A dream I had last night
Geeman
There's a tank on the sidewalk parallel to the street.
It turns it's turret toward me, keeping me in it's sights
as I pass by.
Then I pass another which does the same.
Two steel dinosaurs with artillery.
In real life tanks are very large and terrifying.
Many brave men have lost control of their bodily
functions at the sight of rapidly approaching tanks.
I segue to the Middle East.
A cross-armed hawkish manager of some kind stands before
three large tanks parked neatly in a row.
He's yammering about American might and ingenuity as the
tanks extract oil.
(Physical laws don't apply in dreams, but symbolism does.)
They remind me of giant, frightening ticks pressed against
the earth, sucking hydrocarbon blood.
Instead of sand, they're parked on neatly manicured grass,
each one set on the short grass of a golf course hole.
The hawk yammers on.
Suddenly I lose my temper and shout,
"I don't care HOW powerful we are, they're gonna wipe us OUT!"
I don't know what the chances of that are, but we have enraged
the entire Muslim world and there are a LOT of Arabs in
the Middle East.
Remember Custer before you laugh.
And watch as our soldiers are picked off one, two, seventeen
at a time.
American might allowed US to invade Iraq in cake walk fashion.
American arrogance has turned the entire Muslim world against us.
BTW, the reason why Custer's men were slaughtered was because
he ordered them to box up all their sabers so they wouldn't
rattle as they "snuck in."
Six shots from each Colt Percussion Revolver, then they were
defenseless. If they had had their sabers they might have prevailed.
The Sioux Nation were actually watching them as they tried
to sneak into the Little Big Horn.
Sounds very much like Iraq.
Little or no resistance as "We" rode in, but now the small arms
are out and guerilla war is in full swing.
How do you defeat a Super Power?
--Let them invade you first...
Remember my old rantings about how Iraq would become
another Vietnam-like quagmire?
Was I right?
One more question:
Does anyone believe the the Iraqi resistance is simply
the work of "terrorists?"
Don Swayser
> I'm walking along the sidewalk near my house.
> There's a tank on the sidewalk parallel to the street.
> It turns it's turret toward me, keeping me in it's sights
> as I pass by.
> Then I pass another which does the same.
> Two steel dinosaurs with artillery.
It was just a dream, the Soviet Union exists no more.
> In real life tanks are very large and terrifying.
Like you've actually had some experience.
> Many brave men have lost control of their bodily
> functions at the sight of rapidly approaching tanks.
>
Maybe I was wrong. Personal experience?
> I segue to the Middle East.
> A cross-armed hawkish manager of some kind stands before
> three large tanks parked neatly in a row.
Hussein's gone too.
> He's yammering about American might and ingenuity as the
> tanks extract oil.
> (Physical laws don't apply in dreams, but symbolism does.)
Yeah, I bet America gave Hussein the whim whams.
> They remind me of giant, frightening ticks pressed against
> the earth, sucking hydrocarbon blood.
> Instead of sand, they're parked on neatly manicured grass,
> each one set on the short grass of a golf course hole.
> The hawk yammers on.
> Suddenly I lose my temper and shout,
> "I don't care HOW powerful we are, they're gonna wipe us OUT!"
>
Never had a drean where I was an Iraqi. Must be awful.
> I don't know what the chances of that are, but we have enraged
> the entire Muslim world and there are a LOT of Arabs in
> the Middle East.
> Remember Custer before you laugh.
I know Custer was outgunned. Little known fact. The seventh cavalry were
issued single shot rolling block rifles. The indians were equipped with
Winchester seven shot lever action repeaters. Puts things in a whole new
light, doesn't it?
> And watch as our soldiers are picked off one, two, seventeen
> at a time.
>
They volunteered. Who are you to criticize their choice. You anti-choice
or sompin.
> American might allowed US to invade Iraq in cake walk fashion.
> American arrogance has turned the entire Muslim world against us.
>
Oh? You wouldn't happen to know how many broke diplomatic relations with
us, do you?
> BTW, the reason why Custer's men were slaughtered was because
> he ordered them to box up all their sabers so they wouldn't
> rattle as they "snuck in."
Like sabers would have helped them against Winchester rifles. I was
wrong. You've had no personal combat experience or you'd know how
ignorant you sound right now.
> Six shots from each Colt Percussion Revolver, then they were
> defenseless. If they had had their sabers they might have prevailed.
> The Sioux Nation were actually watching them as they tried
> to sneak into the Little Big Horn.
>
Yeah, you're an idiot. A pistol has an effective range of about 50 yds.
A winchester with a range of 300 has them just slightly outranged. And
again with the sabers? A saber has an effective rabge of four or so feet
depending on the lenght of the arm. You really are massively ignorant.
The folks at the civil war interest group will get a good laugh out of
this. Excuse me while I print this out.
I'm back.
> Sounds very much like Iraq.
> Little or no resistance as "We" rode in, but now the small arms
> are out and guerilla war is in full swing.
Oh, our troops boxed up their sabers. Gee, I was never issued one. Maybe
that's why we lost in Vietnam also, huh? But wait a minute, the Japanese
had sabers and they got beat awfull bad. Banzai attacks by saber
weilding officers got wiped out to a man. Maybe you just might possibly
be wrong about those fearsome sabers, ya think?
> How do you defeat a Super Power?
Arm your team with sabers? Now there I think they would be effective,
but isn't there some silly rules about weapons?
> --Let them invade you first...
>
> Remember my old rantings about how Iraq would become
> another Vietnam-like quagmire?
> Was I right?
>
No. You're so massively ignorant you can't tell the difference between a
war and minor skirmishing.
> One more question:
> Does anyone believe the the Iraqi resistance is simply
> the work of "terrorists?"
Yes. Hussein was a terrorists and so are the people fighting American
troops. Why do you think its all in the Hussein triangle dumpling?
--
If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarantee an
equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other.
Carl Schurz (1829-1906)
Brian Quincy Hutchings
oil is just biomass -- "fossileum" is just a trade name,
that has no meaning whatever;
has anyone ever carbon-dated the stuff?
re the Iraq push-over,
this is what LaRouche has been saying for some time.
http://larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2003/031128_iraq_statement.html
gedu...@hotmail.com (Geeman) wrote in message news:<3635337f.03120...@posting.google.com>...
> the earth, sucking hydrocarbon blood.
> American might allowed US to invade Iraq in cake walk fashion.
> American arrogance has turned the entire Muslim world against us.
>
> BTW, the reason why Custer's men were slaughtered was because
> he ordered them to box up all their sabers so they wouldn't
> rattle as they "snuck in."
> Six shots from each Colt Percussion Revolver, then they were
> defenseless. If they had had their sabers they might have prevailed.
> Little or no resistance as "We" rode in, but now the small arms
> are out and guerilla war is in full swing.
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Mr.Foo
> tanks extract oil.
> (Physical laws don't apply in dreams, but symbolism does.)
> They remind me of giant, frightening ticks pressed against
> the earth, sucking hydrocarbon blood.
Like a broken record.
> Suddenly I lose my temper and shout,
> "I don't care HOW powerful we are, they're gonna wipe us OUT!"
>
> I don't know what the chances of that are, but we have enraged
> the entire Muslim world and there are a LOT of Arabs in
> the Middle East.
> Remember Custer before you laugh.
> And watch as our soldiers are picked off one, two, seventeen
> at a time.
>
> American might allowed US to invade Iraq in cake walk fashion.
> American arrogance has turned the entire Muslim world against us.
>
American secularism and the lingering after-effects of old Soviet
propaganda are what has turned the Muslim world against the US.
I know because I was there. The whole time.
> BTW, the reason why Custer's men were slaughtered was because
> he ordered them to box up all their sabers so they wouldn't
> rattle as they "snuck in."
> Six shots from each Colt Percussion Revolver, then they were
> defenseless. If they had had their sabers they might have prevailed.
> The Sioux Nation were actually watching them as they tried
> to sneak into the Little Big Horn.
>
Custer's men were slaughtered by math. There were 600 cavalrymen, and
well over 10,000 native american warriors. Even if the Natives hadn't
the advantage of cover, mobility, and initiative, Custer would have
lost anyway.
And it wasn't the Sioux. It was an amalgum of many tribes that had
left the reservations in response to the Ghost Dance Movement.
> Sounds very much like Iraq.
> Little or no resistance as "We" rode in, but now the small arms
> are out and guerilla war is in full swing.
> How do you defeat a Super Power?
> --Let them invade you first...
>
> Remember my old rantings about how Iraq would become
> another Vietnam-like quagmire?
> Was I right?
>
No, you weren't. And you still aren't.
> One more question:
> Does anyone believe the the Iraqi resistance is simply
> the work of "terrorists?"
Are you honestly naive enough to believe the tripe you write? I
certainly hope not.
SKD
> the entire Muslim world and there are a LOT of Arabs in
> the Middle East.
It's not just the Muslim world, remember the number of protesters in
London, the sentiment cuts across the nations. Hence comes the
question, what will be the exit strategy? Considering they are digging
themselves deeper and deeper into a the hole by killing Iraqis "in
Iraq" everyday.
Common Sense
> American arrogance has turned the entire Muslim world against us.
>
I guess the Gallup Poll of Baghdad is all lies. The only people in
the Middle East that hate us are the terrorists and those that harbor
them. Stop spewing lies.
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Sept. 24 (UPI) -- Nearly two-thirds of Baghdad
residents say the removal of Saddam Hussein was worth the hardships
they have endured, a report said Wednesday.
Despite the collapse of government and civic institutions, looting and
violence and shortages of water and electricity, 67 percent of 1,178
Iraqis told a Gallup survey team within five years, their lives will
be better than before the U.S.-led invasion.
Only 8 percent of those queried said they believed their lives would
be worse off as a result of the military campaign to remove Saddam and
his Baath Party leadership, the New York Times reported.
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20030924-080344-5035r.htm
Don Swayser
and you've snapped completely? :)
Geeman wrote:
--
Geeman
> > American might allowed US to invade Iraq in cake walk fashion.
> > American arrogance has turned the entire Muslim world against us.
> >
> I guess the Gallup Poll of Baghdad is all lies. The only people in
> the Middle East that hate us are the terrorists and those that harbor
> them. Stop spewing lies.
"There are three kinds of lies; lies, damn lies and statistics."
--Mark Twain
"Add 'Polls' the the above list."
--Geeman
Just how do you reach enough people in the war-torn, chaotic
state that was (and is) Iraq to do any kind of accurate poll?
They'll think you're a crazy person with a clip board.
When people are starving, thirsty, sick and/or homeless, they
will TAKE that poll and use it as kindling, or toilet paper.
"Sir, your life savings is gone because the government that
backed the currency has been removed by invading US forces.
You have no electricity, your water is tainted, food is scarce.
So, do you think you're better off now without Saddam?
By the way, is that your daughter lying dead on the floor?"
Iraqi resistance is not terrorism.
It's a response to being invaded by a foreign power.
Resistance volunteers are also trickling in every day
from surrounding areas.
BTW, it occured to me that the tanks in my dream that
had me literally under the gun _might_ have represented
the growing fascism of "Homeland Security" right here
in the US of A.
>
> BAGHDAD, Iraq, Sept. 24 (UPI) -- Nearly two-thirds of Baghdad
> residents say the removal of Saddam Hussein was worth the hardships
> they have endured, a report said Wednesday.
>
> Despite the collapse of government and civic institutions, looting and
> violence and shortages of water and electricity, 67 percent of 1,178
> Iraqis told a Gallup survey team within five years, their lives will
> be better than before the U.S.-led invasion.
>
> Only 8 percent of those queried said they believed their lives would
> be worse off as a result of the military campaign to remove Saddam and
> his Baath Party leadership, the New York Times reported.
The New York Times:
"Only the news we WANT you to hear."
> http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20030924-080344-5035r.htm
Freeman
Don Swayser <swa...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<bWwzb.21594$N.104...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
Freeman
"Don't email me about this Foo guy, because he ain't real". (A famous
old quote -- almost.)
There's a lot of it about --!
Geeman
> > tanks extract oil.
> > (Physical laws don't apply in dreams, but symbolism does.)
> > They remind me of giant, frightening ticks pressed against
> > the earth, sucking hydrocarbon blood.
> > "I don't care HOW powerful we are, they're gonna wipe us OUT!"
> >
> > I don't know what the chances of that are, but we have enraged
> > the entire Muslim world and there are a LOT of Arabs in
> > the Middle East.
> > Remember Custer before you laugh.
> > And watch as our soldiers are picked off one, two, seventeen
> > at a time.
> >
> > American might allowed US to invade Iraq in cake walk fashion.
> > American arrogance has turned the entire Muslim world against us.
> American secularism and the lingering after-effects of old Soviet
> propaganda are what has turned the Muslim world against the US.
> I know because I was there. The whole time.
Troll.
> Custer's men were slaughtered by math. There were 600 cavalrymen, and
> well over 10,000 native american warriors.
*...with over 2,500 warriors*
Where did you get 10,000 warriors from?
> Even if the Natives hadn't
> the advantage of cover, mobility, and initiative, Custer would have
> lost anyway.
> And it wasn't the Sioux. It was an amalgum of many tribes that had
> left the reservations in response to the Ghost Dance Movement.
Present were the Cheyenne, Sans Arcs, Miniconjoux Sioux, Oglala
Sioux, Blackfeet and Hunkpapa Sioux
--Six tribes, three of them Sioux.
You think something similar might happen in the Middle East?
You think it may be brewing in Iraq right now?
> > Sounds very much like Iraq.
> > Little or no resistance as "We" rode in, but now the small arms
> > are out and guerilla war is in full swing.
> > How do you defeat a Super Power?
> > --Let them invade you first...
> >
> > Remember my old rantings about how Iraq would become
> > another Vietnam-like quagmire?
> > Was I right?
> No, you weren't. And you still aren't.
Even the mainstream media is abandoning the 'party line'
claim that Iraqi resistance is just "Terrorism."
http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?vts=120420030729&cp1=1
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Dec. 4 — Guerrillas attacked a police station in
central Iraq on Thursday
Iraq's escalating cycle of violence
As the U.S. military counters the growing rebellion in Iraq with more
firepower, residents caught in the middle get angrier and more bitter,
reports NBC's Andrea Mitchell.
--Looks like an "escallating" quagmire to me.
> > One more question:
> > Does anyone believe the the Iraqi resistance is simply
> > the work of "terrorists?"
>
> Are you honestly naive enough to believe the tripe you write? I
> certainly hope not.
Well, them 10,000 Injuns convinced me, pilgrim.
Geeman
> Geeman wrote:
>
> > I'm walking along the sidewalk near my house.
> > There's a tank on the sidewalk parallel to the street.
> > It turns it's turret toward me, keeping me in it's sights
> > as I pass by.
> > Then I pass another which does the same.
> > Two steel dinosaurs with artillery.
>
> > functions at the sight of rapidly approaching tanks.
>
> > A cross-armed hawkish manager of some kind stands before
> > three large tanks parked neatly in a row.
>
> > tanks extract oil.
> > (Physical laws don't apply in dreams, but symbolism does.)
>
> > the earth, sucking hydrocarbon blood.
> > Instead of sand, they're parked on neatly manicured grass,
> > each one set on the short grass of a golf course hole.
> > The hawk yammers on.
> > Suddenly I lose my temper and shout,
> > "I don't care HOW powerful we are, they're gonna wipe us OUT!"
> > I don't know what the chances of that are, but we have enraged
> > the entire Muslim world and there are a LOT of Arabs in
> > the Middle East.
> > Remember Custer before you laugh.
>
> I know Custer was outgunned. Little known fact. The seventh cavalry were
> issued single shot rolling block rifles. The indians were equipped with
> Winchester seven shot lever action repeaters. Puts things in a whole new
> light, doesn't it?
Firing rifles or pistols from galloping, bucking horses does not make
for accurate shooting.
Firearms are not the weapon of choice for close quarter melee on
horseback.
> > And watch as our soldiers are picked off one, two, seventeen
> > at a time.
> >
> They volunteered. Who are you to criticize their choice. You anti-choice
> or sompin.
That's really stupid. Try saying that to the families of the
dead and wounded.
> > American might allowed US to invade Iraq in cake walk fashion.
> > American arrogance has turned the entire Muslim world against us.
> >
> Oh? You wouldn't happen to know how many broke diplomatic relations with
> us, do you?
Anyone who breakos diplomatic ties with US is a "Terrosist" and
subject to attack, son.
> > BTW, the reason why Custer's men were slaughtered was because
> > he ordered them to box up all their sabers so they wouldn't
> > rattle as they "snuck in."
>
> Like sabers would have helped them against Winchester rifles. I was
> wrong. You've had no personal combat experience or you'd know how
> ignorant you sound right now.
Sabers are melee weapons.
Cavalry and Indian horsemen swarming around eachother constitute a
melee.
Ever grapple with someone while holding a rifle?
A knife is the best weapon in that case.
Cavalry melee battles, sabers are good.
Modern ground wars, assault and battle rifles (and the usual assorted
toys)
with air/artillery support is the way to go.
And no, they didn't have "Shake and Bake" or F4 Phantoms in Custer's
day.
> > Six shots from each Colt Percussion Revolver, then they were
> > defenseless. If they had had their sabers they might have prevailed.
> > The Sioux Nation were actually watching them as they tried
> > to sneak into the Little Big Horn.
> >
> Yeah, you're an idiot. A pistol has an effective range of about 50 yds.
> A winchester with a range of 300 has them just slightly outranged. And
Effectiveness is decreased when there are 50 of your own people in the
line of fire and you're firing while riding a panicked horse.
> again with the sabers? A saber has an effective rabge of four or so feet
> depending on the lenght of the arm. You really are massively ignorant.
Melee, friend.
> The folks at the civil war interest group will get a good laugh out of
> this. Excuse me while I print this out.
Please include this response, too.
> I'm back.
I'm thrilled...
> > Sounds very much like Iraq.
> > Little or no resistance as "We" rode in, but now the small arms
> > are out and guerilla war is in full swing.
>
> Oh, our troops boxed up their sabers. Gee, I was never issued one. Maybe
> that's why we lost in Vietnam also, huh? But wait a minute, the Japanese
> had sabers and they got beat awfull bad. Banzai attacks by saber
> weilding officers got wiped out to a man. Maybe you just might possibly
> be wrong about those fearsome sabers, ya think?
Custer's men might have been able to slice their way out and retreat
if they had their cutlery.
You know little to nothing about the differences between mounted
(cavalry) battles and modern ground wars.
> > How do you defeat a Super Power?
>
> Arm your team with sabers? Now there I think they would be effective,
> but isn't there some silly rules about weapons?
If everyone is on horseback in a MELEE battle, then melee weapons like
sabers are a very good choice.
> > --Let them invade you first...
> >
> > Remember my old rantings about how Iraq would become
> > another Vietnam-like quagmire?
> > Was I right?
> >
> No. You're so massively ignorant you can't tell the difference between a
> war and minor skirmishing.
Give it some time.
It will escallate.
Vietnam did, so did Afghanistan for the Soviets.
> > One more question:
> > Does anyone believe the the Iraqi resistance is simply
> > the work of "terrorists?"
>
> Yes. Hussein was a terrorists and so are the people fighting American
> troops. Why do you think its all in the Hussein triangle dumpling?
The media is calling them "Geurillas" fighting in a "rebellion."
That "terrorist" crap is worn out.
Common Sense
> had me literally under the gun _might_ have represented
> the growing fascism of "Homeland Security" right here
> in the US of A.
You and people like you are the true enemies of freedom. I'm ready to
fight you, are you ready to fight me?
Jeffraham Prestonian
> You and people like you are the true enemies of freedom. I'm ready to
> fight you, are you ready to fight me?
Bring it on.
--
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> > > Little or no resistance as "We" rode in, but now the small arms
> > > are out and guerilla war is in full swing.
> Even the mainstream media is abandoning the 'party line'
> claim that Iraqi resistance is just "Terrorism."
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?vts=120420030729&cp1=1
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