Katie's Official Annual Report on the TRCM CULT
Katie
Something I've been wanting to mention but haven't had the time:
I had my expected bi-annual visit by a Jehovah's Witness a few weeks ago. They must be shrinking
ranks because of the unprecedented presence of a single proseletyzer in the form of a very
attractive young woman who later mentioned her age to be 19.
She arrived while I was busy, so I started to just blow her off per usual by telling her that I'm
not a believer, no thanks and goodbye, but I couldn't close the door without commenting to her
that she might want to consider the wisdom of remaining in a Cult that is known to harbor
mysogenists, pedophiles, rapists, woman and child abusers of the worst kind. I asked her who
she could go to if anyone tried to hurt her, and the poor thing's eyes got so huge I thought they
would pop out of her head. She was speechless and shaking, and I'm still left wondering if I
didn't hit a nerve, so I persisted in mentioning to her that she could go online and read about
the experiences of countless ex-JW's who'd been abused and then worse after reporting it to the
Elders.
We only spoke for a few minutes, as clearly what I was saying was terrifying and extremely
upsetting to this young woman, or maybe it was the fact that she couldn't answer the question,
"Who could you go to who would help you if anyone tried to hurt you?" I don't know, but I'm
glad I said what I did, as the Truth will set us free, and it is a sad truth that JW's are a
Destructive CULT that harbors and protects predators of all descriptions, just the same as all
Destructive Cults, just like this little creepy one, here known as TRCM. I was sorry to see her
so upset, but not as sorry as I am when I think of how much abuse is perpetrated unconstrained
under the guise of "Religion" or "Speeeeeeeeeeeritchuality", and this lovely young person was as
ripe for the plucking as anyone ever could be.
I had to think of someone approaching one of the Self-Proclaimed "Elders" of this group, like
Holey Nancy Lorieau, or Queenie Lee Flynn, for support, guidance, or help in handling an abusive
interaction with someone well-known for the practice, like Alan, or the Ugly Clown, maz, either
of the predatory Debs, or any of the public perpetrators who flourish and populate this foul
corner of the internet.
How could anyone of you Perps serve to protect or defend anyone who is being harmed here by
another? The Fact is that you can't, don't, won't and haven't. We've seen countless abuses
here go unaddressed in any appropriate or effective manner that would benefit the abused.
If you get right down to it, according to the Cult Mythology as Co-Authored by Queen Lee Flynn
and Holey Nancy Lorieau, and gleefully owned and elaborated upon by all Culties Who Wish to
Remain in Good Standing, I am a mentally disturbed, pathetic, sad, emotionally devastated,
abandoned, friendless, out of control psychotic in desperate need of psychiatric care. Let's
examine that theory and the resultant behavior on the part of the Diagnosticians and their
Minions for some hint as to how a weakness, illness, needyness, or helplessness is addressed by
this CULT, as led and incited by the above stated Co-Indoctrinators and Inciters. How are my much
reported problems addressed? Let's see, does anyone need reminding? Is the message here that
the mentally disturbed and desperate need their personal details posted all over the internet,
their families and friends identities constantly mentioned and repeated in publicly stated hopes
of blackmailing them into punishing me? Packages, cards letters and phone calls with insulting
messages are delivered to properties which are in my name, those projects are smirkingly reported
here in public so everyone else can have a good smirk too, and then justify the behavior by
accusing me of having done the same, despite the failure to produce any evidence that I have, and
the FACT that there is none, since I have not?
According to your own Cult Lore, one crazy, sad, pathetic, emotionally and mentally disturbed
individual comes into your midst to criticize and mock you, so their every post is followed by
insults, accusations, and incitements to harm said person? This is how emotional or mental
problems are addressed by you, the Speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeritchual, and Specially Designated by Jesus
to Bring About World Peace?
Um......give me a break. It's truly a damned good thing that I'm not vulnerable or unaware of
what is really going on here, as sadly, the majority, but a shrinking one happens to be, or it is
highly likely that your CULT strategies would have done some serious harm, isn't it? Especially
considering that doing so is the CLEAR AND EVIDENT goal here. None of you Assholeys are
interested in anything but to PUNISH and HARM anyone who doesn't buy into your Idiotic Delusions
and Silly Superstitions, so much so that you put your own well-being and comfort on hold in order
to do so.
None of this is about ME, it's about each of you who indulges yourself in the CULT sport of
Inflicting Harm on others, and that would be every last one of you who claims to be an ACIM
Student and a defender of TRCM as being just a discussion group where nice normal people come to
share happy and uplifiting beliefs and visions for humanity. Cough, cough, cough, cough. That
one is big enough to choke King Kong's Big Uncle Brutus, I can't think why you expect anyone else
to swallow it, other than that you are full of contempt and hatred and don't give a crap about
the Truth. Inflicting Harm is the SOLE and ONLY activity which is practiced here RELIGIOUSLY and
with appropriate Fervor. Not a day goes by that heroic attempts are not made to that end, and
that is an undisputable FACT, and it matters not who is the subject of the campaigns, as long as
it's SOMEONE.
All of which begs the real question, which is what has, does, and will continue to happen to
anyone who has the misfortune to happen upon any of you in a moment of need or vulnerability?
Or let's address the even bigger issue of why the vast majority of you here, if not all of you
practice predatory methods in order to lure the mindless, hapless, vulnerable, and unaware into
your Circle of Abuse, where there has never once been an instance of decency or appropriateness
of interaction between anyone, including and especially among you dedicated Culties?
The FACT is that this group is a Pit of Vipers, hissing and swaying in constant and near
hysterical NEED of someone to sink your fangs into, and that's ALL this group ever was, is, or
ever will be by all indications.
It's also a FACT that every one of you sad, self-serving, mindless CULTIES will do everything in
your power to discredit anyone who Could or Would be able to offer meaningful, tangible,
assistance or support to an abuse victim and instead do your damndest to suck them into your sick
web of useless Specialness just to make yourself feel Special, which is probably what originally
happened to most of you and landed you into the sick and soul sucking state you're in right now,
come to think of it.
Of Curse, none of this is news, but that beautiful, innocent, hapless, helpless young JW woman's
plight as a member of another DESTRUCTIVE RELIGIOUS CULT operating under claims of False
Authority by claiming Special Status with God, exercising Undue Influence with false claims of
Special Interactions with God, and Coersions by false claims of Special Instructions from God got
my blood boiling, and inspired me to update my definitive evaluation of this Vile Cult for the
public record.
I sincerely hope you all suffer sudden brain seizures that render you harmless, so you can spend
the rest of your lives sitting unattended in your own shit where you belong, but alas, it doesn't
seem that there really is any God up in the Sky issuing rewards and punishments on the basis of
any recognizable form of Justice, so I guess we'll just have to keep dancing the dance and see
who falls down first, huh, you Sleazy Culties?
Jimbo
"Katie" wrote ...
Bravo Katie... :)
Speaking as a parent (and grandparent), it is a wonderful service that you
open eyes to caution..., and use your heartfelt compassion openly.
I can only hope that when my youngest daugther leaves the nest..., that if
her own intuition and guidance is clouded in confusion..., that a Katie...
or waking spirit opens her eyes... :)
Blessings to you..., for you are a Blessing!
Jim
Katie
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh, isn't that nice of you, Jimbo?
Your sincerity and honesty shine through.
One is so impressed as to almost forget to ask you what you get out of
being a self-serving hypocrite? Clearly you know it's not a nice
thing to be, or you wouldn't take such devious if transparent measures
to attempt to appear otherwise.
Kindly keep your "blessings" to yourself, as I do not recognize or
acknowledge you as being ordained by God to intervene on my behalf or
to make deliveries of items that require no earthly conveyance.
I'm quite sure that you would not thank me to open your daughter's
eyes to the fact that her father is a predator and a fraud. If she
manages to maintain anything of her own identity and dignity despite
your undue influence and abuse of authority, I'm sure she'll figure it
out for herself, however. It really doesn't require one to be a
genius in order to see through this Sad
"Speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeritchual" Act.
People who pander, fawn, and flatter in order to deceive, manipulate,
use, and abuse are SCUM, Jimbo. Tattoo that word to your forehead, and
think of it as my return "blessing", since you'd like me to believe
you take such things seriously.
kena...@webtv.net
~~Now Katie, what could be more important
than blowing fire and brimestone out of
every opening in your body, sprewing it
all over this group?
= = =
Katie again:
>>>None of this is about ME,
~~Yes it is. You live in denial; but rest
assured that every word is about YOU.
With a copy of this post in hand, your
husband shouldn't have any problem
finding a judge who will sign
the necessary papers to get you
off the streets for awhile. Obviously,
the time is at hand.
Carrie
> Apr 13, 2007, 12:21pm From: cosf...@yahoo.com (Katie)
Does this mean that every word you write here is about YOU?
And, does that apply to others who post here?
What you wrote almost sounds like you are going to contact Katie's
husband and make sure he does it, in a way it sounds like a threat.
Maybe you didn't mean it that way, and if everyone's posts here
about themself (the author of them) the need to get someone "off the
streets" would apply to YOU?
And you live in denial, so you don't see it?
mr bill
:)
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Elizabeth Nicole Wagoner (Libby)
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
2 Sept 1995 - 28 Mar 2006
"Katie" <cos...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Doug Thompson
is a newsgroup) is a "cult" (how can a newsgroup be a cult) and the
completely unsubstantiated accusation that 19 year old women are at risk of
sexual abuse by participating in TRCM. That's a strong accusation. Is
there any evidence to support it?
The blessing is that Katie's pyrotechnical imagination takes her light years
away from anything which anyone else would define as "real" so we can see
what fear has done to what used to be called her mind.
She meets a young Jeho, she throws questions the youth has not been trained
to deal with, unsubstantiated allegations, accusations of abuse which have
no basis in fact, and the youth is rattled. Who wouldn't be! This proves
that everyone on TRCM is a sex-abuser.
Now I dunno if you have to be a university graduate and have studied
philosophy to notice that this is a rather gross "non-sequitur" ... but I
sure as hell hope that some who haven't studied philosophy can notice that
Katie's story makes no logical sense AT ALL and represents projection and
the worst form of smearing people. There is an insinuation of abuse, there
is no evidence of it, in the Jehovah's Witnesses Denomination. But if JW is
like other Christian denominations, there is probably some evidence. I mean
someone, at some time, was abused by a sick clergyperson in every
denomination.
Then we are told that TRCM is ... such a dangerous environment.
This is no different than saying that because there was a priest in Boston
who diddled little boys, every male participant of soc.culture.motorcycles
is at risk! The proof? The priest in question drove a motorcycle!
A naive 19 year old female Jeho is presented with absurd, ridiculous
accusations and her eyes go wide ... which proves they are true, right?
She's speechless, she knows not how to respond!
So if she'd been told by Katie that her denomination was into cannibalism
and they were going to have her for supper next week ... would anyone expect
the young lady in question to react differently? Or with more utter
amazement?
Go figure eh? They try to coach the missionaries on how to deal with the
common kinds of issues that arise, but Katie Volmer isn't a common kind of
issue and her creative vilifications are beyond what anyone can prepare for!
Projection makes perception.
we need to leave our brains switched to the "on" position
--
---
Doug Thompson
dthomp74@hotmail. (dot) com
http://ca.geocities.com/dthomp74ca
http://www.execulink.com/~dthomp75/2007
"Jimbo" <List...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Deborah
This is a remarkable switch from the perspective you offered me not
long ago when I complained that Katie was dominating the ng. Backed
up with stats from Google Groups. Is there truly nothing that can
be done about her totally inappropriate presence here?
Deborah (BC)
Stephen Calder
> There's a blessing here Jim ... in the false accusation that "TRCM" (which
> is a newsgroup) is a "cult" (how can a newsgroup be a cult) and the
> completely unsubstantiated accusation that 19 year old women are at risk of
> sexual abuse by participating in TRCM. That's a strong accusation. Is
> there any evidence to support it?
>
> The blessing is that Katie's pyrotechnical imagination takes her light years
> away from anything which anyone else would define as "real" so we can see
> what fear has done to what used to be called her mind.
None of this is happening. She is fully awake, fixed in the heart of
peace, part of the mind of God, with me in the heavenly kingdom, a
perfect creation of God in full communion with him.
That's the "love" position isn't it? The one that is marked "teach only
love, for that is what you are" And "when you want only love you will
see nothing else."
--
Stephen
Ballina, Australia
Jimbo
"Doug Thompson" wrote ...
lol...
I know what you mean... and understand where your coming from in the logical
conclusion of projection.
When i first read Katie's response to me..., i must admit that my energy
level dropped, i momentarily associated myself to this level of
thought/energy... lol, and actually had to sit back a moment... and
recollect... or reestablish myself in His Presence....
It is interesting how easily we can get sucked into the lower energy..., but
in our full awareness of our energy level (which comes strongly into
awareness when lowered), we can quickly rise back to a very peaceful
state... :)
I have to run now...,
Take care Doug :)
Jim
kena...@webtv.net
(EDT-3) From: starch...@yahoo.com (Carrie)
Hi Carrie
Thanks for sharing your opinion and giving
mine all the meaning it has for you.
Several other posters have added their
perceptions concerning Katie's behavior.
I look forward to reading your critique of
each of their messages.
Namaste'
Kay
Carrie
Wouldn't this also apply to you and how YOU see this newsgroup?
You've never, that I know of, written on here as a 19 year old
girl (or older woman, for that matter).
If what you believe, and how you see this newsgroup is valid,
than seems like how everyone else believes it and sees it would be,
too.
I don't see how one person can decide what is projection and
perception for someone else. The course says " I AM responsible for
what I see".
This must also include what I see "someone else" as seeing.
> we need to leave our brains switched to the "on" position
I see it the opposite. Too much "brains" and figuring
things out- thinking here and not enough Right Mind/Spirit,
remembering and trusting.
> --
> ---
Tom
how to deal with the common kinds of issues that arise, but Katie
Volmer isn't a common kind of issue and her creative vilifications are
beyond what anyone can prepare for! Projection makes perception."
Carrie "Wouldn't this also apply to you and how YOU see this
newsgroup? . . . ."
~ I'm sure everyone understands that Doug is expressing his point of
view. It should be obvious that's what he is doing.
Lee
What an excellent description of that momentary dis-spiriting
impact of inflamed words, directed with such astonishing venom..
verbal fireballs fashioned just for you - LOL - from some
unfathomably distorted perspective and purpose. And a heartful
description as well, of how bringing *awareness* to one's energy
state can quickly identify the nature of the negativity and allow
one to "recollect... or reestablish" reasonable perspective.
I love it, Jim. Welcome to the nearest thing this n.g. offers to
a firewalking initiation. :)) It's not pleasant to tread through
such emotionally inflamed distortion -- but it turns out to be
far from painful! And surprisingly instructive!
All that we can do for Katie and her emotional distress, imo,
is to wish her well.. and perhaps hope that she with severe
grievance and betrayal issues obsessively 'participates' on a
miracle & forgiveness list for reasons that will later prove
fortuitous and kind.
Wouldn't surprise me a bit!
~ Lee
Adrian
>
> but I couldn't close the door without commenting to her
> that she might want to consider the wisdom of remaining in a Cult that is known to harbor
> mysogenists, pedophiles, rapists, woman and child abusers of the worst kind. I asked her who
> she could go to if anyone tried to hurt her, and the poor thing's eyes got so huge I thought they
> would pop out of her head.
>
Poor Kid.
You really nailed her arse to the wall.
You know of course like many things, there is a gene that predisposes
people who have it, to believe in G*d. Just google "God Gene" for lots
of links. IMO it's rather rude to offend these people for something
that is written into their DNA, and so effectively have no say in.
>
> How could anyone of you Perps serve to protect or defend anyone who is being harmed here by
> another? The Fact is that you can't, don't, won't and haven't. We've seen countless abuses
> here go unaddressed in any appropriate or effective manner that would benefit the abused.
>
Btw, what's a "Perp"?
But anyway, IMO, considering you Katie like to play at being one of the
primary offenders, this statement, as does a lot of what you post, comes
across as rather ironic.
> discredit anyone who Could or Would be able to offer meaningful, tangible,
> assistance or support to an abuse victim
Are you saying that you could offer these things? I may have missed it,
but I have yet to see you do this for someone here. "Hello pot?, this
is the kettle." ;-)
PS. Your spelling is shocking, you should use a spell checker before you
post. It's harbour not harbor, and it's paedophiles not pedophiles. :-)
-Toodles
Lee
From: "Tom" <tom...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Katie's Official Annual Report ...
Date: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:38 AM
Hi Tom
Your clock needs some attention.
'Working on anything interesting?
How's that distribution of Scattered
doing for you? Did they work out the
payment kinks that Deborah turned up?
Was that a lulu distribution?
~ Lee
Tom
> but I couldn't close the door without commenting to her
> that she might want to consider the wisdom of remaining in a Cult
that is known to harbor mysogenists, pedophiles, rapists, woman and
child abusers of the worst kind. I asked her who
> she could go to if anyone tried to hurt her, and the poor thing's
eyes got so huge I thought they would pop out of her head.
>
Adrian "Poor Kid. You really nailed her arse to the wall. . . . ."
~ Here in the States most people of my generation know Paul Harvey, a
well-known radio commentator.
~ He is famous for telling "the rest of the story." Listening to him
is a great way to experience a sudden shift in perception, as he first
tells a little story that leads your thinking in one direction, and
then announces "now to page two!," when he fills in the blanks and
provides the "rest of the story," which invariably paints an entirely
different picture.
~ Now, in this case, the "rest of the story" is how the young
Jehovah's Witness actually perceived Katie.
~ I bet it was quite different from how Katie imagined it.
Tom
~ Thanks. Every time I change boot partitions, it forgets we're on
daylight savings time.
Lee "Working on anything interesting?"
~ Learning PHP and MySQL. I aim to set up a user submitted, or
volunteer edited, acim link directory. It's too much hassle keeping
up with it manually.
Lee "How's that distribution of Scattered
doing for you?"
~ I haven't even looked recently. It was mainly a test to see how
Lulu worked with something I already had on hand.
Lee "Did they work out the payment kinks that Deborah turned up?"
~ I think it was a geography problem. Most of what Lulu does involves
the shipment of a physical product (printed book, CD, etc.), Their
focus in not on digital goods. There are many other ways to do that.
~ Since Lulu ships only to US customers at present, it's my guess that
they intentionally block purchases from non-US customers.
Adrian
> hatie katie, a walking talking advertisement for birth control.
> :)
>
-TP
Adrian
Hi Tom.
Thanks for the link, it sounds really interesting.
I will have a listen tomorrow, as it's gone 2am here and I really must
go to bed.
I'm not sure I'd like to come face to face with our Katie myself. :-)\
All the best mate.
-Adrian
mr bill
just recently i had her blocked, and it was like she did not even exist. i
unblocked her just to see if she had improved her act, but she is just as
dull and boring as she has always been. i think i will keep her unblocked
for a while just to see how insane she really is.
an alternative to that could be for someone to formally file charges against
her and see where that goes.
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Bill & Lindsay Wagoner - Parents
Elizabeth Nicole Wagoner (Libby)
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
2 Sept 1995 - 28 Mar 2006
"Deborah" <deb...@noemail.com> wrote in message
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mr bill
they apply only to you.
:)
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Bill & Lindsay Wagoner - Parents
Elizabeth Nicole Wagoner (Libby)
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
2 Sept 1995 - 28 Mar 2006
"Carrie" <starch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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mr bill
:)
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Bill & Lindsay Wagoner - Parents
Elizabeth Nicole Wagoner (Libby)
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
2 Sept 1995 - 28 Mar 2006
"Adrian" <n...@allbloodylikely.oldmate> wrote in message
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mr bill
confrontation with those she hates. for her it has been safe and cosy
tearing at people from the comfort of her computer at home. fortunately for
those she has tried to destroy, the law is beginning to catch up with her.
eventually she will step over the line one to many times, and someone will
have her hauled into court and brought up on formal charges.
:)
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Bill & Lindsay Wagoner - Parents
Elizabeth Nicole Wagoner (Libby)
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
2 Sept 1995 - 28 Mar 2006
"Adrian" <n...@allbloodylikely.oldmate> wrote in message
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mr bill
about herself. attacking others is what katie does to feel good about
herself.
she is a good example of evil intent.
:)
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Bill & Lindsay Wagoner - Parents
Elizabeth Nicole Wagoner (Libby)
Always and Forever
Our Baby Girl
2 Sept 1995 - 28 Mar 2006
"Tom" <tom...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Carrie
> do you ever ask yourself the questions you pummel others with?
>
> they apply only to you.
> :)
>
Pummel?
Seems like asking questions and giving opinons (which Tom has pointed
out is what Doug was doing with his "projection makes perception")
would be what, or part of what a discussion groups is about and for.
If the questions I pummel others with apply only to me, then what
others say (or ask) would apply only to them, too.
I was going to say "wouldn't it?" But, I never intend to, or plan
to "pummel" anyone.
I should probably thank you for pointing that out, along with
everyone else here who lets me know how I'm coming across to them.
I could say "projection makes perception" but this would probably
mean something different when I write it, than when Doug or others do.
Stephen Calder
It's all working. You guys are great.
--
Stephen
Ballina, Australia
Lee
> Lee "Your clock needs some attention."
>
> ~ Thanks. Every time I change boot partitions, it forgets we're on
> daylight savings time.
>
> Lee "Working on anything interesting?"
>
> ~ Learning PHP and MySQL. I aim to set up a user submitted, or
> volunteer edited, acim link directory. It's too much hassle keeping
> up with it manually.
Is that easier than using some version of a wiki?
>
> Lee "How's that distribution of Scattered
> doing for you?"
>
> ~ I haven't even looked recently. It was mainly a test to see how
> Lulu worked with something I already had on hand.
Lulu's an interesting concept. I hope you'll share what
you find, if you come across other more novel approaches
to distribution/compensation. Also I hope you'll drop a
note if Lulu turns out to be one to avoid, for the time being.
>
> Lee "Did they work out the payment kinks that Deborah turned up?"
>
> ~ I think it was a geography problem. Most of what Lulu does involves
> the shipment of a physical product (printed book, CD, etc.), Their
> focus in not on digital goods. There are many other ways to do that.
>
> ~ Since Lulu ships only to US customers at present, it's my guess that
> they intentionally block purchases from non-US customers.
I hadn't thought of the Canadian thing.. makes sense. I suppose
I'm a little surprised to learn that there's more work to be done
in making smallish electronic payments feasible, between countries.
Paying my Skype fee recently tested my patience, despite its
enormous popularity.. Tried repeatedly for a week straight,
with credit card pages hanging endlessly, before resorting to
a European-based paypal type transfer. It was $30, more than
a pittance, but if Swiss? based Skype weren't so highly regarded,
I would have uninstalled the service in disgust, over having no
less that four credit cards submitted and left hanging with no
error message or toll free # to call. Had all the looks of a real
scam, you know what i mean? I thought Damn! Four cards! LOL
Wasn't Skype's fault.. it was a currency thing I think. Skype's
terrific. Are you guys still hooked up and using yours?
~ Lee
Tom
> ~ Learning PHP and MySQL. I aim to set up a user submitted, or
> volunteer edited, acim link directory. It's too much hassle keeping
> up with it manually.
Lee "Is that easier than using some version of a wiki?"
~ What I wrote sounded a bit more grand than the actuality. There are
many scrips already written specifically for link directories, which
is my focus today. I'm learning enough PHP & MySQL to customize them
a bit.
~ An ACIM wiki sounds like it would be one big cat fight. lol.
Lee "Lulu's an interesting concept. I hope you'll share what
you find, if you come across other more novel approaches
to distribution/compensation. Also I hope you'll drop a
note if Lulu turns out to be one to avoid, for the time being."
~ I like it. I haven't seen anything better for on-demand book
printing, and I have not heard anything bad about Lulu.
> ~ Since Lulu ships only to US customers at present, it's my guess
that they intentionally block purchases from non-US customers.
Lee "I hadn't thought of the Canadian thing.. makes sense. I suppose
I'm a little surprised to learn that there's more work to be done
in making smallish electronic payments feasible, between countries."
~ I don't think the payment was the problem, since digital delivery
with Lulu is the exception, rather than the rule. But I'm just
guessing.
Lee "Paying my Skype fee recently tested my patience, despite its
enormous popularity.. Tried repeatedly for a week straight,
with credit card pages hanging endlessly, before resorting to
a European-based paypal type transfer. It was $30, more than
a pittance, but if Swiss? based Skype weren't so highly regarded,
I would have uninstalled the service in disgust, over having no
less that four credit cards submitted and left hanging with no
error message or toll free # to call. Had all the looks of a real
scam, you know what i mean? I thought Damn! Four cards! LOL"
~ Sometimes those types of problems originate with the credit card
company's fraud protection software. An unusual purchase, out of your
normal pattern, will kick it out of the system and the transaction
will be denied.
Lee "Wasn't Skype's fault.. it was a currency thing I think. Skype's
terrific. Are you guys still hooked up and using yours?"
~ I'm hooked up for the free service, I guess, but I never use it.
Talking on the phone is not my thing.
mr bill
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"Carrie" <starch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Carrie
Actually, it's kind of an interesting one.
It brings to mind an old fashioned movie, with boxers, or maybe kids
fighting. Pummeling each other.
I ask questions as part of discussion, maybe this isn't clear and
some here seem to take it as personal criticism, or me questioning
their "living" what I believe ACIM teaches. Well, I do question this
at times, like why is it okay for someone to be mean, attacking, etc
to someone they SEE as mean and attacking. Love before ACIM there was
a saying "two wrongs don't make a right".
But, maybe they make the wronged person feel better, to feel they
are justified in giving it back and moreso.
Just like people don't have to see my questions as anything other
that discussion, I don't have to see people as coming from violence,
anger, and attack.
One good thing I've learn from the years I've been on this
newsgroup is what a waste of time and energy arguing (verbal violence)
seems to be. And, as Alan once pointed out in a thread that lasted a
few days, we have enough of this going on out in the world, with
crime, countries not getting along, discord, distrust, etc.
Violence begets more violence. There's another old fashioned word
for you... begets.
Lee
As in.. Contrarian posts beget pummeling.
Carrie
When you want only pummeling you will see nothing else?
Actually the first line I thought of is:
... and who can be pummeled who lives in Innocence and only loves?
I looked it up and this is in context:
The mind that serves the Holy Spirit is unlimited forever, in all
ways, beyond the laws of time and apace, unbound by any
preconceptions, and with strength and power to do whatever it is
asked. Attack thoughts cannot enter such a mind, because it has been
given to the Source of Love. And fear can never enter in a mind which
has attached itself to Love. It rests in God, and who can be afraid
who lives in Innocence and only loves?
We (ng) should have a "word of the day'. or more, as people think
of them and post them and show how they're used.
Perception has a focus, why not focus on learning new words?