#Atheist student who sued school: You can’t imagine the things I’ve heard

[2966 Dead]

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Atheist student who sued school: You can’t imagine the things I’ve heard
By Eric W. Dolan
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 17:38 EDT
Jessica Ahlquist screenshot
Topics: american civil liberties union ♦ Jessica Ahlquist ♦ YouTube


An atheist student who sued over a public prayer display at her public
school described her experiences at the Reason Rally in March.

“I have a confession to make, I am ‘evil little thing,’” Jessica Ahlquist
said in a video of her speech uploaded to YouTube on Wednesday.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit on behalf of the 16-
year-old student against Cranston High School West in 2010. Ahlquist had
argued the banner promoting Christian theology made her feel “ostracized
and out of place.”

“I witness first hand people all over the world come together to support
me and what I was doing,” Ahlquist said, “and that is something that I
cannot begin to express in words how good if feels.”

The U.S. District Court for the District of Rhode Island ruled in January
that the banner violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

“Since then, there has been everything,” she said. “You can’t imagine the
things that I have heard. In school, I’ll walk down a hallway and people
will say, ‘eww, it’s the atheist.’ There have been people on the Internet
— obviously — and there was a state representative, Peter Palumbo, who
did call me an ‘evil little thing.’”

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Not dead, in jail or a slave? Thank a liberal!

[Richard Steel]

> Atheist student who sued school: You can’t imagine the things I’ve heard

Gee, you try and ban someone's religion, and they don't like you?
Really? People don't like bullies? Who'da thunk?

Is there anything quite as unappealing as a whiny bully?

[Phlip]

On May 9, 8:39 pm, Richard Steel <rsteel2...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Atheist student who sued school: You can’t imagine the things I’ve heard
>
> Gee, you try and ban someone's religion, and they don't like you?

Sounds like the school banned the atheist's religion.

Or maybe you think all atheists want to ban all religion, and all gays
want to ban straight sex, etc. Projectivity...

[Richard Steel]

On May 9, 9:54 pm, Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 9, 8:39 pm, Richard Steel <rsteel2...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Atheist student who sued school: You can’t imagine the things I’ve heard
>
> > Gee, you try and ban someone's religion, and they don't like you?

> Sounds like the school banned the atheist's religion.

You now acknowledge that Atheism IS a religion? Well, that's
progress.

> Or maybe you think all atheists want to ban all religion,

That IS what Atheists tend to do when they control a nation.

[JLS]

Atheism is the UNreligion.

If your religion is such powerful medicine, why must it commandeer the
facilities of the public schools to spread itself? It already has the
churches, the streets, the town square, the homes, and other places
where it can metastasize.

[JLS]

Baw haw haw! Ignoramuses like you are too funny. Where did you go to
school, if anywhere? Ban someone's religion? --- NOPE.

Remove official endorsement of Christianity from the public schools
where it doesn't belong --- YES.

Enforce the Establishment Clause which erects a wall of separation
between religion and the state --- YES.

The Supreme Court has been ruling against this institutional theocracy
of the right wing for decades. See _Everson v Board of Education_ for
details.
_________________________

"The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means
at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a
church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all
religions or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor
influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his
will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No
person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious
beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax
in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious
activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever
form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor
the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the
affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In
the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion
by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and
State.'" Mr. Justice Abe Fortas, writing for the Supreme Court in
Everson v Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1, 15-16. (1947)

[Richard Steel]

On May 10, 12:45 am, JLS <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On May 10, 3:04 am, Richard Steel <rsteel2...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 9, 9:54 pm, Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 9, 8:39 pm, Richard Steel <rsteel2...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Atheist student who sued school: You can’t imagine the things I’ve heard
>
> > > > Gee, you try and ban someone's religion, and they don't like you?
> > > Sounds like the school banned the atheist's religion.
>
> > You now acknowledge that Atheism IS a religion?   Well, that's
> > progress.
>
> > > Or maybe you think all atheists want to ban all religion,
>
> > That IS what Atheists tend to do when they control a nation.

> Atheism is the UNreligion.

No, Atheism is definately a religion. It's defining characteristic is
it's view of God, there are meetings....it's a religion.

Now, AGNOSTICISM can argue that's it's a "nonreligion". But certainly
not Atheism.

> If your religion is such powerful medicine, why must it commandeer the
> facilities of the public schools to spread itself?

The religious person who's attempting to for her religion on others in
this public school is the Atheist.

>  It already has the
> churches, the streets, the town square, the homes, and other places
> where it can metastasize.

"Remember that in past history other governments have tried to force
Christians to huddle and hide only within the confines of their
churches like the first disciples locked up in the Upper Room. In the
late 19th century, Bismarck waged his ‘Kulturkampf,’ a Culture War,
against the Roman Catholic Church, closing down every Catholic school
and hospital, convent and monastery in Imperial Germany.

“Clemenceau, nicknamed ‘the priest eater,’ tried the same thing in
France in the first decade of the 20th Century. Hitler and Stalin, at
their better moments, would just barely tolerate some churches
remaining open, but would not tolerate any competition with the state
in education, social services, and health care."
Bishop Daniel Jenky

[trainguard]

On May 10, 3:37 am, 2966 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote:
> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/09/atheist-student-who-sued-school...

> cant-imagine-the-things-ive-heard/
>
> Atheist student who sued school: You can’t imagine the things I’ve heard
> By Eric W. Dolan
> Wednesday, May 9, 2012 17:38 EDT
> Jessica Ahlquist screenshot
> Topics: american civil liberties union ♦ Jessica Ahlquist ♦ YouTube
>
> An atheist student who sued over a public prayer display at her public
> school described her experiences at the Reason Rally in March.
>
> “I have a confession to make, I am ‘evil little thing,’” Jessica Ahlquist
> said in a video of her speech uploaded to YouTube on Wednesday.
>
> The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit on behalf of the 16-
> year-old student against Cranston High School West in 2010. Ahlquist had
> argued the banner promoting Christian theology made her feel “ostracized
> and out of place.”
>
> “I witness first hand people all over the world come together to support
> me and what I was doing,” Ahlquist said, “and that is something that I
> cannot begin to express in words how good if feels.”
>
> The U.S. District Court for the District of Rhode Island ruled in January
> that the banner violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
>
> “Since then, there has been everything,” she said. “You can’t imagine the
> things that I have heard. In school, I’ll walk down a hallway and people
> will say, ‘eww, it’s the atheist.’ There have been people on the Internet
> — obviously — and there was a state representative, Peter Palumbo, who
> did call me an ‘evil little thing.’”

Perhaps they need to teach a new course:-

"The Life and Opinions of Roger Williams"

Dr. Barry Worthington


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[JLS]

On May 10, 3:59 am, Richard Steel <rsteel2...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 10, 12:45 am, JLS <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 10, 3:04 am, Richard Steel <rsteel2...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 9, 9:54 pm, Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 9, 8:39 pm, Richard Steel <rsteel2...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Atheist student who sued school: You can’t imagine the things I’ve heard
>
> > > > > Gee, you try and ban someone's religion, and they don't like you?
> > > > Sounds like the school banned the atheist's religion.
>
> > > You now acknowledge that Atheism IS a religion?   Well, that's
> > > progress.
>
> > > > Or maybe you think all atheists want to ban all religion,
>
> > > That IS what Atheists tend to do when they control a nation.
> > Atheism is the UNreligion.
>
> No, Atheism is definately a religion.

Yeah, goofy, and a pure vacuum contains a solar system, and abstinence
is a sexual position.

 It's defining characteristic is
> it's view of God, there are meetings....it's a religion.

Your defining characteristic is illiteracy. And illiteracy and
ignorance go hand in hand.

>
> Now, AGNOSTICISM can argue that's it's a "nonreligion".  But certainly
> not Atheism.
>
> > If your religion is such powerful medicine, why must it commandeer the
> > facilities of the public schools to spread itself?
>
> The religious person who's attempting to for her religion on others in
> this public school is the Atheist.

The atheist merely wishes for the Establishment Clause to be enforced
by the courts, and, HOORAY! it was.

>
> >  It already has the
> > churches, the streets, the town square, the homes, and other places
> > where it can metastasize.

They don't huddle or hide. They're constantly in your face. Three
times in a week the JW's have engaged in ingress, egress, and regress
here on these premises. And every time I go downtown a few blocks
away, the street preachers are howling and there are religious nuts
everywhere carrying signs and passing out pamphlets.
I regularly get offers to attend this or that church, and the churches
and preachers flood the teevy with evangelical programming every day
and with deafening intensity on Sunday. And our newspapers and teevy
are constantly blathering quotations of Billy Graham and his sobered-
up son with the fleet of 15 playboy airplanes and helicopters and the
misnomered for-profit corporation he calls "Samaritan's Purse."

>
> "Remember that in past history other governments have tried to force
> Christians to huddle and hide only within the confines of their
> churches like the first disciples locked up in the Upper Room.  In the
> late 19th century, Bismarck waged his ‘Kulturkampf,’ a Culture War,
> against the Roman Catholic Church, closing down every Catholic school
> and hospital, convent and monastery in Imperial Germany.

Yawn. Irrelevant and a likely bartonesque revision of history.

>
> “Clemenceau, nicknamed ‘the priest eater,’ tried the same thing in
> France in the first decade of the 20th Century. Hitler and Stalin, at
> their better moments, would just barely tolerate some churches
> remaining open, but would not tolerate any competition with the state
> in education, social services, and health care."
>                               Bishop  Daniel Jenky

Yawn. More xian whining, "They're PERSECUTING us! They're
PERSECUTING us! Pray fervently and send money to help us fight it!!!"

[Richard Steel]

> > > > That IS what Atheists tend to do when they control a nation.
> > > Atheism is the UNreligion.

> > No, Atheism is definitely a religion.

>
> Yeah, goofy, and a pure vacuum contains a solar system, and abstinence
> is a sexual position.

> > It's defining characteristic is it's view of God, there are meetings....it's a religion.

> Your defining characteristic is illiteracy.  And illiteracy and
> ignorance go hand in hand.

Let's check the dictionary, shall we?

re·li·gion

noun
...
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally
agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion;
the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and
practices: a world council of religions.

> > Now, AGNOSTICISM can argue that's it's a "nonreligion".  But certainly
> > not Atheism.

(crickets)

> > > If your religion is such powerful medicine, why must it commandeer the
> > > facilities of the public schools to spread itself?

> > The religious person who's attempting to for her religion on others in
> > this public school is the Atheist.

> The atheist merely wishes for the Establishment Clause to be enforced
> by the courts, and, HOORAY! it was.

No, the Establishment Clause was trampled on. There's a movement to
create an official state region in America, and that region is
Atheism.

> > >  It already has the
> > > churches, the streets, the town square, the homes, and other places
> > > where it can metastasize.

> They don't huddle or hide.  They're constantly in your face.  Three
> times in a week the JW's have engaged in ingress, egress, and regress
> here on these premises.  And every time I go downtown a few blocks
> away, the street preachers are howling and there are religious nuts
> everywhere carrying signs and passing out pamphlets.
> I regularly get offers to attend this or that church, and the churches
> and preachers flood the teevy with evangelical programming every day
> and with deafening intensity on Sunday.  And our newspapers and teevy
> are constantly blathering quotations of Billy Graham and his sobered-
> up son with the fleet of 15 playboy airplanes and helicopters and the
> misnomered for-profit corporation he calls "Samaritan's Purse."

Are the Christians under your bed? Have they taken over the mind of
your dog? Look at that hair on your desk. It was an eighth of an
inch to the right when you left yesterday. The Christians are in your
room, leaving tracking devices. Oh, no! They're sending the White
Helicopters to get you. The Men In White tried to use their brain
scrubbing devices on you, but they hit your foot by mistake. Now your
foot can't remember anything. Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Run,
run!

[Richard Steel]

> > “Clemenceau, nicknamed ‘the priest eater,’ tried the same thing in
> > France in the first decade of the 20th Century. Hitler and Stalin, at
> > their better moments, would just barely tolerate some churches
> > remaining open, but would not tolerate any competition with the state
> > in education, social services, and health care."
> >                               Bishop  Daniel Jenky

> Yawn.  More xian whining, "They're PERSECUTING us!  They're
> PERSECUTING us!  Pray fervently and send money to help us fight it!!!"

The Atheists murdered ONE HUNDRED MILLION innocent souls when they
were it power.

About ten times the size of the Holocaust.

And, LITERALLY, the only defense your ilk has against committing the
greatest catastrophy in world history is "uhhhhhhhhhh - technically,
we're not a region, so it doesn't, like, count."

[Richard Steel]

No, they should teach a class based on "The Black Book of Communism" -
and discuss how Atheists murdered 100,000,000 innocent souls.

[Sid9]

"Mr.B1ack" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message
news:guonq7hcpmahmmka8...@4ax.com...
> Zeppie ... I was a known atheist in a smallish bible-belt
> town and never had one lick of trouble in school related
> to my religious (un)beliefs. It's EASY - just don't be
> a hyperreactive SHIT towards the religious people. They
> are humans too, entitled to believe whatever BS they want
> to believe ... and it is NOT fatal for an athiest to hear
> a prayer or sit through a 'minute of silence' (they had
> those when I was there) or see the Bible Club meeting
> in room 207.
>
> This student got the treatment because she clearly
> WAS a shit, didn't tolerate or respect those who
> were religious and actively worked against them.
> My sympathies here are with the theists.
>
.
.
Many religious people tend to be belligerent towards atheists.
It's my belief that there are hazards involved in disclosing your non-belief
in a hostile environment.

[2966 Dead]

And Blackie is scared to death of those violent bigots; so scared he
wants all the people he theoretically agrees with to shut up and submit
like he does.

It's really pathetic to watch him.

[David Hartung]

Let me see it I have this right. The religious people have to "tolerate"
and put up with anything the non-religious or atheist people want to
throw at them, but the non-religious and atheist people don't have to
"tolerate and put up with overt expressions of religion on the part of
the religious people.

Tell me again how fair this is.

[wy]

The problem with religion is that there are too many religions, one
trying to top the other in being the "right" religion. Religion can't
even agree with itself as to what should be believed. That's what
makes religion, and all the religions within it, a form of
intellectual obscenity that shouldn't be bombarding the rest of the
sane population with expressions of their insanity.

[2966 Dead]

Is anyone compelling you to put a mural of Christopher Hitchens up in
your church? No?

Then don't try to equate the two.

[Sid9]

"David Hartung" <yankeefarmboy@liv*e.com> wrote in message
news:SuOdnXWxFLXIZDbS...@giganews.com...

.
.
.
Poor poor phony Christian minister Hartung is being persecuted by a
minority.

He needs to "defend" marriage"
He needs to defend "Christmas"
He needs to defend against the pope
He needs to defend prayer" in public schools
He needs to conduct a "crusade" of some kind, any kind.

He can be as offensive as he likes to anyone who doesn't believe things his
way.

Hartung's Christ is an aggressive Christ, not at all like the one in his
holy book.

[Barry]

And how do you think Roger Williams would act in this situation?

Dr. Barry Worthington

>but the non-religious and atheist people don't have to
> "tolerate and put up with overt expressions of religion on the part of
> the religious people.
>

> Tell me again how fair this is.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Barry]

We know that you are an idiot. There's no need to prove it!

Dr. Barry worthington

[Richard Steel]

> > > > “Since then, there has been everything,” she said. “You can’t imagine the
> > > > things that I have heard. In school, I’ll walk down a hallway and people
> > > > will say, ‘eww, it’s the atheist.’ There have been people on the Internet
> > > > — obviously — and there was a state representative, Peter Palumbo, who
> > > > did call me an ‘evil little thing.’”
> > > Perhaps they need to teach a new course:-
> > > "The Life and Opinions of Roger Williams"

> > No, they should teach a class based on "The Black Book of Communism" -
> > and discuss how Atheists murdered 100,000,000 innocent souls.

> We know that you are an idiot. There's no need to prove it!

Do you deny the empirical fact, or that 100,000,000 murders are OK
when done by Socialists?

[wy]

Did you personally count them all?

[Richard Steel]

> > Do you deny the empirical fact, or that 100,000,000 murders are OK
> > when done by Socialists?

> Did you personally count them all?

That's exactly the argument one expects from a Holocaust denier.

[wy]

So you didn't count them all. So you're just pulling numbers out of
your hat, or worse, out of that plastic blow-up doll you call your
"wife". Yeah, I thought so.

[Richard Steel]

> > That's exactly the argument one expects from a Holocaust denier.

> So you didn't count them all.

Did you count all of the people who died at the Holocaust?

[trainguard]

You have not supplied any empirical facts. You would not know a 'fact'
if you fell over one....

Dr. Barry Worthington

[Richard Steel]

Here, read a book for a change. This one was written by ACTUAL
scholars, as opposed to whatever the Hell it is YOU are:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Black-Book-Communism-Repression/dp/0674076087/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1336692736&sr=1-1

The Socialists committed a disaster that it literally ten times the
size and scope of the Holocaust. And you've never heard of it? Just
how uninformed are you?

[wy]

This is your mathematical problem, not mine. Boy, you're stupid.

[wy]

On May 10, 7:33 pm, Richard Steel <rsteel2...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 10, 3:42 pm, trainguard <barry_worthing...@sky.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 10, 10:39 pm, Richard Steel <rsteel2...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > “Since then, there has been everything,” she said. “You can’t imagine the
> > > > > > > things that I have heard. In school, I’ll walk down a hallway and people
> > > > > > > will say, ‘eww, it’s the atheist.’ There have been people on the Internet
> > > > > > > — obviously — and there was a state representative, Peter Palumbo, who
> > > > > > > did call me an ‘evil little thing.’”
> > > > > > Perhaps they need to teach a new course:-
> > > > > > "The Life and Opinions of Roger Williams"
> > > > > No, they should teach a class based on "The Black Book of Communism" -
> > > > > and discuss how Atheists murdered 100,000,000 innocent souls.
> > > > We know that you are an idiot. There's no need to prove it!
>
> > > Do you deny the empirical fact, or that 100,000,000 murders are OK
> > > when done by Socialists?
>
> > You have not supplied any empirical facts.
>
> Here, read a book for a change.  This one was written by ACTUAL
> scholars, as opposed to whatever the Hell it is YOU are:
>

> http://www.amazon.com/The-Black-Book-Communism-Repression/dp/06740760...

>
> The Socialists committed a disaster that it literally ten times the
> size and scope of the Holocaust.  And you've never heard of it?  Just
> how uninformed are you?

Nobody can possibly be more uninformed than you, so relax.

[JLS]

To compare that thing to a box of rocks is to insult the rocks.
Sheesh, I don't know when I've been confronted with such a dumbass.

[Richard Steel]

Within living memory, an event occurred which makes the Holocaust look
like a fender bender...and you claim never to have heard of it.

That is the gold standard of "uninformed".

[Richard Steel]

> > > Here, read a book for a change.  This one was written by ACTUAL
> > > scholars, as opposed to whatever the Hell it is YOU are:

> > >http://www.amazon.com/The-Black-Book-Communism-Repression/dp/06740760...

> > > The Socialists committed a disaster that it literally ten times the
> > > size and scope of the Holocaust.  And you've never heard of it?  Just
> > > how uninformed are you?

> > Nobody can possibly be more uninformed than you, so relax.

> To compare that thing to a box of rocks is to insult the rocks.
> Sheesh, I don't know when I've been confronted with such a dumbass.

100,000,000 innocent people are dead, it happened within living
memory....and you never heard of it.

[wy]

You keep saying it, but you can't seem to describe anything specific
that adds up to this "100 million" figure. Do you even know what
you're talking about?

[Richard Steel]

No, you're the one who demanded counting 100,000,000 million dead
people, not me.

You first.

[JLS]

This is the stale mantra of the right wingers, that is, that Stalin
murdered a trillion Christians. LOL!

[wy]

A trillion? I thought it was five times that. Well, a trillion ain't
so bad.

[wy]

Since the beginning of time, 100,000,000,000,000 innocent people are
dead, and 100,000,000,000,000 more will die, assuming that we're now
at the mid-point to the end of time. Your point is?

[Richard Steel]

Here, stupid. read a book.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Black-Book-Communism-Repression/dp/0674076087/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336699657&sr=8-1

Written by pretty much the top historians on Communism in the world.

[wy]

> http://www.amazon.com/The-Black-Book-Communism-Repression/dp/06740760...

>
> Written by pretty much the top historians on Communism in the world.

If you had read it yourself, you would've provided the undeniable
proof well before now. But no, instead you just keep dragging this on
till kingdom come without supplying any irrefutable data or facts
whatsoever. Why should I read a book you haven't read yourself? Or
were the blurbs for it enough for you? Yeah, non-contextual blurbs.
That's what Repugnants are great at grasping, because that's really
all they can grasp.

[Richard Steel]

I did. Here's a link to the book. Learn something

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_23?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=black+book+of+communism&sprefix=black+book+of+communism%2Caps%2C369

[Richard Steel]

How would that attempt to dismiss and belittle 100 million murdered
souls, be any different, or superior, were it to be used to deny 11
million deaths in the Holocaust?

[Richard Steel]

No, 25 million. More than twice as many as Hitler.

Here, learn something for a change.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_23?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=black+book+of+communism&sprefix=black+book+of+communism%2Caps%2C369

[Richard Steel]

Nope. 25 million. Tell me how you're any better than a Holocaust
denier?

[wy]

> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_23?url=search-alias%3Dstripb...

And yet, you still can't provide any tangible or coherent proof.
Nope, you never read it.

[wy]

The numbers keep changing. You're out of numeric control, Dickie.

[wy]

There's no need for commas where you placed them. And you can't even
get your numbers straight on Holocaust deaths either. Being just a
blurb guy is what makes you boy, you're stupid.

[Barry]

On May 11, 12:33 am, Richard Steel <rsteel2...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 10, 3:42 pm, trainguard <barry_worthing...@sky.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 10, 10:39 pm, Richard Steel <rsteel2...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > “Since then, there has been everything,” she said. “You can’t imagine the
> > > > > > > things that I have heard. In school, I’ll walk down a hallway and people
> > > > > > > will say, ‘eww, it’s the atheist.’ There have been people on the Internet
> > > > > > > — obviously — and there was a state representative, Peter Palumbo, who
> > > > > > > did call me an ‘evil little thing.’”
> > > > > > Perhaps they need to teach a new course:-
> > > > > > "The Life and Opinions of Roger Williams"
> > > > > No, they should teach a class based on "The Black Book of Communism" -
> > > > > and discuss how Atheists murdered 100,000,000 innocent souls.
> > > > We know that you are an idiot. There's no need to prove it!
>
> > > Do you deny the empirical fact, or that 100,000,000 murders are OK
> > > when done by Socialists?
>
> > You have not supplied any empirical facts.
>
> Here, read a book for a change.  This one was written by ACTUAL
> scholars, as opposed to whatever the Hell it is YOU are:
>

> http://www.amazon.com/The-Black-Book-Communism-Repression/dp/06740760...

Written by wing-nuts for wing-nuts.......

I prefer (though not necessarily agree with) Robert Conquest and
Aleksander Solzhenitsyn.

But I'm a historian.....

Dr. Barry Worthington

>
> The Socialists committed a disaster that it literally ten times the
> size and scope of the Holocaust.  And you've never heard of it?  Just

> how uninformed are you?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Barry]

No, he doesn't. He's never been outside the US, I suspect. Another
liar and fantasist.

But don't play the little turd's game....go back to the original
subject of the thread!

Dr. Barry Worthington

[Barry]

I actually met people who lived through the Gulag..both Russian and
non-Russian.....and visited former execution sites.

But you are still talking shit.....

Dr. Barry Worthington

[Richard Steel]

> No, he doesn't. He's never been outside the US, I suspect. Another
> liar and fantasist.

Of course I have. My last trip to Europe was in Oct.

I offered to visit you when I go to England next year (this year,
UTAH, so my wife and I can see a stage version of the Disney musical
"Aladdin.") You became hysterical at the idea. What are you hiding,
I wonder?

[Richard Steel]

"The Black Book of Communism" is the definitive document on that sorry
period of history. It's all there for you to read.

[Richard Steel]

Nope. About 100 million by the Communists in total. 25 of that
hundred is Stalin alone.

In living memory, 100 million innocent people have been executed, and
you're too fucking stupid to have heard of it.

Just how ill informed are you?

[Richard Steel]

On May 10, 10:56 pm, Barry <barry_worthing...@sky.com> wrote:
> On May 11, 12:33 am, Richard Steel <rsteel2...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 10, 3:42 pm, trainguard <barry_worthing...@sky.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 10, 10:39 pm, Richard Steel <rsteel2...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > “Since then, there has been everything,” she said. “You can’t imagine the
> > > > > > > > things that I have heard. In school, I’ll walk down a hallway and people
> > > > > > > > will say, ‘eww, it’s the atheist.’ There have been people on the Internet
> > > > > > > > — obviously — and there was a state representative, Peter Palumbo, who
> > > > > > > > did call me an ‘evil little thing.’”
> > > > > > > Perhaps they need to teach a new course:-
> > > > > > > "The Life and Opinions of Roger Williams"
> > > > > > No, they should teach a class based on "The Black Book of Communism" -
> > > > > > and discuss how Atheists murdered 100,000,000 innocent souls.
> > > > > We know that you are an idiot. There's no need to prove it!
>
> > > > Do you deny the empirical fact, or that 100,000,000 murders are OK
> > > > when done by Socialists?
>
> > > You have not supplied any empirical facts.
>
> > Here, read a book for a change.  This one was written by ACTUAL
> > scholars, as opposed to whatever the Hell it is YOU are:
>
> >http://www.amazon.com/The-Black-Book-Communism-Repression/dp/06740760...

> Written by wing-nuts for wing-nuts.......

The Black Book of Communism is published in the United State by
Harvard University. The book was edited by Stéphane Courtois, a
French historian, an internationally known expert on communist
studies, particularly the history of communism and communist
genocides, and author of several books besides the BBoC.

Courtois is a research director at the French National Centre for
Scientific Research, in the Géode (group of study and observation of
democracy) at Paris West University Nanterre La Défense, as well as a
Professor at the Catholic Institute of Higher Studies – ICES. He is
editor of the journal Communisme, which he co-founded with Annie
Kriegel in 1982, and part of the Cercle de l'Oratoire think tank.

The Black Book of Communism received praise in a number of
publications in the United States and Britain, including the Times
Literary Supplement, New York Times Book Review, Library Journal,
Kirkus Reviews, The New Republic, National Review and The Weekly
Standard. Some reviewers compared the book to The Black Book, a
documentary record of the Nazi atrocities by Ilya Ehrenburg and Vasily
Grossman.

According to review by historian Tony Judt in The New York Times: "The
myth of the well-intentioned founders—the good czar Lenin betrayed by
his evil heirs—has been laid to rest for good. No one will any longer
be able to claim ignorance or uncertainty about the criminal nature of
Communism"

Anne Applebaum, journalist and author of Gulag: A History described
the book as "a serious, scholarly history of Communist crimes in the
Soviet Union, Eastern and Western Europe, China, North Korea,
Cambodia, Vietnam, Africa, and Latin America... The Black Book does
indeed surpass many of its predecessors in conveying the grand scale
of the Communist tragedy, thanks to its authors' extensive use of the
newly opened archives of the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe."

Martin Malia, writing for the Times Literary Supplement, described the
book as "the publishing sensation in France... detailing Communism's
crimes from Russia in 1917 to Afghanistan in 1989... [The Black Book
of Communism] gives a balance sheet of our present knowledge of
Communism's human costs, archivally based where possible, and
otherwise drawing on the best secondary works, and with due allowance
for the difficulties of quantification."

The Council of Europe based its Resolution 1481, which condemned
totalitarian communist regimés, upon the figures from the book.

> But I'm a historian..... >

How is it possible that you're a "historian"....and yet you've never
ever heard of the most important book on the history Communism ever
written?

[trainguard]

Bloody nutter!

Dr. Barry Worthington

[trainguard]

No it isn't! It's shite!

Now, back to the subject of this thread.....

[Richard Steel]

> > > No, he doesn't. He's never been outside the US, I suspect. Another
> > > liar and fantasist.

> > Of course I have.  My last trip to Europe was in Oct.

> > I offered to visit you when I go to England next year (this year,
> > UTAH, so my wife and I can see a stage version of the Disney musical
> > "Aladdin.")  You became hysterical at the idea.  What are you hiding,
> > I wonder?

> Bloody nutter!

You're a bittler, unimportant nobody living alone in a pensioner
studio apartment.

[Richard Steel]

And yet you defend the people who ran the Gulags.

[Richard Steel]

It's published by Harvard University, written and edited by the top
scholars on Communism in the world.

Who is a nobody like you to look down your nose at Harvard University?

[Richard Steel]

http://www.amazon.com/The-Elements-Style-4th-Edition/dp/0205313426/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1336723942&sr=1-1

>  And you can't even
> get your numbers straight on Holocaust deaths either.

I've kept them very straight.

65 million in the People's Republic of China
20-25 million in the Soviet Union
2 million in Cambodia
2 million in North Korea
1.7 million in Africa
1.5 million in Afghanistan
1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
1 million in Vietnam
150,000 in Latin America

> Being just a blurb guy is what makes you boy, you're stupid.>

Please re-read the above sentence, then ponder why I don't take your
advice on comma placement seriously.

[trainguard]

Oh dear!

Richard is about to cry......

Dr. Barry Worthington

[trainguard]

First published in France.

The authors are not reputable historians.

There is a difference between the Harvard University Press and Harvard
University, you stupid tosser!

Now bugger off!

Dr. Barry Worthington
>
> Who is a nobody like you to look down your nose at Harvard University?- Hide quoted text -

[JLS]

On May 10, 1:22 pm, David Hartung <yankeefarmboy@liv*e.com> wrote:
> On 05/10/2012 12:18 PM, 2966 Dead wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 10 May 2012 12:45:49 -0400, Sid9 wrote:
>
> >> "Mr.B1ack"<b...@barrk.net>  wrote in message
> >>news:guonq7hcpmahmmka8...@4ax.com...
> >>> Zeppie ... I was a known atheist in a smallish bible-belt town and
> >>> never had one lick of trouble in school related to my religious
> >>> (un)beliefs. It's EASY - just don't be a hyperreactive SHIT towards the
> >>> religious people. They are humans too, entitled to believe whatever BS
> >>> they want to believe ... and it is NOT fatal for an athiest to hear a
> >>> prayer or sit through a 'minute of silence' (they had those when I was
> >>> there) or see the Bible Club meeting in room 207.
>
> >>> This student got the treatment because she clearly WAS a shit, didn't
> >>> tolerate or respect those who were religious and actively worked
> >>> against them.
> >>> My sympathies here are with the theists.
>
> >> .
> >> .
> >> Many religious people tend to be belligerent towards atheists.
> >> It's my belief that there are hazards involved in disclosing your
> >> non-belief in a hostile environment.
>
> > And Blackie is scared to death of those violent bigots; so scared he
> > wants all the people he theoretically agrees with to shut up and submit
> > like he does.
>
> > It's really pathetic to watch him.
>
> Let me see it I have this right. The religious people have to "tolerate"
> and put up with anything the non-religious or atheist people want to
> throw at them, but the non-religious and atheist people don't have to
> "tolerate and put up with overt expressions of religion on the part of
> the religious people.
>
> Tell me again how fair this is.

It is unfair. It's a strawman.

[JLS]

On May 11, 2:45 am, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:

> "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >"Mr.B1ack" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message
> >news:guonq7hcpmahmmka8...@4ax.com...
> >> Zeppie ... I was a known atheist in a smallish bible-belt
> >> town and never had one lick of trouble in school related
> >> to my religious (un)beliefs. It's EASY - just don't be
> >> a hyperreactive SHIT towards the religious people. They
> >> are humans too, entitled to believe whatever BS they want
> >> to believe ... and it is NOT fatal for an athiest to hear
> >> a prayer or sit through a 'minute of silence' (they had
> >> those when I was there) or see the Bible Club meeting
> >> in room 207.
>
> >> This student got the treatment because she clearly
> >> WAS a shit, didn't tolerate or respect those who
> >> were religious and actively worked against them.
> >> My sympathies here are with the theists.
>
> >.
> >.
> >Many religious people tend to be belligerent towards atheists.
>

>    And it's never serious belligerence UNLESS they're
>    treated like shits.
>
>    Been there. Lived it all. Don't even try to tell
>    me "how it is" 'cause I *KNOW*.

>
> >It's my belief that there are hazards involved in disclosing your non-belief
> >in a hostile environment.
>

>    And why would the environment be 'hostile' ??? Who
>    made it so ? The vast-majority theists ? Nope. If
>    you want 'hostile' then start throwing feces like
>    some dumb-ass monkey. THEN you'll get 'hostile'.

You should read those articles in George Magazine about the Jewish
family that settled in Alabama and put their kids in the local public
school. The kids were forced to participate in Christian prayers and
almost immediately became objects of persecution. Maybe you would
change your tune.

The Establishment Clause is the first clause of the First Amendment
for a reason. Keeping all religion out of public schools is the
wisest policy. Kids are there for academia, not religion, which
dumbs kids down and causes them to focus on superstitions rather than
reality like reading, writing, and arithmetic.

We are all born atheist. Kids have to LEARN religion, and they can
learn it in their homes and in their congregations, or even in private
schools. Public schools are not proper places for evangelizing or
flying Christian banners which proclaim an official school religion.

[Richard Steel]

Why should I? I have a lovely wife. And I'm not afraid to meet
people.

[Richard Steel]

Yes. And........? You hate all things American. Apparently, you
hate France. You hate all things conservative. You're kinda like the
Father In Law from the movie "So I Married An Axe Murderer". When
asked his opinion on, well, anything, he screamed "If it's not
Scottish, it's CRAP!"

> The authors are not reputable historians.

Nicolas Werth is a researcher at the Institut d'Histoire du Temps
Présent (IHTP) in Paris.

Jean-Louis Panné is a specialist on the international Communist
movement.

Andrzej Paczkowski is the deputy director of the Institute for
Political Studies of the Polish Academy of Sciences and a member of
the archival commission for the Polish Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Karel Bartošek (1930–2004) was a historian from the Czech Republic,
and a researcher at IHTP.

Jean-Louis Margolin is a lecturer at the Université de Provence and a
researcher as the Research Institute on Southeast Asia.

Sylvain Boulougue is a research associate at GEODE, Université Paris
X.

Pascal Fontaine is a journalist with a special knowledge of Latin
America.

Rémi Kauffer is a specialist in the history of intelligence,
terrorism, and clandestine operations.

Pierre Rigoulet is a researcher at the Institut d'Histoire Sociale.

Meanwhile, you babble about the difference between sex tours and sex
tourism.

> There is a difference between the Harvard University Press and Harvard
> University, you stupid tosser!

Er, not really. Harvard University Press is a division of Harvard
University. As a member of the Association of American University
Presses, HUP is probably the single most respected printer of academic
material in the world.

> Now bugger off!

Oh, dear....it looks like Barry is going to cry.

[Richard Steel]

No, it's not. David did a splendid job summing up the situation
accurately.

[2966 Dead]

On Fri, 11 May 2012 02:45:28 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:

> "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"Mr.B1ack" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message
>>news:guonq7hcpmahmmka8...@4ax.com...
>>> Zeppie ... I was a known atheist in a smallish bible-belt town and
>>> never had one lick of trouble in school related to my religious
>>> (un)beliefs. It's EASY - just don't be a hyperreactive SHIT towards
>>> the religious people. They are humans too, entitled to believe
>>> whatever BS they want to believe ... and it is NOT fatal for an
>>> athiest to hear a prayer or sit through a 'minute of silence' (they
>>> had those when I was there) or see the Bible Club meeting in room 207.
>>>
>>> This student got the treatment because she clearly WAS a shit, didn't
>>> tolerate or respect those who were religious and actively worked
>>> against them.
>>> My sympathies here are with the theists.
>>>
>>.
>>.
>>Many religious people tend to be belligerent towards atheists.
>

> And it's never serious belligerence UNLESS they're treated like
> shits.

Sometimes they are shits.

>
> Been there. Lived it all. Don't even try to tell me "how it is"
> 'cause I *KNOW*.
>

Uh huh. Gonna give us a Danky anecdote now?

>>It's my belief that there are hazards involved in disclosing your
>>non-belief in a hostile environment.
>

> And why would the environment be 'hostile' ??? Who made it so ? The
> vast-majority theists ? Nope. If you want 'hostile' then start
> throwing feces like some dumb-ass monkey. THEN you'll get 'hostile'.

Actually, yeah. Go to any of the atheist groups and see if you can find
one that doesn't have at least a couple of belligerent religionists
trying to disrupt the conversations.

Newspapers, which routinely devote entire pages to Sunday service
listings, are threatened and pressured when they run want ads for
American Humanists. Mark Twain and JK Rowling are favourite targets for
censorship pressure on libraries (in Twain's case, some of it is
misguided PCism).

[David Hartung]

And?

Are you so much a wus, that you cannot stand up to the bullies?

[2966 Dead]

On Fri, 11 May 2012 02:48:24 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:

> 2966 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote:

>
>>On Thu, 10 May 2012 12:45:49 -0400, Sid9 wrote:
>>
>>> "Mr.B1ack" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message
>>> news:guonq7hcpmahmmka8...@4ax.com...
>>>> Zeppie ... I was a known atheist in a smallish bible-belt town and
>>>> never had one lick of trouble in school related to my religious
>>>> (un)beliefs. It's EASY - just don't be a hyperreactive SHIT towards
>>>> the religious people. They are humans too, entitled to believe
>>>> whatever BS they want to believe ... and it is NOT fatal for an
>>>> athiest to hear a prayer or sit through a 'minute of silence' (they
>>>> had those when I was there) or see the Bible Club meeting in room
>>>> 207.
>>>>
>>>> This student got the treatment because she clearly WAS a shit, didn't
>>>> tolerate or respect those who were religious and actively worked
>>>> against them.
>>>> My sympathies here are with the theists.
>>>>
>>> .
>>> .

>>> Many religious people tend to be belligerent towards atheists. It's my

>>> belief that there are hazards involved in disclosing your non-belief
>>> in a hostile environment.
>>

>>And Blackie is scared to death of those violent bigots; so scared he
>>wants all the people he theoretically agrees with to shut up and submit
>>like he does.
>

> Submit to WHAT exactly ? I've never changed my tune, and never felt
> the slightest need to employ coersion or force of law to make the
> theists change theirs.

Begging atheists to never discuss atheism because it might offend a
Christian who might overhear?
>
> Or maybe you're just not happy without a confrontational environment
> ? Love the smell of feces flying around in the morning ? I'll help
> the theists ....

[Steve]

On Fri, 11 May 2012 15:07:48 +0000 (UTC), 2966 Dead <de...@gone.com>

<CHUCKLES> Discussing atheism (not believing in a God) is like
discussing not eating beans. WTF is there to discuss other than beans
and people who do eat beans?

[linuxgal]

Steve wrote:

>
> <CHUCKLES> Discussing atheism (not believing in a God) is like
> discussing not eating beans. WTF is there to discuss other than beans
> and people who do eat beans?

The non-bean-eating organizations never help the poor.

[wy]

Why do you keep inserting commas where no commas are required? Stop
being revisionist about punctuation. Right wingnuts - always wanting
to change the rules they don't like when they can't explain why they
don't like them.

[2966 Dead]

You'll have to ask Mr. Black about that.

[Steve]

On Fri, 11 May 2012 02:48:24 -0400, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:

>2966 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote:
>

>>On Thu, 10 May 2012 12:45:49 -0400, Sid9 wrote:
>>
>>> "Mr.B1ack" <b...@barrk.net> wrote in message
>>> news:guonq7hcpmahmmka8...@4ax.com...
>>>> Zeppie ... I was a known atheist in a smallish bible-belt town and
>>>> never had one lick of trouble in school related to my religious
>>>> (un)beliefs. It's EASY - just don't be a hyperreactive SHIT towards the
>>>> religious people. They are humans too, entitled to believe whatever BS
>>>> they want to believe ... and it is NOT fatal for an athiest to hear a
>>>> prayer or sit through a 'minute of silence' (they had those when I was
>>>> there) or see the Bible Club meeting in room 207.
>>>>
>>>> This student got the treatment because she clearly WAS a shit, didn't
>>>> tolerate or respect those who were religious and actively worked
>>>> against them.
>>>> My sympathies here are with the theists.
>>>>
>>> .
>>> .
>>> Many religious people tend to be belligerent towards atheists.

>>> It's my belief that there are hazards involved in disclosing your
>>> non-belief in a hostile environment.
>>

>>And Blackie is scared to death of those violent bigots; so scared he
>>wants all the people he theoretically agrees with to shut up and submit
>>like he does.
>
> Submit to WHAT exactly ? I've never changed my tune,
> and never felt the slightest need to employ coersion
> or force of law to make the theists change theirs.
>

> Or maybe you're just not happy without a confrontational
> environment ? Love the smell of feces flying around in
> the morning ? I'll help the theists ....

[Barry]

(Delete details of Richard's breakdown.)

He leafs through the latest Reader's Digest coffee-table book, while
sipping a supermarket Californian wine. The drinks are ready on the
leather-padded bar. The Tretchikoff has been dusted. The strains of a
Country and Western album drift through the gated condo's appartment.

The doorbell rings...Steve and Kurt are at the door!


The Latin maid vomits into the waste-paper bin......


Dr. Barry Worthington

[Steve]

On Sat, 12 May 2012 22:05:07 -0400, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:

> There's really nothing useful TO 'discuss'.

My point is that you can't discuss atheism without talking about God
or theists. In other words, talking about your atheism, means talking
about God and/or theists. Zepp implies that his discussions about
atheism is not about theists and their Gods. Not possible.

>The theists ain't
> gonna convert and neither are any athiests. You either believe
> that stuff or you've decided it's bunk and that's that.

In order to not believe in something, you have to have something to
believe does not exist. Thus Atheism is a belief. The only logical
conclusion is to admit that you don't really know and let it go at
that.

> But 'discussion' is harmless. The person in question skipped
> 'discussion' and 'respect' and 'tolerance' and brought in
> the govt goons and lawyers - legal assault and battery against
> the theists apparently simply for daring to be theists.
>
> If an evangelical athiest feels an uncontrollable need to
> "do something" about all the religious people ... there's
> a different tact that can be useful. Don't try to turn 'em
> into athiests, it won't work and will just piss 'em off and
> make 'em dig in even deeper. Instead, 'discuss' and see if
> they can be nudged more towards a 'unitarian' point of view
> or even 'diest' (very popular with our Founders). This can
> take the sharp edge off their religiosity, the one that
> territorial or even power-grubbing denominational ministers
> TRY to create. You'll get a kinder, gentler and broader-
> minded theist as a result.

The student in question said that the banner made her feel “ostracized
and out of place.”

Well guess what, religious affiliation tends to be a private club.
Religious people tend to exclude people who don't share their beliefs
and it seems that these "evangelical atheist" take umbrage with being
excluded.

Immature people like this girl are always going to run home to mommy
and immature fools like her parents and Zepp are always going to run
to their mommy government and whine and cry that nobody wants to be
their friend.

In MHO, such "evangelical atheists" are merely little children who are
miffed about being excluded from the group. It's definitely not about
the little crosses that people put up along the highway where their
loved ones were killed...

[Liberal Here]

On May 13, 5:57 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 May 2012 22:05:07 -0400, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:

> >Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Fri, 11 May 2012 15:07:48 +0000 (UTC), 2966 Dead <d...@gone.com>

> >>wrote:
>
> >>>On Fri, 11 May 2012 02:48:24 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
>

Ummm, stupid??? "Atheism" isn't a "belief." It's a conclusion.

[Liberal Here]

On May 14, 11:11 am, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
> Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:

> >On Sat, 12 May 2012 22:05:07 -0400, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
>

> >>Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On Fri, 11 May 2012 15:07:48 +0000 (UTC), 2966 Dead <d...@gone.com>

> >>>wrote:
>
> >>>>On Fri, 11 May 2012 02:48:24 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
>

>    Not all religions have capital-'G' gods to discuss.

>
> >In other words, talking about your atheism, means talking
> >about God and/or theists.  Zepp implies that his discussions about
> >atheism is not about theists and their Gods.  Not possible.
>

>    Well, they came up with some really silly ideas - so
>    it's worth pointing out WHY it's silly, in hopes they
>    will stop wasting everyones time with it.
>
>    Rarely WORKS ... but if nobody tries there won't be
>    any progress at all.

>
> >>The theists ain't
> >>   gonna convert and neither are any athiests. You either believe
> >>   that stuff or you've decided it's bunk and that's that.
>
> >In order to not believe in something, you have to have something to
> >believe does not exist.  Thus Atheism is a belief.  The only logical
> >conclusion is to admit that you don't really know and let it go at
> >that.
>

>    Too cowardly. Once you find too many holes in an
>    idea, too many flaws, there comes a time to just
>    throw it in the wastebin and not look back.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>   But 'discussion' is harmless. The person in question skipped
> >>   'discussion' and 'respect' and 'tolerance' and brought in
> >>   the govt goons and lawyers - legal assault and battery against
> >>   the theists apparently simply for daring to be theists.
>
> >>   If an evangelical athiest feels an uncontrollable need to
> >>   "do something" about all the religious people ... there's
> >>   a different tact that can be useful. Don't try to turn 'em
> >>   into athiests, it won't work and will just piss 'em off and
> >>   make 'em dig in even deeper. Instead, 'discuss' and see if
> >>   they can be nudged more towards a 'unitarian' point of view
> >>   or even 'diest' (very popular with our Founders). This can
> >>   take the sharp edge off their religiosity, the one that
> >>   territorial or even power-grubbing denominational ministers
> >>   TRY to create. You'll get a kinder, gentler and broader-
> >>   minded theist as a result.
>
> >The student in question said that the banner made her feel “ostracized
> >and out of place.”
>

>    Aww ...... so anyplace in the world where SHE doesn't
>    fit in perfectly deserves to be legally nuked out of
>    existence ? What hubris !

>
> >Well guess what, religious affiliation tends to be a private club.
> >Religious people tend to exclude people who don't share their beliefs
> >and it seems that these "evangelical atheist" take umbrage with being
> >excluded.
>
> >Immature people like this girl are always going to run home to mommy
> >and immature fools like her parents and Zepp are always going to run
> >to their mommy government and whine and cry that nobody wants to be
> >their friend.
>
> >In MHO, such "evangelical atheists" are merely little children who are
> >miffed about being excluded from the group. It's definitely not about
> >the little crosses that people put up along the highway where their
> >loved ones were killed...
>

>    I've taken to using terms like "evangelical etheism"  and
>    "unchristian soldiers" and such when refering to the modern

That's because you're a fuckin' reichtard asshole.



>    militant atheists ... their zeal and disregard for other
>    people or beliefs makes them no different from crusader/jihadist
>    types pushing some particular religion down everyones throats.

Please cite just one example of an atheist attempting to prevent a
religious wacko from attending a church.

>
>    They've managed to MAKE unbelief into another brand of religion
>    for all intents and purposes. Hey ... didja hear how Zeppie
>    was talking to ME - apparently I'm an 'un-PC' atheist, a heretic
>    because I'll cut the theists a lot of slack. Tell me he ain't
>    pushin' something with the look and feel of an orthodox religion !

Opposing religion from affecting public policy is meant to thwart the
intention of religious wackos from being back auto-de-fe festivals in
the town square,

No atheist wants to physically stop a religious wacko from attending
his/her place of devotion but reserves the right to respond to the
reiligious wacko's claim of atheists going to hell with the obvious
point that the wacko's god doesn't exist.

You, being the ass-kissing whiner you are, say that rational people
shouldn't be allowed to speak the truth.

Atheists understand history and realize religion belief and rational
non-belief must be a private matter or a society breaks down into
religious warfare. Religious wackos claim a decline of one's society
occurs because a "liberal society" allows liberals, atheists, Jews,
Muslims, and heretics of all stripes to live....thus Dog turns his
muzzle away. Only purifying a nation will get Dog's favor back.

[Steve]

> Not all religions have capital-'G' gods to discuss.
>

>>In other words, talking about your atheism, means talking
>>about God and/or theists. Zepp implies that his discussions about
>>atheism is not about theists and their Gods. Not possible.
>

> Well, they came up with some really silly ideas - so
> it's worth pointing out WHY it's silly, in hopes they
> will stop wasting everyones time with it.
>
> Rarely WORKS ... but if nobody tries there won't be
> any progress at all.
>

>>>The theists ain't
>>> gonna convert and neither are any athiests. You either believe
>>> that stuff or you've decided it's bunk and that's that.
>>
>>In order to not believe in something, you have to have something to
>>believe does not exist. Thus Atheism is a belief. The only logical
>>conclusion is to admit that you don't really know and let it go at
>>that.
>

> Too cowardly. Once you find too many holes in an
> idea, too many flaws, there comes a time to just
> throw it in the wastebin and not look back.

I never bothered to look it that closely... of course I tossed out
most of the church taught stuff as soon as I heard it, but then,
understanding that nobody has yet explained just how "existence" came
to exist and how reality came to be defined....

But the bottom line is that it just doesn't really matter to me...

>>> But 'discussion' is harmless. The person in question skipped
>>> 'discussion' and 'respect' and 'tolerance' and brought in
>>> the govt goons and lawyers - legal assault and battery against
>>> the theists apparently simply for daring to be theists.
>>>
>>> If an evangelical athiest feels an uncontrollable need to
>>> "do something" about all the religious people ... there's
>>> a different tact that can be useful. Don't try to turn 'em
>>> into athiests, it won't work and will just piss 'em off and
>>> make 'em dig in even deeper. Instead, 'discuss' and see if
>>> they can be nudged more towards a 'unitarian' point of view
>>> or even 'diest' (very popular with our Founders). This can
>>> take the sharp edge off their religiosity, the one that
>>> territorial or even power-grubbing denominational ministers
>>> TRY to create. You'll get a kinder, gentler and broader-
>>> minded theist as a result.
>>
>>The student in question said that the banner made her feel “ostracized
>>and out of place.”
>
>

> Aww ...... so anyplace in the world where SHE doesn't
> fit in perfectly deserves to be legally nuked out of
> existence ? What hubris !
>
>

>>Well guess what, religious affiliation tends to be a private club.
>>Religious people tend to exclude people who don't share their beliefs
>>and it seems that these "evangelical atheist" take umbrage with being
>>excluded.
>>
>>Immature people like this girl are always going to run home to mommy
>>and immature fools like her parents and Zepp are always going to run
>>to their mommy government and whine and cry that nobody wants to be
>>their friend.
>>
>>In MHO, such "evangelical atheists" are merely little children who are
>>miffed about being excluded from the group. It's definitely not about
>>the little crosses that people put up along the highway where their
>>loved ones were killed...
>

> I've taken to using terms like "evangelical etheism" and
> "unchristian soldiers" and such when refering to the modern

> militant atheists ... their zeal and disregard for other
> people or beliefs makes them no different from crusader/jihadist
> types pushing some particular religion down everyones throats.
>

> They've managed to MAKE unbelief into another brand of religion
> for all intents and purposes. Hey ... didja hear how Zeppie
> was talking to ME - apparently I'm an 'un-PC' atheist, a heretic
> because I'll cut the theists a lot of slack. Tell me he ain't
> pushin' something with the look and feel of an orthodox religion !

well, Zepp is just one of those immature little children I mentioned
above and if you don't believe and do exactly as he wishes, you're a
hateful spiteful person.. He needs to believe that he's not the
weird, eccentric, fool that he fears he is.

[Steve]

In order to conclude something, you must first believe something..

[David Hartung]

On 05/11/2012 02:05 AM, Richard Steel wrote:
> On May 10, 9:17 pm, wy<w...@myself.com> wrote:

>> The numbers keep changing.
>
> Nope. About 100 million by the Communists in total. 25 of that
> hundred is Stalin alone.

Wikipedia says about 3 million, where do you get your figures from?

[2966 Dead]

He includes all the Russians who died during and subsequent to Hitler's
invasion.