The difference between intelligence and enlightenment
Appledog
The difference between intelligence and enlightenment could be summed
up as; intelligence knows what the truth is, but enlightenment
actually does it as a function of it's existance.
Don't under-appreciate this. Therefore, considering christianity, a
demon cannot be saved because it has no sin; it was not created with
the ability to choose 'sin'. This is why christians have a sort of
'freedom' so long as it does not lead their brother to evil, as
described in the new testament.
But this is far and away from anything to do with christianity; I use
it only as an example, and as a ruse to hide true knowledge.
If you've passed such a meagre test, I'll continue. Or rather you
will. Anyways,
Another example would be taking out the garbage. People take out the
garbage because they know if they do not, the garbage will stink and
ruin their happy home. This is a known fact. It is an experienced
fact. It is NOT intellectual knowledge. So one may say, due to
enlightenment, one takes out the garbage as a matter of course. One
does not need to think about it - one merely does it! This is
enlightenment! Yes, enlightenment is merely taking out the garbage!
So then, we know this much; enlightenment is eating when hungry and
sleeping when tired, because this is what we KNOW. And therefore the
road to such things is not cutting off thinking, but embracing it,
because we are not fish looking for water, but human beings. The road
to enlightenment is not abandoning knowledge because the tao cannot be
known; but instead coming to a full understanding of why we cannot
understand the tao. It is to wait until muddy waters become clear; not
to leap ahead with a false understanding. Do you see? We do not take
action, we allow actions to happen. This is the essence: The choice.
Not the action! The CHOICE!
And that's it.
(Note: I am currently accepting disciple applications.)
-
Son of man
> Well this one is interesting, isn't it!
>
> The difference between intelligence and enlightenment could be summed
> up as; intelligence knows what the truth is, but enlightenment
> actually does it as a function of it's existance.
>
> Don't under-appreciate this. Therefore, considering christianity, a
> demon cannot be saved because it has no sin; it was not created with
> the ability to choose 'sin'. This is why christians have a sort of
> 'freedom' so long as it does not lead their brother to evil, as
> described in the new testament.
>
> But this is far and away from anything to do with christianity; I use
> it only as an example, and as a ruse to hide true knowledge.
>
> If you've passed such a meagre test, I'll continue. Or rather you
> will. Anyways,
>
> Another example would be taking out the garbage. People take out the
> garbage because they know if they do not, the garbage will stink and
> ruin their happy home. This is a known fact. It is an experienced
> fact. It is NOT intellectual knowledge. So one may say, due to
> enlightenment, one takes out the garbage as a matter of course. One
> does not need to think about it - one merely does it! This is
> enlightenment! Yes, enlightenment is merely taking out the garbage!
Enlightenment is knowing the garbage needs taking out...the taking out
itself of the garbage requires intellect to best solve that particular
problem, i.e. We don't just toss the garbage a block down the road.
The Buddha was often praised as the most intelligent being in the
universe, or having an unmatched intellect, in addition to being
enlightened.
Déjà Flu
> Enlightenment is knowing the garbage needs taking out...the taking out
> itself of the garbage requires intellect to best solve that particular
> problem, i.e. We don't just toss the garbage a block down the road.
Bernie, what a nice surprise that was! :)
Mz Fu insists on keeping bottled water around since some of
her friends demand it. Yesterday a few bottles were emptied
and I tossed them in the trash. Her pal asked, "Why don't you
recycle those bottles?" I said, "You're looking at the wrong
end of the problem, dear." She just looked puzzled and left.
Charles E Hardwidge
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> Another example would be taking out the garbage. People take out the
> garbage because they know if they do not, the garbage will stink and
> ruin their happy home. This is a known fact. It is an experienced
> fact. It is NOT intellectual knowledge. So one may say, due to
> enlightenment, one takes out the garbage as a matter of course. One
> does not need to think about it - one merely does it! This is
> enlightenment! Yes, enlightenment is merely taking out the garbage!
>
> So then, we know this much; enlightenment is eating when hungry and
> sleeping when tired, because this is what we KNOW. And therefore the
> road to such things is not cutting off thinking, but embracing it,
> because we are not fish looking for water, but human beings. The road
> to enlightenment is not abandoning knowledge because the tao cannot be
> known; but instead coming to a full understanding of why we cannot
> understand the tao. It is to wait until muddy waters become clear; not
> to leap ahead with a false understanding. Do you see? We do not take
> action, we allow actions to happen. This is the essence: The choice.
> Not the action! The CHOICE!
>
> And that's it.
Are you people still talking about this boring bullshit? I've just spent the
past few days reading some clueless wanker in the photography newsgroups
pontificate on about professionalism. Same deal.
I'm just reading The Presentation Secrets of Steve Jobs. It's not the most
original or definitive treatment on the subject but raises issues about
simplicity, utility, and clarity you bunch miss.
One of the most powerful and longest lasting advertising campaigns ever is
credited with helping save Apple. However, the "Think Different" trademark
wasn't first publically claimed by Apple or their ad agency. Guess who?
CHANGE THE FUCKING RECORD.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Appledog
wrote:
> "Appledog" <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
You're looking at the wrong end of the problem, dear :-)
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Charles E Hardwidge
*shrug*
Talk about something real and quit being an asshole. Buddhism is more than
pseudo academic bullshit and smarmy posturing. It's also why these groups
are fucked and only the same half dozen people visit.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Appledog
wrote:
> "Appledog" <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Talking about something real would be like broadcasting your tv signal
over am radio waves. No one would pick up on it. So you have to go
broadcast over cable and then tell people the time to buy tvs which
can pick up AM signal is NOW. Right NOW! Then they don't do it, partly
because there aren't any mass consumer products likew that and mostly
because they don't really fucking care, they have their cable TV and
they are just going to keep watching it or change the channel, but
it's still cable TV.
That's why the public, in any arena, will always be bottom of the
barrel cumstains. You can see it in any population and alt.zen is no
exception. You can offer people free money on the street and they
won't take it, because of their preconceptions. There's nothing you
can do except accept a willing student.
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Charles E Hardwidge
> On Dec 4, 1:47 pm, "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>> Talk about something real and quit being an asshole. Buddhism is more
>> than pseudo academic bullshit and smarmy posturing. It's also why these
>> groups are fucked and only the same half dozen people visit.
>
> Talking about something real would be like broadcasting your tv signal
> over am radio waves. No one would pick up on it. So you have to go
> broadcast over cable and then tell people the time to buy tvs which
> can pick up AM signal is NOW. Right NOW! Then they don't do it, partly
> because there aren't any mass consumer products likew that and mostly
> because they don't really fucking care, they have their cable TV and
> they are just going to keep watching it or change the channel, but
> it's still cable TV.
>
> That's why the public, in any arena, will always be bottom of the
> barrel cumstains. You can see it in any population and alt.zen is no
> exception. You can offer people free money on the street and they
> won't take it, because of their preconceptions. There's nothing you
> can do except accept a willing student.
I'm not talking about TV or other people. You're one of half a dozen people
who have ruined these newsgroups. This isn't Buddhism or even living, it's
just fucked up self-indulgence.
Heard it all before so don't even bother starting anything.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Appledog
wrote:
> "Appledog" <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
As you wish.
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zenworm
send in the droids
ZN :D
absolute permanent perfection overflowing without action
SG
wrote:
> "Appledog" <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Peggy Lee coming your way.....
SG
herbzet
Appledog wrote:
>
> Well this one is interesting, isn't it!
Yes -- for me to /poop/ on!
--
Triumph
halfawake
I think you've got these newsgroups confused with rec.BUSINESS.snarky
what do these groups have in common: BUDDHA, BUDDHISM, ZEN.
Do you think your fucking stock reports and business strategies are of
any interest here?
Go talk to someone who cares.
Robert
= = = = = = = =
halfawake
I wish it was 1/2 dozen minus one.
You wouldn't know the Buddha if he bit you on the ass.
halfawake
and get 'em ready for the old BOHICA.
Robert
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halfawake
uh oh, Charley and Apple are heading for a breakup! Wonder if it will
make it to the "E on newsgroup" channel?
Robert
= = = = = = = =
halfawake
:)
Charles E Hardwidge
news:hfhju4$38o$5...@news.eternal-september.org...
> I think you've got these newsgroups confused with rec.BUSINESS.snarky
> what do these groups have in common: BUDDHA, BUDDHISM, ZEN.
> Do you think your fucking stock reports and business strategies are of any
> interest here?
>
> Go talk to someone who cares.
Your last five posts and 90% of your output in these groups says different.
I just ate a plate of snacks which is worth more than the weekly income of
about 500 million people. Amazingly, some of those same people may be
working in fields and factories to produce this snack. Such is the burden of
The Great White Chief. I wonder if this is how God feels...
Try adding a little interest and variety. You're boring me.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Appledog
Let it not be said that you weren't warned - that's all.
When it comes down to your opinion of me (or anything), well, you're
certainly welcome to your opinion.
-
Appledog
Yeah, thats the problem. What else is new?
-
zenworm
wrote:
> "halfawake" <epstein...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
tobasco
Appledog
What do you want, zenworm? I mean, materially or money-wise.
How much do you make an hour? We could start with a raise, if you're
interested.
-
zenworm
what are you attempting to buy?
halfawake
he wants to steal your no-self for his own non-use.
robert
halfawake
warn away, motherfucker. cryptic warnings are the last stand of the
unimaginative manipulator.
robert
halfawake
try the air outside your butthole and you may have a fresher experience.
BTW, you mean you just had a plate of mud, don't you?
robert
Charles E Hardwidge
> Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>
>> Try adding a little interest and variety. You're boring me.
>
> try the air outside your butthole and you may have a fresher experience.
>
> BTW, you mean you just had a plate of mud, don't you?
You really can't see (or don't want to see) how the obsessive and
anti-social attitudes around here just bore people or drive them away. I
have next to zero interest in pages of pseudo-psychology or wanky little
mind games. Only the half dozen or so hangers on in these groups do and even
their ranks are thinning.
Dear Leader has commanded the nation must embrace wellbeing and is
experiencing a poll bounce. Oh, goody. I'll just let myself drift in The
Dark Side of The Force and let Epstein whirl around. He may provide some
entertainment to small children and keep the pigeons away. This fits in with
the Master Plan of Dear Leader so no need to throttle him... yet.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Mist
Knowing without knowing is enlightenment
Hidden Draggin
> Knowing with knowing is deluded intelligence
> Knowing without knowing is enlightenment
Talking without knowing is bullshit.
--
Hidden Draggin - Gilbert Hansford
Don't join dangerous cults, practice safe sects!
http://twitter.com/hiddendraggin
http://hiddendraggin.posterous.com/
Appledog
That doesn't mean all cryptic warnings are made by unimaginative
manipulators.
You might consider that I have no dog in the fight, robert. I am not
making any money off your reaction. Take it or leave it, it's all on
you. Even just how you consider what I say, is on you and you alone.
-
Appledog
Your honesty.
-
liaM
> Knowing with knowing is deluded intelligence
> Knowing without knowing is enlightenment
>
>
Why the bloat ? Knowing is enough, no ?
zenworm
> Mist a écrit :
>
> > Knowing with knowing is deluded intelligence
> > Knowing without knowing is enlightenment
>
> Why the bloat ? Knowing is enough, no ?
not knowing is enough
zenworm
Why pay for silence when you can taste it yourself?
liaM
>>
>>> Knowing with knowing is deluded intelligence
>>> Knowing without knowing is enlightenment
>> Why the bloat ? Knowing is enough, no ?
>
>
> not knowing is enough
>
>
> ZN :D
> absolute permanent perfection overflowing without action
what don't you know :)
zenworm
> zenworm a écrit :> >> Mist a écrit :
>
> >>> Knowing with knowing is deluded intelligence
> >>> Knowing without knowing is enlightenment
> >> Why the bloat ? Knowing is enough, no ?
>
> > not knowing is enough
>
> > ZN :D
> > absolute permanent perfection overflowing without action
>
> what don't you know :)
exactement
AdvocatusDiablo
it all turns to shit eventually.
possum
> "halfawake" <epstein...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hfkoug$7o6$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> > Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>
> >>news:hfhju4$38o$5...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >>> I think you've got these newsgroups confused with rec.BUSINESS.snarky
> >>> what do these groups have in common: BUDDHA, BUDDHISM, ZEN.
> >>> Do you think your fucking stock reports and business strategies are of
> >>> any
> >>> interest here?
>
> >>> Go talk to someone who cares.
>
> >> Your last five posts and 90% of your output in these groups says
> >> different.
>
> >> I just ate a plate of snacks which is worth more than the weekly income
> >> of
> >> about 500 million people. Amazingly, some of those same people may be
> >> working in fields and factories to produce this snack. Such is the burden
> >> of
> >> The Great White Chief. I wonder if this is how God feels...
>
> >> Try adding a little interest and variety. You're boring me.
>
> > try the air outside your butthole and you may have a fresher experience.
>
> > BTW, you mean you just had a plate of mud, don't you?
>
> > robert
>
> > = = = = =
>
> it all turns to shit eventually.
good for the roses.
halfawake
as always, you fall back on veiled threats or images of violence,
showing what an insecure violent little fuck you really are.
Robert
Charles E Hardwidge
> Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>
>> You really can't see (or don't want to see) how the obsessive and
>> anti-social attitudes around here just bore people or drive them away. I
>> have next to zero interest in pages of pseudo-psychology or wanky little
>> mind games. Only the half dozen or so hangers on in these groups do and
>> even their ranks are thinning.
>>
>> Dear Leader has commanded the nation must embrace wellbeing and is
>> experiencing a poll bounce. Oh, goody. I'll just let myself drift in The
>> Dark Side of The Force and let Epstein whirl around. He may provide some
>> entertainment to small children and keep the pigeons away. This fits in
>> with the Master Plan of Dear Leader so no need to throttle him... yet.
>
> as always, you fall back on veiled threats or images of violence, showing
> what an insecure violent little fuck you really are.
As always, you're at the boring and humourless end of the scale in these,
mostly, windy and self-indulgent groups. My evil British multi-layered
humour looks down on your banal performance with the sort of easy sneer only
generations of breeding and a select education can develop.
As part of my own program of developing more practicality, sociability, and
meaningful experiences I've been off shooting graffiti this morning. It was
overcast so the sky is blown and the light isn't great, and I missed two ace
shots with some nice girls in the composition due to fumbling and bad
settings but, hey ho.
Between wheezing and mashing the keyboard what have you done today?
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Appledog
I'm not going to pay for silence.
-
halfawake
> "halfawake" <epste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hfnbmb$vha$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>>
>>> You really can't see (or don't want to see) how the obsessive and
>>> anti-social attitudes around here just bore people or drive them away. I
>>> have next to zero interest in pages of pseudo-psychology or wanky little
>>> mind games. Only the half dozen or so hangers on in these groups do and
>>> even their ranks are thinning.
>>>
>>> Dear Leader has commanded the nation must embrace wellbeing and is
>>> experiencing a poll bounce. Oh, goody. I'll just let myself drift in The
>>> Dark Side of The Force and let Epstein whirl around. He may provide some
>>> entertainment to small children and keep the pigeons away. This fits in
>>> with the Master Plan of Dear Leader so no need to throttle him... yet.
>>
>>
>> as always, you fall back on veiled threats or images of violence, showing
>> what an insecure violent little fuck you really are.
>
>
> As always, you're at the boring and humourless end of the scale in these,
> mostly, windy and self-indulgent groups. My evil British multi-layered
> humour looks down on your banal performance with the sort of easy sneer
> only
> generations of breeding and a select education can develop.
Like I said you've got the pretensions of a Mussolini and the same sense
of art and charm.
Banal threats and images of suggestive violence are not "multi-layered."
They're just crass. You must be the product of generations of
carefully bred monkeys and select education for the dimensionally
challenged.
>
> As part of my own program of developing more practicality, sociability,
that's a laugh
and
> meaningful experiences I've been off shooting graffiti this morning. It was
> overcast so the sky is blown and the light isn't great, and I missed two
> ace
> shots with some nice girls in the composition due to fumbling and bad
> settings but, hey ho.
>
> Between wheezing and mashing the keyboard what have you done today?
now that was funny. touche� must be that time of the month when you
actually say something worthwhile.
robert
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herbzet
Hi, Charles.
Just wanted to say that your posts over the last week or so
have been pretty good -- it's mostly wankage in these ngs
lately. Except for Tang, of course.
Your posts don't really have any buddhist content either, but
at least you are making the contribution of pointing out the
self-indulgent smarm that passes for buddhism here.
I leave absfg off this post, because there is no pretense
there that they're trying to do anything but entertain
themselves.
With regard to Robert, he just doesn't care for your style at
all, apparently -- but to give credit, his insults are literate
and witty, however misdirected in this case.
When you subtract the fucktards, and people's responses to the
fucktards, there's virtually nothing left, sadly.
Well, that's off my chest, thanks.
--
hz
Charles E Hardwidge
news:4B2098EC...@gmail.com...
>
> Just wanted to say that your posts over the last week or so
> have been pretty good -- it's mostly wankage in these ngs
> lately. Except for Tang, of course.
>
> Your posts don't really have any buddhist content either, but
> at least you are making the contribution of pointing out the
> self-indulgent smarm that passes for buddhism here.
>
> I leave absfg off this post, because there is no pretense
> there that they're trying to do anything but entertain
> themselves.
>
> With regard to Robert, he just doesn't care for your style at
> all, apparently -- but to give credit, his insults are literate
> and witty, however misdirected in this case.
>
> When you subtract the fucktards, and people's responses to the
> fucktards, there's virtually nothing left, sadly.
>
> Well, that's off my chest, thanks.
I'm getting more mileage out of alt.photography. In many ways it maps one to
one with these groups but has better bandwidth and, from time to time, I get
to opine on the Tao, Zen, and strategy. Ultimately, I have more to show for
the effort and there's less wankage clogging the place up.
People don't absorb much of long essays or respond well to emotionalising,
and the cross-posting to absfg just magnifies that. More practicality and
empathy, and dropping the cross posting would create an immediate
improvement. I've already "fixed" alt.photography and it shows.
Alan Browne is the equivalent of Tang. He had a tendency to write
knowledgeable but windy posts, lack the practical and personal touch, and
cross-posted. I nailed his hide to the wall. John Sisker is another Robert
Epstein and he went down in flames before he got started.
If you want to map the previous paragraph to taking on Labour ideologues and
smacking down Tory campaigning go right ahead. For a nobody I've done pretty
well to shape the argument that Labour can win, and many terms and articles
in the media have followed where I've led.
When I discuss business, games, or politics these are metaphors for Taoism,
Buddhism, and strategy. Indeed, my approach to photography including,
composition theory and shooting in public, and the results I capture are a
ragged but textbook case. Improvement will come in time.
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/jp-composition-intro.shtml
http://www.vasculata.com/minor_white%201.htm
I'm talking less and less, and not paying much attention to the negative
tone some people have taken. If I keep up with taking photos and do the blog
I've been planning it won't matter. Again, you can see the metaphor of
big politics such as the investment led recovery in there.
--
Charles E Hardwidge
Mist
> Knowing with knowing is deluded intelligence
> Knowing without knowing is enlightenment
Intellectual knowing is based on a body of knowledge, experiences -
present and past life, conditioning, assumptions - subtle and gross
etc. All of these lies within the domain of sensory perception. Even
highly abstracted knowledge and philosophers finally reduce down to
our senses.
Insightful knowledge has no such intellectual baggages. It is knowing
in an instance without any intervening thinking or fabrication. When
directed and expressed the intellect is then engaged and the
insightful knowing is then framed within the context of the listener.
zenworm
listening is the context?
Déjà Flu
What incredible rubbish. Do you make this shit
up yourself or do you use a woo-generator?
--
Ubi dubium ibi libertas
zenworm
the rest is lies
ZN :D _/|\_
Lee
"zenworm" <zens...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>the rest is lies
it may be lies when you rest
but when i rest it is certainly true.
zenworm
> "zenworm" <zensp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
you make all the difference
to the truth of certainty?
see... lies
many know to let go of lies...
few know to let go of truth
in certainty where do you lie?
ZN :D _/|\_
Lee
it makes its own
>see... lies
smell lies too
>many know to let go of lies...
>few know to let go of truth
i don't hold it it is just rest
>in certainty where do you lie?
half way between
Appledog
Then stop lying.
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Lee
"Appledog" <oliver....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>Then stop lying.
you first
zenworm
effortless?
ZN :D _/|\_
herbzet
How nice! How unexpected!
A literary allusion that kinda sorta almost makes sense.
I can't wait to see the 'dorks witty riposte!
--
hz
brian mitchell
>Mist wrote:
>> Intellectual knowing is based on a body of knowledge, experiences -
>> present and past life, conditioning, assumptions - subtle and gross
>> etc. All of these lies within the domain of sensory perception. Even
>> highly abstracted knowledge and philosophers finally reduce down to
>> our senses.
>>
>> Insightful knowledge has no such intellectual baggages. It is knowing
>> in an instance without any intervening thinking or fabrication. When
>> directed and expressed the intellect is then engaged and the
>> insightful knowing is then framed within the context of the listener.
>
>What incredible rubbish. Do you make this shit
>up yourself or do you use a woo-generator?
Krishnamurti says very much the same about thought vs direct insight
so I suppose in your puritan frenzy you've thrown him overboard too,
though it's hard to imagine anyone more austere than K.
AdvocatusDiablo
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I'd pay for your silence.
AdvocatusDiablo
"Lee" <origi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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his lips are moving.
AdvocatusDiablo
"Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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i ate and took a shit. and that's the important stuff....
my god chuck, you have a highly developed self esteem.
>
> --
> Charles E Hardwidge
AdvocatusDiablo
"possum" <jhk00B0S...@spambox.us> wrote in message
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good for the roses.
-------------
you shit on your roses?
halfawake
house of cards.
robert
Appledog
wrote:
> "Appledog" <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
How much?
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Ali
>Son of man wrote:
>> On Dec 3, 1:16 pm, Appledog <oliver.rich...@gmail.com> wrote:
>...
>> Enlightenment is knowing the garbage needs taking out...the taking out
>> itself of the garbage requires intellect to best solve that particular
>> problem, i.e. We don't just toss the garbage a block down the road.
>
>Bernie, what a nice surprise that was! :)
>
>Mz Fu insists on keeping bottled water around since some of
>her friends demand it. Yesterday a few bottles were emptied
>and I tossed them in the trash. Her pal asked, "Why don't you
>recycle those bottles?" I said, "You're looking at the wrong
>end of the problem, dear." She just looked puzzled and left.
Joshu came along and threw Deja Flu in the trash.
Bernie was enlightened
AdvocatusDiablo
How much?
-
it ought to be at least worth my two cents.
Déjà Flu
And they both lived happily forever after.
Yo Ali!
Appledog
Sadly no. But, it's the thought that counts. If you wish, you could
always stop reading my posts.
-
AdvocatusDiablo
-----------
how much does that pay?
-
Appledog
If you stop reading my posts, I'll pay you $15 an hour. But here's the
deal; if you ever read one of my posts again for any reason, you
forfeit the money.
-
Tang Huyen
AdvocatusDiablo wrote:
> "Appledog"
>
> Sadly no. But, it's the thought that counts. If
> you wish, you could always stop reading my
> posts.
>
> -----------
>
> how much does that pay?
It would greatly help the people who
cannot take mere words on the screen
to be able to not read posts that disturb
them, given that they know from years
of experience the people whose posts
do just that, reliably.
Tang Huyen
AdvocatusDiablo
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i'll take $20 an hour ...i have paypal.
Appledog
Ok fine, $20 an hour. Just stop reading my posts and the money will be
yours.
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