Voices for Expansion of Tahirih TheAlogy by Starr* Saffa
Primal Point
In my book, "Tahirih TheAlogy:Female Cosmic Christ Spirit of the Age" I
explain that some of the concepts may seem revolutionary to some and
my work is ground breaking in many areas. However, in the book, I put
forward the 'hope' that others will expand on the themes therein in
times to come as did the author of this post when referring to my work.
From: Wahid Azal [mailto:wahidaza...@yahoo.com.au]
Sent: Sunday, 9 January 2005 5:32 PM
To: goldcoast_mag...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [goldcoast_magick] Re: Living and Creating
Love as thou wilt!
For those who don't know, the Tahirih Path refers to Iran's 19th
century feminist patron saint, martyr, inspired mystical poet and
Bayani leader, Tahirih Qurrat'ul-'Ayn (d. 1852). She also happens to be
my great-great-great grandmother. Izzitrip has published a book
recently which pays homage to the spirituality of this great woman
while forging a path in her name. If ecstatic Sufism met Wicca, this is
what Izzitrip has truly begun laying the groundwork for in her book.
I've translated one of Tahirih's longer poems from the original
Persian. I'll upload it in the files section.
Wahid
--- In goldcoast_mag...@yahoogroups.com, "izzitrip" <izzitrip@y...>
wrote:
> Aloha
> Because our magick is living and ever-creating in the Great Work I
> have added the Sacred Symbol of the Tahirih Path to the photo
> section and an explanation in the files. It has been accepted into
> the matrix and has great healing powers.
> IZZI*
Tahirihqurratu'l-Ayn (aka as Starr* Saffa using Izzitrip as an email
handle).
Primal Point
the Bab as the Word.
Also, I wanted to add that the well known author of over six books, Dr
Charmaine Saunders, has written in discussing Tahirih TheAlogy -----
"On top of all this, Starr has chosen to write a revolutionary book,
one that will divide opinion and divide people, create discussion and
argument, maybe even offend and provoke criticism. This takes a special
brand of courage. I've come to understand in life that it's not being
right or wrong that matters, not being conventional or rebellious, but
being true to your own inner voice, finding the courage to speak that
truth, no matter what. Starr has courage to spare and is a walking
embodiment of her name - she already is a star! "
Dr. Charmaine Saunders
Perth, Australia August 2005
Sufi Bahá'í
that live in 19th C Iran. The Tahirih you have is the sum total of
your experiences. It is a "new age" Tahirih. Almost no primary source
materila is used, you do not understand the mystical tradition from
which Tahirih was writing, you quote her only once. If you called your
book Saffa Thealogy, you'd be far closer to what it's about.
Primal Point
Sufi Bahá'í wrote:
> But the book is about Star Saffa, not Tahirih, at least not the Tahirih
> that live in 19th C Iran.
The circumstances of Tahirih's life and Her core teachings are
presented for the day in which we are living in the book and provides a
variety of solid references. I made my declaration as the return of
Tahirih-Qurratu'l-Ayn's mission in 2001, and in that declaration made
it known I was imubed with her Spirit.
In the Persian Bayan the Bab states that the day of the return of the
Letters of the Living was to be feared (wahid v, 2).
I would say this is especially true in the case of Tahirih, for her
esoterical teachings would finally be unpacked and made available to
the generality of humankind in a way that is meaningful to them. In so
doing the Maid of Heaven thwarts over one hundred and sixty years of
men suppressing the knowledge, concealing inner meanings and truth,
perpetrating patriarchy, and arguing with one another as to who has the
right interpretation.
The thing that is unique about the return of the Letters of the Living
is that in this day Everyone can raise to that station - and that is
something for religions and governments to 'fear' as they seek control
over the hearts and minds of the people, and obedience to their
agendas.
<It is a "new age" Tahirih.>
Yes of course - all writings call for truths to come forward in a 'new
age' - even bahai doctrine is full of the term 'new age' and puts forth
all kinds of teachings in that light.
Qurratu'l-Ayn*
Sufi Bahá'í
website is free of any information on 'what she is a doctor of. She
appears to be a minor Australian version of Dr. Phil. talking mainly to
high schools and TAFEs. Not that there is anything wrong with that,
I'm guessing she makes a fair amount of cash that way and we all have
to put bread on the table. But a review by a personal friend who
publishes "fluff" doesn't really count as a review.
Really the book is based on Tahirih = Star Saffa, so what ever Star
Saffa thinks, Tahirih thinks and vice versa. An interesting premise
but only if Star Saffa is an interesting person.
It's a mix of "New Age" gobbledy gook with a light brush on history. A
book that you can put in your toilet reading materials and what's that
symbol with the two wonderwoman tits?
All Bad
Primal Point wrote:
> In my book, "Tahirih TheAlogy:Female Cosmic Christ Spirit of the Age" I
> explain that some of the concepts may seem revolutionary to some and
> my work is ground breaking in many areas. However, in the book, I put
> forward the 'hope' that others will expand on the themes therein in
> times to come as did the author of this post when referring to my work.
>
>
> From: Wahid Azal [mailto:wahidaza...@yahoo.com.au]
> Sent: Sunday, 9 January 2005 5:32 PM
> To: goldcoast_mag...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [goldcoast_magick] Re: Living and Creating
>
>
> Love as thou wilt!
>
>
> For those who don't know, the Tahirih Path refers to Iran's 19th
> century feminist patron saint, martyr, inspired mystical poet and
> Bayani leader, Tahirih Qurrat'ul-'Ayn (d. 1852). She also happens to be
> my great-great-great grandmother. Izzitrip has published a book
> recently which pays homage to the spirituality of this great woman
> while forging a path in her name. If ecstatic Sufism met Wicca, this is
>
>
Oh girl!
Nima wrote that a year ago. Since then he's read your book. Remember,
he did not think that urine therapy really fit in?
"your book is literary garbage squared,"
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/1e49246d501885d2
"I will begin by saying that TAHIRIH THEALOGY has disappointed me
tremendously because it is about anything but Tahirih
Qurrat'ul-'Ayn. It is mainly a work of very superficial New Age
fluff that has as much to do with Qurrat'ul-'Ayn as sulphurous
fumes have to lightning. Let's get this straight from the get-go:
TAHIRIH THEALOGY is about Ms Starr Saffa and her own ideas. It is not
- repeat NOT -- about Tahirih Qurrat'ul-'Ayn. It is not even a
panegyric set to prose regarding Qurrat'ul-'Ayn, which would've
been fine in and of itself. Even the most sophisticated of
postmodernist intellectual contortions cannot make this out to be a
work about Tahirih. What it is, is an assembly of hodge-podge, half
digested ideas with Tahirih as an afterthought."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/723fb95eaf1b79d3
- All Bad
Primal Point
Sufi Bahá'í wrote:
> Saunders is not an academic and possesses no academic credentials. He
> website is free of any information on 'what she is a doctor of. She
> appears to be a minor Australian version of Dr. Phil. talking mainly to
> high schools and TAFEs.
You are ill-informed, as Dr. Saunders is actually very much respected,
not only as an author, academic, prolific writer of newspaper columns,
TV personality, international lecturer, and counselor.
All that aside, I thank you Sufi-bahai for reading the book I sent out
in good faith to the Gold Coast. I did know that the carrier went down
to Byron Bay - the center for new agers and beach bums (as the media
reports). When one writes books that are iconoclastic and ground
breaking, one can expect distraction from those whose beliefs are
threatened. It is always easier to criticize someone else's work
rather than create anything yourself, whether qualified to criticize or
not. There are some whose first reaction is to shoot the messenger.
Thank you, too, Sufi-bahai for showing your face as the source and
string master of betrayal and the unfounded attack on my work. So
Sufi-bahai and Sufi-babi sat down on the Byron Bay beach 'smoking'
and found their Sufi and Iranian connections in a bond of oneness to
come up with the polemic based in a common language of distraction.
I congratulate you on your ability to puppeteer a double whammy -
divide and conquer, maneuvering a 'so called' voiced proponent of
bahai opposition to turn on its own, while two peas in a pod end up
serving the bahai apologetic agenda. You have achieved craftsmanship in
engineering such a coup and I expect you have received hefty payment
for your performance in some manner shape or form. I thank you for
exposing the true colors of your mate.
Because Tahirih Thealogy is such a positive book I was surprised by
what Dr. Saunders wrote; yet she was correct when she clearly stated
the case of what I could expect from those who feel threatened by
ground breaking and iconoclastic writing. I was surprised however, that
you mock the two five pointed stars since they are the same symbols you
bahais use in your representations......although identified differently
in mine.
However, the real missions of Tahirih TheAlogy is to empower the
individual, unite East and West, and advance civilization by exclaiming
truths which leave the dogmas in the past. Through that mission may you
some day benefit, other than financially and egotistically, and abandon
agendas born of the negative aspects of cultural imprinting and fearful
belief systems that no longer serve. Btw, some of the best books are
read in the john. If you ever write a book it might get such treatment,
but then some people rather be 'engineers of various agendas' than
write books, so you may never personally know.
May humanity find a way to create a more civilized civilization for the
dwellers in this plane of existence -----Q*
Primal Point
In my book, "Tahirih TheAlogy:Female Cosmic Christ Spirit of the Age",
I
explain that some of the concepts may seem revolutionary to some and
my work is ground breaking in many areas.
(first edition was published by UsForOz publishing in the later part of
2004, second editon with Zeus Publishin in 2005)
However, in the book, I put forward the 'hope' that others will expand
on the themes therein in times to come. After reading my book the
author of the following post said much the same.
From: Wahid Azal [mailto:wahidaza...@yahoo.com.au]
Sent: Sunday, 9 January 2005 5:32 PM
To: goldcoast_mag...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [goldcoast_magick] Re: Living and Creating
Love as thou wilt!
For those who don't know, the Tahirih Path refers to Iran's 19th
century feminist patron saint, martyr, inspired mystical poet and
Bayani leader, Tahirih Qurrat'ul-'Ayn (d. 1852). She also happens to be
my great-great-great grandmother. Izzitrip has published a book
recently which pays homage to the spirituality of this great woman
while forging a path in her name. If ecstatic Sufism met Wicca, this is
what Izzitrip has truly begun laying the groundwork for in her book.
I've translated one of Tahirih's longer poems from the original
Persian. I'll upload it in the files section.
Wahid
--- In goldcoast_mag...@yahoogroups.com, "izzitrip" <izzitrip@y...>
wrote:
> Aloha
> Because our magick is living and ever-creating in the Great Work I
> have added the Sacred Symbol of the Tahirih Path to the photo
> section and an explanation in the files. It has been accepted into
> the matrix and has great healing powers.
> IZZI*
Tahirihqurratu'l-Ayn (aka as Starr* Saffa using Izzitrip as an email
handle).
Sufi Bahá'í
am well familliar with "New Age" ideas, your work would fit in well in
Byron Bay. It actually reads more like something someone in Nimbin
would have wrote, you need to toke up a bit to follow it's flows and
ebs.
What I am arguing for is "truth in labelling." If someone is looking
for a book on Tahireh, the historical figure, the Babi in 19th Century
Iran, then they might be temped to look at your book. There is nothing
in you book that really looks at her in any depth. The book's
philosophy is a collection of "New Age" beliefs. It doesn't look at
the Sufi schools that the Babi religion emerges from. I agree with
Wahid's comments, what you do with Tahirih is what we mainstream
Baha'is do, make her into an image of ourselves. There is no attempt
at understanding of what she really was about. She is mearly a tool to
get your ideas through
As for Saunders, well her web page lists every public talk she's ever
given and probably then some but no academic credentials. Her
publications include a piece for "Family Circle," which, the last time
I looked was not a peer reviewed journal Maybe she has a real
doctorate but clearly she puts no importance on it, so neither do I.
Even if she does possess an earneed doctorate it isn't in Religion or
History. I am willing to be that she is either your mate or your
psychologist or both.
My point is that only one person who is even remotely qualified to
review your book, Wahid, has given it five phooeys. He's right, it's
the old Baha'i talking, just with an altered message.
And please do explain about the urine.
wahid...@gmail.com
She isn't even the Dr Phil of OZ, let alone to be remotely qualified to
be giving a balanced review of your rag. If either one of those two
names above gives a positive review of your rag, that is one thing.
Saunders reviewing @Saffa StupidAology@ is like Geraldo thinking he can
say anything intelligent about the Theory of Relativity.
You are an idiot, and so is that Saunders.
W
Primal Point
addressed in Tahirih TheAlogy, backed up by well known secondary source
writers such as Lawson, Amanat and the like. Obviously you have a
stake in keeping the figure of Tahirih Qurratu'l-Ayn in a static
patriarchal contextualization with her true status concealed, and
therefore give false testimony re the contents.
Middle Eastern folk who have read the book are pleased with my
treatment of the true life of Tahirih and her teachings, and therefore
your obfuscation and detraction is of no import.
Of course you are not qualified to know if whaid is qualified to say
anything at all....Inf act his book of Truth is so unintelligible many
have said it sounds like he is insane - that's why it isn't published
anywhere, or read by anyone - I found it to be a narsistic piece
composed of his own made up language calling for worship of himself and
Azal. If you can unpack meaning from it do so.
He did write something that makes real sense once! Read alound these
words of wahid azal (nima hazini) that he wrote after reading my book
and before you pushed his 'Iranain-Islamic buttons which caused a
manufactured polemic.
"Izzitrip (Starr*) HAS PUBLISHED A BOOK RECENTLY WHICH PAYS HOMAGE TO
THE SPIRITUALITY OF THIS GREAT WOMAN WHILE FORGING A PATH IN HER NAME.
IF ESTATIC SUFISM MET WICCA, THIS IS WHAT IZZITRIP (STARR*) HAS TRULY
BEGUN LAYING THE GOURNDWORK FOR IN HER BOOK."
Intelligent and spiritual readers of Tahirih TheAlogy will make up
their own minds....as many have done and find it has impacted their
lives in a most positive way. The messianic figure of Tahirih has the
potential to uplift the people from which she sprang and my book helps
to make that possible. I don't really have time to spend on trb at the
moment so I won't be contributing much to this thread.
TahirihQurratu'l-Ayn*
All Bad
Primal Point wrote:
> In my book, "Tahirih TheAlogy:Female Cosmic Christ Spirit of the Age",
> I
> explain that some of the concepts may seem revolutionary to some and
> my work is ground breaking in many areas.
>
It looks like you are basicly just repeating yourself in the first
posting of the thread, and completely ignoring the point I raised, that
after Nima read the book, he panned the book as a bunch of
autobiographical BS w/ little in common with his GA.
Hello? Hello? Anybody home in there?
- All Bad
Primal Point
All Bad wrote:
> Primal Point wrote:
>
> > In my book, "Tahirih TheAlogy:Female Cosmic Christ Spirit of the Age",
> > I
> > explain that some of the concepts may seem revolutionary to some and
> > my work is ground breaking in many areas.
> >
>
> It looks like you are basicly just repeating yourself in the first
> posting of the thread, and completely ignoring the point I raised, that
> after Nima read the book, he panned the book as a bunch of
> autobiographical BS w/ little in common with his GA.
>
> Hello? Hello? Anybody home in there?
>
> - All Bad
he had READ the 2004 edition several times when he wrote:
"Izzitrip (Starr*) HAS PUBLISHED A BOOK RECENTLY WHICH PAYS HOMAGE TO
THE SPIRITUALITY OF THIS GREAT WOMAN WHILE FORGING A PATH IN HER NAME.
IF ESTATIC SUFISM MET WICCA, THIS IS WHAT IZZITRIP (STARR*) HAS TRULY
BEGUN LAYING THE GOURNDWORK FOR IN HER BOOK."
LOL, his inane analysis came later after Sufi Bahai pushed his hate
Westerner's -Iranian's- are-superior-and-all-knowing button while
sitting on mushrooms out on the beach in byron bay - and you know it
mr. all bad bahai.
We all know you just love obfuscation and repeating what deflects from
the truth revealing Tahirih's true messianic station. Since when did
you start worshipping nima? Don't forget he once received the message
"She is God the light of the living love in the heavens and the earth'
- maybe you will take up the invocation too so you can become 'all
good' for a change.
Qurratu'l-Ayn*
Sufi Bahá'í
traditions that Tahirih comes from than the rest of us do, because
instead of wasting his time with idiotic things like Ramtha he actually
studied the original sources.
You exhibit the typical Byron Bay persona, if it's scientific or based
on some well-researched work then it's rubbish. Your book has about as
much to do with the REAL Tahirih as "Alice in Wonderland." Someday
some one will do a real historical study on Tahirih, without the
blinkers on, clearly that isn't you.
Go ahead, peddle your book, maybe you can get enough followers to built
that ashram in Byron Bay you so clearly desire, where people will sit
and meditate on your hodge podge theories. I've thought of it my self,
you just need to through in a few hindi or sanscrit words and you have
it made.
All Bad
Cinder in the eyes wrote:
> All Bad wrote:
>
>>Big claims wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In my book, "Tahirih TheAlogy:Female Cosmic Christ Spirit of the Age",
>>>I
>>>explain that some of the concepts may seem revolutionary to some and
>>>my work is ground breaking in many areas.
>>>
>>
>>It looks like you are basicly just repeating yourself in the first
>>posting of the thread, and completely ignoring the point I raised, that
>>after Nima read the book, he panned the book as a bunch of
>>autobiographical BS w/ little in common with his GA.
>>
>>Hello? Hello? Anybody home in there?
>>
>>- All Bad
>
>
>
> he had READ the 2004 edition several times when he wrote:
>
> "Izzitrip (Starr*) HAS PUBLISHED A BOOK RECENTLY WHICH PAYS HOMAGE TO
> THE SPIRITUALITY OF THIS GREAT WOMAN WHILE FORGING A PATH IN HER NAME.
>
>
> IF ESTATIC SUFISM MET WICCA, THIS IS WHAT IZZITRIP (STARR*) HAS TRULY
> BEGUN LAYING THE GOURNDWORK FOR IN HER BOOK."
>
Starr, can you translate that, the intersection of Sufiism and Wicca?
It may sound good to you, but it is just blather, it does not mean anything.
> LOL, his inane analysis came later after Sufi Bahai pushed his hate
Don't blame Sufi. His inane analysis about traditional pre-Christian
Indo European religion, and expressionism, was the intersection of just
him and you.
> Westerner's -Iranian's- are-superior-and-all-knowing button while
You are the one with the xenophobic race button, Starr. Just because
you don't see it, does not mean everyone else doesn't see it; it just
means that you are in denial about your anti-Iranian racism.
> sitting on mushrooms out on the beach in byron bay - and you know it
> mr. all bad bahai.
>
I don't deny that the broken clock is wrong plenty of times. However
the clock can be right once or twice a day. The fact of this case,
though, is that you are touting an endorsement from Nima, which everyone
knows he has withdrawn, regardless, for now, of the possible merits of
your book.
> We all know you just love obfuscation and repeating what deflects from
Now turning to the possible merits of your book, you've written
_nothing_ here of much consequence. You are one of the most pro-foundly
fat-headed no-nothings that I've had the fortune to acquaint myself
with. Not only are you a profoundly fat-headed no-nothing, but at some
level, you are aware of that truth, and that is why you snatch at new
handles, progressively extending claims of greatness implicit in titles
of the Bab and Tahirih. Remember, you've posted as JoBeth Claudia Starr
Saffa Blah Blah Yadda yadda before posting as the Primal Point, the
Mystic Maid of Heaven, and God Herself. You change handles in an effort
to get new readers because you know the old readers have pegged you as a
drone-on nitwit.
> the truth revealing Tahirih's true messianic station. Since when did
I've been on to the true messianic station of Tahirih for some time. I
told Nima before I realized that She was a Great Ancestor of his. There
are two kinds of people (really one kind) who see God: the Holy and the
Pure. Those Who truly see God, rather than seeing God in everything,
are the Friend of God, the Manifestation of God. I knew this before I
logged on to ARB in 1998, or whenever. You, though, are not purity.
You are impurity. You are claims beyond substance, a figment of reality.
> you start worshipping nima? Don't forget he once received the message
Oh yeah, Nima has been getting lot of messages from the Mother ship, the
Cousin ship, and the Coo Coo Clock. Be that as it may, he has WITHDRAWN
his endorsement of your book. Get a clue, already: Garbage Squared.
> "She is God the light of the living love in the heavens and the earth'
> - maybe you will take up the invocation too so you can become 'all
> good' for a change.
>
> Qurratu'l-Ayn*
>
You are the cinder in the eyes, not the Solace of the Eyes.
Is this Charmain_e_ Saunders you are referring to, or another one of
your own handles, cleverly crafted to sound like anyone other than you?
- All Bad
Primal Point
to 'love'.
"If thou lovest me not, My love and wisdom can in no way reach thee,
know this O servant!"
Honestly, if I hadn't met the broken clock in person I would have
thought you were one and the same person - especially in view of your
long working relationship with each other.
Dr Charmaine Sunders is one of Peth's best known and most respected
counsellors, with some 21 years experience in the field. Charmaine is
the the author of six books, and has written for many of Australia's
major newspapers and magazines. She also facilites seminars, teaches
university courses, is a sought after public speaker and has produced
her own series of self-help audio cassettes. She writes:
Dr. Charmaine Saunders speaks about "Tahirih TheAlogy" by Starr*
Saffa
When I was asked to say a few words at Starr's book launch, I didn't
feel qualified to speak in depth about the content so I chose to
discuss the writing process. Having penned 6 books myself, I feel like
an old veteran in the publishing war.
I had a dream beginning to my life as an author insofar as a publisher
approached me rather than the other way round. He was from Singapore
and after the book was a physical reality, he left me with 2000 copies
in boxes and returned to his own country. It fell to me to promote the
book and I knew zero about marketing. Somehow, through persistent
door-knocking, I got myself on The Midday show and into newspapers and
on radio. In the end, overtime, we sold 10,000 copies of that first
book. It was incredibly hard work so I'm always happy to help out any
new writers with tips, leads, contacts, shortcuts, whatever can make
the journey easier.
Writing is, by its very nature, a solitary pursuit. It requires great
self-belief to take an idea you've birthed and make it into something
tangible, something you have created out of your soul and now have to
hand over to strangers - publishers, editors, distributors, booksellers
and scariest of all, readers! People who are going to judge your work
objectively and perhaps harshly. It is your baby and you can't expect
anyone else to believe in your child, your dream unless you do; in
fact, writing a book is a lot like birthing. When I wrote my first
book, I used an electronic typewriter and not being a typist, found it
very difficult. The friend who shared my house at the time was an
unemotional, scientific type and would often come home to see me at the
typewriter, with tears streaming down my face, saying, `This is like
giving birth - it hurts!'
On top of all this, Starr has chosen to write a revolutionary book, one
that will divide opinion and divide people, create discussion and
argument, maybe even offend and provoke criticism. This takes a special
brand of courage. I've come to understand in life that it's not being
right or wrong that matters, not being conventional or rebellious, but
being true to your own inner voice, finding the courage to speak that
truth, no matter what. Starr has courage to spare and is a walking
embodiment of her name - she already is a star!
Dr. Charmaine Saunders
Perth, Australia August 2005
*Remember Mr.All Bad Baha'i (Pat Kholie) that you were instructed to
not address me in any manner shape or form, and that injunction still
holds until you are prepared to clean up your hate mongering and bahai
apolgetic machinations.
The ever-living Qurratu'l-Ayn*
wahid...@gmail.com
>addressed in Tahirih TheAlogy
Quote the page numbers. I'll post it here. Your fat, senile backside
will be toast.
W
wahid...@gmail.com
know this O servant!"
This is Husayn 'Ali Nuri's rip-off of a hadith qudsi, dumb fool! If you
are a Qurrati Babi, why are you quoting from an avowed enemy of Qurrati
Babism?
You are an utter disgrace to everything the Bayan represents!
W
wahid...@gmail.com
>on some well-researched work then it's rubbish.
You are hanging out with the wrong crowd, mate! Those are the Byron
posers. The rest of us scoff at those wannabes.
W
wahid...@gmail.com
>that ashram in Byron Bay you so clearly desire,
She's got some stiff competition. Besides, here in Byron there are
people who actually are Psychic and Telekinetic. Saffa would be laughed
to scorn and run out of town.
W
All Bad
Mrs. Hymen wrote:
> LOL - They say hate (as your post expresses for me) is in relationship
> to 'love'.
>
My post? I think fear is the opposite of hate. I neither hate you, nor
fear you. My previous post was an honest assessment of you. Had your
read it, and understood it, you might realize that a) I do not consider
you a threat to be hated, or feared; I thought that was explicit; b) yo
might consider the implication, that I am giving you an opportunity to
clean up your act, by pointing your act out to you; it looks like you
dodged that one, too.
> "If thou lovest me not, My love and wisdom can in no way reach thee,
> know this O servant!"
>
Not to worry. I love Baha'u'llah, such that Baha'u'llah's love reaches
me. Consider the situation of the poser, though. The poser loves
herself, and accounts herself as not needing nor loving Baha'u'llah.
Given the verse, how does Baha'u'llah's love reach the poser?
> Honestly, if I hadn't met the broken clock in person I would have
> thought you were one and the same person - especially in view of your
> long working relationship with each other.
>
Nima and me? Thanks for the joke. I find this an unexpected amusement.
> Dr Charmaine Sunders is one of Peth's best known and most respected
Perth, note that "r" in there, is the largest city of Western Oz, a
state of less than 2 million people. Dr. Saunders, note the "u" in
there, may be a big fish, but in a small pond. With this approach, you
can be a big fish, too. You are the most important person wearing your
clothes right now!
> counsellors, with some 21 years experience in the field. Charmaine is
In what field? Read her Bio. She already had a career in teaching.
That would make her forty or so. Then she became a doctor of
psychology; that's another four years. Then she's had 20 years working
as a psychologist. Does the picutre on her bio look like she might be
anywhere near 65? Someone's been telling tales, and the good people of
Perth have been buying, but that does not mean she'd get away w/ it in
the larger world w/o getting gutted out.
> the the author of six books, and has written for many of Australia's
> major newspapers and magazines. She also facilites seminars, teaches
> university courses, is a sought after public speaker and has produced
> her own series of self-help audio cassettes.
She is a well of activity. Does anyone other than you believe she read
your book, that if she was not already familiar with the real Tahirih
that she paused to do the required research to sort out what she was
reading?
> She writes:
>
> Dr. Charmaine Saunders speaks about "Tahirih TheAlogy" by Starr*
> Saffa
>
You write, too. George Fleming wrote, too. That does not mean that
either of you could (or would bother to) sort out your facts.
> When I was asked to say a few words at Starr's book launch, I didn't
> feel qualified to speak in depth about the content so I chose to
Hmmmmm, a bit of honesty from Dr. Saunders, but I don't suppose you can
read the lines here?
> discuss the writing process. Having penned 6 books myself, I feel like
> an old veteran in the publishing war.
>
> I had a dream beginning to my life as an author insofar as a publisher
> approached me rather than the other way round. He was from Singapore
> and after the book was a physical reality, he left me with 2000 copies
> in boxes and returned to his own country. It fell to me to promote the
> book and I knew zero about marketing. Somehow, through persistent
> door-knocking, I got myself on The Midday show and into newspapers and
> on radio. In the end, overtime, we sold 10,000 copies of that first
> book. It was incredibly hard work so I'm always happy to help out any
> new writers with tips, leads, contacts, shortcuts, whatever can make
> the journey easier.
>
Interesting. Note the parallels with George: boxes of books to sell
for payment?
> Writing is, by its very nature, a solitary pursuit. It requires great
> self-belief to take an idea you've birthed and make it into something
Ew, ew, ew! For folks who don't have the facts straight, they can get
by on intuition!
> tangible, something you have created out of your soul and now have to
> hand over to strangers - publishers, editors, distributors, booksellers
> and scariest of all, readers! People who are going to judge your work
> objectively and perhaps harshly. It is your baby and you can't expect
> anyone else to believe in your child, your dream unless you do; in
> fact, writing a book is a lot like birthing. When I wrote my first
> book, I used an electronic typewriter and not being a typist, found it
> very difficult. The friend who shared my house at the time was an
> unemotional, scientific type and would often come home to see me at the
> typewriter, with tears streaming down my face, saying, `This is like
> giving birth - it hurts!'
>
> On top of all this, Starr has chosen to write a revolutionary book, one
> that will divide opinion and divide people, create discussion and
> argument, maybe even offend and provoke criticism. This takes a special
> brand of courage. I've come to understand in life that it's not being
> right or wrong that matters, not being conventional or rebellious, but
> being true to your own inner voice, finding the courage to speak that
> truth, no matter what. Starr has courage to spare and is a walking
> embodiment of her name - she already is a star!
>
> Dr. Charmaine Saunders
> Perth, Australia August 2005
>
>
> *Remember Mr.All Bad Baha'i (Pat Kholie) that you were instructed to
> not address me in any manner shape or form, and that injunction still
I remember. Both you, and Nima, have tried to shut me up. AS you can
see, I'll reply when I feel inclined to do so; I don't take orders from you.
> holds until you are prepared to clean up your hate mongering and bahai
> apolgetic machinations.
>
You are the hate monger. Your book ignores Tahirih. You expropriate
her name because you know that your name won't sell. You want to sell a
book about yourself in the vain hope that people will affirm your life,
and through that, that you will then like your life. It does not work
that way though. You need to sort out what you like, put that in your
life, like it, and then share yourself, honestly.
Good luck!
- All Bad