Apostleship
Jong Kim
PST (Sat, July 6), speaking, mainly on the necessity of the Apostleship for
salvation in the kingdom of heaven.
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Phar-Lap
"Jong Kim" <rh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Aaron and I will be live for about an hour this morning, starting at 10 am
> PST (Sat, July 6), speaking, mainly on the necessity of the Apostleship for
> salvation in the kingdom of heaven.
>
Let us know when you are about to speak on how to make and serve cocktails
Raymond
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> "Jong Kim" <rh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Aaron and I will be live for about an hour this morning, starting at 10
am
> > PST (Sat, July 6), speaking, mainly on the necessity of the Apostleship
for
> > salvation in the kingdom of heaven.
Then I missed the post, but one thing I do know, is there is no need or
necessity for Apostleship for salvation, Jesus is the only one we need to
get into the Kingdom of Heaven.
> >
>
> Let us know when you are about to speak on how to make and serve cocktails
I quite drinking 42 years ago, to follow Christ, serve up some Pepsi maybe,
or coffee would be better, then I could drive you home, as I don't drink or
get drunk, or high on stuff.
Enjoy
Jong Kim
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> > In article <FJEV8.81137$UT.55...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > "Jong Kim" <rh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Aaron and I will be live for about an hour this morning, starting at
10
> am
> > > PST (Sat, July 6), speaking, mainly on the necessity of the
Apostleship
> for
> > > salvation in the kingdom of heaven.
>
> Then I missed the post, but one thing I do know, is there is no need or
> necessity for Apostleship for salvation, Jesus is the only one we need to
> get into the Kingdom of Heaven.
I appreciate your sincere desire to serve the Lord. Yes, there is God and
the Bible is true. There are some things I'd like to point out.
40 ś He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth
him that sent me.
(New Testament | Matthew 10:40)
The Lord was speaking of the order of his Priesthood.
Cornelius had an amazing vision of an angel of God, as recorded in Acts 10,
so he was a prophet, but to be saved he still had to apply for baptism by a
legal administrator of the kingdom of God, in Cornelius's case Peter the
chief apostle. Acts 18 and 19 record that Apollos taught only the baptism of
John, but once the correct Gospel was taught him, he joined the Church of
Jesus Christ.
What power and authority did Jesus Christ have to establish the kingdom of
God? It was the Apostleship, which holds the keys of the Melchizedek
Priesthood. Only an apostle, upon revelation, can ordain bishops, for
example.
1 WHEREFORE, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the
Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
(New Testament | Hebrews 3:1)
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the
faith among all nations, for his name:
(New Testament | Romans 1:5)
John the Baptist held all the keys of the Priesthood of Aaron, and he was
the gateway into the kingdom of God until the advent of Jesus Christ, who
reintroduced the Priesthood of Melchizedek, holding all the keys thereof, as
the special witness of his Father in heaven. Jesus had to be baptized by
John to fulfill all righteousness, though he was sinless (i.e., he obeyed
God in all things), so that in this case John the Baptist was the legal
administrator of that ordinance of baptism of Jesus.
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it
the people received the law,) what further need was there that another
priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after
the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change
also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of
which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses
spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of
Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the
power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of
Melchisedec.
(New Testament | Hebrews 7:11 - 17)
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy
priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus
Christ.
(New Testament | 1 Peter 2:5)
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a
peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath
called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
(New Testament | 1 Peter 2:9)
4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever
after the order of Melchizedek.
(Old Testament | Psalms 110:4)
Does the same Apostleship and the rest of the Holy Order of God exist on the
earth today, in these last days? If so, how did it come into existence
again? The Holy Ghost has borne record to me that the following are true, in
the name of Jesus Christ I bear witness:
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Raymond
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<FJEV8.81137$UT.55...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > > "Jong Kim" <rh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Aaron and I will be live for about an hour this morning, starting at
> 10
> > am
> > > > PST (Sat, July 6), speaking, mainly on the necessity of the
> Apostleship
> > for
> > > > salvation in the kingdom of heaven.
> >
> > Then I missed the post, but one thing I do know, is there is no need or
> > necessity for Apostleship for salvation, Jesus is the only one we need
to
> > get into the Kingdom of Heaven.
>
> I appreciate your sincere desire to serve the Lord. Yes, there is God and
> the Bible is true. There are some things I'd like to point out.
>
> 40 ś He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me
receiveth
> him that sent me.
> (New Testament | Matthew 10:40)
So are you personally thinking you are the one he is speaking about as be
the "receivedth me"? That can get one off the path to God real fast. There
is Jesus and the Bible is still true. Then I like to use that verse in Mat
10:40 and apply it to myself, if you think you can apply it to yourself, I
wonder where that would lead us?
>
> The Lord was speaking of the order of his Priesthood.
Who do you know that, the term preisthood was not used.
> Cornelius had an amazing vision of an angel of God, as recorded in Acts
10,
> so he was a prophet, but to be saved he still had to apply for baptism by
a
No he was not a prophet, he simply has a vision. Do you think a prophet is
not saved, he would be lost, if so, why would God make a unbeliever a
prophet? It seems you have not logical thought out your response.
> legal administrator of the kingdom of God, in Cornelius's case Peter the
> chief apostle. Acts 18 and 19 record that Apollos taught only the baptism
of
Peter was not the "chief apostle" if anyone could of been it would of been
James, the brother of Jesus, as James told Peter to be quite and sit down,
at the first church councils. That is also found in the Bible. It seems so
far you have to add to the bible to make your point, which only shows me,
you have errors and are trying to cover them up.
1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the
increase.
> John, but once the correct Gospel was taught him, he joined the Church of
> Jesus Christ.
There is no record of Apollo's baptizing using the baptism of John, not a
word in the bible says that, I just looked, up ever verse that Apollo's is
seen in. I am not sure I trust what you would call correct Gospel as so far
you have made three add-ons to the Bible and statements that are not in the
bible, as if they were.
> What power and authority did Jesus Christ have to establish the kingdom of
> God? It was the Apostleship, which holds the keys of the Melchizedek
> Priesthood. Only an apostle, upon revelation, can ordain bishops, for
> example.
Your mind is going on you, as this is not bible. "What power and authority
did Jesus Christ have" you sound like you think Jesus was just some other
guy, and was not God, so had to use men. The Apostles held no such keys,
as there was never such a set of keys, and you really should check out what
the bible says about Melchizedek, before making silly statements. An
Apostle doesn't need revelation to ordain anyone, he just lays hands on them
and does so, because he is an Apostle and in contact with God, he knows by
the gifts of the Spirit who is and who is not to be ordained. Your example
is wrong.
Acts 14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had
prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.
Acts 16:4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the
decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which
were at Jerusalem.
2 Timothy 4:22 The Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit. Grace be with you.
Amen. <<The second epistle unto Timotheus, ordained the first bishop of the
church of the Ephesians, was written from Rome, when Paul was brought before
Nero the second time.>>
> 1 WHEREFORE, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider
the
> Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
> (New Testament | Hebrews 3:1)
Which means what to you? Jesus is the High Priest as well as God. The
bible doesn't yell the "wherefore" you seem to have a problem if you see the
word "Apostle" you apply it to what every you want, out of context, it seems
not to matter to you. The main point is the word "consider" which gives the
option of freewill.
>
> 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the
> faith among all nations, for his name:
> (New Testament | Romans 1:5)
Which means, are you thinking you are in the "We have" you were not there,
and your were not the one he was addressing the message to. Paul was
talking about himself and his calling, and the calling of the Apostle, his
message was to them that were Not apostles.
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the
faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you
and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
JUST called to be saints. Not Apostles or any such apostleship.
> John the Baptist held all the keys of the Priesthood of Aaron, and he was
NO he did not! Give us that verse, you love to make it up, don't you?
> the gateway into the kingdom of God until the advent of Jesus Christ, who
> reintroduced the Priesthood of Melchizedek, holding all the keys thereof,
as
> the special witness of his Father in heaven. Jesus had to be baptized by
> John to fulfill all righteousness, though he was sinless (i.e., he obeyed
> God in all things), so that in this case John the Baptist was the legal
> administrator of that ordinance of baptism of Jesus.
We know John baptized Jesus, anyone could have done the same. John had
nothing to do with the ministry of Jesus, and even later asked for more
proof that Jesus was whom John believed he was. Which has not a thing to do
with keys, or Melchizedek or anyone else. He was no gateway, he was just a
preacher, doing his job, not a Bishop, not a Prophet, not a Apostle, just a
ordinary preacher, having a baptismal service which Jesus showed up for.
Be nice if you put a book, and chapter here before you quote Heb 7:11-17!
> 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under
it
> the people received the law,) what further need was there that another
> priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after
> the order of Aaron?
> 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change
> also of the law.
> 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of
> which no man gave attendance at the altar.
> 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe
Moses
> spake nothing concerning priesthood.
> 15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of
> Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
> 16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the
> power of an endless life.
> 17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of
> Melchisedec.
> (New Testament | Hebrews 7:11 - 17)
Heb 7:21-28 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an
oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art
a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to
continue by reason of death:
24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable
priesthood.
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto
God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled,
separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice,
first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once,
when he offered up himself.
28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word
of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for
evermore.
Which if you would look has nothing to do with Apostolicship. It has to do
with being a priest, which we find no KEYS of any kind found in any of these
verses, that shows us, you do not know fully what you are talking about.
>
> 5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy
> priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus
> Christ.
> (New Testament | 1 Peter 2:5)
Note: It is Christ Jesus not the Apostles that are doing the accepting here.
> 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a
> peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath
> called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
> (New Testament | 1 Peter 2:9)
Who is the "ye are a chosen generation" those he was address at that time,
or do you think other 2000 years later?
>
> 4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever
> after the order of Melchizedek.
> (Old Testament | Psalms 110:4)
If you need to pull out of context verses to make things appear like you
want, you do that, only Psalms is not talking about Apostles, or you or
today, It is address to a person back in that day.
Psalms 110:1 ś <<A Psalm of David.>> The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at
my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the
midst of thine enemies.
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of
holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever
after the order of Melchizedek.
5 ś The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his
wrath.
6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead
bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
>
> Does the same Apostleship and the rest of the Holy Order of God exist on
the
> earth today, in these last days? If so, how did it come into existence
> again? The Holy Ghost has borne record to me that the following are true,
in
> the name of Jesus Christ I bear witness:
Not the Apostleship that you made up, NO way, Are the Apostles today YES!
Do we need some Holy Order, then is not all orders from God HOLY? Then are
these the Last days, do you have a date? Even Jesus said he did not have a
date. Then if you are looking at your last days, as tomorrow will be
another last day and who knows a thousand years from now, it will also be to
them the last days, if Jesus waits that long. You sound like a Mormon LDS
with this foolishness that "I bear witness" they will tell you the same and
of the devil they are, and their false teachings with the two of them like
the bible says to preach two by two, will say "We bear witness" silly
people. I have drought that the Holy Ghost would made so many errors in
teaching as you have done here to be the true Holy Spirit of God. I have
no problem with you thinking you heard from the Holy Ghost, the LDS, cult
will say the same. Go to a good Bible school or Bible college and send
four years studying before you try to say what you bear witness to.
Raymond Knapp
www.pioneers-for-jesus.org
Jong Kim
Don't take offense at the scriptures that I am about to quote, Ray, because
I am not here to spam or to troll or to get into a religious war of words
with you or anyone else. I only seek to point out what the Bible says, in
the spirit of meekness and charity.
First of all, Matt. 10:40 "He that receiveth you receiveth me" refers
directly to receiving the apostles of Jesus Christ that were with him on
earth, Peter, Matthew, etc. But this order has not changed, for God does not
change. These are the last days in the name of the Lord I say, and God is
once again sending his prophets and apostles to his people sprinkled with
the blood of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, such as yourself. For North
America (Zion) and Jerusalem are the two choicest places reserved for the
two houses of Israel.
"... for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from
Jerusalem." Isaiah 2:3
"... to both the houses of Israel, ..." Isaiah 8:14
"... Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:" Hebrews 8:8
If I were not called by revelation through Art Bulla (who is the Lord's
anointed for this generation, even as Moses and Peter for theirs) and
ordained to the Priesthood of the Son of God to preach salvation and the
kingdom of God, then I'd making a serious mistake by preaching in the name
of the Lord. For it is written:
"Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will
not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain." Exodus 20:7
"And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God,
as was Aaron." Hebrews 5:4
>
> >
> > The Lord was speaking of the order of his Priesthood.
>
> Who do you know that, the term preisthood was not used.
These are some of the offices in the Priesthood, or the government of the
kingdom of God:
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists;
and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the
edifying of the body of Christ:
(New Testament | Ephesians 4:11 - 12)
Though prophet and pastor are general terms and not specific offices. There
are other offices, such as bishop and deacon (both belong to the Priesthood
of Aaron, also called Levitical), mentioned elsewhere in the Bible.
>
> > Cornelius had an amazing vision of an angel of God, as recorded in Acts
> 10,
> > so he was a prophet, but to be saved he still had to apply for baptism
by
> a
>
> No he was not a prophet, he simply has a vision.
Whether receiving the Holy Ghost before or after baptism, or receiving a
true vision from God, by dreams or other means (as did Cornelius before
baptism and as did Stephen the martyr after baptism), they are the same in
that any one of them constitute the Spirit of revelation, or direct
communication from God to man by the power of God's Spirit. It means that
Cornelius knew surely about that which was revealed to him by God and his
angel, not that he was revealed everything about God. For not even Moses was
revealed everything despite having seen God face to face, but it's true he
was revealed of God more than anyone else in ancient Israel.
"... for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Revelation
19:10
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had
said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith
the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I
write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
(New Testament | Hebrews 10:15 - 17)
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which
is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which
is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom
teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with
spiritual.
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 2:11 - 13)
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast
believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
(New Testament | John 20:29)
Such true believers are, because they received the Spirit of the Lord and
did obey him. This is the testimony of Jesus, which is the Spirit of
revelation. Peter did not truly understand that Jesus is the Christ until he
received a personal revelation by the Spirit, not by seeing the signs and
wonders that Jesus performed in front of the faithful. A man could see the
Red Sea split as did Korah and still not have a true testimony of the
Gospel. Because what is necessary is to be spiritually converted -- personal
revelation. And the signs follow them that believe, as I have been for
instance healed of a terrible nose malady by the laying on of Art Bulla's
hands on my head and his blessings. By the will and grace of God I was
permitted to be healed immediately as an additional witness of the truth. I
had previously been already converted by the Spirit that Art Bulla is sent
of God, while reading one of the written revelations received by him in
April 2000.
God sends prophets and apostles at critical times that have not only such
testimony but also have seen for themselves God, such as Moses, Isaiah,
Ezekiel, Paul, John the Revelator. In these the last days, one such prophet
has been raised up by God according to this ancient pattern: Art Bulla.
Please see his testimony and revelations received from the Lord and his
apostolic lineage in http://artbulla.com
Art Bulla is prophesied in the Bible, in fulfillment of this principle:
"Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his
servants the prophets." Amos 3:7
Where in the Bible, since this post is already too long, I will answer
another time and also they are found in artbulla.com
I have a witness of the Holy Ghost that what Art Bulla teaches is true and
that he is sent of Israel's God, just as Cornelius and his household were
revealed that Peter was sent of God:
"While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which
heard the word." Acts 10:44
In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
> Do you think a prophet is
> not saved, he would be lost, if so, why would God make a unbeliever a
> prophet? It seems you have not logical thought out your response.
Saul was wicked and unbelieving on the way to Damascus, when the Lord
converted him by his matchless power. The Lord had a purpose for Paul, to
appoint him to the Apostleship through the Lord's anointed Peter (Moses and
Samuel other examples), so that he might be sent with all the necessary
power and authority to preach God's word of salvation to the Gentiles of
Europe.
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye
should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that
whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
(New Testament | John 15:16)
Moreover, not all prophets are saved. Balaam, for instance, did his own will
contrary to the Spirit of revelation given him and perished, as recorded in
Numbers, for he loved money and the praise of men more than God, and as a
result he counseled against the children of Israel that had come out of
Egypt, even though the Holy Ghost expressly forbade him and he knew it.
"... ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, ..." Jude 1:11
>
> > legal administrator of the kingdom of God, in Cornelius's case Peter the
> > chief apostle. Acts 18 and 19 record that Apollos taught only the
baptism
> of
>
> Peter was not the "chief apostle" if anyone could of been it would of been
> James, the brother of Jesus, as James told Peter to be quite and sit down,
> at the first church councils. That is also found in the Bible. It seems
so
> far you have to add to the bible to make your point, which only shows me,
> you have errors and are trying to cover them up.
James the brother of Jesus Christ was not an apostle but the bishop of
Jerusalem. Peter was the Lord's anointed after the crucifixion of Jesus
Christ. Peter was not only an apostle but also the Lord's anointed after the
Lord Jesus had left this mortal scene.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the
living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona:
for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is
in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will
build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and
whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever
thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
(New Testament | Matthew 16:15 - 19)
>
> 1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the
> increase.
This means God uses his apostles (as well as other priests), such as Paul
and Apollos, as an instrument in his hand to bring salvation to anyone that
believes in his name and do accordingly.
>
> > John, but once the correct Gospel was taught him, he joined the Church
of
> > Jesus Christ.
>
> There is no record of Apollo's baptizing using the baptism of John, not a
> word in the bible says that, I just looked, up ever verse that Apollo's is
> seen in.
I think you missed the s in Apollos.
24 ś And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man,
and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the
spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only
the baptism of John.
26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and
Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way
of God more perfectly.
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote,
exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them
much which had believed through grace:
28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the
scriptures that Jesus was Christ.
(New Testament | Acts 18:24 - 28)
> I am not sure I trust what you would call correct Gospel as so far
> you have made three add-ons to the Bible and statements that are not in
the
> bible, as if they were.
Can you clearly point them out?
>
> > What power and authority did Jesus Christ have to establish the kingdom
of
> > God? It was the Apostleship, which holds the keys of the Melchizedek
> > Priesthood. Only an apostle, upon revelation, can ordain bishops, for
> > example.
>
> Your mind is going on you, as this is not bible.
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists;
and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the
edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the
Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the
fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried
about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning
craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
(New Testament | Ephesians 4:11 - 14)
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
(New Testament | Ephesians 4:5)
I'll answer the rest next time.
Jong Kim
http://www.artbulla.com
Raymond
> > > 40 ś He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me
> > receiveth
> > > him that sent me.
> > > (New Testament | Matthew 10:40)
> >
> > So are you personally thinking you are the one he is speaking about as
be
> > the "receivedth me"? That can get one off the path to God real fast.
> There
> > is Jesus and the Bible is still true. Then I like to use that verse in
> Mat
> > 10:40 and apply it to myself, if you think you can apply it to yourself,
I
> > wonder where that would lead us?
>
> Don't take offense at the scriptures that I am about to quote, Ray,
because
> I am not here to spam or to troll or to get into a religious war of words
> with you or anyone else. I only seek to point out what the Bible says, in
> the spirit of meekness and charity.
I see, you will not reply to the verse if you apply it to yourself, I do see
that, as the works of a troll. You take yourselve much too sererely, as you
will not, or can not start a religious war of words since for one you will
not even reply to a simple question when asked. You imagain you speak in
meekness and charity, but your not, when it seems you did take offence, by
not replying to the statement.
>
> First of all, Matt. 10:40 "He that receiveth you receiveth me" refers
> directly to receiving the apostles of Jesus Christ that were with him on
> earth, Peter, Matthew, etc. But this order has not changed, for God does
not
> change. These are the last days in the name of the Lord I say, and God is
> once again sending his prophets and apostles to his people sprinkled with
> the blood of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, such as yourself. For North
Sprinkled with who's blood? Blood of Abraham, he never gave any blood
nether did Isaac or Jacob, you seem to know so little about the Bible, I
dare say your trying to SPAM us here. Then the Lord would never say such,
or tell anyone to say such, as only the Blood of Jesus is acceptable. Then
you really don't seem to understand what you are saying. I don't want any
blood of Abraham, Isaac or Jacob, since I sure you could not find any, they
been dead for 4000 years. So it is time to come back to reality and facts,
not make it up as you go.
> America (Zion) and Jerusalem are the two choicest places reserved for the
> two houses of Israel.
There is no such place as American (Zion) are you not from America, as you
don't even seem to know what the terms you are saying mean. What part of
the America, are you talking about? North, center, or south America?
>
> "... for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from
> Jerusalem." Isaiah 2:3
YOUR about 4000 years late! Zion and Jerusalem are one and the same, both
names apply to Jerusalem.
>
> "... to both the houses of Israel, ..." Isaiah 8:14
13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let
him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a
rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to
the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be
snared, and be taken.
> "... Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new
covenant
> with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:" Hebrews 8:8
You forgot to read on, as to find the meaning of this, before and after
verses, as in Hebrews 9:8 ś The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way
into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first
tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both
gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect,
as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal
ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a
greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say,
not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he
entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for
us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer
sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit
offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works
to serve the living God?
15 ś And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by
means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the
first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal
inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of
the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no
strength at all while the testator liveth.
>
> If I were not called by revelation through Art Bulla (who is the Lord's
You were not called by revelation unless your Art Bulla is the devil
himself, it sure is not the LORD God, who is JESUS CHRIST!
> anointed for this generation, even as Moses and Peter for theirs) and
> ordained to the Priesthood of the Son of God to preach salvation and the
> kingdom of God, then I'd making a serious mistake by preaching in the name
> of the Lord. For it is written:
You are not ordained to any Priesthood and seem not to know whom the LORD
is, or the Son of God the Bible preachs, You are making a serious mistake,
then the name of your Lord, as you put it is not Jesus Christ but "ART
BULLA" like the Buddhist call Budda Lord, and others Lord this or that,
doesn't mean it is of God or truth.
>
> "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD
will
> not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain." Exodus 20:7
Which you just did!
>
> "And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God,
> as was Aaron." Hebrews 5:4
So why are you trying to do so? Your not Aaron your not even serving the
right God it would seem. Why do you use the Bible when your Art Bulla is not
part of it. > > >
> > > The Lord was speaking of the order of his Priesthood.
> >
> > Who do you know that, the term preisthood was not used.
>
> These are some of the offices in the Priesthood, or the government of the
> kingdom of God:
>
> 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists;
> and some, pastors and teachers;
> 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for
the
> edifying of the body of Christ:
> (New Testament | Ephesians 4:11 - 12)
Do you see a Priesthood meantion in those verses, no not a word. To the
Church he gave these people.
>
> Though prophet and pastor are general terms and not specific offices.
There
You seem not to be able to read very well, when you just showed in the
verses above that the PASTOR and the PROPHET are both ministrys of the five
fold ministy and there it nothing general about them. You make it up, as
you go, you deny the Bible and what it says, put your own words in and such,
showing your not called of God, but some false spirit, if you have any
calling at all.
> are other offices, such as bishop and deacon (both belong to the
Priesthood
> of Aaron, also called Levitical), mentioned elsewhere in the Bible.
Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for
under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that
another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called
after the order of Aaron?
NOW we see the "order of Aaron" which the "levitical priesthood" is not
called by. Then Jesus was the other Priest that did rise after the order
of Melchisedec. Which has nothing to do with Bishops or deacons, and no
where is Araon called Levitical in all the Bible. The only verse that has
even the name Levitical is found in Hebrews 7:11 which Paul is using to show
Jesus came, and he Jesus was the answer they the Jews were waiting for. Not
the year 2002 and not Bishops and such, but JESUS.
[snip getting silly now]
> 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast
> believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
> (New Testament | John 20:29)
>
> Such true believers are, because they received the Spirit of the Lord and
> did obey him. This is the testimony of Jesus, which is the Spirit of
> revelation. Peter did not truly understand that Jesus is the Christ until
he
> received a personal revelation by the Spirit, not by seeing the signs and
> wonders that Jesus performed in front of the faithful. A man could see the
> Red Sea split as did Korah and still not have a true testimony of the
> Gospel. Because what is necessary is to be spiritually converted --
personal
> revelation. And the signs follow them that believe, as I have been for
> instance healed of a terrible nose malady by the laying on of Art Bulla's
> hands on my head and his blessings. By the will and grace of God I was
Then foul spirit in you come out, to insult God and Christ with false Gods
is sin. Your Art Bulla is fake, a false spirit.
> permitted to be healed immediately as an additional witness of the truth.
I
> had previously been already converted by the Spirit that Art Bulla is sent
> of God, while reading one of the written revelations received by him in
> April 2000.
Garbage! I seen thousands of Healings and mericals in the past 42 years
done in the Name of the Jesus Christ, and know what is true and what is
false and not of God. The Spirit in you is like the spirit in the Mormons
the LDS a lie, from the devil. Which the bible says will come and try to
decieve many, your Art Bulla only proves the end is near, and the LORD Jesus
will come again.
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Acts 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in
the prophets;
Philippians 3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the
concision.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain
deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and
not after Christ.
2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before,
beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from
your own stedfastness.
> I'll answer the rest next time.
YOU do not have the answers you follow a false god.
Even the Devil, Satan knows the Bible and used it when he tried to temp
Jesus to bow to him, so it is not suprise that you would try the same tack.
The Above verses warn the Church that you kind would come.
Raymond
>
> Jong Kim
Jong Kim
I see that you are not interested in a serious Gospel discussion. Therefore,
though I grieve for your soul, I must sadly withdraw from this discussion,
for I will not be drawn into mudslinging. We'll continue when you are ready
to reason it out, as I know you can.
Fear God, and give glory to him. Worship him that made heaven and earth.
Jong Kim
http://artbulla.com
Phar-Lap
"Jong Kim" <rh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I see that you are not interested in a serious Gospel discussion.
Who with ?- Obviously not you!
. We'll continue when you are ready
> to reason it out, as I know you can.
>
And as I fear you never will be
You have the religioius authority of a busted tea urn
Phar-Lap
> the spirit of meekness and charity.
>
> If I were not called by revelation through Art Bulla (who is the Lord's
> anointed for this generation, even as Moses and Peter for theirs) and
> ordained to the Priesthood of the Son of God to preach salvation and the
> kingdom of God, then I'd making a serious mistake by preaching in the name
> of the Lord.
You are so humble!!!
So meek
So full of the spirit of charity
Ptah!
Raymond
You can run a search this Art Bulla, his pictures he post look like J. Smith
and the three angels anointing him, and so on, LDS stuff. Then if you read
some of his stuff, he posted so you can find them, he puts his name into
what the Bible says about anointing people, and so they sound like Bible, as
they are, only the name has been changed to his. One of his writings say
Adam was God! So I suppose being a human makes him a God, then the Mormons
write when they die, they will live on as a god. The Bible says such will
come, saying they are in the name of the Lord, and the Lord will say I know
you not.
I like that "Ptah!"
Raymond
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and
shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they
shall deceive the very elect.
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew
signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did
their fathers to the false prophets.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as
there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable
heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves
swift destruction.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether
they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
> > not after Christ.
> > 2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before,
> > beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall
> from
> > your own stedfastness.
> > > I'll answer the rest next time.
> >
> > YOU do not have the answers you follow a false god.
> >
> > Even the Devil, Satan knows the Bible and used it when he tried to temp
> > Jesus to bow to him, so it is not suprise that you would try the same
> tack.
> > The Above verses warn the Church that you kind would come.
> >
> > Raymond
>
> I see that you are not interested in a serious Gospel discussion.
Therefore,
I [snip out most of the above as you seem to like to read what you said
before, without replying to them point by point]
Which is a clear point that YOU ARE NOT interested in a serious discussion,
which by the way is NOT GOSPEL since you follow false teachers. If you want
Gospel that would be nice. Then to put this little nothing at the end,
showing you did not reply, is lunacy.
> though I grieve for your soul, I must sadly withdraw from this discussion,
You can grieve to your blue in the face, Satan and false teachers will never
get my soul, as my Soul belongs to JESUS CHRIST, MY LORD and my GOD, as
Thomas would of said it. You and your false teacher Mr. Art Bulla will not
get my soul. That is for sure, and If I have anything to do with it, I not
let you get away with such a mixed of lies, and twised out of context bible
verses.
> for I will not be drawn into mudslinging. We'll continue when you are
ready
> to reason it out, as I know you can.
Then it seems you mudsling Jesus, and such, but just can stand the mud when
it is tossed back in your face and false teachings. I will be not stand and
let you mud sling Jesus and the Gospel of my Lord, no way, duck fellow, as
what you toss out will come back and with what shath the LORD. You will
never continue, as you afforded answering or proving any thing I said was
not correct, so you and your lies, and may believe will never stand. You
are ignorant if you think you Know I can, I have done that already, but you
reject the Bible, you reject God, and your false leader was so stupid he
posted his writings on the internet which I just so happen to seem some. So
do you also see your god as ADAM???? He wrote he did. I have NEWS for
you, MY GOD made ADAM, which doesn't say much for your false teachings or
leader. Mr. Sun Moon does the Same, cults do show up, and will till Jesus
comes. false lying spirits in mankind will try for the souls and will
"grieve for the souls" but as long as we have Pastors that will stand up for
Jesus, you will not get the souls of the Children of God that are in Christ
Jesus. I am aways read to reason, but to accept satan and his lies, never.
My reason is that you need to repent and turn from false prophects and
accept the God of the Bible and Jesus Christ as you LORD and Saviour, be
baptized in Jesus name as Peter showed in Acts chapter two, and recieve the
Holy Spirit of God, and turn from false teachings and such. 2 Peter 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking
after their own lusts,
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and
shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they
shall deceive the very elect.
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew
signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did
their fathers to the false prophets.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as
there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable
heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves
swift destruction.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether
they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
> Fear God, and give glory to him. Worship him that made heaven and earth.
Was His name ADAM since Art Bulla wrote about the matter and said God was
Adam. You man god will never do, Fear Jesus, and give JESUS glory and you
may have something. Till then your false teachings have been prophesied to
come, and you fit into the above verses.
Raymond
>
> Jong Kim
Raymond
" Phar-Lap" <grandn...@aintree.com> wrote in message
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Phar-Lap
wrote:
> You know for once I have to agree with your conclusions on this guy.
I think it comes down to the fact that argue as we will, there is probably
more that unites us as people than divides us
Have a good day
Phar Lap
Phar-Lap
wrote:
Should that be LSD rather than LDS?
Raymond
Well could be on LDS to think he is such and such, then you are correct I
suppose Mormon would of been better to use.