Re: Sisu koe Haua - Good Samaritan

Daphne Taukolonga

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Tasilisili, 'Akapei Ma'ilei, mo Kolofakaanga II (Seni Taniela)

Na'e pehe 'e 'Akapei koe kakai 'oku haua koe fa'ahinga na'e talaangata'a kihe 'enau matu'a, pea tupu ai 'enau mavahe. Fakamolemole atu kapau kuo liliu ho'o tui 'ihe taimi ni 'Akapei ka ko 'eku ngaue'aki ho'o taukapo he 'oku lahi 'aupito 'a e kakai Tonga 'oku nau tui pehee.

Talamai leva 'e Kolofakaanga II, 'oku tokolahi 'a e fa'ahinga 'oku tupu pe 'enau faingata'a'ia meihe 'enau 'irresponsible' pea 'ikai ke fai honau fatongia fakafo'ituitui, pea koho nau fo'ui pe 'o kinautolu kae 'oua 'e tukuaki'i 'a e social system.

Koe Luke 10: 25-37, na'e fakafehu'i 'ehe tangata 'ilo law (scribe-sikalaipe- expert in law) 'a Sisu pe koe ha 'ene me'a 'e fai kene ma'u ai 'a e mo'ui ta'engata. 'Eke leva 'e Sisu pe koe ha 'a e lau 'a e lao? Tali 'a e fu'u 'expert' 'ihe lao,.... 'kuopau keu 'ofa kihe 'Eiki ko hoku 'Otua 'aki 'a e kotoa 'o hoku loto, atamai peau 'ofa ki hoku kaunga'api.

Hokoatu a' e fakafehu'i 'a e fu'u lawyer ni ke fakangalivale'i 'a Sisu, ko hai hoku kaunga'api?

Hanga leva 'e Sisu 'o 'omai 'a e parable felave'i moe Samaletane Lelei (good samaritan). 'Alu atu 'a e faifekau/taula'eiki (priest) sio ki he traveller 'ene 'e'epa mai, pea hola atu ia, 'alu atu 'a e Livai,.... hola atu ia,.... 'alu atu 'a e Samaletane Lelei 'o fakahaofi 'a e 'traveller' meihe 'ene mei mate.

Koe hala mei Selusalema ki Seliko (Jericho), 'a 'eni na'e 'alu ai 'a e tangata na'e taa 'ehe kau kaiha'a'akau, 'oku fakatu'utamaki 'aupito. Ko 'ene fakatu'utamaki, he na'e 'alu 'a e kau kaiha'a 'o nofo 'o tali 'ihe vaha'a hala ko ia 'o taa (abuse/kill) mo kaiha'asi (rob) 'a e kakai tenau fononga ai, mainly 'traders'.

Na'e 'ikai ke 'alu tokotaha ha taha 'ihe vaha'a hala ko ia, tautefito kihe kau fo'ofo'ou. Kuopau ke 'alu fakakulupu 'a e kakai, he ka 'ikai 'e ha'u 'a e kau kaiha'a 'o tau tokolahi'i hono taa mo kaiha'asi 'enau koloa. Koe kau fefakatau'aki (traders) foki na'anau 'alu holo lahi taha 'ihe fo'i vaha'ahala ko ia.

'Oku fute 'e 2300 'a e ma'olunga 'o Selusalema meihe fukahi vai. Ka koe tahi mate (dead sea) 'oku ofi ki ai 'a Seliko 'oku fute 'e 1300 'i lalo meihe fukahi vai. Ko ia ai koe vaha'a 'o Salusalema ki Seliko, maile nai 'e 20 'oku too ki lalo 'a e 'alu 'a e hala 'aki 'ae fute 'e 3600. Koe fo'i hala faa si'i 'aupito pea makamaka pea fakatu'utamaki. 'Oku 'iai 'a e lau 'a Jerome ki ai 'ihe senituli 5 na'e kei ui pe 'a e fo'i vaha'ahala ko ia koe 'The Red, or Bloody Way'. 'Ihe konga kimui 'o e 1930 na'e pehe 'e H.V. Morton na'e fakatokanga ange ki ai kene totongi 'ae pa'anga kihe kakai 'oku 'iloa koe ka 'shieks' kae lava kenau fakapapaui'i ange (malu'i) 'e hao 'i ha'ane fonongo 'ihe fo'i vaha'a hala ko ia.

Kapau tetau sio kihe ngaahi 'ulungaanga 'o e kakai na'e fakakau 'e Sisu 'ihe 'ene parable 'e toe mahino ange 'a e lesoni oku huluhulu mai felave'i moe tuakapo 'a 'Akapei mo Kolofakaanga II.

1) Koe tokotaha (traveller/trader) na'e taa 'ehe kau kaiha'a. Koe tokotaha ta'efietoo, ta'efietukulolo, pea 'ikai ke fa'a tatali (impatience) pea kaaimu'a. Na'ane 'osi 'ilo lelei na'e totonu ke 'alu moha kakai koe 'uhi ke 'oua 'e faingofua hano taa ia 'ehe kau kaiha'a.

2) Koe priest (faifekau/taula'eiki), 'e 'unclean' (ta'ema'a) 'okapau 'e ala kiha taha mate. 'Ihe tui fakasiu ka ala ha taha kiha taha mate, 'oku unclean leva ia 'ihe 'aho 'e 7. Koe talu 'ene taula'eiki mo 'ene faka'amu kene fakahoko 'a e ouau fakalangilangi 'ihe temipale. Kapau 'e ala kihe tangata na'e taa, 'e mole hono fo'i faingamalie ke fakahoko 'a e ouau fakalangilangi. Ko 'ene fakakaukau koe 'charity' ke tuku pe 'a e 'traveller' ke mate ai kae 'alu ia 'o fakahoko hono lakanga fakalotu.

3) Koe Livai (levite), ko 'enau moto, 'safety first'. Mo'oni foki 'a e Levite, mahalo koha founga pe ia 'a e kau kaiha'a ke faka'alinga 'oku mate, pe lavea 'a e tokotaha ko 'eni na'e sio ki ai 'oku fetoto'i mo to'e (traveller), pea 'e lelei ange ke hola ia ke mama'o 'oku pau ange ia.

4) Koe Samaletane (Samaritan), koe hingoa 'oku tatau mo 'etau lau koe kau 'haua' 'ihe 'aho ni. Koe lau a Sione 8:48, na'e ui 'ehe kau Siu 'a Sisu koe Samaritan (heretic). Koe fo'i lea ko 'eni na'e ngaue 'aki 'ehe kau Siu kiha heretic pe koha 'breaker of the ceremonial law'.

Samaritan was not a good character to the Jews 'ihe kuonga 'o Sisu.

Mahino meihe talanoa ni koe Samaritan na'e sai hono lekooti (good credit record), 'asi ia hono tali lelei moe falala ki ai 'a e innerkeeper (faletali fononga). He alone was prepared to help. Talamai 'ehe kau Siu koe 'heretic' 'ae Samaletane ko 'eni, ka koe 'ofa 'a e 'Otua na'e 'i hono loto. In the end we will be judged not by the creed we hold but by the life we live.

Koe taha 'o e ngaahi lesoni 'oku 'omai 'e Sisu kiate kitautolu 'ihe 'aho ni (here and now), 'o kau atu ki ai moe taukapo 'a kinautolu 'i Tonga 'oku 'ikai sai'ia 'ihe kau Siaina.

a) We must help a man even when he has brought his trouble on himself as the traveller had done.

b) Any man of any nation who is in need is our neighbour. Our help must be as wide as the love of God.

c) The help must be practical and not consist merely in feeling sorry. No doubt the priest and the Levite felt a pang of pity for the wonded man, but they did nothing. Compassion, to be real must issue in deeds.

Talaange 'e Sisu kihe lawyer ni, 'alu 'o fakahoko 'a e ngaue tatau'.

Kuo tau atu kia Sisu 'a e mamahi 'a e kau Siaina 'i Tonga 'i hono fakakehekehe'i mo hono manuki'i kinautolu.

Kapau leva 'e akonaki mai ha taha 'i Tonga 'oku 'ikai ke totonu ketau faka'apa'apa'i 'a e kakai Siaina, 'oku totonu ketau 'ilo 'e kitautolu koe kakai 'oku nau fai 'a e akonaki ko ia 'oku nau fakafetau (against/oppose) 'e kinautolu 'a Sisu. Ko Sisu 'o e lolotonga 'oku 'ikai koe Sisu 'o e kuohili. He'ikai ketau mahu'inga 'ia kitautolu he'ene ngaahi akonaki 'okapau he'ikai ketau tui ko 'ene 'uhinga mai kiate kitautolu 'o e 'aho ni. Koe taha ia 'o e ngaahi lesoni 'oku 'omai 'ehe 'Sisu koe Haua'.

daphne

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"'Oku 'ikai foki ko e lami (monumanu), maka, vaine,la'a etc"

Kataki pe Daphne kau huu atu hee 'oku 'ata'ataa . 'Oku ou fakatulou
atu kau lea tu'u atu pe mu'a. Koe sai ia hotau 'apini ko 'ene hangee
koe tepile 'a King Arthur 'o tatau pe 'ae taha kotoa. Neongo 'ae
'ikai teu kau 'i hono tali 'ae kaveinga ni, kaa 'oku ou ako 'ae me'a
lahi mei a kimoutolu.

'Oku ou sio ngalingali na'e toko lahi pe 'ae kau haua 'i fale ni.
Na'e 'iai foki 'ae kautama na'a nau toki 'asi faka Falaite pe 'i
Kolo. Na'a nau fa'a tupenu ta'ovala pea koe me'a na'a nau fiema'uu
koe tapaka moe kiki ke foki mo ia, tukukehe 'ae ki'i seenitii ia,
hehehe. Koe tangata haua mo'onii 'oku 'ikai tene fakakaukau'i 'e ia
ha me'a kehe. Koe vilo takai pe 'o taataa (kole) ke 'ai ha fo'i pia.
Pea kapau 'e 'ikai fe'unga 'ae seniti moe fo'i pia pea 'oku 'ai leva
'ae fo'i hina sipiliti. Pea kapau na'e 'osi 'iai ha fu'u hopi tenau
tuku ki ai 'oku ma'ama'a. Koe maatuku mai ko ia 'ae inuu 'oku nau
movete atu 'o 'ikai ke toe ha angahala kehekehe he'e nau fai. 'Ikai
ke lau ha taha ia kihe ngaahi lao kehekehe tenau maumau'i. 'Oku ou
fanongo talanoa 'oku 'iai moe ngaahi me'a fo'ou kuo kau atu ki ai
hangee koe valeti, mihi 'oe kapa kuluu moe penisinii tukukehe 'ae
faito'o konatapuu. Koe 'imisi ia 'oe haua, pea koe 'aho kihe 'aho ko
'enau too'onga mo'uii pe ia. Na'a ku lele atu ki Tonga ihe 2007,
faka'ohovale 'eku sio ki hoku kaungaako ko Sione Naitoko. Talu 'ae
haua 'a Sione mei he 1978 'oku kei haua pe. Koe me'a na'a ne fiema'uu
koe fo'i hina uasikee, na'a ku 'oange pe neongo 'ae 'ikai teu loto ki
aii. Koe fa'ahinga kakai ko 'enii na'a nau tupu kotoa hake pe 'ihe
ngaahi famili lotu. Pea ko 'enau fili pe 'a kinautolu ke nau mo'ui
pehee.

Koe fa'ahinga nofo fe'ofo'ofani, he 'oku hangee 'oku fakakengii.
Kapau koe fo'i maa pe 'e tolu 'e ma'uu, neongo 'ae tokolahii tenau
vahevahe tatau pe. Pea kapau 'e hola mai ha ki'i tamasi'i mei honau
'apii, 'e feinga leva 'ae kautama matu'otu'aa ke fakalatalata'i. 'E
lahi ia ihe me'atokonii pea moe piaa. Pea koe fu'u hopi ko ee 'e
ma'uu 'e paameti ia ai. 'Oku ou 'ilo'i lelei he na'aku 'iai foki mo
au.

Koe fa'ahinga mo'ui ko iaa, 'oku 'ikai ke 'iai ha maatu'a ia 'e loto
ke muimui ai 'e nau fanau. Manatu'i na'a ne talamai ke tau muimui
ange 'ia Sione 14:6. Koe Lamii, 'oku fakamatala ki ai 'ae paloofita
ko 'Aisea 'ia 'Aisea 53:6 & 7. 'Oku too pe hoto lo'imata 'i he'ete
laulau maamaalie hifo mei he veesi 'uluaki. 'Aisea 60:20 'oku ne toe
fakataataa kihe la'aa. Matiu 12:17 & 18, koe paloofita ai pe ko
'Aisea 'oku ne talamai, Ko 'Ene ha'u 'o ngaue fakasevaaniti. Pea ia
Sione 15:1, koe Tamaa pe ia na'a ne talamai ai ko ia pe 'ae Vaine
Mo'onia.

Ko hai ko aa 'ae paloofita (tangata / fefine) na'a ne ui 'ae Sisu
Haua? Kataki 'oua leva 'e hai homou suka. Mihi'i homou manava ke tau
pea toki tukuange maamaalie mai. Mou manatu'i 'ae kikite'i 'oe ngaahi
'aho faka'osii. 'Ia Matiu 7:15 & 16, talanoa ai kihe kau paloofita
loi tenau kofu faka sipi mai. Kataki, toe mihi'i e manavaa ke tau pea
toe tukuange mai. Kapau koe pepa 'ena 'a 'aku koe osi pe 'eku lau 'ae
'uu folofola 'i 'okunga ko 'eku lii ia kihe vevee. Toe mihi faka'osi
ai leva.

Kapau koe pepa koha fo'i hele'uhila teu fakafuofua'i kihe kakai
lalahii pe (Rated R or X - Adults Only) Pea teu ngata ai he mahalo
kuo u too au ki tahi. Koe anga pe ena 'ae sio meihe loto vao
sialemohemohee. 'Ofa lahi atu kia kimoutolu katoa.

Lapai Mesa

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Lapai Mesa

'Oku mahino kiate au ho'o fakatalanoa, koe ifo ia 'a e talanoa ke oppose pehe'i.

Hangee pe koe lau 'a e educators 'oe uesite, 'a 'eni na'anau 'oange 'a e lotu moe ako ki Tonga, koe lahi ange 'etau ako (learn) koe lahi ange ia 'a 'etau 'ilo'i 'etau ta'e'ilo, pea koe lahi ange ai pe ia 'o 'ete fakatokanga'i 'oku lahi ange 'a mamani 'i hotau ki'i mamani.

Koe anga pe 'eku ki'i fakakaukau, 'e fe'unga pe mahalo ho'o pepa 'a'au ke li kihe veve he taumaia 'e lau 'eha taha, hangee ko ho'o fakalea, mahalo koha ni'ihi pe. Koe pepa 'Sisu koe Haua', na'e hoko'i mai 'ene ngaahi fakatotolo 'a'ana meihe ngaahi fakatotolo 'a e kau 'authors' 'o e ngaahi references/bibiographies (kau helo 'o e mala'e teolosia/ako) na'e ngaue 'aki 'ehe 'author' 'o e 'Sisu koe Haua' ke fakamo'oni'i 'ene fakatotolo.

'E fie'ilo lahi foki 'a e kau formal scholars, tautefito kihe kau theologians 'o Tonga kenau lau 'a e pepa ni ko hono 'uhinga 'oku nau 'osi 'ilo'i koe Christianity ko 'ene ngaue ko hono 'revolutionalise' 'a e mo'ui 'a e tangata 'o fakatefito 'i hono mo'ui 'aki 'a Kalaisi, kae 'ikai koe 'ilo kia Kalaisi.

Koe faka'ilonga lelei 'aupito ia 'ihe lau 'a e formal educators 'a 'etau kohukohu 'ihe tau vevela mai 'a e 'Sisu koe Haua. 'Ihe lau 'a e theologians 'oku 'ikai ke 'iai ha me'a ia 'e kovi, ko 'ene kovi meihe loto 'o e tangata,'o hange koe kaveinga 'o e pepa.

'Ihe fakatonulea 'a'aku, koe pepa ni na'e kouna 'ehe 'Otua 'a e author kene hiki, pea kapau na'e 'ikai ke lelei na'e 'uluaki liii pe ia kitu'a 'ehe 'ene mentors, toe hoko mai kihe 'ene kau faiako mo 'enau faka'ataa, toe hoko mai kihe 'ene kau 'assessors/evaluators' mo 'enau faka'apa'apa'i 'a e fekumi.

Tuku 'a e lau palofita loi ia, koe me'a pe ia 'a e 'Otua tokotaha 'oku ne 'afio'i 'a e palofita loi moe mo'oni. Ko 'etau lau 'a e palofita loi 'a hoto kaunga'api kate paloofita mo'oni kita?

S Fonua/Lapa Mesa, koe me'a fa'iteliha pe ia 'a'au pe 'oku ke faka'uhinga'i fefe 'a e fo'i lea ko ia koe 'haua-wanderer'. Neongo ho'o Tonga mo 'eku Tonga ka 'e kehekehe 'eta 'perception' (fakatonulea), 'aia 'oku fakatatau ia meihe si'isi'i moe lahi ho'o 'ilo fakasaikolosi, pea meihe si'isi'i moe lahi 'eku 'ilo fakasaikolosi. 'E kehe ange 'a e sio ia 'a e tokotaha meihe tafa'aki fakalao.

Hangee ko ho'o lau 'oku kehekehe 'a e 'ulungaanga (personality) 'o e kakai 'oku lau 'i Tonga na koe 'haua', pea na'aku 'osi lave atu ki ai meihe tafa'aki 'oku mau sio ai kimautolu 'i muli ni 'ihe kakai 'oku lau koe 'wanderers' 'oku kehe 'aupito ia meihe 'interpretation 'a e tikisinale, pea toe kehe atu 'a e 'spiritual wanderers' 'o hange ko kitautolu.

Koe 'haua' 'oku lau ki ai 'a e pepa ni, 'e fai 'aki ia 'a e fakatonulea 'a e 'author' he'ikai ke fai'aki ia 'a e fakatonulea 'a e kau haua ko 'ena 'oku mou 'ilo. He'ikai ke faikava 'aho mo po pe ha taha pea tatau ai 'ene luelue 'i tu'afaleako, moe tokotaha na'e 'i faleako 'o hange koe 'author' 'o e pepa ni.

Koe lesoni mahu'inga 'oku hanga 'ehe pepa ni 'o talamai..... 'life is precious' koe mo'ui 'a e tangata 'oku mahu'inga 'ia 'ae 'Otua ai, tatau aipe pe ko hai kita. 'Oku 'ikai ko 'ete 'ela holo 'ihe fu'u motokaa pe ko 'ete tu'u meihe tu'unga malanga pea te mahu'inga ange kita 'ihe tokotaha 'oku tufitufi 'ene me'akai 'ihe hala, fakamo'oni'i ia 'ihe talanoa 'o Taitusi mo Lasalosi.

Koe 'uhinga ia 'eku taukapo atu kimu'a 'oku lahi 'a e ta'e'ilo kihe founga na'e taanaki mai 'aki 'a e ngaahi tohi 'o hiki fakataha koe tohitapu. 'Oku lolotonga 'iai moe ngaahi tohi kehe 'oku nau kei fakatatali atu 'ihe Vatican 'oku te'eki ke fakakau mai ia 'ihe tohitapu, ka 'e 'iai pe 'a e taimi 'e toki tukumai. Lahi 'a e ngaahi tohi 'ihe tohitapu na'e toki felotolotoi pe 'a e kau taki 'o e lotu fakakalisitiane 'o mamani ke kau mai kihe tohitapu 'ihe ngaahi senituli mai kimui ni. Ko ia ai, oua leva mu'a temou peheee kuo mou 'osiki 'a e mamani 'o e tohitapu he 'oku 'ikai ke fai ha 'ilo kihe ngaahi tohi 'oku te'eki ke 'omai.

Koe tohitapu na'e 'translate/interpret' kihe ngaahi lea kehekehe, hoko mai kihe English pea toki translate mai ai kihe fakaTonga. 'Oku malava pe ia ke liliu 'ehe kau liliu tohitapu fakatonga 'ihe kaha'u 'a e 'Sisu koe Sevaniti 'o 'ai koe Sisu koe Haua'.

Ko Sisu na'e tuli ke 'oua na'a toe malanga 'ihe Sinakoke, pea ne hopo atu leva 'o hoko koe 'wanderer' 'o malanga 'ihe toafa, moe ngaahi potu kehekehe 'oku haa 'ihe tohitapu.

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Koe fifili 'eni kau , koe lau 'ae ngaahi ihe Tohitapu ko " Sisu koe LAMI " Koe LAMI 'AVE HIA ".. koe tohi / pepa ia ne fa'u 'ehe kau Palofita moe Kau 'aposetolo koe " fakafotunga 'i 'a Sisu kihe " Lami".

Koe ha hono kovi e hanga 'e Salesi 'o fa'u 'ene pepa 'o Fakafotunga'ii 'a SISU kihe "Haua "..

Koe Haua koe "Ulungaanga/ anga 'oe TANGATA [ Human being] ------

Tena fu'u kehekehe lahi moe Pepa / tohi 'ae Kau palofita moe kau 'aposetolo " Sisu koe Lami ' he koe LAMI KOE MANU .........

koe fifili,, tetau fiefia ke anga'i Manu 'a SISU , pe anga'i Tangata ?

ko'eku tali kiai, 'ikai 'oku 'ikai teu fiefia ai, Ka koe 'uhi koe FAKATAIPE e ngaahi Fakamatala he Tohitapu ke fakaofiofi , kihe LAKANGA moe MISONA 'a SISU ,,

Koia teu fiefia ke Tali koe "Lami" , 'o fakatatau kihe ngaahi fakamatala he Tohitapu,,,,,,, pea teu toe fiefia ke tali 'e Fakamatala kuo fai 'e Salesi mo'ene a'usia,, he kuo folofola mai e Tama,, Koia nene 'ihe " Falepopula ", nene mokosia 'i falemahaki , nene tukuhausia , ,, kapau koia koe ha hano kovi ? ta koee ne Haua pe 'a Sisu ,,,

Kautasilisili,, mou 'unu mai, 'o to'o ha me'a 'e 'aonga pea tuku atu me'a he'ikai 'aonga ..

koe LOtu ia , ke to'o eme'a lelei kihe fononga'anga,,,..

moe 'ofa .

sami.

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Sami

Mo'oni 'a e lau 'a Sangato 'Okusitino. 'Ameni atu 'eni, fu'u malie ange ho'o fakalea.

malo 'a e tafutafu.

daphne

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Daphne Taukolonga

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Sami

'Oku hanga foki 'e ho'o fakamatala ki hono ui 'a Sisu koe lami, 'o fakamanatu mai 'a e fo'i fakamatala na'ake 'omai kimu'a 'o felave'i moe tamapua 'i hono ngaue 'aki 'ehe Katolika koe 'symbols' 'iloa koe 'sacremantal' (mystery) 'o Sisu etc..

Koe 'omai 'ehe author 'a e 'Haua' - 'wanderer' koe symbol-faka-sakalameniti (sacremantal - mystery) 'o Sisu. Malie taha ko 'ene to'o mai 'a e 'haua, ha-ua, hau-a' 'o ngaue'aki ke fakamatala'i 'a e fekau 'o e teolosia ni (hauasm). Me'apango he 'oku mo'oni ho'o lau, 'oku tau kei 'stuck' kitautolu 'ihe fo'i lea koe haua, ka 'oku te'eki ke fai ha kamata ke fai ha fakasiosio kihe uho 'o e teolosia ni.

malo malo 'a e tafutafu kau memipa.

daphne

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Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu koe Haua - Good Samaritan
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Kautasilisili,, mou 'unu mai, 'o to'o ha me'a 'e 'aonga pea tuku atu
me'a he'ikai 'aonga ..
koe LOtu ia , ke to'o eme'a lelei kihe fononga'anga,,,..

moe 'ofa .
sami

Sami 'oku malie lahi 'ae fkmatala 'oku ke fai , pea 'oku ou
fk'amu pe ke mahino he'ikai ketau fkmalohi'i ha kakai 'oku 'ikai ke
nau tali 'ae tohi 'a Salesi 'aki 'enau 'uhinga pe 'anautolu ko
'etau laku pe ki loto pea tufi e tufi pea li'aki e me'a 'oku
li'aki , kae 'oua 'e hangee koe fa'ahinga 'i faleni koe sapi atu
e lau 'a hai sapi atu e lau 'a hai , koe pepa Sisuu Hauaa , tetau
tau sapi ai kitautolu ke ifoifo 'ae talave , pea ka iku 'o sapi atu
ai pe mo Salesi 'oku 'ikai kovi ,

Sami 'oku ou manatu kihe inu paati na'e fai pea ma'a hake 'ae aho
koe 'aho Sapate , na'e kamata ke talanoa lotu e kau konaa , faifai pe
kuo lea hake 'ae tokotaha na'e fuhu leta ki mu'a pea fkkata 'aki pe
kuo 'osi masoli he fuhu , pea pehe mai ia , koe 'Otua 'oku 'iai
hono natula 'oku tatau moe kulii , 'ikai toe hano masoli hono kape
'ehe kau konaa , toki lea mai ia , ka 'iai ha'ate kuli pea te
fa'a taa'i , pea 'ikai tokanga'i ke fafanga pea li'aki pe 'i tu'a
he momoko moe 'uha , koe 'aho 'ete 'alu pea te foki atu ki 'api
koia pe 'oku 'uluaki fkfetaulaki , koeha e lahi e kovi tete fai kiai
ka 'oku ne 'ilo ko hono tauhi kita , 'e kei tavilivili mai pe ,

Na'e pehee atu leva 'ae tokotaha , 'aia 'okapau teke malanga teke
kaveinga 'aki , 'oku 'iai 'ae natula 'oe 'Otua 'oku tatau moe
kulii , ? pea ko'eni 'ene tali , 'ikai , teu kaveinga 'aki 'e au
'ae , Koe 'ofa tuli mai 'ae 'Otua , pea teu toki fkhu leva 'eku
ki'i fktataa 'i loto he fo'i malanga , na'e fai e 'ohovale he lea
ia 'ae tokotaha 'oku 'ikai 'alu ia kiha lotu ,

'Oku natula pehee 'ae me'a ia 'oku fai ai hono ta'etali 'oe tohi 'a
Salesi 'ehe tokolahi 'o a'u kiate au , 'oku 'ikai fai ha sio ia
kihe kakano 'o 'ene tohi pea mo 'ene fkkaukau , koe fklea 'oe
takafii , koia 'ae me'a oku fai kiai 'ae hoha'a he na'e 'ikai
totonu ia ke tau toe hela talanga'i , me'anii kuo 'osi 'ae ngaahi
lea fk'fo'ofa mo toe ongolelei ange , he na'e totonu ke tau tomu'a
tala pe he fklea 'oe takafi 'ae kakano moe mohu 'o loto ,
kaikehe foki Sami 'ikai kovi 'ae talanga kae 'oua pe fkpopula'i e
kakai ke nau tali , koe me'a 'ata'ata pe ia 'anautolu he koe me'a
kotoa 'oku 'i loto he tohi 'a Salesi 'oku 'ihe loto tohitapu pe
ia , pea mahalo 'e fe'unga atu pe 'ae lautohi ia 'ae tokolahi
'ihe tohitapu , kae hoko atu pe 'ae lave he 'oku ifoifo , moe
'ofa atu ai pe Sami kiho ki'i mata mo ho'o malimali ko Sisuu Haua
'ataa heee,heee, Semisi Ta'ai .

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hehehe, malie foki tamasi'i Semisi.

Semisi, kapau 'e liliu 'a e title 'o e tohi 'o hange ko hoo vili ta'e'unua, hehehehe, he'ikai ke a'u 'a e fekau ia 'o e teolosia ni. 'Oku 'ikai koe 'author' 'oku tau fakaanga'i ko 'etau faka'anga'i 'e kitautolu 'a e 'Otua pe koe ha na'e fehalaaki pehee ai 'ene angiii, 'o fakakouna'i 'a e 'author' ke ngaue'aki ia ke 'reveal' pe tatala maamalie mai meihe ta'e'iloa ko Sisu koe Haua, ko ia koaa Semisi?

Koe fehu'i, koe ha 'oku tau kalili ai 'ihe ui 'a Sisu koe Haua, kae 'osi 'oku tokolahi atu 'a e ngaahi matu'a 'oku nau lea kovi kihe 'enau fanau, 'alu moe kapekape, hoko atu kihe 'enau lea kovi ki honau ngaahi mali, hoko atu mo 'enau ta'efanongo kihe si'i hanu 'a e finematu'a 'ihe 'enau fakapikopiko moe ngaahi to'onga pehee. 'Oku lelei ange hono lau 'a Sisu koe Haua 'ihe 'ete faiangahala, ko ia koaa Semisi pe 'ikai?

daphne

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koe me'a 'ata'ata pe ia 'anautolu he koe me'a
kotoa 'oku 'i loto he tohi 'a Salesi 'oku 'ihe loto tohitapu pe
ia , pea mahalo 'e fe'unga atu pe 'ae lautohi ia 'ae tokolahi
'ihe tohitapu , kae hoko atu pe 'ae lave he 'oku ifoifo , moe
'ofa atu ai pe Sami kiho ki'i mata mo ho'o malimali ko Sisuu Haua
'ataa heee,heee, Semisi Ta'ai .

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Sami,

'ai e fakatauhoa ke ngali na'e mole e la'i talinga 'ia koe. Na'e 'iai e 'uhinga hono ui ia ko e Lami! not because oku anga'imanu!!!!! pleaseeeee!!!!! Lamb has a long history in biblical history and literatures and Hebrew religion. It is too shallow to allow your implication! 'e fai atu pe eni ho'omou fifili ke mou faka'uhinga na'e ui ko e Lami 'a Sisu ke pehe 'oku anga'imanu??

Ko e anga'imanu eni 'oku lolotonga fai 'e he tasilisili ki he Eiki kae anga fakatu'a. Kuo fai atu pe eni 'a e ta'emingao 'a e tasilisili ke mou fai 'a e me'a 'a ta'e'atamai ki he 'Eiki. he koaa kau fefine mo e kau tangata ee!!

'Oku ou lau koe fasi'a lahi 'eni 'oku tau fai 'a e feinga ke fakatonua 'etau ta'emaausia fekau'aki mo Sisu. The bottom line is, if you anyone here has not made Jesus as Saviour and Lord of one's life; our mumblings is of waste!

Paul said, I consider all things to be lost for the excellence of knowing Christ my Lord. (Philp3:8-11). I don't know Jesus as a Haua. I know Him as Lord. It one thing to know Jesus as Saviour, it is another to know Him as LORD. A person who knows Jesus as his or her Lord would not dare to make Him not like one! You don't have to make Sisu a Haua to know that! Fakamolemole pe 'a Sikei, but the Haua is pointless.

'Oku sai pe 'a e fifili kae 'oua mu'a 'e fakaho'ata mai ai 'a e ta'emaausia mo e ta'etoka'i. Whatever reason anyone can justify to call my/your Redeemer by any name of his or her choice, is his or her own right, but my question to you all, Has Jesus being your Saviour and LORD?

Ko ha ta kuo ne 'ilo 'a e fakamo'ui ta'engata 'a e 'Otua ma'ana, te ne 'ilo ia ko e 'Eiki 'a Sisu he'ene mo'ui , mo e lea mo e me'a kotoa, ko e papu-noa mo e fakanafala kuo heka he vaka o e tasilisili he ngaahi 'aho ni 'oku tonu pe ke toe review. My hunch is, if Jesus is not Lord of your life, you can say anything that please you!

For God's sake, let us put some end to the none sense!

moe ta'ofi pe ki he lelei!
Ma'ananga
Auckland Airport

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Sam Pakofe

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Malo Semisi, koe mo'oni 'ena oku ke lave mai kiai, kataki kapau kuo hange kuo ogno fakamalohi atu e "kole ke to'o pe me'a 'aonga "..

koe lea-'atu he 'afu ...

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Veituna

Kapau 'oku 'ikai keke ma'u 'a e copy 'o e 'Sisu koe Haua' pea ke fakalea mai heni ke send atu ha'o copy.

Koe lau 'a e ta'etoka'i 'a Tasilisili kake haa koe?

Mo'oni 'a Sami, fakalili'a koe hono ui 'a Sisu koe Haua (human being), kake sai'ia hono ui koe lami?

hehehehehe.

Mo'oni 'a e lau homau kakai meihe funga fonua, Sisu ma'a 'ena, Sisu ma'a 'eni. hehehehe, malie malie, tokanga'i na'a tau ha pailate 'ia koe, hehehehe.

daphne

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Ko e anga'imanu eni 'oku lolotonga fai 'e he tasilisili ki he Eiki kae anga fakatu'a. Kuo fai atu pe eni 'a e ta'emingao 'a e tasilisili ke mou fai 'a e me'a 'a ta'e'atamai ki he 'Eiki. he koaa kau fefine mo e kau tangata ee!!

Sam Pakofe

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Malo Sione e fakamaama, ka koe fehu'ii, koe ha ne ui ai 'a Sisu koe Lami ?

Kohai na'ane ui ia koe Lami ?

: Koe lami koe " Manu ' he'ikai toe ui ia koe Tangata , koe Manu.

ka ui 'aki ha taha ha " Manu' pea mahino 'oku anga'i MANU ,, kiate au koe fo'i Fakatataa ngalingalivale ia hono ui 'a Sisu koe Lami ,, pea kapau koe anga ia e Fakataipe Faka-hepeluu , ko Sisu koe Lami,, Koe ha hano maumau kapau kuo Fakataipe Fakatonga 'a Sisu, koe Haua ..

mou kataki,'oku 'ikai teu tuku hifo e langilangi 'oe 'Otua koe Tohitapu pe 'oku ne tukuhifo e Langilangi 'o Sisu.. he 'onau hiki mo ui ia koe Lami.

Ko'eni kuo vakili e Haua, ihe ngaahi lea fakatonga moe lea Fakapapalangi,,kohono vakili koe ta'e loto ke ui 'a Sisu koe Haua, pea kapau kuo ta'e loto mo ta'e mahino pehee, pea kuo taimi ke to'o mai leva 'ae talanoa meihe tohitapu ke fakaofiofi 'aki......pea koe talanoa 'eni 'e fakaofiofi 'aki ;

Koe Lami [ Faka-Hepelu ] koe Haua [ Fakatonga ]

He ne pehee 'ehe tokolahi 'oku 'ikai Haua pe 'alu no'aia 'a Sisu, ihe 'enau fakalea,,, 'e 'ikai toe kehekehe ia mo'eku pehee,, mahalo pe kuo ve'e faa 'a Sisu he kuo ui koe lami..

Kau tasilisili,, moe kau Faifekau 'ouaa temou talatuki'i au.. he kamou ki'i tangutusi'i hifo 'o kataki 'o vakai fakalelei kihe ongo talanoa ko'eni 'e ua..

koe Haua moe Lami ,,,,,, 'oku tali lelei 'e Sami 'ae ongo talanoa ni, 'ihe tukunga koe ' Fakataipe" 'oe fotunga 'o Sisu kihe Fononga'anga..moe Fakatu'amelie kihe Mo'ui..

moe kataki aipe..

sami.

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Salote Tupou

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I agree 100% with you Ma'ananga - we need to put an END to this ridiculous discussion about Jesus being a HAUA.

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2009/11/4 Sione M. Veituna <svei...@yahoo.com>

sfaupula

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ko e anga pe foki ia ha 'asi ha ki'i me'a tokua 'oku fo'ou. 'oku 'ohofi pea piki ki ai ha tokolahi he 'oku ngali haa fo'ou mo ngali 'oku sai... heheh!

Sione M. Veituna

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Sami Pakofe,

Na'e 'ikai ngata pe hono ui ko e Lami 'a e 'Otua, ka na'e ui ko e Laione o Siuta! Ka na'e 'ikai 'uhinga hono ui ko 'ene anga'imanu, hange ko ho'o anga'imanu mai ko eni. Tangata lau Tohitapu koee, kae 'ikai ke ke ilo ko hai na'a ne ui ia ko e Lami? Mo'oni pe lea 'a Sisu ki he kau falesi, 'Oku mou hee ko e ta'e te mou 'ilo 'a e Tohitapu kae'uma'a ' a e mafimafi 'o e 'Otua. (Matiu 22:29)

Oku iloa 'a e 'Uluaki Faa he hisitolia 'o Tonga ko e Laione 'o Mala'e Kula, pea 'oku tu'u moe imisi 'o e Laione he Telio'anga, ka 'oku ke pehee 'oku anga'imanu 'a Taufa'ahau Tupou I.

Ko e ha 'a e anga'imanu kia Sami Pakofe? Pea kataki 'oku ikai ke tukuhifo 'e he Tohitapu 'a Sisu ke angamanu hange ko ha'au lau. Ko ha'au pe ia faka'uhinga. 'Oku mo'oni eku lau ki mu'a atu, 'ai masi'i ke mahino na'e mole la'i-talinga 'ia koe.

Mo feinga mo Daphne ke fakanounou ho'omou komeni, na'a mo'oni 'a Taniela Fisi'ihoi, ko e loloa ange e fakamatala, toe kai pe 'e he fakamatala e 'uhinga 'o 'osi'osinga malie! ha ha ha ha!

Sami, ko e me'a pe 'e hoko ki he maha ko e veve mo e fakapo'uli, kuo ke unu atu eni ke lau ko e ve'efaa 'a Sisu, hange kiate au kuo hanga 'e ki'i pepa ni 'o 'ai ko e ke ke vave! he he he!

I think oku mo'oni 'a Bob Weber. What you say has a lot to do with you than Jesus!

For the Honor of One who Died for me,
Ma'ananga

Auckland

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Sione M. Veituna

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Nee,

lau e post ke mahino pea toki komeni ee, mo e fakapiko ee, kuo mou kole mai ke lau he context ka mou lau ta'e context pe moutolu

ne tomu'a ma'u 'e au 'ia koe e pepa, pea ko au ne u kole atu ke oatu ha'o tatau, kuo ngalo ia 'iate koe, osi lau e au e pepa, pea osi komeni atu ai he fuoloa, fakahela ko e ai ke tau toe foki ki ai ee, i think you miss those posts

ko e fakahoa e manu mo e haua oku papanga, he context ee, moe fakahoa o e fakahingoa 'a Salesi mo e fakahigoa o e tohitapu oku toe papanga pe mo ia, mo e fakahoa 'oe tukuhifo'i ehe tohitapu 'a Sisu kae ikai ko sami pakofe oku 'ange'ange ee hee, kuo lahi 'etau lea he me'a ni ee

hange ko ia ne u tomu'a kole atu, tomu'a 'ai e komeni ke hanga mai kae toki fai e lau takai holo, oku hala ho'o pehee 'oku ou fakalili'a hono ui 'a Sisu ko e haua, mama'o atu ia mei he me'a oku ou 'uhinga atu kiai, ko e faka'uhinga oku hipa ngongo ta'ahine, oku mahino eni oku mou lau selective pe etau tasilisili pea komeni fakavavevae eee,

ko hono oo pe ia, 'e sesele e kakai he fanongo mai ki he'etau polau oku fai, hange ko e lau 'a e finemotu'a ha'apai, fai pe 'ena fai pe 'eni kehe pe ke tau lelei! ko e anga pe foki e hunuaki e talanoa, ka kapau kuo se'e ai ha mafana 'o taha fakamolemole atu

Ma'ananga
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Tevita Finau

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2009/11/4 Daphne Taukolonga sioelina...@yahoo.com.au

Ma'ananga wrote:

Ko e anga'imanu eni 'oku lolotonga fai 'e he tasilisili ki he Eiki kae anga fakatu'a. Kuo fai atu pe eni 'a e ta'emingao 'a e tasilisili ke mou fai 'a e me'a 'a ta'e'atamai ki he 'Eiki. he koaa kau fefine mo e kau tangata ee!!

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Malo kakai. Ki'i fakamahino atu pe ko e ngaahi talanoa hotau paenga ni ko e takitaha fai pe 'a'ene fakakoloa mei he'ene mahino mo hono loto mo 'ene fakakaukau fakaeia pe 'o 'ikai ko ha lau ia 'a e Tasilisili. Kaikehe ka 'okapau 'oku 'uhinga kehe 'a'ene ha "tasilisili" meihe "Tasilisili" 'oku fai ai 'a e lave ni pea fakamolemole atu.

Hange kiate au 'oku takitaha mo'ona pe 'a e mo'oni 'o fakatefito pe he faofao 'a e kau tufunga-lea-moe-fakakaukau.

Tau vakai ki heni "Lisiate Loto'i-Laione", "Sione Aposetolo ko e 'Ikale" vs 'Oku puke 'a X he "mahaki-moa" ka ko Y ia ko e tama "namu" ka ko Z ia ko e "puha-pusi", ka ko Q ia ko e "lupe", 'Oku tokoni koaa 'eni pe toe fihi mo ma'u ange 'a e fakaponaa ia. 'Ofa atu, tfinau

Akapei Ma'ilei

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Na'e 'ikai ngata pe hono ui ko e Lami 'a e 'Otua, ka na'e ui ko e Laione o Siuta!

For the Honor of One who Died for me,
Ma'ananga

Auckland.

Nanga,

Ko e angahala (Semisi 4:17) keu tu'unoa 'ia ma he pasipasi nima ma'a Sisu he 'ao e kakai tokolahi. Kau hao atumu'a he fklangilangi mo e fakahikihiki 'Otua kuo fai mo e pasipasi nima le'olahi. Ngungulu pe Laione 'o Siuta pea kuo ngali 'Otua Ia.Ke 'O'ONA 'a e Langilangi mo e Kololia 'o Ta'engata pe a Ta'engata 'Emeni.

seni taniela

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Kau tasilisili, kou tui ko e tokolahi ‘ia kimoutolu ‘oku maheni moe ngaahi tohi ‘a A. W. Tozer. Ne malolo ‘a Tozer he 1960 tupu ka ‘oku hoko ‘ene ngaahi tohi ko e tu’ukimu’a (classics) he Christian literature. Ko e faifekau Metotisi ka na'e mavahe mei he Metotisii he taimi koee ne fa'ofua ai e tokolahi e kau taki Metotisi he kau liberal 'o Siamanee.

Ko e fakaoli he ne ngata pee ako ‘a Tozer he high school. ‘Ikai ke BD, BTh, M.Div pe D. Min or Ph.D ka na’e foaki ‘e Wheaton College (ko e taha e Tonga High e ng. apiako Evangelical 'o Amelika) mo Houghton College (univesiti Uesiliana) ‘a e toketaa fakalangilangi ki he tangata ni, he ko ene ngaahi tohii mo 'ene malangaa ne hangee pea ope atu he kau toketaa tokolahi. ‘I he’ene maloloo ‘oku tu’u ‘I hono makaa ‘a e lea ko ‘eni “A. W Tozer- a Man of God” ‘Oku kei lea ‘a e tangata ni ‘I he’ene ngaahi tohii, neongo kuo pekia. Pea ‘oku pehee ko ‘ene fa’utohii “it’s an extension of his prayerlife” Readers are driven onto their knees when they read Tozer's writing cos their souls are fed and God becomes the focus.

‘I he taha ene tohi ‘oku widely read I mamani ko e “Knowledge of the Holy” na’a ne pehee, “Ko e fakakaukau mahu’inga taha ‘oku ha’u ki hotau ‘atamaii, ‘a ‘etau fakakaukau fekau’aki mo e ‘Otua” Te tau mo’ui’i e mo’ui ko ‘enii ‘o fakatatau ki he fakakaukau ‘oku tau ma’u fekau’aki pea moe ‘Otua. Ki he ni’ihi ‘oku hangee ‘Otua ko uncle pee brother Joe, santa claus, pea hangee ko King Afa kava tea ulu tea ka ‘oku ‘afio mai ‘I ‘olunga he ‘aoo etc. Ko e version faka’amelika e sisu Haua hangee ko e social gospel Jesus, environmentally friendly Jesus, Republican Jesus, reformed Jesus, hippie Jesus, liberal Jesus, and bless-me Jesus etc.. Pea ko e ‘uhinga ia ne fa’u ai e Jared Wilson e tohi “Your Jesus Is Too Safe”, ko e feinga ke fakafoki e kakai ki he historical mo e biblical Jesus.

Kaikehe ne hoko atu ‘a Tozer ‘o pehee: “ ‘The history of mankind will probably show that no people has ever risen above its religion, and man’s spiritual history will positively demonstrate that no religion has ever been greater than its idea of God. Worship is pure or base as the worshiper entertains high or low thoughts of God.” Taa ko ‘etau mo’ui faka’ahoo ko e reflection pee how we view God. Pea ko e tu’unga ‘oku ‘iai e Metotisii he pasifikii ko e ‘ata pee ‘o e view ‘e he kau taki pea moe kakai Metotisii e ‘Otuaa.

Are we still reverencing Christ in our hearts when we stretch our theology this far? Mahalo ki he author, he still does. Feefee kakai tenau lau ‘ete tala’Otuaa, ‘a e “fanau” ‘oku fakatokanga ki ai ‘a Sisu ke ‘oua te tau hoko ko e makatukia kia kinautolu; ‘a e kau tuivaivai ‘oku talamai ‘e Paula ke ‘oua e hoko ‘etau tau’ataina ko ha makatukia ki he ni’ihi ko ‘enii.

Me’a nii ‘e maloloo hotau loto when we allow our freedom in theology to be a stumbling block to others?? Kataki Sale, ‘oku ‘ikai ke makatukia kia au ho’o tala’Otua. But, as a Sunday sch. teacher I do regard myself as one of the spiritual leaders and I’m thinking more of the poor souls in and outside the church whose view of God is already blurred. Are we magnifying Christ or drive him further into obscurity??

Kaikehe kau tasilisili fakahoaange lau ko ena ‘a Tozer moe tu’unga ‘oku ‘iai etau tala’Otua he ‘aho ni : “For this reason the gravest question before the Church is always God Himself, and the most portentous fact about any man is not what he at a given time may say or do, but what he in his deep heart conceives God to be like. We tend by a secret law of the soul to move toward our mental image of God. This is true not only of the individual Christian, but of the company of Christians that composes the Church. Always the most revealing thing about the Church is her idea of God, just as her most significant message is what she says about Him or leaves unsaid, for her silence is often more eloquent than her speech. She can never escape the self-disclosure of her witness concerning God.”

Kau tasilisili, kau ki’I palofisai atu, “Ka hokohoko atu e fa'ofua e Siasii he founga tala’Otua ko ‘eni: The church will drown herself in her own pacific contextual theology.” We will become a self-centered, self-focused, me-ism Pacific-kind of church. People will read our writings and say “what a great author” but they will rarely say “what a great God.” They will talk more about our theology, as we are doing now, but talk less to the Creator. We will become a kind of a religious church only, but never a Godly church. It’s already happened and it will continue to do so should we continually pursue this kind of theological inquiry. Perhaps, we can call this "The Pacific-Contextual Theological Suicide."

Malolo 'a Henele Puniani, ka ko e A. W Tozer ia 'a Tongaa. He hardly wrote anything but he touched lives and gave people a better glimpse of Christ more than the learned of the day.

Kole atu Taniela Sila moe kau tisaipale 'a Hene ke nau fa'u ha piokalafi 'o Hene mo 'ene tala'Otua. I bet that will make more positive impact than these new kind of pacific theological pursuits.

'I he "Ofa ai pee ki he Siasi ko e Sino 'o Kalaisi

Kolofakaanga II !!!

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From: Akapei Ma'ilei <aka...@hotmail.com>
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu koe Haua - A Review

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Hunu Hunu

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Malo e fakakohukohu. Ko Sisu ko e haua, 'o hange ko e kau Sia'atoutai, 'o penipeni. (lol) Lelei pe moia, ka ko koe haua 'ia Sisu tokotaha pe ia 'e 'aonga kiai 'ene haua.

Sisu ko e Lami, 'o hange ha manu. (lol) Kae kehe, ko 'e 'uhinga pe hono ui 'o Sisu ko e lami ko e 'uhi ko 'ene fekau'aki mo e tangata mo hono fatongia ma'a kitautolu, ko e feilaulau'i ma'a kitautolu hia.

'Oku 'ikaii ha'ana fekau'aki 'a kinaua. He 'ikai te tau ui 'a Sisu ko e haua ke fetongi'aki 'a e Sisu lami. 'E kei Sisu lami pe 'a Sisu, pea 'e kei haua pe 'a Sisu. "Mahalo Sikei, te tau pehee" Sisu Lami ko e Haua"

'Oku ou tui 'oku lelei ange hono ui ko Sisu koe Tonga. (lol)
..hunuhunu

2009/11/4 Sione M. Veituna <svei...@yahoo.com>

Sami,

Semisi Ta'ai

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Nov 4, 2009, 1:43:11 PM11/4/09

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Semisi, kapau 'e liliu 'a e title 'o e tohi 'o hange ko hoo vili
ta'e'unua, hehehehe, he'ikai ke a'u 'a e fekau ia 'o e teolosia ni.
'Oku 'ikai koe 'author' 'oku tau fakaanga'i ko 'etau faka'anga'i 'e
kitautolu 'a e 'Otua pe koe ha na'e fehalaaki pehee ai 'ene angiii, 'o
fakakouna'i 'a e 'author' ke ngaue'aki ia ke 'reveal' pe tatala
maamalie mai meihe ta'e'iloa ko Sisu koe Haua, ko ia koaa Semisi?

Koe fehu'i, koe ha 'oku tau kalili ai 'ihe ui 'a Sisu koe Haua, kae
'osi 'oku tokolahi atu 'a e ngaahi matu'a 'oku nau lea kovi kihe 'enau
fanau, 'alu moe kapekape, hoko atu kihe 'enau lea kovi ki honau ngaahi
mali, hoko atu mo 'enau ta'efanongo kihe si'i hanu 'a e finematu'a
'ihe 'enau fakapikopiko moe ngaahi to'onga pehee. 'Oku lelei ange
hono lau 'a Sisu koe Haua 'ihe 'ete faiangahala, ko ia koaa Semisi pe
'ikai?

daphne

Kataki Daphne , 'oku 'ikai koha 'aku vili ta'e'unua , he 'oku
'ikai koha 'aku toe fokotu'u me'a fo'ou , koe ngaahi tohi fo'ou
ko'eni kuo 'omai ketau fanongo kiai na'e hu kotoa mai mai pe meihe
fkkaukau 'oe tohitapu lolotonga koia 'oku tokoto pe 'ae tohitapu
he 'o 'ikai mangungu hano lau mo fai 'ae ngaahi me'a oku ne
uhinga mai ketau fai , ka tau toe fa'u me'a fo'o kitautolu ke tau
pipiki kiai kae tuku 'ae tohi ia na'e 'uhinga ai 'etau lotu ,

kou manatu kihe malanga 'ae faifekau pea na'e toe faiako foki pea
na'aku tauhi kiai , fk'osi 'ene fo'i malanga kae 'emeni kuo talanoa
ia kihe fu'u ka na'e lele mai koe fu'u ka fk'ofo'ofa , pea ta'ofi ai
'ene talanoa kae 'emeni mai ia , pea kofee 'emau kai 'umu kou 'eke
atu kia , pea ne talamai na'e 'uhinga 'ene 'ai ke fifili kiai e
kakai pea nau manatua fuoloa 'ene fo'i malanga moe potufolofola ,
pea ka 'eke atu kihe kau fanongo 'ihe 'ahoni pe 'oku nau kei manatu
kihe 'ene f'oi malanga koia kou tala atu , kuo ngalo e potutohi ia
moe fekau ka 'e kei manatu'i pe 'ene fo'i tu'umaumau 'anaia ,

'Oku pehe pe ngaahi 'ahoni ia kuo lahi e fiepoto ia koe 'ai koaa
e Sisuu hauaa ke fai hano 'ohofi he fie'ilo kiai ka nau toki 'ilo 'i
loto ta koe kakano e fekau ia , 'o fai ai 'ae lele kuikui 'ae kau
fiepoto tokolahi pea 'oku lava pe ke tala mei he fklea 'oe tohi
SisuHauaa , 'oku 'ikai koe fai 'eha taha ta'elotu mo mo'ui kovi ka
koe fai 'ehe tokotaha 'oku fu'u fiepoto , koe li atu pe Daphne kae
hoko atu pe 'ae talave ia he 'oku kei ifo pe , pea 'okapau leva kuo
ta'eoli pea ui atu aa 'a Salesi ke ha'u 'o to'o atu 'ene pepa 'o li
kihe pini veve na'a ha'u le loli veve ke 'ave ai

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Sioen Veituna, 'oua leva teke lau mai kiate au, 'o pehee kuou fakapo'uli,, kae 'omai pe 'ae poini mo tali mai 'ae fehu'ii,,, ngungu ke 'osi e tohitapu nanga,,, pea mou tangutu hifo 'o lau eee, pea 'osi pea mou lau ( kape ) mai kiate au...

Koe ha ne ui ai koe Lami [ manu] teu toe 'ai atu ,,, 'omai koe ha ne ui ai koe " Lami [ manu] ,,,,,,,,

Koe ha ne ui ai koe Laione 'o Siuta [ ui ia 'e hai , 'uhinga kihe ha? ]

Kuo talamai 'e Sisu , ke ui ia koe Lami ?

Hange kiate au, ko Koe 'oku ke omai 'ae Lau Fakafalesi ,, he koe kau Falesi ne nau ui Koe Lami : 'ikai koiaaaaaaaaaa ?

'oua leva e talatuki,,,

'oualeva e 'ita, kae tali mai e fehu'ii.......

1. Kohai nene kamata ke ui 'a Sisu koe Lami ( manu ) ?

2. Kuo tali nai 'e Sisu hono ui ia Koe Lami ?

3. Ne 'iai ha folofola he tohitapu kuo ui 'e Sisu ia koe Lami ?

kae kehe, kapau ne 'ikai , ka koe fakataipe pe 'ehe kau Fa'u Tohi,,,,,,,,, Koa ha hono maumau hono fakataipe koe " Haua"...

kapau he'ikai lava 'o tali lelei mai 'e ngaahi fifili ko'ena , pea tau hiki aaaa..

malo ,moe fakamokomoko aipe ..

sami.

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Sam Pakofe

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Sent: Wed, 4 November, 2009 11:54:29 PM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu koe Haua - A Review

Malo kakai. Ki'i fakamahino atu pe ko e ngaahi talanoa hotau paenga ni ko e takitaha fai pe 'a'ene fakakoloa mei he'ene mahino mo hono loto mo 'ene fakakaukau fakaeia pe 'o 'ikai ko ha lau ia 'a e Tasilisili. Kaikehe ka 'okapau 'oku 'uhinga kehe 'a'ene ha "tasilisili" meihe "Tasilisili" 'oku fai ai 'a e lave ni pea fakamolemole atu.

Hange kiate au 'oku takitaha mo'ona pe 'a e mo'oni 'o fakatefito pe he faofao 'a e kau tufunga-lea-moe-fakakaukau.

Tau vakai ki heni "Lisiate Loto'i-Laione", "Sione Aposetolo ko e 'Ikale" vs 'Oku puke 'a X he "mahaki-moa" ka ko Y ia ko e tama "namu" ka ko Z ia ko e "puha-pusi", ka ko Q ia ko e "lupe", 'Oku tokoni koaa 'eni pe toe fihi mo ma'u ange 'a e fakaponaa ia. 'Ofa atu, tfinau

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tokoni 'aupito ,,,,,,Tfinau,

pea mou kataki kau tasilisili, pea mahalo pe Tfinau kuo nagli too kitua' e talanoa, ka kiate au , ko'eku feinga ke fakahoa 'e ngaahi Faka-kaukau meihe Tohitapu kihe kaveinga kuo talanoa'ii 'oku mahino mai kiate au, na'e 'ikai koha Founga fo'ou 'eni ia hono ui koe Haua 'a Sisu, he na'e ui koe Lupe, Lami, Laione pea 'oku tu'u pehe 'eku fakakaukau, 'oku taaau ke tali 'ae ngaahi a'usia 'aha fa'u tohi 'oka 'oku fakatataa lelei mai hono ngaue 'aki,,

kae malo e fakamaama , pea 'oku tokoni lahi a'uptio..

malo

sami.

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Quoting Daphne Taukolonga <sioelina...@yahoo.com.au>:

> Lapai Mesa

> Koe 'uhinga ia 'eku taukapo atu kimu'a 'oku lahi 'a e ta'e'ilo kihe
> founga na'e taanaki mai 'aki 'a e ngaahi tohi 'o hiki fakataha koe
> tohitapu. 'Oku lolotonga 'iai moe ngaahi tohi kehe 'oku nau
> kei fakatatali atu 'ihe Vatican 'oku te'eki ke fakakau mai ia 'ihe
> tohitapu, ka 'e 'iai pe 'a e taimi 'e toki tukumai. Lahi 'a e ngaahi
> tohi 'ihe tohitapu na'e toki felotolotoi pe 'a e kau taki 'o e lotu
> fakakalisitiane 'o mamani ke kau mai kihe tohitapu 'ihe ngaahi senituli
> mai kimui ni. Ko ia ai, oua leva mu'a temou peheee kuo mou 'osiki 'a e
> mamani 'o e tohitapu he 'oku 'ikai ke fai ha 'ilo kihe ngaahi tohi 'oku
> te'eki ke 'omai.
>
> Koe tohitapu na'e 'translate/interpret' kihe ngaahi lea kehekehe, hoko
> mai kihe English pea toki translate mai ai kihe fakaTonga. 'Oku
> malava pe ia ke liliu 'ehe kau liliu tohitapu fakatonga 'ihe kaha'u 'a e
> 'Sisu koe Sevaniti 'o 'ai koe Sisu koe Haua'.
>

> daphne
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seni taniela

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'Oku kehe 'aupito e ngaahi metafoa he Tohitapu eg. Vaine Mo'onia, Lami etc, pea mo e Hauaa. 'Oku positive e ngaahi metafoa he tohitapu pea 'i he context takitaha 'oku ne fakamaama'i mai 'a Kalaisi.

Kehe haua ia...it's negative both in its Tongan and English definitions...haua/wander/wanderer. 'I he context Tonga, 'e kehe 'uhinga e haua eg. taha 'oku 'alunoa, faka'atu kai, fakapikopiko, fa'a konaa, etc..kae 'ikai homeless. Majority e kau haua he context Tonga, 'i he'eku tui, ko e fiehaua pee mo e fakapikopiko e tokolahi. They can choose e better life. Kehe ia mei he context Palesitaine..mahalo ko e tokolahi ko e fakatupu he social structure. ka 'oku toe 'iai moe tokolahi ko e personal choice.. Ka 'ai e haua he lea fakapalangi--wanderer--'oku common he ngaahi definition fakapalangi e without purpose/destination/plan hangee ko e post a Lote Tupou

Neongo 'oku pehee 'ehe pepa "Jesus was neither prodigal nor aimless in his movement" ka 'i he taimi tatau 'oku toe ui pee 'a Sisu ko e wanderer(without defining wanderer) Hangee ha pehee mai ne 'ikai ta'etaumu'a 'a Sisu ka na'e haua noa'ia pee. 'Ikai ha discuss e uhinga fakapalangi e wander moe wanderer pea feinga ke draw e boundary around the definition 'oku pehee 'ehe pepaa tene ngaue'akii. ko hono ta'edefine e wanderer fakataha moe konga e content e pepaa kuo 'asi ai 'a Sisu ko e tama na'e 'alunoa mo haua fakataha moe kau hauaa 'i Palesitaine pee i loto Nuku'alofaa pea 'oku 'iai e totonu hono fakaanga'i e pepaa.

Na'e totonu ke fakamoleki ha taimi e pepaa hono discuss fakaikiiki (details) e meaning fakatonga e haua, mo e 'uhinga ki he kakai Tongaa, toe fakamoleki mo e taimi he definition fakapalangi e wanderer moe uhinga ki he kau palangi, pea pehee ki he meaning fakaSiu kapau 'oku kehekehe, fakamahino honau tatau, mo honau kehekehe, pea fakamahino e definition pau te ne ngaue'akii ke fakapapau'i ne 'ikai 'alu noa mo ta'etaumu'a 'a Sisu, telia na'a pehee 'ehe kau lau na'e faiangahala 'a Sisu. Hangee 'oku Haua e title, ka e homeless pe outcast e kongalahi e content. Hangee ia ne haua tatau pee 'a Sisu moe kau haua Tonga 'i Nuku'alofaa. Since haua is already a loaded term, the author should spend time in definition ke fakamahino'i na ikai faiangahala 'a Sisu mo maumautaimi.

'Ikai ngata ai ko e statement koena "...there is no doubt that Jesus wandered the length and breath (not breadth) of the world."Really??? 'uhinga ki he haa e setesi ko 'enii...Is this true??Did he ever travel out of Palestine? tukukehe kapau 'oku tui e pepaa ki he lau ne a'u 'a Sisu ki Initiaa... Pee 'oku 'uhinga in His Spirit He wandered (lue noa) to the length and breadth of the world? that statement is either false, meaningless, or abstract. Na'e homeless nai 'a Sisu??...na'a ne li'aki ta'e'uhinga nai 'ene ongomatu'aa?? Ne 'uhinga nai e pehee 'oku 'ikai ha potu ke malolo ki ai hono 'ulu ke pehee he was a haua, 'inee koaa Tefinii??

ko e pehee ne hoko 'a Sisu koe haua he'ene fakaanga'i e system hono kuonga pea lau ia 'ehe kau takilotu SIuu ko e vale etc..pea ne faka'ataa ia ke identify ia fakataha mo e kakai ma'ulalo he sosaieti does not make him a haua..It is a non-sequitur ...it does not follow logically that he therefore became a haua...pea ke tau conclude ai he was a hauaa....It seems we rip off the text from its meaning...or force our meaning into the text. Ngali ofiange pehee na'e outcast/fehi'anekina'i 'a Sisu fakataha moe kau hauaa but he was never a haua.

It seems we are recreating a Jesus that never was. That's a sorry state of the church.

sfaupula

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fkongo 'oua toe fehu'i holo e me'a 'oku ke 'osi mahino'i pee. kae mahalo kiate au ko ho'o feinga ke fkmahino ho'o poini 'oku ke fehu'i ai e! kaekehe, katoa e ngaahi hingoa 'oku 'ai kia sisu 'i he folofola 'oku 'iai honau 'uhinga ke fkmahino mo fkfelave'i 'a e fkkaukau 'a e tangata/fefine ki he ngaue fkmo'ui na'a ne feia. hange pe ko e lami, ko e fktaipe ia 'i he fm 'o e ngaue 'a sisu ke 'ave hia 'o hange ko e lami 'i he founga feilaulau ne tu'utu'uni 'e he 'otua 'i he fuakava motu'a. ko e laione 'o siuta, 'oku fktaipe ia kia sisu ko e tu'i he ko sisu ko e hako 'o e laione 'o siuta. fkongo, ko e ngaahi hingoa 'o sisu 'i he loto tohitapu 'oku kehe ia meihe fangaki'i fkhingoa atu koeni he taimi ni he 'oku 'ikai ko e konga e ngaahi hingoa ia 'o sisu he kuonga ni 'a e talanoa 'o e tohitapu 'o fekau'aki mo e ngaue fkmo'ui ne feia 'e sisu. ko e ngaahi hingoa 'o sisu he fkfo'ou 'oku tautau kotoa atu pe ia ki he fkkaukau ne 'i he fuakava motu'a tuku kehe pe 'a e lapai (laponai) he ko e hingoa pe ia ne ui 'aki ha kau faiako hono kuonga 'i mamani. kehe 'aupito eni ia meihe sisu haua pea mo e sisu tonga mo e sisu siapani, mo e sisu 'uli'uli, poko, hipi, etc... malo

Daphne Taukolonga

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hehehe, tamasi'i Semisi 'oku ou lau ho'o fakatalanoa.

Hange pe ko ho'o fakamatala kimu'a, ko 'etau laku pe ki loto, 'uluaki 'oku fiemalie ai hotau loto fakafo'ituitui. Ko hono ua, 'oku tau feako'aki, 'oku tau ako ai 'ihe fa'ahinga feohi ni, 'ihe lelei moe kovi.

Koe ki'i me'asi'i pe 'oku ou fie fakalea atu ai ko ho'o ngaue'aki 'a e fo'i lea koe 'fiepoto'. 'Oku ke 'ilo 'oku 'ikai ke 'iai ha lea pehee ia 'ihe tikisinale 'a e uesite.

Na'e talamai 'ehe motu'a mei Houma ko 'Makaui' ko hoku uncle mo Sitiveni mo Takamuli, koe fo'i lea koe fiepoto koe fo'i lea ia 'a e tokotaha 'oku ui ko 'Vale'.

Te'eki foki keu fe'iloaki au mo 'Vale', koe 'ai pe keu kole kia Sitiveni ke 'ofa mai 'o kole atu kia Makaui ke tuku 'ene ngaue'aki 'a e fo'i lea koe 'fiepoto', kuo ke hanga 'e koe 'o 'omai 'o ngaue'aki, koe fielau ka ma'u ai ha luma 'o e kau Fatumu. hehehehe.

hehehehe, ofa lahi atu kiate koe Semisi.

daphne

--- On Wed, 4/11/09, Semisi Ta'ai <weas_ma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

'Oku pehe pe ngaahi 'ahoni ia kuo lahi e fiepoto ia koe 'ai koaa
e Sisuu hauaa ke fai hano 'ohofi he fie'ilo kiai ka nau toki 'ilo 'i
loto ta koe kakano e fekau ia , 'o fai ai 'ae lele kuikui 'ae kau
fiepoto tokolahi pea 'oku lava pe ke tala mei he fklea 'oe tohi
SisuHauaa , 'oku 'ikai koe fai 'eha taha ta'elotu mo mo'ui kovi ka
koe fai 'ehe tokotaha 'oku fu'u fiepoto , koe li atu pe Daphne kae
hoko atu pe 'ae talave ia he 'oku kei ifo pe , pea 'okapau leva kuo
ta'eoli pea ui atu aa 'a Salesi ke ha'u 'o to'o atu 'ene pepa 'o li
kihe pini veve na'a ha'u le loli veve ke 'ave ai

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Malo kuo tukunga lelei ia Seni, malie hono vetevete e Sisu 'o Nasaleit mei he Sisu Haua. Seni nofo ma'u pe heni mo Veni he 'oku kei toe mai 'ae ngaahi Sisu 'ae Kau Scholars 'o onopooni, kapau 'oku 'iai ha Faifekau kuo 'osi fononga holo ia mo ha'ane Sisu 'ana pea 'omai.

'Oku toe 'iai moha Sisu 'e taha ?

sepesi.
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Daphne Taukolonga

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Ma'ananga

Fakamolemole atu, neongo na'aku 'osi 'ilo ko koe na'ake kole mai 'i loto ni ke 'omai ha copy kiate au, ka 'okapau teu loto keke ta'olunga mo tulaafale mai 'i Tasilisili ni, 'ai ai mo 'ene malie 'a e ngaahi hakaa, 'oku taa'i atu leva 'a e fasi teke ta'olunga mai ai. 'E faingofua ange ai 'a e talanoa 'ihe fe'ilongaki. Koe founga ia 'a e kau Hala Vave. hehehehe.

Ma'ananga, ko 'eku fakamanatu atu 'oku 'ikai ketau 'entitle' kitautolu kihe me'a'ofa 'a e 'Otua. Sione 3:16, ko Sisu koe me'a'ofa 'ata'ata pe ia 'a e 'Otua, na'e 'ikai ketau ngaue'i, hala'ata! 'Oku fa'iteliha pe 'a e 'Otua 'ene tufa 'ene Kelesi, pea kapau ko 'ene Kelesi 'oku fakafou mai 'ihe 'Sisu koe Haua', 'e tuku 'a e Kelesi ia kihe tafa'aki katau fuhu'i 'e kitautolu 'a e 'crust'?

'Oku taha pe 'a e 'uhinga 'oku ou talanoa ai 'ihe tepile ni, 'ikai toe ua, koe hulutu'a ia kiate au 'a e 'ofa 'a e 'Otua 'iate au. 'Oku ou tui leva ko hoku 'responsiblity' keu fakamatala 'ae 'ofa 'a e 'Otua meihe 'eku mahino'i 'a e Sisu koe Haua.

'Oku ou fakatauange pe keke tali (accept) 'oku 'ikai ke 'iai ha taha 'i mamani 'e haohaoa, pea koe natula 'o e tangata 'oku ako 'ihe 'aho kotoa. Ne'ine'i ke fekau 'a e kau 'Isileli 'ihe 'enau fononga 'ihe toafa ke kai 'a e me'akai 'oe 'aho, pea 'oua 'e tukutaunga kihe 'aho 'e taha. Koe fakatu'utamaki 'o e tuku taunga, 'e ha'u 'a e me'akai fo'ou, 'oku te langa kete atu kita 'i hono kai 'a e me'akai na'e tukutaungaa.

ofa lahi atu kiate koe, pea tuku 'a e kohuu ia, ko ho'o tui leta fuhu koe me'a ia 'a e kakai 'oku poto 'ihe fuhu! hehehehe.

daphne

--- On Wed, 4/11/09, Sione M. Veituna <svei...@yahoo.com> wrote:

lau e post ke mahino pea toki komeni ee, mo e fakapiko ee, kuo mou kole mai ke lau he context ka mou lau ta'e context pe moutolu

ne tomu'a ma'u 'e au 'ia koe e pepa, pea ko au ne u kole atu ke oatu ha'o tatau, kuo ngalo ia 'iate koe, osi lau e au e pepa, pea osi komeni atu ai he fuoloa, fakahela ko e ai ke tau toe foki ki ai ee, i think you miss those posts

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Pesi mahalo pe 'e a'u ki ha taimi kuo takitaha 'ai 'ene Sisu kae tokaange ha fa'ahinga fakaiku 'e si'i fakaiku 'aki
'o hange pe ko e takitaha fokotu'u hono siasi uesiliana kotoa pe kae fakaiku kehekehe.kapau na'e 'ikai
ha kau pale hange ko e ongotama na ee mahalo kutau hopo atu 'o haua kotoa
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Nau Taitusi 'Ahosivi

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Sepesi:

kapau 'oku 'iai ha Faifekau kuo 'osi fononga holo ia mo ha'ane Sisu 'ana
pea 'omai. 'Oku toe 'iai moha Sisu 'e taha ?

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Takamuli ko e Sisu eni 'e taha na'a ne taufale'i 'a Paul he hala ki
Tamasikusi. Ko e angalelei he taimi ni 'a Pope ko hono ki'i kinisi 'e he
tama. Ake pe 'o 'ilo'i e hala ki falelotu. ha haha!

Ko e ta'alo mo teuteu hiki atu ee.

moe 'ofa.

Sailosi Alofi

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sami malo e fakatalanoa kae hu atu mu'a e ki'ifakamatalili ko 'eni.na'e 'uhinga mai 'a Sisu ia ki he 'ene mokosia kete hange 'o 'ave 'o fakamafana'i kapau 'oku ngauepopula fakatau'ataina'i ko e taukave 'oku fai hange ha

kekei fakalotolahi'i e kakai ko e me'a sai e ngaue popula,kei sai pe nofo tu'a fale.

ko e anga pe foki ia e kau'italanoa

losi

Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:19:39 -0800
From: pak...@yahoo.com.au
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu koe Haua - Good Samaritan
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