.Complaint to HK Baha'i Community about Dr Brian Walker
errol9
Nima and Starr*
The Hong Kong Baha'is have a website and an address on the internet, I have sent the following complaint with regards the BIGS who hides behind the veils of the AO hypocricsy. Like Brian Walker's buddy Pat Kohli reported me to the UK NSA for un-Baha'i like behaviour on TRB I am sure you would agree some of these BIGS are getting a little of their own medicne back.
The HK Quack has got away for years on the internet insulting other posters and because his Baha'i community could not be connected he got away with it.
Now the cat is out of the bag below is the web address of Brian walker's community it he insults any of you just report him like his snitching pal reported me last year to the UK NSA with gleeful support from Walker, Hammond and Ryder.......................Errol
http://www.hk.bahai.org/boaw/default.asp
From: errol9 <err...@ntlworld.com>
To: <webm...@hk.bahai.org>
Date: FridayMay 6301020032002 2:50 pm
Subject: .Complaint to HK Baha'i Community about Dr Brian Walker
CC to <talk.religion. bahai>
To the Baha'is of Hong Kong.
Dear Members of the Hong Kong community, is this (so called qualified Doctor) called Brian Walker a member of your cominity, or is he a not a Baha'i at all?
Because as a Baha'i his actions on the Internet is absolutely appling. Here we see one of his posts were he has threatened violence towards an ex-Baha'i over an argument with another Bahai on talk. religion.bahai. His Bahai pal American Pat Kohli is well known for reporting other Baha'is for their un-Bahai like behaviour, on this news group. But because they are such buddies Mr Kohli would be reluctant to report Brian Walker.
I would request this post be brought to the Hong Kong community and Brain Walker.questioned about his actions. If he continues to threaten any other poster I will have no hesitation to report the matter to the Universal House of Justice.and a number of NSA's in the east.
This post can always be seen on the Goggle archives talk.religion.baha'i if one wishes to prove it is genunine.
Errol ( pass name on talk.religion.bahai)
Proper name and address.
George Fleming
545a Lisburn Road
Belfast BT9 7GQ
From: Brian Walker <bfwa...@net-yan.com>
Newsgroups: <talk.religion.bahai> Date:
MondayDecember 6301020022002 6:17 am
Subject: Re: Letters of Negation
george.fleming2 wrote:
> Kohli you listen and listen good if you dont stop all this shitstirring
> and bringing all this anti-Catholic retoric up again and again I sware by
> Almighty God I will report you and your two sleaseball Administrative
> Order friends Walker and Maneck to your NSA and the UHJ 10000 times if I have
> to. It is no skin of my nose I am not a Baha'i anymore.
> Remember what you and Walker primed Dermod Ryder to do to my local
> Administrative Order here in Ireland I will do exactly the same 1000 fold
> in your neck of the woods......................GF
Neither Pat nor I respond well to bullies. They are generally
weak-minded, ill-controlled shites, who deserve a good kicking, and you
will get more than a good kicking if I see you. Take your bully-boy
aggression and stuff it up your more-than-generous arse, whence you
derive your biscuits - or stand up like a man, admit your lies and
bluster, and live like a man among humans, not the wee rat you are
currently impersonating.
Brian
Brian F. Walker
Registered Linux User 270078
Debian GNU/Linux
>>
Starr*
Dear Errol
It is incongruent that Brian Walker be a medical doctor or a Baha'i in
good standing based on his written evidience of his low estate and his
presence and participation on this list. Therefore, I agree with
determining his standing in relation to the Baha'i Faith and in taking
the action of notifying the necessary authorities regarding the nature
of his participation, unless he is able to make a public apology and
desist from threats and invective.
I am genuinely concerned for his misuse of words which negatively
impact on the young people in Asian Countires when he uses terms like
'Youth-in-Asia' in regards to 'euthanasia' in a public forum. It is
therefore, my opinion, that a call for his net presence to be
curtailed should be made by those who he is representing: Hong Kong,
Medical Doctors, and the Baha'i Faith. One always wonders how a person
of this low estate could be admitted to the medical field.
However, as stated above, if he is able to make an apology and desist
from further threats and invective, as well as explaining his relation
to Pat Kholi, then perhaps the matter does not have to go further.
*I do take into account that he is a young person and has been misled
and misused by older and more cunning people with paid agendas.
*There are a few spelling errors in your letter, but I believe it
makes the point.
Starr* Saffa
> --
errol9
star...@yahoo.com wrote on 30/5/03 5:36 pm:
> errol9 <err...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:<BAFD23C0.26B7B%err...@ntlworld.com>...
>
> Dear Errol
>
> It is incongruent that Brian Walker be a medical doctor or a Baha'i in
> good standing based on his written evidience of his low estate and his
> presence and participation on this list. Therefore, I agree with
> determining his standing in relation to the Baha'i Faith and in taking
> the action of notifying the necessary authorities regarding the nature
> of his participation, unless he is able to make a public apology and
> desist from threats and invective.
I think there is something odd about Walker's professional status. His
actions here on TRB have been questioned from time to time by some other
posters before.
> I am genuinely concerned for his misuse of words which negatively
> impact on the young people in Asian Countires when he uses terms like
> 'Youth-in-Asia' in regards to 'euthanasia' in a public forum. It is
> therefore, my opinion, that a call for his net presence to be
> curtailed should be made by those who he is representing: Hong Kong,
> Medical Doctors, and the Baha'i Faith. One always wonders how a person
> of this low estate could be admitted to the medical field.
> However, as stated above, if he is able to make an apology and desist
> from further threats and invective, as well as explaining his relation
> to Pat Kholi, then perhaps the matter does not have to go further.
Well now we have his Baha'i community web address. And just like I was
reported by pat Kohli, any of you feel he has insulted you then you know
were to contact from now on.
>
> *I do take into account that he is a young person and has been misled
> and misused by older and more cunning people with paid agendas.
I also noticed for a professional Baha'i he was most reluctant to become
involved in objective dialogue. His main interest was to become involved in
taking sides in flame wars that usually had nothing to do with him. In fact
he was a little bit like Hammond jumping in taking the sides of others
>
> *There are a few spelling errors in your letter, but I believe it
> makes the point.
Yeah I noticed that after I sent it, but its the content that counts. If
they write and complain I will rewrite it for them.
The one thing I always noticed about official AO letters. They are always
faultless in grammer and spelling but most of them are as cold and clinical
as can be with no human warmth or colour in them at all.
Did you ever notice that?.............Errol
Brian Walker
your behaviour will be on record for a long time :)
I suppose I should become even more virulent against you both, but
really - you are such minnows in the real world, that to increase the
acerbity would be lost on you.
Now, a word to the wise for both of you: you are losers.
Brian
--
Pat Kohli
Brian Walker wrote:
> Whatever, H and Clod-eeaww. Thankfully there is always google! You and
> your behaviour will be on record for a long time :)
>
> I suppose I should become even more virulent against you both, but
> really - you are such minnows in the real world, that to increase the
> acerbity would be lost on you.
>
> Now, a word to the wise for both of you: you are losers.
>
> Brian
Please let me know if You Know Who (YKW) fails to send more than 119 copies to the
HK Assembly. If they read his message, they might be interested on other POVs. On
the other hand, if the trend persists, they will delete his TP as it comes in.
>
> (snip)
> >>>
> >>>This post can always be seen on the Goggle archives talk.religion.baha'i if
> >>>one wishes to prove it is genunine.
> >>>
> >>>Errol ( pass name on talk.religion.bahai)
> >>>
> >>>Proper name and address.
> >>>George Fleming
> >>>545a Lisburn Road
> >>>Belfast BT9 7GQ
> >>>
> >>>
<<<< George fleming is not my real name. Its only my
<<<< Artist/Author's name and a name I used 30 years
<<<< ago to protect my anonymity when I joined AA.
errol9, 2MAR03
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=BA8780FE.1570F%25george.fleming2%40ntlworld.com
I see HWRNMNBM has decided his real name really was George Fleming, anyway.
Remembering his name now is a very positive sign, particularly after having
completely forgotten it just a few months ago.
Blessings!
- Pat
kohli at ameritel.net
errol9
kohliCUT...@ameritel.net wrote on 31/5/03 3:32 am:
>
>
> Brian Walker wrote:
>
>> Whatever, H and Clod-eeaww. Thankfully there is always google! You and
>> your behaviour will be on record for a long time :)
>>
>> I suppose I should become even more virulent against you both, but
>> really - you are such minnows in the real world, that to increase the
>> acerbity would be lost on you.
>>
>> Now, a word to the wise for both of you: you are losers.
>>
>> Brian
>
> Please let me know if You Know Who (YKW) fails to send more than 119 copies to
> the HK Assembly. If they read his message, they might be interested on other
> POVs. On the other hand, if the trend persists, they will delete his TP as it
> comes in.
I notice you never reported your Buddy Walker for his un-baha'i like
behavour in the post below like you reported me to the UK NSA Kohli.
Dont tell you only report Baha'is who ask you first............Errol
>
From: Brian Walker <bfwa...@net-yan.com>
Newsgroups: <talk.religion.bahai> Date:
MondayDecember 6301020022002 6:17 am
Subject: Re: Letters of Negation
george.fleming2 wrote:
> Kohli you listen and listen good if you dont stop all this shitstirring
> and bringing all this anti-Catholic retoric up again and again I sware by
> Almighty God I will report you and your two sleaseball Administrative
> Order friends Walker and Maneck to your NSA and the UHJ 10000 times if I have
> to. It is no skin of my nose I am not a Baha'i anymore.
> Remember what you and Walker primed Dermod Ryder to do to my local
> Administrative Order here in Ireland I will do exactly the same 1000 fold
> in your neck of the woods......................GF
Neither Pat nor I respond well to bullies. They are generally
errol9
in article 3ED82256...@ameritel.net, Pat Kohli at
kohliCUT...@ameritel.net wrote on 31/5/03 3:32 am:
> <<<< George fleming is not my real name. Its only my
> <<<< Artist/Author's name and a name I used 30 years
> <<<< ago to protect my anonymity when I joined AA.
> errol9, 2MAR03
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=BA8780FE.1570F%25georg
> e.fleming2%40ntlworld.com
>
> I see HWRNMNBM has decided his real name really was George Fleming, anyway.
> Remembering his name now is a very positive sign, particularly after having
> completely forgotten it just a few months ago.
That is my proper name and address I was known as a Baha'i and in AA and in
my professional postal address and in the correspondence with Brian Walker.
but it is not the name on my birth certificate...............Errol
MOST@btinternet.com Dermod Ryder
"Pat Kohli" <kohliCUT...@ameritel.net> wrote in message
news:3ED82256...@ameritel.net...
>
> Please let me know if You Know Who (YKW) fails to send more than 119
copies to the
> HK Assembly. If they read his message, they might be interested on other
POVs. On
> the other hand, if the trend persists, they will delete his TP as it comes
in.
Indeed yes, Pat. Tthere are many other interesting items of information out
there which could well be of interest to anybody never mind the HK BIGS.
I'm sure we can rely on Brian to indicate whether or not such information
would be of interest although these things are much better done on the back
channel.
Dermod.
errol9
MO...@btinternet.com wrote on 31/5/03 11:25 am:
Your dam right **Mr Fuckwit Dirty cyberfighter** they will be done in the
back channel. I am making a dossier of all your sectarian and abusive
language and it s going to every councillor in Antrim Borough Council.
Errol
>
> Dermod.
>
>
>
Brian Walker
Well golly gosh - now that must make Dermod shake in his boots, doncha
think? Well - I know that last bit was somewhat over the top - just
consider it rhetorical.
Brian
errol9
bfwa...@net-yan.com wrote on 31/5/03 4:13 pm:
> Well golly gosh - now that must make Dermod shake in his boots, doncha
> think? Well - I know that last bit was somewhat over the top - just
> consider it rhetorical.
It wont make him shake in his boots but his wife will be crapping herself
for the two local newspapers and all the Baha'is in the Antirm area
including Amal Ma'ani and ABM Denis Coyle will be getting copies also.
I will be including all the derogatory sectarian posts from talisman he made
against the Baha'i Faith, including one post were he hoped terrorists would
blow up the BWC at Haifa. Some difference to his wife's little ever so
lovely post to TRB lately.
Nice references for someone who has just volunteered to join a new group of
anti-sectarian community committee on the local Antrim council isn't it?
Errol
Cal E. Rollins
Councillor in Antrim Borough County? Is that an Irish State or what?
How many Baha'i Councillors do you guys have for only a handful of
Baha'is? --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Shame on you. Just because Brian said he lived in a sampan doesn't mean
he's of low estate. Remember the Guardian chided the West (especially
America) about loving our refrigerators, cars, and wives when we should
be lowering our standards. For a time, when I went pioneering, I lived
in a Baha'i Center. I even contemplated living in a trailer before I
got married and I lost some of my Baha'i youthful fanaticism. About the
only Baha'i low-esteem I've heard of is where the Guardian characterizes
his ex-communicated relative as having married into. I wouldn't want to
live in a sampan, but would love to sleep in one overnight. What an
adventure.
What I've wondered, though, Brian, where do people sit for firesides on
a sampan? How many can you accommodate? --Cal
errol9
Rollins at crol...@webtv.net wrote on 31/5/03 6:03 pm:
Cal, Its a local Borough council, not a Baha'is council.
Paula Ryder
George Fleming, aka Errol/Errol9. Paula Ryder here. I'm going to make
some comments on your above "3P" - i.e. painful, pitiful and pathetic -
posting.
Firstly, I am a lady. Ladies don't "crap" themselves, they merely "visit
the bathroom". Still, it's been so long since you've spoken to one, I guess
you aren't to know! In any case, it is not up to you to decide what may or
may not make my intestines work.
I am not concerned about what may be written in any newspaper, nor how it
may be interpreted by anyone, Baha'i or otherwise. I am not afraid of
ignorance, rudeness, bully-boy tactics or threats, especially from a "sad"
person!
"Some difference to his wife's little ever so lovely post to TRB lately."
Thank you so much for your appreciation of my Holy Day greeting. I'm only
sad that, at the time, I didn't greet other very sane, sensible and
intelligent people who are neither Baha'is nor ex-Baha'is. There! I've
just done it. They know who they are. No, George! Not you!
One of the liberating things about getting older is that we become more
insightful. (Well, most of us do!) We get to know who our real friends
are! Unfortunately for you, George, you obviously don't have any friends -
just informants! By the way, how did you know I turned fifty years old,
recently? How did you know that my husband and "A.N. Other" have recently
been appointed to local community "bodies"? Oh! Let me guess!!!
Do you ever look at yourself in a mirror, Errol, and worry about what you
see? Take it from me - you should. However, all is not lost! September
shall be soon upon us . Lots of Further Education Colleges hold "English
Classes for Beginners." Do yourself a favour, Mr. Fleming. Enrol!!!
Finally, I thought the following might make for some interesting reading for
the folks out there. Please note the date. The letter is in its original
format, with names only, omitted. What do you think of this, Starr, one lass
to another?
>
> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> >
> > To: Belfast Local Spiritual Assembly.
> > 23/09/2002
> >
> > I have risen from my bed at 02.30 this morning to write this because I
> > am so annoyed and upset, that I cannot sleep.
> >
> > I believe that Belfast Spiritual Assembly, or at least its officers,
> > is/are aware of the most unseemly and outrageous behaviour of Mr.
> > George Fleming, during the past few weeks and, in particular, the last
> > few days.
> >
> > I must make it plain from the outset, that I am writing this letter
> > (and others) from my own personal point of view and categorically
> > independently of my husband's opinions or reactions towards the
> > already referred-to behaviour of George Fleming. I never thought that
> > I would ever be lodging a formal complaint about any fellow Baha'i,
> > much less one that I have known and been friendly towards for many
> > years. It saddens me greatly to have recently seen such wicked,
> > despicable and blatantly untrue postings by George Fleming on TRB (
> > "Talk Religion Baha'i")
> >
> > Most Baha'is in N.I. know me and know that my husband Dermod and I
> > have had - and still do have - some fundamental differences regarding
> > certain issues relating to the Baha'i Faith. Despite these
> > differences, we are united as a couple and as a family unit, sharing
> > twenty-three years of married life together and twenty-two years with
> > me as a Baha'i. The fact that Dermod chose to leave the Faith many
> > years ago is both his own responsibility and his prerogative. It is
> > an indication of the strength of our marriage and our mutual respect
> > for each other, that we are still together and is something of which
> > we are both justifiably proud.
> >
> > Getting back to George Fleming. You have all by now (I hope) been
> > informed of the dreadful messages he has been posting recently on TRB.
> > Dermod drew my attention to them just over one week ago and I asked
> > him to print out for me certain ones that I was absolutely shocked by.
> > I'm not "au fait" with the Internet and Discussion Groups but have
> > been told by Dermod that TRB is an open forum, where anyone can
> > basically say anything and there are no Moderators to check content or
> > behaviour.
> >
> > By last weekend (14th/15th) George Fleming had made some outlandish
> > statements, in particular about the Catholic Church. Whilst everyone
> > knows of the revolting incidents relating to paedophile priests and
> > innocent children and youths, it is surely understood that not all
> > members of that Church are responsible for those actions, just as not
> > every Baha'i is responsible for the wrong-doings of fellow Baha'is.
> > Examples of these postings follow, as printed, with all grammatical,
> > spelling, etc. errors intact.
> >
> > 1. ".and go and join Robin" (a Catholic lady) " .in the Catholic
> > Church were one does not need to think, all you do is join in the
> > manmade ritual, and hope the Priest has washed his hands before he
> > handout the biscuits." (and again, referring to
> > Robin Peters and Dermod)
> > 2. "There" (they're? Referring to paedophile priests) "linked to yours
> > and derMUT's religion, and you are ex-Bahai's who are attacking the
> > Universal House the world center of my religion."
> > (continued overleaf)
> > "So as long as you two Catholics continue to attack the headquarters
> > of my religious belief and call members of my beloved Universal House
> > in Haifa disgraceful filthy names I will start attacking your
> > religious headquarters the Vatican next and start calling your Pope
> > the anti-Christ from now on."
> > 3. "And what are many Catholic priests and Bishops doing today in the
> > US and all over western Europe. Forby having sex with underage
> > Children and at the same time being allowed to practice
> > "Transubstantion" in the Mass, what a sick religion you and filthy
> > mouth Dermod belong to then you have a cheek to attack the Baha'i
> > Faith." (continuing) "What is going to happen to the Baha'i Faith is
> > none of your business anymore you left it."
> > 4. "Shoghi Effendi praised the Protestant reformation against a
> > corrupt Roman Catholic Church. Its no secret about exposing the Child
> > molestering drunken Catholic Priests still allowed to give Mass in
> > Your's and Dermod's religion Robin. So why did you join such a
> > corrupt RC Church Robin, do you agree its all right for priests to
> > have sex with underage children?"
> >
> > Deeply shocked and concerned, Dermod phoned XXXXXXXXX . Examples were
> read out. XXXXXX said he
> > would monitor the situation for a few days and get back to him. Seven
> > more days worth of vitriolic postings from George Fleming followed. I
> > was so angry and upset by the following post of 20/9:
> > 1. "Yea, you" (meaning Dermod) "would know all about wisdom, a waster,
> > a bum, a cynic, a hypocritic, an anti-baha'i bigot, a spounger who
> > could never hold down any simple job in his life and has lived of the
> > welfare state all of his life.
> > This my friends is Dermod, whose only friend is another waster called
> > Nima Hazini from eastern Australia who is living off handouts from his
> > family, because like Dermod neither the two of them are good for
> > anything in life.
> > Sure these two have some wisdom. God help Robin and Paul H for
> > believing in the crap these two spout forth."
> >
> > I phoned XXXXXXXXXX (he already knew about the situation from the
> previous
> > week, when Dermod had phoned him) but there was no reply and I left a
> > message, asking him to contact me at his earliest convenience. As you
> > know, I (then) phoned XXXXXXX. who could hear the
> > annoyance in my voice. When I read the above and some other examples
> > of George Fleming's disgraceful postings, XXXXX felt that he
> > should be stopped immediately and said he'd try to contact Belfast
> > Spiritual Assembly as soon as possible!
> >
> > More poisonous postings arrived. I am absolutely appalled by George
> > Fleming's use of highly inappropriate language in such a public
> > forum - e.g. referring to various people as: twister; rubbergub;
> > gobshite; cornerboy; vindictive little cowardly bastard; sleaseballs;
> > dickhead; mummyboy; FTP mummyboy and anti-Baha'i FTP. I don't know
> > what he means by "FTP" but hope it isn't in the usual Northern Ireland
> > context! (Note for readers of TRB - FTP is shorthand for "F**k the
> > Pope!)
> > I'm no saint and I do use swear words sometimes at home but I wouldn't
> > dream of choosing and using them on the Internet, especially as a
> > (self-appointed) representative of the Baha'i Faith and a follower of
> > Baha'u'llah!
> > Other longer insulting references can be found on postings dated 12/9
> > (12.17p.m.); 13/9 (19.03); 14/9 (04.23); 11/9 (21.07). One of the
> > worst - 18/9 (19.22) is to a Moslem named Mahdi Muhammad when, in just
> > one of his sentences, George Fleming asks "Why don't you f**k off back
> > to either a Muslim, Christian or Jewish newsgroup to propagate your
> > type of Islam there, or I will call up General Gordon's ghost and
> > stick out" (meaning 'our') "friends Sword of God up your duck-run as
> > far as it will go." Adding "Then you will have a proper spiritual
> > uplift." (Signed "George") Whilst I in no way condone the use of bad
> > language in these postings by anyone (and Mr. Fleming has had several
> > such responses) I am, nonetheless, totally amazed at his lack of good
> > judgement, foresight and shame in this regard. Surely this and the
> > many other postings I have already mentioned not only serve to vastly
> > undermine and possibly even destroy the hard work done by countless
> > Baha'is and others within the Inter Faith Forum and other like-minded
> > multi-cultural/multi-religious bodies?
> >
> > One can see from his posting of 19/9 (14.22) that George Fleming seems
> > to be taking on the role of a self-styled western martyr for the
> > Baha'i Faith, stating he has "very broad shoulders and a strong brass
> > neck" and asking "Nima, Dermod, and Paul H." to "please please keep it
> > coming" (i.e. his perceived "barrage of hatred and contempt.")
> > ".so keep the venom coming and leave others alone." He refers to the
> > three above as ".very misguided men whose one untimate aim in life is
> > the the totsl distruction of the Baha'i World center in Haifa Israel."
> > (All errors stated are G.F.'s, not mine! Might they perhaps be
> > indicative of his state of mind at the time of writing these?)
> > The posting of 21/9 (10.08) speaks of his having ". a bit of a rest"
> > and his "turn of duty " being about over." Again, his attitude and
> > reactions seem most inappropriate, verging on fanaticism and illusions
> > of grandeur. Appearing this way, in such a public forum, surely this
> > would create a very bad impression of the Faith with possible seekers
> > and thereby potential Baha'is?
> >
> > Although I found all of these postings of George Fleming very worrying
> > and even disturbing, I only became really upset when he started to
> > make libelous statements about - and to - my husband. E.g. 11/9
> > (08.57) (One would have thought that nobody would want to be hurtful
> > or nasty especially on that day!) Replying to a Mr. Ron House, he
> > states: "The only topic Dermod knows is ranting and raving and
> > vomiting out evil malice against the Bahai Faith from a mouth like a
> > sewer." Many more such remarks were made in pieces both before and
> > after this, the most malicious attacks and unbelievably personal
> > invective escalating dramatically during the weekend just past.
> > Another example: 20/9 (12.24) - (just over an hour after the attack
> > which led me to phone XXXXXXX) - firstly referring to Nima Hazini and
> > then to Dermod:
> > "Your family will have lost all hope in you and stop giving you
> > handouts, and Dermod the waster wont be able to help you, he will
> > still be on welfare here in Northern Ireland living off the British
> > taxpayer and British Government he so happens to dispise." (Signed
> > "George")
> >
> > I would ask the Spiritual Assembly to please remember that this
> > hate-filled dross is going out over the "Net" - into Cyberspace - for
> > all to see, read, note and, worst of all, possibly believe! How can
> > someone get away with writing lies like that about someone else? I
> > would ask each of you to pause for just a minute, put yourself in my
> > husband's shoes (or mine) and imagine how you would feel if George
> > Fleming had written these untrue, malicious things about you, your
> > partner and your family!!!
> >
> > To describe Dermod's life as a waste is an outright lie and also
> > highly insulting! He has both worked for others (frequently
> > championing the small businessman) and has been self-employed; has
> > worked both away from Northern Ireland and within it and has been
> > instrumental in the setting-up of several successful businesses.
> > He has helped countless people over numerous years and given advice,
> > understanding, comfort and hope to many, including two young people
> > who were hell-bent on commiting suicide. He has a very generous
> > nature, a good heart and is kind to children and animals! He does
> > every kind of household chore, including cooking, baking, ironing,
> > sewing and cleaning; he is brilliant at D.I.Y. and even created a
> > beautiful garden just for me! This so-called "waster" was the
> > official "carer" for each and both of his elderly parents over a solid
> > four-year period, being "on call" day (and frequently night!) He
> > literally lifted and laid them when necessary, saw to all their
> > medication needs and also their personal hygiene and nursing needs.
> > He dealt with Social Services, Hospitals, Nursing Homes and ultimately
> > their deaths and funerals. He was an excellent son and carer - almost
> > to the detriment of his own health.
> >
> > George Fleming doesn't begin to know Dermod at all or his many joys
> > and pressures.
> > I believe most of you are familiar with our position regarding our six
> > year old daughter, Katie. I know of very few fathers who are so
> > attentive and "hands on" with their children as Dermod is with Katie.
> > From dealing with bureaucratic paperwork and officialdom, to (still!)
> > changing her nappies and ironing mountains of clothes, to playing with
> > her and taking a very active role in every aspect of her well-being -
> > Dermod is an excellent father. He's pretty good with our twenty-year
> > old, too!
> > I must also point out that I was a Baha'i school teacher for five
> > years and was/am able to attend Baha'i events (most recently just last
> > week and my next this Thursday) solely because Dermod actively
> > supported/supports me by looking after Katie.
> >
> > Where does George Fleming get off saying these appalling things about
> > my husband? How dare he accuse Dermod of hiding his "actions against
> > the Baha'i Faith behind (his) wife's skirt" and ".behind a
> > defensiveless disabled child"? [Post 21/9 (13.07)]
> > What/who gives him the right to state that my husband (and, indirectly
> > therefore, my family!) is ". living off the British Taxpayer and
> > British Government he (Dermod) so happens to dispise"? [Posting of
> > 20/9 (12.24)] Where did he get this lie from????
> > How dare he refer to me as ".his" (Dermod's) "poor wife" who ".has had
> > to work to keep him and (their) older daughter most of his married
> > life"? I don't need George Fleming's pity or sympathy! I asked him
> > for neither! I have not ". always worked to keep him!" (Dermod.)
> > [Posting of 22/9 (14.41)] What business is any part of our lives
> > (financial or otherwise) of George Fleming's anyway????
> >
> > Which brings me finally to the main reason for writing this letter -
> > JUSTICE!
> > The thing that I love most of all about the Baha'i Faith relates to
> > Justice and how it is built upon the two pillars of Reward and
> > Punishment. This is a fundamental Truth and is the very basis of our
> > faith in Baha'u'llah and His teachings. The above posting "to
> > Milissa" (written after George Fleming gave his word to ABM
XXXXXXXXXXXX,
> on 21/9,
> > that he would cease posting) is so hateful
> > throughout, that it leaves me stunned! How can he write such stuff
> > when it is so evidently against all Baha'is' efforts to care, share,
> > unite and love each other? He still posts on S.C.I.
> > Justice must be seen to be done! George Fleming should be punished
> > severely for what he has done, for the hurt he has caused and
> > specifically, for the dreadful lies he has told and for trying to ruin
> > my husband's (and therefore our) family name! Such vicious backbiting
> > and personal invective is despised by the Central Figures of our Faith
> > and we are warned against its evil effects. Many Baha'is have lost
> > their voting rights for less! Baha'u'llah wrote a Tablet about
> > "Words". They have special power! George Fleming's foul words cannot
> > be reclaimed! Please deal with this JUSTLY!
- End of letter -
I apologise only for the length of time it takes to read the above letter.
A few things have changed since I originally wrote it. My husband and I are
together now twenty-five years. Our little daughter is now seven years old.
Our eldest daughter has just finished University. Most importantly, Dermod
and I, despite our differences of opinion, continue to *grow* in love,
respect and admiration of each other. We also continue to speak out
*against* bigotry, narrow-mindedness and the twisted sense of reality that
some people obviously have. They say these traits have a lot to do with
sexual frustration! I wouldn't know! Would you, George? Do reply soon and
let me know.
Paula (the "poor wife"!)
Cal E. Rollins
I may have missed a lot of this background info. Was your letter written
before or after George resigned from the Faith?
When I knew him on Talisman and Zuhur before I even started looking at
TRB I found him to be a nice and fun fellow and thoroughly enjoyed his
recounting of his work at the World Centre. I love his paintings and
would even like to buy one.
In my opinion, he and Dermod are about equal in their great abilities to
dish it out. We all love to take a whack at the one we fondly call DST
or the Dragon Lady. It seems to me that if we Baha'is can't take the
heat from non-Baha'is in our kitchens we need to install
air-conditioning. I love both these guys who've enriched my vocabulary
as well as my limited knowledge of Irish culture, scattology, and
history. And, God knows, they tell it like it is (as they perceive it
to be) regarding Baha'i doings. I have to admit, though, I've wondered
at times why Allah hasn't struck them both dead with lightening bolts,
but I guess Allah doesn't get that involved in human affairs like Zeus
used to do before he died, thank God.
Great fun, this Internet. Right? Good to hear from you. --Cal
Jeremiah
> Star,
>
> Shame on you. Just because Brian said he lived in a sampan doesn't mean
> he's of low estate.
What is of low estate is his acid tongue and heart...and home is where
the heart is....hence a low SQ (spiritual quotient). BTW, wasn't that
a sandbox he lives in, not a sampan.....it sounds like we should chip
in and send him a years supply of Depenz for incontinece :>)
Starr*
Jeremiah
> Finally, I thought the following might make for some interesting reading for
> the folks out there. Please note the date. The letter is in its original
> format, with names only, omitted.
What do you think of this, Starr, one lass
> to another?
> - End of letter -
>
> I apologise only for the length of time it takes to read the above letter.
> A few things have changed since I originally wrote it. My husband and I are
> together now twenty-five years. Our little daughter is now seven years old.
> Our eldest daughter has just finished University. Most importantly, Dermod
> and I, despite our differences of opinion, continue to *grow* in love,
> respect and admiration of each other. We also continue to speak out
> *against* bigotry, narrow-mindedness and the twisted sense of reality that
> some people obviously have. They say these traits have a lot to do with
> sexual frustration! I wouldn't know! Would you, George? Do reply soon and
> let me know.
>
> Paula (the "poor wife"!)
Dear Paula - In respose -
I believe it is natural for a wife to stand up for her man...so to
speak...but IMO your man has been naughty too; and I do not think you
really know the full extent to what he has been up to.
In fact he has persecuted me on this list and asked many to join in,
in verbally bashing me, and getting rid of me. He even pushed the
buttons of an acid tongued young man Brian Walker to come up with
another word for 'euthanasia' in regards to me...which he did
'youth-in-asia'.
Paula, he may say it was all in fun...and in some instances he may
have clothed it in what may have appeared to be humorous lines...but
believe me he 'pushed peoples buttons to deliver deadly blows'.
For a while I actually thought George was Dermod working up a new
identity for some of the covert work he has engaged in since I have
known him in cyber space!!!!! But Errol does seem to be a genuine
personality, different from Dermod.
If Errol/George is willing to grow beyond these unfortunate past
postions should we not support him in that growth rather than
*coninually try and drag him down* - unless Dermod wants to create the
same kind of tension between the two of them as he had going between
him and Susan Maneck in the DST ACT (in which he delivered some real
malicious lines).
Also, I should like to mention to you, that I am very displeased with
the way your husband has used some young men to shoot arrows on his
behalf while pretending to be their buddies in fighting 'evil' and
then to discard them heartlessly when they don't do what he orders
(like f' me). This is a misuse of human resource and does not speak
well of his having a conscience or heart that he professes to have in
relation to you and the girls...this is duplicity, bigotry and all the
rest.
On a presonal level of lass to lass, I am glad for you that you two
have found happiness together - for it is always in my heart that the
ladies should be 'happy'; I would prefer that happiness was 'WITH EYES
WIDE OPEN', however.
I have talked candidly here and hope I have not offended you for my
frankness.
May you continue to have a joyous journey in the adventures of life.
Sincerly, Starr*
errol9
paula_ry...@btopenworld.com wrote on 1/6/03 1:20 am:
> George Fleming, aka Errol/Errol9. Paula Ryder here. I'm going to make
> some comments on your above "3P" - i.e.
Dear Lady Ryder,
George Fleming (Errol) here
Thank you for your comments, its a pity you never checked out your ( big
fluffy pussycat) husbands **painful, pitiful and pathetic - postings.** to
me and others before you decided to take up the sword in his defense.
>
> Firstly, I am a lady. Ladies don't "crap" themselves, they merely "visit
> the bathroom". Still, it's been so long since you've spoken to one, I guess
> you aren't to know! In any case, it is not up to you to decide what may or
> may not make my intestines work.
Well if you may consider yourself a lady, but you certainly married to no
gentleman.Because you husband's silverytounge (on and off the internet)
would skin a cat in 9 seconds flat.
>
> I am not concerned about what may be written in any newspaper, nor how it
> may be interpreted by anyone, Baha'i or otherwise. I am not afraid of
> ignorance, rudeness, bully-boy tactics or threats, especially from a "sad"
> person!
You may not be concerned, but the Antrim Borough Council will be concerned
about your husbands standing in the community once they receive dosier of
**all** the silverytounged sectarian bigotry he has being spewing out over
the internet and TRB and Talisman. Remember the Goggle archives dont lie and
cannot be cut and pasted or tampered with to suit your side only, like the
letter you (inclosed in your last post) and sent to the Belfast LSA
>
> "Some difference to his wife's little ever so lovely post to TRB lately."
> Thank you so much for your appreciation of my Holy Day greeting. I'm only
> sad that, at the time, I didn't greet other very sane, sensible and
> intelligent people who are neither Baha'is nor ex-Baha'is. There! I've
> just done it. They know who they are. No, George! Not you!
This sentence is very ambiguous, do you mean your Holy day greetings was
only meant for your husbands buddies on TRB like Karen, Paul, Pat, Brian,
Sekhmut and Alma, and George/Errol, Starr* and Nima can get go to H. Its a
pity you never read one of your husband's posts from talisman, because that
wonderful holy place and shrines you went on pilgrimage to Deromd hoped it
would be blown up by a terroist rocket. What have you got to say about that?
> One of the liberating things about getting older is that we become more
> insightful. (Well, most of us do!) We get to know who our real friends
> are! Unfortunately for you, George, you obviously don't have any friends -
> just informants! By the way, how did you know I turned fifty years old,
> recently? How did you know that my husband and "A.N. Other" have recently
> been appointed to local community "bodies"? Oh! Let me guess!!!
You have been quite a little informer, backbiter and manipulater yourself
have you not? (i have written documented evidence to prove this) As for your
age , your husband stated this himself here on TRB saying he was younger
than you. Thank you for confirming what I already knew because your husband
and "A.N. Other" (Imal Ma'ani) photographs are in the Antrim Bourgh Council
magazine for all to see. Your husband and you only give one (your coloured
side) of the story when you both reported me to many Bahai's, ABM Dennis
Coyle, the Northern Ireland Bahai Council, the Belfast LSA and the
Interfaith forum (where you knew two prominent Baha'is Beman Kostravi and
Edwin Graham) were on the main committee. This little lot would make Pat
Kohli an amateur snitcher compared to your husband & wife team.
Now its my turn to repay one good favour with another dont you think?
When you start going around reporting people remember they can always report
you back. So you better not have any skeletons in your cupbard. Dermod's
skeletons are all over TRB. And they are far from being white as snow.
> Do you ever look at yourself in a mirror, Errol, and worry about what you
> see? Take it from me - you should. However, all is not lost! September
> shall be soon upon us . Lots of Further Education Colleges hold "English
> Classes for Beginners." Do yourself a favour, Mr. Fleming. Enrol!!
I Think its you and your husband who need to go to (learning to grow up)
classes. Its obvious you are a very naive woman, who is easily lead by a
very devious husband who can on the one hand play the ever so caring spouse
for your disabled daughter, but when he gets on TRB he becomes a different
animal. Paul Hammond's discription of Your husband recently to Starr*
says it all: "No one denies Dermod Ryder has become a "bad-ass mother, and
a dirty street-fighting cyberwarrior".
So to be on equal footing with your husbands tactics here on TRB, I had to
lower myself to his level and become a "dirty street-fighting cyberwarrior".
Thank you for posting this letter (of complaint) to the LSA of Belfast. I
notice you say you deleted some parts of the text from the original . Can
you tell me the reason for not putting all what you wrote for all to see. Is
there anything in the original you wish to hide from TRB readers.
You may not know it, but after having studied all your husbands and my posts
on TRB a separate Bahai wrote a four page (more truthful letter) than your
one sided one, and sent copies to the following Bahai institutions:
Both ABM's
N.I. Council
UK NSA
InterFaith Forum (Sec)
Belfast LSA
I notice in your letter Paula you mention a dispute I had with another
American ex-Bahai re corruption in both the Bahai AO verses similar
happenings in the Catholic Church and statements about the man made Mass.
Surely you would agree its the Baha'i Faith which states the Catholic mass
and all the sacraments are man made.I was only repeating what the religion
you belong believes. If you dont believe that, your in the wrong religion.
Finally, I would like to ask you what had my dispute with this other TRB
poster have to do with your husband's arguments over sectarian issues
between him and I here in Northern ireland?
George Fleming (Errol)
Paul Hammond
I guess this is the full skinny on Errol's previous incarnation.
He might have been a Baha'i, but at that time he was clearly
a Prod bigot.
Maybe now he is no longer a Baha'i, he is no longer a
Prod bigot?
Paul
Paul Hammond
> > >
> > > Where does George Fleming get off saying these appalling things about
> > > my husband? How dare he accuse Dermod of hiding his "actions against
> > > the Baha'i Faith behind (his) wife's skirt" and ".behind a
> > > defensiveless disabled child"? [Post 21/9 (13.07)]
Hmm. These accusations have come out again recently. No
originality.
And, of course, it was a lie then, and it is a lie now.
And, I guess the Baha'is must have heaved a sigh of relief
after George went ballistic on being counselled, and decided
instead to resign, because spewing invective on the net
was much more important to him than his faith of 13 years,
however loudly he protestes that he was "only defending" it
against attacks from Nima, myself and Dermod.
At least, he is now *their* problem no longer. Now he
is Nima's ;-)
Paul
Brian Walker
--
Brian Walker
Jeremiah wrote:
> crol...@webtv.net (Cal E. Rollins) wrote in message news:<6493-3ED...@storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
>
>>Star,
>>
>>Shame on you. Just because Brian said he lived in a sampan doesn't mean
>>he's of low estate.
>
>
> What is of low estate is his acid tongue and heart...and home is where
> the heart is....hence a low SQ (spiritual quotient). BTW, wasn't that
> a sandbox he lives in, not a sampan.....it sounds like we should chip
> in and send him a years supply of Depenz for incontinece :>)
>
> Starr*
>
poor Clod-eeaww, you just can't keep up, can you? Never mind. Your rich
variety of lies and fantasy are a delight to all of us who respect
honour and truth - without you, TRB would be much duller.
Brian
--
errol9
paha...@onetel.net.uk wrote on 1/6/03 1:34 pm:
Interesting, this is a cut and paste job, (like Pat Kohli's report on me to
the UK NSA) with no statements from Paula's husband, Dermod (or others) I
wonder would all posters to TRB agree with this kind of onesided Justice.
> He might have been a Baha'i, but at that time he was clearly
> a Prod bigot.
I was giving a Baha'i opinion against the man made sacraments of the
Catholic Church at the time. Corruption within the Catholic Church is no
different than corruption in the Baha'i Administration. Karen has just
explained this in a recent post. I dont see (the administrative structure)
within the Catholic Church anymore or less corrupt than in the Baha'i Faith,
Islam or any other religion. It human beings who are corrupt not God. That
is why if one leaves one religion to join another because of human
corruption one is only jumping from the frying pan into the fire. Its the
spirtual nucleus at the center of any faith that is important. To believe
or not to believe Baha'u'llah is the Second coming of Christ is what either
makes one become a Baha'i or makes one reject to belief. The same go=es for
Trinitarian Christianity, to believe Christ is or is not the incarnate son
of God. Bahai's refuse to believe this, but many Christians still believe.
> Maybe now he is no longer a Baha'i, he is no longer a
> Prod bigot?
Irrespective of Trinitarian Protestants having differences with the RC
Church they have a lot more in common with Trinitarian Catholic and
Orthodox churches than they do with Bahaism. The Baha'i Faith is against all
Trinitarianism Christian belief. All is classed as Man made by the Baha'i
Faith. For a Protestant to attack the creeds in the RC Church he is only
attacking his own church.
I am less in disbelief against the sacraments, mass and other rituals of the
Catholic Church or other branches of Christianity today than I was when I
was a Baha'i. I seen myself becoming more and more a bigot against
Christianity as a whole (because of Islam/Bahai indoctrination) when I was a
Baha'i than I ever was before I was a Bahai and more so recently having
resigned from the Bahai Faith......................Errol
>
> Paul
errol9
paha...@onetel.net.uk wrote on 1/6/03 1:34 pm:
> "Paula Ryder" <paula_ry...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
Paul,
You havent give Paula Ryder Dermod's wife much support here have you? I
notice not one Baha'i in Good Standing has come out to support her in her
post and in sending the letter to the Belfast Assembly.
So do you not think all the BIGS on TRB are ashamed that they helped in some
way to encourage Dermod Ryder to manipulate his naive Baha'i wife
supported by Pat ~Kohli to in fact "MAKE GEORGE FLEMING AND THE
ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER SQUIRM" back here in Northern ireland
These Words were used by Dermod Ryder to another Baha'i over the telephone,
which I have in writing as documented evidence.
So were are BIGS Brian Walker, Pat Kohli, Alma, and Sekhmet now have they
all deserted Dermod Ryder's little Baha'i wife in her hour of need.
I notice not a peep has come from one of them Paul............Errol
MOST@btinternet.com Dermod Ryder
"Cal E. Rollins" <crol...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Paula,
>
> I may have missed a lot of this background info. Was your letter written
> before or after George resigned from the Faith?
>
> When I knew him on Talisman and Zuhur before I even started looking at
> TRB I found him to be a nice and fun fellow and thoroughly enjoyed his
> recounting of his work at the World Centre. I love his paintings and
> would even like to buy one.
Cal, he never was on Zuhur.
> In my opinion, he and Dermod are about equal in their great abilities to
> dish it out.
Give me a break, Cal! I'm streets ahead of Fleming.
>We all love to take a whack at the one we fondly call DST
> or the Dragon Lady.
Yup! But Michael and I are the only ones proven to have shattered her
nerve.
>It seems to me that if we Baha'is can't take the
> heat from non-Baha'is in our kitchens we need to install
> air-conditioning. I love both these guys who've enriched my vocabulary
> as well as my limited knowledge of Irish culture, scattology, and
> history. And, God knows, they tell it like it is (as they perceive it
> to be) regarding Baha'i doings. I have to admit, though, I've wondered
> at times why Allah hasn't struck them both dead with lightening bolts,
> but I guess Allah doesn't get that involved in human affairs like Zeus
> used to do before he died, thank God.
He keeps trying Cal but the weather here just doesn't suit lightening
bolts - too wet!
Dermod.
>
errol9
MO...@btinternet.com wrote on 1/6/03 3:52 pm:
>> In my opinion, he and Dermod are about equal in their great abilities to
>> dish it out.
>
> Give me a break, Cal! I'm streets ahead of Fleming.
Aye, like feck you are, I notice your sweet little Bahai missus didn't put
anything in the complaint letter to the Belfast LSA about the petrol bomb
issue. Did she miss that out, or did you get her to delete it before she
posted the letter to TRB, knowing rightly it was all in your dopey paddy
head to begin with, and she now feels ashamed she believed her daft husband
led her up the garden path with a load of lies.
How come there was not one BIGS ( Pat Kohli your best pal) sent in a post to
support your Baha'i wife in her post to TRB. Have they all backed off now
when they realise what a pair of loopy the loops these two crackerjack
nutters are over here in the North of ireland..............Errol
Errol
Cal E. Rollins
Right. George applied to get on Zuhur but he was voted off. I remember
that I recommended him and that fell like a lead zeppelin. --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
My information about where you live comes from the same place yours does
on your cure for SARS: The Biosphere. Great place for info and cures.
Alexander Graham Bell got his from there when he invented the telephone.
George Washington Carver when he invented peanut butter. --Cal
errol9
Rollins at crol...@webtv.net wrote on 1/6/03 6:51 pm:
> Dermod,
>
> Right. George applied to get on Zuhur but he was voted off. I remember
> that I recommended him and that fell like a lead zeppelin. --Cal
Yeah, and a lollipop to the first person who guesses who was moderator.
errol
>
Brian Walker
Then you would have realized that, when I was living on a boat, it was a
42' Jeanneau Bermudan-rigged sloop.
Paul Hammond
You having problems accepting responsibility for your words?
BIG surprise!
> > He might have been a Baha'i, but at that time he was clearly
> > a Prod bigot.
>
> I was giving a Baha'i opinion against the man made sacraments of the
> Catholic Church at the time.
"So as long as you two Catholics continue to attack the headquarters
of my religious belief and call members of my beloved Universal House
in Haifa disgraceful filthy names I will start attacking your
religious headquarters the Vatican next and start calling your Pope
the anti-Christ from now on."
were your exact words, I believe.
The opinion of the real Baha'is was that you shouldn't be
speaking for them in this manner, as I recall.
Therefore, you cannot claim to be merely airing an
opinion common among Baha'is.
You explicitly threaten to make anti-Catholic statements
against someone in this forum, because you think that is
your best argument.
<more special pleading snipped>
>
> > Maybe now he is no longer a Baha'i, he is no longer a
> > Prod bigot?
>
> Irrespective of Trinitarian Protestants having differences with the RC
> Church they have a lot more in common with Trinitarian Catholic and
> Orthodox churches than they do with Bahaism. The Baha'i Faith is against all
> Trinitarianism Christian belief. All is classed as Man made by the Baha'i
> Faith. For a Protestant to attack the creeds in the RC Church he is only
> attacking his own church.
>
> I am less in disbelief against the sacraments, mass and other rituals of the
> Catholic Church or other branches of Christianity today than I was when I
> was a Baha'i. I seen myself becoming more and more a bigot against
> Christianity as a whole (because of Islam/Bahai indoctrination) when I was a
> Baha'i than I ever was before I was a Bahai and more so recently having
> resigned from the Bahai Faith......................Errol
>
>
And how is your Prod bigotry going? Is is going, going gone, or
still going strong?
Paul
Paul Hammond
You are a nasty little man, aren't you?
Paul
Alma Engels
expected she posted a long song and dance blaming everyone but herself. And
you follow suit. I have kept Paula's post as 'unread' because I eventually
may reply to the lady. But in the meantime, don't forget that she may well
have read many of the posts with Dermod.
Alma
"errol9" <err...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Jeremiah
Thanx for the left handed complement --- but it turns out my fantasy
as you call is the way things have gone down here on TRB....and you
have been part of it.
Brian - I did wake up thinking about you today. I was wondering how
and why you became so bitter and fanticised about the youth in Asia
and their young innocent beautiful bodies that you wrote
about....hence I was able to write that piece on 'paedophilia' in
answer to Darricks questions.
I actually feel some sadness for what I think has befallen you and I
plan to write a poem 'Being Brian Walker'. Brian you have never shown
one shred of what 'honor' or 'truth' is since I have met you on this
forum....only ugly, hurtful and, as you call it, *invective* which
gives insight into you sandbox.
Have a nice Peter Hollingsworth Day, but....
I think it is time for you to come out of the woods....Jeremiah-Starr*
Alma Engels
And I wonder if a lot of that isn't due to your good influence.
And I admire the two of you caring for the Doodle all these years. She is
blessed to have such parents. So often when a difficulty such as this
happens in a marriage, the marriage ends in divorce. You prove that that
need not be so.
As for Starr and Errol, Google contains a lot of nasty messages from them.
I am sure Dermod will help you find them if you really want o see them.
In peace and with Baha'i love,
Alma
"Paula Ryder" <paula_ry...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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>
Paula Ryder
"Cal E. Rollins" <crol...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Dear Cal,
Thanks for your response.
My letter, dated *23rd September 2002*, to Belfast Local Spiritual Assembly,
was in response to numerous postings by George Fleming during that month -
mainly under the thread: "Converting to Baha'i? Think again!"
Even after George had been warned (from several quarters) to moderate his
postings, he continued well into October 2002. He resigned on the *21st
October 2002*. On 22nd October 2002, Susan Maneck (under "Rabia 1844")
wrote what I considered to be a very demeaning post to George - thread:
"Australian authorities on behalf of Nima Hazini." In the wee small hours
of 23rd October, I made a general posting to TRB, expressing my disgust at
Ms. Maneck's insensitivity. She replied to this, also on 23rd and I again
responded to her on 24th October 2002.
Cal, I have known George for many, many years. Like you, I admire his
artistic talent greatly. I used to be a member of The Northern Ireland
Baha'i Choir - (now unfortunately defunct.) We used to accompany George's
excellent Art Exhibition to many towns around Northern Ireland and sing at
the Opening Nights. His work was (rightly) highly acclaimed. I also used
to give up some of my free time to travel to Belfast and act as
Attendant/Caretaker for a Baha'i Arts and Crafts Exhibition, which included
some of his very good Needlework. He is undoubtedly, a gifted Artist.
Sometimes I agree with things my husband believes, does, says or posts,
sometimes I do not. Dermod is big enough and ugly enough to be responsible
for his own actions.
What concerns me here, is the depth of emotion - seeming hatred - that
George has for Dermod. It is so consuming that he (George) will, for
example, use our child and our financial status, to try to score points!
(Please see, e.g., posting of 22nd September 2002 and around that time.) He
has, on numerous occasions, told lies about Dermod and indeed, our family.
I have enough pride in my name and character to NOT want to be referred to
as the "poor wife" (except in a humorous way) or our little girl as "a
defensiveless, disabled child"; and all in such a condescending way!
George has not mentioned that he and I used to be friends a number of years
ago! When Katie was little, George sometimes used to phone me four, five,
six times a day - often for long periods. In those days, I was not as -
dare I say the "A" word? - "assertive" - and did not want to offend him
because he obviously needed to talk. In the end, I had to ask him to not
phone so often because I had other things to attend to! The phone calls
eventually ceased. George found the Internet! I hasten to add that George
and Dermod were once on friendly terms too!
Cal, I really must go now - I've a College assignment to do!
AAARRRGGGHHH!!!!!!!
Some people on TRB have pointed out that I probably don't know the
background of X,Y or Z, in connection with particular postings - and that is
undoubtedly true. However, I am not as naive as some may think. Some
people who know me, may not like me but just about all of them would tell
you that I am basically an honest person. I try to be fair and just in my
assessments and dealings. What I have come to believe (having known the
man) is that George's sense of judgement has become unbalanced and he is
behaving in an obsessive manner. I hope you have time to go over old
material and assess for yourself.
In any case, it's been good to hear from you, too. May your God go with
you!
Kindest regards,
Paula Ryder
(aka the "Poor Wife")
("Lady Ryder")
("Lady Reaper")
Sekhmet
>Oh, I am here and reading all replies. Starrs was the first one and as
>expected she posted a long song and dance blaming everyone but herself.
> And
>you follow suit. I have kept Paula's post as 'unread' because I eventually
>may reply to the lady.
Ditto.
--Sekhmet
Pat Kohli
Paul Hammond wrote:
> errol9 <err...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:<BAFFD604.27029%err...@ntlworld.com>...
> > in article c977f97b.0306...@posting.google.com, Paul Hammond at
> > paha...@onetel.net.uk wrote on 1/6/03 1:34 pm:
> >
> > > "Paula Ryder" <paula_ry...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> > > news:<bbbkdc$2ir$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>...
> > >
> > >>>>
> > >>>> By last weekend (14th/15th) George Fleming had made some outlandish
> > >>>> statements, in particular about the Catholic Church. (snip)
> > >
> > > I guess this is the full skinny on Errol's previous incarnation.
I'm thinking this was the basis for his whining about Baha'is reporting his activities here,
and, thus, the basis for him to invite me to report him to his NSA; 'the rest is history'.
>
> >
> > Interesting, this is a cut and paste job, (like Pat Kohli's report on me to
> > the UK NSA) with no statements from Paula's husband, Dermod (or others) I
> > wonder would all posters to TRB agree with this kind of onesided Justice.
> >
>
> You having problems accepting responsibility for your words?
>
I am so glad that Paula did not post each and every one of his regurgiposts.
>
> BIG surprise!
I do recall he'd been whining about how Mrs. Ryder hadn't complained about him saying her
husband was a layabout so-and-so. Of course, now that he has what he's begged for, it is
really something else for HWWNBN to cry about.
>
>
> > > He might have been a Baha'i, but at that time he was clearly
> > > a Prod bigot.
> >
> > I was giving a Baha'i opinion against the man made sacraments of the
> > Catholic Church at the time.
>
Arsebiscuits? Blessed Jesus had said, "this is my body"!
>
> "So as long as you two Catholics continue to attack the headquarters
> of my religious belief and call members of my beloved Universal House
> in Haifa disgraceful filthy names I will start attacking your
> religious headquarters the Vatican next and start calling your Pope
> the anti-Christ from now on."
>
> were your exact words, I believe.
>
> The opinion of the real Baha'is was that you shouldn't be
> speaking for them in this manner, as I recall.
>
I do believe you recall correctly.
(snip)
Best wishes!
- Pat
kohli at ameritel.net
Pat Kohli
Paul Hammond wrote:
> (snip)
> You are a nasty little man, aren't you?
When he has nothing to say, he still vents his bag, though. He is so blatantly a
non-contributor, there really is no point in correcting all of his errors.
Pat Kohli
Alma Engels wrote:
> Oh, I am here and reading all replies. Starrs was the first one and as
> expected she posted a long song and dance blaming everyone but herself. And
> you follow suit. I have kept Paula's post as 'unread' because I eventually
> may reply to the lady. But in the meantime, don't forget that she may well
> have read many of the posts with Dermod.
>
> Alma
Oh, my! I can't believe he has the temerity to now _beg_ Baha'is to say
something about Paula's letter.
>
> "errol9" <err...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:BAFFDD5D.27033%err...@ntlworld.com...
> > in article c977f97b.0306...@posting.google.com, Paul Hammond at
> (snip)
> >
> > You havent give Paula Ryder Dermod's wife much support here have you?
What sort of support did you give your fellow Baha'i and country-person, you
backstabbing traitor, George Fleming?
It just amazes me that you called up this Baha'is husband and got directions to
Baha'i cyberspace, just to parrot gossip about her supporting a sturdy beggar!
George, you asked me to write such a letter to your NSA, I did and you cried
about it.
Lately you've been crying again how nobody leaves you alone. The reason why no
one leaves you alone, is you _insist_ on having folks tell you to stop passing
gas at the reception, 'eh, nobody said I couldn't flap me cheeks in public?'.
> I
> > notice not one Baha'i in Good Standing has come out to support her in her
> > post and in sending the letter to the Belfast Assembly.
> >
You are a pathetic cry-baby, George Fleming!
>
> > So do you not think all the BIGS on TRB are ashamed that they helped in
> some
> > way to encourage Dermod Ryder to manipulate his naive Baha'i wife
> > supported by Pat ~Kohli to in fact "MAKE GEORGE FLEMING AND THE
> > ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER SQUIRM" back here in Northern ireland
> >
Of course not, George. I'm relieved that I was not acting alone in bringing
your misdeeds to the attention of the AO. I am glad to see that I was working
with other Baha'is to improve the prestige (diminish damage to the prestige) of
the faith.
>
> > These Words were used by Dermod Ryder to another Baha'i over the
> telephone,
> > which I have in writing as documented evidence.
> >
> > So were are BIGS Brian Walker, Pat Kohli, Alma, and Sekhmet now have they
> > all deserted Dermod Ryder's little Baha'i wife in her hour of need.
>
She doesn't need me, you so and so, George!
>
> > I notice not a peep has come from one of them Paul.
Where is your sign, George? Don't you know, you should have a sign that reads,
"Kick me right there V" and wear it on your belt buckle?
Best wishes
NEMO418
> You are a nasty little man, aren't you?
Compared to you, Mahdi is Jesus! Now run along and fuck off back to
little your limey dump.
errol9
paha...@onetel.net.uk wrote on 2/6/03 1:22 am:
> "So as long as you two Catholics continue to attack the headquarters
> of my religious belief and call members of my beloved Universal House
> in Haifa disgraceful filthy names I will start attacking your
> religious headquarters the Vatican next and start calling your Pope
> the anti-Christ from now on."
>
> were your exact words, I believe.
Today I am not a Bahai so that quote above is absolete. In fact the reverse
is the case. I would defend Christianity now against Bahai's attacks
against the following.
Baptism
Penance/confession/Reconciliation
Eucharist/mass/transubstantiation
Confirmation
Matrimony
Holy Orders
Extremunction or Anointing of the Sick
infallibility of the Pope
Incarnation of Christ
Physicial ressurection of Christ and Mary
You Guys on TRB help make me realise the wrong road I was following
supporting such a cult as Baha'ism, and it was never the Pope who an
anti-christ but Baha'u'llah instead who is the Anti-Christ.
So what do you say now Paul Hammond when from now on in you and and your
BIGS buddies Kohli, Walker, Maneck, have helped me greatly realise its both
the Bab and Baha'u'llah who are false prophets and are both ANTICHRISTS.
Old Red Socks in the Vatican, and the Good Catholics on TRB are following
the true gospel, and you Hammond and your BIGs buddies are all wrong.
I made the greatest mistake in my life by becoming a Baha'i and a warning to
any newcommer reading these posts. Please beware of Baha'is and their lies.
Errol the fearless apostate
errol9
Aye, and if I have to get nastier to deal with you so be it.
Errol
>
> Paul
errol9
Engels at ael...@earthlink.net wrote on 2/6/03 2:20 am:
> Greetings, Paula. Though Dermod and I disagree a lot, I admire his honesty.
> And I wonder if a lot of that isn't due to your good influence.
Dermod's honesty, thats the joke of the century , God there is no fool like
an old fool like Alma.................................Errol
Jeremiah
Hi Paula -
I see you didn't bother to respond to me yet....only to sweet Cal.
Here is the Karenist Groupies giving you all the support you need...it
looks like they have assigned this Alma to me as she has been
following my posts around with her digs for some time now. Women hate
other women who aren't door mats like they are and attack them....so I
am not one of you lass's in that regard. I actually like to see women
advance or hold their own....but in this case the female cats-packs
have been called in to do the job when they very seldom posted here
before. I don't belong to any pack so I am free to do and say what I
want....but that doesn't mean that the pack doesn't attack me
continually....and that is your husband's pack instructed by him to do
so.
*better include Paulette as part of the cat-attack, and funny I
thought Sickmut was a dog not a cat...Oh well. The pack is growing
every day - and I hope you have the decency not to join it in spite of
your relationship with Dingle Sr.
The old gals are worried about me not getting 'blame'....and for what
one would wonder....for saying your husband and Karen have worked
together for some time.
If you want to blame me for breaking up the Pat Kholi-Nima
Hazini-Dermod Ryder-Susan Maneck...gig I will take some
responsibility, but when I started exposing the alliance I didn't
realize I could be effecting salaries other than susans...so I
apologize there.
If you want to blame me for the cruel remarks your husband has made to
others....that is well documented long before I got here...I just used
some of my own experiences for example.
I read in a recent post from you to Cal that George and you used to
spend a lot of time together on the phone....tell the truth...does
this mean Dermod is acting like this towards George out of an old
jealousy, perhaps? How come Dermod didn't tell Zuhur that he knew
George when he applied to get on the list? There are a lot of
questions here about this old relationship.
J - Starr*
news:<20030602000904...@mb-m16.aol.com>...
Cal E. Rollins
Well, from the Biosphere one gets the idea not necessarily the image.
You lived on a sloop not a sampan. That was close you've got to admit,
since they both begin with an "s." But is a sloop as romantic as a
sampan? I was beginning to build you as a James Bondian Baha'i passing
through bullets and danger hardly scathed like we do in Guatemala and
Katmandu. --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
I learned of Dermod and George separately, and I always got a distinct
impression that they were two sides of the same coin and, strangely,
great friends. Your statement confirms my intuition which sometimes I
start not having faith in. Too bad they both claim not to be Baha'is,
because they've got the energy and ingenuity that it looks like Ireland
(and the whole UK) needs. Good luck! You've got a long row to hoe with
Dermod, but it sounds like fun.
And George does needlework? Fantastic! So does Rosey Greer of American
football fame. I saw some of his needlepoint. Two weeks ago on the
bus, I saw a black guy in a wheelchair (I was pissed at him because he
ran over my already tired foot as he was getting situated). Just as my
fluming was building he pulled out a plastic bag and began to crochet a
fantastic fez that I had noticed on a number of black Muslim (Nation of
Islam) men in San Francisco. Later, I asked a longtime San Francisco
resident friend about him, and he said he was famous and has had a
couple of newspaper articles on him. How many Baha'is in this world get
run over by a famous crochet artist in a wheelchair and who is a Black
Muslim? Hope I see him again. --Cal
errol9
paula_ry...@btopenworld.com wrote on 2/6/03 2:57 am:
> Cal, I have known George for many, many years. Like you, I admire his
> artistic talent greatly. I used to be a member of The Northern Ireland
> Baha'i Choir - (now unfortunately defunct.) We used to accompany George's
> excellent Art Exhibition to many towns around Northern Ireland and sing at
> the Opening Nights. His work was (rightly) highly acclaimed. I also used
> to give up some of my free time to travel to Belfast and act as
> Attendant/Caretaker for a Baha'i Arts and Crafts Exhibition, which included
> some of his very good Needlework. He is undoubtedly, a gifted Artist.
If her Husband knew all this Interfaith art work I have been involved in as
a Baha'i for 10 Years why did he call me a Protestand Bastard and a
sectarian Bigot when he knew rightly this was a gross untruth?
>
> Sometimes I agree with things my husband believes, does, says or posts,
> sometimes I do not. Dermod is big enough and ugly enough to be responsible
> for his own actions.
Yes, but does this very naive woman not realise that its her Husband's foul
tounge on the internet which drew the response from me. By calling me what
he did he classified me as one of our country's UDA's cornerboy loyalist
thugs who never work, use drugs and are out half the night terrorising the
community. I worked all my life very hard from I was 15 years of age and I
am coming up to 62 years of age. I have never lived such a life and took
what Dermod Ryder called me as a great insult. It was other Bahais who told
me her husband was a waster and cornerboy. so I decided to tell all on TRB
it was Dermod Ryder who was the cornerboy waster who never could hold down
a worthwhile job, all his life. When her husband Dermod Ryder retracts from
calling me a Protestant Bastard I will then and only then retract from
calling him a coward, a Fenian and a waster. It takes two apoligies here
not one. So she better let her husband know he has to apoligise here also.
> What concerns me here, is the depth of emotion - seeming hatred - that
> George has for Dermod. It is so consuming that he (George) will, for
> example, use our child and our financial status, to try to score points!
It was this Paula's husband who brought their disabled daughter into the
argument in the first instance as a cover up for not working at a regular
job. He brought the poor child's disabled condition as an emotional buffer
into the argument between him and me.
> (Please see, e.g., posting of 22nd September 2002 and around that time.) He
> has, on numerous occasions, told lies about Dermod and indeed, our family.
> I have enough pride in my name and character to NOT want to be referred to
> as the "poor wife" (except in a humorous way) or our little girl as "a
> defensiveless, disabled child"; and all in such a condescending way!
Now Paula is also using their disabled daughter as an emotional buffer to
help smokescreen over the the nasty sectarian remarks her husband said to me
and I retaliated likewise.
Is this woman so naive to not realise if her husband was not on the internet
as a dirty cyberfighter none of this would have happened, Does she not also
realise that her husband has brought all this on himself, and it would be a
good idea for him to leave TRB for her sake and her daughter's sake.
I live alone and I have no family responsibilities. But if I was Dermod
Ryder who say's he is a loving husband and a caring father TRB would be the
last place he should want to be.
Errol
Cal E. Rollins
Arsebiscuits and the Corpus Christi? Don't forget that it has been
alleged that the Buddha compared Himself to dog poop on a stick in the
courtyard. So I'm starting to meditate on whether the Manifestations
get hung up on us getting hung up on Them or not. Reverence and respect
are taking on a new meaning. However, I did go out to Bed, Bath, and
Beyond and spend a lot of money on a really nice reading rack for my
bathroom and have also learned not to put Baha'i books on the floor next
to my favorite reading chair in the livingroom. The Persians from my
youth taught me something I can use. --Cal
errol9
Hey Kohli,
Can't you keep you promises after ordering the rest of your rat pack to
kilfile little ol Errol now you cant keep your redneck trap shut.
The least you could have done was pay respects to Dermod' wife, by answering
her post, instead of trying to bait me into the rat trap again.
Maybe its time to put you in my trash can, and set you on fire.
Errol
in article 3EDADC09...@ameritel.net, Pat Kohli at
kohliCUT...@ameritel.net wrote on 2/6/03 5:09 am:
errol9
Rollins at crol...@webtv.net wrote on 2/6/03 10:01 am:
> And George does needlework? Fantastic!
Yeah, I did a post Grad (Dip) in Fine and Applied arts after I finished my
degree in Fine art (Painting) Cal. For a Year I experimented with the cloth
medium and made numerous silk, linen and mixed media wallhangings and
handmade paper collages. I also constructed many contempory patchwork quilts
( of both the bed and wallhanging variety). I had a number of successful
exibitions after leaving University. But later returned to visual art (oil
painting) and writing for the past 12 years or more.
I still have a sewing studio at the top of my flat with loads of different
sewing machines in it. But I havent been in the studio for about five years.
I might take it up again if take the notion..............Errol
Paul Hammond
> Hey Kohli,
>
> Can't you keep you promises after ordering the rest of your rat pack to
> kilfile little ol Errol now you cant keep your redneck trap shut.
>
Poor baby George!
1) Pat doesn't order people.
2) Pat replied to *my* message. This means you might well actually
be in his killfile.
3) You just replied to me by saying "I notice no-one like Pat
Kholi bothered to say anything to Paula" - which is rather
somewhat like daring Mr Kholi to report you, saying "they
will only tell you to get with the programme and support
me" - which turned out to be untrue, didn't it?
Quit whining when people take up your challenges!
> The least you could have done was pay respects to Dermod' wife, by answering
> her post, instead of trying to bait me into the rat trap again.
>
> Maybe its time to put you in my trash can, and set you on fire.
>
>
You are threatening people with physical violence again?
Didn't you learn anything from the bomb threat you made
to Dermod?
Paul
Paul Hammond
> in article c977f97b.03060...@posting.google.com, Paul Hammond at
> paha...@onetel.net.uk wrote on 2/6/03 1:22 am:
>
>
> > "So as long as you two Catholics continue to attack the headquarters
> > of my religious belief and call members of my beloved Universal House
> > in Haifa disgraceful filthy names I will start attacking your
> > religious headquarters the Vatican next and start calling your Pope
> > the anti-Christ from now on."
> >
> > were your exact words, I believe.
>
> Today I am not a Bahai so that quote above is absolete.
So, you didn't say it? Or now you don't mean it?
Seems like I might be right - now he's no longer a Baha'i,
the level of Prod bigotry is going down too.
<snip whining>
>
> You Guys on TRB help make me realise the wrong road I was following
> supporting such a cult as Baha'ism, and it was never the Pope who an
> anti-christ but Baha'u'llah instead who is the Anti-Christ.
>
> So what do you say now Paul Hammond when from now on in you and and your
> BIGS buddies Kohli, Walker, Maneck, have helped me greatly realise its both
> the Bab and Baha'u'llah who are false prophets and are both ANTICHRISTS.
>
> Old Red Socks in the Vatican, and the Good Catholics on TRB are following
> the true gospel, and you Hammond and your BIGs buddies are all wrong.
>
Oops! Spoke too soon. There is still a strong vein of Prod
bigotry in this loser.
>
> Errol the fearless apostate
Paul, the ardent opponent of whining bastards.
Paul Hammond
I guess, this one goes into my threat file, with the other
one.
Paul
errol9
sekhm...@aol.com.nz wrote on 2/6/03 4:09 am:
> Alma wrote:
> Oh, I am here and reading all replies. Starrs was the first one and as
> expected she posted a long song and dance blaming everyone but herself.
> And you follow suit. I have kept Paula's post as 'unread' because I
> eventually may reply to the lady.
Well Alma how many Baha'is in your community would be in favour of you
writing such hurtful heartbreaking poems about Starr* and myself?
Maybe you should start a poetry class for fundie BIGS and pray for divine
guidance that the sword of Baha'u'llah will guide the pen of forboding prose
to construct shitty ditty's about ex-Bahai apostates?.
Likewise you can pray that the Maid of Heaven will guide the pen of sweet
smelling nightingales warbling under the guidance of the divine Universal
House to write unshitty ditty's for loyal fundie BIGS................Errol
Brian Walker
I would say: "It is your soul, and your problem. Deal with it."
Brian
>
>
>
--
Brian F. Walker
Registered Linux User 270078
Debian GNU/Linux
Brian Walker
harbour, and the knowledge that you could just pull up the anchor and
sail away .... or the dawn entry into the harbour again, in time for
Monday morning work ....
--
Brian Walker
into it ....
Jeremiah wrote:
> Brian Walker <bfwa...@net-yan.com> wrote in message news:<bbd31t$7thoc$2...@ID-164902.news.dfncis.de>...
>
>>Jeremiah wrote:
>>
>>>crol...@webtv.net (Cal E. Rollins) wrote in message news:<6493-3ED...@storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Star,
>>>>
>>>>Shame on you. Just because Brian said he lived in a sampan doesn't mean
>>>>he's of low estate.
>>>
>>>
>>>What is of low estate is his acid tongue and heart...and home is where
>>>the heart is....hence a low SQ (spiritual quotient). BTW, wasn't that
>>>a sandbox he lives in, not a sampan.....it sounds like we should chip
>>>in and send him a years supply of Depenz for incontinece :>)
>>>
>>>Starr*
>>>
>>
>>poor Clod-eeaww, you just can't keep up, can you? Never mind. Your rich
>>variety of lies and fantasy are a delight to all of us who respect
>>honour and truth - without you, TRB would be much duller.
>>
>>Brian
>
>
> Thanx for the left handed complement --- but it turns out my fantasy
> as you call is the way things have gone down here on TRB....and you
> have been part of it.
You have been shown time and agian to have lied and fantasized - for
you, truth is fluid. Often bilious fluid.
>
> Brian - I did wake up thinking about you today. I was wondering how
> and why you became so bitter and fanticised about the youth in Asia
> and their young innocent beautiful bodies that you wrote
> about....hence I was able to write that piece on 'paedophilia' in
> answer to Darricks questions.
You have it back-asswards, Clod-eeaww. The "youth in Asia" is a
homophone and pun, deflecting from the suggested euthanasia (as it was
to be applied to you) ... you have demonstrated with your statements
that you had not the first clue about what had actually been written.
This either means you did not read properly, or that you did, but failed
to comprehend. Personally I prefer to believe you did not read.
>
> I actually feel some sadness for what I think has befallen you and I
> plan to write a poem 'Being Brian Walker'. Brian you have never shown
> one shred of what 'honor' or 'truth' is since I have met you on this
> forum....only ugly, hurtful and, as you call it, *invective* which
> gives insight into you sandbox.
Demonstrating honour to you is probably best done by weeding you out as
a liar and wastrel.
Truth is a state you fail to comprehend.
>
> Have a nice Peter Hollingsworth Day, but....
> I think it is time for you to come out of the woods....Jeremiah-Starr*
Google will show you more of me. Again, personally, I would hope your
malicious eye passes over - I really do detest you as sub-human by
choice - a poor state to be in, and for which you will be called to
account. Wake up now - for your soul's sake - and repent.
Brian
errol9
> Didn't you learn anything from the bomb threat you made
> to Dermod?
>
> Paul
That lie is played out Fuckwit. So you are coming over to Ireland to have a
drunken weekend and suck Fenian Goofy's cock Paulette, the closet Gay.
Errol
errol9
bfwa...@net-yan.com wrote on 2/6/03 1:34 pm:
>> I made the greatest mistake in my life by becoming a Baha'i and a warning to
>> any newcommer reading these posts. Please beware of Baha'is and their lies.
>>
>> Errol the fearless apostate
>
> I would say: "It is your soul, and your problem. Deal with it."
So you have a whiter than white soul Mr Doctor?
>
> Brian
errol9
bfwa...@net-yan.com wrote on 2/6/03 1:41 pm:
> Oh it was great ... waking up as the sun rose, to the view of the
> harbour, and the knowledge that you could just pull up the anchor and
> sail away .... or the dawn entry into the harbour again, in time for
> Monday morning work ....
Anyone who has a yacht or schooner that you described is a total nutter who
spends his time on TRB like you do over the weekend.
You dont even own a sanpan or a rowing boat never mind a large sailing
schooner. What a bullshitter the walter middy Hong Kong Quack is.
Errol
errol9
> Paul, the ardent opponent of whining bastards.
You mean Paulette the Faggot who is coming to ireland to suck fenian Goofy's
cock.................Errol
errol9
> Quit whining when people take up your challenges!
here is my address
545a Lisburn Road
Belfast BT9 7GQ
N ireland
Now you take up my challenge and give me your address.
remember your 31 and I amd 61, so who is the scared baby now
Errol
Cal E. Rollins
Hey wait a darn minute you two! Another racist Baha'i remark. Who told
you the soul was white? How can something you can't see, or know, or
evaluate be white or any other color? Sounds like wishful thinking to
me or cultural bias and sloppy religious thinking. Shoot, fellow, we
can't even prove the soul exists, although we wish that it did. But
apparently most of us Baha'is don't believe in it or we'd change our
ways. Right? Allah knows, Baha'u'llah has told us often enough what
happens to our soul for just the slightest (we think) infraction. So we
can't blame Him if He turns out to be right. Right? --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Religion takes up an awful lot of creative artists' time, and frequently
it seems to impede their art and even stifle it. Why is that, you
think? Just about every Baha'i working artist I know faces that
dilemma. My best friend had a scholarship to Actor's Studio but turned
it down to pioneer and live in the South. And, of course, there is the
Angst we feel when we push everything aside to do our art. But I do
remember years ago when students made the Guardian aware of our dilemma.
Of course, he was ever pragmatic when he told us to teach and study and
pioneer at the same time. Lots of the lazy ones just pioneered or
taught, while the guys now at the top of the Baha'i heap studied and got
degrees at Ivy League and Top Ten schools. Can you figure that one out?
I sure can't. --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Well, I envy you the experience. My secret fantasy has always been to
live on a nicely appointed houseboat on a safely sheltered Caribbean
beach like maybe in Barbados and watch the world float by. The Guardian
sure knew what he was talking about when he told us Americans what we
ought to be doing to be happier. Here is my ideal world. --Cal
Keep Smilin'
Barbados
When you've got one eye working,
the wrong side of a taxi
on the wrong side of the road
(ocean side at that)
make Magic
Mountain senior-friendly.
And the sand-crabs: To have sent one
to crab-glory would have personalized
divinity but wouldn't save the browning
plantains and the sickly breadfruit.
In my mind, though, I see the water,
feel it warm, and the clear drop
of the ocean floor; the fish
like darting prisms.
And further out, the back of a Barbajan
in red trunks against black thighs;
his tee-shirt with logo stretched
to its limits: "Keep Smile In." And the sun;
blackened fish and scampi wafting up-beach.
His sailboat, yellow and green.
Cal E. Rollins
NO ROOSTERS IN THIS BLUE CITY
Kalimat Press, p. 18
Alma Engels
to see Starr give herself a star.
I think a pat
upon her back
low and hard would help her more.
Alma
"Jeremiah" <Jere...@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
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Alma Engels
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Alma Engels
when you cleanse your soul and repent.news:BB011D54.272CD%err...@ntlworld.com...
Alma Engels
As I have said before a black racist is as ugly as any other.
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Alma Engels
>
>
Cal E. Rollins
You sound like you've got a black gripe? In regard to the soul read my
lips as well as the post you're responding to. I said that the soul
couldn't have any color (white, black, or any other), If indeed it
exists. Why do you white folk want to make everything good white?
Beats me all to hell and back (if I believed in such a place.) --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
There you go again. Perpetuating white religious myth. Find me a
religion that's got the world's people in it that says the soul is
white. Most of them would run away from a white soul saying it was from
"the Dead Zone." Get world-conscious and join humanity out there in the
real world apart from Phoenix, or whereever. --Cal
Paul Hammond
No.
I'm coming over to Northern Ireland to beat you up, you sad,
nasty old Prod bigotted bastard of a cunt.
Paul
Paul Hammond
I would say: "Brian's soul is neither your problem, nor your
business", Mr Artist.
Paul
errol9
Come on then give us your address now you have mine, and we will see how
tough you are. Or are you scared to give your address you cowardly little
limey faggot.
>
> Paul
errol9
What about your soul Paulette, with all those old mens cocks you sucked you
limey faggot. You will have some explaining there to Baha'u'llah wont you.
Errol
>
> Paul
Brian Walker
Did I say that? I think not. Why do you say it? (Yes, yes, I know - you
have no real sense of thought, no powers of discrimination or reasoning
... silly of me to ask you for a rational explanation .... but one can
hope!)
Brian Walker
Paul's soul is neither your problem, nor your business.
Brian Walker
errol9 wrote:
> in article bbfk4s$8vkrb$3...@ID-164902.news.dfncis.de, Brian Walker at
> bfwa...@net-yan.com wrote on 2/6/03 1:41 pm:
>
>
>>Oh it was great ... waking up as the sun rose, to the view of the
>>harbour, and the knowledge that you could just pull up the anchor and
>>sail away .... or the dawn entry into the harbour again, in time for
>>Monday morning work ....
>
>
> Anyone who has a yacht or schooner that you described is a total nutter who
> spends his time on TRB like you do over the weekend.
>
> You dont even own a sanpan or a rowing boat never mind a large sailing
> schooner. What a bullshitter the walter middy Hong Kong Quack is.
>
Oh you poor sad old man ....
Brian
Cal E. Rollins
Boy do you make dumb comments! How on earth would tarring and
feathering a soul make it black? Even tarring and feathering you
wouldn't make you black--unless you used black feathers. You're black
and it has nothing to do with external factors. It's the internal
factor of our genes and that one drop of black blood American whites
have from slavery. --Cal
Brian Walker
that colour is not important. If it is made important, then whatever the
color of that person, it is a mistake. It was a mistake to practise
slavery, and it is a mistake to call everyone black despite the colour
of the skin. We are all, after all, children of God.
Brian
--
errol9
bfwa...@net-yan.com wrote on 3/6/03 12:29 am:
>> I would say: "Brian's soul is neither your problem, nor your
>>> business", Mr Artist.
>>
> Paul's soul is neither your problem, nor your business.
Yeah, well I am making it my fecking business. What are you going to do
about it, you right pair of unholy souls. A Paulette soul and a Quack soul
both stuck together as two AO faggot moles...........Errol
MOST@btinternet.com Dermod Ryder
"Brian Walker" <bfwa...@net-yan.com> wrote in message
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Undue optimism, Brian! It's about to become a fault with you! Sorry but I
must speak the truth!
Dermod.
MOST@btinternet.com Dermod Ryder
Don't forget the "little" and "bored" so it should read: -
"You poor sad, little bored old man"
Isn't that better? Yes! I do believe it is!
Dermod.
Alma Engels
mourning. Elsewhere -- think it is China -- white is. Machts nicht. If we
removed all the words and phrases that someone objected to, there would
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Alma Engels
years till I finally tired of reading it in every post of yours. Color is
not important.news:7897-3ED...@storefull-2338.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Alma Engels
does not make me black. You are a Johnny One Note on this just as George
and Starr on other matters.news:4354-3ED...@storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Alma Engels
treatment of the Japanese in the US during WW2 and the stealing of lands
from the natives already there not only in the US but elsewhere and the
trying to convert people to a different religion and type of government,
etc.news:bbgrde$9c4r1$1...@ID-164902.news.dfncis.de...
Brian Walker
That does not surprise me. You are still wrong - you have no right to
make anyone else's soul your business. But you have never respected
anyone else, so why change now?
What am I going to do about it? Why H! What can I do about it? You are a
twat, and you remain a twat, and I cannot change that at all.
errol9
bfwa...@net-yan.com wrote on 3/6/03 9:30 am:
If I am such a twat why are you and Paulette so keen to give nearly 90% of
your TRB posts towards answering posts I send to other posters.
Why you and him are so fasinated to correspond with such a twat like me on
TRB beats the cookie. Why dont you give youself a break and go and play on
that ocean going schooner you tell us all you own?..........Errol
Cal E. Rollins
Who says color is not important? Talk about naivete. Most of the
world's people revolve around color. Even Baha'is. Why do we talk with
pride about our Figures' ivory skins and blue eyes. Even Baha'u'llah
describes the Maid of Heaven as having lovely white skin. Go figure,
you naive but well-meaning persons you. --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
Johnny One Note. Yep, I sure am on your being black. According to my
genealogist friend, the only way you can say you're white is to have a
thorough genealogy done by experts like the Mormons. If you've got any
black slave ancestors, which 95 percent of Americans allegedly do, then
you're not white but black. Of course, the American government, after
the last Census debacle, is trying to change that by dropping the one
drop of black blood law in the books. Hard to change the facts at this
late date however. Black black folks won't let 'em. --Cal
Paul Hammond
My soul is none of your business either.
Look to your own spiritual welfare, for with all this backbiting,
your own soul is in grave peril.
Paul
Paul Hammond
You can't make it your business, because it just isn't.
Paul
Cal E. Rollins
Cavepersons' grunts and groans, please. We must be politically correct
as well as selective in our language. The House of Justice would
probably say "Cavepeoples'." --Cal
Cal E. Rollins
I can't argue against we're all children of Allah, although I can't
prove the Allah part. However, I do know that if African Genesis is
correct we're all black children of Allah (check out the DNA stuff).
Even the Faith seems to believe that color and race are important.
Maybe in the Golden Age of Mankind that might cease to be. So face
facts and stop being naive. Are you sure you live in China and don't
think race and color important? Geez. --Cal
Paul Hammond
> in article c977f97b.03060...@posting.google.com, Paul Hammond at
> paha...@onetel.net.uk wrote on 2/6/03 11:31 pm:
>
> > errol9 <err...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:<BB0115B3.272B1%err...@ntlworld.com>...
> >> in article c977f97b.03060...@posting.google.com, Paul Hammond at
> >> paha...@onetel.net.uk wrote on 2/6/03 12:41 pm:
> >>
> >>> Didn't you learn anything from the bomb threat you made
> >>> to Dermod?
> >>>
> >>> Paul
> >>
> >> That lie is played out Fuckwit. So you are coming over to Ireland to have a
> >> drunken weekend and suck Fenian Goofy's cock Paulette, the closet Gay.
> >>
> >
> > No.
> >
> > I'm coming over to Northern Ireland to beat you up, you sad,
> > nasty old Prod bigotted bastard of a cunt.
>
> Come on then give us your address now you have mine, and we will see how
> tough you are. Or are you scared to give your address you cowardly little
> limey faggot.
Normal people don't give out addresses on the internet. So you
can whistle for that.
btw, I am detecting a lot of anger towards gay people in your
posts. What's up, are you jealous of those that have already
come out? Did tolerance of gay folk come too late for you, and
you are chagrined that you missed your chance to suck on another
man's cock and be not ashamed of what you are?
Paul
errol9
paha...@onetel.net.uk wrote on 3/6/03 4:47 pm:
>>> I'm coming over to Northern Ireland to beat you up, you sad,
>>> nasty old Prod bigotted bastard of a cunt.
>>
>> Come on then give us your address now you have mine, and we will see how
>> tough you are. Or are you scared to give your address you cowardly little
>> limey faggot.
>
> Normal people don't give out addresses on the internet. So you
> can whistle for that.
Cowardly cunt.
>
> btw, I am detecting a lot of anger towards gay people in your
> posts. What's up, are you jealous of those that have already
> come out? Did tolerance of gay folk come too late for you, and
> you are chagrined that you missed your chance to suck on another
> man's cock and be not ashamed of what you are?
You will detect a stick of semtex, if you get it rammed up your limey arse.
Its just faggots like you whose guts I hate fuckwit.........Errol
>
> Paul