, Mammals learn from their parents > about threats much like the seal gets told that the polar bear is bad, > unless adults point the dangers out to the children the future generations > will be non the wiser. The end of all conflict non thinking individuals > (If we are not there already) to upset the powerbase, renewable workers just > the predictive cultural programming of Brave New World by Huxley...for total > control everyone must be totally predictable and under surveillance.
> It is very discouraging to do things where nobody share your views your > passion .
> Sorry for this pessimistic post , I think I just need a break from my work > ,from all these educational innovation here in China , it is a race ,but who > win ??
Thank you for your post, there is so much potential to learn from your perspective.
Who wins as it stands not you and me I'm afraid.
'I don't know where these people hide their fear. As an architect of complex systems I enter this arena as a generalist. But should this diminish my concerns? I am aware of how much has been written about, talked about, and lectured about so authoritatively. But does this mean it has reached people? Does this mean we can discount the dangers before us?
Knowing is not a rationale for not acting. Can we doubt that knowledge has become a weapon we wield against ourselves?'
'When it breathes through his intellect, it is genius; when it breathes through his will, it is virtue; when it flows through his affection, it is love. And the blindness of the intellect begins, when it would be something of itself.' http://www.emersoncentral.com/oversoul.htm
> >Taking time out of the 'education innovation race' to sit on the > sidewalkDecember 21st, 2007 Posted in Control systems, Education, Networked > learning, Web 2.0
> >2007 is almost over I'm taking some time out to sit on the sidewalk and > watch others fly by on the innovation path we have been given. I'm wondering > just 'Where are we going?' I'm looking to the near future. > >It seems to me these days innovation in flexible learning is about as > much being the most aware and proficient consumer as it is about any other > aspect of learning. I recall the many enthusiastic squeals of delight when I > and the people within my network discover a new technology throwing > ourselves wholeheartedly through our thoughts, behaviour and media, to a > identity, often with much personal information which is then virally > promulgated to our unwitting local community of teachers and students…but > something has changed for me. > >I recently took part in a discussion with some colleagues on the huge > 2007 groundswell in use of networking technologies for teachers and students > alike; facebook, wikis, blogs, photosharing and virtual worlds… we love > them! > >From the conversation there is no doubt in the result, there are many > positive outcomes for example:
> >in enabling ease of communication across distance > >forming personal and professional relationships with each other, > >empowering self expression/ modes of creativity > >and importantly achieving great learning outcomes > >The excitement and sense of connection between people through the > technology is
Thank you Leigh and Derek ,I will surely read the man later when I got time especially Derek ,what you wrote for me is really encouraging ,or strangely speak to me in some way , you write : "Even without your post Self doubt and anxiety have increased as I spend time here, I seem to know less than when I was at home. " Why do you feel in this way , and what makes you feel in this way in China ?
I personally have one big question in my head , there is one teacher he is from Philpine , he is teaching the Audio producation , and he is a good teacher and he makes students do the voice producation like writing a script and make a audio every week , the students enjoy doing this coz it is kinda fun , but from where I come from , most of people think that Chinese teacher like me are teaching in a oldder way , I am sorry I am an exception , I strongly aganist this ,and I told their student(also my students ) to upload what they did to the www.haokanbu.com ( my best web2.0 website in China ) , and share with others ,and in one of my classes I urged one of group in my class to do the presentation before their final one to other freshman students , coz I felt that the best way to learn something is to teach it , I learned so much things from my 6 years of teaching in China , but what they told me is they think I should not get so involoved with students they told me I should keep a professional distance with my students , and he is not Chinese , he is my boss he is from UK, he is marrying with a Chinese wife , well he is right once I teach , I found it is hard for me to really detach from what my students are doing , I began to feel emotionally involoved with my students , which is I feel was okay , but they kept telling me that you have to stay cool by not getting too closed with students sorry .I remember I have read one post from http://teachandlearn.ca/blog talking about this . so using web2.0 in my class makes me feel I am half-Chinese and half-westerner , there is Culture shock from seeing my own people is even bigger and more painful to see from foreign coutry I have not have many cross culuture expereience but I assume this way .
you said "I am taking some physics teaching workshops in Chuxiong next week, on physics teaching research based strategies . "
Great , Good luck and let me know what I can help , but I don't know where is Chuxiong ,it is in Yunnan ?when you are planning to stay , I am planning to go there for travel one day , can you spell the name again ?
again what you said " Even without your post Self doubt and anxiety have increased as I spend time here, I seem to know less than when I was at home. " really speak to me , I feel this all the time , in China , people are not really apprecitating people from differeent culture , we will show our interest , but as long as you began to lecture or you think that you can change something , you made the wrong point , many things are not going in this way I was doing workshop with American professor last summer , until the last day of our workshop ,people began to like us coz we were doing something called "demonstartion class" and we used what we have taught or lecutured about in a real situation we were co-teaching together and I helped this professor build a blog even when she was in US , and you know what ? this blog helped us so much , we talked a lot of things with our students before she came , we co-writing this blog , so that we have a good connection with the students here , everything needed to be proved here maybe the same with everywhere , but if this is your first time here in China , be careful with this , I also would be happy to help out if you need any unprofessional advices from my part just mail me .
Thank you again very much for the mail it is amazing that I couldmeet a teacher from TALO and he is in China now ! Life is full of wonders !
>Leo, have you heard of Andrew Keen? Personally, I can't stand him, but all the people I know that "don't share the passion" gravitate to him. He is anti Web2.0. In some ways he is a blessing to the Web2.0 or social media movement. His arguments are so shallow, and frighteningly class driven that it makes for easy pickings. Might be worth reading him. I read him to be ready for the odd teacher here who finds him. I also read him to remind myself what I do this for. >On Dec 24, 2007 1:01 AM, Derek Chirnside <derek.chirns...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 23/12/2007, Leo Wong <leolo...@163.com> wrote: >I baidu (chinese version of Google)the name , I found that he is the father of Songqingling (she is the wife of Jiangjieshi ) leader of KMT in taiwan , but I see your point , I think US are having a great influence on China now is even bigger than before , if you walk on the street nowdays , you will see more people are celebrating Xmas now even bigger than Spring festival , it is been crazy , last week in the supermarket , they played some stupid Xmas song over and over again , almost drive me crazy , I like Xmas , but feel so weird that people are so crazy about this here NOWDAYS in everywhere China . any comments ? China is absolutely losing its color ,it is not RED anymore , what color will be become ? Leo http://leolaoshi.yo2.cn >Leo, I do not know the answer to your question. I'm currently visiting Kunming, heading for Chuxiong Normal University next week. Yesterday we saw a life size animated Santa with a cigar singing the "Yellow rose of texas"Everywhere shop assistants are in santa outfits. And yes, the MUZAC is everywhere jingles.And this is NOT in the tourist area. Where we stay I have seen no westerners in three days, no-one has english translations in the restaurants, there are NO cafes in this area . . but I do hear jingle bells all over the place. You get sick of green and red. I have loved our time here. But I have never felt culture shock like this. :-) >You say: >"What I am saying here is we have to know our past , and orignate from the past and begin to look into future , that is why Last time when we invited some of foreign expert coming to our school to give a lecture , we often end up with more confusing expression on our face , is this something really working in China ? what this white guy talking about can help us with our problems ?"Sobering thought. I am taking some physics teaching workshops in Chuxiong next week, on physics teaching research based strategies . . . Even without your post Self doubt and anxiety have increased as I spend time here, I seem to know less than when I was at home. . . :-| Stephen Parker is taking some time 'to sit on the sidewalk'. I miss cafes and seats in the sun here. But I've had my time to think for several recent months. This is how I have felt:"Sometimes I sits and thinks - sometime I just sit" I have wondered if I have had what it takes to inhabit any world of ideas, let alone a global community. They say you can learn a lot from your failures - had a lot of those this year. I considered dropping out of the online world, and essentially did this for a while: no RSS, few blogs, no newspaper, little surfing - I only followed up what someone personally e-mailed or told me about. My problem is tangential to yours: at home, people clinging to all cost to the past - with Money and Politics the drivers, unless we really, really try to do something and then it take a lot ofy energy. But: the one thing I do get energised by is contact with people in a teaching environment. >Leo, you say: >"I spent so much time on my class lesson plan , but Gosh , I would not get any rewards from doing that , I even doubt on myself ,should I do this ? spend hours hours on my lesson plan , but not payback ,even I can do this for this year coZ i AM young , but how about the future , I don't know if I can still devote somuch of my time on the classes I am teaching in next 10 years , coz I don't see the way out .It is very discouraging to do things where nobody share your views your passion .Sorry for this pessimistic post , I think I just need a break from my work ,from all these educational innovation here in China , it is a race ,but who win ??"I do not quite know how to respond to this either. Rewards?I found this quote whailk I was trying to preapre for my talks here in China:"Past scholars studied to improve themselves;Today's scholars study to impress others." >Confucius Not following your passion will probably be worse.I'd like to say your investment will pay off. I think I believe this. If it is the right kind of investment. Building for the future in your personal teaching life, your personal reflection on your effectiveness, a bunch of olther things you will hear in our "How to teach" workshops. I try to put time every week into preparing myself for teaching. But you must have some sort of balance. How to do this? We win some and lose some. My final comment:Is it a race?-Derek
(your comment) "Even without your post Self doubt and anxiety have increased as I spend time here, I seem to know less than when I was at home. " Why do you feel in this way , and what makes you feel in this way in China ?
What I was trying to say was I was a bit more sure of my message back home than I am now. - No big deal really: You were talking about guest speakers from outside China - and them NOT communicating. (and missing the point). I was starting to feel like this. :-) I know my subject well. I thought. I spent several years asking the question: "These physics teaching approaches seem to evaluate well in America, Germany, South Africa . . will they be of value here in New Zealand?"
I was much more confident I had a message when sitting in my study at home. Since I have arrived we have visited several families who live here, talked with kids and parents, teachers . . . (had a great time, if severely culture shocked actually) while I have done a bit to try to see where things are at here . . it's a drop in the bucket!!
(continued . . .) you said "I am taking some physics teaching workshops in Chuxiong next week, on physics teaching research based strategies . " Great , Good luck and let me know what I can help , but I don't know where is Chuxiong ,it is in Yunnan ?when you are planning to stay , I am planning to go there for travel one day , can you spell the name again ?
We are there Thursday 27th - Sunday 30th. I do not know what to expect: some people have talked about Chuxiong here in widely differing ways. I may be stuck for some last minute translating, if I am I will flick you some bits off the list.
We will enjoy it. Whether we do any good remains to be seen.
> Thank you Leigh and Derek ,I will surely read the man later when I got > time especially Derek ,what you wrote for me is really encouraging ,or > strangely speak to me in some way , > you write : "Even without your post Self doubt and anxiety have increased > as I spend time here, I seem to know less than when I was at home. " > Why do you feel in this way , and what makes you feel in this way in China > ?
> I personally have one big question in my head , there is one teacher he is > from Philpine , he is teaching the Audio producation , and he is a good > teacher and he makes students do the voice producation like writing a script > and make a audio every week , the students enjoy doing this coz it is kinda > fun , but from where I come from , most of people think that Chinese teacher > like me are teaching in a oldder way , I am sorry I am an exception , I > strongly aganist this ,and I told their student(also my students ) to upload > what they did to the www.haokanbu.com ( my best web2.0 website in China ) > , and share with others ,and in one of my classes I urged one of group in my > class to do the presentation before their final one to other freshman > students , coz I felt that the best way to learn something is to teach it , > I learned so much things from my 6 years of teaching in China , but what > they told me is they think I should not get so involoved with students they > told me I should keep a professional distance with my students , and he is > not Chinese , he is my boss he is from UK, he is marrying with a Chinese > wife , well he is right once I teach , I found it is hard for me to really > detach from what my students are doing , I began to feel emotionally > involoved with my students , which is I feel was okay , but they kept > telling me that you have to stay cool by not getting too closed with > students sorry .I remember I have read one post from > http://teachandlearn.ca/blog talking about this . so using web2.0 in my > class makes me feel I am half-Chinese and half-westerner , there is Culture > shock from seeing my own people is even bigger and more painful to see from > foreign coutry I have not have many cross culuture expereience but I assume > this way .
> you said "I am taking some physics teaching workshops in Chuxiong next > week, on physics teaching research based strategies . "
> Great , Good luck and let me know what I can help , but I don't know where > is Chuxiong ,it is in Yunnan ?when you are planning to stay , I am planning > to go there for travel one day , can you spell the name again ?
> again what you said " Even without your post Self doubt and anxiety have > increased as I spend time here, I seem to know less than when I was at home. > " really speak to me , I feel this all the time , in China , people are not > really apprecitating people from differeent culture , we will show our > interest , but as long as you began to lecture or you think that you can > change something , you made the wrong point , many things are not going in > this way I was doing workshop with American professor last summer , until > the last day of our workshop ,people began to like us coz we were doing > something called "demonstartion class" and we used what we have taught or > lecutured about in a real situation we were co-teaching together and I > helped this professor build a blog even when she was in US , and you know > what ? this blog helped us so much , we talked a lot of things with our > students before she came , we co-writing this blog , so that we have a good > connection with the students here , everything needed to be proved here > maybe the same with everywhere , but if this is your first time here in > China , be careful with this , I also would be happy to help out if you need > any unprofessional advices from my part just mail me .
> Thank you again very much for the mail it is amazing that I couldmeet a > teacher from TALO and he is in China now ! Life is full of wonders !
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On Dec 26, 12:49 am, "Derek Chirnside" <derek.chirns...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> (your comment) "Even without your post Self doubt and anxiety have increased
> as I spend time here, I seem to know less than when I was at home. "
> Why do you feel in this way , and what makes you feel in this way in China ?
> What I was trying to say was I was a bit more sure of my message back home
> than I am now. - No big deal really: You were talking about guest speakers
> from outside China - and them NOT communicating. (and missing the point).
> I was starting to feel like this. :-)
> I know my subject well. I thought. I spent several years asking the
> question: "These physics teaching approaches seem to evaluate well in
> America, Germany, South Africa . . will they be of value here in New
> Zealand?"
> I was much more confident I had a message when sitting in my study at home.
> Since I have arrived we have visited several families who live here, talked
> with kids and parents, teachers . . . (had a great time, if severely
> culture shocked actually) while I have done a bit to try to see where
> things are at here . . it's a drop in the bucket!!
> (continued . . .) you said "I am taking some physics teaching workshops in
> Chuxiong next week, on physics teaching research based strategies . "
> Great , Good luck and let me know what I can help , but I don't know where
> is Chuxiong ,it is in Yunnan ?when you are planning to stay , I am planning
> to go there for travel one day , can you spell the name again ?
> We are there Thursday 27th - Sunday 30th.
> I do not know what to expect: some people have talked about Chuxiong here in
> widely differing ways.
> I may be stuck for some last minute translating, if I am I will flick you
> some bits off the list.
> We will enjoy it. Whether we do any good remains to be seen.
> This is a little off the theme of TALO.
> On 24/12/2007, Leo Wong <leolo...@163.com> wrote:
> > Thank you Leigh and Derek ,I will surely read the man later when I got
> > time especially Derek ,what you wrote for me is really encouraging ,or
> > strangely speak to me in some way ,
> > you write : "Even without your post Self doubt and anxiety have increased
> > as I spend time here, I seem to know less than when I was at home. "
> > Why do you feel in this way , and what makes you feel in this way in China
> > ?
> > I personally have one big question in my head , there is one teacher he is
> > from Philpine , he is teaching the Audio producation , and he is a good
> > teacher and he makes students do the voice producation like writing a script
> > and make a audio every week , the students enjoy doing this coz it is kinda
> > fun , but from where I come from , most of people think that Chinese teacher
> > like me are teaching in a oldder way , I am sorry I am an exception , I
> > strongly aganist this ,and I told their student(also my students ) to upload
> > what they did to thewww.haokanbu.com( my best web2.0 website in China )
> > , and share with others ,and in one of my classes I urged one of group in my
> > class to do the presentation before their final one to other freshman
> > students , coz I felt that the best way to learn something is to teach it ,
> > I learned so much things from my 6 years of teaching in China , but what
> > they told me is they think I should not get so involoved with students they
> > told me I should keep a professional distance with my students , and he is
> > not Chinese , he is my boss he is from UK, he is marrying with a Chinese
> > wife , well he is right once I teach , I found it is hard for me to really
> > detach from what my students are doing , I began to feel emotionally
> > involoved with my students , which is I feel was okay , but they kept
> > telling me that you have to stay cool by not getting too closed with
> > students sorry .I remember I have read one post from
> >http://teachandlearn.ca/blogtalking about this . so using web2.0 in my
> > class makes me feel I am half-Chinese and half-westerner , there is Culture
> > shock from seeing my own people is even bigger and more painful to see from
> > foreign coutry I have not have many cross culuture expereience but I assume
> > this way .
> > you said "I am taking some physics teaching workshops in Chuxiong next
> > week, on physics teaching research based strategies . "
> > Great , Good luck and let me know what I can help , but I don't know where
> > is Chuxiong ,it is in Yunnan ?when you are planning to stay , I am planning
> > to go there for travel one day , can you spell the name again ?
> > again what you said " Even without your post Self doubt and anxiety have
> > increased as I spend time here, I seem to know less than when I was at home.
> > " really speak to me , I feel this all the time , in China , people are not
> > really apprecitating people from differeent culture , we will show our
> > interest , but as long as you began to lecture or you think that you can
> > change something , you made the wrong point , many things are not going in
> > this way I was doing workshop with American professor last summer , until
> > the last day of our workshop ,people began to like us coz we were doing
> > something called "demonstartion class" and we used what we have taught or
> > lecutured about in a real situation we were co-teaching together and I
> > helped this professor build a blog even when she was in US , and you know
> > what ? this blog helped us so much , we talked a lot of things with our
> > students before she came , we co-writing this blog , so that we have a good
> > connection with the students here , everything needed to be proved here
> > maybe the same with everywhere , but if this is your first time here in
> > China , be careful with this , I also would be happy to help out if you need
> > any unprofessional advices from my part just mail me .
> > Thank you again very much for the mail it is amazing that I couldmeet a
> > teacher from TALO and he is in China now ! Life is full of wonders !
On Dec 26, 2007 8:54 PM, alexanderhayes <alexanderhayes1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm always interested to see what sorts of "contextual" ads. appear in > TALO and none have topped this one. > Sponsored Links
Mine feel more TALO contextual?(below) But I have had some mail lists I have unsubbed from bcause the content was colouring my day in the wider gmail sense. Its a strange feeling when the cranky mails coming in your inbox get echo advertising. flamewar amplification. i would like to be able to vote things off topic in the advertising space. Advertising that thinks it fits you is a strange thing.
Janet
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You've given us some serious things to consider even if it smacks a
little of conspiracy theory...or perhaps not.
Perhaps all we need to do is think less and automate more.
This year I ate a turkey " Made proudly in China" the label stated. I
attended a church mass where you could insert answers to the Ministers
questions from the pulpit using wireless mobile buzzers.
Bought fish and chips from a decidedly elderly Vietnamese gentleman.
Received a scarf from an Aunty in Scotland. Talked to my uncle via
Skype for the first time in California.
Welcomed Bee in from Brazil.
Perhaps Google ads. are the future....a time when I can look forward
to my childrens sport carnivals sponsored by not only Intel and Sanyo
but by Facebook and the CIA.
We have reached a time of Limitlessness Infinity.....time to lighten
up.
You need to watch "Fear and Loathing in Los Vegas" followed by "Lost
Highway" by David Lynch to make sense of the 21st century.....one that
TAFE NSW has begrudgingly admits it needs to.
See you in Secondlife :)
On Dec 22, 7:31 pm, "Steven Parker" <sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2007 is almost over I'm taking some time out to sit on the sidewalk and
> watch others fly by on the innovation path we have been given. I'm wondering
> just 'Where are we going?' I'm looking to the near future.
> It seems to me these days innovation in flexible learning is about as much
> being the most aware and proficient consumer as it is about any other aspect
> of learning. I recall the many enthusiastic squeals of delight when I and
> the people within my network discover a new technology throwing ourselves
> wholeheartedly through our thoughts, behaviour and media, to a identity,
> often with much personal information which is then virally promulgated to
> our unwitting local community of teachers and students...but something has
> changed for me.
> I recently took part in a discussion with some colleagues on the huge 2007
> groundswell in use of networking technologies
> <http://nswlearnscope.com/>for teachers and students alike; facebook,
> wikis, blogs, photosharing and
> virtual worlds... we love them!
> From the conversation there is no doubt in the result, there are many
> positive outcomes for example:
> - in enabling ease of communication across distance
> - forming personal and professional relationships with each other,
> - empowering self expression/ modes of creativity
> - and importantly achieving great learning outcomes
> The excitement and sense of connection between people through the technology
> is palpable, I've heard "the pull towards the grid is strong" but in this
> talk, with radical technologies on the horizon for 2008 could we unwittingly
> or even willingly be being lead down the garden path, on a predetermined
> route based on predicative human behavior?
> Are we developing modes of learning, operating, communicating and seeing
> ourselves and others in the world based on a fait accompli <http:///> and
> could the success of the social networking within a life based learning
> model be a precursor to total systems of control?
> I remember Stephen Downe's great video on Groups and Network's, what really
> sticks in my mind is that word ' Democracy' on the whiteboard under
> networks<http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540&q=dow...>,
> the bottom up network as freedom, 'sticking it to the man'? on reflection
> I'm not so sure... as Orwell is quoted,""He who controls the past commands the
> future. He who commands the future conquers the past."
> The past - Learn to fulfill your function, we own you!
> Who controls the past? I'm recently looking to the past and the education
> system we know and love, where does it come from and what does it point to
> and importantly what does it mean for our children in the emergent networked
> world.
> *'Perhaps the greatest of school's illusions is that the institution was
> launched by a group of kindly men and women who wanted to help the children
> of ordinary families--to level the playing field, so to speak.' John Taylor
> Gatto*
> *'If modern schooling has a "Fourth Purpose," there must be an earlier
> three. Traditional forms of instruction in America, even before the
> Revolution, had three specific purposes:*
> 1. *To make good people*
> 2. *To make good citizens*
> 3. *And to make each student find some particular talents to develop
> to the maximum.*
> *The new mass schooling which came about slowly but continuously after 1890,
> had a different purpose, a "fourth" purpose. The fourth purpose steadily
> squeezed the traditional three to the margins of schooling; in the fourth
> purpose, school in America became like school in Germany, a servant of
> corporate and political management.*
> *We should reveal the mechanism of mind control training, habits, and
> attitudes. Children were literally trained in bad habits and bad attitudes!
> Teachers and principals, "scientifically"certified in teachers college
> practices, were made unaware of the invisible curriculum they really taught.
> *
> *The secret of commerce, that kids drive purchases, meant that schools had
> to become psychological laboratories where training in consumerism was the
> central pursuit.' - John Taylor Gatto'*
> Gatto above explains the change in education to get us to where we are today
> as the fourth purpose based on the the Business of Schooling
> <http://johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history4.htm>. It's no surprise that
> the root is founded on the power influence and money of the bank, corporate,
> industrial powers who seek ultimate control over peoples minds. In the not
> so distant past the hubric 'gods' of industry such as Ford, Rockefeller and
> JP Morgan needed men as the base resource to be used in the industrial
> production line system <http://www.storyofstuff.com/> (These elite families
> are still around running the UN! and Kyoto ahem).
> Do your own research, if you go looking for further evidence of involvement
> I suggest going to the horse's mouth, here's a fascinating interview from
> the 80's.
> Fortunes are spent on research by the elite through NGO's, round table
> groups and goverment on breaking down *human behaviourism, social
> engineering globally
> *<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2637635365191428174>to
> figure out how re-condition people to fit their New World Order
> control
> system and maintain their status quo and power (whilst becoming insanely
> wealthly in the process). Viz. through understanding the mind they can
> remake people into what we want them to be, the education system as we know
> has been the cornerstone of the elite's success (even the instructional
> design system that we know and love has it's origins within a military
> control system as challenged by Stephen Downes recently in his talk 'Free
> learning and control
> learning<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6353305476431305581&hl=en>
> ').
> Bread and circuses
> What's to be learnt from the past, it's all about the future right?, we're
> all familiar with Pink Floyd's 'The
> wall'<http://youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw>a song about the control
> system, what's changed since that was given to our
> culture? we're still learning to fulfill our function, except now we're
> enjoying the bread and circuses of entertainment as part of a networked
> control grid.
> As the old industrial and banking paper fiat currency systems collapse post
> 2008-2012<http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1196847394459&pagename=JPo...>and
> we move to the fiat electronic chipping system (It's happening), as
> before control of the technology and education system will be strategically
> used as part of conditioning to consolidate total control of future
> generations of worker's
yes ALex!! :) given you have a Google account, the adds by now more likely reflect your own interests than that of TALO. Make sure you are not logged into Google when you click hey ;)
On Dec 26, 2007 11:36 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucych...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 26, 2007 8:54 PM, alexanderhayes <alexanderhayes1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> > I'm always interested to see what sorts of "contextual" ads. appear in > > TALO and none have topped this one.
> > Sponsored Links
> Mine feel more TALO contextual?(below) > But I have had some mail lists I have unsubbed from bcause the content > was colouring my day > in the wider gmail sense. Its a strange feeling when the cranky mails > coming in your inbox get echo > advertising. flamewar amplification. i would like to be able to vote > things off topic in the advertising space. > Advertising that thinks it fits you is a strange thing.
> Janet
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How boring, maybe I'll learn some Film and makeup special effects given what I recently posted may have smacked of scifi fiction...hmmm
Just reread Brave New World over the xmas break, absolutlelty brilliant book (Propaganda) by Huxley. Written in 1932 I found the similarities of the fictional Brave New World to the real world today striking.
> yes ALex!! :) given you have a Google account, the adds by now more likely > reflect your own interests than that of TALO. Make sure you are not logged > into Google when you click hey ;)
> On Dec 26, 2007 11:36 PM, Janet Hawtin < lucych...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 26, 2007 8:54 PM, alexanderhayes <alexanderhayes1...@gmail.com> > > wrote:
> > > I'm always interested to see what sorts of "contextual" ads. appear in
> > > TALO and none have topped this one.
> > > Sponsored Links
> > Mine feel more TALO contextual?(below) > > But I have had some mail lists I have unsubbed from bcause the content > > was colouring my day > > in the wider gmail sense. Its a strange feeling when the cranky mails > > coming in your inbox get echo > > advertising. flamewar amplification. i would like to be able to vote > > things off topic in the advertising space. > > Advertising that thinks it fits you is a strange thing.
> > Janet
> > Study Abroad in China > > Academic & language courses for university students for $8,000/sem. > > YangtzeInternationalUniversity.org > > Learn Chinese at Tsinghua > > Accredited. China's top university. Complete Chinese immersion in China > > www.prcstudy.com > > Study Mandarin in China > > Cost effective language placement Variety of courses and start dates > > www.chinese-in-china.com > > Yunnan Tours > > Locally-hosted Yunan tour from $520 Check & book! Enjoy more & Pay less > > www.china-tour.cn > > Learn Chinese > > Learn Chinese in our online Courses with live teachers from Beijing. > > www.chinesevoice.com > > What is Culture Shock? > > Watch this movie to find out. Also on Amazn.com <http://amazn.com/> > > www.culturedocumentary.com > > Sea-kayak Fiji > > Guided journeys in beautiful Fiji. Adventure, culture, and nature. > > www.seakayakfiji.com > > More about... > > University Study in China » > > China Universities » > > China Uni » > > Chinese Course in China » > > Qinghua University » > > Starting Business in China » > > International Students in China » > > Master of in China » > > About these links
> yes ALex!! :) given you have a Google account, the adds by now more likely
> reflect your own interests than that of TALO. Make sure you are not logged
> into Google when you click hey ;)
> On Dec 26, 2007 11:36 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucych...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 26, 2007 8:54 PM, alexanderhayes <alexanderhayes1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I'm always interested to see what sorts of "contextual" ads. appear in
> > > TALO and none have topped this one.
> > > Sponsored Links
> > Mine feel more TALO contextual?(below)
> > But I have had some mail lists I have unsubbed from bcause the content
> > was colouring my day
> > in the wider gmail sense. Its a strange feeling when the cranky mails
> > coming in your inbox get echo
> > advertising. flamewar amplification. i would like to be able to vote
> > things off topic in the advertising space.
> > Advertising that thinks it fits you is a strange thing.
> > Janet
> > Study Abroad in China
> > Academic & language courses for university students for $8,000/sem.
> > YangtzeInternationalUniversity.org
> > Learn Chinese at Tsinghua
> > Accredited. China's top university. Complete Chinese immersion in China
> >www.prcstudy.com > > Study Mandarin in China
> > Cost effective language placement Variety of courses and start dates
> >www.chinese-in-china.com > > Yunnan Tours
> > Locally-hosted Yunan tour from $520 Check & book! Enjoy more & Pay less
> >www.china-tour.cn > > Learn Chinese
> > Learn Chinese in our online Courses with live teachers from Beijing.
> >www.chinesevoice.com > > What is Culture Shock?
> > Watch this movie to find out. Also on Amazn.com
> >www.culturedocumentary.com > > Sea-kayak Fiji
> > Guided journeys in beautiful Fiji. Adventure, culture, and nature.
> >www.seakayakfiji.com > > More about...
> > University Study in China »
> > China Universities »
> > China Uni »
> > Chinese Course in China »
> > Qinghua University »
> > Starting Business in China »
> > International Students in China »
> > Master of in China »
> > About these links
Basically I think we need to be able to do things bottom up. Keeping the choice close to the educator/student. National censorship cannot be nimble or subtle or diverse enough to be useful.
People in another thread were talking about how people work around word blocking Here was my response in that context.
==================
For an example in action visit an online MMORPG like Runescape which has a strong word based filter on in game chat.
http://runescape.com/ (You can create a free account but expect to go through a tutorial before finding yourself in a space where people are speaking. Saturated name space is also an interesting culture shaping factor.)
The language used to communicate in those kinds of spaces includes game item shorthand, sms shorthand and rewangled language designed for expression in the negative spaces between the filtered words.
The filter in this space also ignores whitespace so normal sentences can be blocked because the combinations of 2 words makes something which gets *****. This does change how people speak/write in those spaces. People are also more adept at enterpreting ***.
It is a game going through interesting times at the moment due to people trading game items or accounts for real money. The game company is responding by locking down the game economy which is having interesting impact on the community/play.
Changing from a supply demand based economy to a defined value economy will be an interesting social and economic experience for the kids in the western countries where the game is hosted.
Watching virtual spaces become more integrated with wider economics makes me want to ask questions about how societies would like to define their economies in online contexts and what these kinds of decisions contribute in shaping our wider cultural interactions.
Watching what is effectively a stockmarket crash in a game is interesting, but thinking about how virtual spaces shape economic thinking into the future is the related wider set of questions.
Those who create the rules of the game in online spaces do not participate in governance based on social or national interests except in as far as they want to retain good subscriptions. This game has previously banned large numbers of players for cheating by using auto accounts or breaking game rules. They are pretty strong on shaping the character of the space.
Kids have grown up watching the rules change around the economies they participate in. The rules are perhaps more changeable and transient. Their civic role is more as a subscriber than a voter or particpant. Perhaps these experiences contribute to future/current adult ideas about what is economically interesting or possible and where control of economies happen.
Economies which are contained within bubble of a single company's choices are an interesting phenomenon. Snow Crash was an exploration of these ideas some years before we could practice it. Games answering the challenge of free and open participation with restrictive social controls are an interesting phenomenon. Watching the same choices in play in our wider community makes me wonder what other strategies we are not trying (online, offline or in games) which might help us model free and responsible online communities.
"...Senator Conroy says it will be mandatory for all internet service
providers to provide clean feeds, or ISP filtering, to houses and
schools that are free of pornography and inappropriate material."
Houses and schools ? What about cafe's, brothels, garages, I-phones ?
Drop some key terms of Stephen Conroy's and watch your ad's go silly.
> The language used to communicate in those kinds of spaces includes
> game item shorthand, sms shorthand and rewangled language designed for
> expression in the negative spaces between the filtered words
Precisely.
This program contains coarse language, nudity and the occasional form
of gratuitous violence cloaked as justice for those bethrothed with
unmanned drones seeking virtues to inculcate with.
> Kids have grown up watching the rules change around the economies they
> participate in. The rules are perhaps more changeable and transient.
> Their civic role is more as a subscriber than a voter or participant.
Subscription is powerful.
Prescription becomes .....?
* listening to the dulcid tones of "America's Biggest Losers" whilst
my teenager questions why SMS ringtones websites are charging $5.70
AUD per ringtone complete with animated massacre screen saver*
On Jan 2, 8:13 pm, "Janet Hawtin" <lucych...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Basically I think we need to be able to do things bottom up.
> Keeping the choice close to the educator/student.
> National censorship cannot be nimble or subtle or diverse enough to be useful.
> People in another thread were talking about how people work around word blocking
> Here was my response in that context.
> ==================
> For an example in action visit an online MMORPG like Runescape which
> has a strong word based filter on in game chat.
> http://runescape.com/ > (You can create a free account but expect to go through a tutorial
> before finding yourself in a space where people are speaking.
> Saturated name space is also an interesting culture shaping factor.)
> The language used to communicate in those kinds of spaces includes
> game item shorthand, sms shorthand and rewangled language designed for
> expression in the negative spaces between the filtered words.
> The filter in this space also ignores whitespace so normal sentences
> can be blocked because the combinations of 2 words makes something
> which gets *****. This does change how people speak/write in those
> spaces. People are also more adept at enterpreting ***.
> It is a game going through interesting times at the moment due to
> people trading game items or accounts for real money. The game company
> is responding by locking down the game economy which is having
> interesting impact on the community/play.
> Changing from a supply demand based economy to a defined value economy
> will be an interesting social and economic experience for the kids in
> the western countries where the game is hosted.
> Watching virtual spaces become more integrated with wider economics
> makes me want to ask questions about how societies would like to
> define their economies in online contexts and what these kinds of
> decisions contribute in shaping our wider cultural interactions.
> Watching what is effectively a stockmarket crash in a game is
> interesting, but thinking about how virtual spaces shape economic
> thinking into the future is the related wider set of questions.
> Those who create the rules of the game in online spaces do not
> participate in governance based on social or national interests except
> in as far as they want to retain good subscriptions. This game has
> previously banned large numbers of players for cheating by using auto
> accounts or breaking game rules. They are pretty strong on shaping the
> character of the space.
> Kids have grown up watching the rules change around the economies they
> participate in. The rules are perhaps more changeable and transient.
> Their civic role is more as a subscriber than a voter or particpant.
> Perhaps these experiences contribute to future/current adult ideas about what is
> economically interesting or possible and where control of economies
> happen.
> Economies which are contained within bubble of a single company's
> choices are an interesting phenomenon. Snow Crash was an exploration
> of these ideas some years before we could practice it. Games answering
> the challenge of free and open participation with restrictive social
> controls are an interesting phenomenon. Watching the same choices in
> play in our wider community makes me wonder what other strategies we
> are not trying (online, offline or in games) which might help us model
> free and responsible online communities.
> "...Senator Conroy says it will be mandatory for all internet service > providers to provide clean feeds, or ISP filtering, to houses and > schools that are free of pornography and inappropriate material."
> Houses and schools ? What about cafe's, brothels, garages, I-phones ?
At first, I was fooled by the press release I had read about this censorship. It said that people can opt out of the ISP filter, and I thought it would just be a simple inconvenience for people, but not entirely censorship. But then Alex's comment citing brothels, hotels, cafes, etc had me realising that this will be far more than an inconvenience! When we think about all the connections we use other than our own, this censorship will be a right pain in the butt! Even more sinister might be the idea that people who opt out of the censorship will be watched closer by surveillance agencies.
On Jan 2, 2008 11:11 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucych...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "...Senator Conroy says it will be mandatory for all internet service > > providers to provide clean feeds, or ISP filtering, to houses and > > schools that are free of pornography and inappropriate material."
> > Houses and schools ? What about cafe's, brothels, garages, I-phones ?
Perhaps the idea of what one does online in our own free time not being 'kosher'/ 'uncensored' being viewed by our employer will be used as a form of self censorship, here is an interesting article from the ny times in this context:
> At first, I was fooled by the press release I had read about this > censorship. It said that people can opt out of the ISP filter, and I thought > it would just be a simple inconvenience for people, but not entirely > censorship. But then Alex's comment citing brothels, hotels, cafes, etc had > me realising that this will be far more than an inconvenience! When we think > about all the connections we use other than our own, this censorship will be > a right pain in the butt! Even more sinister might be the idea that people > who opt out of the censorship will be watched closer by surveillance > agencies.
> On Jan 2, 2008 11:11 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucych...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 PM, alexanderhayes <alexanderhayes1...@gmail.com> > > wrote:
> > > "...Senator Conroy says it will be mandatory for all internet service > > > providers to provide clean feeds, or ISP filtering, to houses and > > > schools that are free of pornography and inappropriate material."
> > > Houses and schools ? What about cafe's, brothels, garages, I-phones ?
"...Online civil libertarians yesterday warned the freedom of the
internet was at stake, while internet providers were concerned the new
measures could slow the internet in Australia to a crawl."
The Future Of Learning in a Networked World may well return to
moderated Moodle threads with sinbins and time out chairs.....ouch.
* fingers smarting with pronounced welt *
On Jan 2, 9:34 pm, "Leigh Blackall" <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> At first, I was fooled by the press release I had read about this
> censorship. It said that people can opt out of the ISP filter, and I thought
> it would just be a simple inconvenience for people, but not entirely
> censorship. But then Alex's comment citing brothels, hotels, cafes, etc had
> me realising that this will be far more than an inconvenience! When we think
> about all the connections we use other than our own, this censorship will be
> a right pain in the butt! Even more sinister might be the idea that people
> who opt out of the censorship will be watched closer by surveillance
> agencies.
> On Jan 2, 2008 11:11 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucych...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 PM, alexanderhayes <alexanderhayes1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > "...Senator Conroy says it will be mandatory for all internet service
> > > providers to provide clean feeds, or ISP filtering, to houses and
> > > schools that are free of pornography and inappropriate material."
> > > Houses and schools ? What about cafe's, brothels, garages, I-phones ?
> At first, I was fooled by the press release I had read about this
> censorship. It said that people can opt out of the ISP filter, and I thought
> it would just be a simple inconvenience for people, but not entirely
> censorship. But then Alex's comment citing brothels, hotels, cafes, etc had
> me realising that this will be far more than an inconvenience! When we think
> about all the connections we use other than our own, this censorship will be
> a right pain in the butt! Even more sinister might be the idea that people
> who opt out of the censorship will be watched closer by surveillance
> agencies.
> On Jan 2, 2008 11:11 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucych...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 PM, alexanderhayes <alexanderhayes1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > "...Senator Conroy says it will be mandatory for all internet service
> > > providers to provide clean feeds, or ISP filtering, to houses and
> > > schools that are free of pornography and inappropriate material."
> > > Houses and schools ? What about cafe's, brothels, garages, I-phones ?
"*Selective Technology *The Renaissance was not neo-Luddite. It was neither
an attempt to return to the horse and buggy nor a disavowal of new
technology that actually improved the quality of 21st century life.
Rather, it was an embrace of "Selective Technology": a technology of the
necessary. It was an embrace of what enhances human life rather than just
complicates it; a balanced blend of the best of the new and the best of the
old.
In 2009, there was no such thing as too much technology. People had become
Technoslaves (See "Technoslaves.com," *Trends Journal*®, Winter 2008. Click
here) It was impossible for whole generations to imagine life without
BlackBerries, texting, GPS, iPods, cell phones, the Internet. More = better.
New = better. One habit ripe for reconsideration was the relationship
between man and technology.
As Renaissance thinking began to take root, so did the understanding that
less equals more. "
> 2007 is almost over I'm taking some time out to sit on the sidewalk and
> watch others fly by on the innovation path we have been given. I'm wondering
> just 'Where are we going?' I'm looking to the near future.
> It seems to me these days innovation in flexible learning is about as much
> being the most aware and proficient consumer as it is about any other aspect
> of learning. I recall the many enthusiastic squeals of delight when I and
> the people within my network discover a new technology throwing ourselves
> wholeheartedly through our thoughts, behaviour and media, to a identity,
> often with much personal information which is then virally promulgated to
> our unwitting local community of teachers and students…but something has
> changed for me.
> I recently took part in a discussion with some colleagues on the huge 2007
> groundswell in use of networking technologies <http://nswlearnscope.com/>for teachers and students alike; facebook, wikis, blogs, photosharing and
> virtual worlds… we love them!
> From the conversation there is no doubt in the result, there are many
> positive outcomes for example:
> - in enabling ease of communication across distance
> - forming personal and professional relationships with each other,
> - empowering self expression/ modes of creativity
> - and importantly achieving great learning outcomes
> The excitement and sense of connection between people through the
> technology is palpable, I've heard "the pull towards the grid is strong" but
> in this talk, with radical technologies on the horizon for 2008 could we
> unwittingly or even willingly be being lead down the garden path, on a
> predetermined route based on predicative human behavior?
> Are we developing modes of learning, operating, communicating and seeing
> ourselves and others in the world based on a fait accompli <http:///>and
> could the success of the social networking within a life based learning
> model be a precursor to total systems of control?
> I remember Stephen Downe's great video on Groups and Network's, what really
> sticks in my mind is that word ' Democracy' on the whiteboard under
> networks<http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540&q=dow...>,
> the bottom up network as freedom, 'sticking it to the man'? on reflection
> I'm not so sure… as Orwell is quoted,""He who controls the past commands the
> future. He who commands the future conquers the past."
> The past - Learn to fulfill your function, we own you!
> Who controls the past? I'm recently looking to the past and the education
> system we know and love, where does it come from and what does it point to
> and importantly what does it mean for our children in the emergent networked
> world.
> *'Perhaps the greatest of school's illusions is that the institution was
> launched by a group of kindly men and women who wanted to help the children
> of ordinary families―to level the playing field, so to speak.' John Taylor
> Gatto*
> *'If modern schooling has a "Fourth Purpose," there must be an earlier
> three. Traditional forms of instruction in America, even before the
> Revolution, had three specific purposes:*
> 1. *To make good people*
> 2. *To make good citizens*
> 3. *And to make each student find some particular talents to develop to
> the maximum.*
> *The new mass schooling which came about slowly but continuously after
> 1890, had a different purpose, a "fourth" purpose. The fourth purpose
> steadily squeezed the traditional three to the margins of schooling; in the
> fourth purpose, school in America became like school in Germany, a servant
> of corporate and political management.*
> *We should reveal the mechanism of mind control training, habits, and
> attitudes. Children were literally trained in bad habits and bad attitudes!
> Teachers and principals, "scientifically"certified in teachers college
> practices, were made unaware of the invisible curriculum they really taught.
> *
> *The secret of commerce, that kids drive purchases, meant that schools had
> to become psychological laboratories where training in consumerism was the
> central pursuit.' - John Taylor Gatto'*
> Gatto above explains the change in education to get us to where we are
> today as the fourth purpose based on the the Business of Schooling
> <http://johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history4.htm>. It's no surprise
> that the root is founded on the power influence and money of the bank,
> corporate, industrial powers who seek ultimate control over peoples minds.
> In the not so distant past the hubric 'gods' of industry such as Ford,
> Rockefeller and JP Morgan needed men as the base resource to be used in the industrial
> production line system <http://www.storyofstuff.com/> (These elite
> families are still around running the UN! and Kyoto ahem).
> Do your own research, if you go looking for further evidence of involvement
> I suggest going to the horse's mouth, here's a fascinating interview from
> the 80's.
> Fortunes are spent on research by the elite through NGO's, round table
> groups and goverment on breaking down *human behaviourism, social
> engineering globally *<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2637635365191428174>to
> figure out how re-condition people to fit their New World Order control
> system and maintain their status quo and power (whilst becoming insanely
> wealthly in the process). Viz. through understanding the mind they can
> remake people into what we want them to be, the education system as we know
> has been the cornerstone of the elite's success (even the instructional
> design system that we know and love has it's origins within a military
> control system as challenged by Stephen Downes recently in his talk 'Free
> learning and control learning<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6353305476431305581&hl=en>
> ').
> Bread and circuses
> What's to be learnt from the past, it's all about the future right?, we're
> all familiar with Pink Floyd's 'The wall'<http://youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw>a song about the control system, what's changed since that was given to our
> culture? we're still learning to fulfill our function, except now we're
> enjoying the bread and circuses of entertainment as part of a networked
> control grid.
> As the old industrial and banking paper fiat currency systems collapse
> post 2008-2012<http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1196847394459&pagename=JPo...>and we move to the fiat electronic chipping system (It's happening), as
> before control of the technology and education system will be strategically
Jeez Sparks, what a grave digger you are sometimes. What brought you
back to this old thread?
Have you read Illich's Energy and Equity yet? Or Tools of
Conviviality? Looking forward to a talk along the lines of what you
suggest here, with Illich as our reference point..
On Oct 20, 9:42 pm, Steven Parker <sparke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "*Selective Technology *The Renaissance was not neo-Luddite. It was neither
> an attempt to return to the horse and buggy nor a disavowal of new
> technology that actually improved the quality of 21st century life.
> Rather, it was an embrace of "Selective Technology": a technology of the
> necessary. It was an embrace of what enhances human life rather than just
> complicates it; a balanced blend of the best of the new and the best of the
> old.
> In 2009, there was no such thing as too much technology. People had become
> Technoslaves (See "Technoslaves.com," *Trends Journal*®, Winter 2008. Click
> here) It was impossible for whole generations to imagine life without
> BlackBerries, texting, GPS, iPods, cell phones, the Internet. More = better.
> New = better. One habit ripe for reconsideration was the relationship
> between man and technology.
> As Renaissance thinking began to take root, so did the understanding that
> less equals more. "
> > 2007 is almost over I'm taking some time out to sit on the sidewalk and
> > watch others fly by on the innovation path we have been given. I'm wondering
> > just 'Where are we going?' I'm looking to the near future.
> > It seems to me these days innovation in flexible learning is about as much
> > being the most aware and proficient consumer as it is about any other aspect
> > of learning. I recall the many enthusiastic squeals of delight when I and
> > the people within my network discover a new technology throwing ourselves
> > wholeheartedly through our thoughts, behaviour and media, to a identity,
> > often with much personal information which is then virally promulgated to
> > our unwitting local community of teachers and students…but something has
> > changed for me.
> > I recently took part in a discussion with some colleagues on the huge 2007
> > groundswell in use of networking technologies <http://nswlearnscope.com/>for teachers and students alike; facebook, wikis, blogs, photosharing and
> > virtual worlds… we love them!
> > From the conversation there is no doubt in the result, there are many
> > positive outcomes for example:
> > - in enabling ease of communication across distance
> > - forming personal and professional relationships with each other,
> > - empowering self expression/ modes of creativity
> > - and importantly achieving great learning outcomes
> > The excitement and sense of connection between people through the
> > technology is palpable, I've heard "the pull towards the grid is strong" but
> > in this talk, with radical technologies on the horizon for 2008 could we
> > unwittingly or even willingly be being lead down the garden path, on a
> > predetermined route based on predicative human behavior?
> > Are we developing modes of learning, operating, communicating and seeing
> > ourselves and others in the world based on a fait accompli <http:///>and
> > could the success of the social networking within a life based learning
> > model be a precursor to total systems of control?
> > I remember Stephen Downe's great video on Groups and Network's, what really
> > sticks in my mind is that word ' Democracy' on the whiteboard under
> > networks<http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-4126240905912531540&q=dow...>,
> > the bottom up network as freedom, 'sticking it to the man'? on reflection
> > I'm not so sure… as Orwell is quoted,""He who controls the past commands the
> > future. He who commands the future conquers the past."
> > The past - Learn to fulfill your function, we own you!
> > Who controls the past? I'm recently looking to the past and the education
> > system we know and love, where does it come from and what does it point to
> > and importantly what does it mean for our children in the emergent networked
> > world.
> > *'Perhaps the greatest of school's illusions is that the institution was
> > launched by a group of kindly men and women who wanted to help the children
> > of ordinary families―to level the playing field, so to speak.' John Taylor
> > Gatto*
> > *'If modern schooling has a "Fourth Purpose," there must be an earlier
> > three. Traditional forms of instruction in America, even before the
> > Revolution, had three specific purposes:*
> > 1. *To make good people*
> > 2. *To make good citizens*
> > 3. *And to make each student find some particular talents to develop to
> > the maximum.*
> > *The new mass schooling which came about slowly but continuously after
> > 1890, had a different purpose, a "fourth" purpose. The fourth purpose
> > steadily squeezed the traditional three to the margins of schooling; in the
> > fourth purpose, school in America became like school in Germany, a servant
> > of corporate and political management.*
> > *We should reveal the mechanism of mind control training, habits, and
> > attitudes. Children were literally trained in bad habits and bad attitudes!
> > Teachers and principals, "scientifically"certified in teachers college
> > practices, were made unaware of the invisible curriculum they really taught.
> > *
> > *The secret of commerce, that kids drive purchases, meant that schools had
> > to become psychological laboratories where training in consumerism was the
> > central pursuit.' - John Taylor Gatto'*
> > Gatto above explains the change in education to get us to where we are
> > today as the fourth purpose based on the the Business of Schooling
> > <http://johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history4.htm>. It's no surprise
> > that the root is founded on the power influence and money of the bank,
> > corporate, industrial powers who seek ultimate control over peoples minds.
> > In the not so distant past the hubric 'gods' of industry such as Ford,
> > Rockefeller and JP Morgan needed men as the base resource to be used in the industrial
> > production line system <http://www.storyofstuff.com/> (These elite
> > families are still around running the UN! and Kyoto ahem).
> > Do your own research, if you go looking for further evidence of involvement
> > I suggest going to the horse's mouth, here's a fascinating interview from
> > the 80's.
> > Fortunes are spent on research by the elite through NGO's, round table
> > groups and goverment on breaking down *human behaviourism, social
> > engineering globally *<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2637635365191428174>to
> > figure out how re-condition people to fit their New World Order control
> > system and maintain their status quo and power (whilst becoming insanely
> > wealthly in the process). Viz. through understanding the mind they can
> > remake people into what we want them to be, the education system as we know
> > has been the cornerstone of the elite's success (even the instructional
> > design system that we know and love has it's origins within a military
> > control system as challenged by Stephen Downes recently in his talk 'Free
> > learning and control learning<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6353305476431305581&hl=en>
> > ').
> > Bread and circuses
> > What's to be learnt from the past, it's all about the future right?, we're
> > all familiar with Pink Floyd's 'The wall'<http://youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw>a song about the control system, what's changed since that was given to our
> > culture? we're still learning to fulfill our function, except now we're
> > enjoying the bread and circuses of entertainment as part of a networked
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