Schrodinger's cat?
Wompom
Has Jan seen the film yet?
Has it appeared as a superposition in Jan's garden?
Is it a superposition of DT?
Or has it just bifurcated again!
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than dreamt of in your
philosophy"
Wil W (Wavefunction) Shakespeare
oxtail
Is the doorless gate open or closed?
--
oxtail
Wompom
"oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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Ahhhh a quantum koan that smells of patchouli
Mmmm
:-)
http://www.physorg.com/news89542035.html
Wompom
I suppose the quantum answer would be "Both" ! But even if it had a door and
the door was closed it could still be open... Quantum tunning and all
that... :-)
I love this quantum stuff, so mysterious and yet testable, probabilistic and
yet with mind bending consequences (e.g. entanglement, spooky action at a
distance etc...)
The whole 'quantum nose' thing makes me think there may be far more macro
consequences of this then we can imagine... :-)
I spose we ae all made of quantum stuff...
oxtail
Did they figure out how magnetism works yet?
--
oxtail
oxtail
Either open of closed.
Neither open nor closed.
Even the emptiness?
--
oxtail
Wompom
Oxtail, I have written over ten different replies to this post and deleted
every one! You are like a lamp and me a moth! (I go mediatate on this before
I fall asleep!)
:-)
Wompom
i suppose if you know emptiness of self it is inevitable that you will
question the corporeal and (perceived) nature of phenomena. Thus all the
subsequent mahayana spins on Sunyata.
<phew that's not too bad imo>
<sometime it is good to think these things thru for yourself!>
Thank you
;-)
oxtail
> i suppose if you know emptiness of self it is inevitable that you will
> question the corporeal and (perceived) nature of phenomena. Thus all the
> subsequent mahayana spins on Sunyata.
>
> <phew that's not too bad imo>
> <sometime it is good to think these things thru for yourself!>
> Thank you
> ;-)
A lot more depends on you.
Have a sudden awakening.
--
oxtail
[quote]
Hekiganroku Case 65
A Non-Buddhist Philosopher Questions the Buddha
ENGO'S INTRODUCTION
It has no form and yet appears. It extends in every direction and is
boundless. It responds spontaneously and works in emptiness. Even though
you may be clever enough to deduce three from one instance, and to detect
the slightest deviation at a glance, and though you may be so powerful
that the blows fall from your stick like raindrops and your shouts sound
like thunderclaps, you are not yet to be compared with the man of
advanced enlightenment. What is the condition of such a man? See the
following.
MAIN SUBJECT
A non-Buddhist philosopher said to the Buddha, "I do not ask for words; I
do not ask for non-words." The World-honored One remained silent for a
while. The philosopher said admiringly, "The World-honored One, in his
great mercy, has blown away the clouds of my illusion and enabled me to
enter the Way."
[/quote]
From: A. V. Grimstone, ed., Two Zen Classics: Mumonkan and Hekiganroku
(New York: Weatherhill, 1977) 321, Questia, Web, 8 Dec. 2009.
possum
stef sweetie, i haven't seen the film, but i wouldn't be at all
surprised if the garden is the perfect place for the superposition...
ok, the problem i have with shrodinger is that i always want the cat
to live... : )
Wompom
I wish
:-)
You do yourself a disservice
Wompom
"possum" <jhk00B0S...@spambox.us> wrote in message
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And there lieth the problemo (Attachment to cat life and aversion to cat
death!) ;-)
Dad cat live cat, neither dead or alive cat...
Sounds like a PJ Harvey song...
(Some - Many? - buddy people, e.g. TNH, dont think in terms of life or death
at all - It's all dependent arrising "Interbeing" (tm) some Zen school or
another...)
One day your cats will be fertilizer but the trees will grow stronger... :-)
oxtail
You mean you are not afraid
to have a sudden awakening?
Even if you will have to beg for food
for the rest of your life?
--
oxtail
Wompom
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.184.than.html
possum
> "possum" <jhk00B0Sn3VdC...@spambox.us> wrote in message
yes, i have some awareness of my desires and aversions, and OCD
tendencies, and maybe some attachments have loosened - or maybe they
just shift around like they're on some sort of rota...but i'm miles
away from relinquishing them, and i'm not fully aware of why i do half
the stupid things i do. i see oxtail's gone into irritating questions
mode again. (this is a two for the price of one post. both free so
it's not even BOGOF!) are you unafraid to have a sudden
enlightenment, he asks, even if it means you will have to beg for food
for the rest of your life?
this straightaway takes me into aversion territory...after all, all
these years of being a welf for a living... begging does not appeal
to me. i help people to appeal so that they don't have to beg or
starve. oxtail, what are you talking about? riddles and koans, like
i've got all the time in the world...and after all these years, could
it be called sudden? oh yes it could, on these boards...
i suppose my direct answer, not that oxtail's asking me - i'm just
butinskis and offering a GOGOF, is, i don't like the sound of begging
for food, but putting that aside, sometimes i feel afraid and
sometimes i don't, and i don't know whether i really am or aren't.
However, i'm distinctly worried about the post-awakening cow that
falls on one's head almost immediately afterwards - the startling
vision of which has never left me since Lee Dillion cracked that one
open. i can't seem to help being leery of it, although it would
indeed be a wonderfully compassionate last act to break the poor cow's
fall, and an honour to help out a four-legged friend.
and it would be quick.
but i'm bad.
possum
Wompom
Wompom
> yes, i have some awareness of my desires and aversions, and OCD
> tendencies, and maybe some attachments have loosened - or maybe they
> just shift around like they're on some sort of rota...but i'm miles
> away from relinquishing them, and i'm not fully aware of why i do half
> the stupid things i do.
The fact that you are aware that you are not aware is a good start :-)
> i see oxtail's gone into irritating questions
> mode again.
No no the boy is on form... Why dont you ask him a question?
> (this is a two for the price of one post. both free so
> it's not even BOGOF!) are you unafraid to have a sudden
> enlightenment, he asks, even if it means you will have to beg for food
> for the rest of your life?
>
> this straightaway takes me into aversion territory...after all, all
> these years of being a welf for a living... begging does not appeal
> to me. i help people to appeal so that they don't have to beg or
> starve. oxtail, what are you talking about?
I think it is up to us to make up our own minds. Seems like we came to two
different conclusions. You took him 100% literally.
(Actually I worked with UK Street people for about two years - I would say
99% were in a pretty rotton state from rotting flesh (literally), 80% with
some chronic drug or alchol problem. Maybe in 2 years I met ONE happy and
'together' street person...). If I were a mendicant I think I would prefer a
warm climate :-)
> riddles and koans, like
> i've got all the time in the world...and after all these years, could
> it be called sudden?
Good point.
>oh yes it could, on these boards...
SUDDEN shifts of conciousnes happen all the time, especially in in therapy,
e.g. that "Ah ha" moment...
> i suppose my direct answer, not that oxtail's asking me - i'm just
> butinskis and offering a GOGOF, is, i don't like the sound of begging
> for food, but putting that aside, sometimes i feel afraid and
> sometimes i don't, and i don't know whether i really am or aren't.
GOOD to be loose aboout this imo. I certainly am not the same person from
moment to moment, nor I suspect are you or for that matter most people...
> However, i'm distinctly worried about the post-awakening cow that
> falls on one's head almost immediately afterwards - the startling
> vision of which has never left me since Lee Dillion cracked that one
> open.
I missed this? Sounds interesting?
> i can't seem to help being leery of it, although it would
> indeed be a wonderfully compassionate last act to break the poor cow's
> fall, and an honour to help out a four-legged friend.
>
> and it would be quick.
>
> but i'm bad.
Sacre bleu!
Wompom
From my limited experience in a UK city, street people were:
98% in rotton state and subject to continuing abuse
80% tanked up on drugs or alcohol
75% Mental health problems
Occasionaly with rotting flesh (I remember this - how can you forget the
smell?)
Many of these people did beg thus I concur with you Jan better to help them
off the streets. In the UK there are very few noble mendicants on the
streets in my experience...
SG
Can I keep the TV and bunny slippers?
SG
possum
> "possum" <jhk00B0Sn3VdC...@spambox.us> wrote
chipped.
possum
> "possum" <jhk00B0Sn3VdC...@spambox.us> wrote
>
> > yes, i have some awareness of my desires and aversions, and OCD
> > tendencies, and maybe some attachments have loosened - or maybe they
> > just shift around like they're on some sort of rota...but i'm miles
> > away from relinquishing them, and i'm not fully aware of why i do half
> > the stupid things i do.
>
> The fact that you are aware that you are not aware is a good start :-)
>
> > i see oxtail's gone into irritating questions
> > mode again.
>
> No no the boy is on form... Why dont you ask him a question?
i haven't answered his last question yet... : )
>
> > (this is a two for the price of one post. both free so
> > it's not even BOGOF!) are you unafraid to have a sudden
> > enlightenment, he asks, even if it means you will have to beg for food
> > for the rest of your life?
>
> > this straightaway takes me into aversion territory...after all, all
> > these years of being a welf for a living... begging does not appeal
> > to me. i help people to appeal so that they don't have to beg or
> > starve. oxtail, what are you talking about?
>
> I think it is up to us to make up our own minds. Seems like we came to two
> different conclusions. You took him 100% literally.
my literalist tendency? drives me crazy...
>
> (Actually I worked with UK Street people for about two years - I would say
> 99% were in a pretty rotton state from rotting flesh (literally), 80% with
> some chronic drug or alchol problem. Maybe in 2 years I met ONE happy and
> 'together' street person...). If I were a mendicant I think I would prefer a
> warm climate :-)
this is not a good country for dropping out and living on the land...
tough work, stef. respect.
>
> > riddles and koans, like
> > i've got all the time in the world...and after all these years, could
> > it be called sudden?
>
> Good point.
>
> >oh yes it could, on these boards...
>
> SUDDEN shifts of conciousnes happen all the time, especially in in therapy,
> e.g. that "Ah ha" moment...
prolly just goes to show there is no permanence... : )
>
> > i suppose my direct answer, not that oxtail's asking me - i'm just
> > butinskis and offering a GOGOF, is, i don't like the sound of begging
> > for food, but putting that aside, sometimes i feel afraid and
> > sometimes i don't, and i don't know whether i really am or aren't.
>
> GOOD to be loose aboout this imo. I certainly am not the same person from
> moment to moment, nor I suspect are you or for that matter most people...
>
> > However, i'm distinctly worried about the post-awakening cow that
> > falls on one's head almost immediately afterwards - the startling
> > vision of which has never left me since Lee Dillion cracked that one
> > open.
>
> I missed this? Sounds interesting?
it was hi jinks, but the flying cow thought is not one i can
unthink... err.. i mean, forget...glad to say... : ): )
you will recall this though...
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/ud/ud.1.10.than.html
>
> > i can't seem to help being leery of it, although it would
> > indeed be a wonderfully compassionate last act to break the poor cow's
> > fall, and an honour to help out a four-legged friend.
>
> > and it would be quick.
>
> > but i'm bad.
>
> Sacre bleu!
doh!
merde!!
merci.
possum
i'm not about to argue with your experience.
i'm happy to say that from time to time, break -throughs occur for the
poorest people, and one long overdue happened in the pre-budget
report, unnoticed. it will cost the treasury a lot more than it will
get from taxing bankers bonuses. there are a lot more poor people,
that the revenue will stop robbing, than bank bonuses. big
politicshhh, big bottoms.
possum
oxtail
> Can I keep the TV and bunny slippers?
If you eat for others.
Some would say you can even
keep playboy bunnies.
--
oxtail
Wompom
"possum" <jhk00B0S...@spambox.us> wrote
> it was hi jinks, but the flying cow thought is not one
> i can unthink... err.. i mean, forget...glad to say... : ): )
> you will recall this though...
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/ud/ud.1.10.than.html
Is most excellent, and memorable!
Thanks!
Wompom
> If you eat for others.
> Some would say you can even
> keep playboy bunnies.
>
In theory...
oxtail
And in practice?
--
oxtail
Wompom
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oxtail
What does it mean to you
for anyone to eat for others?
--
oxtail
Wompom
To give some meaning to life that otherwise seems quite pointless
Wompom
To live the Mahayana
Wompom
To have compassion for others predicament
Wompom
To (sometimes) make sacrifices for others....
Wompom
To have fun, to share with others, to cultivate mental peace (one important
route for me)...
zenworm
the reason he insisted on cats...
nine lives ;D
ZN :D _/|\_
absolute permanent perfection overflowing without action
zenworm
ROFLMAO!
terms of enlightenment
ZN ;D
jubilation for no reason owned by no one
zenworm
own or possess?
zenworm
living a life not owned by a 'self'
Wompom
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=================
Indeed, but the 'self'' needs warmth, sustanance, rest, companionship an
dlove... remember the finely tuned string.... IMO 'Giving' beyond ones
limits is tantemount to self mortification... (Mea Culpa!)
However 'knowing' 'ones' limits may be an aspect of enlightenmenet?
Regards, Stefan (I cant trust my mind as far as i can throw it) Gmaj :-)
Wompom
"Wompom" <m...@stefangmaj.plus.com> wrote in message news:...
companionship an
dlove as well... remember the finely tuned string.... IMO 'Giving' beyond
limits is tantemount to self mortification... (Mea Culpa!)
However 'knowing' 'ones' limits may be an aspect of enlightenmenet?
Do I know my own mind?
oxtail
> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:58:44 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:16:54 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote >
>>>>>> If you eat for others.
>>>>>> Some would say you can even
>>>>>> keep playboy bunnies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> In theory...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And in practice?
>>>
>>> Hard
>>>
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>>
>>
>> What does it mean to you
>> for anyone to eat for others?
>>
>
> To give some meaning to life that otherwise seems quite pointless
Is your life pointless if you cannot eat for others?
--
oxtail
oxtail
> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:58:44 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:16:54 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote >
>>>>>> If you eat for others.
>>>>>> Some would say you can even
>>>>>> keep playboy bunnies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> In theory...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And in practice?
>>>
>>> Hard
>>>
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>>
>>
>> What does it mean to you
>> for anyone to eat for others?
>>
>
> To live the Mahayana
Do you have faith in the Mahayana?
--
oxtail
oxtail
> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:58:44 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:16:54 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote >
>>>>>> If you eat for others.
>>>>>> Some would say you can even
>>>>>> keep playboy bunnies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> In theory...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And in practice?
>>>
>>> Hard
>>>
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>>
>>
>> What does it mean to you
>> for anyone to eat for others?
>>
>
> To have compassion for others predicament
Have you ever eaten with an awareness
imbued with compassion?
--
oxtail
oxtail
> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:58:44 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:16:54 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote >
>>>>>> If you eat for others.
>>>>>> Some would say you can even
>>>>>> keep playboy bunnies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> In theory...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And in practice?
>>>
>>> Hard
>>>
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>>
>>
>> What does it mean to you
>> for anyone to eat for others?
>>
>
> To (sometimes) make sacrifices for others....
Would you like to?
--
oxtail
oxtail
> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:58:44 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:16:54 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote >
>>>>>> If you eat for others.
>>>>>> Some would say you can even
>>>>>> keep playboy bunnies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> In theory...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And in practice?
>>>
>>> Hard
>>>
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>>
>>
>> What does it mean to you
>> for anyone to eat for others?
>>
>
> To have fun, to share with others, to cultivate mental peace (one
> important route for me)...
Do you ever let go of your self?
--
oxtail
oxtail
> "Wompom" <m...@stefangmaj.plus.com> wrote in message news:...
>> "zenworm" <zens...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> On Dec 13, 11:58 pm, oxtail <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:58:44 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>> > "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>> >> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:16:54 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>> >>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote >
>>> >>>> If you eat for others.
>>> >>>> Some would say you can even
>>> >>>> keep playboy bunnies.
>>>
>>> >>> In theory...
>>>
>>> >> And in practice?
>>>
>>> > Hard
>>>
>>> > Drukpa Kunley | Facebook
>>> > Welcome to the official Facebook Page of Drukpa Kunley. Get
>>> > exclusive content and interact with Drukpa Kunley right from
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>>>
>>> What does it mean to you
>>> for anyone to eat for others?
>>>
>>
>> living a life not owned by a 'self'
>>
>> ZN :D _/|\_
>> absolute permanent perfection overflowing without action
>> =================
> Indeed, but the conventional self' needs warmth, sustanance, rest,
> companionship an
> dlove as well... remember the finely tuned string.... IMO 'Giving'
> beyond ones
> limits is tantemount to self mortification... (Mea Culpa!) However
> 'knowing' 'ones' limits may be an aspect of enlightenmenet?
>
> Do I know my own mind?
Do you need to know your mind,
Wompom
Ok life is pointless whatever. Interjected 'meaning' is what gives it any
sembalance of a 'point' imo. 'Helping others' seems to be a good use of my
time... Sure if I sat under a Palm tree all day then I could interject a
'point' or 'no point' to my life - whatever - but I fear I would be
restless. I have skills to help/share so I would be restless. As I think I
have always said (though I am cetainly NOT attached to consistancy) -
Helping others helps me but only up to a point... If I get exausted doing
this, or taken advantage of then I need to take a step back....
To be is what it is all about
To do is optional
maybe I am a bit of a slave to too much 'doing'...
:-)
And of course I have far more work to do on my monkey mind...
:-)
Maybe I just need to accept that I am monkey!
nee former Bonobo :-))
Wompom
For me, and many others, yes
For yet others there are other paths and 'end-point's
Thera or Maha each of equal value IMO.
Wompom
Eaten, drank etc etc...
Wompom
Not a question of like. Everyday people do this all the time (Mothers,
fathers etc) like this story I heard of a son who gave a kidney for his
alcoholic mother. Not sure if I could do that!
Wompom
No enough
:-)
Wompom
It is good IMO to try and understand my motivations?
oxtail
Is life pointless if we cannot eat for others?
--
oxtail
oxtail
> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:23:43 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:58:44 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:16:54 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>>>>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote >
>>>>>>>> If you eat for others.
>>>>>>>> Some would say you can even
>>>>>>>> keep playboy bunnies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In theory...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And in practice?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hard
>>>>>
>>>>> Drukpa Kunley | Facebook
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>>>>> exclusive content and interact with Drukpa Kunley right from
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What does it mean to you
>>>> for anyone to eat for others?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> To live the Mahayana
>>
>>
>> Do you have faith in the Mahayana?
>>
>
> For me, and many others, yes
> For yet others there are other paths and 'end-point's Thera or Maha each
> of equal value IMO.
Wonderful.
What does it mean for you
to have faith in the Mahayana?
--
oxtail
oxtail
> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
> news:hg5o28$5na$5...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:29:52 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>
>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:58:44 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:16:54 +0000, Wompom wrote:
>>>>>>> "oxtail" <oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote >
>>>>>>>> If you eat for others.
>>>>>>>> Some would say you can even
>>>>>>>> keep playboy bunnies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In theory...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And in practice?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hard
>>>>>
>>>>> Drukpa Kunley | Facebook
>>>>> Welcome to the official Facebook Page of Drukpa Kunley. Get
>>>>> exclusive content and interact with Drukpa Kunley right from
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What does it mean to you
>>>> for anyone to eat for others?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> To (sometimes) make sacrifices for others....
>>
>>
>> Would you like to?
>>
>
> Not a question of like. Everyday people do this all the time (Mothers,
> fathers etc) like this story I heard of a son who gave a kidney for his
> alcoholic mother. Not sure if I could do that!
Do you love yourself?
--
oxtail
oxtail
> It is good IMO to try and understand my motivations?
Are you usually grateful for everything?
--
oxtail
Wompom
It is not for me to say
I do not know
It's up to each to decide or not decide in their own way imo
But for me, the Mahayana, gives me a 'point'
As I have said before, it helps me 'sleep nights'
:-)
Wompom
To have personal knowledge of Dukkha, to see it everywhere and to try and
help ease it in others (if invited to do so).
Wompom
I am getting better at it :-)
Wompom
Again, not enough, but I am working on it!
:-)
(Is this the Oxtail show? I feel like I am on TV being interviewed?)
:-))
AH SHOWBIZZNISS !!
oxtail
Are you here to be ignored?
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oxtail
oxtail
> I am getting better at it :-)
Shouldn't you stop loving yourself?
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oxtail
Wompom
Razors edge
Wompom
Being IGNORED is Dukkha from my POV, however helpful advcse/dialogue is
always much appreciated :-)
(And the motivation/intention *is* important imo)
An eSangha should be friendly/helpful/supportive? Condusive to mutual
development???
:-)
oxtail
> Razors edge
Two sides of a coin.
A quarter is 25 cents.
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oxtail
oxtail
Anything but just sitting?
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oxtail
Wompom
Thanks for the reminder :-)
oxtail
Feel free to sit here
moments by moments.
Might as well have a sudden awakening!
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oxtail