Would terrorism stop if they executed Saddam?
Grass roots
loyalists who want power back. Do they hold out hope that, if they murder
enough people, they will get him released and back in power? Seriously?
I wonder if executing Saddam would finally bring that terrorism to an end?
But of course those people are murderers who are out of work with Saddam out
of power, and they probably don't know anything better to do with their lives
than to murder people.
--
Grassroots
( no email - spoofed )
Sam Bam
> It seems like most of the terrorism going on in Iraq is being done by Saddam
> loyalists who want power back. Do they hold out hope that, if they murder
> enough people, they will get him released and back in power? Seriously?
Nah, they're just mad dog killers.
> I wonder if executing Saddam would finally bring that terrorism to an end?
Nope.
>
> But of course those people are murderers who are out of work with Saddam out
> of power, and they probably don't know anything better to do with their lives
> than to murder people.
Agreed, they're mentally ill.
Socks the Whitehouse Cat
news:Xns960B759...@216.196.97.142:
his brother supposedly was funding it all, and he got caught yesterday.
Interesting to see if a dry up of funds will cut it down.
--
"...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the
finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and
shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown
Grantland
Yeah out of work i guess. Nuthin to do. Might as well murder
somwone. Yeah!
How you breathe withut a brainstem is a medical miracle.
Bah!
Sam Bam
Pretty much how it works over there...
Sam Bam
Oh my, racist troll alert.
Grantland
SHUT UP! SHUT UP JEWBOY!
Grantland
LeMod Pol
>
> >Grantland wrote:
> >> Yeah out of work i guess. Nuthin to do. Might as well murder
> >> somwone. Yeah!
What an ignorant jackass
--
LP
"Islam is an invention for the purpose of providing a
religious justification for Arab imperialism. The
Conquest is the reason and explanation for Islam, not
the other way around."
Steve Walker
> It seems like most of the terrorism going on in Iraq is being
> done by Saddam loyalists who want power back.
Rubbish
Sam Bam
Is it?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6346471/site/newsweek/
While the sadistic Zarqawi network grabs the headlines, it’s the former
dictator’s loyalists who are probably carrying out most of the attacks
in Iraq...
a much larger network of former Saddam loyalists—directed by former
leaders of Saddam's feared intelligence service, the Mukhabarat—may be
playing an equal, if not even larger role in the Iraq insurgency.
According to U.S. and British intelligence sources, the insurgent
network of former Baathists consists of as many as 8,000 to 10,000
active fighters—a hard core 40 to 50 times the size of Zarqawi's
coterie—and at least that number of tacit sympathizers or logistical
supporters.
M.Butzin
that the "Islamic Fundamentalists" who have invaded Iraq since Saddam was
taken prisoner have "taken up" fighting against the great "Satan" America
and will continue to do so. The call was put out across the world for the
"believers" to come fight and now Americans will continue to be targets
around the world also. Go to the state department web site and check out the
"travel warnings" section sometimes that information changes hourly...
"Grass roots" <Grass...@no-email.net> wrote in message
news:Xns960B759...@216.196.97.142...
Tegenpool
Sam Bam
> No, only when George Walker Bush has been executed...
Ah, another death threat....
Grass roots
> Did the Nazi nut jobs go away when Hitler fried himself? Nope, and I
> feel that the "Islamic Fundamentalists" who have invaded Iraq since
> Saddam was taken prisoner have "taken up" fighting against the great
> "Satan" America and will continue to do so. The call was put out across
> the world for the "believers" to come fight and now Americans will
> continue to be targets around the world also. Go to the state department
> web site and check out the "travel warnings" section sometimes that
> information changes hourly...
That's crap. They're not targeting Americans, they just killed over 100
Iraqis today. They're just mass murdering terrorists, that's all.
M.Butzin
Guyana 02/04/2005
Algeria 01/19/2005
Indonesia 01/13/2005
Libya 12/29/2004
Bosnia-Herzegovina 12/27/2004
Sudan 12/14/2004
Burundi 12/07/2004
Saudi Arabia 12/07/2004
Somalia 12/07/2004
Kenya 11/29/2004
Israel, the West Bank and Gaza 11/26/2004
Iran 11/22/2004
Lebanon 11/18/2004
Yemen 11/16/2004
Afghanistan 11/15/2004
Central African Republic 10/29/2004
Nepal 10/26/2004
Iraq 10/20/2004
Haiti 10/14/2004
Pakistan 09/24/2004
Congo-Kinshasa 08/19/2004
Liberia 07/30/2004
Nigeria 07/19/2004
Zimbabwe 07/02/2004
Colombia 03/03/2004
This is a short list of travel warnings issued by US Department of State....
Any of them look familiar?
Stay off the Grass....
"Grass roots" <Grass...@no-email.net> wrote in message
news:Xns960BB3E...@216.196.97.142...
M.Butzin
SAUDI ARABIA
December 07, 2004
This Travel Warning is being updated to inform U.S. citizens of an armed
attack on the U.S. Consulate in Jeddah December 6, resulting in casualties
among the non-American staff and damage to consulate facilities. Due to such
targeted attacks against American facilities and citizens, resulting in
deaths, injuries and kidnappings, and the continuing serious threat to their
safety while in Saudi Arabia,
At the top of the page is the date, I suggest you pull you head out of your
ass!
"Grass roots" <Grass...@no-email.net> wrote in message
news:Xns960BB3E...@216.196.97.142...
Hugh Gibbons
Grass roots <Grass...@no-email.net> wrote:
They're targeting people who they see as collaborators with Americans.
Americans in Iraq have made themselves relatively hard targets, behind
defensive perimeters. They do queue up in public places where terrorists
could drive a car bomb.
Write a wise saying and your name will live forever.
-- Anonymous
Hugh Gibbons
Sam Bam <s...@bam.slam> wrote:
> Steve Walker wrote:
> > Grass roots wrote:
> >
> >>It seems like most of the terrorism going on in Iraq is being
> >>done by Saddam loyalists who want power back.
> >
> >
> > Rubbish
>
>
> Is it?
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6346471/site/newsweek/
>
> While the sadistic Zarqawi network grabs the headlines, itｹs the former
> dictatorｹs loyalists who are probably carrying out most of the attacks
> in Iraq...
>
> a much larger network of former Saddam loyalists掬irected by former
> leaders of Saddam's feared intelligence service, the Mukhabarat砧ay be
> playing an equal, if not even larger role in the Iraq insurgency.
> According to U.S. and British intelligence sources, the insurgent
> network of former Baathists consists of as many as 8,000 to 10,000
> active fighters蟻 hard core 40 to 50 times the size of Zarqawi's
> coterie蟻nd at least that number of tacit sympathizers or logistical
> supporters.
It's possible that they're mostly former Baathists. It's also possible
that the intelligence is wrong. The truth is mostly we don't know who's
carrying out attacks until it's too late, and they don't appear to be
leaving tracks that are useful to those who would track down and arrest
their associates.
M.Butzin
travel warnings, as far away as Indonesia has terrorists warnings posted. So
it not just the middle east, it's global.
"Hugh Gibbons" <pa...@my.house.com> wrote in message
news:party-67B567....@news-fe-01.texas.rr.com...
ray
"M.Butzin" <mfbu...@netscape.net> wrote:
> Did the Nazi nut jobs go away when Hitler fried himself? Nope, and I feel
> that the "Islamic Fundamentalists" who have invaded Iraq since Saddam was
> taken prisoner have "taken up" fighting against the great "Satan" America
> and will continue to do so. The call was put out across the world for the
> "believers" to come fight and now Americans will continue to be targets
> around the world also. Go to the state department web site and check out the
> "travel warnings" section sometimes that information changes hourly...
And where are all of those "Nazi Nut Jobs" Today?
Sam Bam
> In article <NmMUd.3377638$B07.5...@news.easynews.com>,
> Sam Bam <s...@bam.slam> wrote:
>
>
>>Steve Walker wrote:
>>
>>>Grass roots wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>It seems like most of the terrorism going on in Iraq is being
>>>>done by Saddam loyalists who want power back.
>>>
>>>
>>>Rubbish
>>
>>
>>Is it?
>>
>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6346471/site/newsweek/
>>
>>in Iraq...
>>
>>a much larger network of former Saddam loyalists‹directed by former
>>leaders of Saddam's feared intelligence service, the Mukhabarat‹may be
>>According to U.S. and British intelligence sources, the insurgent
>>network of former Baathists consists of as many as 8,000 to 10,000
>>coterie‹and at least that number of tacit sympathizers or logistical
>
>
> It's possible that they're mostly former Baathists. It's also possible
> that the intelligence is wrong.
And it's possible they're acting under secret orders from Michael Jackson...
Sheesh!
> The truth is
Don't bother, you failed the test.
Harold Burton
Grass roots <Grass...@no-email.net> wrote:
> It seems like most of the terrorism going on in Iraq is being done by Saddam
> loyalists who want power back. Do they hold out hope that, if they murder
> enough people, they will get him released and back in power? Seriously?
>
> I wonder if executing Saddam would finally bring that terrorism to an end?
It's worth a try.
--
Hal
LeMod Pol
Sam Bam wrote:
>
> Steve Walker wrote:
> > Grass roots wrote:
> >
> >>It seems like most of the terrorism going on in Iraq is being
> >>done by Saddam loyalists who want power back.
> >
> >
> > Rubbish
>
> Is it?
.
Yep
--
LP
"Islam is an invention for the purpose of providing a
religious justification for Arab imperialism. The
Conquest is the reason and explanation for Islam, not
the other way around."
** Islamic historian Mohammed Ibn al-Rawandi
Sam Bam
>
> Sam Bam wrote:
>
>>Steve Walker wrote:
>>
>>>Grass roots wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>It seems like most of the terrorism going on in Iraq is being
>>>>done by Saddam loyalists who want power back.
>>>
>>>
>>>Rubbish
>>
>>Is it?
>
> .
> Yep
Define "most"...
Hugh Gibbons
Sam Bam <s...@bam.slam> wrote:
> Hugh Gibbons wrote:
> > In article <NmMUd.3377638$B07.5...@news.easynews.com>,
> > Sam Bam <s...@bam.slam> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Steve Walker wrote:
> >>
> >>>Grass roots wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>It seems like most of the terrorism going on in Iraq is being
> >>>>done by Saddam loyalists who want power back.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Rubbish
> >>
> >>
> >>Is it?
> >>
> >>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6346471/site/newsweek/
> >>
> >>While the sadistic Zarqawi network grabs the headlines, it1s the former
> >>dictator1s loyalists who are probably carrying out most of the attacks
> >>in Iraq...
> >>
> >>a much larger network of former Saddam loyalistsŠdirected by former
> >>leaders of Saddam's feared intelligence service, the MukhabaratŠmay be
> >>playing an equal, if not even larger role in the Iraq insurgency.
> >>According to U.S. and British intelligence sources, the insurgent
> >>network of former Baathists consists of as many as 8,000 to 10,000
> >>active fightersŠa hard core 40 to 50 times the size of Zarqawi's
> >>coterieŠand at least that number of tacit sympathizers or logistical
> >>supporters.
> >
> >
> > It's possible that they're mostly former Baathists. It's also possible
> > that the intelligence is wrong.
>
> And it's possible they're acting under secret orders from Michael Jackson...
The pedophile^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hsinger or the beer expert?
Sam Bam
Mbwhahahaha!!!
"- Prof. Jonez坼
> It seems like most of the terrorism going on in Iraq is being done by
> Saddam loyalists who want power back.
LOL!
Not even the rabid neo-con's in Washington believe that lie anymore.
> Do they hold out hope that, if
> they murder enough people, they will get him released and back in
> power? Seriously?
It is modeled upon US foreign policy.
>
> I wonder if executing Saddam would finally bring that terrorism to an
> end?
Did capturing him bring an end to the Iraqi Freedom Fighters
exterminating the US invaders?
>
> But of course those people are murderers who are out of work with
> Saddam out of power, and they probably don't know anything better to
> do with their lives than to murder people.
Sure. Hold that thought -- it might come true some day -- in some alternate
universe.
Roy. Just Roy.
enough people, they will get him released and back in power?
Tell me, since Bush made Iraq safe for $1.70/gal gas prices, how has
the life of the average Iraqi citizen been made better? At least Saddam
kept the lights on. What have the American troops done to repair the
infrastructure destroyed since the war began?
It's very easy to sit back in your lap of luxury and say, "They're
mentally unstable". But if an invading army took your job away, and
your kid died because the hospital had no antibiotics, and the water
filtration plant didn't run anymore, wouldn't you think about putting a
few full metal jackets between a few of those smug invaders' eyes?
/Roy
"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and
from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was
which." - Orwell, Animal Farm: A Fairy Tale
Hü©klëßë®®ÿ Hö§hïmötö
"- Prof. Jonez坼
> Just hang that mass-murdering son-of-a-bitch and get it over with!
So when is the Bush hanging scheduled for?
ray
Well, from what I have heard, ALL facilities are rebuilt and running
like new. Women are enrolled in schools. The country can share in the
profits from their oil and decide how they want to spend it. Places
that never had water and electricity now have such conveniences. They
can now have access to satellite television. The hospitals are rebuilt
and are cleaner and more advanced than they have ever been in the
history of that country. Your information is from the immediate post
war that Bush won. Obviously you don't know solders who are (or were)
there recently.
Hü©klëßë®®ÿ Hö§hïmötö
Wonko The Sane
> It seems like most of the terrorism going on in Iraq is being done by
> Saddam
> enough people, they will get him released and back in power? Seriously?
>
> I wonder if executing Saddam would finally bring that terrorism to an end?
>
entertainment
to kick the old bastard around until his guts come out his asshole.
Let the old boy go through what his tens of thousands of victims
experienced!
Sam Bam
PayneN.Diaz
"Roy. Just Roy." <deld...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1109875835....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Do they hold out hope that, if they murder
> enough people, they will get him released and back in power?
>
> Tell me, since Bush made Iraq safe for $1.70/gal gas prices, how has
> the life of the average Iraqi citizen been made better?
> At least Saddam
> kept the lights on. What have the American troops done to repair the
> infrastructure destroyed since the war began?
>
> It's very easy to sit back in your lap of luxury and say, "They're
> mentally unstable". But if an invading army took your job away, and
> your kid died because the hospital had no antibiotics, and the water
> filtration plant didn't run anymore, wouldn't you think about putting a
> few full metal jackets between a few of those smug invaders' eyes?
>
> /Roy
Well Roy, I'm glad you asked.
47 countries have re-established their embassies in Iraq.
3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation, 263
schools are now under construction and 38 new schools have been built in
Iraq.
Iraq's higher educational structure consists of 20 Universities, 46
Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers.
They have 5- 100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a navel infantry
regiment.
Iraq's Air Force consists of three operation squadrons, 9 reconnaissance and
3 US C-130 transport aircraft which operate day and night, and will soon add
16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 bell jet rangers.
Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police
officers.
There are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce over 3500 new officers
each 8 weeks.
There are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq.
They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad
stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical
facilities.
96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of
polio vaccinations.
4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October.
There are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq and phone use has gone up
158%.
Iraq has an independent media that consist of 75 radio stations, 180
newspapers and 10 television stations.
The Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004.
2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a recent televised
debate.
Find more at the Department of Defense website. http://www.defenselink.mil/
>
> "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and
> from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was
> which." - Orwell, Animal Farm: A Fairy Tale
>
I see you're having that same problem
Hü©klëßë®®ÿ Hö§hïmötö
Liberals whine that the death penalty does NOT deter crime.
BULLSHIT. It certainly will deter that individual that you execute!
In a Texas prison:
"But warden, he's been studying the bible and HE'S A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN!"
" No Problem..........we'll just execute him TWICE!"
Hü©klëßë®®ÿ Hö§hïmötö
Hü©klëßë®®ÿ Hö§hïmötö
Hü©klëßë®®ÿ Hö§hïmötö
Hü©klëßë®®ÿ Hö§hïmötö
Zamboanga
"Hü©klëßë®®ÿ Hö§hïmötö" <huck...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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<PLONKED FROM THE HUMAN RACE, TWICE AND SHIT DOWN Hü©klëßë®®ÿ Hö§hïmötö's
PUGGY THROAT AFTER DEPORTING HIM TO THE "DARK SIDE" OF PLONKSVILLE>
Hugh Gibbons
"PayneN.Diaz" <Payne...@HomeAndEverywhere.Else> wrote:
while I don't dispute the below statistics, it's one thing to say a thing
is the case and quite another to take credit for it. How much of the
following do you think were true before the US invasion of Iraq? We
should only claim credit for what we have improved, not for conditions
that largely existed before he invasion.
>
> Well Roy, I'm glad you asked.
> 47 countries have re-established their embassies in Iraq.
...
> Iraq's higher educational structure consists of 20 Universities, 46
> Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers.
> They have 5- 100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a navel infantry
> regiment.
...
> Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police
> officers.
How many did they hve before the war? (Trained to different standards,
no doubt.)
> 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of
> polio vaccinations.
Of which probably 40% were vaccinated before the invasion and the other
half 60% were unborn or too young.
> 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October.
Probably no change here.
Hugh Gibbons
"Hü©klëßë®®ÿ Hö§hïmötö" <huck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hang the mass murdering asshole ASAP!
>
> Liberals whine that the death penalty does NOT deter crime.
> BULLSHIT. It certainly will deter that individual that you execute!
>
But not any better and at a far greater cost than life in prison.
PayneN.Diaz
> In article <k18Wd.1151$oO4...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "HüĐklëßëŪŪĸ Hö§hïmötö" <huck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hang the mass murdering asshole ASAP!
>>
>> Liberals whine that the death penalty does NOT deter crime.
>> BULLSHIT. It certainly will deter that individual that you execute!
>>
> But not any better and at a far greater cost than life in prison.
"When life in prison actually means LIFE in prison, I will no longer support
the death penalty." - Jesse Ventura
PayneN.Diaz
> In article <7I5Wd.838$Q83...@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
> "PayneN.Diaz" <Payne...@HomeAndEverywhere.Else> wrote:
>
> while I don't dispute the below statistics, it's one thing to say a thing
> is the case and quite another to take credit for it. How much of the
> following do you think were true before the US invasion of Iraq? We
> should only claim credit for what we have improved, not for conditions
> that largely existed before he invasion.
Which of those conditions do you say pre-existed?
If you got something to indicate we shouldn't take credit, by all means do
post it.
A nice example would be a two column list of what was (including rape and
torture facilities), and what's now (including the absence of them).
We might also include how Saddam won every election with 100% of the vote.
Of course it would help to know who exactly got a vote.
This also raises the question of why there were no write in's in to bring
him back, which would have been a great way for the Iraqi people to tell us
their "true" feelings about the matter. But alas no news agency foreign or
domestic, including El Jazeera (sp?) has picked up any such story, so I
guess we'll never really know.
A counter point can be the great turn out of voters walking and
wheelchairing their way for as many as ten miles to cast their ballots in
spite of the threats of physical harm promised from Saddam hold outs. Ah,
they were a happy lot, sporting their dyed-in-indelible blue ink fingers as
trophies for all the world to see.
(The U.S.could take a lesson from that instead of complaining about having
to stand in line for a whole half hour when they cast their ballots, don't
you think?)
Somewhere there should be mention of the many mass graves uncovered after
the fall of Baghdad, and see if there are any new ones since. I think that
would be a pretty good indicator if the Iraqi people are any better off
also, would you agree?
Let's see what you can come up with and I'll get back to you.
LaoTze
>
> Did you know that 47 countries have reestablished their embassies in
> Iraq?
Did you know that they re-opened some embassies? I wonder why they were
closed, maybe there was a war or something?
> Did you know that the Iraqi government employs 1.2 million Iraqi
> people?
Did you know that the number of government employee's was higher before
the war? ~400,000 were laid off by Bush & Co.
> Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are
> under rehabilitation, 263 schools are now under construction and 38
> new schools have been built in Iraq?
Did you know the first step to creating a puppet-state is to
indoctrinate the population with propaganda?
> Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational? They have 5-
100-foot
> patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a navel infantry regiment.
Did you know that the U.S. has set up many puppet-militia's to fight
proxy wars?
> Did you know that Iraq's Air Force consists of three operation
> squadrons, 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft which
> operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4
> bell jet rangers?
Did you know that this equipment will be paid for in oil?
> Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando
> Battalion?
Did you know that under Saddam's rule there wasn't such a serious
terrorism threat?
> Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully
> trained and equipped police officers?
Did you know that Iraq had police before the war?
> Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce
> over 3500 new officers each 8 weeks?
Did you know that if you set each of these police officers on a hunt to
find WMD it would still be fruitless???
> Did you know there are more than 1100 building projects going on in
> Iraq? They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83
> railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69
> electrical facilities.
Did you know that GWB bombed the shit out of many of those facilities
to "shock and awe" the average redneck into thinking he was watching a
special version of COPS...
> Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have
> received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?
Did you know that 1 in 25 Iraqi children are now at risk of polio??
> Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary
> school by mid October?
Did you know that Saddam had a compulsory k-12 program that ran quite
fine until the Americans interfered in the 80's?
> Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq
> and phone use has gone up 158%?
Did you know cell phones are a major hazard for drivers and may cause
certain types of cancer?
> Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consist of 75
> radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?
Did you know that they probably all publish the same American lies?
> Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?
Did you know the word RE-OPENED is more applicable?
> Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had
> a recent televised debate recently?
Did you know that 2 puppet-candidates in the Iraqi puppet-presidential
election had a recent televised debate recently? People claimed that it
was as if Ernie Coombs had been resurrected...
> Did you know it was all done with US dollars?
Did you know that those dollars where borrowed from U.S. enviromental,
social security and education funds? Did you know that the poor who
paid for the war also donated their childrens lives?
Did you know that those dollars went to Bush' construction/business
Cronies?
Did you know that Iraq will pay it off ten-fold in oil anyways?
> Find more at the Department of Defense website.
http://www.defenselink.mil/
Oooh, thats an unbiased source...
Hugh Gibbons
"PayneN.Diaz" <Payne...@HomeAndEverywhere.Else> wrote:
> "Hugh Gibbons" <pa...@my.house.com> wrote in message
> news:party-03DC96....@news-fe-03.texas.rr.com...
> > In article <k18Wd.1151$oO4...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> > "Hü©klëßë®®ÿ Hö§hïmötö" <huck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hang the mass murdering asshole ASAP!
> >>
> >> Liberals whine that the death penalty does NOT deter crime.
> >> BULLSHIT. It certainly will deter that individual that you execute!
> >>
> > But not any better and at a far greater cost than life in prison.
>
> "When life in prison actually means LIFE in prison, I will no longer support
> the death penalty." - Jesse Ventura
Everybody's hero.
Isn't it the case that life in prison really means death in prison?
Hugh Gibbons
"PayneN.Diaz" <Payne...@HomeAndEverywhere.Else> wrote:
> This also raises the question of why there were no write in's in to bring
> him back, which would have been a great way for the Iraqi people to tell us
> their "true" feelings about the matter. But alas no news agency foreign or
> domestic, including El Jazeera (sp?) has picked up any such story, so I
> guess we'll never really know.
>
> A counter point can be the great turn out of voters walking and
> wheelchairing their way for as many as ten miles to cast their ballots in
> spite of the threats of physical harm promised from Saddam hold outs.
I thought you just said there were no Saddam holdouts in the last
paragraph. Try to write more coherently.
I'm not saying things are not better now than before the war. In some
ways they are. In other ways they are not. But to take credit for
every good thing in Iraq (for instance, all of the schools) is dishonest,
since most of them existed before the invasion. By the way, what's the
unemployment rate in Iraq right now?
ray
Hugh Gibbons <pa...@my.house.com> wrote:
> In article <k18Wd.1151$oO4...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Hü©klëßë®®ÿ Hö§hïmötö" <huck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hang the mass murdering asshole ASAP!
> >
> > Liberals whine that the death penalty does NOT deter crime.
> > BULLSHIT. It certainly will deter that individual that you execute!
> >
> But not any better and at a far greater cost than life in prison.
Why is it that liberals don't bring up this argument of the Death
Penalty when talking about "Hate Crimes?" For some reason, the Death
Penalty is just fine then.
Hugh Gibbons
ray <xxxr...@aol.com> wrote:
Don't change the subject. The wrongness and stupidity of the death
penalty have nothing to do with the wrongness and stupidity of hate
crimes, though no doubt it's easy to conflate different kinds of bad.
ray
Hugh Gibbons <pa...@my.house.com> wrote:
> In article <xxxrayted-FE08A...@news.newsguy.com>,
> ray <xxxr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <party-03DC96....@news-fe-03.texas.rr.com>,
> > Hugh Gibbons <pa...@my.house.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <k18Wd.1151$oO4...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> > > "HüĐklëßëŪŪĸ Hö§hïmötö" <huck...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hang the mass murdering asshole ASAP!
> > > >
> > > > Liberals whine that the death penalty does NOT deter crime.
> > > > BULLSHIT. It certainly will deter that individual that you execute!
> > > >
> > > But not any better and at a far greater cost than life in prison.
> >
> >
> > Why is it that liberals don't bring up this argument of the Death
> > Penalty when talking about "Hate Crimes?" For some reason, the Death
> > Penalty is just fine then.
>
> Don't change the subject. The wrongness and stupidity of the death
> penalty have nothing to do with the wrongness and stupidity of hate
> crimes, though no doubt it's easy to conflate different kinds of bad.
Actually they do have common grounds. Or.... are you going to tell me
that you oppose the Death Penalty for Hate Crimes as well?
Hugh Gibbons
ray <xxxr...@aol.com> wrote:
Absolutely. To oppose the death penalty is to oppose the death penalty.
Except for corporations.
ray
Hugh Gibbons <pa...@my.house.com> wrote:
> In article <xxxrayted-05B9F...@news.newsguy.com>,
> ray <xxxr...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <party-6F12A3....@news-fe-03.texas.rr.com>,
> > Hugh Gibbons <pa...@my.house.com> wrote:
>
> > > Don't change the subject. The wrongness and stupidity of the death
> > > penalty have nothing to do with the wrongness and stupidity of hate
> > > crimes, though no doubt it's easy to conflate different kinds of bad.
> >
> > Actually they do have common grounds. Or.... are you going to tell me
> > that you oppose the Death Penalty for Hate Crimes as well?
>
> Absolutely. To oppose the death penalty is to oppose the death penalty.
> Except for corporations.
Ahhhhhh, I knew there was a catch.
PayneN.Diaz
"LaoTze" <lao...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1110080739....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> http://www.defenselink.mil/sites/
>>
>> Did you know that 47 countries have reestablished their embassies in
>> Iraq?
>
> Did you know that they re-opened some embassies? I wonder why they were
> closed, maybe there was a war or something?
>
>> Did you know that the Iraqi government employs 1.2 million Iraqi
>> people?
>
> Did you know that the number of government employee's was higher before
> the war? ~400,000 were laid off by Bush & Co.
I suppose so. There's not much call for 400K ex-Saddam soldiers.
>
>> Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are
>> under rehabilitation, 263 schools are now under construction and 38
>> new schools have been built in Iraq?
>
> Did you know the first step to creating a puppet-state is to
> indoctrinate the population with propaganda?
You mean replace the previous state propaganda with new propaganda?
>
>> Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational? They have 5-
> 100-foot
>> patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a navel infantry regiment.
>
> Did you know that the U.S. has set up many puppet-militia's to fight
> proxy wars?
Explain a little. Like who and where for starters.
>
>> Did you know that Iraq's Air Force consists of three operation
>> squadrons, 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft which
>> operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4
>> bell jet rangers?
>
> Did you know that this equipment will be paid for in oil?
So? Oil is as good as gold.
>
>> Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando
>> Battalion?
>
> Did you know that under Saddam's rule there wasn't such a serious
> terrorism threat?
Tell that to the Kurds, and the torture and rape victims that were found in
mass graves throughout the country side..
>
>> Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully
>> trained and equipped police officers?
>
> Did you know that Iraq had police before the war?
Why didn't they do anything to stop the rapes and tortures?
>
>> Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce
>> over 3500 new officers each 8 weeks?
>
> Did you know that if you set each of these police officers on a hunt to
> find WMD it would still be fruitless???
Unless they go into Lybia and Syria. But that's ok, we can handle it.
>
>> Did you know there are more than 1100 building projects going on in
>> Iraq? They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83
>> railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69
>> electrical facilities.
>
> Did you know that GWB bombed the shit out of many of those facilities
> to "shock and awe" the average redneck into thinking he was watching a
> special version of COPS...
Really now, Which bomber was he flying?
>
>> Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have
>> received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?
>
> Did you know that 1 in 25 Iraqi children are now at risk of polio??
And that's an improvement obviously since 96% of Iraqi children under the
age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?
Good thing we went in or it'd be even more at risk, eh?
>
>> Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary
>> school by mid October?
>
> Did you know that Saddam had a compulsory k-12 program that ran quite
> fine until the Americans interfered in the 80's?
Under Saddam, propaganda was in all the textbooks, even those for physics
and foreign- language instruction in English. The most egregious propaganda
was in history and civics books. A history book published under Saddam would
say, for example, that the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s was merely an instance
of the warlike nature of the Persians and their eternal hostility toward the
Arabs...
...we helped remove totalitarian teachings from the classrooms, helped the
schools and ministry resume operations, and kept our advisory office small.
Now Iraqis themselves are restructuring the ministry organization,
considering decentralization plans, and holding forums on curriculum reform
and the future of Iraq's school system...
...Iraqis themselves are now charting the future course of education in
their country.
Would you care to comment on the conditions of the "before and after"? Take
a look for yourself.
http://www.unicef.org/emerg/iraq/19883_19947.html
>
>> Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq
>> and phone use has gone up 158%?
>
> Did you know cell phones are a major hazard for drivers and may cause
> certain types of cancer?
LOL! Guess you goy me on that one! Of course the point was that they now
the freedom to have them, but I guess that was as important to you.
>
>> Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consist of 75
>> radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?
>
> Did you know that they probably all publish the same American lies?
Like what?
>
>> Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?
>
> Did you know the word RE-OPENED is more applicable?
>
OK then RE-OPENED.
>> Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had
>> a recent televised debate recently?
>
> Did you know that 2 puppet-candidates in the Iraqi puppet-presidential
> election had a recent televised debate recently? People claimed that it
> was as if Ernie Coombs had been resurrected...
What people? the anti-freedom crowd?
I bet you think we live in a puppet society too don't you?
> Did you know that the poor who
> paid for the war also donated their childrens lives?
Name one child that serves in the military.
Name one family that donated a child to the military.
I don't know where you're from but in the U.S., military service is strictly
volunteer.
No parent can "donate" their child.
> Did you know that those dollars went to Bush' construction/business
> Cronies?
Bet you can't prove it.
But were it so, who would you prefer have the contracts?
> Did you know that Iraq will pay it off ten-fold in oil anyways?
And it bothers you that we might accept oil as payment why?
>
>> Find more at the Department of Defense website.
> http://www.defenselink.mil/
>
> Oooh, thats an unbiased source...
>
Glad we agree.
Got something from Michael Moore you want to share?
PayneN.Diaz
Not unless it's "Life without parole", which is only about 25% of "lifers".
But I do like that phrase (death in prison) and the courts might should
considering it as the alternative if they're going to allow parole hearings.
PayneN.Diaz
"Wrongness" of the death penalty? That's absurd. There are people who have
committed heinous acts that deserve no less.
PayneN.Diaz
> In article <ddtWd.1223$c72...@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
> "PayneN.Diaz" <Payne...@HomeAndEverywhere.Else> wrote:
>
>> This also raises the question of why there were no write in's in to bring
>> him back, which would have been a great way for the Iraqi people to tell
>> us
>> their "true" feelings about the matter. But alas no news agency foreign
>> or
>> domestic, including El Jazeera (sp?) has picked up any such story, so I
>> guess we'll never really know.
>>
>> A counter point can be the great turn out of voters walking and
>> wheelchairing their way for as many as ten miles to cast their ballots in
>> spite of the threats of physical harm promised from Saddam hold outs.
>
> I thought you just said there were no Saddam holdouts in the last
> paragraph. Try to write more coherently.
I think I did not. Try to read more coherently.
>
> I'm not saying things are not better now than before the war. In some
> ways they are. In other ways they are not. But to take credit for
> every good thing in Iraq (for instance, all of the schools) is dishonest,
> since most of them existed before the invasion.
In what condition did they exist? Take a look for yourself.
http://www.unicef.org/emerg/iraq/19883_19947.html
> By the way, what's the
> unemployment rate in Iraq right now?
Amman, Jordan, Dec. 4 (UPI) -- Despite Iraqi violence, the nation's
unemployment rate dropped to 26.8 percent during 2004's first half, compared
with 28 percent at the end of 2003.
Hugh Gibbons
"PayneN.Diaz" <Payne...@HomeAndEverywhere.Else> wrote:
It all depends on whether you consider there to be any possible
justification for the state killing people when not absolutely necessary,
and if you do, whether your morals prevent you from taking the risk of
killing an innocent person by mistake.
Hugh Gibbons
"PayneN.Diaz" <Payne...@HomeAndEverywhere.Else> wrote:
> "LaoTze" <lao...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1110080739....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Did you know that 1 in 25 Iraqi children are now at risk of polio??
>
> And that's an improvement obviously since 96% of Iraqi children under the
> age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?
> Good thing we went in or it'd be even more at risk, eh?
Did you get that he just repeated your statistic back to you in
different terms?
> >> Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq
> >> and phone use has gone up 158%?
> >
> > Did you know cell phones are a major hazard for drivers and may cause
> > certain types of cancer?
If you believe highly questionable statistics. They don't come anywhere
near the hazard involved in driving a car in the first place.
>
> LOL! Guess you goy me on that one! Of course the point was that they now
> the freedom to have them, but I guess that was as important to you.
Write a wise saying and your name will live forever.
-- Anonymous
ray
Hugh Gibbons <pa...@my.house.com> wrote:
Human nature is to make mistakes and take risks. No system is perfect.
For instance, do we get rid of the Catholic Church because of a few bad
priests? How about the police? Do we dismantle them because a few cops
went bad? What about our financial system? Do we end that as well
because of Enron or Martha Stewart? Hell, even M.A.D.D had a few
members that were arrested for D.U.I.
Better yet, out of the last 1000 people we executed in the USA, how many
of them were innocent? 1%, 3%, 5% ? I really don't know myself. But
out of the last 1000 murders that happened in this country, how many of
the victims deserved to be killed? The answer is 0% . We will never be
perfect- only close.
But what gives the State the right to execute somebody is the will of
the people. The will of most people in this country is to off the SOB'S
that were responsible for the crime. And as time progresses, our
technology will limit the number of innocent people to be executed as
well as free those who were on Death Row waiting to die. These stories
are in the news all the time since the advancement of D.N.A.
M.Butzin
After a hundred years
PayneN.Diaz
> In article <091Xd.4400$c72....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
> "PayneN.Diaz" <Payne...@HomeAndEverywhere.Else> wrote:
>
>> "LaoTze" <lao...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1110080739....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>> > Did you know that 1 in 25 Iraqi children are now at risk of polio??
>>
>> And that's an improvement obviously since 96% of Iraqi children under the
>> age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?
>> Good thing we went in or it'd be even more at risk, eh?
>
> Did you get that he just repeated your statistic back to you in
> different terms?
But he thought he was disputing it?
>
>> >> Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq
>> >> and phone use has gone up 158%?
>> >
>> > Did you know cell phones are a major hazard for drivers and may cause
>> > certain types of cancer?
>
> If you believe highly questionable statistics. They don't come anywhere
> near the hazard involved in driving a car in the first place.
Especially if it involves running a gov't check point.
PayneN.Diaz
Every neighborhood has vermin. Rats, mice, child molesters.
Can you name any vermin that shouldn't be permanently removed from your
neighborhood?
If you agree, how do you suggest to make it happen whereas they don't come
back, ever?
Topaz
speculation on the street about who's next (after Iraq). Will the
"glorious
allies" march into Syria? Or Iran? Or somewhere else?
The other day Tony Blair solemnly assured us that he didn't
intend to attack Iran or Syria. And, in direct contradiction to
his saber-rattling against Syria the other day at a Zionist
conference attended by about half of the U.S. Senate (which has
itself called for "regime change" in Iran), Colin Powell also
intoned recently that the gang in D.C. has no intention of
invading Iran or Syria. Maybe he means they have no intention of
invading them today. Well, as they say on the soap operas,
tomorrow is another day.
Whenever functionaries like Blair and Powell start assuring me
over and over again that something isn't going to happen, I start
to worry that it will happen, and soon, too. I do this because,
1) people like Powell and Blair (and Bush, too) are reading from
a Zionist script these days, and the Zionist credo, as former
Mossad operative Victor Ostrovsky admitted, is "by way of
deception thou shalt do war"; and 2) Powell and Blair and Bush
and company have little real authority, beholden as they are to
the Jewish media for their political survival, so even if they
sincerely believe that their territorial ambitions end with Iraq,
it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what they believe. With the
possible exception of Powell, who has shown a minor streak of
independence that would have caused him to be canned if he
weren't the successful mulatto poster boy for the Republicans,
the heads of our so-called leaders are near-vacuums which the
Jews fill with bogus "moral" reasons for invading, killing, or
imprisoning their enemies. So I predict a march to Damascus and
Teheran will commence once Iraq is fully subdued and a puppet
government installed. That's what the Jewish dictatorship
apparently wants.
The Jewish dictatorship may be the most powerful in human
history, but they are vulnerable in exactly the same way that
previous Jewish power structures have been vulnerable. They are
far from invincible. As any student of history knows, the Jews
have come to great financial and political power -- even
dominance -- in many countries over the centuries, from Babylon
and Persia to Olde England, the Spanish Empire, and 20th-century
Germany. And many cases, they overextended themselves, became
arrogant, and eventually they were expelled or compelled to leave
by the angry reaction of the people they had oppressed. Their
hubris and their millennial dreams of world power are their
downfall.
An interesting situation is developing in France in this regard.
[<http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=12641&intcategoryid=2>
]
In France, one would think that the Jews are riding high. They
dominate much of the financial and media worlds there, and they
have such influence over the state that it is actually illegal
there to criticize them as a group or to doubt their WWII
atrocity stories. French taxpayers have to cough up $500 million
every year just to "preserve the memory" of the "Holocaust." But
the Jewish dictatorship, in its arrogance, has gone so far that
the true French people are gradually becoming aware of how
they've been enslaved. The push for war on Iraq was the last
straw for many Frenchmen, who didn't see how sacrificing their
blood and enraging many nearby Arab states in order to protect
Israel was good for France. They also didn't like it when Jewish
groups called for a boycott of French products because the French
people opposed this war. So the people there are becoming
increasingly Jew-wise. And a recent poll of Jews in France (I
try not to call them "French Jews" by the way -- that's like
saying a mouse in a stable is a kind of horse) by a Jewish group
called The Israel Project shows a large percentage are
considering leaving the country for the United States or Israel.
A leading Jew there, Roger Cukierman, doubts they'll leave in
large numbers anytime soon, but admits that emigration is a
subject of discussion among Jews there. He quotes many Jews as
saying when French nationalist leader Jean-Marie "Le Pen got 5
percent, they'd leave. Then they said, 'When he gets 10 percent.'
Well, now he's got 20 percent, and they're still here." But the
subject is being seriously discussed among France's 500,000 or so
admitted Jews. The poll showed that 26 per cent. of France's Jews
are considering leaving because of French attitudes toward Jews,
and that 13 per cent. are "seriously" looking into finding a new
home. According to Jennifer Laszlo Mizrahi, a founder of The
Israel Project, the mood among the Jews there is one of "severe
depression." [<http://www.jewishtimes.com/News/2935.stm> ]
Of course, the Jews of France blame all this terrible
"anti-Semitism" on anything and everything except themselves.
They blame it on the French branch of the evil White race, which
apparently just has hate for Jews in its bones. They blame it on
the Arab immigrants to France, whom the Jews themselves brought
to France in an effort to race-mix the White French out of
existence and who now tragically constitute 10 per cent. of the
population there. They even blame it on harsh Israeli policies
against Palestinians. But none are willing to lay the blame on
the perennial Jewish way of life, that of infiltrating and
dominating a host society. The hubris of the Jews has long been
their weak point, and one which they usually fail to recognize.
This is also evident in the Jewish supremacists' plans for Iraq.
First they claimed to the world that they were going to invade
and to kill because Saddam had "weapons of mass destruction"
which, they said, might be used on us or on "his own people," but
which they really worried might be used on Israel. But as the war
progressed it became increasingly evident that Saddam had really
disarmed and that no such weapons existed. Almost all of the
Iraqi resistance to the invasion has been small arms fire, much
of it from citizen's militias -- private citizens armed to defend
their homes and fields and families. Again and again the
spinmeisters claimed they had found "suspicious" materials -- and
again and again the claims were shown to have no substance. The
highly-armed cannon fodder, the world's great super-power, bombed
and invaded a poor, starving, and largely disarmed country which
nevertheless fought back against the overwhelming might of White
technology and White soldiers that were shamefully being used as
Zionist pawns.
Last Saturday, even the British Home Secretary David Blunkett
admitted that no chemical, biological, or nuclear "weapons of
mass destruction" had been found or were likely to be found in
Iraq, thus confirming what the U.N. weapons inspectors had been
saying all along, and also confirming that the public
hand-wringing about these weapons (that many other countries have
anyway) was just a ruse to garner support for this Zionist war.
If Saddam Hussein had such weapons, why didn't he use them
against the invaders when they were still distant from Iraqi
centers of population? The actions of the U.S. military
commanders, who have to be practical men, speak volumes: they
have ordered that their men need no longer wear protective gear
against chemical and biological agents: the masks and suits have
come off.
[<http://english.aljazeera.net/topics/article.asp?cu_no=1&item_no=1858&version=1&template_id=263&parent_id=258>
]
The media Jews believe that the public has a short memory and
will not notice that one major prop for this war has just fallen.
They also think that we all stay glued to Faux News and the other
Jewish channels and can't find information on the Internet, such
as the fact that the U.S. forces have used cluster bombs,
depleted uranium shells, and are planning to use chemical agents
like tear gas -- all in violation of international agreements and
conventions. But among the best-informed and more intelligent
segment of the population, their lies have not gone unnoticed.
And it is this stratum of the population which matters most. Jews
underestimate our intelligence at their peril. Their hubris is
their downfall.
The Zionists who are running this war also have mapped out a
post-war strategy for Iraq which is breathtaking in its arrogance
and ignorance. First, they want the U.N. and other international
agencies to have no part in setting up a new Iraqi government,
though they are generous enough to suggest that the U.N. might be
allowed to hand out some bread and water to the starving Iraqis
from time to time. Instead, it will be a military occupation
government, headed by Jews and employees of Jews. I am sure that
the Iraqis, even those who had no love for Saddam Hussein, will
be very happy that their sworn enemies and those who used cluster
bombs against them and their children will be the new rulers. I
am sure that they will feel happy to be so "liberated." I am sure
they will feel confident in a "democracy" in which Perle and
Wolfowitz and Frum and Kristol decide who is a "legitimate"
candidate and who must rot in jail.
On Sunday, the Jewish supremacists flew an odd man named Ahmed
Chalabi into Iraq to integrate him into the Jewish-led forces
there, under the comic-book name of "First Battalion of Free
Iraqi Forces." Chalabi has been groomed by the Zionists as a
leader in post-war Iraq. He leads something called the "Iraqi
National Congress," a cobbled-together coalition of mutually
antagonistic factions that could be guaranteed never to coalesce
in a united front against Zionist front-man Chalabi or the
paymasters that keep the group alive. Chalabi, who hasn't lived
for any significant period of time in Iraq since he left as a
child in the 1950s, may be being positioned as the man to
officially "surrender" to U.S. forces and thereby take the mantle
of front-man for the Jews there. Chalabi, who favors Savile Row
suits and spends most of his time in London, is wanted on an
outstanding warrant for embezzlement of several hundreds of
millions of dollars of depositors' money from a bank in Jordan.
He was convicted in 1989 of multiple counts of embezzlement and
was sentenced to 22 years in prison, but escaped, reportedly in
the trunk of a car, and ended up in London posing as the paid
savior of the Iraqis and Kurds and whoever else he is told he
should be the savior of. Chalabi is widely hated in Iraq, as a
CIA report released last week indicated. According to United
Press International, a former U.S. intelligence official familiar
with the report said, "They basically say that every time you
mention Chalabi's name to an Iraqi, they want to puke."
[<http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030407-055713-8345r> ]
And the so-called "First Battalion of Free Iraqi Forces" was so
small that it had to flesh out its ranks with forces from the
discredited "Badr Brigade," an Iranian-backed Shiite group -- and
I am sure that an Iranian-backed force in Iraq will be wildly
popular with the Iraqi people. Even with Iranian supplements, the
"Battalion" consists of only 700 men. This is what they want to
impose on Iraq in the name of "democracy." It should make every
decent human being want to puke.
[<http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=14802> ]
The Wolfowitz nominee for co-dictator of occupied Iraq is retired
General Jay Garner, also a close associate of the Zionist clique
that now runs American foreign policy. Garner was Israel's guest
in 2000 as a delegate of the shadowy U.S.-based group, the
"Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs." He also follows
the Likud party line and has made public statements condemning
Palestinians who resist the Israeli occupation. This is surely a
fellow who is going to inspire worldwide confidence in his
fairness and objectivity toward the Arabs, isn't he? And I am
sure you'll agree with me when I say that his appointment to an
occupation government in Iraq will surely dispel those nasty
rumors that the Jews are behind this war. Sure it will.
But Garner is nothing compared with the other Jewish
neoconservative nominee for co-dictator in unhappy Iraq, former
CIA honcho James Woolsey, a protégé of Richard Perle. Woolsey is
a foaming-at-the-mouth Zionist warmonger who openly advocates
what I've been telling you for months are the real war aims of
the Jews. Woolsey was the one who floated the absurd lie that
there was a link between Saddam Hussein, al-Qaeda, and the 9-11
terror attacks. Woolsey has been loudly advocating regime change
in Saudi Arabia. Woolsey serves on the board of the
previously-mentioned "Jewish Institute for National Security
Affairs." Woolsey is a prominent member of several other
neoconservative and Zionist fronts, and is associated with and a
strong promoter of the Iraqi National Congress. And James Woolsey
stated openly last week at a speech at UCLA that the war on Iraq
is the opening of a much-to-be-desired "Fourth World War" and
that the governments of Iran and Syria are "America's enemies" in
this war. "World War IV" is a term popularized by Zionist Jew
Norman Podhoretz, who counts the Cold War as "World War III" and
who has been screaming for the blood of independent-minded Arabs
and Moslems for decades. At UCLA a few days ago, Woolsey stated
that "We are fighting "World War IV, a war that will last longer
than World Wars I or II. As we move toward a new Middle East,"
Woolsey said, "we will make a lot of people very nervous,"
including Egypt and Saudi Arabia. "We want you nervous," said
Woolsey to countries who mistakenly believed until recently that
the U.S. was their ally. "We want you to realize that now, for
the fourth time in 100 years, this country and its allies are on
the march and that we are on the side of those whom you - the
Mubaraks, the Saudi Royal family - most fear. We're on the side
of your own people." Except for the last statement, which was a
lie because Woolsey and the befuddled masses of White Americans
are really fighting for the Jews, the copy reads like the writing
of Kevin Alfred Strom as I predicted over the last few months
what was being planned behind the closed doors of the Jewish
supremacist establishment.
[<http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ED03Ak06.html> ]
[<http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31953> ]
Well, it isn't behind closed doors any longer. Woolsey has put it
right up front, where it ought to be. The plan is to conquer the
Middle East, install carefully-controlled puppet regimes under
the false name of "democracy," and, of course, begin the
construction of media networks there under the control of the
same folks who control MTV and Faux News. And soon, degenerate
art, sick comedy mocking the history and traditions of those
peoples, and false news will glut the airwaves there, and the
parasitic minority believes that yet another recalcitrant people
will become acclimated to rule by their betters, rule by the
self-chosen people who think that they're God.
But I think that the Jewish supremacists have overreached
themselves again. I think their plan to rule Iraq with
figureheads who are sure to be repugnant to every Iraqi who isn't
a criminal or a traitor to his own people is an insane plan even
when looked at from the Jewish point of view. I think their plan
to "pacify" the peoples of the Middle East and turn them into
placid domestic animals for the "Chosen" is going to fail. I
think that what they are doing now, as they did in Germany in the
1920s and in the Spain of Ferdinand and Isabella, is more than
anything else giving the intelligent and informed people of the
world a graduate education in Jewish hubris, Jewish racism,
Jewish supremacism, and the Jewish megalomaniac desire to rule
the world. And out of that awareness a broad anti-Jewish front
will arise. It's our job to make sure that there is a substantial
White American, White Canadian, White European, White
Australasian, and White South African participation in that
inevitable broad front against Jewish supremacism, and that the
end result is the self-determination and assured survival of our
race upon this planet."
Until next week, this is Kevin Alfred Strom asking you, whenever
you look at the night sky, to remember ORION: Our Race Is Our
Nation.
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Steve Walker
> Steve Walker wrote:
>> Grass roots wrote:
>>
>>> It seems like most of the terrorism going on in Iraq is being
>>> done by Saddam loyalists who want power back.
>>
>> Rubbish
>
> Is it?
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6346471/site/newsweek/
> According to U.S. and British intelligence....
The same people who told us lies about WMDs
Sam Bam
Lies?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm
Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and
related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March
2003 U.S. military operation
"- Prof. Jonez坼
> Steve Walker wrote:
> > Sam Bam wrote:
> >
> > > Steve Walker wrote:
> > >
> > > > Grass roots wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It seems like most of the terrorism going on in Iraq is being
> > > > > done by Saddam loyalists who want power back.
> > > >
> > > > Rubbish
> > >
> > > Is it?
> > >
> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6346471/site/newsweek/
> > > According to U.S. and British intelligence....
> >
> >
> > The same people who told us lies about WMDs
> >
> >
> >
>
> Lies?
Yep.
"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for
the production of biological weapons." -- President Bush, Sept. 12, 2002.
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of
mass destruction." -- Vice President Dick Cheney, Aug. 26, 2002.
. "The Iraqi regime possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons.
It is seeking nuclear weapons." -- Bush, Oct. 7, 2002.
. "We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet
of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that would be used to disperse
chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq
is exploring ways of using the UAVs for missions targeting the United
States." -- Bush, Oct. 7, 2002.
. "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons
program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear
scientists, a group he calls his 'nuclear mujahideen' -- his nuclear holy
warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at
sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past."-- Bush, Oct.
7, 2002.
. "We know for a fact there are weapons there." -- White House spokesman Ari
Fleischer, Jan. 9, 2003.
. "Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials
to produce as much as 500 tons of Sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent." --
Bush, Jan. 28, 2003.
. "We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass
destruction, is determined to make more." -- Secretary of State Colin
Powell, Feb. 5, 2003.
. "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that
the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal
weapons ever devised." -- Bush, March 17, 2003.
. "Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that
Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical
particularly." -- Fleischer, March 21, 2003.
. "I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass
destruction." -- Kenneth Adelman, Defense Policy Board, March 23, 2003.
. "We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and
Baghdad." -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003.
. "We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so." -- Bush, May 3,
2003.
Grass roots
>> Do they hold out hope that, if they murder
> enough people, they will get him released and back in power?
>
> Tell me, since Bush made Iraq safe for $1.70/gal gas prices, how has
> the life of the average Iraqi citizen been made better? At least Saddam
> kept the lights on. What have the American troops done to repair the
> infrastructure destroyed since the war began?
>
> It's very easy to sit back in your lap of luxury and say, "They're
> mentally unstable". But if an invading army took your job away, and
> your kid died because the hospital had no antibiotics, and the water
> filtration plant didn't run anymore, wouldn't you think about putting a
> few full metal jackets between a few of those smug invaders' eyes?
You're just U.S.-hating scum!
--
Grassroots
( no email - spoofed )
Voice of freedom
> Hang the mass murdering asshole ASAP!
>
> Liberals whine that the death penalty does NOT deter crime.
> BULLSHIT. It certainly will deter that individual that you execute!
I'm tired of U.S.-hating leftist scum!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Protest_Warrior_Denver/
--
A Voice Of Freedom in the
United States of America
ray
Grass roots <Grass...@no-email.net> wrote:
And a lying scum at that. A few months ago, Iraq announced that all of
their hospitals (for the first time) were in 100% operation. Towns that
never seen clean water and electricity before now have such
conveniences. Women for the first time are attending school. Oil
facilities are being rebuilt by Haliburton with the most advanced
technology. But of course, you won't hear that on CNN.
rm...@my-deja.com
execute Hussein. Terrorism is a tactic, not an adversary. There will
still be those motivated to carry out terrorism, Hussein or no Hussein.
If anything, the war in Iraq, based on false premises, makes the world
a more dangerous place, and not less so.
chainsaw
> If anything, the war in Iraq, based on false premises,
You stupid motherfucker!
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/033jgqyi.asp?pg=2
* Iraqi defectors had been saying for years that Saddam's regime trained
"non-Iraqi Arab terrorists" at a camp in Salman Pak, south of Baghdad.
U.N. inspectors had confirmed the camp's existence, including the
presence of a Boeing 707. Defectors say the plane was used to train
hijackers; the Iraqi regime said it was used in counterterrorism
training. Sabah Khodada, a captain in the Iraqi Army, worked at Salman
Pak. In October 2001, he told PBS's "Frontline" about what went on
there. "Training is majorly on terrorism. They would be trained on
assassinations, kidnapping, hijacking of airplanes, hijacking of buses,
public buses, hijacking of trains and all other kinds of operations
related to terrorism. . . . All this training is directly toward
attacking American targets, and American interests."
* On February 13, 2003, the government of the Philippines asked Hisham
al Hussein, the second secretary of the Iraqi embassy in Manila, to
leave the country. According to telephone records obtained by Philippine
intelligence, Hussein had been in frequent contact with two leaders of
Abu Sayyaf, an al Qaeda affiliate in South Asia, immediately before and
immediately after they detonated a bomb in Zamboanga City. That attack
killed two Filipinos and an American Special Forces soldier and injured
several others. Hussein left the Philippines for Iraq after he was
"PNG'd"--declared persona non grata--by the Philippine government and
has not been heard from since.
According to a report in the Christian Science Monitor, an Abu Sayyaf
leader who planned the attack bragged on television a month after the
bombing that Iraq had contacted him about conducting joint operations.
Philippine intelligence officials were initially skeptical of his
boasting, but after finding the telephone records they believed him.
* No fewer than five high-ranking Czech officials have publicly
confirmed that Mohammed Atta, the lead September 11 hijacker, met with
Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim al-Ani, an Iraqi intelligence officer working at
the Iraqi embassy, in Prague five months before the hijacking. Media
leaks here and in the Czech Republic have called into question whether
Atta was in Prague on the key dates--between April 4 and April 11, 2001.
And several high-ranking administration officials are "agnostic" as to
whether the meeting took place. Still, the public position of the Czech
government to this day is that it did.
That assertion should be seen in the context of Atta's curious stop-off
in Prague the previous spring, as he traveled to the United States. Atta
flew to Prague from Germany on May 30, 2000, but did not have a valid
visa and was denied entry. He returned to Germany, obtained the proper
paperwork, and took a bus back to Prague. One day later, he left for the
United States.
rm...@my-deja.com
You're either a liar, or you are uneducated, and haven't read the "9/11
Commission Report." Either way, you look bad, and are quite cowardly
at doing so.
rm...@my-deja.com
What you have in Iraq is the result of a zealous and closed-minded
administration who would only accept one conclusion anyway. Good
intelligence or bad intelligence, they wanted to go to war for their
own selfish reasons.
"- Prof. Jonez坼
Yet the neo-com scumsucker's are either to ignorant to
comphend that absolute reality, or they really don't care,
being they, like Saddam, send other young and dumb idiots
to die for their greed and lies.
"- Prof. Jonez坼
That she is.
>or you are uneducated,
Pathetically so.
>and haven't read the "9/11 Commission Report."
Chainsaw (Sam Bam) is the local village idiot and neo-con
k00k who'll spout any lie, fabricate false quotations out
of whole cloth, and deny any reality or truth that conflicts
with it's racist, bigoted, murderous dogma.
>Either way, you look bad, and are quite
> cowardly at doing so.
You're not the first person to brand chainsaw (sam bam)
a coward, and won't be the last.
chainsaw
> Good intelligence or bad intelligence, they wanted to go to war for their
> own selfish reasons.
Ya it was real "selfish" to:
~ liberate the Iraqi people
~ act on 17 UNSC longstanding violations
~ depose a brutal despot
~ put an end to Sod-em's bonus payments to exploding Palestinians
~ Assist Iraq in drafting a new constitution and setting up free
elections for the first time in their history
~ stop the oil for palaces and weapons program
Right, that was so "selfish"...
Fuck you.
chainsaw
Go on then asswipe, try and tell me a bunch of damned politicians have
the investigatory acumen of even a weak episode of CSI!
Or put your thinking cap on and travel to the Bekka Valley.
chainsaw
> You're not the first person to brand chainsaw (sam bam)
> a coward
STFU you America-hating TRAITOR!
"- Prof. Jonez坼
> rm...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > Good intelligence or bad intelligence, they wanted to go to war for
> > their own selfish reasons.
>
> Ya it was real "selfish" to:
Not only selfish, quite CRIMINAL --
Lie #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting
its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase
high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas
centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."
-President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002
Fact: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by The New
York Times' usually astute Middle East correspondent Judith Miller,
has turned out to be complete baloney. Department of Energy officials
who monitor nuclear plants say the tubes could not be used for
enriching uranium. One intelligence analyst who was part of the tubes
investigation, angrily told The New Republic: "You had senior American
officials like Condoleezza Rice saying the only use of this aluminum
really is uranium centrifuges. She said that on television. And that's
just a lie."
Lie #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein
recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
-President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address
Fact: This whopper was based on a document that the White House
already knew to be a forgery, thanks to honest analysis by the CIA.
Sold to Italian intelligence by some hustler, the document carried the
signature of an official who had been out of office for 10 years and
referenced a constitution that was no longer in effect. The ex-ambassador
who the CIA sent to check out the story is angry: "They knew the Niger
story was a flat-out lie," he told The New Republic, anonymously. "They
[the White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum tubes and added this
to make their case more strongly."
Lie #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear
weapons."
-Vice President Cheney, March 16, 2003, on "Meet the Press"
Fact: There was and is absolutely no basis for this statement. CIA
reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons
program.
Lie #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts
between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade."
-CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002
and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush
Fact: Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam and
al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing
relationship. In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and Bush spun
the intelligence 180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what it
suggested.
Lie #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in
bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with
terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without
leaving any fingerprints."
-President Bush, Oct. 7
Fact: No evidence of this has ever been leaked or produced. Colin
Powell told the U.N. this alleged training took place in a camp in
northern Iraq. To his great embarrassment, the area he indicated was
later revealed to be outside Iraq's control and patrolled by Allied
war planes.
--
Lie #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has
a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be
used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas.
We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs
[unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States."
-President Bush, Oct. 7
Fact: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6,000
miles from the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building
program wasn't much more advanced than your average model plane
enthusiast. And isn't a "manned aerial vehicle" just a scary way to
say "plane"?
Lie #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have
chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and
that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and
control arrangements have been established."
-President Bush, Feb. 8, 2003
Fact: Despite a massive search by U.S. and British forces in Iraq,
there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being
deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.
Lie #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile
of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough
to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets."
-Secretary of State Colin Powell, Feb. 5, 2003, in remarks to the U.N.
Security Council
Fact: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this massive
stockpile has been found, U.S. intelligence reports show that these
stocks-if they existed-were well past their use-by date and therefore
useless as weapon fodder.
Lie #9: "We know where [Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction] are. They're
in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north
somewhat."
-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003
Fact: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east, west,
south or north, somewhat or otherwise.
Lie #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the U.N.
prohibited."
-President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1,
2003
Fact: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck trailers
that the CIA claimed were potential mobile biological weapons lab. But
British and American experts (including a recent report by the State
Department's intelligence wing) have since declared this to be untrue.
According to the British, and much to Prime Minister Tony Blair's
embarrassment, the trailers are actually exactly what Iraq said they
were: facilities to fill weather balloons, sold to them by the British
themselves.
chainsaw
must someday by God's grace...
> die for greed and lies.
chainsaw
> chainsaw wrote:
>
>>rm...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Good intelligence or bad intelligence, they wanted to go to war for
>>>their own selfish reasons.
>>
>>Ya it was real "selfish" to:
>
>
> Not only selfish, quite CRIMINAL --
Ya it was real "selfish" to:
~ liberate the Iraqi people
"- Prof. Jonez坼
> "- Prof. JonezŠ" wrote:
>
> > You're not the first person to brand chainsaw (sam bam)
> > a coward
>
> STFU
No.
> you America-hating TRAITOR!
Fortunately lowlife fascist scumbags like you don't get
to make that call.
chainsaw
> chainsaw wrote:
>
>> "- Prof. JonezŠ" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You're not the first person to brand chainsaw (sam bam)
>>>a coward
>>
>>STFU
>
>
> No.
YES!
"- Prof. Jonez坼
> "- Prof. JonezŠ" wrote:
> > chainsaw wrote:
> >
> > > rm...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Good intelligence or bad intelligence, they wanted to go to war
> > > > for their own selfish reasons.
> > >
> > > Ya it was real "selfish" to:
> >
> >
> > Not only selfish, quite CRIMINAL --
>
> Ya it was real "selfish" to:
Sit at home like the spinless chickenhawk coward
that you are and send 1000s of hapless US troops
to fight and DIE for your scumbag lies, coward.
"- Prof. Jonez坼
> "- Prof. Jonez©":
>
> must someday by God's grace...
Yer perverted "gaaaawd" has no grace, scumbag.
"- Prof. Jonez坼
> "- Prof. JonezŠ" wrote:
> > chainsaw wrote:
> >
> > > "- Prof. JonezŠ" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > You're not the first person to brand chainsaw (sam bam)
> > > > a coward
> > >
> > > STFU
> >
> >
> > No.
>
> YES!
Naw.
cosmi...@yahoo.com
chainsaw wrote:
>
> Right, that was so "selfish"...
>
> Fuck you.
Face it man... The Iraq was was a selfish act, you just have to look at
the 'deals' that were planned BEFORE the invasion to come to that
conclusion. You're probably the kinda person that's still trying to
get Evolution out of schools!
-cos
"- Prof. Jonez坼
Yep. Chainsaw's an ignorant extreme right baaable thumper.
>
> -cos
"- Prof. Jonez坼
War critics astonished as US hawk admits invasion was illegal
Oliver Burkeman and Julian Borger in Washington
Thursday November 20, 2003
The Guardian
International lawyers and anti-war campaigners reacted with astonishment
yesterday after the influential Pentagon hawk Richard Perle conceded that the
invasion of Iraq had been illegal.
In a startling break with the official White House and Downing Street lines, Mr
Perle told an audience in London: "I think in this case international law stood
in the way of doing the right thing."
President George Bush has consistently argued that the war was legal either
because of existing UN security council resolutions on Iraq - also the British
government's publicly stated view - or as an act of self-defence permitted by
international law.
But Mr Perle, a key member of the defence policy board, which advises the US
defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, said that "international law ... would have
required us to leave Saddam Hussein alone", and this would have been morally
unacceptable.
French intransigence, he added, meant there had been "no practical mechanism
consistent with the rules of the UN for dealing with Saddam Hussein".
Mr Perle, who was speaking at an event organised by the Institute of
Contemporary Arts in London, had argued loudly for the toppling of the Iraqi
dictator since the end of the 1991 Gulf war.
"They're just not interested in international law, are they?" said Linda Hugl, a
spokeswoman for the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, which launched a high
court challenge to the war's legality last year. "It's only when the law suits
them that they want to use it."
Mr Perle's remarks bear little resemblance to official justifications for war,
according to Rabinder Singh QC, who represented CND and also participated in
Tuesday's event.
Certainly the British government, he said, "has never advanced the suggestion
that it is entitled to act, or right to act, contrary to international law in
relation to Iraq".
The Pentagon adviser's views, he added, underlined "a divergence of view between
the British govern ment and some senior voices in American public life [who]
have expressed the view that, well, if it's the case that international law
doesn't permit unilateral pre-emptive action without the authority of the UN,
then the defect is in international law".
Mr Perle's view is not the official one put forward by the White House. Its main
argument has been that the invasion was justified under the UN charter, which
guarantees the right of each state to self-defence, including pre-emptive
self-defence. On the night bombing began, in March, Mr Bush reiterated America's
"sovereign authority to use force" to defeat the threat from Baghdad.
The UN secretary general, Kofi Annan, has questioned that justification, arguing
that the security council would have to rule on whether the US and its allies
were under imminent threat.
"I think Perle's statement has the virtue of honesty," said Michael Dorf, a law
professor at Columbia University who opposed the war, arguing that it was
illegal.
The controversy-prone Mr Perle resigned his chairmanship of the defence policy
board earlier this year but remained a member of the advisory board.
"- Prof. Jonez坼
> "- Prof. JonezŠ" wrote:
> > chainsaw wrote:
> >
> > > rm...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Good intelligence or bad intelligence, they wanted to go to war
> > > > for their own selfish reasons.
> > >
> > > Ya it was real "selfish" to:
> >
> >
> > Not only selfish, quite CRIMINAL --
>
> Ya it was real "selfish" to:
and DEAD WRONG ! 100,000+ DEAD to be exact you neo-com
scumbag.
>
> > > > Report Says U.S. Intelligence 'Dead Wrong' on Iraq
> > > > Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:42 AM ET
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > By Steve Holland and Adam Entous
> > > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. intelligence on Iraq was "dead
> > > > wrong," dealing a blow to American credibility that will take
> > > > years to undo, and spymasters still know disturbingly little about
> > > > nuclear programs in countries like Iran and North Korea, a
> > > > presidential commission reported on Thursday.
> > > > The commission's bluntly written report, based on more than a
> > > > year of investigations, offered a damning assessment of the
> > > > intelligence that President Bush used to launch the Iraq war two
> > > > years ago and warned that flaws are still all too common
> > > > throughout spy agencies. "We conclude that the intelligence
> > > > community was dead wrong in
> > > > almost all of its prewar judgments about Iraq's weapons of mass
> > > > destruction," the commissioners wrote.
> > > >
> > > > And at a time when the United States is accusing Iran of nuclear
> > > > ambitions and pressuring North Korea on its nuclear programs,
> > > > the report said: "Across the board, the intelligence community knows
> > > > disturbingly little about the nuclear programs of many of the
> > > > world's most dangerous actors."
> > > > The presidential commission, led by appeals court judge Laurence
> > > > Silberman and former Virginia Republican Sen. Charles Robb,
> > > > called for a broad overhaul in the spy community to increase
> > > > information-sharing and foster dissenting views.
> > > > "The flaws we found in the intelligence community's Iraq
> > > > performance are still all too common," they wrote.
> > > >
> > > > White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the president agreed
> > > > the intelligence community needs fundamental change. He said its
> > > > recommendations would be reviewed and acted on "in a fairly
> > > > quick period of time."
> > > > A key chapter in the report -- on U.S. intelligence on alleged
> > > > nuclear weapons programs in Iran and North Korea -- was
> > > > classified and not released publicly.
> > > > But sources familiar with that section said it was among the
> > > > most critical, finding U.S. intelligence on Iran's nuclear
> > > > program in particular to be inadequate.
> > > >
> > > > The White House has acknowledged intelligence shortcomings --
> > > > national security adviser Stephen Hadley called data on Iran
> > > > "hard to come by" -- but the administration has made clear it stands
> > > > by its policy of preemption.
> > > > A senior administration official said "there has been no change
> > > > in our policy to confront threats before they have the opportunity
> > > > to strike the homeland."
> > > > IRAQ INTELLIGENCE 'WORTHLESS OR MISLEADING'
> > > >
> > > > The 600-page report sharply criticized the
> > > > intelligence-gathering on Iraq by the CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency
> > > > and other
> > > > agencies for producing "worthless or misleading" intelligence
> > > > before a war fought over claims that Saddam Hussein possessed
> > > > weapons of mass destruction, none of which was found.
> > > > In what amounted to a direct assault on George Tenet, who was
> > > > CIA director in the run-up to the Iraq war and gave the
> > > > president his daily intelligence briefing, the commission found that
> > > > "the
> > > > daily reports sent to the president and senior policymakers
> > > > discussing Iraq over many months proved to be disastrously one-sided."
> > > >
> > > > Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, accused of hyping the
> > > > intelligence on Iraq in order to pursue a costly war with a
> > > > deadly aftermath, escaped direct blame.
> > > >
> > > > It added: "It is hard to deny the conclusion that
> > > > intelligence analysts worked in an environment that did not
> > > > encourage skepticism about the conventional wisdom."
chainsaw
> chainsaw wrote:
>
>>Right, that was so "selfish"...
>>
>>Fuck you.
>
>
> Face it man... The Iraq was was a selfish act, you just have to look at
> the 'deals' that were planned BEFORE the invasion to come to that
> conclusion.
Oh..the "dea's" eh?
Like all that OIL we were suppose to be getting from them?
So, about how much do you figure we've imported from Iraq anyway?
chainsaw
> chainsaw wrote:
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>>>chainsaw wrote:
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>>>>"- Prof. Jonez©" wrote:
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>>>>>You're not the first person to brand chainsaw (sam bam)
>>>>>a coward
>>>>
>>>>STFU
>>>
>>>
>>>No.
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>>YES!
>
>
> Naw.
>
>
chainsaw
TRAITOR!
chainsaw
Ya it was real "selfish" to:
~ liberate the Iraqi people
"- Prof. Jonez坼
> "- Prof. JonezŠ" wrote:
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> Ya it was real "selfish" to:
"- Prof. Jonez坼
> "- Prof. JonezŠ" wrote:
> TRAITOR!
Can't even get ONE (1) signature can you, fascist scumbag?
rm...@my-deja.com
many neo-cons (and con is the operative word) will not admit that the
campaign was clearly a mistake, and based on false premises. So all
they have left is to continue to try and lie and distort. Fortunately,
some of us won't buy the selfish hype and propaganda from the
administration, or from it's sheepish and fearful followers.
rm...@my-deja.com
challenge illogical, irrational jingoism based on lies.
rm...@my-deja.com
Of course, profane characters like that go against almost all the
things that their precious baaable stands for. How ironic.