[mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Leigh
Blackall
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
Old man: We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall, go home.
Me: Thanks.
Old man: You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
On 8/7/05, Leigh Blackall <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
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That's outrageous! How long are we going to tollerate this?? I have an interview with DET this Thursday. I'll use it as an opportunity to bring this outrage to attention. Seeing as we are on the topic of walls (DET firewalls that is) perhaps we should start a little graf of our own. I'm made a quick graf of this outrage<http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/accessdetnied/>, and will for any other stupid examples of DET Firewall activity. I suppose they'd say that the site only has to be enabled... hope enabling can happen in the space of 2 minutes, because that's all it would take to piss 30 year 8 kids right off!
On 8/8/05, Grady, Jock <Jock.Gr...@det.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
> Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
> Had a look from outside the firewall – and think the site is really > thought-provoking with some great images.
> Regards
> *Jock Grady*
> *Manager, LearnScope NSW*
> -----Original Message----- > *From:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto: > teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Leigh Blackall > *Sent:* Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM > *To:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
> There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
> *Old man: *We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall, go home.* > Me:* Thanks.* > Old man:* You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
> On 8/7/05, *Leigh Blackall* <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Leigh Blackall wrote:
> That's outrageous! How long are we going to tollerate this?? I have an > interview with DET this Thursday. I'll use it as an opportunity to > bring this outrage to attention.
> Seeing as we are on the topic of walls (DET firewalls that is) perhaps > we should start a little graf of our own. I'm made a quick graf of > this outrage <http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/accessdetnied/>, and > will for any other stupid examples of DET Firewall activity. I suppose > they'd say that the site only has to be enabled... hope enabling can > happen in the space of 2 minutes, because that's all it would take to > piss 30 year 8 kids right off!
> On 8/8/05, *Grady, Jock* <Jock.Gr...@det.nsw.edu.au > <mailto:Jock.Gr...@det.nsw.edu.au>> wrote:
> Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
> Had a look from outside the firewall - and think the site is
> really thought-provoking with some great images.
> There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
> **Old man: **We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall,
> go home.*
> **Me:*** Thanks.*
> **Old man:*** You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
> On 8/7/05, *Leigh Blackall* < leighblack...@gmail.com
> <mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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Grady, Jock wrote:
> Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
> Had a look from outside the firewall - and think the site is really > thought-provoking with some great images.
> Regards
> */Jock Grady/*
> **Manager, LearnScope NSW**
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com > [mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Leigh > Blackall
> *Sent:* Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM
> *To:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
> There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
> **Old man: **We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall, go > home.*
> **Me:*** Thanks.*
> **Old man:*** You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
> On 8/7/05, *Leigh Blackall* <leighblack...@gmail.com > <mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> That's outrageous! How long are we going to tollerate this?? I have >> an interview with DET this Thursday. I'll use it as an opportunity to >> bring this outrage to attention.
>> Seeing as we are on the topic of walls (DET firewalls that is) >> perhaps we should start a little graf of our own. I'm made a quick >> graf of this outrage >> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/accessdetnied/>, and will for any >> other stupid examples of DET Firewall activity. I suppose they'd say >> that the site only has to be enabled... hope enabling can happen in >> the space of 2 minutes, because that's all it would take to piss 30 >> year 8 kids right off!
>> On 8/8/05, *Grady, Jock* <Jock.Gr...@det.nsw.edu.au >> <mailto:Jock.Gr...@det.nsw.edu.au>> wrote:
>> Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
>> Had a look from outside the firewall - and think the site is
>> really thought-provoking with some great images.
>> There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
>> **Old man: **We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall,
>> go home.*
>> **Me:*** Thanks.*
>> **Old man:*** You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
>> On 8/7/05, *Leigh Blackall* < leighblack...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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[mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Leigh
Blackall
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:15 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
That's outrageous! How long are we going to tollerate this?? I have an
interview with DET this Thursday. I'll use it as an opportunity to bring
this outrage to attention. Seeing as we are on the topic of walls (DET firewalls that is) perhaps
we should start a little graf of our own. I'm made a quick graf
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/accessdetnied/> of this outrage, and
will for any other stupid examples of DET Firewall activity. I suppose
they'd say that the site only has to be enabled... hope enabling can
happen in the space of 2 minutes, because that's all it would take to
piss 30 year 8 kids right off!
On 8/8/05, Grady, Jock <Jock.Gr...@det.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
Had a look from outside the firewall - and think the site is really
thought-provoking with some great images.
Regards
Jock Grady
Manager, LearnScope NSW
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From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto:
teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Leigh Blackall
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
Old man: We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall, go home.
Me: Thanks.
Old man: You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
On 8/7/05, Leigh Blackall < leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
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I have a good one for you
we are getting kicked out of our house in Redfern because they are selling ti - so looking for rental on Friday - and put in Google for LJ Hooker......
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From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Sean FitzGerald
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:21 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
I bet they've picked up on the keyword "grafitti" and consider that a crime. It would be interesting to find out if this was the case.
Not good for anyone working with YAR!
Sean
Grady, Jock wrote:
Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
Had a look from outside the firewall - and think the site is really thought-provoking with some great images.
Regards
Jock Grady
Manager, LearnScope NSW
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From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Leigh Blackall
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
Old man: We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall, go home.
Me: Thanks.
Old man: You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
On 8/7/05, Leigh Blackall < leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
I had better come clean now and say that I do not believe
that either art or beauty is optional in a sane society.
-- Jeanette Winterson
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Probably won't be of too much concern if it is blocked, but I am
curious...
Thanks, Kylie
ph: 4978 4016
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From: Sean FitzGerald [mailto:se...@tig.com.au] Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:21 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
I bet they've picked up on the keyword "grafitti" and consider that a
crime. It would be interesting to find out if this was the case.
Not good for anyone working with YAR!
Sean
Grady, Jock wrote:
Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
Had a look from outside the firewall - and think the site is really
thought-provoking with some great images.
teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Leigh Blackall
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
Old man: We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall, go home.
Me: Thanks.
Old man: You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
On 8/7/05, Leigh Blackall <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
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When working inside an Institute, I was blocked from refuguee action
sites during the height of the children overboard/woomera actions.
Also heard the wall is a hassle for nursing teachers, as female health
sites can be difficult to access.
Aaah, the vagaries of keyword based gate-keepers and net-nannies.
Be interested in other tales of denied access....
Thanks, Kylie
ph: 4978 4016
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From: Hutchens, Matthew [mailto:Matthew.Hutch...@det.nsw.edu.au] Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:24 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
Hi there
I have a good one for you
we are getting kicked out of our house in Redfern because they are
selling ti - so looking for rental on Friday - and put in Google for LJ
Hooker......
[mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Sean
FitzGerald
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:21 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
I bet they've picked up on the keyword "grafitti" and consider
that a crime. It would be interesting to find out if this was the case.
Not good for anyone working with YAR!
Sean
Grady, Jock wrote:
Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
Had a look from outside the firewall - and think the site is
really thought-provoking with some great images.
Regards
Jock Grady
Manager, LearnScope NSW
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto:
teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Leigh Blackall
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
Old man: We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall, go
home.
Me: Thanks.
Old man: You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
On 8/7/05, Leigh Blackall <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Makes one wonder just what crime DET is protecting against – crimes > against humanity or the greater evil of graffiti?
> *Jock *
> -----Original Message----- > *From:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto: > teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Leigh Blackall > *Sent:* Monday, 8 August 2005 11:15 AM > *To:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
> That's outrageous! How long are we going to tollerate this?? I have an > interview with DET this Thursday. I'll use it as an opportunity to bring > this outrage to attention. > Seeing as we are on the topic of walls (DET firewalls that is) perhaps we > should start a little graf of our own. I'm made a quick graf of this > outrage <http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/accessdetnied/>, and will for > any other stupid examples of DET Firewall activity. I suppose they'd say > that the site only has to be enabled... hope enabling can happen in the > space of 2 minutes, because that's all it would take to piss 30 year 8 kids > right off!
> On 8/8/05, *Grady, Jock* <Jock.Gr...@det.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
> Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
> Had a look from outside the firewall – and think the site is really > thought-provoking with some great images.
> Regards
> *Jock Grady*
> *Manager, LearnScope NSW*
> -----Original Message----- > *From:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto: > teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Leigh Blackall > *Sent:* Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM > *To:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
> There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
> *Old man: *We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall, go home.* > Me:* Thanks.* > Old man:* You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
> On 8/7/05, *Leigh Blackall* < leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ********************************************************************** > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > privileged information or confidential information or both. If you > are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. > **********************************************************************
[mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kylie Rowsell
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:25 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
Probably won't be of too much concern if it is blocked, but I am
curious...
Thanks, Kylie
ph: 4978 4016
_____
From: Sean FitzGerald [mailto:se...@tig.com.au] Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:21 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
I bet they've picked up on the keyword "grafitti" and consider that a
crime. It would be interesting to find out if this was the case.
Not good for anyone working with YAR!
Sean
Grady, Jock wrote:
Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
Had a look from outside the firewall - and think the site is really
thought-provoking with some great images.
Regards
Jock Grady
Manager, LearnScope NSW
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
[mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Leigh
Blackall
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
Old man: We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall, go home.
Me: Thanks.
Old man: You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
On 8/7/05, Leigh Blackall <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi there > I have a good one for you > we are getting kicked out of our house in Redfern because they are selling > ti - so looking for rental on Friday - and put in Google for LJ Hooker...... > access denied adult S*X > nice
> -----Original Message----- > *From:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto: > teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com]*On Behalf Of *Sean FitzGerald > *Sent:* Monday, 8 August 2005 11:21 AM > *To:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
> I bet they've picked up on the keyword "grafitti" and consider that a > crime. It would be interesting to find out if this was the case.
> Not good for anyone working with YAR!
> Sean
> Grady, Jock wrote:
> Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
> Had a look from outside the firewall – and think the site is really > thought-provoking with some great images.
> Regards
> *Jock Grady*
> *Manager, LearnScope NSW*
> -----Original Message----- > *From:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto: > teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Leigh Blackall > *Sent:* Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM > *To:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
> There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
> *Old man: *We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall, go home.* > Me:* Thanks.* > Old man:* You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
> On 8/7/05, *Leigh Blackall* <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ********************************************************************** > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > privileged information or confidential information or both. If you > are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. > **********************************************************************
> I had better come clean now and say that I do not believe > that either art or beauty is optional in a sane society. > -- Jeanette Winterson
> ********************************************************************** > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > privileged information or confidential information or both. If you > are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. > **********************************************************************
[mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Leigh
Blackall
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:33 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
Jeez! If you can send me a screen grab of the Access screen you got,
I'll super impose it on the LJ hooker site and load it to the Flicker
graf.
On 8/8/05, Hutchens, Matthew <Matthew.Hutch...@det.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
Hi there
I have a good one for you
we are getting kicked out of our house in Redfern because they are
selling ti - so looking for rental on Friday - and put in Google for LJ
Hooker......
access denied adult S*X
nice
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
[mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Sean
FitzGerald
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:21 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
I bet they've picked up on the keyword "grafitti" and consider that a
crime. It would be interesting to find out if this was the case.
Not good for anyone working with YAR!
Sean
Grady, Jock wrote:
Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
Had a look from outside the firewall - and think the site is really
thought-provoking with some great images.
Regards
Jock Grady
Manager, LearnScope NSW
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From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto:
<mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com>
teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Leigh Blackall
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
Old man: We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall, go home.
Me: Thanks.
Old man: You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
On 8/7/05, Leigh Blackall <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
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[mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Grady, Jock
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:38 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
[mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Leigh
Blackall
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:33 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
Jeez! If you can send me a screen grab of the Access screen you got,
I'll super impose it on the LJ hooker site and load it to the Flicker
graf.
On 8/8/05, Hutchens, Matthew < Matthew.Hutch...@det.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
Hi there
I have a good one for you
we are getting kicked out of our house in Redfern because they are
selling ti - so looking for rental on Friday - and put in Google for LJ
Hooker......
access denied adult S*X
nice
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto:
teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Sean FitzGerald
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:21 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
I bet they've picked up on the keyword "grafitti" and consider that a
crime. It would be interesting to find out if this was the case.
Not good for anyone working with YAR!
Sean
Grady, Jock wrote:
Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
Had a look from outside the firewall - and think the site is really
thought-provoking with some great images.
Regards
Jock Grady
Manager, LearnScope NSW
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto:
<mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com>
teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Leigh Blackall
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
Old man: We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall, go home.
Me: Thanks.
Old man: You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
On 8/7/05, Leigh Blackall < leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> cheers Jock > makes me think if I was a TAFE real Estate student I would do my Cert > through OTEN
> -----Original Message----- > *From:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto: > teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com]*On Behalf Of *Grady, Jock > *Sent:* Monday, 8 August 2005 11:38 AM > *To:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
> -----Original Message----- > *From:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto: > teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Leigh Blackall > *Sent:* Monday, 8 August 2005 11:33 AM > *To:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
> Jeez! If you can send me a screen grab of the Access screen you got, I'll > super impose it on the LJ hooker site and load it to the Flicker graf.
> On 8/8/05, *Hutchens, Matthew* <Matthew.Hutch...@det.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
> Hi there
> I have a good one for you
> we are getting kicked out of our house in Redfern because they are selling > ti - so looking for rental on Friday - and put in Google for LJ Hooker......
> access denied adult S*X
> nice
> -----Original Message----- > *From:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto: > teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com]*On Behalf Of *Sean FitzGerald > *Sent:* Monday, 8 August 2005 11:21 AM > *To:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
> I bet they've picked up on the keyword "grafitti" and consider that a > crime. It would be interesting to find out if this was the case.
> Not good for anyone working with YAR!
> Sean
> Grady, Jock wrote:
> Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
> Had a look from outside the firewall – and think the site is really > thought-provoking with some great images.
> Regards
> *Jock Grady*
> *Manager, LearnScope NSW*
> -----Original Message----- > *From:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] > *On Behalf Of *Leigh Blackall > *Sent:* Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM > *To:* teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
> There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
> *Old man: *We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall, go home.* > Me:* Thanks.* > Old man:* You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
> On 8/7/05, *Leigh Blackall* <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
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well yeah.... good advice Leigh do you mean from Redfern or...lol
no further eamples at this time ....but as another juxtaposition - I just got this spam below through to me at work...I know there are abviously different processes at play here....but kinda weird when cant look up an apartment but can get plenty of support with life "enhancement
email recieved at 1210 today
You know you need it. The longer and thicker you are, the better everyone involved will be.
Don't delay on the world's best solution for your problem. Make "it" work like a king today.
On 8/8/05, Hutchens, Matthew < <mailto:Matthew.Hutch...@det.nsw.edu.au> Matthew.Hutch...@det.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
cheers Jock
makes me think if I was a TAFE real Estate student I would do my Cert through OTEN
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Grady, Jock
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:38 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto: <mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com> teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Leigh Blackall
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:33 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
Jeez! If you can send me a screen grab of the Access screen you got, I'll super impose it on the LJ hooker site and load it to the Flicker graf.
On 8/8/05, Hutchens, Matthew < Matthew.Hutch...@det.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
Hi there
I have a good one for you
we are getting kicked out of our house in Redfern because they are selling ti - so looking for rental on Friday - and put in Google for LJ Hooker......
access denied adult S*X
nice
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com <mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com> [mailto: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Sean FitzGerald
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:21 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
I bet they've picked up on the keyword "grafitti" and consider that a crime. It would be interesting to find out if this was the case.
Not good for anyone working with YAR!
Sean
Grady, Jock wrote:
Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
Had a look from outside the firewall – and think the site is really thought-provoking with some great images.
Regards
Jock Grady
Manager, LearnScope NSW
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com <mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com> [mailto: <mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com> teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Leigh Blackall
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
Old man: We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall, go home.
Me: Thanks.
Old man: You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
On 8/7/05, Leigh Blackall < <mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com> leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
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[mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hutchens, Matthew
Sent: 8 August 2005 12:18 PM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
well yeah.... good advice Leigh
do you mean from Redfern or...lol
no further eamples at this time ....but as another juxtaposition - I just
got this spam below through to me at work...I know there are abviously
different processes at play here....but kinda weird when cant look up an
apartment but can get plenty of support with life "enhancement
email recieved at 1210 today
You know you need it. The longer and thicker you are, the better everyone
involved will be.
Don't delay on the world's best solution for your problem. Make "it" work
like a king today.
On 8/8/05, Hutchens, Matthew < Matthew.Hutch...@det.nsw.edu.au
<mailto:Matthew.Hutch...@det.nsw.edu.au> > wrote:
cheers Jock
makes me think if I was a TAFE real Estate student I would do my Cert
through OTEN
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
[mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Grady, Jock
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:38 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto:
<mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com>
teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Leigh Blackall
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:33 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
Jeez! If you can send me a screen grab of the Access screen you got, I'll
super impose it on the LJ hooker site and load it to the Flicker graf.
On 8/8/05, Hutchens, Matthew <Matthew.Hutch...@det.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
Hi there
I have a good one for you
we are getting kicked out of our house in Redfern because they are selling
ti - so looking for rental on Friday - and put in Google for LJ Hooker......
access denied adult S*X
nice
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
[mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Sean FitzGerald
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:21 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
I bet they've picked up on the keyword "grafitti" and consider that a crime.
It would be interesting to find out if this was the case.
Not good for anyone working with YAR!
Sean
Grady, Jock wrote:
Interesting to see how the DET network handles this link!
Had a look from outside the firewall - and think the site is really
thought-provoking with some great images.
Regards
Jock Grady
Manager, LearnScope NSW
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto:
<mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com>
teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Leigh Blackall
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in that site:
Old man: We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall, go home.
Me: Thanks.
Old man: You paint the wall, you make it look beautiful.
On 8/7/05, Leigh Blackall < leighblack...@gmail.com
<mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com> > wrote:
it's just a bloody firewall!! :-))))) no human intelligence or capacity for discrimination. they need to set the bar somewhere and words like "hooker" appear to have been included in the lexicon of exclusions.
whevever i came across things that were barred and needed to be included (because they weren't offensive), i just wrote to the central techo unit and asked them to manually let through that particular site. and they did.
just tell them. they're public servants too - they probably don't give a rat's arse. i really think that choosing to see them as "they" who are preventing us from seeing what we need to see, just infantalises us. they're the department of education. there's occasional scandal with teachers looking up kiddie porn. parents and community get justifiably upset. so they set up the firewalls in line with policies governing that sort of stuff. and words like "sexual harassment" (which are within DET policy) get banned just because of some 0's and 1's. no big deal. and easily fixed.
cheers
r
On 8/8/05, Leigh Blackall <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm just always fascinated by language and its vagaries....
Another time when language does not serve us, where hooker means "real
estate' and 'lady of the night"...
It's a larger 'problem' of the web, with all the folksonomies, tagging
(if we ban 'nigger' will we negate info on disaffected black youth circa
- NiggasWithAttitude, seminal rap band?), human categorization (like
Flickr) going on. Language. Yum!
But that's another topic....
Thanks, Kylie
ph: 4978 4016
_____
From: rgrozdanic [mailto:rgrozda...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 1:58 PM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
it's just a bloody firewall!! :-))))) no human intelligence or capacity
for discrimination. they need to set the bar somewhere and words like
"hooker" appear to have been included in the lexicon of exclusions.
whevever i came across things that were barred and needed to be included
(because they weren't offensive), i just wrote to the central techo unit
and asked them to manually let through that particular site. and they
did.
just tell them. they're public servants too - they probably don't give a
rat's arse. i really think that choosing to see them as "they" who are
preventing us from seeing what we need to see, just infantalises us.
they're the department of education. there's occasional scandal with
teachers looking up kiddie porn. parents and community get justifiably
upset. so they set up the firewalls in line with policies governing that
sort of stuff. and words like "sexual harassment" (which are within DET
policy) get banned just because of some 0's and 1's. no big deal. and
easily fixed.
cheers
r
On 8/8/05, Leigh Blackall <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
You poor souls working under an iron curtain. ...
go west, where the air is cear. go west where the ...
I was just preparing to reply to this outrage when the computer
crashed...prophetic,
The problem, of course you would all be aware is managing the risks to
young and vulnerable people in TAFE. And as TAFE shares a network with
DET, polices that apply to schools apply to TAFE. This is very
frustrating especially when teachers and students are prohibited from
accessing valuable teaching and learning material for example from the
BBC sites. The tail wags the dog.
I have less sympathy for Matthews real estate problem, I see that more
simply as a time waster that he has to take time off work to find a
place to live.
I have been involved in some discussion recently about WEB Services
which involved identifying whether the Institute would require self
administration of the DET filter, that is sites can be taken off the
filter at a local level, and others put on.
I am open to comments about this however would be personally more
confident in arguing that the risks are low and that the filter could be
managed locally if our staff were not accessing crime sites and other
material from the Web now! From the reports I have read in the last few
years porn and other sites are still very high usage by staff.
Has anyone asked for the site in question to be taken off the filter????
[mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Smith
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 1:12 PM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
Leigh ,what a great chuckle for a Monday ( if it were not so serious ,
free here too thank goodness !)
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
[mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hutchens,
Matthew
Sent: 8 August 2005 12:18 PM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
well yeah.... good advice Leigh
do you mean from Redfern or...lol
no further eamples at this time ....but as another juxtaposition - I
just got this spam below through to me at work...I know there are
abviously different processes at play here....but kinda weird when cant
look up an apartment but can get plenty of support with life
"enhancement
email recieved at 1210 today
You know you need it. The longer and thicker you are, the better
everyone involved will be.
Don't delay on the world's best solution for your problem. Make "it"
work like a king today.
On 8/8/05, Hutchens, Matthew < Matthew.Hutch...@det.nsw.edu.au
<mailto:Matthew.Hutch...@det.nsw.edu.au> > wrote:
cheers Jock
makes me think if I was a TAFE real Estate student I would do my
Cert through OTEN
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto:
teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Grady, Jock
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:38 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com [mailto: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
<mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Leigh
Blackall
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:33 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
Jeez! If you can send me a screen grab of the Access
screen you got, I'll super impose it on the LJ hooker site and load it
to the Flicker graf.
On 8/8/05, Hutchens, Matthew <
Matthew.Hutch...@det.nsw.edu.au> wrote:
Hi there
I have a good one for you
we are getting kicked out of our house in Redfern
because they are selling ti - so looking for rental on Friday - and put
in Google for LJ Hooker......
access denied adult S*X
nice
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
[mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Sean
FitzGerald
Sent: Monday, 8 August 2005 11:21 AM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
I bet they've picked up on the keyword
"grafitti" and consider that a crime. It would be interesting to find
out if this was the case.
Not good for anyone working with YAR!
Sean
Grady, Jock wrote:
Interesting to see how the DET network handles
this link!
Had a look from outside the firewall - and think
the site is really thought-provoking with some great images.
Regards
Jock Grady
Manager, LearnScope NSW
-----Original Message-----
From: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
[mailto: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com
<mailto:teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Leigh
Blackall
Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2005 9:22 PM
To: teachAndLearnOnline@googlegroups.com Subject: :: TALO :: Re: stop the wall
There's a hint to why that war keeps going on in
that site:
Old man: We don't want it to be beautiful, we
hate this wall, go home.
Me: Thanks.
Old man: You paint the wall, you make it look
beautiful.
On 8/7/05, Leigh Blackall < leighblack...@gmail.com <mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Not that easy. If I was handling a year 8 class, having a good old discussion, things going well, when one of the kids mentioned Banksy's graffiti but we could look at it. So we tried a Google search for it and got stopped again. Good bye nice year 8 class.
On 8/8/05, rgrozdanic <rgrozda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> it's just a bloody firewall!! :-))))) no human intelligence or capacity > for discrimination. they need to set the bar somewhere and words like > "hooker" appear to have been included in the lexicon of exclusions. > whevever i came across things that were barred and needed to be included > (because they weren't offensive), i just wrote to the central techo unit and > asked them to manually let through that particular site. and they did. > just tell them. they're public servants too - they probably don't give a > rat's arse. i really think that choosing to see them as "they" who are > preventing us from seeing what we need to see, just infantalises us. they're > the department of education. there's occasional scandal with teachers > looking up kiddie porn. parents and community get justifiably upset. so they > set up the firewalls in line with policies governing that sort of stuff. and > words like "sexual harassment" (which are within DET policy) get banned just > because of some 0's and 1's. no big deal. and easily fixed. > cheers
> r
> On 8/8/05, Leigh Blackall <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You poor souls working under an iron curtain. ...
> > go west, where the air is cear. go west where the ...
I absolutely understand what you're saying Leigh but the Department is damned either way - charged with the care of the year 8's (and even in TAFE, taking on board Maria's comments, there are still under 18's who are in your care while studying as well as all ages when it comes to the legal responsibility of not exposing clients to pornography or content which is sexist, racist and so on). So they have to implement things that will work most of the time. The other option is to allow any sites and ban problematic ones as they emerge but can you imagine some of the wowsers who would complain to a Current Affair because they looked up LJHooker for their real estate class and got sent to a porn site? (which happens all the time to people with computers but in this litigious age is problematic to organisations).
With the kid in year 8 mentioning Bansky's grafitti and the site being firewalled, what if a kid mentions the Wiggles site but you can't view it cos the servers are down? Do you abandon the class? Blame the department for depriving the group of a few minutes of "wake up Jeff"? Or do you ask them to describe what they saw or talk about, or to bring jpegs or mpegs or mp3s of it to the next class or perhaps talk about censorship and reasons why a site like that might be banned even though it doesn't contain porn or anything that would commonly be considered inappropriate in that context. And in the meantime you could have a word with the techos about allowing the site through for the next class.
i'm not particularly fond of large organisations either but in this case I don't really understand why it's such a big deal - I'm way more concerned about things like training packages and what's being done to our universities if the truth be told.... :-)
r
On 8/8/05, Leigh Blackall <leighblack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not that easy. If I was handling a year 8 class, having a good old > discussion, things going well, when one of the kids mentioned Banksy's > graffiti but we could look at it. So we tried a Google search for it and got > stopped again. Good bye nice year 8 class.
These services provide an effective way to curcumvent censors and are regularly used by people in countries with actively restrictive governments such as China.
And I agree with you that we should embrace our confrontation with
nudity, sex, drugs, violence, and spam in an institutional context
as a positive thing, an opportunity to teach and learn and grow. The
more we avoid dealing with these issues, the more we give up sharing
our experience and wisdom (?) with young people about them. These
are part of their world, so they should likewise be issues in the
classroom.
Will goes on to say:
That's not to say that we don't continue to filter out the worst of
it, and that we take every measure to protect our kids from the
ne'er do wells of the world. But instead of denying access to a ton
of good content that's coming out of blogs and wikis and other
sources, let's teach kids how to deal with this new world. We do our
students a disservice if we don't teach them that spamming and file
sharing is unethical and illegal, that pornography (and half of the
magazine covers at the local convenience store) demeans and degrades
and objectifies women in ways that should not and cannot be tolerated.
One thing I think is happening more and more with the new technologies and the openness and easy access of the Internet is that we are being forced to rely less and less on technological solutions to control people and their behaviours and more and more on communications skills, group agreements, etiquette etc. Personally I think this is a good thing.
The control comes in the community's ability to self-regulate and to arrive at agreed-upon rules of behaviour, and everybody has an equal role in keeping everybody else to those agreements. I think this points to a fundamental shift away from a paternalistic worldview, where we allow ourselves to become infantilised, relying on some authority figure (an editor or a forum moderator) to take responsibility for keeping people in line. I think in the past we have transferred this authority to technologies (password protection, levels of security or user access) and now we are moving into a different era. Wikipedia is probably the best example of this shift.
This could mean that part of the new teacher's role is to teach communications skills, conflict resolution skills, negotiation skills etc. Teachers probably aren't going to be thrilled by this new role of teaching social skills, but when you set up a bunch of blogs, forums and wikis for kids to interact on outside of class times, it seems that some of the responsibility for dealing with what goes on there (cyber-bullying perhaps) will have to come back to the teacher.
rgrozdanic wrote:
> I absolutely understand what you're saying Leigh but the Department is > damned either way - charged with the care of the year 8's (and even in > TAFE, taking on board Maria's comments, there are still under 18's who > are in your care while studying as well as all ages when it comes to > the legal responsibility of not exposing clients to pornography or > content which is sexist, racist and so on). So they have to implement > things that will work most of the time. The other option is to allow > any sites and ban problematic ones as they emerge but can you imagine > some of the wowsers who would complain to a Current Affair because > they looked up LJHooker for their real estate class and got sent to a > porn site? (which happens all the time to people with computers but in > this litigious age is problematic to organisations).
> With the kid in year 8 mentioning Bansky's grafitti and the site being > firewalled, what if a kid mentions the Wiggles site but you can't view > it cos the servers are down? Do you abandon the class? Blame the > department for depriving the group of a few minutes of "wake up Jeff"? > Or do you ask them to describe what they saw or talk about, or to > bring jpegs or mpegs or mp3s of it to the next class or perhaps talk > about censorship and reasons why a site like that might be banned even > though it doesn't contain porn or anything that would commonly be > considered inappropriate in that context. And in the meantime you > could have a word with the techos about allowing the site through for > the next class.
> i'm not particularly fond of large organisations either but in this > case I don't really understand why it's such a big deal - I'm way more > concerned about things like training packages and what's being done to > our universities if the truth be told.... :-)
> r
> On 8/8/05, *Leigh Blackall* <leighblack...@gmail.com > <mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Not that easy. If I was handling a year 8 class, having a good old
> discussion, things going well, when one of the kids mentioned
> Banksy's graffiti but we could look at it. So we tried a Google
> search for it and got stopped again. Good bye nice year 8 class.
Creativity is a central source of meaning in our lives... [and] when we are involved in it, we feel that we are
living more fully than during the rest of life.
-- Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
sean and all - i *totally* agree with what you're all saying my question is - you're the director of DET for a month - what are you literally going to do? how much power do you have in the situation? you're governed by laws that you didn't create, you're liable for every breach, you're increasingly operating in a context where you're in locus parentis (where even children's moral education, physical fitness, yadda yadda yadda, is - according to community expectations - increasingly in your court). if we're really going to discuss this in meaningful ways, we can't just point to a system and say it sucks and leave it at that. how about some ideas for solutions that are possible and realistic? how to handle it (ie will richardson's and sean's ideas and observations) at educator and individual levels is another issue and obviously the most sensible solution but it still doesn't address the broader systemic issues like the community's expectations, perceptions and occasional mob-like behaviour, the mandate given to the department and all the current reasons why things are the way they are. i'm a bit stunned that i'm becoming an apologist for the department in this interaction - it's ironic, really - but i'm seriously asking you to tell me what you would do if you were in charge? cos if you're not providing a fair appraisal of the particular situation plus ideas for solutions or strategies, what's the point of pointing to "them" all the time?? what would you do, that is realistic, do-able and legal, that could change these matters? because i believe that the minute we generate those sorts of solutions, it might get easier to start filtering them up the system and getting the change you want. don't you see that we *are* them? (or at least a number of people in this group who still work there are). what am i missing here?
On 8/8/05, Sean FitzGerald <se...@tig.com.au> wrote:
> And I agree with you that we should embrace our confrontation with nudity, > sex, drugs, violence, and spam in an institutional context as a positive > thing, an opportunity to teach and learn and grow. The more we avoid dealing > with these issues, the more we give up sharing our experience and wisdom (?) > with young people about them. These are part of their world, so they should > likewise be issues in the classroom.
> Will goes on to say:
> That's not to say that we don't continue to filter out the worst of it, > and that we take every measure to protect our kids from the ne'er do wells > of the world. But instead of denying access to a ton of good content that's > coming out of blogs and wikis and other sources, let's teach kids how to > deal with this new world. We do our students a disservice if we don't teach > them that spamming and file sharing is unethical and illegal, that > pornography (and half of the magazine covers at the local convenience store) > demeans and degrades and objectifies women in ways that should not and > cannot be tolerated.
> One thing I think is happening more and more with the new technologies and > the openness and easy access of the Internet is that we are being forced to > rely less and less on technological solutions to control people and their > behaviours and more and more on communications skills, group agreements, > etiquette etc. Personally I think this is a good thing.
> The control comes in the community's ability to self-regulate and to > arrive at agreed-upon rules of behaviour, and everybody has an equal role in > keeping everybody else to those agreements. I think this points to a > fundamental shift away from a paternalistic worldview, where we allow > ourselves to become infantilised, relying on some authority figure (an > editor or a forum moderator) to take responsibility for keeping people in > line. I think in the past we have transferred this authority to technologies > (password protection, levels of security or user access) and now we are > moving into a different era. Wikipedia is probably the best example of this > shift.
> This could mean that part of the new teacher's role is to teach > communications skills, conflict resolution skills, negotiation skills etc. > Teachers probably aren't going to be thrilled by this new role of teaching > social skills, but when you set up a bunch of blogs, forums and wikis for > kids to interact on outside of class times, it seems that some of the > responsibility for dealing with what goes on there (cyber-bullying perhaps) > will have to come back to the teacher.
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