my painting
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but this is a black and white painting i did of tiffani amber
theissen
Ali
wrote:
You might also look into signing on with some communities like this
one- http://www.deviantart.com/ although they seem like they're into
other mediums more.
Check this out:
http://alexiuss.deviantart.com/journal/17919112/
Robert Epstein
totally amazing reality and photographic depiction.
robert
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small tortoiseshell
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 13:49:48 -0400, "^@%>---*=#" <yom...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >really a lousy digital camera the tones are all outta whack
> >but this is a black and white painting i did of tiffani amber
> >theissen
>
> >http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=b8trty&s=3
>
> You might also look into signing on with some communities like this
brilliant! thanks for link. If i didnt know better I could have been
fooled into thinking it was Richard Serras studio. ..
Ali
Not to demean Serra, but you posting his art as a comparison to that
gargantuan, dachau-esque human wretchedness shows a hideous lack of
taste, imo.
PigPen
NICE,
Namaste,
Greg O
Thread Terminating Skinhead Demon!
Que Serra, Serra!
Don
dt
Whatever...
DT
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NICE,
Namaste,
Greg O
thanks
Shirley Knott
Beautiful work! I really like monochrome paintings.
small tortoiseshell
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 22:07:14 -0700 (PDT), small tortoiseshell
>
>
>
>
>
> <_cl...@operamail.com> wrote:
> >On May 14, 6:31 am, Ali <lal...@yayaya.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 13 May 2008 13:49:48 -0400, "^@%>---*=#" <yom...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >really a lousy digital camera the tones are all outta whack
> >> >but this is a black and white painting i did of tiffani amber
> >> >theissen
>
> >> >http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=b8trty&s=3
>
> >> You might also look into signing on with some communities like this
> >> other mediums more.
>
> >> Check this out:http://alexiuss.deviantart.com/journal/17919112/
>
> >brilliant! thanks for link. If i didnt know better I could have been
> >fooled into thinking it was Richard Serras studio. ..
>
> >http://www.moma.org/exhibitions/2007/serra/flash.html
>
> Not to demean Serra, but you posting his art as a comparison to that
> gargantuan, dachau-esque human wretchedness shows a hideous lack of
> taste, imo
taste...i dont know how many hells on earth you have visited but in
every one of them there is a heavenwell... but maybe gathering the
ashes from the burned corpses mixing spit and mud moulding them into
small portraits of the diseased that could be placed on pidestalls at
bangladesh national museum for tourism instead would be more tasty?
the intestines of a dog, the burning ghats of Manikarnika. ash
drifting through a rainy sky. Flake white. Dachau-esque like. Landing
on my tongue. A red Lotus...
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> On Tue, 13 May 2008 22:07:14 -0700 (PDT), small tortoiseshell
>
>
>
>
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> <_cl...@operamail.com> wrote:
> >On May 14, 6:31 am, Ali <lal...@yayaya.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 13 May 2008 13:49:48 -0400, "^@%>---*=#" <yom...@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >really a lousy digital camera the tones are all outta whack
> >> >but this is a black and white painting i did of tiffani amber
> >> >theissen
>
> >> >http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=b8trty&s=3
>
> >> You might also look into signing on with some communities like this
> >> other mediums more.
>
> >> Check this out:http://alexiuss.deviantart.com/journal/17919112/
>
> >brilliant! thanks for link. If i didnt know better I could have been
> >fooled into thinking it was Richard Serras studio. ..
>
> >http://www.moma.org/exhibitions/2007/serra/flash.html
>
> Not to demean Serra, but you posting his art as a comparison to that
> gargantuan, dachau-esque human wretchedness shows a hideous lack of
> taste, imo.
the issue has been going on for a long time in different contexts.
per,ex, andre serranos piece called 'piss christ' could be said to be
exceptionally beautiful
but when informed how it is made by implication of title, for some,
that changed radically.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Piss_Christ_by_Serrano_Andres_%281987%29.jpg
"
The piece caused a scandal when it was exhibited in 1989, with
detractors, including United States Senators Al D'Amato and Jesse
Helms, outraged that Serrano received $15,000 from the taxpayer-funded
National Endowment for the Arts for the work. Supporters argue the
Piss Christ is an issue of artistic freedom and freedom of speech. The
journal Arts & Opinion describes the controversy as "a clash between
the interests of artists in freedom of expression on the one hand, and
the hurt such works may cause to a section of the community on the
other."[
Sister Wendy Beckett, an art critic and Catholic nun, stated in a
television interview with Bill Moyers that she regarded the work as
not blasphemous but a statement on "what we have done to Christ" -
that is, the way contemporary society has come to regard Christ and
the values he represents."
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thank you
Evelyn Ruut
"^@%>---*=#" <yom...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Not only with art, but music and writing too.
You are a tremendously talented guy. :-)
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn
>
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"Evelyn Ruut" <evely...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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in the old days 'talent' was a word
used to designate money. one thing
i've never been able to do is turn my
talent into money.
Evelyn Ruut
You certainly aren't alone.
Mozart, Van Gogh, etc. etc. etc. etc......... Go back in history and every
(now) famous, super talented individual seems to have died penniless or
crazy or both. Only a few were able to find a sponsor or patron or monarch
or whatever..... who could allow them to afford to keep going, and that must
have been a special kind of misery of its own, to an artist. Those that
didn't, struggled along from commission to commission. I imagine there
were a few who were successful in a monetary sense, but not all that many.
At least you have a job..... which may take away from creative time spent,
but it probably pays the bills.
When I was young my father refused to let me go to art school. He said
"artists all die starving".... I managed to get through life because I am
also a smart gal. But it would have been nice to get a real education.
Perhaps it is why I am enjoying my retirement so much.
Now our Norbu is also an artist. He also made a living at it. I wish
he'd post us a link.
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn
^@%>---*=#
it is true that i have a good paying job, a
seeming rarity in this day and age in the
industry that i work in, but the rote of that
type of job does indeed kill my motivation
for creative expression and also makes it
difficult to find the time to be creative.
KittyP
Your work is beautiful. I paint and have friends who paint for a living. The
ones who have been successful enough to live on their art put either put a
lot of time and effort into marketing themselves (which takes away from the
painting), or get an agent. It's more fun to just paint ;)
Kitty
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same reason i haven't been in a band for many
years. i enjoy playing music but once you start doing it
for a living it takes some of the fun out of it.
Keynes
I found that whatever I *had* to do for money was cursed.
Then music or art becomes hack work. Work without the charm.
Evelyn Ruut
"^@%>---*=#" <yom...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Exactly the reason I never painted for years and years.
Now I am retired :-) My time is my own.
Hubby is enjoying his retirement too, involving
in all his various hobbies and amusements as well.
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn
^@%>---*=#
i'm jealous. it'll be at least 5 more
years before i can retire. enjoy !
Evelyn Ruut
A dear lady friend is the wife of what was formerly one of the top medical
doctors in this area. He was a cardiologist and chief of staff at both of
our local hospitals. Now that he is retired his great passion is playing
big band music with the Lions club band...... music and and magic. Every
time we see them he has a few magic tricks in his pockets. And speaking of
magic, the Lions club band is nearly magic too, because all they do it out
of love, they all get great joy from it. When they play, they play longer
than agreed, because it is purely recreational to them. Amazing how good
they are too!
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn
Evelyn Ruut
It'll go by quickly. One of the few benefits of being a part of the
workaday, business world is that time flies. It is only now that having
some retirement pension benefits really helps out. The downside is that
every other day you hear of someone dying of this or that. But the freedom
and solitude are worth all the years of work.
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn
Keynes
Reminds me of the story of the very successful
businessman who took time out of his busy day
to take a walk by the river. He saw a man fishing,
and he said, "Son, you're able bodied and probably
intelligent, and here you are fishing in the river on
a wednesday afternoon. Why aren't you at work
somewhere building up wealth for your future?
You have lots of good years of labor in you,
and if you're wise you can build up a substantial
nest egg. Then you can retire and go down
to the river, and... Never mind."
Evelyn Ruut
Robert Epstein
summary:
- work sucks
- life sucks
- art is good
robert
===================
Robert Epstein
Well that's the goddamn problem isn't it? Those of us who have art or
philosophy addictions have discovered that the real world is very
reluctant to pay us for our brilliance, whatever relative wattage it may
have. As a sometime musician, singer, poet, actor..... I tried to
juggle my interests and figure out how to professionalize them, only to
discover that 98% of those who engaged in such activities were not
making a living. At least in England there is such a thing as a
"journeyman actor" and you can almost be guaranteed regular work once
you are at a certain level. In the U.S. there is unpaid talent crawling
out of every restaurant and taxicab and relatively few jobs to go
around. When I looked at the options for jazz saxaphone players as a
young man they ranged from unpaid in a room somewhere to slightly paid
in a smokier room. Elvin Jones, John Coltrane's drummer for many years,
finally reached the breaking point when a couple kept talking and
laughing through his drum solo at a club, unscrewed his cymbal and threw
it across the room, and just missed decapitating one of them. [He had a
bad temper anyway - once punched a flute-playing college mate of mine
who played with him in the stomach for taking "too short" a solo.]
When Chic Corea was the most popular and famous jazz pianist in the
country his best year was a $10,000 paycheck. Which is the real reason
for "fusion" as jazz musicians discovered they could play less
complicated lines and make a lot more money. In the area of poetry I
had a few things published in small poetry magazines for no pay and
studied with some good people in college. Almost all the poets who made
a living were part of the University system, getting paid for teaching
and "something" but never much for their books. The real problem is
that our culture does not value the arts AT ALL, unless it is in the
opiate form of the latest group of "moving models" jiggling across the
tv screen. In Chile a great poet like Pablo Neruda was not only
acknowledged as an artist but was made an Ambassador. In other
cultures, someone who is a philosopher or poet or great musician is
considered of the highest station in society, rather than the lowest.
When I tell people I have a degree in philosophy it takes several
minutes for the laughter to subside - not that they think philosophy is
worthless, but at the idea that I would be so impractical as to have
studied something that is totally useless in the real world, unless of
course you want to spend your lifetime as part of a small college. [Not
a bad idea in retrospect.] What's wrong with us?
Robert
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Robert Epstein
well it's hard here in the real world to bust your ass working with a
band and then not have enough money to buy food. But it can be fun. I
was in two really good bands in High School and College - I know, it's
been a while. But it is really thrilling to work with good musicians
and work out tunes with them. Really great fun.
Robert
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Robert Epstein
It's a paradox isn't it? How do you support your art habit without
losing track of your art? Working takes a lot of time and energy...
KittyP
"Robert Epstein" <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Maybe it's about not seeing money as evil or a hindrance. It's just stuff
that helps buy supplies and to eat after all? I've been working on thinking
of it that way rather than that I'm imperialistic capitalistic scum. heh
Kitty
Evelyn Ruut
Robert, my son is an awesome musician and singer. He has a few "day jobs"
to pay the rent, but his real love is music. Just now he has hooked up
with some very good musicians and is playing with a really good band. They
are getting some attention, (but of course nobody knows if it will go
anywhere). He is only doing vocals with these guys even though his guitar
work is good. The guys in the band are even better than he is, as he says.
Meanwhile he keeps working every day ..... music has to be his "side"
interest though it should have been his main one. I am just glad he has a
place to express it. It is a shame to waste a talent like his.
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn
Evelyn Ruut
I am painting for me. I don't care if I never sell a painting. I know it
is weird, but that's how it is.
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn
^@%>---*=#
my brother's been in detroit for many years
trying to make the band thing work. he also
works in a music store and just got a gig playing
bass for the orchestra in jesus christ superstar
which is starting up i believe in june and he's
always hurting for money.
^@%>---*=#
i've never tried to sell any paintings or have
a gallery showing but over the years i've sold
or given away over 40 of them. i do believe if
i could do it full time and get a manager i could
make a decent living at it.
Keynes
My mom used to sell paintings from her home
which was turned into a gallery. She bought them
from europe for pennies. She and spouse made
frames for them (which actually cost more to make
than the paintings.) They were very nice. Even the
bad ones were pretty good. A few were great IMO.
I did a few invitational art shows with my silk screened
imitation stained glass and miniature landscapes. Lots
of good amateur painters there. Not all that many were
selling.
We knew one lady who made a living doing murals
and canvases of flowers and butterflies. Her stuff
was OK. There are the traveling 'starving artist'
shows that sell the same euro stuff. Walmart sells
livingroom size paintings for $30. You could
paint one yourself for $1 an hour. (Not counting
materials.)
The art market is weird to say the least. It's folks
with too much money and not enough sense trying
to impress their friends about how intellectual and
discriminating they can be. Hence the basketballs
floating in aquariums, and upright vacuum cleaners
in glass cases.
"An interesting work. Very deep. Cold and angular
like modern regimented society in a world of
escalating futility. What do you call it?"
"Umm. Fedders. Air conditioner."
^@%>---*=#
i found a web site where you can sell your
paintings so i'm going to put the one i posted
here on there and price it at $5000.00 just
to see if some rich art lover might bite.
Keynes
Good luck. We're pulling for ya.
Evelyn Ruut
"^@%>---*=#" <yom...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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That might indeed be possible.
I go to an art class once a week with a local lady who gives classes in her
home. She happens to be quite well known and she has quite a few
students, and a connection with a local museum. They do an art show once a
year. Each student gets about 3 ft of wall space to display whatever they
want. It's a good start for me. So by joining with a group of local
artists you might get an "in" of some kind that way. I found this little
art group to be surprisingly nice people, not competitive, very supportive
and friendly.
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn
Evelyn Ruut
"Keynes" <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote in message
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Perhaps I have no taste at all, but to me that kind of thing is not art at
all. It can be fun or interesting, or quirky for the moment though.
Fortunately all the people in my little art group paint real paintings with
standard real media and nobody tries to pass off such nonsense as "art".....
but living in Woodstock, I see all kinds of weird stuff.
One local bank has what appears to be a huge stack of pipes laying on its
front lawn. I thought it was a sewer construction project getting ready.
Turned out it is a "sculpture"...... So you can see I am quite hopeless!
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Best Regards,
Evelyn
Evelyn Ruut
"^@%>---*=#" <yom...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Good luck with that!
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Best Regards,
Evelyn
Noah Sombrero
Talking heads. People who can be moved by advertising call the shots.
>> In Chile a great poet like Pablo Neruda was not only
>> acknowledged as an artist but was made an Ambassador.
South American culture. It might be hard to find an American poet who
would agree to be an ambasador. Robert Frost?
>> In other
>> cultures, someone who is a philosopher or poet or great musician is
>> considered of the highest station in society, rather than the lowest.
>> When I tell people I have a degree in philosophy it takes several
>> minutes for the laughter to subside - not that they think philosophy is
>> worthless, but at the idea that I would be so impractical as to have
>> studied something that is totally useless in the real world, unless of
>> course you want to spend your lifetime as part of a small college. [Not
>> a bad idea in retrospect.] What's wrong with us?
We have to pay those damn rents. But if it is our property value that
has gone up times 5, we are quite ready to cash in.
Evelyn Ruut
"tara" <jackpine@xplornet{removethis}.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 May 2008 01:05:30 -0400, =# wrote
> (in article <yN6dnW69tOA7-rPV...@earthlink.com>):
>
>>
>> i found a web site where you can sell your
>> paintings so i'm going to put the one i posted
>> here on there and price it at $5000.00 just
>> to see if some rich art lover might bite.
>>
>
> URL ?
>
> tara
Yes, please do provide it.
BTW, Tara's stuff is really truly good!!!!
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn
^@%>---*=#
"tara" <jackpine@xplornet{removethis}.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 May 2008 01:05:30 -0400, =# wrote
> (in article <yN6dnW69tOA7-rPV...@earthlink.com>):
>
>>
>> paintings so i'm going to put the one i posted
>> here on there and price it at $5000.00 just
>> to see if some rich art lover might bite.
>>
>
>
> tara
actually there are several sites that
allow you to sell your artwork and
i'm still looking them all over.
Robert Epstein
Oh I'm not against money, just think it usually takes too much trouble
to acquire it. I'd like to have it and be done with it. :)
As for capitalism, well, it's the way of the world. There's hardly
anything else left.
Robert
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Robert Epstein
Yes, it is. If you can't do it for a living, you should at least have
it as a regular activity.
Robert Epstein
that's how my dad is too. He's 88 and has been a wonderful artist for
most of his life, and selling stuff has never been his motivation. He
picks up junk on the street for his collages, scribbles on napkins in
restaurants, and just has art in his blood. When he has had shows he
has always sold a lot, but usually hasn't gone to the trouble of
marketing his work.
Robert
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> On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:09:02 -0400, Robert Epstein wrote
> (in article <2CnXj.4052$_g.1574@trnddc07>):
> Pretty much the same here in Canada, Robert. When we had Prime Minister
> (Pierre Trudeau) things were much better for people in the Arts. But that
> was because Trudeau was a Patron of the Arts and realized the importance of
> art of all kinds to the country and culture as a whole. Canada Council for
> the Arts Grants were abundantly available for Artists. Good times then in
> Canada.
>
> tara
>
>
I remember seeing these exceptional extraordinary slice-of-life type
independent films and I would go wow where did this come from? And at
the end it was often the Film Board of Canada or something similar.
Also seem to have been quite a bit of that in Australia.
Robert Epstein
yup.
robert
heron stone
Robert Epstein <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Oh I'm not against money, just think it usually takes too much trouble
> to acquire it. I'd like to have it and be done with it. :)
.i agree
.i like money
.but time is more important to me
.so, mostly, i do what i like, and enough money
flows to me to allow me to do what i like
> As for capitalism, well, it's the way of the world.
...for now
.capitalism and communism were two ways of dealing
with the industrial revolution
.a new world is emerging now... the first global,
enlightened civilization
.communism is dead
.capitalism is following it into the grave history
?what will replace them...
thermodynamic accounting
?what will be the basic unit of accounting...
the person-second
heron
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Robert Epstein
> In article <UkNXj.380$ju1.178@trndny06>,
> Robert Epstein <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Oh I'm not against money, just think it usually takes too much trouble
>>to acquire it. I'd like to have it and be done with it. :)
>
>
> .i agree
> .i like money
> .but time is more important to me
>
> .so, mostly, i do what i like, and enough money
> flows to me to allow me to do what i like
>
>
>>As for capitalism, well, it's the way of the world.
>
>
> ...for now
>
> .capitalism and communism were two ways of dealing
> with the industrial revolution
> .a new world is emerging now... the first global,
> enlightened civilization
> .communism is dead
> .capitalism is following it into the grave history
>
> ?what will replace them...
> thermodynamic accounting
> ?what will be the basic unit of accounting...
> the person-second
>
> heron
>
well I'm certainly looking forward to the future
there's always something new coming down the conveyor belt
robert
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the future ain't what it used to be
Keynes
we shall see.
I'm getting a pony for christmas.
This time fer sure.
^@%>---*=#
don't forget to buy a shovel
Robert Epstein
worth quoting.