Christian Mysticism VERSES New Age
christi...@ev1.net
<hallelujah@praisethelord> wrote:
>"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> I see Jewish sounding name = "bad"
>> and Gentile sounding name = "good"
>> I guess I am a good-jew ! My last name is Webb !
>> BTW many non-Jews have "Jewish last names" !
>>
> That's not the question. The question is, whether a Jew can have an
>objective view regarding the ownership of Palestinian land, or whether
>dispossessing and expelling non-Jewish owners is automatically right and
>good.
Quoting you...
> What do you wanna bet it's a justification to make refugees out of their
>Palestinian natives? Finkelstein and Silberman indeed!!!!!!
You based your view on their names !
christi...@ev1.net
Read Acts 15
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:10:32 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
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>> Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
>> >
>> > They are "oppressed" by either their, or their forefathers OWN CHOICE,
>> > the land BELONGS to Israel, by Biblical, and political mandate.
>>
>> What a load of crap. The land belongs to the people
>> who live there. The Isrealis have made themselves
>> the new Nazis of the Middle East, and the biblical
>> justifications for this only show just how poor the
>> Bible performs as a template for modern life.
>>
> Please exclude the NT from that. Our chief motto is the Golden Rule
>which allows for no colonialism.
christi...@ev1.net
(Christian Mystic)) wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:45:20 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
><hallelujah@praisethelord> wrote:
>>"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:06:58 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
>>> <hallelujah@praisethelord> wrote:
>>> >"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
>>> >news:3e6ce1bb....@news.ev1.net...
>>> >> On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:40:00 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
>>> >> <hallelujah@praisethelord> wrote:
>>> >> >"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
>>> >> >news:3e6a4a3c...@news.ev1.net...
>>> >> >> On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:24:08 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
>>> >> >> <hallelujah@praisethelord> wrote:
>>> >> >> >"Tom" <danto...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> >> >> >news:A%W9a.6496$wJ1.6...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>>> >>
>>> >> <snip>
>
>>> > I'm afraid, the judgment will fall harshly on you, for you will
>>> >experience all what these "least of them" experienced, from ancient times
>>> >till now, and you cannot enter the gates of heaven till you explain and
>>> >convince them of the justice in your support of the aggressors in the face
>>> >of the Golden Rule of Christ Jesus whom you confess.
>>>
>>> You speak of which you know not.
>>> They have been offered much more then they deserve
>>>
>> What "They have been offered" only you seem to know. No one else around
>>here has ever heard of your claims.
>
>If that were so, they aren't very bright.
>
>> As the Golden Rule stands, you are only
>>obliged to do unto others what you would want them to do unto you,
>
>True
>
>> so you
>>don't mind then, if the American Native Indians were to come to claim their
>>land back and force you to move to the deserts where you can make "the
>>desert bloom like the Israelis have done".
>
>God made the claim in His end-time prophecies, what humans claim, has
>nothing to do with it.
>You are mixing oranges with applies
>
>> I pray your wish comes true,
>>Glenn.
>
>What wish is that ?
>
>>Yet I wouldn't be surprised if you wouldn't rather be a suicide
>>bomber and kill yourself and a bunch of them instead.
>
>I hold suicide to be a sin, which I would never commit for ANY reason,
>so don't hold your breath.
>
>> Christian Mystics would rather die, than harm one hair on their enemy's
>>head.
>
>You really need to study up on the historic context of Jesus' "love
>your enemy" statement.
>
>If you took the time to read the Maccabees, the Romans were NOT
>enemies in the OT context, there was a treaty between the Isrealis and
>Rome "Your enemies are my enemies, and your friends are my friends".
>
>In context, your PERSONAL enemies may rape your daughter, and treat
>you cruely, as the Romans treated the Jews, BUT if an enemy came and
>attacked either of you, you would fight along side each other against
>them, as Rome and Israel had agreed to do ! THAT enemy you are to LOVE
>!
>
>> They wouldn't want to live in a world, where to survive you had to
>>mistreat anyone.
>
>Thus they would not protect the Temple of the Lord, their bodies ??
>You love to MAKE UP things, don't you ?
>
>>--
>>Pastor Frank
>>
>>THE GOLDEN RULE
>>Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,
>>and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength:
>>this is the first commandment.
>>31: And the second is alike, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as
>>thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
>
>Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Pastor Frank
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Silberman are Jews, and though not all Jews are Zionists, yet for a Jew to
be a Jews he must justify the below holocaust of the entire native
population of the "promised land", let alone the right of Jews to continue
brutalizing Palestinian natives ad infinitum. Or do you want to deny this?
--
Pastor Frank
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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Steve Hayes
So which verses are they?
Steve Hayes
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Harry Palmer
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Pastor Frank wrote:
> What are "my views"?
Racist doofus-ism, apparently. Exhibit A=>:
> It's a virtual 100% certainty, Finkelstein and Silberman are Jews, and
> though not all Jews are Zionists, yet for a Jew to be a Jews he must
> justify the below holocaust of the entire native population of the
> "promised land", ...
Pastor Frank
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also a race. Jews along with their Arab cousins belong to the Semitic race,
and I wasn't speaking against Jews AND Arabs. In other words Jews are only
different from Arabs on account of their religion.
I was talking about people of one religion killing an entire country
full of people of another religion, so that they can "possess the land" and
"reap where they have not sown".
If you grant that right to the Jews, are you ready to grant the same
right to all other people whose god tells them to stage holocausts on a
massive scale? Or are you bigoted towards some and not towards others?
That kind of attitude in the present atomic age, will get us all killed
"when least expected". See below prophesies.
--
Pastor Frank
CAUSE (Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land")
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
PROPHETIC APOCALYPSE, (The nuclear consequence)
2Pt:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up.
2Pt:3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall
melt with fervent heat?
Jesus in Matt. 24:16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the
mountains:
17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of
his house:
18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in
those days!
20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the
sabbath day:
21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning
of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be
saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Jesus in Lk:23:30: Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on
us; and to the hills, Cover us.
Rv:16:9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name
of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give
him glory.
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Libertarius
Could you post some of those VRESES?
Harry Palmer
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Pastor Frank wrote:
>>> What are "my views"?
>> Racist doofus-ism, apparently. Exhibit A=>:
>>> It's a virtual 100% certainty, Finkelstein and Silberman are Jews, and
>>> though not all Jews are Zionists, yet for a Jew to be a Jews he must
>>> justify the below holocaust of the entire native population of the
>>> "promised land", ...
> Since when are Jews " a race"?
You tell me. You keep directing animosity towards all Jews based on what
some Jews do you don't agree with. Just look at what you say above. You
say you have an issue with Zionism but then you turn around & insist that
what defines a Jew is to acquiesce to genocide.
> Jews along with their Arab cousins belong to the Semitic race,
Not all Jews have a Semitic ancestry. & since when is race a legitimate
category in the first place?. You can spin it anyway you want, your
"views" are obviously a product of racist doofus-ism.
Pastor Frank
the Judaic religion are not called Judaists, but Jews. Hence, Jew is a
religious designation much like Islamite or Christian. That begs the
question, whether your desperate attempt to make a racial slur out of the
word "Jew" is your justification of ethnic cleansing and the brutal
persecution Jews meet out to Palestinian natives from ancient times until
the present? Perhaps you also would like to justify slavery and most other
of man's inhumanity to man? The consequences of our support of such actions
is about to befall us. See below
Furthermore, making up terms that are not listed in any dictionary, like
"doofus-ism", doesn't legitimize your claims any.
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Harry Palmer
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Pastor Frank wrote:
>> Not all Jews have a Semitic ancestry. & since when is race a legitimate
>> category in the first place?. You can spin it anyway you want, your
>> "views" are obviously a product of racist doofus-ism.
> Perhaps you have noticed, that those of the Semitic race belonging to
> the Judaic religion are not called Judaists, but Jews. Hence, Jew is a
> religious designation much like Islamite or Christian. That begs the
> question, whether your desperate attempt to make a racial slur out of
> the word "Jew" is your justification of ethnic cleansing and the
> brutal persecution Jews meet out to Palestinian natives from ancient
> times until the present? Perhaps you also would like to justify
> slavery and most other of man's inhumanity to man? The consequences of
> our support of such actions is about to befall us. See below
> Furthermore, making up terms that are not listed in any dictionary, like
> "doofus-ism", doesn't legitimize your claims any.
Shut the fuck up, you racist doofus.
RobertLauzeckas
Wow, if you believe killing is justified because God, the
mightest=rights, advocated killing, you think? Then Hitler must have
been right, because he had the might. Is this right? Hmmmm. let me think
about it. But did God really say that? Or did a Jew write
that...claiming God said it? Did God write the Bible himself or was it a
bunch of Jews? Jews who claim they shared this rapport with God in the
remote past, but can't seem to make him utter one word today?
How is that?
RobertLauzeckas
Maybe because what God really is, is a composite minds of all the left
brains in Mankind. He lives in mankind as a supermind, between us and
the Holy Spirit, which is the mind behind all of reality. God favors his
right side and right arm, naturally, because the left brain controls
them. Left brain processes language, so WORDS and LAWS are his way of
governing the people within him. Just as his Kingdom of Heaven[his mind]
lives within us.
Jesus is his human center. Where his judgement becomes human. Where he
forgives as man and a God. So Jesus is able to forgive sin. Not as an
all-powerful God, but a man within God.
This is why the Golden Rule is true. Because loving your neighbor is
Loving God.
Oh, did I mention there is a conterpart mind within Mankind, composed of
Right brains, favoring the sinister left hand. You can him Satan. The
right brain, the builder, like cain, the artist, like the second
anti-Christ, Hitler.
Tsh, tsh, what some people kept hidden from the world.
RobertLauzeckas
Actually I can answer that question. I would like to see if anyone else
can?
It is aweful reasoning to think they have the OK from God to kill. It
makes Hitler right by any argument. Is that desired or not? Bet not.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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> <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> > On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:41:33 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
> > <hallelujah@praisethelord> wrote:
> > >"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > >news:3e60f308...@news.ev1.net...
<snip>
> > Quoting you...
> > > What do you wanna bet it's a justification to make refugees out of
their
> > >Palestinian natives? Finkelstein and Silberman indeed!!!!!!
> >
> > You based your view on their names !
> >
> What are "my views"? It's a virtual 100% certainty, Finkelstein and
> Silberman are Jews, and though not all Jews are Zionists, yet for a Jew to
> be a Jews he must justify the below holocaust of the entire native
> population of the "promised land", let alone the right of Jews to continue
> brutalizing Palestinian natives ad infinitum. Or do you want to deny this?
Yes, because unlike you, I believe what the Bible says about Israel's return
to their land
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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Pastor Frank
> "Pastor Frank" <pfr...@christfirst.com> wrote in message
> news:3ede46e7b50a266f...@news.teranews.com...
> > <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > news:ltdqpvsuilgqogqdh...@4ax.com...
> > > On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:41:33 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
> > > <hallelujah@praisethelord> wrote:
>
> > > >Quoting you...
> > > > What do you wanna bet it's a justification to make refugees out
of
> > > >their Palestinian natives? Finkelstein and Silberman indeed!!!!!!
> > >
> > > You based your view on their names !
> >
> > What are "my views"? It's a virtual 100% certainty, Finkelstein and
> > Silberman are Jews, and though not all Jews are Zionists, yet for a Jew
to
> > be a Jews he must justify the below holocaust of the entire native
> > population of the "promised land", let alone the right of Jews to
continue
> > brutalizing Palestinian natives ad infinitum. Or do you want to deny
this?
>
> Yes, because unlike you, I believe what the Bible says about Israel's
return
> to their land
>
holocausts. They believe in buying property not killing the owners in order
to "possess the land" and "reap were you have not sown".
Christ championed Human Rights and even went beyond that, demanding we
LOVE our enemies and do good to those who abuse and persecute us, etc. etc.
Nowhere did Christ ever command nor condone the killing of anyone for any
reason, especially not in order to "possess his land".
We all will be judged as we judge others, and you will be judged with
those who kill and / or justify killing to possess other people's property.
See below
--
Pastor Frank
THE ROYAL LAW
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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Mike Rhodes
> Most cilivlized people believe in Human Rights and don't believe in
>holocausts. They believe in buying property not killing the owners in order
>to "possess the land" and "reap were you have not sown".
> Christ championed Human Rights and even went beyond that, demanding we
>LOVE our enemies and do good to those who abuse and persecute us, etc. etc.
>Nowhere did Christ ever command nor condone the killing of anyone for any
>reason, especially not in order to "possess his land".
> We all will be judged as we judge others, and you will be judged with
>those who kill and / or justify killing to possess other people's property.
>See below
Are you even aware of the Old Testament? God said, "Thou shall not
kill." But then told them to kill. David even thanked God that He
was a God of war. Then the Son of David came, but in His love He
showed some restraint in being gracious around 'dogs.'
The contradiction between the two may be difficult for some to
resolve. But I think there are a large number of beasts out there,
and so obviously full of trouble. I don't think one can murder a
beast, nor save them.
I would not complain if you loved your neighbor, if they are
capable of being neighbors. But when championing 'human(?) rights',
in your big heart full of gifts to _whatever_, then please leave my
property, and my children, alone, thief. I don't believe you are
being that civilized, or solving any problem at all.
Yes, "For God so loved the world..." But that dung heap over there
can't possibly be my world. And you will not make it so. I do not
see where Jesus did. His teachings were to the _civilized_, (or to
restore them to that state which was lost.)
You will not give them my state, out of a perversed love.
Mike
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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> > > <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> > > > On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:41:33 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
> > > > <hallelujah@praisethelord> wrote:
<snip>
> > Yes, because unlike you, I believe what the Bible says about Israel's
return
> > to their land
> >
> Most cilivlized people believe in Human Rights and don't believe in
> holocausts.
So the only way to be "civilized" is to place HUMAN ideals, over GOD'S ?
<snip>
Old Coyote
> Are you even aware of the Old Testament? God said, "Thou shall not
> kill." But then told them to kill. David even thanked God that He
> was a God of war. Then the Son of David came, but in His love He
> showed some restraint in being gracious around 'dogs.'
> The contradiction between the two may be difficult for some to
> resolve. But I think there are a large number of beasts out there,
> and so obviously full of trouble. I don't think one can murder a
> beast, nor save them.
> I would not complain if you loved your neighbor, if they are
> capable of being neighbors. But when championing 'human(?) rights',
> in your big heart full of gifts to _whatever_, then please leave my
> property, and my children, alone, thief. I don't believe you are
> being that civilized, or solving any problem at all.
> Yes, "For God so loved the world..." But that dung heap over there
> can't possibly be my world. And you will not make it so. I do not
> see where Jesus did. His teachings were to the _civilized_, (or to
> restore them to that state which was lost.)
> You will not give them my state, out of a perversed love.
>
> Mike
"All animals are created equal. (But some are more equal than others)"
George Orwell - Animal Farm
Yes I'm calling you a fascist, & I'm telling you that because you
are obviously too stupid to figure it out on your own. You are a
pisspoor Christian, & I'm telling you *that* because someone needs
to, & *you* obviously need to hear it.
Regulus
alt.magick, and who says you have the right to kill animals. I am a
strict vegetarian, I love nature and animals, but that does not mean I
turn the other cheek. My home city was just bombed several times by
religious fanatics, and I don't see the difference in your attitudes.
If the world is a dung heap, it's because of religious fanatics like
you who have worked hard to destroy civilization for hundreds of
years. "Love your neighbor" means just that, love your neighbor, and
there is no "but..." Defend your rights, but also defend the rights of
others, in other words be civilized.
LVX
Regulus
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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> > > <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > > news:ltdqpvsuilgqogqdh...@4ax.com...
> > > > On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:41:33 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
> > > > <hallelujah@praisethelord> wrote:
<snip>
> > Yes, because unlike you, I believe what the Bible says about Israel's
return
> > to their land
> >
> Most cilivlized people believe in Human Rights and don't believe in
> holocausts. They believe in buying property not killing the owners in
order
> to "possess the land" and "reap were you have not sown".
So preach to the Palistinians to stop killing the owners of the land, the
Israelis.
Pastor Frank
other peoples property and intend to get it by killing the owner will have a
place in the Kingdom of God, "Christian Mysticism" notwithstanding.
--
Pastor Frank
THE ROYAL LAW
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Do you believe more in that of man than that of God ? You sure seem to, as
with the first time God gave them the land, land titles, and generations
that claimed ownership, are NOTHING, God promised their return to their
land, and has been fulfilling His promise, and like the first time, not
without battles
> None who covet other peoples property and intend to get it by killing the
owner will
> have a place in the Kingdom of God,
So it is better for the Palistinians to stop coveting Israeli land
> "Christian Mysticism" notwithstanding.
> --
> Pastor Frank
> THE ROYAL LAW
> **Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
> heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
> strength: this is the first commandment.
> **31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
> as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
> **Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
> commandments."
Indeed they do, notice the word Prophets ?
> THE GOLDEN RULE
> Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
> should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
Correct
! @home.co.uk Bod !
So an eye for an eye is it. ?
fool
Pastor Frank
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> >
>
> Do you believe more in that of man than that of God ? You sure seem to, as
> with the first time God gave them the land, land titles, and generations
> that claimed ownership, are NOTHING, God promised their return to their
> land, and has been fulfilling His promise, and like the first time, not
> without battles
>
their animals, with few exceptions, and they are still proud of having
staged a most horrendous holocaust, but won't accept the right of others
doing the same to them.
You join them in this manner of doing unto others the opposite from how
they want to be treated themselves, YET you call yourself a Christian who
believes in the Royal Law of Christ and the Golden Rule of Christ. That
makes YOU a hypocrite. However not so the Jews, for their religion demands
holocausts, your religion demands the opposite, i.e. to love your enemies.
--
Pastor Frank
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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Ka
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > > Yes, because unlike you, I believe what the Bible says about
> Israel's return
> > > > > to their land
> > > > >
> > > > Most cilivlized people believe in Human Rights and don't believe
> in
> > > > holocausts. They believe in buying property not killing the owners in
> order
> > > > to "possess the land" and "reap were you have not sown".
> > >
> > > So preach to the Palistinians to stop killing the owners of the land,
> the
> > > Israelis.
> > >
> > The land titles are held by Palestinians not Israelis.
>
> Do you believe more in that of man than that of God ?
The creation of the current Israel was by the hand of men whose main
interests were/are power, money and corporate interests. Unless of
course youre saying that God has an interest in protecting the Suez
canal or other such worldy affairs?
You sure seem to, as
> with the first time God gave them the land, land titles, and generations
> that claimed ownership, are NOTHING, God promised their return to their
> land, and has been fulfilling His promise, and like the first time, not
> without battles
>
Ah so your god is a bloodthirsty war god then? Certainly doesnt sound
like the forgiving, loving Christian version or his mekk and mild Son.
> > None who covet other peoples property and intend to get it by killing the
> owner will
> > have a place in the Kingdom of God,
>
> So it is better for the Palistinians to stop coveting Israeli land
>
You need a History lesson my friend.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html
And from there you can get to this link; "The Origins and Evolution of
the Palestine Problem 1917-1947"
penitent leper
>"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
>
>> > > <snip>
>> > >
>> > > > > Yes, because unlike you, I believe what the Bible says about
>> Israel's return
>> > > > > to their land
>> > > > >
>> > > > Most cilivlized people believe in Human Rights and don't believe
>> in
>> > > > holocausts. They believe in buying property not killing the owners in
>> order
>> > > > to "possess the land" and "reap were you have not sown".
>> > >
>> > > So preach to the Palistinians to stop killing the owners of the land,
>> the
>> > > Israelis.
>> > >
>> > The land titles are held by Palestinians not Israelis.
>>
>> Do you believe more in that of man than that of God ?
>
>The creation of the current Israel was by the hand of men whose main
>interests were/are power, money and corporate interests.
And of men who were mostly non-religious secular socialists; in
cahoots with nonJewish men and women who erroneously thought that a
"national homeland for the Jews" was a great idea.
>Unless of
>course youre saying that God has an interest in protecting the Suez
>canal or other such worldy affairs?
That's the worst thing about religious Zionism - it turns a creator
who is supposedly a pure spirit and fashioner of universes into a
Bronze Age land baron whose greatest interest is the preservation of a
tiny patch of Middle Eastern real estate.
> You sure seem to, as
>> with the first time God gave them the land, land titles, and generations
>> that claimed ownership, are NOTHING, God promised their return to their
>> land, and has been fulfilling His promise, and like the first time, not
>> without battles
>>
>
>Ah so your god is a bloodthirsty war god then? Certainly doesnt sound
>like the forgiving, loving Christian version or his mekk and mild Son.
Actually, the Hebrew God has more than one mask, persona, or guise.
Depending upon who wrote about him, he was in many instances a
bloodthirsty war god. However, he was also in other texts a font of
compassion for both Jews and Gentiles, both of whom he had created.
Texts about _this_ God often claim that He is not interested in the
survival of Israel, and that pagan conquests of Israel were only to be
expected, given certain conditions. Some of this God's prophets even
preached that doing God's will meant refusing the military "draft" and
surrendering to Israel's enemies.
>> > None who covet other peoples property and intend to get it by killing the
>> owner will
>> > have a place in the Kingdom of God,
>>
>> So it is better for the Palistinians to stop coveting Israeli land
>>
>
>You need a History lesson my friend.
snip
Indeed. "Palestinians coveting Israeli land" is a hilariously inept
mistatement of the real problem. "Israeli land" never existed until
it was created by secular fiat in the Balfour Declaration and in the
later U.N. "partition". Palestinian refugees and their descendents
"coveting Israeli land" is a paranoid Zionist fantasy.
- pl -
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
> "Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> > "Pastor Frank" <pfr...@christfirst.com> wrote in message
> > news:cc29cf68393963dd...@news.teranews.com...
> > >
> > > The land titles are held by Palestinians not Israelis.
> >
> > Do you believe more in that of man than that of God ? You sure seem to,
as
> > with the first time God gave them the land, land titles, and generations
> > that claimed ownership, are NOTHING, God promised their return to their
> > land, and has been fulfilling His promise, and like the first time, not
> > without battles
> >
> The Hebrews obtained the "promised land" by killing every inhabitant
and
> their animals, with few exceptions, and they are still proud of having
> staged a most horrendous holocaust, but won't accept the right of others
> doing the same to them.
Under who's orders ?
> You join them in this manner of doing unto others the opposite from
how
> they want to be treated themselves, YET you call yourself a Christian who
> believes in the Royal Law of Christ and the Golden Rule of Christ.
Christ's golden rule does not conflict with His Father's will. I suppose you
think they were wrong to OBEY God, who ordered that His OWN law "Thou shalt
not murder" be broken when He ordered them to kill ?
> That makes YOU a hypocrite.
I practice what I preach, and therefore am not a hypocrite.
> However not so the Jews, for their religion demands
> holocausts, your religion demands the opposite, i.e. to love your enemies.
Read Acts 15, I am a Christian-Jew, seems you don't know what that is. My
religion, puts God above, even that which is attributed to him in a book,
written by men
> --
> Pastor Frank
>
> THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
> **Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
> heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
> strength: this is the first commandment.
The FIRST commandment ! Which CAN OVERRULE the second one...
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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> "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
>
> > > > <snip>
> > Do you believe more in that of man than that of God ?
>
> The creation of the current Israel was by the hand of men whose main
> interests were/are power, money and corporate interests.
Isn't it neat how God uses men, and their interests, to fulfill HIS Word ?
These men were USED
> Unless of course youre saying that God has an interest in protecting the
Suez
> canal or other such worldy affairs?
Nope, His "interest" stops with returning the land back to Israel, and
fulfilling the rest of prophecy concerning end-time Israel
> >You sure seem to, as with the first time God gave them the land, land
titles, and
> >generations
> > that claimed ownership, are NOTHING, God promised their return to their
> > land, and has been fulfilling His promise, and like the first time, not
> > without battles
> >
> Ah so your god is a bloodthirsty war god then?
When it pleases Him to be so
> Certainly doesnt sound like the forgiving, loving Christian version or his
meek and mild >Son.
Try reading Revelation, and get to know this "meek and mild Son" of the last
days.
> > > None who covet other peoples property and intend to get it by killing
the owner
> > >will have a place in the Kingdom of God,
> >
> > So it is better for the Palistinians to stop coveting Israeli land
> >
> You need a History lesson my friend.
Rather, you need to read the Bible
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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Ka
>
> >The creation of the current Israel was by the hand of men whose main
> >interests were/are power, money and corporate interests.
>
> And of men who were mostly non-religious secular socialists; in
> cahoots with nonJewish men and women who erroneously thought that a
> "national homeland for the Jews" was a great idea.
>
Well, the Zionist slogan was "A land without people for a people
without land" and i see nothing wrong with that whatsoever.
Unfortunately, they chose to move in en masse to a land that already
had people. A people who had been promised their own Independence as
an Arab state for their help during WWI. Which of course, is where the
problems all started (after 1917 and the Balfour Declaration.) I would
be ashamed to be British if it werent for the fact that the men taking
these decisions do not really represent the majority. Not in My Name.
me.....
Pastor Frank Both sides have taken land from the other many Jews who
lived in Arab lands were killed and or their land taken by Arabs.
This happened right after the Arabs attacked Israel in 1948. Why do I
hear nothing of the Arabs giving back the land they took also. Seems
most People just don't like the Jews. To me they should just forget
the land part and make peace. If the Palestinians want their land
back they should also force Egypt, jordan, lebanon and any other
country that confiscated Jewish owned lands to give it back.
As far as "Christian Mysticism" goes it can't be any worse than about
half the so called Christian groups that preach Hate and spread lies
when it will get them a few dollars. Few people speak out about Pat
Robertson, Benny Hinnn or the Christian Coalition all that spread lies
and hate and to me are not even partly Christian. I hope Christ does
not approve of lying to make a Dollar or get a Vote.
Ka
> "Ka" <too_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:f2a0b44a.03113...@posting.google.com...
> > "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
> >
> > > > > <snip>
>
> > > Do you believe more in that of man than that of God ?
> >
> > The creation of the current Israel was by the hand of men whose main
> > interests were/are power, money and corporate interests.
>
> Isn't it neat how God uses men, and their interests, to fulfill HIS Word ?
> These men were USED
>
Are you suggesting that all acts of men are inspired by God? For
example, Hitler or maybe 9/11? Or just the ones you personally agree
with? Isn't it lovely to have a god that does things you agree with
all the time? Ahhh, gods, wonderful things.
> > Unless of course youre saying that God has an interest in protecting the
> Suez
> > canal or other such worldy affairs?
>
> Nope, His "interest" stops with returning the land back to Israel, and
> fulfilling the rest of prophecy concerning end-time Israel
>
Well this is an interesting subject. Would you mind giving more
information of these prophecies? (Also you may like this link
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=f7791550b2f8ba79ecba30214118d750&threadid=58419
)
> > >You sure seem to, as with the first time God gave them the land, land
> titles, and
> > >generations
> > > that claimed ownership, are NOTHING, God promised their return to their
> > > land, and has been fulfilling His promise, and like the first time, not
> > > without battles
> > >
> > Ah so your god is a bloodthirsty war god then?
>
> When it pleases Him to be so
>
Heh, yes, as expected, it's a very human side to Him isnt it?
> > Certainly doesnt sound like the forgiving, loving Christian version or his
> meek and mild >Son.
>
> Try reading Revelation, and get to know this "meek and mild Son" of the last
> days.
>
Well, there are a number of things we could talk about regarding the
book of Revelation. For example: How can we be sure what the person
writing this down (There are scholastic arguments as to WHO actually
wrote it) is telling the truth? How do we know he wasnt just plain
crazy? The Christian world seems to put an aweful lot of weight onto
this one mans visions, a man whose identity is not even agreed upon by
many Christian scholars. Of course, he certainly seems to have been
familiar with the book of Daniel though. Even to the extent of a
little plagiarism here and there.
And what about the mystical/esoteric/Kabbalistic side of it? Or do you
take it more or less literally even though you claim... to be a
Christian Mystic?
> > > > None who covet other peoples property and intend to get it by killing
> the owner
> > > >will have a place in the Kingdom of God,
> > >
> > > So it is better for the Palistinians to stop coveting Israeli land
> > >
> > You need a History lesson my friend.
>
> Rather, you need to read the Bible
My comment is correct, yours, is not.
Crowfoot
Mystic\)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote:
> Try reading the Old Testament
>
> "penitent leper" <bast...@peak.org> wrote in message
> news:vjkksv48q0b8uurpj...@4ax.com...
> > On 30 Nov 2003 09:46:52 -0800, too_...@yahoo.com (Ka) wrote:
> >
> > >"Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
> > >
> > >> > > <snip>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > Yes, because unlike you, I believe what the Bible says about
> > >> Israel's return to their land
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >Most cilivlized people believe in Human Rights and don't
> believe in holocausts. They believe in buying property not killing the
> owners in order to "possess the land" and "reap were you have not sown".
> > >> > >
> > >> > > So preach to the Palistinians to stop killing the owners of the
> land, the Israelis.
> > >> > >
> > >> > The land titles are held by Palestinians not Israelis.
> > >>
> > >> Do you believe more in that of man than that of God ?
Absolutely and without a moment's hesitation. Do you believe that
stepping off a cliff will cause you to fall onto the rocks below, or
that you'll just fly away like a bird -- because somebody tells you so?
C
--
Crow
Crowfoot
Mystic\)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote:
> "Ka" <too_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:f2a0b44a.03113...@posting.google.com...
> > "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
> >
> > > > > <snip>
>
> > > Do you believe more in that of man than that of God ?
> >
> > The creation of the current Israel was by the hand of men whose main
> > interests were/are power, money and corporate interests.
>
> Isn't it neat how God uses men, and their interests, to fulfill HIS Word
> ?
> These men were USED
How incredibly insulting and idea; but I understand that you don't see
it that way. You want your choices chosen for you. I do too,
sometimes, but it always turns out to be a bad idea in the end.
>
> > Unless of course youre saying that God has an interest in protecting
> > the Suez canal or other such worldy affairs?
>
> Nope, His "interest" stops with returning the land back to Israel, and
> fulfilling the rest of prophecy concerning end-time Israel
Who would want to be identified with such a narrowminded god? He
sounds like ageek. Zeus had a wider purview than that! I might as well
pray to my toothbrush, which knows my mouth really well but not much
else.
> Try reading Revelation, and get to know this "meek and mild Son" of the
> last days.
Revelations has been clearly identified as a lot of rubbish falsely
stuffed into the Bible at a much later date than that of its writing.
John the apostle was apparently a very different person than John the
nutbrain who wrote down his psychotic dreams under the title
"Revelations". The problem with reading the Bible as a literalist is
that you don't ever ask the questions that lead to discovering such
distinctions, so if somebody had added in a pizza menu that would be
your Holy Word too. Pathetic, really; pity this looneyness is so
dangerous to the saner elements of the world.
C
--
Crow
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
> "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> > "Ka" <too_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:f2a0b44a.03113...@posting.google.com...
> > > "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
> > >
> > > > > > <snip>
> >
> > > > Do you believe more in that of man than that of God ?
> > >
> > > The creation of the current Israel was by the hand of men whose main
> > > interests were/are power, money and corporate interests.
> >
> > Isn't it neat how God uses men, and their interests, to fulfill HIS Word
?
> > These men were USED
> >
> Are you suggesting that all acts of men are inspired by God? For
> example, Hitler or maybe 9/11?
Nope, I am suggesting that SOME are, when it pleases Him to so "inspire" or
merely use man's folly
>Or just the ones you personally agree
> with?
It has little to do with what *I* agree, or disagree with.
> Isn't it lovely to have a god that does things you agree with
> all the time?
Sometimes I wish He would, and I would have won the Texas Lotto a long time
ago.
> Ahhh, gods, wonderful things.
I don't know about gods, but my God sure has been wonderful.
> > > Unless of course youre saying that God has an interest in protecting
the
> > Suez
> > > canal or other such worldy affairs?
> >
> > Nope, His "interest" stops with returning the land back to Israel, and
> > fulfilling the rest of prophecy concerning end-time Israel
> >
> Well this is an interesting subject. Would you mind giving more
> information of these prophecies? (Also you may like this link
>
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=f7791550b2f8ba79ecba30214118d750&threadid=58419
> )
The entirity of the Promised Land is yet to be fully gained, yet Solomon's
rule came the closest to it
> > > >You sure seem to, as with the first time God gave them the land,
land titles, and
> > > >generations that claimed ownership, are NOTHING, God promised their
return
> > > >to their land, and has been fulfilling His promise, and like the
first time, not
> > > > without battles
> > > >
> > > Ah so your god is a bloodthirsty war god then?
> >
> > When it pleases Him to be so
> >
> Heh, yes, as expected, it's a very human side to Him isnt it?
Actually, as we were made in His image, and likeness, such is a very
God-like side of us
> > > Certainly doesnt sound like the forgiving, loving Christian version or
his
> > meek and mild Son.
> >
> > Try reading Revelation, and get to know this "meek and mild Son" of the
last
> > days.
> >
> Well, there are a number of things we could talk about regarding the
> book of Revelation. For example: How can we be sure what the person
> writing this down (There are scholastic arguments as to WHO actually
> wrote it) is telling the truth? How do we know he wasnt just plain
> crazy? The Christian world seems to put an aweful lot of weight onto
> this one mans visions, a man whose identity is not even agreed upon by
> many Christian scholars. Of course, he certainly seems to have been
> familiar with the book of Daniel though. Even to the extent of a
> little plagiarism here and there.
The same God inspired both books, is it "plagiarism" to steal from YOURSELF
?
> And what about the mystical/esoteric/Kabbalistic side of it? Or do you
> take it more or less literally even though you claim... to be a
> Christian Mystic?
There is some truth in both the literal and mystic take on the texts, no one
is purely a literalist / mystic
I call myself a mystic because I am more of a mystic than a literalist. As
becomes very clear in the threads in which I go head to head with
literalists
> > > > > None who covet other peoples property and intend to get it by
killing the
> > > > >owner will have a place in the Kingdom of God,
> > > >
> > > > So it is better for the Palistinians to stop coveting Israeli land
> > > >
> > > You need a History lesson my friend.
> >
> > Rather, you need to read the Bible
>
> My comment is correct, yours, is not.
We all have our opinions
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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> In article <vslj25k...@corp.supernews.com>, "Glenn \(Christian
> Mystic\)" <christi...@ev1.net> wrote:
> > "Ka" <too_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:f2a0b44a.03113...@posting.google.com...
> > > "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
> > >
> > > > > > <snip>
> >
> > > > Do you believe more in that of man than that of God ?
> > >
> > > The creation of the current Israel was by the hand of men whose main
> > > interests were/are power, money and corporate interests.
> >
> > Isn't it neat how God uses men, and their interests, to fulfill HIS Word
> > ?
> > These men were USED
>
> How incredibly insulting and idea;
That God is higher than we, that He made us, for His own use/purposes, that
He rules, and we serve ?
> but I understand that you don't see
> it that way. You want your choices chosen for you.
Sometimes.
And some choices I had made, screwed up ones, have made me wish that I
wasn't given as much freewill as I have... He would have made far better
choices for me. Then again I am a lover of independence.
> I do too, sometimes, but it always turns out to be a bad idea in the end.
Sounds like you chose the wrong person{s} to make your choices for you,
because with God "all things work fof the best for those who love and TRUST
Him, according to HIS purpose" (If you love Him you both WANT His purposes
fulfilled in your life, and KNOW that fulfilling His purpose brings you your
greatest JOY
(Sometimes though I wish He would let me in one just what His purposes are,
though, 'cause it would be a whole lot easier for me to work WITH Him,
instead of discovering that I have been at odds with Him, which happens more
than I would wish)
> > > Unless of course youre saying that God has an interest in protecting
> > > the Suez canal or other such worldy affairs?
> >
> > Nope, His "interest" stops with returning the land back to Israel, and
> > fulfilling the rest of prophecy concerning end-time Israel
>
> Who would want to be identified with such a narrowminded god?
Aren't we talking about the fulfilment of His prophecies ? Which in the end
includes EVERYONE alive, yet to be, and who ever lived (as they return to
life).... I hardly see THAT as "narrowminded". He grants us limited free
will, free to to anything, even to DELAY the fulfilment of His word, but we
can never totally change the fact that His word will not return to Him void,
Hie WILL will happen, even if He has to turn some of us into His PUPPETS
> He sounds like a geek. Zeus had a wider purview than that! I might as
well
> pray to my toothbrush, which knows my mouth really well but not much
> else.
"Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions,
and giving of thanks be for ALL men(humans), for kings and ALL who are in
authority, that we MAY lead a quiet and peacable life in all reverence. FOR
IT IS GOOD AND ACCEPTABLE IN THE SIGHT OF GOD OUR SAVIOR, WHOSE WILL
(ABSOLUTELY WILL BE) IS THAT ALL MEN (HUMANS) WILL (AS IN WITHOUT A DOUBT)
WILL BE SAVED, AND COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH"
In the end EVERY knee, including yours, will bow to God's will
> > Try reading Revelation, and get to know this "meek and mild Son" of the
> > last days.
>
> Revelations has been clearly identified as a lot of rubbish falsely
> stuffed into the Bible at a much later date than that of its writing.
Nice duck, but although it was the last book to be included in the Canon,
because a lot of people (at the time) held to your above view. God clearly
stepped in, because it IS INCLUDED.
> John the apostle was apparently a very different person than John the
> nutbrain who wrote down his psychotic dreams under the title
> "Revelations".
Many see this, and even call them dif titles "John the Beloved" for the book
of John, and "John the Divine" for the writer of Revelations.
> The problem with reading the Bible as a literalist is
> that you don't ever ask the questions that lead to discovering such
> distinctions,
Thing is, reading it as a mystic, noting that they are not both the very
same John, is quite IRRELEVANT
> so if somebody had added in a pizza menu that would be
> your Holy Word too.
Thing is, no one did
>Pathetic, really; pity this looneyness is so
> dangerous to the saner elements of the world.
Yeah you value man's values, over God's plan, but you will lose, in the end
God WINS
> C
> --
> Crow
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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Dave Oldridge
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If you listen very, very quietly, you can sometimes hear that still,
small voice!
The real problem is not that God has stopped talking to us, but that we
are too busy shouting at Him and at one another most of the time to stop
and listen. It's an art really. Some people call it prayer, some call
it meditation, but it's the same thing really when it achieves the real
purpose of such exercises and quiets the mind so that it can hear beyond
the material, outer layer that is so noisy.
>> > > Unless of course youre saying that God has an interest in
>> > > protecting the Suez canal or other such worldy affairs?
>> >
>> > Nope, His "interest" stops with returning the land back to Israel,
>> > and fulfilling the rest of prophecy concerning end-time Israel
>>
>> Who would want to be identified with such a narrowminded god?
>
> Aren't we talking about the fulfilment of His prophecies ? Which in
> the end includes EVERYONE alive, yet to be, and who ever lived (as
> they return to life).... I hardly see THAT as "narrowminded". He
> grants us limited free will, free to to anything, even to DELAY the
> fulfilment of His word, but we can never totally change the fact that
> His word will not return to Him void, Hie WILL will happen, even if He
> has to turn some of us into His PUPPETS
Or has to take the time to PAINUFLLY teach us how to serve Him joyfully
because we will not learn painlessly.
The problem with Revelation is not the book so much as the fact that very
few people have a clue what it's about any more. (And I'm not about to
teach it in here).
>> The problem with reading the Bible as a literalist is
>> that you don't ever ask the questions that lead to discovering such
>> distinctions,
>
> Thing is, reading it as a mystic, noting that they are not both the
> very same John, is quite IRRELEVANT
There can be only one! :-)
>> so if somebody had added in a pizza menu that would be
>> your Holy Word too.
>
> Thing is, no one did
Indeed, a good deal of debate and prayer went into deciding what to
include and what to omit.
>>Pathetic, really; pity this looneyness is so
>> dangerous to the saner elements of the world.
> Yeah you value man's values, over God's plan, but you will lose, in
> the end God WINS
'What hath power to defeat the very source of power?'
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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making conscious decisions.
In what is called god, is "everything". And "everything" is run by
"law". There is no consciousness to it, no good or bad.
The posts here or anywhere else are the result of law, not of
consciousness, not of personal decisions. No one can be anything else
than what they are, and they can not control what they are.
In all the happenings in this world the law is at work, and man "sees"
it as people doing this or that. It is not Jews or Arabs doing anything,
it is the law at work through man. Does anyone think that Jews or Arabs
or any other group in this world can become something other than what
they are? They are stuck in beliefs that conflict with others. As we all
are.
Regards
henry
AAlsbrook
why would one need to really ' worship' him ?
I don't get it, do you parents out there demand your children worship you ?
Or give sacrifices to you ? Or humble themselves indignantly before you ? Do
you tell your children they inherited original sin ? But of course you are
perfect, and didn't ? ......Yeah, that's what I thought.
In other words, personalization of a higher power is ridiculous. I do believe
in God, by the way. But my God is big enough to not expect those things. I
follow my inner guidance instilled in me by this higher power, not the mad-made
lies of earth's 'religions'
God is bigger than religion. But since most people are drone by nature, they
need feel-good, myth-inspired books like the 'bible' and clerics and priests to
'show them the way'
Hmm.. 'show them the way' to the collection plate, no doubt.
Wake up, before the matrix seals your fate. 'Religion' is just another program
running this illusory, deceptive realm of control. And only the strong break
out.
Forget everything you were taught in Sunday school...the MEEK will NOT inherit
the earth. And neither will the stupid. Nor the patriotic, nor the ones who
never question authority. Those types of people always die faster, you see.
Just check out the dutiful American soldiers in Iraq, dying every day. They're
cannon fodder, expendable human bodies, collateral damage, unfortuanate
casualties.
I wish Bush had to notify each and every family of their loved one's death. And
then try to explain why his two little precious daughters will never have to
'serve their country' in Iraq. Hmm.......but then double standards make up a
large part of operational 'glitches' in the matrix. If only you have the
intelligence to notice them.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Sad that you hold human issued land titles over that which was handed out by
God's prophets
> None who covet
> other peoples property and intend to get it by killing the owner will have
a
> place in the Kingdom of God, "Christian Mysticism" notwithstanding.
The Israelis 'covet' only their own land
> --
> Pastor Frank
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Old Coyote
It shows respect to acknowledge prior occupation.
> > None who covet
> > other peoples property and intend to get it by killing the owner will have
> a
> > place in the Kingdom of God, "Christian Mysticism" notwithstanding.
>
> The Israelis 'covet' only their own land
Then if they were skilled at all with magick they would buy it, and meet
the price too, whatever it was. What they are doing shows absolutely no
respect for the Palestinian people, to the extent that it is likely rascist.
It is just another incidence of apartheid and even genocide, and it boggles
the mind that the world will watch it happen with no intervention.
Economic sanctions levelled the government of South Africa, and there
is no reason to suppose the same leverage would not have the same effect
on the Isreali government.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"Old Coyote" <OldC...@webmail.co.za> wrote in message
news:bacaf0e0.03121...@posting.google.com...
Old Coyote
> Does not connect
Connect this, fool.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"Mike Rhodes" <mroads...@granderiver.net> wrote in message
news:9b21svo9b67bos0qn...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 07:24:07 GMT, "Pastor Frank"
>
> > Most cilivlized people believe in Human Rights and don't believe in
> >holocausts. They believe in buying property not killing the owners in
order
> >to "possess the land" and "reap were you have not sown".
> > Christ championed Human Rights and even went beyond that, demanding
we
> >LOVE our enemies and do good to those who abuse and persecute us, etc.
etc.
> >Nowhere did Christ ever command nor condone the killing of anyone for any
> >reason, especially not in order to "possess his land".
> > We all will be judged as we judge others, and you will be judged with
> >those who kill and / or justify killing to possess other people's
property.
> >See below
>
> Are you even aware of the Old Testament? God said, "Thou shall not
> kill." But then told them to kill. David even thanked God that He
> was a God of war. Then the Son of David came, but in His love He
> showed some restraint in being gracious around 'dogs.'
> The contradiction between the two may be difficult for some to
> resolve. But I think there are a large number of beasts out there,
> and so obviously full of trouble. I don't think one can murder a
> beast, nor save them.
> I would not complain if you loved your neighbor, if they are
> capable of being neighbors. But when championing 'human(?) rights',
> in your big heart full of gifts to _whatever_, then please leave my
> property, and my children, alone, thief. I don't believe you are
> being that civilized, or solving any problem at all.
> Yes, "For God so loved the world..." But that dung heap over there
> can't possibly be my world. And you will not make it so. I do not
> see where Jesus did. His teachings were to the _civilized_, (or to
> restore them to that state which was lost.)
> You will not give them my state, out of a perversed love.
>
> Mike
>