Who's your perfect lover ?
alexanderhayes
There , it would seem, (according to one individual ), little or no
real connections made during the TALO swapmeet . I'll leave Peter to
seek how it did work and how to catch threads in the last post.
In fact, criticism of the event ( through the gossip channels I'm
party too ) is that in fact virtual participants to the TALO swapmeet
were locked out of the event and that no one really gave a toss who
was online nor what they had to contribute. Did anyone really chase
Stephen Downe's skypecast and if not why not ? Was it because little
of us have the ability to converse in two modes simultaneously ? Like
two naughty indiviuduals distracting Sean in Second Life as he tried
to bridge the gap ?
I made some effort to apologise for the crazy array - did anyone stop
to ask anything or are we happy just to keep on putting links to more
cool tools into this Googli-eyed threaded graveyard ? Was there anyone
at the other end or were they just unlucky and Nancy White got semi-
lucky ?
In fact I've had it said to me directly by another colleague that an
ensuing impetus to repeat anything that resembles FLNW 1, 2 or
swapmeets had better be ready for some flack directed as critical
feedback about how navel gazing, tech, geek, nerd, self important anti-
socialist wankers the lot of you appear to be.
Me included.
It just became a whole heap of whys, hows and what the heck fors.
Because we can and we do and because we enjoy it was my reply.
Didnt cut it. They kept Skypeing me and I finally ignored them.
I tried to defend the matter when more hits came in only to be hit
with more foul anti-fouling in the form of vicious eurocentric
misogynist maledrom politic. Blocked them.For the first time in my
life.
Again it comes back to peoples pereception as to whats working and
whats a waste of time dont you think ?. I had to agree with this un-
named and vile creature when they mentioned that it's best I retire to
my pizza and console stroking my ego and congratulating others for
their attempts to be enthusiatic about anything that takes people away
from their "connections" for more than one minute.
TALO.
Heaven forbid we return to debating what the heck a group or network
is. Or what TALO actually does or could do or should do and is placed
and positioned to do.
Perhaps it's just about bookmarking for the hell of it. Designing
things that scrape, feed and spit out fancy bits at the other end. Why
not just get black and petty about it all and winge and groan about
how hard life is and how screwed up the world is and why we ignore our
kids and get fat and unhappy and screw the next door neighbours avatar
in some other benign life.
Or perhaps, upon reflection, and distracted by the Google
advertisements in the sidebar, that this comment is generating, it's
about forgetting for one minute than any of this whole web 2.0 thing
really matters at all and that we can check our feed-readers once a
week and that will suffice.
Is it Teach and Learn Online or is it Tug And Look Outside ?
I'm going to spend the next week self-assesing myself against the
Wikiversity ranked order-of-importance-self-scheduling criteria list
disguised as a pyschological and socio-path monitor..........failing
that testing the grounds in the land where no one dares say 'common'
and 'wealth' in differing time zones.
What would you say to these nasty allegations of TALO'ians and who
what where why and when ?
Hmmm......yup.......it's not worthy of pub poetry Leigh as I'm as
sober as a judge.
Back to the blog.
peter allen
I'll leave Peter to
seek how it did work and how to catch threads in the last post.
Feel better now Alex? good.
Actually - tonight we had a Skype conference between the swapmeet unorganizers and we identified pretty much the same issues as you had.
Our plan was to open up the review and criticism to the mail list so that problems could be identified and strategies could be formulated so that the next swapmeet avoided the same pitfalls.
We were going to do this low key and get everybody onside. but, a blustery email may shock everybody out of their complacency .
Some aspects of the swapmeet were experimental "an unconference with no structure" was one. - we now know that waiting for an unconference to self-organize wastes valuable time. Its better to provide a basic framework to work within
We also found that a continuous 9 to 5 program without breaks means no time for reflection, and no time to " make meaning" of the new ideas we've been exposed to.
Although we had great technology to enable virtual participants, to make it work needed proper facilitation and control.
I still think that the unconference is a great concept and more conferences should be run in this way, but with all things experimental we need a little help and tolerance from everyone to improve the experience.
rgrozdanic
re the online part of it, this obviously needs further discussion - i'm not a big fan of it, having sat through two, and think it might work better when everyone is online or, as you're planning with the philipines one, allocate moderators and hosts and other intermediaries who can manage the complex range of tasks required to make it look "seamless". my reason for attending those things *is* to spend f2f time with people i like. i don't feel the compunction to be or do anything other than show up, participate and enjoy (especially given that i'm using my recreation leave to do so and the expenses involved in flying there and paying for hotel accommodation etc).
i don't know why you were the lightning rod for these people's angst. i suspect it's because you work for a public institution and people tend to use those roles as whipping boys for a whole bunch of frustrations and old hatreds. that's one reason why i left that wonderful workplace you're in at the moment - too many clowns making mischief because they could, the system not really understanding the boundaries between public service and public spectacle, the whole online thing creating a set of conditions where projections are rife and the old rules of engagement start leaking bigtime (which then starts a whole other set of "solutions" that make it worse, like all that censorware stuff and policies that bill et al blog about).
i agree with peter about bringing the conversation out in the open. that's the best way to encourage genuine conversation, genuine concerns, genuine ideas for future events and discourage the sort of thing you've been experiencing with the skypebombs. i also think, given that we only had two days, that it would be useful to build some content on the wiki around the different topics/presentations listed for the unconference and continue the conversation and learning. there's so much we didn't get to do. we can either whinge and moan or keep going and catch up on what we missed using the tools at hand. it's really up to us.
r
grahamwegner
it was on my doorstep but that's the way it goes) but I found myself
buzzing with thought, able to view my current sector in valuable and
useful light and with renewed insight into some of the bigger issues
facing web-orientated education anywhere. I didn't even give up
personal time but begged leave from my principal so I'm full of
admiration for those of you who shelled out of your own pocket to come
and kick ideas around. I found the unconference approach to be
unnerving at first, but very satisfying as I got to lay some of my own
issues out for discussion and have them twisted, stretched and added
to by those assembled. The online component is always hard to manage,
it's probably why people make the effort to get to events f2f. For me
asynchronous access is always useful - it's how I kept tabs on FLNW
although the amount of media being produced was hard to keep up with!
Rose, I think you're right - let's keep the conversations going, at
least the ones that are important to each of us personally and add to
them in the way we feel comfortable - I'm more likely to blog my
thoughts than anything else, skype conference calls are another way
where a group of 3/4 people can connect over a chosen topic and
record for the rest of us to pick over, add content to
wikieducator ... whatever. In a network, we don't all have to be
pursuing the same ideas but using this group as a way of connecting to
others to learn more.
Just my thoughts, for what they're worth. (not much!)
Graham
brent
http://pedagogyofthecompressed.blogspot.com/2007/03/scraping-feeding-and-spitting-out-flnw2.html
br3nt.
On Mar 21, 1:30 am, "alexanderhayes" <alexanderhayes1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
alexanderhayes
sense that no one gives a toss about those that wish to spurn fellow
TALOian inquisitiveness......join our rabid passion.............our
geek-legiaship.
It was bloody chaos and thats because we are testing new ground and
going all out to learn things and break god-forsaken
nicities......thanks for the replies. I can now return to the FLNW
page with some resolve that it's the spirit and the enquiry that
matters most.
How others want to box the digital matter and grow their PHD's from it
is their issue.
May well be mine sooner than later.
On Mar 21, 12:25 pm, "brent" <pumiceh...@gmail.com> wrote:
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