If you love Tibet, why remove Chinese investment?
jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com
most people here, I found the mysticism of Tibet interesting. The
daily lives of Tibetans also interested me, but as I studied this, I
found that under the ancient regime of Tibetan nobles and Lamas,
Tibet really was no Shangri la.
While many countries passed through a medieval phase at some point in
their history, the dark ages of Tibet unfortunately lasted until the
1950s, which is probably because of Tibet's remote location and
separation from the rest of the world.
When China liberated Tibet in the 1950s, the ancient regime resisted
and rebelled, wanting to maintain it's privileges. The Chinese had to
fight them which resulted in the killing and torture of many Tibetans.
The same thing happened in the US during the civil war, when the north
attempted to liberate the blacks from southern slave owners.
Since the 1950s, the Chinese have invested billions in Tibet for the
development of infrastructure, bringing them into the modern world. If
you love Tibet, why would you want to take this investment away from
them? Or do you expect the Chinese to continue investing in the
development of Tibet as an independent country?
If not the Chinese, then who will help to bring Tibet out of it's long
dark ages? The Russians? The Indians? The global corporations? I don't
mind seeing a McDonalds or KFC in Tibet, but I wouldn't want the
country to be run by them.
I believe the Chinese are best suited to developing Tibet and
preserving it's culture. They would be the ones most capable of
preserving the oriental qualities of Tibet that most of us appreciate
so much.
Jakub A. Krzewicki
'jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com'
<jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com> contaminated talk.politics.tibet
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> If not the Chinese, then who will help to bring Tibet out of it's long
> dark ages? The Russians? The Indians? The global corporations? I don't
> mind seeing a McDonalds or KFC in Tibet, but I wouldn't want the
> country to be run by them.
>
> I believe the Chinese are best suited to developing Tibet and
> preserving it's culture. They would be the ones most capable of
> preserving the oriental qualities of Tibet that most of us appreciate
> so much.
India would be more suitable to bring Tibet out of middle ages than China.
Tibetan religion is Buddhism and Tibetan alphabet has some Indian, not
Chinese origins. Tibetans have alphabetic not CJK literacy.
--
tois egregorosin hena kai koinon kosmon einai
ton de koimomenon hekaston eis idion apostrephesthai
Peter Terpstra
<3b97f9d6-bd40-4645...@s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com> :
> I believe the Chinese are best suited to developing Tibet and
> preserving it's culture. They would be the ones most capable of
> preserving the oriental qualities of Tibet that most of us appreciate
> so much.
China is one of the darkest countries in the world, has brought many
destruction, killing and robing to China itself and the occupied
territories, hope that the Chinese can free themself out of these dark
ages, there are enough countries willing to help. Everybody loves China but
they do not want to see that.
Kind regards,
Peter
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mailto:pe...@dharma.dyndns.biz
pan6pcpc
> o-distance-l
excellent
pan6pcpc
> India would be more suitable to bring Tibet out of middle ages than China.
> Tibetan religion is Buddhism and Tibetan alphabet has some Indian, not
> Chinese origins. Tibetans have alphabetic not CJK literacy.
Your ignorance!!!!!
On the stage of linguistics ,Tibetan and Chinese are two main languages of
'Sino-Tibetan family' while Indian belongs to 'Indo-European family'.
Jakub A. Krzewicki
<pan6...@secureix.com> contaminated talk.politics.tibet with the following
letter:
> ? Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:17:26 +0200?Jakub A. Krzewicki???
>
>> India would be more suitable to bring Tibet out of middle ages than
>> China. Tibetan religion is Buddhism and Tibetan alphabet has some Indian,
>> not Chinese origins. Tibetans have alphabetic not CJK literacy.
>
> Your ignorance!!!!!
>
>
> On the stage of linguistics ,Tibetan and Chinese are two main languages of
> 'Sino-Tibetan family' while Indian belongs to 'Indo-European family'.
Who is an ignoramus here?
Sino-Tibetan family is a Chinese myth. Actually, they are rather exactly
three families of independent genesis: a Tibeto-Burmese, Chinese and
Tai-Kadai ones, which created in some historical moment a loose
"Sino-Thai-Tibetan" l e a g u e. Some older researchers tried to add to
this pot-pourri Vietnamese-Mon-Khmer or Austro-Asiatic family but their
hypotesis was not maintained too long since the similarities happened to be
so superficious.
Tibet had no trace of the cult of Confucius, it was a Buddhist country with
a Brahmi-derived alphabet like Bhutan, Burma and Thailand. Their cultures
are more close to themselves than to the Chinese one. The literary language
of their educated and cultured people, apart from their native languages,
was definitively Sanskrit, not some Han substrata.
jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com
> Tibetan religion is Buddhism and Tibetan alphabet has some Indian, not
> Chinese origins. Tibetans have alphabetic not CJK literacy.
Racially, Chinese and Tibetans are both Mongolian. Though I don't know
if either race or language are the significant factors.
Also, India has vast quantities of homeless people. How can it spend
money in Tibet when it can't take care of it's own. China already
spends billions in Tibet.
Jakub A. Krzewicki
'jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com'
<jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com> contaminated talk.politics.tibet
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> Racially, Chinese and Tibetans are both Mongolian.
Bullshit, just thousand year ago Tibet was a multiracial society --- there
were many Tibetans of Caucasian or half-Caucasian race, for example
Milarepa was a Caucasian Nordic with blond hair and blue eyes. Did you ever
heard of Tarim mummies of Tocharians? Now the Caucasian Nordic race is
preserved only in the Kalash tribe in Afghanistan, but two thousand years
ago was common in the Central Asian steppes and mountain regions (incl.
Himalaya and Kun-Lun) which are the Urheimat of the Indo-Europeans.
The present Mongoloid racial appearance of Tibetans is a result of
one-and-half thousand intermingling primary with some Mongols and Uighurs,
only secondary with the Han people. I would like to remind you that Bhutan,
Burma (a.k.a. Myanmar), and Thailand (alias Siam) have also people of
Mongolian appeareance but they are presently 100 % independent countries
with Brahmi-derived alphabets and Buddhist religion. Even Cambodia (vel
Kampuchea) after the bloody excesses of the tyrant Pol Pot and subsequent
Vietnamese occupation returned to the system of Buddhist kingdom with the
native Norodom dynasty. Even Viet Nam is independent despite being
Communist. There are really more alternatives for Tibetans than foreign
Chinese rule.
Do you know that I am a Pole from Poland? It was a country which after the
partitions was even said by Russian occupants in 19th century as an
integral part of Russia. Now nearly 2 decades after the end of the second
Russian occupation Poland is in the European Union, because most Poles
identifies themselves as the European people, and nobody as a Russian. It
has oobviously the little influence of chance of the de-facto semi-colonial
system of our country, but the transition from the Russian to the Western
influence zone is seen as a real "thaw" because of the introduction of
nearly unlimited civil liberties like freedom of the press, freedom of
religion, freedom of the movement, freedom of forming political parties and
all freedoms of contemporary western bourgeois democracy. Today de-facto
dependency of Poland has only an economic aspect: it's a severe dependency
in economy, but we have not any dependency concerning the civil liberties
and formal independence recognized by UN, more effective executed than
during the Communist period. I think that many non-Westerners would change
their living place to ours if you consider also our high GNP.
If Chinese people were more reasonable they would give the formal
independence and Western-like bourgeois civil liberties to Tibet including
freedom of religion incl. Dalai-lama succession. It would not cancel their
economic influence zone anyway, but would instead redistribute more product
of their technical and economic progress to the Tibetans. The Chinese
companies would for example still exploit Tibetan uranium, but taxes from
this activity would not go to Beijing but to Lhasa and not to the Han
people but to the ethnic Tibetans. If the Chinese government would like to
still maintain their strategic military presence --- voila, but they should
to pay the proper sum of Chinese Renminbi Yuan to the government of the
future independent Kingdom of Bod and give them a military offset of
helicopters, tanks, cannons and fighter aircrafts, just like US & A pay
Germany in US Dollars for their bases in Ramstein and anywhere else. Even
the Russian occupants during the Communism period gave some tanks and
aircrafts to the Polish Army. The Chinese should remember that Tibet is the
homeland of the Tibetans, not of the Han people, and that it had and should
have it's own political system, not a Chinese one.
jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com
in Tibet, rather than that the Indians should develop Tibet.
jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com
>with Brahmi-derived alphabets and Buddhist religion.
Still, I don't think the Tibetans would want to give up the 100
billion yuan per year that the Chinese invest there, in order to be
like Thailand and Myanmar.
jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com
independence and Western-like bourgeois civil liberties to Tibet
including
freedom of religion incl. Dalai-lama succession. It would not cancel
their
economic influence zone anyway, but would instead redistribute more
product
of their technical and economic progress to the Tibetans.
> I see, you covered that here. Maybe, this is a good idea.
jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com
>independence and Western-like bourgeois civil liberties to Tibet including
>freedom of religion incl. Dalai-lama succession.
Do you mean Dalai lama succession as a religious or governmental
institution? Separation of church and state would permit non Buddhist
Tibetans to maintain their freedom of religion.
jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com
>homeland of the Tibetans, not of the Han people, and that it had and should
>have it's own political system, not a Chinese one.
Would you recommend for Americans that they should remember that
America is the homeland of the the American Indians, not the white
people, and should have a native American political system? Same for
Australia?
Jakub A. Krzewicki
'jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com'
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Really i f..k Americans and Aussies, their continuous trouble with the
external terrorists and internal economical depressions, environment
polllution, organized crime etc. is a kind of retribution of their karmic
debt for killing American Indians and using Black people as slaves. Maybe
they'll some time share the fate of Indians themselves...
jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com
> external terrorists and internal economical depressions, environment
> polllution, organized crime etc. is a kind of retribution of their karmic
> debt for killing American Indians and using Black people as slaves. Maybe
> they'll some time share the fate of Indians themselves...
Economic collapse is quite likely. Hopefully, Hilary Clinton will be
able to do something constructive. I think a return to the New Deal
strategy, with modifications for the current situation, is what's
needed.
This means fixed exchange rate with countries like China, low interest
rates (1-2%) for public investment in critical infrastructure
development. It worked to get us out of the great depression, could
work now.
Jakub A. Krzewicki
'jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com'
<jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com> contaminated talk.politics.tibet
with the following letter:
> Economic collapse is quite likely. Hopefully, Hilary Clinton
Jagshemash. Please don't say Hillary Clinton to an open source user like me.
"Hopefully, Hillary Clinton" is a joke just because Hillary Clinton is
hopeless. Just as Microsoft and Disney they are on my blacklist for
supporting proprietary and close-source DRM. Hillary is one of the reasons
which I am really happy that I live in Europe and I will never migrate to
the "US & A".
> will be
> able to do something constructive. I think a return to the New Deal
> strategy, with modifications for the current situation, is what's
> needed.
You don't even know that your New Deal is not an invention of President F.D.
Roosevelt. This nice syphilitical gentleman would not raise the country and
make his New Deal on his own with his disease-damaged brain. All his good
job was invented by his secret guru a Russian Communist and spiritual
Buddhist Leader Nicholas Roerich who was the most serious competitor of
Thubten Gyatso to the title of XIII Dalai-Lama.
> This means fixed exchange rate with countries like China, low interest
> rates (1-2%) for public investment in critical infrastructure
> development. It worked to get us out of the great depression, could
> work now.
Let us hope so! But must it really be Hillary?
jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com
>
> Jagshemash. Please don't say Hillary Clinton to an open source user like me.
> "Hopefully, Hillary Clinton" is a joke just because Hillary Clinton is
> hopeless. Just as Microsoft and Disney they are on my blacklist for
> supporting proprietary and close-source DRM. Hillary is one of the reasons
> which I am really happy that I live in Europe and I will never migrate to
> the "US & A".
I don't know about these things, practically all politicians have
something wrong with them these days. She seems to have the most to
offer. The others could be must worse.
> > will be
> > able to do something constructive. I think a return to the New Deal
> > strategy, with modifications for the current situation, is what's
> > needed.
>
> You don't even know that your New Deal is not an invention of President F.D.
> Roosevelt. This nice syphilitical gentleman would not raise the country and
> make his New Deal on his own with his disease-damaged brain.
I think you are not interested in peaceful dialog if you say such
things.
> > This means fixed exchange rate with countries like China, low interest
> > rates (1-2%) for public investment in critical infrastructure
> > development. It worked to get us out of the great depression, could
> > work now.
>
> Let us hope so! But must it really be Hillary?
No one else is more likely to do what needs to be done.
Jakub A. Krzewicki
'jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com'
<jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com> contaminated talk.politics.tibet
with the following letter:
>> You don't even know that your New Deal is not an invention of President
>> F.D. Roosevelt. This nice syphilitical gentleman would not raise the
>> country and make his New Deal on his own with his disease-damaged brain.
>
> I think you are not interested in peaceful dialog if you say such
> things.
Jagshemash. It was rather a dark rhetorical sarcasm. If you feel offended
I'm ready to excuse you or someone for whom you stand to be offended.
Don't think I wouldn't try to be peaceful until it would be possible to keep
such a dialog --- unlike e.g. the outgoing President of "US & A" made in
Iraq.
BTW. We in Poland are especially "grateful" to the President of our best
ally --- FDR --- who signed the Yalta Conference agreements in 1945, which
gave the Soviet occupant a free hand to establish the government of Poland
for half a century. So grateful that there is Franklin Delano Roosevelt St.
in my city as one of two streets named after the American Presidents:
http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/MDEzOTk=,ulica.html
(the second one is Reagan Circle)
>> Let us hope so! But must it really be Hillary?
>
> No one else is more likely to do what needs to be done.
What about Obama?
jim...@guide-to-distance-learning.com
>
Obama's campaign was set up by financial interests to beat Hillary
Clinton and then, to self distruct. Although it hasn't yet attained
it's primary objective, it is now in the process of self destruction,
with new Obama scandals appearing regularly.
The plan was that Obama takes Hilary down, then the media would take
Obama down, leaving the Republican candidate to win. Luckily for
Americans, this isn't happening.