Creeping Militarization
Scott Erb
militarization" of American foreign policy: http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=253931
It is time for the US political leaders to stop abusing the military
and military personnel. The creeping militarization is due to an
essentially misguided foreign policy: http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/creeping-militarization/
Mitchell Holman
Scott Erb
You know, so many people, students and friends, have recommended that
video to me, and I haven't seen it before. Superb. I like Ike!
4120 Dead
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Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:33:25 -0700 (PDT), Scott Erb
><scot...@maine.edu> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 17, 10:15 pm, Mitchell Holman <Noem...@comcast.com> wrote:
>>> Scott Erb <scott...@maine.edu> wrote innews:1247d5b0-941e-430a...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>> > Some good news: Defense Secretary Robert Gates has warned of "creeping
>>> > militarization" of American foreign policy:
>>> >http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=253931
>>>
>>> > It is time for the US political leaders to stop abusing the military
>>> > and military personnel. The creeping militarization is due to an
>>> > essentially misguided foreign policy:
>>> >http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/creeping-militarization/
>>>
>>> http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/
>>
>>You know, so many people, students and friends, have recommended that
>>video to me, and I haven't seen it before. Superb. I like Ike!
>
>If it was up to me, it would be a required element in any social
>studies class after the sixth grade.
Not much will ever be to you Jamieson... you can't even take care of
your own miserable life.....
Foxtrot
>Mitchell Holman <Noem...@comcast.com> wrote:
>> Scott Erb <scott...@maine.edu> wrote
>> > Some good news: Defense Secretary Robert Gates has warned of "creeping
>> > militarization" of American foreign policy:
>> >http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=253931
>>
>> > It is time for the US political leaders to stop abusing the military
>> > and military personnel. The creeping militarization is due to an
>> > essentially misguided foreign policy:
>> >http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/creeping-militarization/
>>
>> http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/
>
>You know, so many people, students and friends, have recommended that
>video to me, and I haven't seen it before. Superb. I like Ike!
Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher peacefully won the Cold War.
It was clearly over by the time BJ took office. We no longer need the
enormous military and hundreds of bases around the world, just a few
big ones in the mideast would be adequate these days.
Question for you partisan Dems who blame Repubs for our bloated
military and much of the world's view that we are imperialistic. Why
didn't your hero Billy Jeff do the right thing and close most of our bases
around the world which are no longer needed?
Foxtrot
Creeping?!? We have been militarily entrenched around the world for
many decades. But Gates and the author only bemoan our many military
endeavors since the early 90s. I take this to be a painful admission that
Reagan and Thatcher won the Cold War, thus our hamfisted military
presence around the world since then has been unnecessary.
Speaking of the need for bringing "sanity to a foreign policy defined
by neo-conservative militarism", the author is clearly trying to blame
our big national presence on the right. Later in the piece he admits
that BJ and Albright were every bit as responsible. IOW it's easy to
blame Repubs but not so easy to blame libs who do the exact same
things.
Kevin Cunningham
The most demented sentence of the year!!!! Its not just wrong, its
WRONG. Reagan that Thatcher had very, very little to do with the fall
of the Soviet Union. Mostly they just watched as free people like
Lech Walenska ended Soviet oppression.
On the the next moronic paragraph. So why didn't Conservative Bush,
either I or II shut down unwanted bases? Oh, and why did Bush II
start a moronic war and kill 4,100 of his troops and wound 26,000?
Why did he lie to start the war?
Well, lying and conservatism, they go together like a whore and a john.
Steve
..as if you'd know..
4120 Dead
Gosh, I remember you were trying to pretend he did a few years back
(remember the old Dole whines about Clinton "gutting the military"?).
But then it turned out the Bush Senior closed all those bases and cut
funding (which at the time you called the "Peace Dividend") and you
couln't make that whine any more without being laughed at.
Gandalf Grey
"Steve" <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message
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Way to go, "Steve". As usual, you don't have a single constructive comment,
just a personal slam
Mitchell Holman
@4ax.com:
"Congress approved four rounds of base closures in 1988,
1991, 1993 and 1995 in a push to cut military costs after
a massive arms buildup during the Reagan years. A total
of 97 major bases closed, and Congress is now gearing up
for a new round of base closings in 2005."
www.newarkadvocate.com/news/stories/ 20030630/localnews/569408.html
Bases were closed under Reagan, Bush 41 and
Clinton, but only Clinton is guilty of "gutting
the military".
Consider further:
"Since 1988, 95 bases have been closed under a special
bipartisan procedure set up by Congress. The last round
of closings was in 1995. Congress in June 1997 rejected
the Pentagon's request for a new round starting in 1999
and 2001. The Pentagon tried again in November 1997,
recommending more base closures in 2001 and 2005. That
request was also denied."
lists.jammed.com/ISN/1999/01/0089.html
David Moffitt
%%%% You can't mention creeping militarization without bring up Obama's
statement that he will create a "Civilian National Security Force".
This "Civilian Defense Force" will be equipped just as well as the
military, that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded
according to Obama. He also wants every child in middle and highschool to
perform "public service" every year. What is he going to do with this large
secret police? My questions are will they wear black uniforms with twin
lightning bolts on the collars and a skull on their cap? What will he call
this "Civilian Defense Force" since the names Gestapo and KGB are already
taken.
"It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone
collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is
someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of
slaves and masters, and intends to be the master." -- Ayn Rand
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>
>Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher peacefully won the Cold War.
>It was clearly over by the time BJ took office.
Peacefully won the cold war? rotf. What you meant to say was that
Regan was illegally selling weapons to Iran, smuggling coke into the
US, smuggling weapons into central America and running death squads in
Central America. Peaceful my ass.
Regan was a criminal. Unfortunately, his non-prosecution is just more
evidence that our political checks and balances have not been working
for a very long time.
We need to turn this situation around with the prosecution of Bush 43
for massive crimes and warcrimes. If we don't do it domestically, we
need to petition the ICC to get involved.
--
Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.
Voltaire
Scott Erb
> Scott Erb <scott...@maine.edu> wrote:
> >Mitchell Holman <Noem...@comcast.com> wrote:
> >> Scott Erb <scott...@maine.edu> wrote
> >> > Some good news: Defense Secretary Robert Gates has warned of "creeping
> >> > militarization" of American foreign policy:
> >> >http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=253931
>
> >> > It is time for the US political leaders to stop abusing the military
> >> > and military personnel. The creeping militarization is due to an
> >> > essentially misguided foreign policy:
> >> >http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/creeping-militarization/
>
> >>http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/
>
> >You know, so many people, students and friends, have recommended that
> >video to me, and I haven't seen it before. Superb. I like Ike!
>
> Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher peacefully won the Cold War.
They were smart enough to realize that Gorbachev meant business.
Reagan stopped defense spending increases in real terms, and opened up
to real deals with Gorbachev. Luckily both Thatcher and Reagan
realized that hawkishness would not win the Cold War, dealing with
Gorbachev and helping him reform would. They do get credit for that
(though every once in awhile some clueless person will think defense
spending increases pushed the Soviets out. That neglects the state of
the Soviet economy, which started collapse in the mid-seventies and
only got a short respite from oil prices in 1979-81, and the fact that
Reagan spent even less than Carter's projections.
> It was clearly over by the time BJ took office. We no longer need the
> enormous military and hundreds of bases around the world, just a few
> big ones in the mideast would be adequate these days.
Not even those.
> Question for you partisan Dems who blame Repubs for our bloated
> military and much of the world's view that we are imperialistic. Why
> didn't your hero Billy Jeff do the right thing and close most of our bases
> around the world which are no longer needed?
Some of us blame both Democrats and Republicans as co-conspirators.
The result of policies since 1981 is conditions I'm convinced are
going to lead to a crisis worse than the Great Depression:
http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/the-economic-storm/
Scott Erb
True, but if Reagan hadn't been more flexible than some conservatives
who were very upset that Reagan was so friendly to Gorbachev, it could
have ended much worse. Reagan deserves credit for stopping the
defense build up after getting together with Gorbachev, and working
with Gorbi. Some on the right complained that Weinberger and
especially Shultz weren't letting "Reagan be Reagan," they believed
Reagan was a died in the wool hawk. Luckily he wasn't.
Mitchell Holman
news:okg284hn9p38agjiu...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:16:53 -0700, Foxtrot <fox...@null.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher peacefully won the Cold War.
>>It was clearly over by the time BJ took office.
>
>
>
> Peacefully won the cold war? rotf. What you meant to say was that
> Regan was illegally selling weapons to Iran, smuggling coke into the
> US, smuggling weapons into central America and running death squads in
> Central America. Peaceful my ass.
>
> Regan was a criminal. Unfortunately, his non-prosecution is just more
> evidence that our political checks and balances have not been working
> for a very long time.
>
"Between 1980 and 1989, some 138 appointees of the Reagan
administration either resigned under an ethical cloud or
were criminally indicted. This marks the largest collection
of political wrongdoers in the nation's history."
Elite Deviance - David R. Simon & D. Stanley Eitzen
David Moffitt
"Mitchell Holman" <Noe...@comcast.com> wrote in message
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%%%% Now for the complete story instead of quotes out of context!
RECORDS SET
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court
* According to our best information, 40 government officials were indicted
or convicted in the wake of Watergate. A reader computes that there was a
total of 31 Reagan era convictions, including 14 because of Iran-Contra and
16 in the Department of Housing & Urban Development scandal. 47 individuals
and businesses associated with the Clinton machine were convicted of or
pleaded guilty to crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton
administration itself. There were in addition 61 indictments or misdemeanor
charges. 14 persons were imprisoned. A key difference between the Clinton
story and earlier ones was the number of criminals with whom he was
associated before entering the White House.
Here's the part he posted:
Using a far looser standard that included resignations, David R. Simon and
D. Stanley Eitzen in Elite Deviance, say that 138 appointees of the Reagan
administration either resigned under an ethical cloud or were criminally
indicted. Curiously Haynes Johnson uses the same figure but with a different
standard in "Sleep-Walking Through History: America in the Reagan Years: "By
the end of his term, 138 administration officials had been convicted, had
been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for
official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of
officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."
STARR-RAY INVESTIGATION
- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas (including
one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business
partners): 14
- Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3
CRIME STATS
- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine
who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment,
fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses)
refused to be interviewed: 122
SMALTZ INVESTIGATION
- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving
charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy
and associated individuals and businesses: 15
- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6
- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million
- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million
CLINTON MACHINE CRIMES
FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS
HAVE BEEN OBTAINED
Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery (4), tax evasion,
kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans,
illegal gifts (1), illegal campaign contributions (5), money laundering (6),
perjury, obstruction of justice.
OTHER MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS
AND CONGRESS, OR REPORTED IN THE MEDIA
Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign
campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical
violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of
witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors,
perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal
investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of
justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug
trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state
officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions
or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court
testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by
medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of
the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and
his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing
jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, improper acquisition
and use of 900 FBI files, improper futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of
employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents,
withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges
against (and improper firing of) White House employees, inviting drug
traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White
House.
ARKANSAS ALTZHEIMER'S
Number of times that Clinton figures who testified in court or before
Congress said that they didn't remember, didn't know, or something similar.
Bill Kennedy 116
Harold Ickes 148
Ricki Seidman 160
Bruce Lindsey 161
Bill Burton 191
Mark Gearan 221
Mack McLarty 233
Neil Egglseston 250
Hillary Clinton 250
John Podesta 264
Jennifer O'Connor 343
Dwight Holton 348
Patsy Thomasson 420
Jeff Eller 697
FROM THE WASHINGTON TIMES: In the portions of President Clinton's Jan. 17
deposition that have been made public in the Paula Jones case, his memory
failed him 267 times. This is a list of his answers and how many times he
gave each one.
I don't remember - 71
I don't know - 62
I'm not sure - 17
I have no idea - 10
I don't believe so - 9
I don't recall - 8
I don't think so - 8
I don't have any specific recollection - 6
I have no recollection - 4
Not to my knowledge - 4
I just don't remember - 4
I don't believe - 4
I have no specific recollection - 3
I might have - 3
I don't have any recollection of that - 2 I don't have a specific memory - 2
I don't have any memory of that - 2
I just can't say - 2
I have no direct knowledge of that - 2
I don't have any idea - 2
Not that I recall - 2
I don't believe I did - 2
I can't remember - 2
I can't say - 2
I do not remember doing so - 2
Not that I remember - 2
I'm not aware - 1
I honestly don't know - 1
I don't believe that I did - 1
I'm fairly sure - 1
I have no other recollection - 1
I'm not positive - 1
I certainly don't think so - 1
I don't really remember - 1
I would have no way of remembering that - 1
That's what I believe happened - 1
To my knowledge, no - 1
To the best of my knowledge - 1
To the best of my memory - 1
I honestly don't recall - 1
I honestly don't remember - 1
That's all I know - 1
I don't have an independent recollection of that - 1
I don't actually have an independent memory of that - 1
As far as I know - 1
I don't believe I ever did that - 1
That's all I know about that - 1
I'm just not sure - 1
Nothing that I remember - 1
I simply don't know - 1
I would have no idea - 1
I don't know anything about that - 1
I don't have any direct knowledge of that - 1
I just don't know - 1
I really don't know - 1
I can't deny that, I just -- I have no memory of that at all - 1
THE CLINTON LEGACY:
LONELY HONOR
Here are some of the all too rare public officials, reporters, and others
who spoke truth to the dismally corrupt power of Bill and Hill Clinton's
political machine -- some at risk to their careers, others at risk to their
lives. A few points to note:
- Those corporatist media reporters who attempted to report the story often
found themselves muzzled; some even lost their jobs. The only major dailies
that consistently handled the story well were the Wall Street Journal and
the Washington Times.
- Nobody on this list has gotten rich and many you may not have even heard
of. Taking on the Clintons typically has not been a happy or rewarding
experience. At least ten reporters have been fired, transferred off their
beats, resigned, or otherwise gotten into trouble because of their work on
the scandals. Whistleblowing is even less appreciated within the government.
One study of whistleblowers found that 232 out of 233 them reported
suffering retaliation; another study found reprisals in about 95% of cases.
- Contrary to the popular impression, the politics of those listed ranges
from the left to the right, and from the ideological to the independent.
PUBLIC OFFICIALS
MIGUEL RODRIGUEZ was a prosecutor on the staff of Kenneth Starr. His
attempts to uncover the truth in the Vincent Foster death case were
repeatedly foiled and he was the subject of planted stories undermining his
credibility and implying that he was unstable. Rodriguez eventually
resigned.
JEAN DUFFEY: Head of a joint federal-county drug task force in Arkansas. Her
first instructions from her boss: "Jean, you are not to use the drug task
force to investigate any public official." Duffey's work, however, led deep
into the heart of the Dixie Mafia, including members of the Clinton machine
and the investigation of the so-called "train deaths." Ambrose
Evans-Pritchard reports that when she produced a star witness who could
testify to Clinton's involvement with cocaine, the local prosecuting
attorney, Dan Harmon issued a subpoena for all the task force records,
including "the incriminating files on his own activities. If Duffey had
complied it would have exposed 30 witnesses and her confidential informants
to violent retributions. She refused." Harmon issued a warrant for her
arrest and friendly cops told her that there was a $50,000 price on her
head. She eventually fled to Texas. The once-untouchable Harmon was later
convicted of racketeering, extortion and drug dealing.
BILL DUNCAN: An IRS investigator in Arkansas who drafted some 30 federal
indictments of Arkansas figures on money laundering and other charges.
Clinton biographer Roger Morris quotes a source who reviewed the evidence:
"Those indictments were a real slam dunk if there ever was one." The cases
were suppressed, many in the name of "national security." Duncan was never
called to testify. Other IRS agents and state police disavowed Duncan and
turned on him. Said one source, "Somebody outside ordered it shut down and
the walls went up."
RUSSELL WELCH: An Arkansas state police detective working with Duncan. Welch
developed a 35-volume, 3,000 page archive on drug and money laundering
operations at Mena. His investigation was so compromised that a high state
police official even let one of the targets of the probe look through the
file. At one point, Welch was sprayed in the face with poison, later
identified by the Center for Disease Control as anthrax. He would write in
his diary, "I feel like I live in Russia, waiting for the secret police to
pounce down. A government has gotten out of control. Men find themselves in
positions of power and suddenly crimes become legal." Welch is no longer
with the state police.
DAN SMALTZ: Smaltz did an outstanding job investigating and prosecuting
charges involving illegal payoffs to Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy, yet
was treated with disparaging and highly inaccurate reporting by the likes of
the David Broder and the NY Times. Espy was acquitted under a law that made
it necessary to not only prove that he accepted gratuities but that he did
something specific in return. On the other hand, Tyson Foods copped a plea
in the same case, paying $6 million in fines and serving four years'
probation. The charge: that Tyson had illegally offered Espy $12,000 in
airplane rides, football tickets and other payoffs. In the Espy
investigation, Smaltz obtained 15 convictions and collected over $11 million
in fines and civil penalties. Offenses for which convictions were obtained
included false statements, concealing money from prohibited sources, illegal
gratuities, illegal contributions, falsifying records, interstate
transportation of stolen property, money laundering, and illegal receipt of
USDA subsidies. Incidentally, Janet Reno blocked Smaltz from pursuing leads
aimed at allegations of major drug trafficking in Arkansas and payoffs to
the then governor of the state, WJ Clinton. Espy had become Ag secretary
only after being flown to Arkansas to get the approval of chicken king Don
Tyson.
DAVID SCHIPPERS was House impeachment counsel and a Chicago Democrat. He did
a highly creditable job but since he didn't fit the right-wing conspiracy
theory, the Clintonista media downplayed his work. Thus most Americans don't
know that he told NewsMax, "Let me tell you, if we had a chance to put on a
case, I would have put live witnesses before the committee. But the House
leadership, and I'm not talking about Henry Hyde, they just killed us as far
as time was concerned. I begged them to let me take it into this year. Then
I screamed for witnesses before the Senate. But there was nothing anybody
could do to get those Senators to show any courage. They told us
essentially, you're not going to get 67 votes so why are you wasting our
time." Schippers also said that while a number of representatives looked at
additional evidence kept under seal in a nearby House building, not a single
senator did.
JOHN CLARKE: When Patrick Knowlton stopped to relieve himself in Ft. Marcy
Park 70 minutes before the discovery of Vince Foster's body, he saw things
that got him into deep trouble. His interview statements were falsified and
prior to testifying he claims he was overtly harassed by more than a score
of men in a classic witness intimidation technique. In some cases there were
witnesses. John Clarke has been his dogged lawyer in the witness
intimidation case that has been largely ignored by the media, even when the
three-judge panel overseeing the Starr investigation permitted Knowlton to
append a 20 page addendum to the Starr Report.
OTHER
THE ARKANSAS COMMITTEE: What would later be known as the Vast Right Wing
Conspiracy actually began on the left - as a group of progressive students
at the University of Arkansas had formed the Arkansas Committee to look into
Mena, drugs, money laundering, and Arkansas politics. This committee was the
source of some of the important early Clinton stories including those
published in the Progressive Review.
CLINTON ADMINISTRATION SCANDALS E-LIST: Moderated by Ray Heizer, this list
has been subject to all the idiosyncrasies of Internet bulletin boards, but
it has nonetheless proved invaluable to researchers and journalists.
JOURNALISTS
JERRY SEPER of the Washington Times was far and away the best beat reporter
of the story, handling it week after week in the best tradition of
investigative journalism. If other reporters had followed Seper's lead, the
history of the Clintons' machine might have been quite different.
AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD of the London Telegraph did a remarkable job of
digging into some of the seamiest tales from Arkansas and the Clinton past.
Other early arrivals on the scene were Alexander Cockburn and Jeff Gerth.
CHRISTOPHER RUDDY, among other fine reports on the Clinton scandals, did the
best job laying out the facts in the Vince Foster death case.
ROGER MORRIS AND SALLY DENTON wrote a major expose of events at Mena, but at
the last moment the Washington Post's brass ordered the story killed. It was
published by Penthouse and later included in Morris' "Partners in Power,"
the best biography of the Clintons.
OTHERS who helped get parts of the story out included reporters Philip
Weiss, Carl Limbacher, Wes Phelan, David Bresnahan, William Sammon, Liza
Myers, Mara Leveritt, Matt Drudge, Jim Ridgeway, Nat Hentoff, Michael
Isikoff, Christopher Hitchens, and Michael Kelly. Also independent
investigator Hugh Sprunt and former White House FBI agent Gary Aldrich.
SAM SMITH of the Progressive Review wrote the first book (Shadows of Hope,
University of Indiana Press, 1994) deconstructing the Clinton myth and the
Review developed a major database on the topic.
The Clintons, to adapt a line from Dr. Johnson, were not only corrupt, they
were the cause of corruption in others. Seldom in America have so many come
to excuse so much mendacity and malfeasance as during the Clinton years.
These rare exceptions cited above, and others unmentioned, deserve our deep
thanks.
THE CLINTON LEGACY
The Hidden Election
USA Today calls it "the hidden election," in which nearly 7,000 state
legislative seats are decided with only minimal media and public attention.
The paper took brief notice because this is the year the state legislatures
perform their most important national function: drawing revised
congressional districts based on the most recent census.
But there's another important national story here: further evidence of the
disaster that Bill Clinton has been for the Democratic Party. According to
the National Conference of State Legislatures, Democrats held a 1,542 seat
lead in the state bodies in 1990. As of last November that lead had shrunk
to 288. That's a loss of over 1,200 state legislative seats, nearly all of
them under Clinton. Across the US, the Democrats control only 65 more state
senate seats than the Republicans.
Further, in 1992, the Democrats controlled 17 more state legislatures than
the Republicans. After November, the Republicans control one more than the
Democrats. Not only is this a loss of 9 legislatures under Clinton, but it
is the first time since 1954 that the GOP has controlled more state
legislatures than the Democrats (they tied in 1968).
Here's what happened to the Democrats under Clinton, based on our latest
figures:
- GOP seats gained in House since Clinton became president: 48
- GOP seats gained in Senate since Clinton became president: 8
- GOP governorships gained since Clinton became president: 11
- GOP state legislative seats gained since Clinton became president: 1,254
as of 1998
- State legislatures taken over by GOP since Clinton became president: 9
- Democrat officeholders who have become Republicans since Clinton became
president: 439 as of 1998
- Republican officeholders who have become Democrats since Clinton became
president: 3
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You're making a classic mistake -- thinking of terms of left and
right. What is happening on the ground today can only be described as
right -vs- wrong. This government no longer has separation of powers.
They are essentially a single party parading as a two-party system.
Massive corrupt. Massively ruthless.
This government has committed ..... and is commiting..... massive
crimes and war crimes. They have engaged in an illegal nuclear black
market, drug smuggling and massive theft of public funds.
Notice that you don't hear anything in the corporate-owned media about
the 2.3 trillion missing from the pentagon's books? Notice how you
don't hear anything in the corporate-owned media about the 360 tons of
cash flown to Iraq - and then a substancial percentage went "missing"?
Notice how you don't hear anything in the corporate-owned media about
the uber-massive waste, fraud and abuse occuring in Iraq and
Afghanistan? Notice how you don't hear anything in the
corporate-owned media about Bush's crimes and warcrimes?
We have met the enemy -- and they are running Washington. A feat only
possible with the assistance of their buddies in the bought-n-paid-for
media.
Steve
<ROTFLMAO> Actually, the government isn't even the enemy of loons
like yourself. If anyone wants to see any evidence that our public
schools are failing us, they only have to read stuff from morons like
you. Now back into your hole with you...
optix
<steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>
><ROTFLMAO> Actually, the government isn't even the enemy of loons
>like yourself. If anyone wants to see any evidence that our public
>schools are failing us, they only have to read stuff from morons like
>you. Now back into your hole with you...
>
Sigh. Yet another mindless flag waver. In 1930's Germany, you would
have been called a "good German".
As far as the intent and actions of Uncle Sam, why don't you ask the
relatives of a million dead Iraqis? Or the families of those murdered
by US sponsored death squads in El Salvador, Chile, Argentina,
Guatemala, Vietnam or a hundred other places?
Why not ask the inner city victims how they feel about the
government's domestic drug running programs? Why not ask the
surviving family members of the men, women and children murdered at
Waco and Ruby Ridge?
Why don't you do us all a favor and quit drooling on usenet? Sheesh.
Steve
>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:32:09 -0400, Steve
><steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>><ROTFLMAO> Actually, the government isn't even the enemy of loons
>>like yourself. If anyone wants to see any evidence that our public
>>schools are failing us, they only have to read stuff from morons like
>>you. Now back into your hole with you...
>>
>
>
>
>Sigh. Yet another mindless flag waver. In 1930's Germany, you would
>have been called a "good German".
Well, heh heh, at least in your previously proven, ill-informed, and
highly unrealistic imagination.
>As far as the intent and actions of Uncle Sam, why don't you ask the
>relatives of a million dead Iraqis? Or the families of those murdered
>by US sponsored death squads in El Salvador, Chile, Argentina,
>Guatemala, Vietnam or a hundred other places?
>
>Why not ask the inner city victims how they feel about the
>government's domestic drug running programs? Why not ask the
>surviving family members of the men, women and children murdered at
>Waco and Ruby Ridge?
>
>Why don't you do us all a favor and quit drooling on usenet? Sheesh.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly has prompted you to believe that
anybody else might be interested in seeing how your mind malfunctions?
Is it your goal to entertain people?
4120 Dead
>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:32:09 -0400, Steve
><steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>><ROTFLMAO> Actually, the government isn't even the enemy of loons
>>like yourself. If anyone wants to see any evidence that our public
>>schools are failing us, they only have to read stuff from morons like
>>you. Now back into your hole with you...
>>
>
>
>
>Sigh. Yet another mindless flag waver. In 1930's Germany, you would
>have been called a "good German".
>
>As far as the intent and actions of Uncle Sam, why don't you ask the
>relatives of a million dead Iraqis? Or the families of those murdered
>by US sponsored death squads in El Salvador, Chile, Argentina,
>Guatemala, Vietnam or a hundred other places?
>
>Why not ask the inner city victims how they feel about the
>government's domestic drug running programs? Why not ask the
>surviving family members of the men, women and children murdered at
>Waco and Ruby Ridge?
>
>Why don't you do us all a favor and quit drooling on usenet? Sheesh.
>
He has absolutely nothing else to do with his life.
optix
<steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Sigh. Yet another mindless flag waver. In 1930's Germany, you would
>>have been called a "good German".
>
>Well, heh heh, at least in your previously proven, ill-informed, and
>highly unrealistic imagination.
>
Imagination? Try slam-dunk facts.
Why don't you crack a book once in a while? It couldn't hurt. So
far, you've proven that you are not capable of weighing independent
facts.
>>As far as the intent and actions of Uncle Sam, why don't you ask the
>>relatives of a million dead Iraqis? Or the families of those murdered
>>by US sponsored death squads in El Salvador, Chile, Argentina,
>>Guatemala, Vietnam or a hundred other places?
>>
>>Why not ask the inner city victims how they feel about the
>>government's domestic drug running programs? Why not ask the
>>surviving family members of the men, women and children murdered at
>>Waco and Ruby Ridge?
>>
>>Why don't you do us all a favor and quit drooling on usenet? Sheesh.
>
>Just out of curiosity, what exactly has prompted you to believe that
>anybody else might be interested in seeing how your mind malfunctions?
>Is it your goal to entertain people?
I believe that you have cornered the market on entertainment. Anyone
that cheerleads for the status quo is to be pitied.
David Hartung
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:31:12 -0400, Steve
> <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>>> Sigh. Yet another mindless flag waver. In 1930's Germany, you would
>>> have been called a "good German".
>> Well, heh heh, at least in your previously proven, ill-informed, and
>> highly unrealistic imagination.
>>
>
>
>
> Imagination? Try slam-dunk facts.
>
> Why don't you crack a book once in a while? It couldn't hurt. So
> far, you've proven that you are not capable of weighing independent
> facts.
Thus far, in this thread you have demonstrated that you are the one who
doesn't think.
Kurt Lochner
>
> optix wrote:
> >
> >"senile, craven" <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> optix wrote:
- ---
> >>> Sigh. Yet another mindless flag waver. In 1930's Germany,
> >>> you would have been called a "good German".
> >>>
> >>> relatives of a million dead Iraqis? Or the families of those murdered
> >>> by US sponsored death squads in El Salvador, Chile, Argentina,
> >>> Guatemala, Vietnam or a hundred other places?
> >>>
> >>> Why not ask the inner city victims how they feel about the
> >>> government's domestic drug running programs? Why not ask the
> >>> surviving family members of the men, women and children murdered at
> >>> Waco and Ruby Ridge?
> >>>
> >>> Why don't you do us all a favor and quit drooling on usenet? Sheesh.
> >>
> >>highly unrealistic imagination.
> >
> > Imagination? Try slam-dunk facts.
> >
> > Why don't you crack a book once in a while? It couldn't hurt. So
> > far, you've proven that you are not capable of weighing independent
> > facts.
>
David, your partisan biases have blinded you to the objective facts..
--See subject header for details..
Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:26:02 -0500, optix <op...@refractor.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:32:09 -0400, Steve
>><steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>><ROTFLMAO> Actually, the government isn't even the enemy of loons
>>>like yourself. If anyone wants to see any evidence that our public
>>>schools are failing us, they only have to read stuff from morons like
>>>you. Now back into your hole with you...
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Sigh. Yet another mindless flag waver. In 1930's Germany, you would
>>have been called a "good German".
>>
>>As far as the intent and actions of Uncle Sam, why don't you ask the
>>relatives of a million dead Iraqis? Or the families of those murdered
>>by US sponsored death squads in El Salvador, Chile, Argentina,
>>Guatemala, Vietnam or a hundred other places?
>>
>>Why not ask the inner city victims how they feel about the
>>government's domestic drug running programs? Why not ask the
>>surviving family members of the men, women and children murdered at
>>Waco and Ruby Ridge?
>>
>>Why don't you do us all a favor and quit drooling on usenet? Sheesh.
>>
>He has absolutely nothing else to do with his life.
That's from fatty Zepp Jamieson who struggles to supplement his
pathetic income by trying to get fellow leftist losers to buy his
silly rhetoric....
Steve
>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:31:12 -0400, Steve
><steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Sigh. Yet another mindless flag waver. In 1930's Germany, you would
>>>have been called a "good German".
>>
>>Well, heh heh, at least in your previously proven, ill-informed, and
>>highly unrealistic imagination.
>>
>
>
>
>Imagination? Try slam-dunk facts.
>
>Why don't you crack a book once in a while? It couldn't hurt. So
>far, you've proven that you are not capable of weighing independent
>facts.
the only fact you've demonstrated here is that eventually your momma
is going to kick you out and you're going to have to get a job. It's
not as though your status as a complete loser isn't obvious... People
with a strong and healthy lifestyle and a hopeful future don't have
your sour attitude and bitter outlook.
>>>As far as the intent and actions of Uncle Sam, why don't you ask the
>>>relatives of a million dead Iraqis? Or the families of those murdered
>>>by US sponsored death squads in El Salvador, Chile, Argentina,
>>>Guatemala, Vietnam or a hundred other places?
>>>
>>>Why not ask the inner city victims how they feel about the
>>>government's domestic drug running programs? Why not ask the
>>>surviving family members of the men, women and children murdered at
>>>Waco and Ruby Ridge?
>>>
>>>Why don't you do us all a favor and quit drooling on usenet? Sheesh.
>>
>>Just out of curiosity, what exactly has prompted you to believe that
>>anybody else might be interested in seeing how your mind malfunctions?
>>Is it your goal to entertain people?
>
>
>
>I believe that you have cornered the market on entertainment. Anyone
>that cheerleads for the status quo is to be pitied.
<LOL> I'll bet that you have similar fantasies while you flip burgers,
empty garbage cabs, or whatever menial job you have.... if indeed you
have any job...
znuybv
> "Steve" <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message
There are times when a personal slam is constructive.
Steve
wrote:
How true... and addressing kool aid drinking leftist fools like Ricky
Gandalf Hanson or Cunningham is a waste of time anyway. Their minds
are still on the level of four year olds.... hoping that the mommy
government will jump in and take care of them.
Gandalf Grey
And if it weren't for personal slams you'd never post at all, "Steve."
Scott Erb
>
> ><ROTFLMAO> Actually, the government isn't even the enemy of loons
> >like yourself. If anyone wants to see any evidence that our public
> >schools are failing us, they only have to read stuff from morons like
> >you. Now back into your hole with you...
>
> Sigh. Yet another mindless flag waver. In 1930's Germany, you would
> have been called a "good German".
>
> As far as the intent and actions of Uncle Sam, why don't you ask the
> relatives of a million dead Iraqis? Or the families of those murdered
> by US sponsored death squads in El Salvador, Chile, Argentina,
> Guatemala, Vietnam or a hundred other places?
Most Americans do not realize the level of death and destruction
caused by our foreign policies since the end of WWII. When I teach
American Foreign Policy and they read the facts, even from rather
conservative text books, students often become quite distressed and
angry about the acts done in our name. Moreover, the current
generation seems to be becoming more effectively active (organizing,
not just protesting) and much better informed than in the past, where
people were learned to simply consider citizenship and patriotism
together. I suspect "Steve" is part of that older generation, he has
lost the capacity to think critically and is, well, beyond hope. But
he's probably past making much of a difference anyway.
> Why not ask the inner city victims how they feel about the
> government's domestic drug running programs? Why not ask the
> surviving family members of the men, women and children murdered at
> Waco and Ruby Ridge?
> Why don't you do us all a favor and quit drooling on usenet? Sheesh.
I'd also note that in general we in the West have a violent history,
and this has been especially the case with the rise of the modern
nation state with a monopoly and a vast amount of power:
http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/the-violent-west/
And as people talk about Iran, they forget that in Iran we helped
overthrow a democracy to install a brutal dictator, whose legitimacy
shriveled to nothing by 1979:
http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/iran-learning-from-history/
Scott Erb
Calling people "fatty." I guess you've regressed to the fifth grade
now, Steve? Sheesh is right!
Scott Erb
> "Steve" <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:18:46 -0700 (PDT), znuybv <thowil...@gmail.com>
Hey Gandalf, how goes things!
Yeah, "Steve" seems angry and bitter, but unwilling to actually make a
point. I think he's doing this as a form of therapy.
David Hartung
> On Jul 19, 9:26 am, optix <op...@refractor.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:32:09 -0400, Steve
>>
>> <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <ROTFLMAO> Actually, the government isn't even the enemy of loons
>>> like yourself. If anyone wants to see any evidence that our public
>>> schools are failing us, they only have to read stuff from morons like
>>> you. Now back into your hole with you...
>> Sigh. Yet another mindless flag waver. In 1930's Germany, you would
>> have been called a "good German".
>>
>> As far as the intent and actions of Uncle Sam, why don't you ask the
>> relatives of a million dead Iraqis? Or the families of those murdered
>> by US sponsored death squads in El Salvador, Chile, Argentina,
>> Guatemala, Vietnam or a hundred other places?
>
> Most Americans do not realize the level of death and destruction
> caused by our foreign policies since the end of WWII. When I teach
> American Foreign Policy and they read the facts, even from rather
> conservative text books, students often become quite distressed and
> angry about the acts done in our name.
Do you also teach about the death and destructions caused by our
enemies, or do you conveniently ignore that?
Jeffrey Turner
> Some good news: Defense Secretary Robert Gates has warned of "creeping
> militarization" of American foreign policy: http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=253931
Creeping? More like galloping. It's been rampant militarism since the
conquest of Hawaii, at least. Nah, before that were the Indian wars and
war with Mexico. When wasn't U.S. foreign policy primarily military?
> It is time for the US political leaders to stop abusing the military
> and military personnel. The creeping militarization is due to an
> essentially misguided foreign policy: http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/creeping-militarization/
What, and not have direct control over all that oil?
--Jeff
--
The struggle with evil by means of violence
is the same as an attempt to stop a cloud,
in order that there may be no rain. -Leo Tolstoy
Steve
Why would I bother to carry on a conversation with you losers? It's
not as if you have the ability to learn, and you certainly don't have
anything worthwhile to say..
>Hey Gandalf, how goes things!
He's even fatter than he was last year... the low carb diet failed
both Hanson and Jamieson.
>Yeah, "Steve" seems angry and bitter, but unwilling to actually make a
>point. I think he's doing this as a form of therapy.
I'm not the slightest bit angry.. I think Erb is projecting..
Steve
<LOL> Zepp likes being called "fatty." I think that's what PJ used
to call him...
Kurt Lochner
>
>"senile, craven <steven...@tampabay.rr.com> whined:
> >
> > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:07:24 -0700, 4120 Dead wrote:
> > >
> > >On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:26:02 -0500, optix wrote:
> >
> > >>"senile, craven <steven...@tampabay.rr.com> whimpered:
- - ---
> > >>><ROTFLMAO> Actually, the government isn't even the enemy of loons
> > >>>like yourself. If anyone wants to see any evidence that our public
> > >>>schools are failing us, they only have to read stuff from morons like
> > >>>you. Now back into your hole with you...
> > >>
> > >> Sigh. Yet another mindless flag waver. In 1930's Germany, you would
> > >> have been called a "good German".
> > >>
> > >> As far as the intent and actions of Uncle Sam, why don't you ask the
> > >> relatives of a million dead Iraqis? Or the families of those murdered
> > >> by US sponsored death squads in El Salvador, Chile, Argentina,
> > >> Guatemala, Vietnam or a hundred other places?
> > >>
> > >> Why not ask the inner city victims how they feel about the
> > >> government's domestic drug running programs? Why not ask the
> > >> surviving family members of the men, women and children murdered at
> > >> Waco and Ruby Ridge?
> > >>
> > >> Why don't you do us all a favor and quit drooling on usenet? Sheesh.
> > >
> > > He has absolutely nothing else to do with his life.
> >
> >That's from fatty Zepp Jamieson
>
> Calling people "fatty." I guess you've regressed to the fifth grade
> now, Steve? Sheesh is right!
And rather too generous, in my opinion..
--Ike was right about the "military-industrial-congressional" triad..
4120 Dead
I don't think it's working...
4120 Dead
Ah. So that makes it ok?
You really should read up on the history of the middle east, beginning
with the fall of the Ottomans. Britain and American have much to
answer for, and did much to create these enemies you babble about so
much.
Foxtrot
>David Hartung <d_ha...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>Scott Erb wrote:
>>> Most Americans do not realize the level of death and destruction
>>> caused by our foreign policies since the end of WWII. When I teach
>>> American Foreign Policy and they read the facts,
Examples please.
I'm guessing that the "facts" are biased and done with intent to
breed hatred for America. They probably use baited words like
imperialism and colonization.
>>>even from rather
>>> conservative text books, students often become quite distressed and
>>> angry about the acts done in our name.
I hope you teach them that the primary monster behind the war in
Vietnam was Democrat LBJ. And that he was a despicable coward
for grossly escalating our presence there then he didn't have the
balls to run for reelection to face what he had done. He deserted the
men he sent to die. He was the same horrible piece of shit who made
millions of Americans dependent on handouts with his "Great Society"
disaster.
>>Do you also teach about the death and destructions caused by our
>>enemies, or do you conveniently ignore that?
>
>Ah. So that makes it ok?
C-O-N-T-E-X-T
Get a dictionary. Look it up. Try to understand that our foreign policy
didn't grow in a vacuum.
>You really should read up on the history of the middle east, beginning
>with the fall of the Ottomans. Britain and American have much to
>answer for, and did much to create these enemies you babble about so
>much.
So we should have a "who cares" foreign policy like how Jimmy
did nothing while 1+ million people were murdered by Pol Pot?
Steve
I did incite Jamieson to make a lame threat to sue me, which was
satisfying but certainly not therapeutic.
Steve
>4120 Dead <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
>>David Hartung <d_ha...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>Scott Erb wrote:
>>>> Most Americans do not realize the level of death and destruction
>>>> caused by our foreign policies since the end of WWII. When I teach
>>>> American Foreign Policy and they read the facts,
>
>Examples please.
>
>I'm guessing that the "facts" are biased and done with intent to
>breed hatred for America. They probably use baited words like
>imperialism and colonization.
Relax, Erb teaches political science... Hardly anyone pays much
attention in political science classes anyway and if they do, they
forget it immediately. It's only a easy credit.....
Kurt Lochner
>
> 4120 Dead replied to:
> >
> > Scott Erb wrote:
> > >
> > > Gandalf Grey wrote:
> > > >
> > > >"senile, craven" <steven...@tampabay.rr.com> writhed in denials:
- - - - -
> > > > >How true...
> > > >
> > > > And if it weren't for personal slams you'd never post at all, "Steve."
> > >
> > > Hey Gandalf, how goes things!
> > >
> > > Yeah, "Steve" seems angry and bitter, but unwilling to actually make a
> > > point. I think he's doing this as a form of therapy.
> >
> > I don't think it's working...
>
*>LOL!<* So now you're actually admitting that you're just a troll..
--That's a good 'first step' "Steve".. Got any "magnetic capacitors"?
SixthtySixthSix
"Jeffrey Turner" <jtu...@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:uKidnTJAYdy9LR_V...@posted.localnet...
> Scott Erb wrote:
>
>> Some good news: Defense Secretary Robert Gates has warned of "creeping
>> militarization" of American foreign policy:
>> http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=253931
>
> Creeping? More like galloping. It's been rampant militarism since the
> conquest of Hawaii, at least. Nah, before that were the Indian wars and
> war with Mexico. When wasn't U.S. foreign policy primarily military?
>
>> It is time for the US political leaders to stop abusing the military
>> and military personnel. The creeping militarization is due to an
>> essentially misguided foreign policy:
>> http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/creeping-militarization/
>
> What, and not have direct control over all that oil?
This is the most terrifying aspect of the entire Iraqi occupation. Having
to suggest to myself that we are there for the oil makes me question how
close the world is to running out of oil. Our government cannot be trusted
as having told us the truth about how much oil remains- mass anarchy would
result, and the government wouldn't be more privileged than those it serves.
Perhaps we are only 20 or 10 short years away from 0-oil day... are they
tapping our home oil reserves now?
Gandalf Grey
"Scott Erb" <scot...@maine.edu> wrote in message
news:0a055d2c-84a4-47db...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Dr. Erb! I'm doing very well. And you? It's truly good to see you posting
again. Whenever Kurt Lochner and you go on hiatus the IQ level drops at
least a 100 points.
>
> Yeah, "Steve" seems angry and bitter, but unwilling to actually make a
> point. I think he's doing this as a form of therapy.
I fear you're correct. Another classic example of the dangers of
self-treatment.
Gandalf Grey
Loser world must be enormous for you, "Steve," since you don't have
"conversations" with anyone.
>>Yeah, "Steve" seems angry and bitter, but unwilling to actually make a
>>point. I think he's doing this as a form of therapy.
>
> I'm not the slightest bit angry.. I think Erb is projecting..
I think "Steve" doth protest too much.
Gandalf Grey
"Steve" tells us what he's really doing here. A momentary slip into actual
honesty for Steve the Troll.
> but certainly not therapeutic.
"Steve" has reached what we call the psychological PNR. He's too old for
therapy to do him any good because he doesn't have enough years left and
he's too psychotic to leave on the streets. Increasing the dosage on the
Haldol and giving him a softer mattress is probably the best we can do.
Gandalf Grey
"Kurt Lochner" <kurt_l...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:48834ECF...@DONOTSPAMhotmail.com...
Yes. Wasn't that refreshing coming from "Steve," of all people?
Jeffrey Turner
> %%%% You can't mention creeping militarization without bring up Obama's
> statement that he will create a "Civilian National Security Force".
> This "Civilian Defense Force" will be equipped just as well as the
> military, that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded
You concerned because all those jobs should be going to Blackwater?
David Moffitt
| David Moffitt wrote:
|
| > %%%% You can't mention creeping militarization without bring up Obama's
| > statement that he will create a "Civilian National Security Force".
| > This "Civilian Defense Force" will be equipped just as well as the
| > military, that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded
|
| You concerned because all those jobs should be going to Blackwater?
|
| --Jeff
%%%%% Why did you snip the part about all middle and highschool students
having to serve? Are you afraid of what his Civilian Security Force and
mandatory youth service wiull remind people of? The only thing missing is
social darwinism and lebensborn?
"Unarmed people make good corpses." Pol Pot
David Moffitt
%%%% Why does America's foreign policy to zippy, shouldn't he be worried
about Canada's since he is not an American?
Democrats to vote against a nonbinding resolution to hold firm on Iraq and
the war on terrorism. They don't give a shit how many folks get killed, as
long as it isn't themselves or any of their own. ---- Harry Hope in
alt.fan.rush-Limbaugh June 15, 2006
Steve
Well, you see, he's not a Canadian citizen either.. The USA is the
closest thing he'll ever have to a country and even here he's nothing
more than an unwelcome visitor.
4120 Dead
<dmof...@stomping-leftist-twits.org> wrote:
>
>%%%% Why does America's foreign policy to zippy, shouldn't he be worried
>about Canada's since he is not an American?
Muffy, are you telling us, um, that other countries shouldn't worry
about America's foreign policy?
Is that what you're telling us here, chuckles?
>
>Democrats to vote against a nonbinding resolution to hold firm on Iraq and
>the war on terrorism. They don't give a shit how many folks get killed, as
>long as it isn't themselves or any of their own. ---- Harry Hope in
>alt.fan.rush-Limbaugh June 15, 2006
>
>
>
>
>
>
4120 Dead
<dmof...@stomping-leftist-twits.org> wrote:
>
>"Jeffrey Turner" <jtu...@localnet.com> wrote in message
>news:8uKdnXjGWPY6GB7V...@posted.localnet...
>| David Moffitt wrote:
>|
>| > %%%% You can't mention creeping militarization without bring up Obama's
>| > statement that he will create a "Civilian National Security Force".
>| > This "Civilian Defense Force" will be equipped just as well as the
>| > military, that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded
>|
>| You concerned because all those jobs should be going to Blackwater?
>|
>| --Jeff
>
>%%%%% Why did you snip the part about all middle and highschool students
>having to serve? Are you afraid of what his Civilian Security Force and
>mandatory youth service wiull remind people of? The only thing missing is
>social darwinism and lebensborn?
So where you getting your info, Muppy? Rense? Infowars? Newsmax?
>
>
>"Unarmed people make good corpses." Pol Pot
>
>
>|
>| --
>| The struggle with evil by means of violence
>| is the same as an attempt to stop a cloud,
>| in order that there may be no rain. -Leo Tolstoy
>
Gandalf Grey
"4120 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
news:d9b7841met67j9dhu...@4ax.com...
Muffy, as usual, isn't telling us anything. Muffy isn't here to make a
political argument or statement because Muffy has neither. He's here much
like "Steve" is here, to make personal attacks against other posters. It's
virtually all the right wing has remaining in it's bag of tricks. The
American people hate right wing poltics, they hate the right wing president
and they've come to outright hate right wingers. It's all over for these
guys and they know it.
Gandalf Grey
"David Hartung" <d_ha...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:g_mdnUC1yZ2cNx_V...@comcast.com...
What would you care? You've proven in the last two weeks that you don't
even understand subpoena power and contempt of congress. What could you
possible know about anything else?
Gandalf Grey
> On Jul 19, 4:54 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:07:24 -0700, 4120 Dead
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:26:02 -0500, optix <op...@refractor.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:32:09 -0400, Steve
>> >><stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>><ROTFLMAO> Actually, the government isn't even the enemy of loons
>> >>>like yourself. If anyone wants to see any evidence that our public
>> >>>schools are failing us, they only have to read stuff from morons like
>> >>>you. Now back into your hole with you...
>>
>> >>Sigh. Yet another mindless flag waver. In 1930's Germany, you would
>> >>have been called a "good German".
>>
>> >>As far as the intent and actions of Uncle Sam, why don't you ask the
>> >>relatives of a million dead Iraqis? Or the families of those murdered
>> >>by US sponsored death squads in El Salvador, Chile, Argentina,
>> >>Guatemala, Vietnam or a hundred other places?
>>
>> >>government's domestic drug running programs? Why not ask the
>> >>surviving family members of the men, women and children murdered at
>> >>Waco and Ruby Ridge?
>>
>> >>Why don't you do us all a favor and quit drooling on usenet? Sheesh.
>>
>> >He has absolutely nothing else to do with his life.
>>
>> That's from fatty Zepp Jamieson
>
> Calling people "fatty." I guess you've regressed to the fifth grade
> now, Steve? Sheesh is right!
Even in the relatively short time you've been away, I think you'll find
there's been an alarming degeneration on the part of what I idealistically
refer to as the average right wing intellect on the groups.
David Moffitt
"Gandalf Grey" <vali...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4883b602$0$28100$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com...
%%%% No I asked a question jeffy.
He's here much
| like "Steve" is here, to make personal attacks against other posters.
%%%% What personal attack was that, pointing out that zippy is an alien
Canadian?
It's
| virtually all the right wing has remaining in it's bag of tricks. The
| American people hate right wing poltics, they hate the right wing
president
| and they've come to outright hate right wingers. It's all over for these
| guys and they know it.
%%%% There you go trying to project the liberal phylosophy on everyone.
"The first most important thing you can ever learn about socialists who call
themselves "liberals" is that everything they do is motivated by a self-
hatred so profound that it approaches psychosis. The second most important
thing is that everything they accuse others of -- racism, sexism, elitism,
hundreds of other "isms" -- they are, first and foremost, massively guilty
of themselves." -- L. Neil Smith, "The Serbian Mirror"
|
|
David Moffitt
%%%% No Scooter I'm asking why ~you~ a Canadian is so concerned. Why aren't
you worried about Canada's policy?
"My sense of purpose is gone! I have no idea who I AM!"
"Oh, my God... You've.. You've turned him into a DEMOCRAT!" -- Doonesbury
David Moffitt
| On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:57:43 -0500, "David Moffitt"
| <dmof...@stomping-leftist-twits.org> wrote:
|
| >
| >"Jeffrey Turner" <jtu...@localnet.com> wrote in message
| >news:8uKdnXjGWPY6GB7V...@posted.localnet...
| >| David Moffitt wrote:
| >|
| >| > %%%% You can't mention creeping militarization without bring up
Obama's
| >| > statement that he will create a "Civilian National Security Force".
| >| > This "Civilian Defense Force" will be equipped just as well as the
| >| > military, that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as
well-funded
| >|
| >| You concerned because all those jobs should be going to Blackwater?
| >|
| >| --Jeff
| >
| >%%%%% Why did you snip the part about all middle and highschool students
| >having to serve? Are you afraid of what his Civilian Security Force and
| >mandatory youth service wiull remind people of? The only thing missing is
| >social darwinism and lebensborn?
|
| So where you getting your info, Muppy? Rense? Infowars? Newsmax?
%%%% Obama's own speech July 02, 2008 alien.
"The first most important thing you can ever learn about socialists who call
themselves "liberals" is that everything they do is motivated by a self-
hatred so profound that it approaches psychosis. The second most important
thing is that everything they accuse others of -- racism, sexism, elitism,
hundreds of other "isms" -- they are, first and foremost, massively guilty
of themselves." -- L. Neil Smith, "The Serbian Mirror"
| >
| >
Jeffrey Turner
> "Jeffrey Turner" <jtu...@localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:8uKdnXjGWPY6GB7V...@posted.localnet...
> | David Moffitt wrote:
> |
> | > %%%% You can't mention creeping militarization without bring up Obama's
> | > statement that he will create a "Civilian National Security Force".
> | > This "Civilian Defense Force" will be equipped just as well as the
> | > military, that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded
> |
> | You concerned because all those jobs should be going to Blackwater?
> |
> | --Jeff
>
> %%%%% Why did you snip the part about all middle and highschool students
> having to serve?
Community service? Shocking. Why, if they all went into an old folks'
home at once it might start a riot.
> Are you afraid of what his Civilian Security Force and
> mandatory youth service wiull remind people of? The only thing missing is
> social darwinism and lebensborn?
We've already got the Boy Scouts and Jr. ROTC, what's another
organization gonna hurt?
> "Unarmed people make good corpses." Pol Pot
Do you admire Pol Pot or are you scared of him?
--Jeff
4120 Dead
<dmof...@stomping-leftist-twits.org> wrote:
>
>"4120 Dead" <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote in message
>news:3ob7845u70p2j7rvh...@4ax.com...
>| On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:57:43 -0500, "David Moffitt"
>| <dmof...@stomping-leftist-twits.org> wrote:
>|
>| >
>| >"Jeffrey Turner" <jtu...@localnet.com> wrote in message
>| >news:8uKdnXjGWPY6GB7V...@posted.localnet...
>| >| David Moffitt wrote:
>| >|
>| >| > %%%% You can't mention creeping militarization without bring up
>Obama's
>| >| > statement that he will create a "Civilian National Security Force".
>| >| > This "Civilian Defense Force" will be equipped just as well as the
>| >| > military, that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as
>well-funded
>| >|
>| >| You concerned because all those jobs should be going to Blackwater?
>| >|
>| >| --Jeff
>| >
>| >%%%%% Why did you snip the part about all middle and highschool students
>| >having to serve? Are you afraid of what his Civilian Security Force and
>| >mandatory youth service wiull remind people of? The only thing missing is
>| >social darwinism and lebensborn?
>|
>| So where you getting your info, Muppy? Rense? Infowars? Newsmax?
>
>%%%% Obama's own speech July 02, 2008 alien.
Yes. He wasn't to increase funding for Peace Corp, Americorps, VISTA,
and similar programs.
Must be a commie because he want's to spend money on someone other
than your rich masters.
Poor Muppy.
4120 Dead
The ones that had any brains abandoned the groups some time ago, as
the utter failure of the Putsch administration became more and more
difficult to defend.
We're left with the trolls, the nut cases, and the neo-nazis these
days.
David Moffitt
| David Moffitt wrote:
|
| > "Jeffrey Turner" <jtu...@localnet.com> wrote in message
| > news:8uKdnXjGWPY6GB7V...@posted.localnet...
| > | David Moffitt wrote:
| > |
| > | > %%%% You can't mention creeping militarization without bring up
Obama's
| > | > statement that he will create a "Civilian National Security Force".
| > | > This "Civilian Defense Force" will be equipped just as well as the
| > | > military, that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as
well-funded
| > |
| > | You concerned because all those jobs should be going to Blackwater?
| > |
| > | --Jeff
| >
| > %%%%% Why did you snip the part about all middle and highschool students
| > having to serve?
|
| Community service? Shocking. Why, if they all went into an old folks'
| home at once it might start a riot.
|
| > Are you afraid of what his Civilian Security Force and
| > mandatory youth service wiull remind people of? The only thing missing
is
| > social darwinism and lebensborn?
|
| We've already got the Boy Scouts and Jr. ROTC, what's another
| organization gonna hurt?
|
| > "Unarmed people make good corpses." Pol Pot
|
| Do you admire Pol Pot or are you scared of him?
%%%% I never admire or fear any leftist hero.
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the
name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program
until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it
happened." -- Norman Thomas, American socialist
4120 Dead
Yeah, I realized when I noticed that the right was pretty much reduced
to the likes of Steve and Muppet that we had won here. I look at them
and wonder if Chris Morton had children, and if any of them lived.
Gandalf Grey
Not much to say about that other than "yeah." The right is essentially dead
on the news groups. All that's left is deaf mutes with grafitti like Muffy
and "Steve."
Gandalf Grey
Don't forget the KKKluxers.
Gandalf Grey
"David Moffitt" <dmof...@stomping-leftist-twits.org> wrote in message
news:dZedncvYMK4fSB7V...@earthlink.com...
Gee. I never knew Gerald Ford was a leftist hero.
U.S. support of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge is thoroughly documented in an
article in CAQ magazine (formerly Covert Action Quarterly) by Australian
journalist John Pilger, "The Long Secret Alliance: Uncle Sam and Pol Pot."*
Some quotations from that article:
"The US not only helped to create conditions that brought Cambodia's Khmer
Rouge to power in 1975, but actively supported the genocidal force,
politically and financially.
4120 Dead
<vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
I tend to lump them in with the neo-Nazis. I don't see any real point
on differentiating between them based on which group of people they
want to murder.
Steve
Zepp is pretty upset about being laughed at so much... that and the
fact that nobody is buying is bullshit.
Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:31:40 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
><vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Muffy, as usual, isn't telling us anything. Muffy isn't here to make a
>>political argument or statement because Muffy has neither. He's here much
>>like "Steve" is here, to make personal attacks against other posters. It's
>>virtually all the right wing has remaining in it's bag of tricks. The
>>American people hate right wing poltics, they hate the right wing president
>>and they've come to outright hate right wingers. It's all over for these
>>guys and they know it.
>
>Yeah, I realized when I noticed that the right was pretty much reduced
>to the likes of Steve and Muppet that we had won here. I look at them
>and wonder if Chris Morton had children, and if any of them lived.
<ROTFLMAO> Poor, obese leftist freaks, Hanson and Jamieson...
Neither one of them has never won anything except in their
fantasies....
Gandalf Grey
And as if to prove that Zepp is right, "Steve" shows up with another attempt
at a personal slam.
Gandalf Grey
True. I just don't like offending them by making a mistake on which group
of human beings they hate and want to murder.
Gandalf Grey
And as if to prove that what Zepp said is true, along comes "Steve" the
Troll with another pointless bit of sniping.
David Moffitt
%%%% Hummmmm----- " We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order
to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to
have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as
strong, just as well-funded."
The US military has about 2 million members in service and about 650,000
civilians employed by the Defense Department. Its proposed FY2009 budget is
about $585 billion.
So - if Obama means what he says - his "Civilian National Security Force"
would cost as much as $500 billion a year. With total federal income taxes
of $935 billion in 2005, ( last year listed) Obama's proposal would mean
using up to half of all federal income tax revenues just to fund his promise
"to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as
strong, just as well-funded" as the military.
|
| Must be a commie
%%%% No a socialist.
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the
name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program
until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it
happened." -- Norman Thomas, American socialist
because he want's to spend money on someone other
David Moffitt
Godwin's Law: prov.
“As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.” There is a tradition in many
groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned
the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress.
David Moffitt
%%%% What no cites to prove it happened? Anyone can make a claim but that
doesn't make it true. How about a credible cite that the US "actively
supported the genocidal force, politically and financially."
GILLETTE'S PRINCIPLE: "If you want to make people angry, lie. If you want to
make them absolutely livid with rage, tell the truth."
|
|
David Moffitt
%%%% Pointing out a true fact that zippy is fat is not a personal slam. Just
look in the bed beside you, he's fat. We've all the seen the pictures of
him. He has sagging tits like an old woman!
David Moffitt
%%%% Yep. They so quickness of respond to each other makes me suspect they
are in the same cheap motel room. We all know how "gay" Hanson is.
"Actually, what I have is more properly termed "Closet Gaydar" ---- Kyle
Daulton (Hanson) revealing his orientation on 11/17/2005
"My dick is bigger than yours. So are my tits." ---- Gandalf Grey (Hanson)
once more revealing his orientation on Friday, December 15, 2006
Gandalf Grey
And, once again, as if God were intent on proving the truth of Zepp's words,
the other major troll of the group, Muffy, shows up to indulge in the third
grade character assassination attempts that are all HE has to offer.
It is to laugh.
>
David Hartung
> The ones that had any brains abandoned the groups some time ago, as
> the utter failure of the Putsch administration became more and more
> difficult to defend.
Believe me, you are hardly in any position to be critical of another's
intellect.
Gandalf Grey
> and
> misusing Godwin's Law approaches one." There is a tradition in many
> groups that Muffy is an idiot.
Gandalf Grey
Are you saying it didn't happen, Muffy?
4120 Dead
<vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Steve" <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message
>news:o6m7845f6jhnl9emh...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:22:27 -0700, 4120 Dead
>> <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:31:40 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
>>><vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Muffy, as usual, isn't telling us anything. Muffy isn't here to make a
>>>>political argument or statement because Muffy has neither. He's here
>>>>much
>>>>like "Steve" is here, to make personal attacks against other posters.
>>>>It's
>>>>virtually all the right wing has remaining in it's bag of tricks. The
>>>>American people hate right wing poltics, they hate the right wing
>>>>president
>>>>and they've come to outright hate right wingers. It's all over for these
>>>>guys and they know it.
>>>
>>>Yeah, I realized when I noticed that the right was pretty much reduced
>>>to the likes of Steve and Muppet that we had won here. I look at them
>>>and wonder if Chris Morton had children, and if any of them lived.
>>
>> <ROTFLMAO> Poor, obese leftist freaks,
>
>And as if to prove that Zepp is right, "Steve" shows up with another attempt
>at a personal slam.
I see he's still just flopping around in the bottom of the boat.
Sure takes 'em a while to die, doesn't it?
4120 Dead
<vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes. There are niceties to be observed.
4120 Dead
Hearing you say that is like listening to a dog barking at opera
singers.
4120 Dead
<vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
They're just putting on a display of their intellectual prowess in
hopes of impressing Scott. They are certain that their insults would
impress any college professor.
4120 Dead
<vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
So Muffy decided he must fall into the neo-nazi category?
I always figured he was just a troll. Not a very good one, at that.
4120 Dead
<dmof...@stomping-leftist-twits.org> wrote:
And you've decided that the Peace Corps must be this agent of eeevil,
right?
>
>The US military has about 2 million members in service and about 650,000
>civilians employed by the Defense Department. Its proposed FY2009 budget is
>about $585 billion.
>So - if Obama means what he says - his "Civilian National Security Force"
>would cost as much as $500 billion a year. With total federal income taxes
>of $935 billion in 2005, ( last year listed) Obama's proposal would mean
>using up to half of all federal income tax revenues just to fund his promise
>"to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as
>strong, just as well-funded" as the military.
You mean, spending tax money on people, instead of making more craters
in Afghanistan? Oh, the horror! the horror!
4120 Dead
And if you want to make them laugh, squawk indignantly like Muppy and
stamp your little feet.
Gary DeWaay
jtu...@localnet.com Jeffrey Turner says...
> >
> > %%%%% Why did you snip the part about all middle and highschool students
> > having to serve?
>
> Community service? Shocking. Why, if they all went into an old folks'
> home at once it might start a riot.
>
I think he's afraid some rightie might have to actually make a sacrifice
for this country without doing it voluntarily.
You can't be a patriot unless ya do it voluntarily... or something.
Who knows how a rightie brain works?
Scott Erb
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:17:26 -0700 (PDT), Scott Erb
>
>
>
> <scott...@maine.edu> wrote:
> >On Jul 19, 10:03 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "Steve" <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:rvt484hp4sic2ajm1...@4ax.com...
>
> >> > On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:18:46 -0700 (PDT), znuybv <thowil...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >>On Jul 18, 1:28 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> "Steve" <stevencan...@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>>news:edt184lgs62meiihg...@4ax.com...
>
> >> >>> > On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Kevin Cunningham
> >> >>> > <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>> >>On Jul 18, 10:16 am, Foxtrot <foxt...@null.com> wrote:
> >> >>> >>> Scott Erb <scott...@maine.edu> wrote:
> >> >>> >>> >Mitchell Holman <Noem...@comcast.com> wrote:
> >> >>> >>> >> Scott Erb <scott...@maine.edu> wrote
> >> >>> >>> >> > Some good news: Defense Secretary Robert Gates has warned of
> >> >>> >>> >> > "creeping
> >> >>> >>> >> > militarization" of American foreign policy:
> >> >>> >>> >> >http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=253931
>
> >> >>> >>> >> > It is time for the US political leaders to stop abusing the
> >> >>> >>> >> > military
> >> >>> >>> >> > and military personnel. The creeping militarization is due to
> >> >>> >>> >> > an
> >> >>> >>> >> > essentially misguided foreign policy:
> >> >>> >>> >> >http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/creeping-militarization/
>
> >> >>> >>> >>http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/
>
> >> >>> >>> >You know, so many people, students and friends, have recommended
> >> >>> >>> >that
> >> >>> >>> >video to me, and I haven't seen it before. Superb. I like Ike!
>
> >> >>> >>> Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher peacefully won the Cold War.
> >> >>> >>> It was clearly over by the time BJ took office. We no longer need
> >> >>> >>> the
> >> >>> >>> enormous military and hundreds of bases around the world, just a few
> >> >>> >>> big ones in the mideast would be adequate these days.
>
> >> >>> >>> Question for you partisan Dems who blame Repubs for our bloated
> >> >>> >>> military and much of the world's view that we are imperialistic. Why
> >> >>> >>> didn't your hero Billy Jeff do the right thing and close most of our
> >> >>> >>> bases
> >> >>> >>> around the world which are no longer needed?
>
> >> >>> >>" Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher peacefully won the Cold War."
> >> >>> >>The most demented sentence of the year!!!! Its not just wrong, its
> >> >>> >>WRONG. Reagan that Thatcher had very, very little to do with the fall
> >> >>> >>of the Soviet Union.
>
> >> >>> > ..as if you'd know..
>
> >> >>> Way to go, "Steve". As usual, you don't have a single constructive
> >> >>> comment,
> >> >>> just a personal slam
>
> >> >>There are times when a personal slam is constructive.
>
> >> > How true...
>
> >> And if it weren't for personal slams you'd never post at all, "Steve."
>
> >Hey Gandalf, how goes things!
>
> >Yeah, "Steve" seems angry and bitter, but unwilling to actually make a
> >point. I think he's doing this as a form of therapy.
>
> I don't think it's working...
Maybe it is. Maybe he gets all his idiocy out in these newsgroups and
then functions adequately in the real world. It's possible.
Unlikely, perhaps...
Scott Erb
> "Scott Erb" <scott...@maine.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:0a055d2c-84a4-47db...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> again. Whenever Kurt Lochner and you go on hiatus the IQ level drops at
> least a 100 points.
Doing well. I'm starting a new research project on consumerism. I'm
blogging about it too:
http://scotterb.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/carnival-consumerism/
> > Yeah, "Steve" seems angry and bitter, but unwilling to actually make a
> > point. I think he's doing this as a form of therapy.
>
> I fear you're correct. Another classic example of the dangers of
> self-treatment.
LOL! Glad you're still around, with enlightening posts!
Gary DeWaay
@gmail.com Gandalf Grey says...
> The
> American people hate right wing poltics, they hate the right wing president
> and they've come to outright hate right wingers. It's all over for these
> guys and they know it.
>
>
The kicker is they were at least smart enough to nominate a moderate (or
at least he used to be) and now they don't know what to do with him.
Do they embrace him as a moderate, or try to mold him into a wingnut?
We all know the answer to this...
4120 Dead
The ones that are real obsessive about it, and who have a grasping,
unbearable need to impress people they claim they can't stand, usually
don't do much better in the main world.
Steve
<dmof...@stomping-leftist-twits.org> wrote:
I guess they'd like me to argue with them... but what would be the
point of that? It's not like they can learn and they sure don't have
anything worthwhile to say...
Steve
Slobs of a feather ....?
Steve
<zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
...and if you want to make Jamieson angry, remind him that he'll never
be allowed to vote.