John Daido Loori, Zen Abbot and Photographer, Dies at 78
Allen Barker
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/nyregion/10loori.html
John D. Loori, 78, Zen Abbot and Photographer, Dies
By DOUGLAS MARTIN
Published: October 10, 2009
John Daido Loori, a photographer who found that snapping a picture
mirrored the instant of spiritual enlightenment, inspiring him to
start an influential Zen monastery in the Catskills, died on Friday in
Mount Tremper, N.Y. He was 78.
The cause was complications of lung cancer, Vanessa Zuisei Goddard,
his assistant, said.
In addition to being abbot of the monastery he started, Abbot Loori
founded a worldwide Zen order, was a respected photographer and
teacher and wrote 20 books on Buddhism and art.
He is to be buried in the cemetery of his Zen Mountain Monastery in
Mount Tremper, where each year a "Hungry Ghost" ceremony honors the
dead. In 49 days, according to Buddhist belief, he will be
reincarnated. The funeral will be held then, Ms. Goddard said.
Although there are many Zen centers, some larger, Abbot Loori created
one of the few Zen orders based in the United States that has members
from Brooklyn to New Zealand. He published a 120-page quarterly
journal and offered Zen instruction on the Internet, and on an online
radio station (WZEN.org).
He set up an institute to apply Zen principles to environmental
matters, hoping to bring people closer to "the inherent intelligence
of wildness." He also began a program to teach Zen to prison inmates.
Abbot Loori enforced strict rules both for monks and for weekend
visitors. He safeguarded traditions like the precise, meditative Zen
way of eating, and decades ago made a video of the ritual that is
widely used in Buddhist circles.
But for the thousands who have come to his monastery, he offered not
just the expected instruction in traditions like Zen archery but also
topics like gay and lesbian spirituality. And unlike traditional
Buddhist practitioners, he promoted women as leaders of Zen centers.
Richard Seager, author of "Buddhism in America" (1999), said in an
e-mail message that Abbot Loori, who called himself a "radical
conservative," deserved credit for "thoughtfully reworking" Japanese
Zen Buddhism for an American context. Some chants were in English.
"He is certainly representative, if not critically important for
Buddhism coming to the United States," he wrote.
John James Loori was born on June 14, 1931, in Jersey City, and grew
up as a Roman Catholic. His favorite toy was a Brownie camera. He
forged a birth certificate to join the Navy when he was 16 and served
on an aircraft carrier.
He went to work for a company that made artificial flavors, meanwhile
attending Monmouth College, Rutgers and the Polytechnic Institute of
Brooklyn.
During the 1960s, he felt his life was collapsing. He was working long
hours and spending little time with his children. His marriage was
shattering.
Abbot Loori was married to Nancy Decker and Joan DeRiso (both
marriages ended in divorce) and had a long relationship with Bonnie
Treace. He is survived by his wife, Rachael Loori Romero; his brothers
Joseph Lori and Sal Salerno; his sons John, David and Asian; and four
grandchildren.
He groped back from his personal crisis by starting a photo
studio. His photo career included books, exhibitions and teaching
jobs. In 2004 and 2005, he exhibited nature photographs at the
American Museum of Natural History.
He pursued Zen even more intensely, mastering two approaches -- one
"just sitting," and the other solving paradoxical riddles, called
koans. A highly regarded teacher in Los Angeles asked him to start a
center in the East.
In 1980, he founded the Mountains and Rivers Order along with an arts
center. The complex became a monastery in 1983, after visitors wanted
more rigor. At first, the Los Angeles teacher, Taizan Maezumi, was
abbot of the monastery, and Abbot Loori headed the order. In 1989,
Abbot Loori assumed both roles.
The monastery fit right into a Catskills spiritual scene that already
included Zen, Hindu, Tibetan Buddhist, yoga and various New Age
centers. Abbot Loori decreed that 80 percent of the 230 acres he had
just bought would have to remain "forever wild," which meant no
manicuring of the landscape.
Zen Buddhist elders nearly prevented Abbot Loori's ordination as a
monk, after seeing a tattoo peeking from his robe. A Navy souvenir, it
depicted an innocent-enough anchor, but Japanese associate tattoos
with criminals, and Abbot Loori refused to erase his past.
The ordination finally went ahead. But the abbot wore a bandage over
the tattoo when he visited Japan, Newsday reported in 2004.
"I think they were a bit puzzled when I returned year after year and
the burn still hadn't healed," he said.
Charles E Hardwidge
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>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/nyregion/10loori.html
>
> John Daido Loori, a photographer who found that snapping a picture
> mirrored the instant of spiritual enlightenment, inspiring him to
> start an influential Zen monastery in the Catskills, died on Friday in
> Mount Tremper, N.Y. He was 78.
Is there some point or opinion you'd like to share as a new and unique work
worthy of attention and discussion, or is this just a stale press release
newsgroup we can all pass by?
JDL built something worthwhile up. I've enjoyed reading the essays on
his site and his contribution to photography is notable. Beyond that, I'm
nobody's brand bitch and got my own shit going on.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Lee Rudolph
>"Allen Barker" <allendotel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/nyregion/10loori.html
>>
>> John Daido Loori, a photographer who found that snapping a picture
>> mirrored the instant of spiritual enlightenment, inspiring him to
>> start an influential Zen monastery in the Catskills, died on Friday in
>> Mount Tremper, N.Y. He was 78.
>
>Is there some point or opinion you'd like to share as a new and unique work
>worthy of attention and discussion, or is this just a stale press release
>newsgroup we can all pass by?
The article appeared 40 days before it was (re)posted here. In it,
we read "In 49 days, according to Buddhist belief, he will be reincarnated.
The funeral will be held then, Ms. Goddard said." So I assumed that the
reposter was giving a heads-up to those who want to keep an eye out for
the reincarnation, attend the funeral, or both. "Only nine shopping
days to Loori-mas" kind of thing, innit.
Lee Rudolph
Déjà Flu
Would that be with or without the tattoo? Mall-spotters
should be alert for arm bandages!
--
Ubi dubium ibi libertas
Charles E Hardwidge
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I just saw Baker was being an attention whore and a lazy cunt. It's easier
to coat tail some cut and paste article than it is to come up with something
new and nurture an audience.
The reincarnation after 49 days is a new one on me. I'd like to know what
Christmas cracker they pulled that one from. That's before we get into
Loori's muddled pick and mix Communitarian-Libertarian politics. The dude
sounds like a mess but something makes me think this isn't the reason why
there's not going to be an open casket funeral.
I was cooking up this scheme that when I die I'm going to kick the shit out
of God for all this bullshit and take over. Fuck, yeah. Then I just watched
the reprise of The Prisoner and wondered if that's what the overblown bitch
wants. Or maybe that's what God wants me to think that he wants.
Hah. Man, I could imagine peoples faces if that scheme worked. All the
Christians, Jews, and Muslims would roll up to heaven and be faced with some
mad carnival, opium pipes, and whores. It would be worth it just to see the
look on the faces of the stiff necks. They'd all be praying to be sent down
to Hell as the least worst option.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Allen Barker
> "Allen Barker" <allendotel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Za5Nm.30197$Zu5....@newsfe24.iad...
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/nyregion/10loori.html
>>
>> John Daido Loori, a photographer who found that snapping a picture
>> mirrored the instant of spiritual enlightenment, inspiring him to
>> start an influential Zen monastery in the Catskills, died on Friday in
>> Mount Tremper, N.Y. He was 78.
>
> Is there some point or opinion you'd like to share as a new and unique work
> worthy of attention and discussion, or is this just a stale press release
> newsgroup we can all pass by?
You can pass by anything you want, Charles. Please
do.
Allen Barker
> "Charles E Hardwidge"<bo...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>
>> "Allen Barker"<allendotel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Za5Nm.30197$Zu5....@newsfe24.iad...
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/nyregion/10loori.html
>>>
>>> John Daido Loori, a photographer who found that snapping a picture
>>> mirrored the instant of spiritual enlightenment, inspiring him to
>>> start an influential Zen monastery in the Catskills, died on Friday in
>>> Mount Tremper, N.Y. He was 78.
>>
>> Is there some point or opinion you'd like to share as a new and unique work
>> worthy of attention and discussion, or is this just a stale press release
>> newsgroup we can all pass by?
>
> The article appeared 40 days before it was (re)posted here.
Perhaps it was re-posted "here" in some groups, but, as far as
I know, it was never posted in alt.zen.
zenworm
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> "Lee Rudolph" <lrudo...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> > "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>
how is your Zazen practice going?
ZN :D
absolute permanent perfection overflowing without action
Tang Huyen
Ned Ludd wrote:
> "Lee Rudolph"
>
> > Ned:
>
> >> I suppose Loori is to be excused. It's not like
> >> he ordered his Zen students to fly kamikaze
> >> planes into battleships. A bandage over a
> >> anchor tattoo is probably a small thing, in the
> >> midst of the vastness of all things.
>
> > That's the *goodly* vastness of all things, ya kuzi!
>
> There are only 17 occurrences of "goodly vastness"
> on all the Internet.
>
> But one of them is truly Sandian, with its "rising
> manhood and womanhood"...
>
> -----
> If Columbia can but open heart, mind and purpose to
> this Brother Christ, this divine incarnation of fraternity
> in the heart and flesh of man; � if she can but compass
> the principle that works to the social righteousness by
> the instant and immanent laws of our common human
> evolution, the miseries of the People shall roll from
> them as the stone from the sepulcher, and their manhood
> and womanhood shall rise, filled with God, as if in all
> such goodly vastness this Christ were risen.
> - Thomas Lake Harris
> -----
>
> Ned
>
> (A rising manhood filled with God! - Whoa!)
When former Christians like Fu and DharmaTroll
rise up in anger against Christianity, they feel a
rising manhood filled with God! Indeed God
(the Christian God, that they carry in their head)
inspires them, thinks them, talks them, even when
they rebel against him. They rebel against him in
full righteousness and in his name. They live in the
breast of God.
However, whilst their manhood shall rise, filled
with God, in anger and righteousness (for whatever
the Church did to them, in extracurricular activity
or passivity, that they do not like), they do not
expand themselves into a goodly vastness, but are
strictly confined and even oppressed, as God (that
they carry in their head) beats them up from inside
and chews them up to pieces, for their rebellion
against him. The covenant is still in effect, by
free choice from them. They are walking relicts of
Jewish mythology.
Tang Huyen
Tang Huyen
Lee Rudolph wrote:
> Verily, I say unto you, there is no burlesque
> artiste like Goodly Vastness, and the Angry
> Fetus is her prophet. Or vice versa.
If you want to ease God out of your life,
grow a goodly vastness in your mind,
iow, grow your mind into a goodly
vastness, load it up with goodness of
utter purity, and he'll get lost in there. If
he gets angry, he can feel the oceanic
vastness that envelops him, the way a
fetus feels the oceanic envelope of its
mother's womb. The burlesque
containment will serve as a deadly
embrace on him and he will suffocate in
there, to good measure. If he survives,
he'll be a Dieu fain�ant, at best. Or a
Deus otiosus. As such, he can't be
blamed for being anthropomorphic, or
for causing those horrible evils in the
world, so that is an escape hatch for
him. All is well that ends well.
Tang Huyen
Charles E Hardwidge
> On 11/19/2009 04:42 PM, Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>> "Allen Barker" <allendotel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Za5Nm.30197$Zu5....@newsfe24.iad...
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/nyregion/10loori.html
>>>
>>> John Daido Loori, a photographer who found that snapping a picture
>>> mirrored the instant of spiritual enlightenment, inspiring him to
>>> start an influential Zen monastery in the Catskills, died on Friday in
>>> Mount Tremper, N.Y. He was 78.
>>
>> Is there some point or opinion you'd like to share as a new and unique
>> work worthy of attention and discussion, or is this just a stale press
>> release newsgroup we can all pass by?
>
> You can pass by anything you want, Charles. Please
> do.
Nobody had anything to say until I responded so try some STFU.
I clicked 'catch up' on 300+ unread posts in stale wankage threads.
Feel the power, bitch.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
zenworm
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> > On 11/19/2009 04:42 PM, Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
> >>news:Za5Nm.30197$Zu5....@newsfe24.iad...
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> >>>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/nyregion/10loori.html
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> >>> John Daido Loori, a photographer who found that snapping a picture
> >>> mirrored the instant of spiritual enlightenment, inspiring him to
> >>> start an influential Zen monastery in the Catskills, died on Friday in
> >>> Mount Tremper, N.Y. He was 78.
>
> >> Is there some point or opinion you'd like to share as a new and unique
> >> work worthy of attention and discussion, or is this just a stale press
> >> release newsgroup we can all pass by?
>
> > You can pass by anything you want, Charles. Please
> > do.
>
> Nobody had anything to say until I responded so try some STFU.
>
> I clicked 'catch up' on 300+ unread posts in stale wankage threads.
>
> Feel the power, bitch.
>
> --
> Charles E Hardwidge
enjoy the power of lasting self denial - "killfile"
Allen Barker
> "Allen Barker" <allendotel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zdrNm.39754$%j4.1...@newsfe18.iad...
>> On 11/19/2009 04:42 PM, Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>>> "Allen Barker" <allendotel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Za5Nm.30197$Zu5....@newsfe24.iad...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/nyregion/10loori.html
>>>>
>>>> John Daido Loori, a photographer who found that snapping a picture
>>>> mirrored the instant of spiritual enlightenment, inspiring him to
>>>> start an influential Zen monastery in the Catskills, died on Friday in
>>>> Mount Tremper, N.Y. He was 78.
>>>
>>> Is there some point or opinion you'd like to share as a new and unique
>>> work worthy of attention and discussion, or is this just a stale
>>> press release newsgroup we can all pass by?
>>
>> You can pass by anything you want, Charles. Please
>> do.
>
> Nobody had anything to say until I responded so try some STFU.
So the number of responses is what's important? But
wait:
> I clicked 'catch up' on 300+ unread posts in stale wankage threads.
>
> Feel the power, bitch.
>
Is that how you "nurture an audience"?
Maybe you could lead by example and contribute some useful
and relevant articles yourself (in place of your tiresome,
whining complaints about the content on the groups).
Lee Rudolph
Whay, you don't think it's "useful" (though perhaps not completely
"relevant") to have contributed the phrase "stale wankage thread"
to our universe of discourse?
I can foresee a day when "SWT" takes the place now held by "tl;dr"!
Hell, I can (barely) foresee a day when genetically reprogrammed
spiders, fed a diet of weeks-old masturbatory ejecta, produce fine
silk in the form, not of webs, but of pre-tailored lingerie!
... My crystal ball is clouding over. Cross my palm with silver
again, and try to see to it that it's a bit drier this time, eh?
Lee Rudolph
^@%>---*=#**
"whay" ?
Charles E Hardwidge
I have created new content and tired to nurture people in the past but it's
failed in the face of group laziness and self indulgence.
A link and copy paste article isn't new content and most of the comment
that's being attracted now is just the usual irrelevance.
I note, you've skipped past some observations of the article and are digging
the the personal attack angle more deeply.
Level up.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Charles E Hardwidge
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> I can foresee a day when "SWT" takes the place now held by "tl;dr"!
My command of innovation and markets puts Seth Godin to shame.
All hail me.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
^@%>---*=#**
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i can smell it but i can't feel it.
^@%>---*=#**
"Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
with like, softball size hail?
it's gonna make the phrenologist's
job a dream come true.
Allen Barker
You *created* the personal attack angle. Remember "attention
whore and a lazy cunt"? In response to my posting an obituary
of an actual Zen guy? There was no personal attack at all
in the thread until *you* added it.
Others are supposed to "nurture people," but you've given up
on that?
I really don't care whether you think it's "new content" or not.
It is certainly better than your personal attacks and whining
complaints about content. Some people appreciate reading such
a relevant article. If you don't then perhaps *you* should
STFU and just skip it. Hit "n".
Charles E Hardwidge
> I really don't care whether you think it's "new content" or not.
> It is certainly better than your personal attacks and whining
> complaints about content. Some people appreciate reading such
> a relevant article. If you don't then perhaps *you* should
> STFU and just skip it. Hit "n".
The evidence is against you. This thread was *effectively* dead until I
posted and /waves hand/ look at the crap that's accumulating. I can't be
bothered to create new content and usually click 'catch up' on most of the
traffic here for similar reasons.
The last time I checked people pay to read The New York Times and most
people wouldn't read these NG's even if you did pay them. No matter what you
claim or feel the reality speaks for itself. Shacks in SOWETO don't command
the same prices of Malibu real estate. Same here.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Allen Barker
> "Allen Barker" <allendotel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> I really don't care whether you think it's "new content" or not.
>> It is certainly better than your personal attacks and whining
>> complaints about content. Some people appreciate reading such
>> a relevant article. If you don't then perhaps *you* should
>> STFU and just skip it. Hit "n".
>
> The evidence is against you. This thread was *effectively* dead until I
> posted and /waves hand/ look at the crap that's accumulating. I can't be
> bothered to create new content and usually click 'catch up' on most of the
> traffic here for similar reasons.
That doesn't even make sense, Charles. And what an amazing
hypocrite you are...
Charles E Hardwidge
> On 11/20/2009 09:47 AM, Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>> "Allen Barker" <allendotel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:gOxNm.30761$X01....@newsfe07.iad...
>>
>>> I really don't care whether you think it's "new content" or not.
>>> It is certainly better than your personal attacks and whining
>>> complaints about content. Some people appreciate reading such
>>> a relevant article. If you don't then perhaps *you* should
>>> STFU and just skip it. Hit "n".
>>
>> The evidence is against you. This thread was *effectively* dead until I
>> posted and /waves hand/ look at the crap that's accumulating. I can't be
>> bothered to create new content and usually click 'catch up' on most of
>> the traffic here for similar reasons.
>
> That doesn't even make sense, Charles. And what an amazing
> hypocrite you are...
You just have a closed mind and have got too emotionally involved.
I had to deal with a similar timewaster in another NG and a flunky from the
police the other night.
Brutality has its own beauty.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
zenworm
Charles is an artiste.
Here are a few of his cynical derogatories...
(his contribution?)(a study of english cynicism?)
"smarmy pitbull crap"
"just gives credence to asshattery"
"This is a triviality so should be within your minimal grasp."
"Accept he's a controlling socially autistic twat or
settle for the slavery he's talked you into."
"The way some of you act in these groups is
mediocre, like drooling savages running riot
in a museum."
"You people are eternally scrubbing the decks and
setting the sails but your boat never leaves port."
"...the tiresome squabbling in here is just
so much low-brow dreg."
"Bringing order to the galaxy and keeping the low men
in their place is an arduous task but your fumbling
posts has not gone unnoticed."
"One strides through this with ease, and walks around
and pokes the low men to see what potentials or vanities
lie therein much like one would do with
new fruit in the market, or a novelty of science."
(relaxed and serene?)
"Your lack of awareness is betrayed by your not detecting
I was fulfilling a role...". "I expect better performance next
time unless... you wish to be replaced?"
"I find an air of purpose and sneering defeats any clever
logic or arcane handwaving. One simply looks askance
and skewers them with a beady eye."
"One doesn't have to go to the moon to know it has no air.
The cheerful optimism of these low men
never ceases to amaze."
"Why would anyone read that bullshit or
the gurning banalities in here?"
"My clarity cuts through Tang's bullshit, and my
self-control betrays the slavering animal inside you
and other low men of your ilk."
"<((Hegelian relativism? That's news to me.
Try dialectico-teleological evolutionism.)(leebert?)>
Did you read that in your dumb and chummy bluffers book,
or stick pins in a theological dictionary?"
"You're projecting again.
I expect Lee Rudolph will be along soon to analyse and waffle.
One wonders how low men maintain any dignity... "
Charles has been somewhat unimaginative of late
C'mon Charles, to coin one of your own phrases...
'level up'.
ZN ;D
jubilation for no reason owned by no one
Allen Barker
> "Allen Barker" <allendotel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:C2yNm.30762$X01....@newsfe07.iad...
>> On 11/20/2009 09:47 AM, Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>>> "Allen Barker" <allendotel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gOxNm.30761$X01....@newsfe07.iad...
>>>
>>>> I really don't care whether you think it's "new content" or not.
>>>> It is certainly better than your personal attacks and whining
>>>> complaints about content. Some people appreciate reading such
>>>> a relevant article. If you don't then perhaps *you* should
>>>> STFU and just skip it. Hit "n".
>>>
>>> The evidence is against you. This thread was *effectively* dead until I
>>> posted and /waves hand/ look at the crap that's accumulating. I can't be
>>> bothered to create new content and usually click 'catch up' on most of
>>> the traffic here for similar reasons.
>>
>> That doesn't even make sense, Charles. And what an amazing
>> hypocrite you are...
>
> You just have a closed mind and have got too emotionally involved.
I see. You insult people freely. Then, if they say anything
back, you accuse them of personal attacks, and claim that they
are just "too emotionally involved."
You complain about people not creating new content, and then
say that you can't be bothered to create new content. Do
as Charles says, not as he does.
> I had to deal with a similar timewaster in another NG and a flunky from the
> police the other night.
You're the one choosing to "waste" your own time.
> Brutality has its own beauty.
That kind of posing might have seemed cool in junior high...
Charles E Hardwidge
> On 11/20/2009 10:11 AM, Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>> Brutality has its own beauty.
>
> That kind of posing might have seemed cool in junior high...
It works but proportion and attitude matter.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Keynes
Guy in a miami old folks' home says,
"The food here is terrible." The gal
next him says, "Yes! And the portions
are so small."
liaM
That might work for the one god but not a bar-room full.
The origin of the species is all about an ever-ending brawl, no?
halfawake
> "Allen Barker" <allendotel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On 11/19/2009 04:42 PM, Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>>
>>> "Allen Barker" <allendotel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Za5Nm.30197$Zu5....@newsfe24.iad...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/nyregion/10loori.html
>>>>
>>>> John Daido Loori, a photographer who found that snapping a picture
>>>> mirrored the instant of spiritual enlightenment, inspiring him to
>>>> start an influential Zen monastery in the Catskills, died on Friday in
>>>> Mount Tremper, N.Y. He was 78.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there some point or opinion you'd like to share as a new and unique
>>> work worthy of attention and discussion, or is this just a stale
>>> press release newsgroup we can all pass by?
>>
>>
>> You can pass by anything you want, Charles. Please
>> do.
>
>
> Nobody had anything to say until I responded so try some STFU.
>
> I clicked 'catch up' on 300+ unread posts in stale wankage threads.
>
> Feel the power, bitch.
>
yes I'm sure all the dogs in the neighborhood are duly alarmed.
raru?
robert
= = = = = = =
halfawake
booo! poseur.
robert
halfawake
isn't that just the way? smelly enough, but can't deliver.
halfawake
well, bullshit from bullshit leaves bullshit, as an American sage once
said. and you are full of it.
robert
= = = = = = =
halfawake
> "Allen Barker" <allendotel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:C2yNm.30762$X01....@newsfe07.iad...
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>> On 11/20/2009 09:47 AM, Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>>
>>> "Allen Barker" <allendotel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gOxNm.30761$X01....@newsfe07.iad...
>>>
>>>> I really don't care whether you think it's "new content" or not.
>>>> It is certainly better than your personal attacks and whining
>>>> complaints about content. Some people appreciate reading such
>>>> a relevant article. If you don't then perhaps *you* should
>>>> STFU and just skip it. Hit "n".
>>>
>>>
>>> The evidence is against you. This thread was *effectively* dead until I
>>> posted and /waves hand/ look at the crap that's accumulating. I can't be
>>> bothered to create new content and usually click 'catch up' on most of
>>> the traffic here for similar reasons.
>>
>>
>> That doesn't even make sense, Charles. And what an amazing
>> hypocrite you are...
>
>
> You just have a closed mind and have got too emotionally involved.
>
> I had to deal with a similar timewaster in another NG
<snore>
and a flunky from the
> police the other night.
did you call him that to his face, asshole?
>
> Brutality has its own beauty.
>
no it doesn't you fucking moron.
robert
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"halfawake" <epste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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yes but i have the world's only
smell-o-vision computer.
Charles E Hardwidge
I couldn't give less of a shit for you if I tried. Ditto David Cameron and
his tight little mouth and wagging fist.
Labour polls up today.
Suck it down, bitch.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
liaM
>
> Labour polls up today.
>
> Suck it down, bitch.
>
Are you calling Rupert a "bitch" ?
Charles E Hardwidge
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Did that last year and may have influenced a media article that said Murdock
was losing his judgement. Later articles along this line have developed the
idea that Murdoch is vacillating and newspapers have no real power. He's
also not very popular and the Tories have been caught selecting Shadow
Cabinet members to buy (son of) Murdoch's favour.
If other newspapers get interested it's possible they might turn on The Sun
and Cameron will see his polling go pop. I've commented that the close
election date is favourable to Labour as it sharpens their mind, and gives
the Tories zero room for correcting mistakes. Hannibal's "closing the gate"
and Sun Tzu's "dead ground" strategies are similar in this regard.
I've also promoted two other strategies Labour seem wise to. A positive
focus and long term happiness, and making any TV debate campaign a long one.
Labour's tacky "Hope not hate" strategy, and avoiding head to head debates
between the leaders but going for a longer term discussion with a range of
ministers are equally notable.
Labour have their faults and have made their mistakes but I judged they were
best placed to form the best government and could win a historic fourth
term. The "left" need to develop a sense of leadership and stop squabbling.
In essence, they need to mature. Hopefully, this and a win will force the
Tories to get over themselves and politics to improve in general.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
halfawake
in your wimpy little dreams....
robert
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Charles E Hardwidge
Go to the back of the queue.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
liaM
Are you active politically ?
Charles E Hardwidge
> Are you active politically ?
I was but not now. I've still got plans and keep one eye on the media radar
but nothing more than that. Most of my focus is personal. I've been
investing a lot of time in developing a more practical and social tilt to my
life. That's taking an ice age but should pay off.
I pegged the headline chances of Labour winning the election and me hooking
some women I'm entangled with at the same percentage. It's incredibly weird
seeing similar campaign strategies unfold there. God knows what Labour's
plans are after the election, or what I'm going to do with her.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire... ;-)
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Julian
She could sort out the catering at your funerals, next year.
>
> Out of the frying pan and into the fire... ;-)
>
Nah... never left the Microwave.
Charles E Hardwidge
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> Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>> I pegged the headline chances of Labour winning the election and me
>> hooking some women I'm entangled with at the same percentage. It's
>> incredibly weird seeing similar campaign strategies unfold there. God
>> knows what Labour's plans are after the election, or what I'm going to do
>> with her.
>
> She could sort out the catering at your funerals, next year.
>>
>> Out of the frying pan and into the fire... ;-)
>
> Nah... never left the Microwave.
Well, I did say I'd never live through another fucking Tory government...
My reading of things is that Labour can still win convincingly. There's a
whole bunch of policy and polling reasons why but there you go.
Anyway, I ain't dead yet and fancy a holiday somewhere hot. A yacht or a
beach hut somewhere NOT the fucking crematorium before you mention it.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
liaM
The last thing I'd want for the good of the world, is to see a pansies
like david cameron and his minions start fiddling with the UK. Gordon
is the last of the rockers, ever since John Prescott was booted.
Concerning the question you pose about Labour and women, remember :
women win when they go into Labour :)
Julian
I guess Deripaska has a spare cabin or two.
Keynes
Wonder what he would do at 33-1/3?
DharmaTroll
wrote:
>
> When former Christians like Fu and DharmaTroll
> rise up in anger against Christianity, they feel a
> rising manhood filled with God! Indeed God
> (the Christian God, that they carry in their head)
> inspires them, thinks them, talks them,
That sounds a bit Brahmanist or Hinduist to me!
No, Tang, when Fu and I get pissed off at the Church, it's usually
when they are doing something nasty to someone. It has nothing to do
with some god in our heads inspiring us. That's silly talk. The
following, however, isn't silly, but rather sad, and something I would
think you would find as problematic as folks like Fu and I do. Do you
find this problematic, Tang? Do you?
--DharmaTroll
http://www.aworldtowin.org/wordpress/?m=axaltcvs&paged=286
Vatican: ‘’Let little girls die'’
April 7th, 2009 A World to Win News Service.
The girl was nine years old. She had been hospitalised for stomach
pains when it was discovered that she was pregnant with twins after
having been raped by her stepfather, who is thought to have been
abusing her since she was six.
Doctors determined that because she was so small (weighing 32 kilos),
her uterus couldn’t hold even one baby, let alone two. They scheduled
an abortion.
The Catholic Church, however, believes she should have been allowed to
die. The archbishop in Brazil’s northeast, where the little girl
lives, tried to block the operation. When that failed, he
excommunicated her mother and the doctors and the entire medical team
that performed it.
This case is not just a matter of the particularities of Brazil’s
downtrodden northeast region, nor the country itself. On 7 March, a
leading Vatican official, Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, replied to a
storm of protest against the excommunication from rank and file
Catholics and many others by upholding the Brazilian cleric’s action
as vital to the defense of Church doctrine. Excommunication means
being excluded from the Church and religious services. It is a
relatively rare form of punishment for challenging Catholic doctrine
and spreading ‘’division and confusion among the faithful'’. The
rapist stepfather does not face excommunication for his actions.
‘’Rape'’, said the cardinal, who is also in charge of Latin America,
‘’is less serious than abortion.'’ ‘’It’s a sad case, but the real
problem'’, he told the Italian daily La Stampa, ‘’is that the twins
conceived were two innocent persons, who had the right to live and not
be eliminated.'’
The real problem, of course, is just the opposite: both the pregnant
child and the embryos might very well have died if she had not had an
abortion, and this Vatican authority is arguing that that outcome
would have been better than saving her life through an act that
violated ‘’God’s law'’. So please don’t tell us that the Catholic
Church’s opposition to abortion is based on respect for ‘’the sanctity
of human life'’. It’s about religion and religious authority,
especially the doctrine that defines females as vessels for
childbearing. The Catholic Church’s actions in this case are not very
different from ‘’honour killings'’ of ‘’unchaste'’ women under Islam
and other religions.
Further, the special circumstances in this case have somewhat obscured
the broader issues. Brazilian law allows abortion only if the woman’s
life is in danger or if the pregnancy is the result of rape. What if
this girl hadn’t been carrying twins, and it was not known who the
father was? The fact is that the simple and basic right to decide if
and when they will have children is denied to most of the world’s
women, either by law or in fact.
Whatever divides them, proponents of Christianity, Judaism, Islam and
other religions have joined hands to keep women down. Nearly
everywhere in today’s world where there is motion around the right to
abortion, it is motion backwards. Their insistence on this aspect of
women’s oppression is part of their more general devotion to
patriarchy and the enslavement of women in the role of wife and mother
instead of their emancipation as fully equal human beings. Further, as
backward-looking as these religious movements may be, their battle is
to shape the future – to preserve and strengthen, in the face of
growing opposition and changes in material life, the dominant social
and economic relations and institutions and ideas that are what chain
the world’s women – not biology.
The Catholic Church has unleashed its divisions against legal gains in
the right to abortion, where they have been won, as well as divorce,
homosexual rights and secularism in general, and to impose ‘’the
sanctity of the family'’ by force if need be. Nowhere is this more
apparent than Spain, where the Church-sponsored movement is wrapped in
the still-lingering odour of Generalissimo Francisco Franco’s fascist
regime, but the same is true to varying degrees in Italy, Poland,
France and elsewhere. In the U.S. and other countries this battle has
been championed by legions of evangelical Protestants, in a global
political climate where the opposition to the legal right to abortion
has become respectable even among those who claim to know better.
The Catholic Church’s readiness to excommunicate a Catholic mother and
medics who saved a child’s life contrasts with another notorious
excommunication affair: Pope Benedict XVI recently lifted a
predecessor’s excommunication of a group of ultra-rightist priests
sanctioned in 1970 for defying the Church reform known as Vatican
Council II. Now Benedict is pretending to be surprised that one of the
priests he welcomed back into the folds of the Mother Church, Richard
Williamson, continues to deny the existence of Nazi gas chambers. We
say ‘’pretend'’ because Williamson’s group, the Society of St. Pius X,
was well-known for its Nazi sympathies and its opposition to any
change in the Catholic doctrine that all Jews should be held
responsible for the death of Christ. Pope Benedict plans to visit
Israel in May, thus demonstrating his ability to combine tolerance for
anti-Semitism with support for Zionism in the service of higher
interests – the defence of the unjust, intolerable and unnecessary
world order.
The Pope, at least, seems very aware of the centrality of the
oppression of women as a pillar of this order. He is not the only
guardian of the world as it is, but he is one of the most influential
and wily – a wolf in shepherd’s clothing.
possum
> Charles E Hardwidge a écrit :
>
>
>
> > "liaM" <cud...@mindless.com> wrote in message
> >news:4b096a2a$0$993$ba4a...@news.orange.fr...
it depends on how you define 'active'. here, he's a big mouth.
possum
possum
are you feeling lucky...?
possum
ps ask DT nicely, and he'll work out your odds. he loves a 'make like
a mathemetican' opportunatity so much he'll do it for nothing, and
throw in a coupla free beers and chilli dogs to boot if you dress up
like maralyn monroe and let him wear the einstein wig...
possum
is that why you missed a 'tupperware' link on the narcissism spam
post... ?
possum
> Wonder what he would do at 33-1/3?
ha!
possum
this is a very political pope. get over it. support human rights,
whether you're religious or secularist in some form. the paedophile
abuse history of the catholic church doesn't give their ' abortion's
worse than raping little children' doctrine a lot of ground to stand
on. let the pope hats defend that on gerry springer or whoever it is
these days...and their 'killing little children is better than
killing foetuses' rot..sharpen up, they're teflon coated, like tony
blair...
the girls are more important than the pope...tang's right, put
ratzslinger down DT, and wash your hands before you catch *swine flu*
and the thread has to close down...
Déjà Flu
It's "Marilyn", luv.
And if you haven't read "His Dark Materials" yet,
please include it in your Zen Training programme.
I'm about pg 700 and thinking I'll read it to the
MS-afflicted lady weekly, after her bible-study day.
Should take about a year...
Saw some chilli dogs at the pound and wondered why
they were suddenly so popular in the UK.
Izzat like fascination with Sharia law er wot?
I've applied for a horticultural skolarchip
in Microsota, btw...
--
Get the flu - it's a free experience.
possum
> possum wrote:
> > On 23 Nov, 17:36, "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> "liaM" <cud...@mindless.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:4b0aa8f1$0$889$ba4a...@news.orange.fr...
>
> >>> Are you active politically ?
> >> I was but not now. I've still got plans and keep one eye on the media radar
> >> but nothing more than that. Most of my focus is personal. I've been
> >> investing a lot of time in developing a more practical and social tilt to my
> >> life. That's taking an ice age but should pay off.
>
> >> I pegged the headline chances of Labour winning the election and me hooking
> >> some women I'm entangled with at the same percentage. It's incredibly weird
> >> seeing similar campaign strategies unfold there. God knows what Labour's
> >> plans are after the election, or what I'm going to do with her.
>
> >> Out of the frying pan and into the fire... ;-)
>
> >> --
> >> Charles E Hardwidge
>
> > are you feeling lucky...?
>
> > possum
> > ps ask DT nicely, and he'll work out your odds. he loves a 'make like
> > a mathemetican' opportunatity so much he'll do it for nothing, and
> > throw in a coupla free beers and chilli dogs to boot if you dress up
> > like maralyn monroe and let him wear the einstein wig...
>
> It's "Marilyn", luv.
do you know, i spelt it about 3 times knowing it was wrong and
thinking "who in the world can't spell marilyn? ", only, not in
letters, obviously
>
> And if you haven't read "His Dark Materials" yet,
> please include it in your Zen Training programme.
> I'm about pg 700 and thinking I'll read it to the
> MS-afflicted lady weekly, after her bible-study day.
> Should take about a year...
oy ve...a life of care...
>
> Saw some chilli dogs at the pound and wondered why
> they were suddenly so popular in the UK.
> Izzat like fascination with Sharia law er wot?
don't ask me, i'm a vegetarian...it's all char-grilled chicken and
kebabs round here...
very unfascinating, the local chippie even murders samosas...
i'd like to know whether the chippie in cockermouth got washed away or
no... personal reasons...
mike thinks that town has a very rude name. i said i didn't think it
was as rude as 'lickey end', where i was looking at a house. we
bickered briefly about which was ruder, but hadn't the energy for a
full five minute argument...
>
> I've applied for a horticultural skolarchip
> in Microsota, btw...
Microsota eh? sounds good. no idea what it means, though...
decided against the cemetary house in the end, btw..fill you in
later... : )
possum
Charles E Hardwidge
"possum" <jhk00B0S...@spambox.us> wrote in message
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> it depends on how you define 'active'. here, he's a big mouth.
That's just wrong and uncalled for, especially from you.
It reminds me of Nick Clegg's "mock hard" but it makes him into a wanker and
tailcoat success.
Get back in your box.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
possum
> "possum" <jhk00B0Sn3VdC...@spambox.us> wrote in message
>
> news:17dee6d0-ca7d-476c...@p32g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>
> > it depends on how you define 'active'. here, he's a big mouth.
>
> That's just wrong and uncalled for, especially from you.
oh really? do go first.
>
> It reminds me of Nick Clegg's "mock hard" but it makes him into a wanker and
> tailcoat success.
it's always difficult to find that balance point between vicious
satire and farce...
especially when there are other things to do. have you got anything
real to say to me personally, in view of your "especially you"
above...? my time is finite and precious...
>
> Get back in your box.
if you want tips on 'winning ways with wimmin', read tang's posts.
i don't expect you will, you're more of a 'rip your head off and
defecate down your neck' kind of guy', only more direct...i guess it
can get you like that, being a bloke...
possum
>
> --
> Charles E Hardwidge
Charles E Hardwidge
On the contrary. I have many strings to my bow and am comfortable with the
idea of collective and indirect action. Bugger the Geneva convention.
First, I'm never going to speak to you again. Secondly, I'm immediately
ceasing all charitable and business dealings with bottom tier economies for
a minimum of 10 years. I merely do nothing and somewhere in the world
someone dies because of you.
* Amnesty International pulled a stunt and they're missing out on a donation
to the value of �1000. It's not much but more than they're getting now.
That's one less hubcab for the CEO's Roller and someone may be kissing a
pair of pliers today because of their arrogance.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
possum
> "possum" <jhk00B0Sn3VdC...@spambox.us> wrote in message
>
> news:20b2b46d-730a-4e7d...@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On 24 Nov, 10:15, "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> Get back in your box.
>
> > if you want tips on 'winning ways with wimmin', read tang's posts.
>
> > i don't expect you will, you're more of a 'rip your head off and
> > defecate down your neck' kind of guy', only more direct...i guess it
> > can get you like that, being a bloke...
>
> On the contrary. I have many strings to my bow and am comfortable with the
> idea of collective and indirect action.
so long as you're comfortable with your ideas and cliches... i expect
the string comes in handy for tying up all those boxes of yours...
Bugger the Geneva convention.
cunting whore?
>
> First, I'm never going to speak to you again.
diddums...
Secondly,
LOL! that's done it! it's no good, i can't go on...
I'm immediately
> ceasing all charitable and business dealings with bottom tier economies for
> a minimum of 10 years.
bottom tier?
10 years?
immediately?
wow! words on a page did all this?
i know you're not speaking to me, but maybe you'd care to tell our
b'usenet pals how you define 'bottom tier economies' so that DT can
run a 'critical thinking' test over it. ask your ego for permission,
or if you like, i'll write you a note.
I merely do nothing and somewhere in the world
> someone dies because of you.
don't you just hate it when that happens?
>
> * Amnesty International pulled a stunt and they're missing out on a donation
> to the value of £1000. It's not much but more than they're getting now.
> That's one less hubcab for the CEO's Roller and someone may be kissing a
> pair of pliers today because of their arrogance.
that's sticking it up the Geneva convention for you. one. or is it?
what do you think you can buy?
products?
talk to keynes, you'll find him on your insult-a- idiot chart. he can
straighten you out in no time.
i'd ask you not to talk to me again until you've stopped talking like
a public authority funding bid - i have no way of knowing how
difficult i'll find it to restrain my 'inner raging fury' once it's
unleashed, and i , especially have 'issues' with these oppression
merchants, which i may well want to take out on you...you still
haven't disproved 'mouthpiece', eel-wriggler, in case you had
forgotten... but i'm tired...
possum
.
>
> --
> Charles E Hardwidge
Evelyn
Jan you are arguing with absfg's own little Caligula.
The man's a nutcase.
--
Evelyn
"Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a boundless
heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8
Charles E Hardwidge
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>
> "possum" <jhk00B0S...@spambox.us> wrote in message
> news:58fe94a9-c119-4a78...@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> Jan you are arguing with absfg's own little Caligula.
> The man's a nutcase.
Oh, shut up Evelyn. Nobody asked your opinion or to pour petrol on the
flames. I don't have time for people who take advantage or gossip behind my
back. Piss off you ungrateful backstabbing old witch.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
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"Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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can you call the post office and please
have them stop forwarding your mail
to my house? thanks !
Evelyn
"Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Pfft!
possum
Hi Ev! how are you doing?
oh, i'm not really arguing with him Ev. in fact, i've little idea
what i am doing, except i'm about to leave the house and visit my
friend who's broken her finger...
i don't know if he's attention seeking or not, in his voicing off all
over an obit thread... but his EST-er methods were asking for
something...
by for now EV, gotta run...
DT
Hey, hey, HEY!!! Don't y'all try and foist him off on *us*; he never
appeared over here until the xposting got out of hand.
If he's an ESTer, just tell him you "got it"; that seems to satisfy
them, lord knows nothing else does.
Other than that, y'all have a happy Thanksgiving.
Carry on!
DT
zenworm
if 'blokes' are blokes, what are the rest?
ZN :o
Evelyn
Hi Jan,
Good to see you too. Hope your friend is feeling better!
halfawake
only if you've got something really nasty up you. It takes years of
skill and refinement to get the essence of sludge that is Hardwidge's
social agenda.
Robert
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halfawake
If you're an asshole who punishes the innocent for personal offenses
against your grandiose unholiness, those who happened to piss you off
get no blame for anything and you not only get the blame for your own
stupid actions, but for all the obnoxious things you said to those who
supposedly offended against you. Go buy an island and be king of the
monkeys or something and keep your nasty money where it belongs, up your
ass.
For fuck's sake, thank GOD we separated from Mother England, and are no
longer caned and dungeoned by your in-bred super-cruel narcissistic
royals and nobles, who suck the shit out of the underbelly of smelly
dead crabs and think it is wonderful, lovely and brilliant. Shall I go on?
Best Regards,
Robert
= = = = = = =
Evelyn
"halfawake" <epste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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What a marvelous rant, Robert! That was pretty good! I can't deny that
Charles does seem to ask for it, and probably fully deserves it.
But I also think he must be a rather tormented guy somewhere deep down. I
think he finds this sort of speech exactly his cup of English breakfast, and
that it is kindness that really rattles his cage.
I have been around people like him, and they freak out way worse when anyone
is nice to them. They can't believe it is sincere. The truth is that he
is handicapped in this way.
Charles E Hardwidge
anything worth replying to. Big mouths and flamewars are ten a penny on the
internet. So, carry on with your passive-anger echo chamber.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
^@%>---*=#**
"Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Between Bob's speculative ranting and Evelyn's toxic gossip there isn't
> anything worth replying to.
maybe you should get a puppy
>Big mouths and flamewars are ten a penny on the
> internet.
this isn't the internet. it's
uselessnet. completely
different arrangment.
> So, carry on with your passive-anger echo chamber.
glad we now have your permission.
Ron Fuller
news:3pxPm.8968$Ym4....@text.news.virginmedia.com:
and yet , , , you still replied !
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
rfu...@freeway.net rfu...@cainsquestion.org
if you and the universe are going in the same direction
you will find that the whole world conspires for your
benefit.
Charles E Hardwidge
"Ron Fuller" <rfu...@freeway.net> wrote in message
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> "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> news:3pxPm.8968$Ym4....@text.news.virginmedia.com:
>
>> Between Bob's speculative ranting and Evelyn's toxic gossip there
>> isn't anything worth replying to. Big mouths and flamewars are ten a
>> penny on the internet. So, carry on with your passive-anger echo
>> chamber.
>
> and yet , , , you still replied !
I don't subscribe to the "uselessnet" meme or the other meme that a limited
reply is giving into bait. The fact I glossed over the main thrust of the
attack and let things hang should give you a clue.
And don't add or trim newsgroups like that especially when they're
unannounced. It's a shit trick to take a poke and spread it around or remove
someone's right to reply.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
halfawake
if you don't have time for it, maybe you should get lost. it's one
viable alternative. It would give you more time to....I dunno,
whatever; and for us it would help to halt the spread of intellectual
syphillis.
Robert
= = = = = = = = = = =
halfawake
well I wish to hell he would go SOMEWHERE. Think there's room for him
in Texas?
Charles E Hardwidge
> well I wish to hell he would go SOMEWHERE. Think there's room for him in
> Texas?
Shouting nasty propaganda and obsessing makes you look like a right wing
loon. So, another topic trashed and Bob gets his face in the news.
Powerless little wanker aren't you? Maybe you should just STFU and be nice
cuz you're beginning to look like an asshole.
"This is no time for an apprentice." LOL.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
halfawake
bye bye, little nurkey.
robert