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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 8, 2012, 3:16:29 PM4/8/12
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"The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
an important part of our diet.
Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
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earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
an important part of our diet.
Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
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http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
de...@dudu.org
Apr 8, 2012, 3:58:55 PM4/8/12
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damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
happens. There is no possible alternative now.
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>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 8, 2012, 7:30:52 PM4/8/12
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On Apr 8, 3:58 pm, d...@dudu.org wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
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> Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> >earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> >statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> >biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> >draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
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> >http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
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> Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> >earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> >statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> >biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> >draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
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> >I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> >sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> >pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> >full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> >understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> >due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> >an important part of our diet.
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> >Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> >Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> >future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> >today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> >use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> There is only one alternative now as it is too late to mitigate the
> damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
> happens. There is no possible alternative now.
Who should go first, the most polluting or the weakest? The key
> >I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> >sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> >pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> >full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> >understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> >due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> >an important part of our diet.
>
> >Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> >Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> >future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> >today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> >use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> There is only one alternative now as it is too late to mitigate the
> damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
> happens. There is no possible alternative now.
populations to ensure the survival of Western Civilization are found
in North America, Europe and Japan. The so-called developing countries
will have to be discarded before it's too late. How can they be so
dumb to be like us?
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 8, 2012, 8:29:04 PM4/8/12
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On Apr 8, 8:08 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I haven't used a car at all since 1992. Who are these johnny-come
> latelies, and WTF invited them?
Who cares, you are just an insect in the great scheme of things. We
are talking steering away from catastrophe and giving people the
option to do something other than wait for Jesus. I started my
campaign also in 1992 and I'm 20 years closer to success. Yes, I also
ride a bike.
On Apr 8, 5:35 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> One prof history emeritus by name of Harold Dorn once wrote:
> "No species has ever been able to multiply without limit. There are two
> biological checks upon a rapid increase in number - a high mortality and
> low fertility. Unlike other biological organisms, man can choose which
> of these checks shall be applied, but one of them must be."
> Quite true.
> At the same time never forget much like fantasy kumbaya and manufactured
> notions of equality the very idea humans are somehow ultimately above
> nature is utopian to begin with. That is, more simply put, not all
> posterity are created equal; and some children are _still_ preferred
> more than others.
> Which of course fundamentally threatens yet another variant of idealism:
> another instance of "hope" over experience perhaps?
> Why not be one with nature?
We could support very high populations if it weren't for all the waste
and lack of planning. The Dutch get along fine with their bikes in a
highly populated land. Bike traffic seems to flow better there than
rush hour in America, which has a much lower population density. Maybe
the Third World needs to discard the Western model altogether and look
for alternatives such as the bike and the preservation of ecosystems.
The cash crops are wiping out forests and creating hunger.
The West has paid a hefty price for development and it's now in
crisis. I can only hope it doesn't bounce back so it'll learn to live
within its means. Perhaps the best hope we can have in the wasteful
rich countries is to have bicycles occupy our main mode of
transportation within healthy communities.
It's not the bike alone of course. Curitiba, Brazil, is a model of
public transportation from a Third World country. You don't need to be
rich to be prosperous.
> I haven't used a car at all since 1992. Who are these johnny-come
> latelies, and WTF invited them?
Who cares, you are just an insect in the great scheme of things. We
are talking steering away from catastrophe and giving people the
option to do something other than wait for Jesus. I started my
campaign also in 1992 and I'm 20 years closer to success. Yes, I also
ride a bike.
On Apr 8, 5:35 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> One prof history emeritus by name of Harold Dorn once wrote:
> "No species has ever been able to multiply without limit. There are two
> biological checks upon a rapid increase in number - a high mortality and
> low fertility. Unlike other biological organisms, man can choose which
> of these checks shall be applied, but one of them must be."
> Quite true.
> At the same time never forget much like fantasy kumbaya and manufactured
> notions of equality the very idea humans are somehow ultimately above
> nature is utopian to begin with. That is, more simply put, not all
> posterity are created equal; and some children are _still_ preferred
> more than others.
> Which of course fundamentally threatens yet another variant of idealism:
> another instance of "hope" over experience perhaps?
> Why not be one with nature?
We could support very high populations if it weren't for all the waste
and lack of planning. The Dutch get along fine with their bikes in a
highly populated land. Bike traffic seems to flow better there than
rush hour in America, which has a much lower population density. Maybe
the Third World needs to discard the Western model altogether and look
for alternatives such as the bike and the preservation of ecosystems.
The cash crops are wiping out forests and creating hunger.
The West has paid a hefty price for development and it's now in
crisis. I can only hope it doesn't bounce back so it'll learn to live
within its means. Perhaps the best hope we can have in the wasteful
rich countries is to have bicycles occupy our main mode of
transportation within healthy communities.
It's not the bike alone of course. Curitiba, Brazil, is a model of
public transportation from a Third World country. You don't need to be
rich to be prosperous.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 8, 2012, 8:34:19 PM4/8/12
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On Apr 8, 7:20 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
> "To be one with nature" is fundamentally against
> their religious belief...(They believe that they are
> the chosen ones by their Gods. )
> If the earth is too crowded, then they are the deserving
> ones...the rest have no place on our planet...no place
> in our world.
Religion AND Western influence play a major role in this catastrophe.
Philippines is undergoing a population explosion due to its Catholic
roots and now must import rice to survive. In China though the major
role is Western influence.
> "To be one with nature" is fundamentally against
> their religious belief...(They believe that they are
> the chosen ones by their Gods. )
> If the earth is too crowded, then they are the deserving
> ones...the rest have no place on our planet...no place
> in our world.
Religion AND Western influence play a major role in this catastrophe.
Philippines is undergoing a population explosion due to its Catholic
roots and now must import rice to survive. In China though the major
role is Western influence.
DogDiesel
Apr 8, 2012, 10:16:36 PM4/8/12
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The Earth aint full.
Nowhere near.
Nowhere near.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 9, 2012, 12:37:44 AM4/9/12
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On Apr 8, 10:16 pm, "DogDiesel" <nos...@nospam.none> wrote:
> The Earth aint full.
>
> Nowhere near.
You are dismissing evidence with casual disregard. We are living
> The Earth aint full.
>
> Nowhere near.
beyond our means and that's a fact evident to all but the blind.
Old Pif
Apr 9, 2012, 7:51:13 AM4/9/12
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> There is only one alternative now as it is too late to mitigate the
> damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
> happens. There is no possible alternative now.
>
The best way to curb the population is to educate women. In the West
> damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
> happens. There is no possible alternative now.
>
where the level of education between the genders is the same the
population is stable. All the growth is due to immigration from the
overpopulated regions of the planet.
The Chinese have been able to control their population with
administrative measures. The real problem is India and similar so
called democracies of the Third World. Their future is very bleak
indeed. Up to now they have been able to survive on international help
but clearly their size has surpassed resources of charitable
organizations combined.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 9, 2012, 10:05:03 AM4/9/12
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democracy with an uneducated population. I agree that the education of
women is key, but democracy stands on the way of many things
necessary. Here in America cheap gas has become a "sacred cow" and
that's polluting the Earth like nothing else. Not only we must drive
everywhere, but we got trucks (SUVs) being used as personal ego
machines.
So this is a chain of incredible proportions but the chain breaks at
the weakest link.
Tracey12
Apr 9, 2012, 10:26:49 AM4/9/12
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There's something I can do
today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
I feel your pain. I understand your concern.
today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Have you considered suicide?
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 9, 2012, 12:13:13 PM4/9/12
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On 4/9/2012 7:51 AM, Old Pif wrote:
> On Apr 8, 3:58 pm, d...@dudu.org wrote:
>
>>
>> There is only one alternative now as it is too late to mitigate the
>> damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
>> happens. There is no possible alternative now.
>>
>
> The best way to curb the population is to educate women. In the West
> where the level of education between the genders is the same the
> population is stable. All the growth is due to immigration from the
> overpopulated regions of the planet.
It will be an economic crash and hunger, NOT from lack of ability to
> On Apr 8, 3:58 pm, d...@dudu.org wrote:
>
>>
>> There is only one alternative now as it is too late to mitigate the
>> damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
>> happens. There is no possible alternative now.
>>
>
> The best way to curb the population is to educate women. In the West
> where the level of education between the genders is the same the
> population is stable. All the growth is due to immigration from the
> overpopulated regions of the planet.
grow food but from a lack of societies to function, Obama is creating
the Societal breakdown.
>
> The Chinese have been able to control their population with
> administrative measures.
Chinese, they will also starve.
> The real problem is India and similar so
> called democracies of the Third World.
suffering a breakdown in society from the Socialist infiltration of
their Democratic/Capitalist society. The family and the education
systems are under attack from the Socialists.
> Their future is very bleak
> indeed. Up to now they have been able to survive on international help
> but clearly their size has surpassed resources of charitable
> organizations combined.
function to maintain our standards of life.
--
*He has the most who is most content with the least* -Diogenes-
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 9, 2012, 12:27:04 PM4/9/12
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On 4/8/2012 10:16 PM, DogDiesel wrote:
> The Earth aint full.
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> Nowhere near.
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Depends on whether you try to feed ALL these people with Socialism...
> The Earth aint full.
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> Nowhere near.
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With Obamaism in charge of us all, yes it is full. It is even too full
for Obamaism to work.... the Socialists need to kill about 25 - 50% of
all Human Life and they have started by killing the tiniest most
vulnerable of all human life.
But rest assured the elderly and those NOT blindly supporting the
Socialist Party will also find life can be short and tough in a
Socialist world.
Tracey12
Apr 9, 2012, 12:27:41 PM4/9/12
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On Apr 9, 11:13 am, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
Thus, Walmart shoppers feed the communist Red Chinese.
<ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
Thus, Walmart shoppers feed the communist Red Chinese.
de...@dudu.org
Apr 9, 2012, 12:30:33 PM4/9/12
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On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:13:13 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 4/9/2012 7:51 AM, Old Pif wrote:
>> On Apr 8, 3:58 pm, d...@dudu.org wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There is only one alternative now as it is too late to mitigate the
>>> damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
>>> happens. There is no possible alternative now.
>>>
>>
>> The best way to curb the population is to educate women. In the West
>> where the level of education between the genders is the same the
>> population is stable. All the growth is due to immigration from the
>> overpopulated regions of the planet.
>
>It will be an economic crash and hunger, NOT from lack of ability to
>grow food but from a lack of societies to function, Obama is creating
>the Societal breakdown.
Oh fuck off you ignorant hate freak asshole. You don't have a fucking
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 4/9/2012 7:51 AM, Old Pif wrote:
>> On Apr 8, 3:58 pm, d...@dudu.org wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There is only one alternative now as it is too late to mitigate the
>>> damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
>>> happens. There is no possible alternative now.
>>>
>>
>> The best way to curb the population is to educate women. In the West
>> where the level of education between the genders is the same the
>> population is stable. All the growth is due to immigration from the
>> overpopulated regions of the planet.
>
>It will be an economic crash and hunger, NOT from lack of ability to
>grow food but from a lack of societies to function, Obama is creating
>the Societal breakdown.
clue.
>
>
>>
>> The Chinese have been able to control their population with
>> administrative measures.
>
>Without the economic system where Capitalists produce to feed the
>Chinese, they will also starve.
>
>> The real problem is India and similar so
>> called democracies of the Third World.
>
>Because they are under attack from Socialism... they will, as we are,
>suffering a breakdown in society from the Socialist infiltration of
>their Democratic/Capitalist society. The family and the education
>systems are under attack from the Socialists.
>
>> Their future is very bleak
>> indeed. Up to now they have been able to survive on international help
>> but clearly their size has surpassed resources of charitable
>> organizations combined.
>
>
>The more Socialism they enact the less the people will be able to
>function to maintain our standards of life.
bullet.
de...@dudu.org
Apr 9, 2012, 12:31:15 PM4/9/12
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On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:27:04 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 4/8/2012 10:16 PM, DogDiesel wrote:
>> The Earth aint full.
>>
>> Nowhere near.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Depends on whether you try to feed ALL these people with Socialism...
>
>
>With Obamaism in charge of us all, yes it is full. It is even too full
>for Obamaism to work.... the Socialists need to kill about 25 - 50% of
>all Human Life and they have started by killing the tiniest most
>vulnerable of all human life.
Which will be you.
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 4/8/2012 10:16 PM, DogDiesel wrote:
>> The Earth aint full.
>>
>> Nowhere near.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Depends on whether you try to feed ALL these people with Socialism...
>
>
>With Obamaism in charge of us all, yes it is full. It is even too full
>for Obamaism to work.... the Socialists need to kill about 25 - 50% of
>all Human Life and they have started by killing the tiniest most
>vulnerable of all human life.
>
>
>But rest assured the elderly and those NOT blindly supporting the
>Socialist Party will also find life can be short and tough in a
>Socialist world.
lsrlts
Apr 9, 2012, 12:38:15 PM4/9/12
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On 4/9/2012 9:30 AM, de...@dudu.org wrote:
>> The more Socialism they enact the less the people will be able to
>> >function to maintain our standards of life.
> Why don't you just go for the grape koolaid now, and save someone a
> bullet.
Are you threatening him?
>> The more Socialism they enact the less the people will be able to
>> >function to maintain our standards of life.
> Why don't you just go for the grape koolaid now, and save someone a
> bullet.
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 9, 2012, 12:41:05 PM4/9/12
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end up... well "Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats
you" Let me just say that I can see you coming, unlike the stupid
Liberal and Socialist useful idiots that you plan to exterminate in the end.
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 9, 2012, 12:42:17 PM4/9/12
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they did before.
Wayne
Apr 9, 2012, 12:53:44 PM4/9/12
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"BeamMeUpScotty" wrote in message
news:4F830DD...@blackhole.nebulax.com...
On 4/8/2012 10:16 PM, DogDiesel wrote:
>> The Earth aint full.
>>
>> Nowhere near.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Depends on whether you try to feed ALL these people with Socialism...
>
>
that once they approve a food for consumption, they control the labeling.
Bob
Apr 9, 2012, 1:02:29 PM4/9/12
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<de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
news:5j36o75ltdsvgak5l...@4ax.com...
You sure wasted our time with this response. Try dealing with the issue
instead of your childish rants.
news:5j36o75ltdsvgak5l...@4ax.com...
instead of your childish rants.
de...@dudu.org
Apr 9, 2012, 1:17:09 PM4/9/12
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world on Obama and "socialism"?
de...@dudu.org
Apr 9, 2012, 1:17:37 PM4/9/12
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On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 09:38:15 -0700, lsrlts <dd...@gnail.invalid>
wrote:
Is someone teaching you how to read?
wrote:
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 9, 2012, 1:37:46 PM4/9/12
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tell you bullying is evil and pass laws against it on the internet and
then they do it and only complain when when someone does it to them.
It's just a sign of a stupid teenager... If you read all the markers you
can see they are at the mental level of a not so bright teenager.
It is Socialism... Social Justice, they can do what ever they want
because they're always correct even when breaking laws, they are always
right, and no matter whet you do you are always wrong and they need to
have government "ONLY" to punish you.
Besides they can't find me... I have too many ways to stop that with
way too many ghosts for them to chase and encryption and more.
Why would I go out in public naked?
Old Pif
Apr 9, 2012, 6:23:24 PM4/9/12
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On Apr 9, 12:13 pm, BeamMeUpScotty
thriving competitive economy and high standard of living. The same is
with Germany which the sole driving economic force in Europe.
Something is wrong with this argument.
<ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
> The more Socialism they enact the less the people will be able to
> function to maintain our standards of life.
>
The Scandinavians have plenty of socialism and at the same time have
>
> The more Socialism they enact the less the people will be able to
> function to maintain our standards of life.
>
thriving competitive economy and high standard of living. The same is
with Germany which the sole driving economic force in Europe.
Something is wrong with this argument.
Old Pif
Apr 9, 2012, 6:36:09 PM4/9/12
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On Apr 9, 10:05 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
switched to autocratic rules after several centuries of democracy. It
looks like as all human institution democracy as well needs to be
reset from time to time when it stops addressing the needs of 99%.
<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> This may be hard to swallow but maybe it's not a good idea to have a
> democracy with an uneducated population.
Democracy per se is not a panacea. The Romans and the Greeks had
>
> This may be hard to swallow but maybe it's not a good idea to have a
> democracy with an uneducated population.
switched to autocratic rules after several centuries of democracy. It
looks like as all human institution democracy as well needs to be
reset from time to time when it stops addressing the needs of 99%.
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 9, 2012, 6:47:57 PM4/9/12
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What will they do without the USA and NATO which is paid for by the USA?
I guess they will all start eating Borsch....
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 9, 2012, 6:53:18 PM4/9/12
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depression and resets the winners and losers and the roles are often
reversed as the "rich" lose capital and the poor become the equals to
the rich.
I see nothing wrong with the businesses going out of business and new
better businesses using newer better ideas, the idiots that tried to
save the giant corporations like Fannie and Freddie and others like GM
were creating new problems NOT old solutions.
Old Pif
Apr 9, 2012, 6:56:10 PM4/9/12
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On Apr 9, 6:53 pm, BeamMeUpScotty
The Pifs do not cry, especially the old ones.
The Pifs do not cry, especially the old ones.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 9, 2012, 7:59:26 PM4/9/12
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On Apr 9, 6:32 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:51 am, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> > On Apr 8, 7:19 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 8:16 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > > > > > On 08/04/2012 11:23 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > > > > .> Why not be one with nature?
> > > .> this catastrophe. Philippines is undergoing a population
> > > .> explosion due to its Catholic roots and now must import
> > > .> rice to survive.
>
> > > .> Now what ?
>
> > > Yes. What now !
>
> > > Singapore and China have taken action to prevent
> > > overpopulation. Chinese scientist has developed a
> > > high yield rice plant..and now China is self sufficient..
> > > it can produce enough rice to feed its rice eating
> > > population.
> > > RAK was talking of over population in other places...
> > > in the Philippines, in Africa, Europe and other places
> > > where they have to import food...have great problem
> > > feeding their people.
>
> > > RAK has suggested a solution...to follow Lao Tze
> > > way...back to nature. It is possible only if people
> > > are willing to give up all the modern luxuries... and
> > > be prepared to turn the clock back to the time when
> > > Lao Tze was born.
> > > Then.. the abundance of nature was more than sufficient
> > > to feed every mouth on earth...
>
> > > With the greed of US ways (destroying grain stock to
> > > keep prices high...using GM methods to destroy natural
> > > way of growing crops....using food products to convert
> > > to oil),..there will be shortage...people in poor countries
> > > will have to go hungry. ..
> > > Sadly, starvation and death among the poor become
> > > unavoidable. May be this is final solution..the way to over
> > > come overpopulation.
>
> > > The new UN human rights:
> > > "The rich has a right to live...the poor have the right
> > > to starvation and death."
>
> > The only way out of this cycle is space exploration to find other
> > planets that would support life like ours. We must worl together to
> > expand humanity through the universe.
>
> Do we have the time...space travel between stars
> may be thousands of year away ?
>
> At the rate of those Muslims and Catholic are
> producing children (8 to 10 per family are the
> norm)...the earth will be full soon.
> Until the day we could leave our star (sun), it
> is wise to have NO more than two children for
> each family unit (husband and wife)...this way we
> could prevent population growth. (Many nation
> have reach this target...Japan, Singapore,
> Germany, ....)
>
> If we cannot do that, then we are doomed ..
> nature will punish us....
Hey, stupidity is not rewarded in the jungle. ;)
I agree with you 100%. The "escape into space" is just a distraction
for matinee goers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nxKniSgh7M
> On Apr 9, 10:51 am, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 8, 7:19 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 9, 8:16 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Apr 8, 7:20 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Apr 9, 5:35 am, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Apr 8, 7:20 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 08/04/2012 11:23 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > > > > .> Why not be one with nature?
>
> > > > > "To be one with nature" is fundamentally against
> > > > > their religious belief...(They believe that they are
> > > > > the chosen ones by their Gods. )
> > > > > If the earth is too crowded, then they are the deserving
> > > > > ones...the rest have no place on our planet...no place
> > > > > in our world.
>
> > > .> Religion AND Western influence play a major role in
> > > > > "To be one with nature" is fundamentally against
> > > > > their religious belief...(They believe that they are
> > > > > the chosen ones by their Gods. )
> > > > > If the earth is too crowded, then they are the deserving
> > > > > ones...the rest have no place on our planet...no place
> > > > > in our world.
>
> > > .> this catastrophe. Philippines is undergoing a population
> > > .> explosion due to its Catholic roots and now must import
> > > .> rice to survive.
>
> > > .> Now what ?
>
> > > Yes. What now !
>
> > > Singapore and China have taken action to prevent
> > > overpopulation. Chinese scientist has developed a
> > > high yield rice plant..and now China is self sufficient..
> > > it can produce enough rice to feed its rice eating
> > > population.
> > > RAK was talking of over population in other places...
> > > in the Philippines, in Africa, Europe and other places
> > > where they have to import food...have great problem
> > > feeding their people.
>
> > > RAK has suggested a solution...to follow Lao Tze
> > > way...back to nature. It is possible only if people
> > > are willing to give up all the modern luxuries... and
> > > be prepared to turn the clock back to the time when
> > > Lao Tze was born.
> > > Then.. the abundance of nature was more than sufficient
> > > to feed every mouth on earth...
>
> > > With the greed of US ways (destroying grain stock to
> > > keep prices high...using GM methods to destroy natural
> > > way of growing crops....using food products to convert
> > > to oil),..there will be shortage...people in poor countries
> > > will have to go hungry. ..
> > > Sadly, starvation and death among the poor become
> > > unavoidable. May be this is final solution..the way to over
> > > come overpopulation.
>
> > > The new UN human rights:
> > > "The rich has a right to live...the poor have the right
> > > to starvation and death."
>
> > The only way out of this cycle is space exploration to find other
> > planets that would support life like ours. We must worl together to
> > expand humanity through the universe.
>
> Do we have the time...space travel between stars
> may be thousands of year away ?
>
> At the rate of those Muslims and Catholic are
> producing children (8 to 10 per family are the
> norm)...the earth will be full soon.
> Until the day we could leave our star (sun), it
> is wise to have NO more than two children for
> each family unit (husband and wife)...this way we
> could prevent population growth. (Many nation
> have reach this target...Japan, Singapore,
> Germany, ....)
>
> If we cannot do that, then we are doomed ..
> nature will punish us....
Hey, stupidity is not rewarded in the jungle. ;)
I agree with you 100%. The "escape into space" is just a distraction
for matinee goers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nxKniSgh7M
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 9, 2012, 8:05:50 PM4/9/12
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On Apr 9, 1:17 pm, d...@dudu.org wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:02:29 -0400, "Bob" <n...@email.address> wrote:
> ><d...@dudu.org> wrote in message
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:02:29 -0400, "Bob" <n...@email.address> wrote:
capitalist and socialist:
"Germany is a Social Democracy, which is both capitalist AND has
socialist systems within it.
(So is America, BTW. Social Security, the Interstates, Medicare,
Medicaid, the Post Office, the ARMY!....are ALL "socialism"....)
Trying to define the world in either/or, good/evil, right/wrong states
will eventually make your head explode. Reality does not work that
way..."
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100208122413AAwZHxd
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 9, 2012, 8:00:18 PM4/9/12
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BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 9, 2012, 9:48:46 PM4/9/12
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food, like a military unit is a well oiled machine, we all do our part
in society. So when you slow down your part, someone will be waiting
to do their part... the more people that slow down the more people will
starve.
linuxgal
Apr 9, 2012, 9:47:07 PM4/9/12
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Old Pif wrote:
>
> Democracy per se is not a panacea. The Romans and the Greeks had
> switched to autocratic rules after several centuries of democracy. It
> looks like as all human institution democracy as well needs to be
> reset from time to time when it stops addressing the needs of 99%.
If you are calling for ripping up the Constitution then you've got sworn
>
> Democracy per se is not a panacea. The Romans and the Greeks had
> switched to autocratic rules after several centuries of democracy. It
> looks like as all human institution democracy as well needs to be
> reset from time to time when it stops addressing the needs of 99%.
enemies.
linuxgal
Apr 9, 2012, 9:49:14 PM4/9/12
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
Sid9
Apr 9, 2012, 10:08:26 PM4/9/12
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"Old Pif" <old...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a48ba60e-9874-4fcd...@v22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
.
.
It's fairly simple.
RRRs only see things in black and white.
It's either "socialism" or it's "capitalism"
The rational concept of "capitalism" taking features from socialism that
improve and enhance the performance of
capitalism is foreign to them.
Economists call our economy and European economies "Mixed Economies" where
elements of both system are employed.
Republicans, tea Partyers, "Conservatives", etc cannot deal with anything
without slapping a label on it.
.
.
.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 10, 2012, 12:20:50 AM4/10/12
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 10, 2012, 12:22:03 AM4/10/12
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 10, 2012, 12:20:15 AM4/10/12
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On Apr 9, 9:48 pm, BeamMeUpScotty
Men of wisdom know that the pace of life is slow. The Rat Race is not
for them.
for them.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 10, 2012, 12:28:13 AM4/10/12
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Lisa Lisa
Apr 10, 2012, 12:29:33 AM4/10/12
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On Apr 8, 3:16 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
>
> I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> an important part of our diet.
>
> Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
Now we go GAY!
<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
>
> I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> an important part of our diet.
>
> Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
> use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
Now we go GAY!
Old Pif
Apr 10, 2012, 12:41:08 AM4/10/12
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On Apr 10, 12:20 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Who says we are calling for ripping up the Constitution?
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 10, 2012, 9:41:56 AM4/10/12
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On Apr 9, 8:12 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 10, 7:32 am, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 09/04/2012 7:01 PM, baldeagle wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 10, 6:47 am, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> One prof history emeritus by name of Harold Dorn once wrote:
>
> > >>>> "No species has ever been able to multiply without limit. There are two
> > >>>> biological checks upon a rapid increase in number - a high mortality and
> > >>>> low fertility. Unlike other biological organisms, man can choose which
> > >>>> of these checks shall be applied, but one of them must be."
>
> > >>>> Quite true.
>
> > >>>> At the same time never forget much like fantasy kumbaya and manufactured
> > >>>> notions of equality the very idea humans are somehow ultimately above
> > >>>> nature is utopian to begin with. That is, more simply put, not all
> > >>>> posterity are created equal; and some children are _still_ preferred
> > >>>> more than others.
>
> > >>>> Which of course fundamentally threatens yet another variant of idealism:
> > >>>> another instance of "hope" over experience perhaps?
> > >> variant - is really sophisticated coping mechanism if you think of it -
> > >> if not ultimate disguise of and for power.
>
> > >> Yes.
>
> > >> And there's perhaps reason why, too, young white men are often the
> > >> loudest crusaders to bash the system in the name of morality.
>
> > > It is idealism, not concern for overpopulation...that drive
> > > young white men (and women) to bash their social system.
>
> > > I am not saying that they bashing is not the right thing to do.
>
> .> Someone once commented the modern West's struggle as
> .> consisting of :
> .> (1)moralists [how dare you you don't take care of the weakest!]
> .> (2) religious types [we're all created equal before God!]
> .> (3) minorities [who have vested interests minimizing differences
> .> for personal gain], and of course,
> .> (4) anarchists [power for me but not for you!]
>
>
>
> > Think about it.
>
> This is my thought:
>
> Struggles...social, religious or political ones...are working
> against nature...against natural forces.
> It is no accident that water flow downward...and hot air rises.
> He who try to stop water from flowing down or try to prevent
> hot air from rising ....is not very clever. (Lao Tze's teaching)
>
> Western struggles...in the last decades... have been
> trying to stop the colonial slaves from becoming free
> nations....and US struggle to re-establish cultural
> colonialism...among nations in the East. They are
> working against forces larger and stronger than
> themselves...they have not been very clever nor very
> successful.
>
> It is better to live in peace with nature...natural forces..
> and when possible, to use nature ..to make our live
> a little better.
The word "developing" itself means that someday they will be like
America. There's no other path to follow other than getting rich,
getting the right toys and leaving communities to rot. I'm talking
about the infamous Gated Communities and SUVs.
Is someone trying to build a happy nation? Northern Europe figures
among the happiest places on Earth. Maybe they are doing a few things
right, even if they should not be a model for, say, Africa. The
bicycle and the freedom to roam free are prominent is in my wish list.
> On Apr 10, 7:32 am, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 09/04/2012 7:01 PM, baldeagle wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 10, 6:47 am, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On 08/04/2012 7:20 PM, baldeagle wrote:
>
> > >>> On Apr 9, 5:35 am, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> On Apr 9, 5:35 am, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> "No species has ever been able to multiply without limit. There are two
> > >>>> biological checks upon a rapid increase in number - a high mortality and
> > >>>> low fertility. Unlike other biological organisms, man can choose which
> > >>>> of these checks shall be applied, but one of them must be."
>
> > >>>> Quite true.
>
> > >>>> At the same time never forget much like fantasy kumbaya and manufactured
> > >>>> notions of equality the very idea humans are somehow ultimately above
> > >>>> nature is utopian to begin with. That is, more simply put, not all
> > >>>> posterity are created equal; and some children are _still_ preferred
> > >>>> more than others.
>
> > >>>> Which of course fundamentally threatens yet another variant of idealism:
> > >>>> another instance of "hope" over experience perhaps?
>
> > >>> .> Why not be one with nature?
>
> > >>> "To be one with nature" is fundamentally against
> > >>> their religious belief...(They believe that they are
> > >>> the chosen ones by their Gods. )
> > >>> If the earth is too crowded, then they are the deserving
> > >>> ones...the rest have no place on our planet...no place
> > >>> in our world.
>
> > >> Modern& manufactured religion if you think about it - in whatever
> > >>> .> Why not be one with nature?
>
> > >>> "To be one with nature" is fundamentally against
> > >>> their religious belief...(They believe that they are
> > >>> the chosen ones by their Gods. )
> > >>> If the earth is too crowded, then they are the deserving
> > >>> ones...the rest have no place on our planet...no place
> > >>> in our world.
>
> > >> variant - is really sophisticated coping mechanism if you think of it -
> > >> if not ultimate disguise of and for power.
>
> > >> Yes.
>
> > >> And there's perhaps reason why, too, young white men are often the
> > >> loudest crusaders to bash the system in the name of morality.
>
> > > It is idealism, not concern for overpopulation...that drive
> > > young white men (and women) to bash their social system.
>
> > > I am not saying that they bashing is not the right thing to do.
>
> .> Someone once commented the modern West's struggle as
> .> consisting of :
> .> (1)moralists [how dare you you don't take care of the weakest!]
> .> (2) religious types [we're all created equal before God!]
> .> (3) minorities [who have vested interests minimizing differences
> .> for personal gain], and of course,
> .> (4) anarchists [power for me but not for you!]
>
>
>
> > Think about it.
>
> This is my thought:
>
> Struggles...social, religious or political ones...are working
> against nature...against natural forces.
> It is no accident that water flow downward...and hot air rises.
> He who try to stop water from flowing down or try to prevent
> hot air from rising ....is not very clever. (Lao Tze's teaching)
>
> Western struggles...in the last decades... have been
> trying to stop the colonial slaves from becoming free
> nations....and US struggle to re-establish cultural
> colonialism...among nations in the East. They are
> working against forces larger and stronger than
> themselves...they have not been very clever nor very
> successful.
>
> It is better to live in peace with nature...natural forces..
> and when possible, to use nature ..to make our live
> a little better.
The word "developing" itself means that someday they will be like
America. There's no other path to follow other than getting rich,
getting the right toys and leaving communities to rot. I'm talking
about the infamous Gated Communities and SUVs.
Is someone trying to build a happy nation? Northern Europe figures
among the happiest places on Earth. Maybe they are doing a few things
right, even if they should not be a model for, say, Africa. The
bicycle and the freedom to roam free are prominent is in my wish list.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 10, 2012, 9:43:36 AM4/10/12
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of Eden. The forbidden fruit...
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 10, 2012, 10:27:52 AM4/10/12
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On Apr 9, 7:26 pm, Peter Olcott <NoS...@OCR4Screen.com> wrote:
> On 4/8/2012 2:27 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> > (This topic carries a subliminal message for the Pope sitting in a
> > palace in Rome)
> > "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> > earth is full
> Be fruitful and multiply and fill the Earth...
> (and when it is full stop filling it already!)
Makes sense to me. But they are waiting for the order to stop and god
is nowhere around!
> On 4/8/2012 2:27 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> > (This topic carries a subliminal message for the Pope sitting in a
> > palace in Rome)
> > "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> > earth is full
> (and when it is full stop filling it already!)
Makes sense to me. But they are waiting for the order to stop and god
is nowhere around!
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 10, 2012, 3:25:29 PM4/10/12
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On Apr 10, 11:51 am, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 4:10 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 10, 6:59 am, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > We must find faster methods for space travel.
>
> > What ....if we failed to invent machine for space
> > travel (between stars) ?
>
> The human mind is limitless. We can and we must.
>
>
>
> > Isn't birth control (limited to two per family ) the
> > interim solution (nations have done this) ?
>
> Procreation is the natural law of life if we have life to continue.
So what's your ideal family size... 2, 5, 9?
I was at one point breeding birds and all of sudden I realized they
were too many. Do we have a master that comes to that realization?
> On Apr 9, 4:10 pm, baldeagle <force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 10, 6:59 am, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > We must find faster methods for space travel.
>
> > What ....if we failed to invent machine for space
> > travel (between stars) ?
>
> The human mind is limitless. We can and we must.
>
>
>
> > Isn't birth control (limited to two per family ) the
> > interim solution (nations have done this) ?
>
> Procreation is the natural law of life if we have life to continue.
So what's your ideal family size... 2, 5, 9?
I was at one point breeding birds and all of sudden I realized they
were too many. Do we have a master that comes to that realization?
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 11, 2012, 11:07:18 AM4/11/12
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On Apr 10, 11:18 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 09/04/2012 7:56 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 6:54 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 08/04/2012 8:09 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>> On Apr 8, 5:35 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> and lack of planning. The Dutch get along fine with their bikes in a
> >>> highly populated land. Bike traffic seems to flow better there than
> >>> rush hour in America, which has a much lower population density. Maybe
> >>> the Third World needs to discard the Western model altogether and look
> >>> for alternatives such as the bike and the preservation of ecosystems.
> >>> The cash crops are wiping out forests and creating hunger.
>
> >>> The West has paid a hefty price for development and it's now in
> >>> crisis. I can only hope it doesn't bounce back so it'll learn to live
> >>> within its means. Perhaps the best hope we can have in the wasteful
> >>> rich countries is to have bicycles occupy our main mode of
> >>> transportation within healthy communities.
>
> >>> It's not the bike alone of course. Curitiba, Brazil, is a model of
> >>> public transportation from a Third World country. You don't need to be
> >>> rich to be prosperous.
>
> >> Look, you still have to make a choice. And some will be more valued than
> >> others in zero-sum game.
>
> >> Why fight Darwin?
>
> >> Why deplore competition when it's selection process?
>
> >> Why not accept some will be valued more than others by whatever perspective?
>
> >> Again, why fight nature? And not learn from the "West's" mistakes?
>
> > If you don't use the Xerox machine, then it makes sense. My concern is
> > that consumption habits made in West are recklessly copied, and this
> > adds to the doomsday scenario.
>
> > For example the approaches followed by Taiwan (scooters) and Singapore
> > (bullet trains) are praiseworthy given their reality not that of the
> > West. And in turn this not the reality for Africa, where the humble
> > bike could the vehicle of liberation. Adaption to the environment is a
> > law of nature.
>
> Then tell us how much more copying you can get if you parrot equality,
> liberty, or democracy. When you "liberate" the rest of the 6 or 7
> billion, how much worse will the world become?
>
> Tell us.
You are rather pessimist about the outcome but it can only be better
than what it is. Liberation means not only democracy but liberation of
Western patterns that are rather unhealthy and unreal. I can almost
hear it: "I got to have a car to be happy." Oh c'mon, this is Africa,
you better be happy with bicycles and bananas. Yes, the West has some
mighty technology such as the Internet that we can take advantage of,
but we all can be happier by roaming free, than by driving a car and
eating McDonald's.
Excuse my copy & paste now:
Bananas and the Revolution
By Peter Schata
There is a long political history behind bananas becoming the fifth
most important food commodity in the world. They were one of the first
products where no expense was spared to create world markets for this
unmistakable fruit, turning whole countries over to banana production,
with stooge dictators controlled by the USA, in what aptly became
known as 'the banana republics'. Half a century after the big
Hollywood-style banana campaigns, the banana reflects ever more
clearly a world economic system concerned only with the kind of
'growth' that means control of the markets and massive profits. What
happens to the environment or to the people, who produce and consume
the fruit of such intentions, appears to be irrelevant.
In our democracies there is little self-determination, and we only
need to look at poverty and unemployment in Europe as well, to raise
doubts as to what is meant by 'free trade'. Such distortions of
language that hoodwink millions of people into accepting their lot,
need to be challenged and overturned. New language means new ideas,
new concepts. This is the revolution. We are this revolution!
Such a revolution is especially important if we are to find ways to
shift from the current forms of egocentric globalisation to a global
society that recognises the actual interrelatedness of all human
beings as well as our interconnectedness with the planet that supports
us.
> On 09/04/2012 7:56 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 6:54 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 08/04/2012 8:09 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>> On Apr 8, 5:35 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 08/04/2012 11:23 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>>>> "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
>
> >>>>> "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> >>>>> earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> >>>>> statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> >>>>> biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> >>>>> draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
> >>>>>http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
>
> >>>>> I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> >>>>> sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> >>>>> pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> >>>>> full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> >>>>> understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> >>>>> due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> >>>>> an important part of our diet.
>
> >>>>> Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> >>>>> Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> >>>>> future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> >>>>> today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> >>>>> use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> >>>>> statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> >>>>> biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> >>>>> draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
> >>>>>http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
>
> >>>>> I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> >>>>> sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> >>>>> pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> >>>>> full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> >>>>> understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> >>>>> due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> >>>>> an important part of our diet.
>
> >>>>> Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> >>>>> Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> >>>>> future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> >>>>> today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> >>>>> use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> >>>> One prof history emeritus by name of Harold Dorn once wrote:
>
> >>>> "No species has ever been able to multiply without limit. There are two
> >>>> biological checks upon a rapid increase in number - a high mortality and
> >>>> low fertility. Unlike other biological organisms, man can choose which
> >>>> of these checks shall be applied, but one of them must be."
>
> >>>> Quite true.
>
> >>>> At the same time never forget much like fantasy kumbaya and manufactured
> >>>> notions of equality the very idea humans are somehow ultimately above
> >>>> nature is utopian to begin with. That is, more simply put, not all
> >>>> posterity are created equal; and some children are _still_ preferred
> >>>> more than others.
>
> >>>> Which of course fundamentally threatens yet another variant of idealism:
> >>>> another instance of "hope" over experience perhaps?
>
>
> >>>> "No species has ever been able to multiply without limit. There are two
> >>>> biological checks upon a rapid increase in number - a high mortality and
> >>>> low fertility. Unlike other biological organisms, man can choose which
> >>>> of these checks shall be applied, but one of them must be."
>
> >>>> Quite true.
>
> >>>> At the same time never forget much like fantasy kumbaya and manufactured
> >>>> notions of equality the very idea humans are somehow ultimately above
> >>>> nature is utopian to begin with. That is, more simply put, not all
> >>>> posterity are created equal; and some children are _still_ preferred
> >>>> more than others.
>
> >>>> Which of course fundamentally threatens yet another variant of idealism:
> >>>> another instance of "hope" over experience perhaps?
>
> >>>> Why not be one with nature?
>
> >>> We could support very high populations if it weren't for all the waste
>
> >>> and lack of planning. The Dutch get along fine with their bikes in a
> >>> highly populated land. Bike traffic seems to flow better there than
> >>> rush hour in America, which has a much lower population density. Maybe
> >>> the Third World needs to discard the Western model altogether and look
> >>> for alternatives such as the bike and the preservation of ecosystems.
> >>> The cash crops are wiping out forests and creating hunger.
>
> >>> The West has paid a hefty price for development and it's now in
> >>> crisis. I can only hope it doesn't bounce back so it'll learn to live
> >>> within its means. Perhaps the best hope we can have in the wasteful
> >>> rich countries is to have bicycles occupy our main mode of
> >>> transportation within healthy communities.
>
> >>> It's not the bike alone of course. Curitiba, Brazil, is a model of
> >>> public transportation from a Third World country. You don't need to be
> >>> rich to be prosperous.
>
> >> Look, you still have to make a choice. And some will be more valued than
> >> others in zero-sum game.
>
> >> Why fight Darwin?
>
> >> Why deplore competition when it's selection process?
>
> >> Why not accept some will be valued more than others by whatever perspective?
>
> >> Again, why fight nature? And not learn from the "West's" mistakes?
>
> > If you don't use the Xerox machine, then it makes sense. My concern is
> > that consumption habits made in West are recklessly copied, and this
> > adds to the doomsday scenario.
>
> > For example the approaches followed by Taiwan (scooters) and Singapore
> > (bullet trains) are praiseworthy given their reality not that of the
> > West. And in turn this not the reality for Africa, where the humble
> > bike could the vehicle of liberation. Adaption to the environment is a
> > law of nature.
>
> Then tell us how much more copying you can get if you parrot equality,
> liberty, or democracy. When you "liberate" the rest of the 6 or 7
> billion, how much worse will the world become?
>
> Tell us.
You are rather pessimist about the outcome but it can only be better
than what it is. Liberation means not only democracy but liberation of
Western patterns that are rather unhealthy and unreal. I can almost
hear it: "I got to have a car to be happy." Oh c'mon, this is Africa,
you better be happy with bicycles and bananas. Yes, the West has some
mighty technology such as the Internet that we can take advantage of,
but we all can be happier by roaming free, than by driving a car and
eating McDonald's.
Excuse my copy & paste now:
Bananas and the Revolution
By Peter Schata
There is a long political history behind bananas becoming the fifth
most important food commodity in the world. They were one of the first
products where no expense was spared to create world markets for this
unmistakable fruit, turning whole countries over to banana production,
with stooge dictators controlled by the USA, in what aptly became
known as 'the banana republics'. Half a century after the big
Hollywood-style banana campaigns, the banana reflects ever more
clearly a world economic system concerned only with the kind of
'growth' that means control of the markets and massive profits. What
happens to the environment or to the people, who produce and consume
the fruit of such intentions, appears to be irrelevant.
In our democracies there is little self-determination, and we only
need to look at poverty and unemployment in Europe as well, to raise
doubts as to what is meant by 'free trade'. Such distortions of
language that hoodwink millions of people into accepting their lot,
need to be challenged and overturned. New language means new ideas,
new concepts. This is the revolution. We are this revolution!
Such a revolution is especially important if we are to find ways to
shift from the current forms of egocentric globalisation to a global
society that recognises the actual interrelatedness of all human
beings as well as our interconnectedness with the planet that supports
us.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 11, 2012, 11:39:48 AM4/11/12
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On Apr 11, 11:07 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
All we got to do is to get the Third World on board an forget about
Western solutions. Then American engineers will face the fact that
they have to work for their money. Cuba has such a solution but it's
the wrong model: NO BANANAS and NO ROAMING FREE.
This is biking in North and West Africa. Notice that no locals are
riding a bike:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOzl_hGRiko&feature=fvwrel
Nice music, right?
Western solutions. Then American engineers will face the fact that
they have to work for their money. Cuba has such a solution but it's
the wrong model: NO BANANAS and NO ROAMING FREE.
This is biking in North and West Africa. Notice that no locals are
riding a bike:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOzl_hGRiko&feature=fvwrel
Nice music, right?
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 11, 2012, 5:16:20 PM4/11/12
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On Apr 11, 4:40 pm, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
> 1) The world IS full - overfull actually.
>
> 2) Not enough people are gonna change their
> ways anywhere near FAST enough to keep
> it from becoming far more, insanely more,
> over-full. The technology to extend the
> food supply and provide the basic needs
> of modern civilization will not reach
> the necessary levels and penetration
> before the world is far more, insanely
> more, over-full.
>
> 3) Mass starvation/dehydration, resource wars,
> death on scales not seen since the bubonic
> plagues .... no escape, so just count on it
> and plan accordingly.
>
> Even with moderately austere lifestyles, I really
> can't see this planet supporting more than two
> billion people for the long term. Maybe not more
> than one billion. So, that leaves HOW many billion
> who are gonna die-off before the new sustainable
> equilibrium is reached ?
>
> 'Nature' WILL take care of the population bubble
> we can't/won't take care of. But, remember that
> 'Nature' is a BITCH - and her fixes won't be
> pretty or nice or equitable or fair or pleasant.
> In many places it'll mean waking up to the smell
> of dead bodies ... and wondering which ones you'll
> be cutting up for dinner, until it's YOUR turn.
> That's how 'Nature' does business.
Yes, and living in denial won't solve the problem:
On Apr 11, 12:37 pm, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> > linuxgal wrote:
> >> getting full.
>
> >>http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/4990293803_4ce01eeaf2.jpg
>
> >Maybe I should. It's funny that the crowded places often afford a
> >great quality of life, such as Germany. But it requires a lot of
> >legislation and cooperation.
>
> Germany isn't crowded.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPBh1aZm4jM
>
> http://www.bibb.de/images/inhalte/a21_ausbildungsmarkt-aufschwung_en_...
>
> While ignorance, on the one hand, may be bliss,
> otoh, it may, apparently, be a sort of hell.
>
> To think Earth is full is a funny thought to me.
> People, I think, are often full, of many things.
> Preconceived and strange-conceived n'oceans.
>
> Earth is mostly covered with water.
> The water might be full. Except it isn't.
>
> Earth's land-mass isn't near full.
> People are condensed into about 10% of the land.
>
> http://geography.about.com/od/populationgeography/a/popdensity.htm
>
> The site also reports that 90% of all people
> live north of the equator. Which, apparently, means
> that south of the equater is, like, totally empty, mostly.
>
> Now what?
> Now, those who think Earth is full
> might want to rethink their thoughts.
>
> Probably however, they shall remain full
> of their own brand of fullness.
>
> Taoism, Buddhism and their daughter, Zen,
> tend to lean up on emptiness.
>
> This concept, ore realization, seams to escape
> those whose glass is quite a bit more than one-half.
> They of'ten-k runneth over.
>
> Over-flowing, with their fullness,
> people speak and write of what they encounter.
> Some see shit all over their world.
>
> Some see beauty.
> Others ugly.
>
> Washington State is a great state
> of consciousness for One. Germany another.
> Florida? Their jury hangs on ballot votes at times.
>
> Klesha could pertain.
>
> Whether the self-proclaimed TMonk poster
> knows of Buddhism, Taoism or Zen
> is something of a mystery.
>
> Exactly what.
> Inexactly what.
>
> - hmmm
I think you are funny. Everything is cool and the TibetanMonkey is a
dissatisfied monkey. Yeah sure.
You are wrong though. You rely on wishful thinking not fact or
numbers. Numbers don't lie:
China would have a population of 2,207 billion if it had the density
of Germany and the whole Earth would crumble under such demand.
Luckily China has been smarter than you and today and only has 1,350
billion people. Good for them.
Germany's population density: 593 per square mile.
China's population density: 363 per square mile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_population_density
Are you playing Three Wise Monkeys?
> 1) The world IS full - overfull actually.
>
> 2) Not enough people are gonna change their
> ways anywhere near FAST enough to keep
> it from becoming far more, insanely more,
> over-full. The technology to extend the
> food supply and provide the basic needs
> of modern civilization will not reach
> the necessary levels and penetration
> before the world is far more, insanely
> more, over-full.
>
> 3) Mass starvation/dehydration, resource wars,
> death on scales not seen since the bubonic
> plagues .... no escape, so just count on it
> and plan accordingly.
>
> Even with moderately austere lifestyles, I really
> can't see this planet supporting more than two
> billion people for the long term. Maybe not more
> than one billion. So, that leaves HOW many billion
> who are gonna die-off before the new sustainable
> equilibrium is reached ?
>
> 'Nature' WILL take care of the population bubble
> we can't/won't take care of. But, remember that
> 'Nature' is a BITCH - and her fixes won't be
> pretty or nice or equitable or fair or pleasant.
> In many places it'll mean waking up to the smell
> of dead bodies ... and wondering which ones you'll
> be cutting up for dinner, until it's YOUR turn.
> That's how 'Nature' does business.
Yes, and living in denial won't solve the problem:
On Apr 11, 12:37 pm, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> > linuxgal wrote:
> >> TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
> >> > Makes sense to me. But they are waiting for the order to stop and god
> >> > is nowhere around!
>
> >> You should visit the State of Washington if you feel the Earth is
>
> >> > Makes sense to me. But they are waiting for the order to stop and god
> >> > is nowhere around!
>
> >> getting full.
>
> >>http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/4990293803_4ce01eeaf2.jpg
>
> >Maybe I should. It's funny that the crowded places often afford a
> >great quality of life, such as Germany. But it requires a lot of
> >legislation and cooperation.
>
> Germany isn't crowded.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPBh1aZm4jM
>
> http://www.bibb.de/images/inhalte/a21_ausbildungsmarkt-aufschwung_en_...
>
> While ignorance, on the one hand, may be bliss,
> otoh, it may, apparently, be a sort of hell.
>
> To think Earth is full is a funny thought to me.
> People, I think, are often full, of many things.
> Preconceived and strange-conceived n'oceans.
>
> Earth is mostly covered with water.
> The water might be full. Except it isn't.
>
> Earth's land-mass isn't near full.
> People are condensed into about 10% of the land.
>
> http://geography.about.com/od/populationgeography/a/popdensity.htm
>
> The site also reports that 90% of all people
> live north of the equator. Which, apparently, means
> that south of the equater is, like, totally empty, mostly.
>
> Now what?
> Now, those who think Earth is full
> might want to rethink their thoughts.
>
> Probably however, they shall remain full
> of their own brand of fullness.
>
> Taoism, Buddhism and their daughter, Zen,
> tend to lean up on emptiness.
>
> This concept, ore realization, seams to escape
> those whose glass is quite a bit more than one-half.
> They of'ten-k runneth over.
>
> Over-flowing, with their fullness,
> people speak and write of what they encounter.
> Some see shit all over their world.
>
> Some see beauty.
> Others ugly.
>
> Washington State is a great state
> of consciousness for One. Germany another.
> Florida? Their jury hangs on ballot votes at times.
>
> Klesha could pertain.
>
> Whether the self-proclaimed TMonk poster
> knows of Buddhism, Taoism or Zen
> is something of a mystery.
>
> Exactly what.
> Inexactly what.
>
> - hmmm
I think you are funny. Everything is cool and the TibetanMonkey is a
dissatisfied monkey. Yeah sure.
You are wrong though. You rely on wishful thinking not fact or
numbers. Numbers don't lie:
China would have a population of 2,207 billion if it had the density
of Germany and the whole Earth would crumble under such demand.
Luckily China has been smarter than you and today and only has 1,350
billion people. Good for them.
Germany's population density: 593 per square mile.
China's population density: 363 per square mile.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_population_density
Are you playing Three Wise Monkeys?
Marvin the Martian
Apr 11, 2012, 9:24:11 PM4/11/12
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On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:58:55 -0600, deep wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>"The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
>>earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
>>statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and biology.
>>There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all draw the
>>same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>>
>>http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html?
eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
combined...
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>"The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
>>earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
>>statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and biology.
>>There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all draw the
>>same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>>
eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
>>
>>I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common sense.
>>The question is what do we do about it. One option is make pregnant
>>mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is full, and
>>that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her understand that
>>cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime due to the scarcity
>>of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become an important part of
>>our diet.
>>
>>Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
>>Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
>>future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do today
>>and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or use. Tell
>>you what, I won't drive a car today.
>>
>>I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common sense.
>>The question is what do we do about it. One option is make pregnant
>>mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is full, and
>>that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her understand that
>>cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime due to the scarcity
>>of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become an important part of
>>our diet.
>>
>>Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
>>Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
>>future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do today
>>and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or use. Tell
>>you what, I won't drive a car today.
>>
> There is only one alternative now as it is too late to mitigate the
> damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
> happens. There is no possible alternative now.
Now that you've stated that you're worse than Hitler, Stalin and Mao
> damage, and that is billions will die. It has to happen. It always
> happens. There is no possible alternative now.
combined...
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 12, 2012, 11:23:04 AM4/12/12
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PREVENTION and SMART FOOD POLICIES. How can you turn CORN into fuel
and not think of all the people hungry in the world? And do we really
need all the MEAT? I don't think so. But that's only my humble
opinion. How about RIDING A BIKE? That's the best you can do for the
planet:
On Apr 11, 8:40 pm, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > China would have a population of 2,207 billion if it had the density
> > of Germany and the whole Earth would crumble under such demand.
> > Luckily China has been smarter than you and today and only has 1,350
> > billion people. Good for them.
>
> A lot of China looks like outer Mongolia. You can't extrapolate like
>
> > China would have a population of 2,207 billion if it had the density
> > of Germany and the whole Earth would crumble under such demand.
> > Luckily China has been smarter than you and today and only has 1,350
> > billion people. Good for them.
>
> that. People don't live in such densities on arid steppes.
Parts of America are not very friendly either, ie. Alaska. But my
point is that Germany has a high population density while keeping a
high standard of living. America has 83 people per square mile, so
that's empty. I figure Holland is pretty stable even though it
sustains 1046 people per square mile. Someone riding a bike is not
nearly the same as someone driving an SUV.
Marvin the Martian
Apr 12, 2012, 11:50:42 AM4/12/12
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Smart People? Dumb people? Anyone who gets in your way?
I hear the plan is to get rid of all but 500 million people. That's some
6 billion or more. I want to know who's on your murder list.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 12, 2012, 11:17:26 PM4/12/12
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Christians live by the credo "multiply and conquer."
Wait, every Christian sect believes only them will survive Armageddon,
so I think God is the mass murderer here.
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 12, 2012, 11:39:13 PM4/12/12
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Social Justice....
God's simply balancing the scales, and creating an equal outcome.
linuxgal
Apr 13, 2012, 8:01:22 AM4/13/12
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BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> Since you're "for" killing babies in the uterus, maybe God is calling it
> Social Justice....
>
The more liberals resort to abortion, the fewer red diaper doper babies
> Since you're "for" killing babies in the uterus, maybe God is calling it
> Social Justice....
>
we'll have to grow up and become college professors. Now if we can only
get the Obama Administration to cease and desist on their War Against
Mothers.
Ramon F. Herrera
Apr 13, 2012, 8:06:53 AM4/13/12
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The creators of Linux (trust me, I know them) are on the side opposite
you, not to mention Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, the Google folks, etc.,
etc.
In fact people with higher intellect tend to be liberals.
-Ramon
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-04-01/swing-states-poll/53930684/1
Ramon F. Herrera
Apr 13, 2012, 8:08:26 AM4/13/12
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On Apr 13, 7:01 am, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> > Since you're "for" killing babies in the uterus, maybe God is calling it
> > Social Justice....
>
> The more liberals resort to abortion, the fewer red diaper doper babies
> we'll have to grow up and become college professors.
Ah! Not only ignorant, but proud of it!
> > Since you're "for" killing babies in the uterus, maybe God is calling it
> > Social Justice....
>
> The more liberals resort to abortion, the fewer red diaper doper babies
> we'll have to grow up and become college professors.
-RFH
linuxgal
Apr 13, 2012, 8:47:21 AM4/13/12
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Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>
> Linux Gal:
>
> The creators of Linux (trust me, I know them) are on the side opposite
> you, not to mention Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, the Google folks, etc.,
> etc.
That means nothing to me, other than a silly demonstration of the
>
> Linux Gal:
>
> The creators of Linux (trust me, I know them) are on the side opposite
> you, not to mention Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, the Google folks, etc.,
> etc.
argument from authority. I don't treat people in groups, but on an
individual basis. I don't consider political positions on the basis of
what hobbies the person who holds them happens to have on the side, be
it collaborating on open source, or working on Apple TV.
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 13, 2012, 9:30:03 AM4/13/12
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Liberal-Socialists have been doing for year after year....
The simple fact is Obama and Liberal-Socialists have been attacking all
Americans, trying to steal our freedom and redistribute our wealth.
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 13, 2012, 9:40:03 AM4/13/12
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On 4/13/2012 8:06 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> On Apr 13, 7:01 am, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>> Since you're "for" killing babies in the uterus, maybe God is calling it
>>> Social Justice....
>>
>> The more liberals resort to abortion, the fewer red diaper doper babies
>> we'll have to grow up and become college professors. Now if we can only
>> get the Obama Administration to cease and desist on their War Against
>> Mothers.
>
> Linux Gal:
>
> The creators of Linux (trust me, I know them) are on the side opposite
> you, not to mention Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, the Google folks, etc.,
> etc.
>
> In fact people with higher intellect tend to be liberals.
Ramon.... C'mon we already see Obama and his education is a facade, and
> On Apr 13, 7:01 am, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>> BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>> Since you're "for" killing babies in the uterus, maybe God is calling it
>>> Social Justice....
>>
>> The more liberals resort to abortion, the fewer red diaper doper babies
>> we'll have to grow up and become college professors. Now if we can only
>> get the Obama Administration to cease and desist on their War Against
>> Mothers.
>
> Linux Gal:
>
> The creators of Linux (trust me, I know them) are on the side opposite
> you, not to mention Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, the Google folks, etc.,
> etc.
>
> In fact people with higher intellect tend to be liberals.
he's as far left as can be.
Your bullshit isn't believable. What you should have said (had you been
interested in truth) is that higher education and its propaganda and
indoctrination which idiot Liberals are exceptionally vulnerable to,
means they get a fake education that is actually programming them into
the cult of the Progressives.
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 13, 2012, 10:11:34 AM4/13/12
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Obama is living proof that you're living in la-la land.
College is a cult that rewards its own members like the KKK looks after
its members first.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 13, 2012, 10:12:31 AM4/13/12
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On Apr 12, 11:39 pm, BeamMeUpScotty
The Christians are a funny species. They want kids to be born into a
miserable world and then deny them healthcare. They can't even play
outside or ride a bike. Kids should be told "Welcome to the Jungle."
miserable world and then deny them healthcare. They can't even play
outside or ride a bike. Kids should be told "Welcome to the Jungle."
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 13, 2012, 10:23:46 AM4/13/12
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or kill them and not let them be children because that might damage the
planet....
If allowed to follow NATURE and be BORN... Little boys and girls can't
be who they are, they have to be some kind of asexual group that have to
act the same or you punish and drug them to get behavior you want.
*So much for individuality*
lsrlts
Apr 13, 2012, 11:53:30 AM4/13/12
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On 4/13/2012 5:06 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> people with higher intellect tend to be liberals.
Then there's...you...
> people with higher intellect tend to be liberals.
lsrlts
Apr 13, 2012, 11:53:47 AM4/13/12
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On 4/13/2012 5:08 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> Not only ignorant, but proud of it!
Nice sig, keep using it.
> Not only ignorant, but proud of it!
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 13, 2012, 3:52:57 PM4/13/12
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On Apr 13, 10:23 am, BeamMeUpScotty
Wait, Conservatives give them an electric Hummer and Liberals give
them an old fashioned bike. That's my casual observation anyway.
them an old fashioned bike. That's my casual observation anyway.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 13, 2012, 4:21:11 PM4/13/12
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On Apr 13, 3:52 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Is this a future soccer mom?
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00SesQaRwFrIkC/Electric-Hummer-Toy-Car.jpg
Is the girl being taught to be responsible toward others and the
environment? Liberals tend to ask the tough questions.
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00SesQaRwFrIkC/Electric-Hummer-Toy-Car.jpg
Is the girl being taught to be responsible toward others and the
environment? Liberals tend to ask the tough questions.
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 13, 2012, 7:02:09 PM4/13/12
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BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 13, 2012, 7:05:16 PM4/13/12
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about what a GM electric car is.
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 14, 2012, 9:14:33 AM4/14/12
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On Apr 13, 8:39 pm, rst0 <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 3:52 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > the third world should better be content with themselves
> > rather than envy & emulate.
>
> If there is no greed, we wouldn't be human. And humanity would still
> be in the stone age.
>
>
>
> > Good advice, and I agree.
>
> No, it's not good advice. We all must strife for the best in
> everything.
Fat dumb consumers in the West are hardly worth emulating. I think we
should look back not to the stone age but to the hunting gathering era
before we became sedentary. The capacity to ROAM FREE is essential to
a well balanced human being. I'm talking about getting on a bicycle
and exploring your world. The Western diet --mostly junk food-- is all
wrong too. So everything needs screening.
> On Apr 13, 3:52 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 11/04/2012 11:05 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > > You are rather pessimist about the outcome but it can only be better
> > > than what it is. Liberation means not only democracy but liberation of
> > > Western patterns that are rather unhealthy and unreal. I can almost
> > > hear it: "I got to have a car to be happy." Oh c'mon, this is Africa,
> > > you better be happy with bicycles and bananas. Yes, the West has some
> > > mighty technology such as the Internet that we can take advantage of,
> > > but we all can be happier by roaming free, than by driving a car and
> > > eating McDonald's.
>
> > > Excuse my copy& paste now:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 11/04/2012 11:05 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > > You are rather pessimist about the outcome but it can only be better
> > > than what it is. Liberation means not only democracy but liberation of
> > > Western patterns that are rather unhealthy and unreal. I can almost
> > > hear it: "I got to have a car to be happy." Oh c'mon, this is Africa,
> > > you better be happy with bicycles and bananas. Yes, the West has some
> > > mighty technology such as the Internet that we can take advantage of,
> > > but we all can be happier by roaming free, than by driving a car and
> > > eating McDonald's.
>
>
> > > Bananas and the Revolution
> > > By Peter Schata
> > > There is a long political history behind bananas becoming the fifth
> > > most important food commodity in the world. They were one of the first
> > > products where no expense was spared to create world markets for this
> > > unmistakable fruit, turning whole countries over to banana production,
> > > with stooge dictators controlled by the USA, in what aptly became
> > > known as 'the banana republics'. Half a century after the big
> > > Hollywood-style banana campaigns, the banana reflects ever more
> > > clearly a world economic system concerned only with the kind of
> > > 'growth' that means control of the markets and massive profits. What
> > > happens to the environment or to the people, who produce and consume
> > > the fruit of such intentions, appears to be irrelevant.
>
> > > In our democracies there is little self-determination, and we only
> > > need to look at poverty and unemployment in Europe as well, to raise
> > > doubts as to what is meant by 'free trade'. Such distortions of
> > > language that hoodwink millions of people into accepting their lot,
> > > need to be challenged and overturned. New language means new ideas,
> > > new concepts. This is the revolution. We are this revolution!
>
> > > Such a revolution is especially important if we are to find ways to
> > > shift from the current forms of egocentric globalisation to a global
> > > society that recognises the actual interrelatedness of all human
> > > beings as well as our interconnectedness with the planet that supports
> > > us.
>
> > So all things considered it may not be bad idea if most of
> > > Bananas and the Revolution
> > > By Peter Schata
> > > There is a long political history behind bananas becoming the fifth
> > > most important food commodity in the world. They were one of the first
> > > products where no expense was spared to create world markets for this
> > > unmistakable fruit, turning whole countries over to banana production,
> > > with stooge dictators controlled by the USA, in what aptly became
> > > known as 'the banana republics'. Half a century after the big
> > > Hollywood-style banana campaigns, the banana reflects ever more
> > > clearly a world economic system concerned only with the kind of
> > > 'growth' that means control of the markets and massive profits. What
> > > happens to the environment or to the people, who produce and consume
> > > the fruit of such intentions, appears to be irrelevant.
>
> > > In our democracies there is little self-determination, and we only
> > > need to look at poverty and unemployment in Europe as well, to raise
> > > doubts as to what is meant by 'free trade'. Such distortions of
> > > language that hoodwink millions of people into accepting their lot,
> > > need to be challenged and overturned. New language means new ideas,
> > > new concepts. This is the revolution. We are this revolution!
>
> > > Such a revolution is especially important if we are to find ways to
> > > shift from the current forms of egocentric globalisation to a global
> > > society that recognises the actual interrelatedness of all human
> > > beings as well as our interconnectedness with the planet that supports
> > > us.
>
> > the third world should better be content with themselves
> > rather than envy & emulate.
>
> If there is no greed, we wouldn't be human. And humanity would still
> be in the stone age.
>
>
>
> > Good advice, and I agree.
>
> No, it's not good advice. We all must strife for the best in
> everything.
Fat dumb consumers in the West are hardly worth emulating. I think we
should look back not to the stone age but to the hunting gathering era
before we became sedentary. The capacity to ROAM FREE is essential to
a well balanced human being. I'm talking about getting on a bicycle
and exploring your world. The Western diet --mostly junk food-- is all
wrong too. So everything needs screening.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 14, 2012, 9:12:47 AM4/14/12
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On Apr 13, 7:05 pm, BeamMeUpScotty
> >http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00SesQaRwFrIkC/Electric-Hummer-Toy...
SUV. Liberals tend to live in San Francisco and Seattle, ride a bike
and drink coffee at Starbucks.
But that's just my casual observation.
>
> > Is the girl being taught to be responsible toward others and the
> > environment? Liberals tend to ask the tough questions.
>
> Conservatives like electric cars.... for the kids toys. Which is just
> about what a GM electric car is.
>
> --
> *He has the most who is most content with the least* -Diogenes-
Conservatives tend to live in Texas, attend a megachurch and drive an
> > Is the girl being taught to be responsible toward others and the
> > environment? Liberals tend to ask the tough questions.
>
> Conservatives like electric cars.... for the kids toys. Which is just
> about what a GM electric car is.
>
> --
> *He has the most who is most content with the least* -Diogenes-
SUV. Liberals tend to live in San Francisco and Seattle, ride a bike
and drink coffee at Starbucks.
But that's just my casual observation.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 14, 2012, 10:29:26 AM4/14/12
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On Apr 14, 9:05 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
This is what I'm talking about. Mind you, it's only part of the
equation since "burning the calories" is just as important.
Interesting that to the 7 billion people on this planet, we must add
our livestock...
http://www.ted.com/talks/mark_bittman_on_what_s_wrong_with_what_we_eat.html
equation since "burning the calories" is just as important.
Interesting that to the 7 billion people on this planet, we must add
our livestock...
http://www.ted.com/talks/mark_bittman_on_what_s_wrong_with_what_we_eat.html
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 15, 2012, 10:25:08 AM4/15/12
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> there's not remotely enough 'free range' within
> which to 'roam free'.
>
> Guess we'll have to wait until after the great
> attrition is finished and the pop is more like
> 250,000,000 max ....
I meant we need to roam free, not the cattle. But perhaps we can adopt
a cow instead of a stupid dog and walk it around. But the Chinese do
not find the dog stupid.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 15, 2012, 10:24:51 AM4/15/12
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On Apr 14, 8:43 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 14/04/2012 8:55 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> >>>> On 09/04/2012 7:56 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Apr 9, 6:54 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 08/04/2012 8:09 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> On Apr 8, 5:35 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> >>>>>>>> One prof history emeritus by name of Harold Dorn once wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> "No species has ever been able to multiply without limit. There are two
> >>>>>>>> biological checks upon a rapid increase in number - a high mortality and
> >>>>>>>> low fertility. Unlike other biological organisms, man can choose which
> >>>>>>>> of these checks shall be applied, but one of them must be."
>
> >>>>>>>> Quite true.
>
> >>>>>>>> At the same time never forget much like fantasy kumbaya and manufactured
> >>>>>>>> notions of equality the very idea humans are somehow ultimately above
> >>>>>>>> nature is utopian to begin with. That is, more simply put, not all
> >>>>>>>> posterity are created equal; and some children are _still_ preferred
> >>>>>>>> more than others.
>
> >>>>>>>> Which of course fundamentally threatens yet another variant of idealism:
> >>>>>>>> another instance of "hope" over experience perhaps?
>
> >>>>>>>> Why not be one with nature?
>
> >>>>>>> We could support very high populations if it weren't for all the waste
> >>>>>>> and lack of planning. The Dutch get along fine with their bikes in a
> >>>>>>> highly populated land. Bike traffic seems to flow better there than
> >>>>>>> rush hour in America, which has a much lower population density. Maybe
> >>>>>>> the Third World needs to discard the Western model altogether and look
> >>>>>>> for alternatives such as the bike and the preservation of ecosystems.
> >>>>>>> The cash crops are wiping out forests and creating hunger.
>
> >>>>>>> The West has paid a hefty price for development and it's now in
> >>>>>>> crisis. I can only hope it doesn't bounce back so it'll learn to live
> >>>>>>> within its means. Perhaps the best hope we can have in the wasteful
> >>>>>>> rich countries is to have bicycles occupy our main mode of
> >>>>>>> transportation within healthy communities.
>
> >>>>>>> It's not the bike alone of course. Curitiba, Brazil, is a model of
> >>>>>>> public transportation from a Third World country. You don't need to be
> >>>>>>> rich to be prosperous.
>
> >>>>>> Look, you still have to make a choice. And some will be more valued than
> >>>>>> others in zero-sum game.
>
> >>>>>> Why fight Darwin?
>
> >>>>>> Why deplore competition when it's selection process?
>
> >>>>>> Why not accept some will be valued more than others by whatever perspective?
>
> >>>>>> Again, why fight nature? And not learn from the "West's" mistakes?
>
> >>>>> If you don't use the Xerox machine, then it makes sense. My concern is
> >>>>> that consumption habits made in West are recklessly copied, and this
> >>>>> adds to the doomsday scenario.
>
> >>>>> For example the approaches followed by Taiwan (scooters) and Singapore
> >>>>> (bullet trains) are praiseworthy given their reality not that of the
> >>>>> West. And in turn this not the reality for Africa, where the humble
> >>>>> bike could the vehicle of liberation. Adaption to the environment is a
> >>>>> law of nature.
>
> >>>> Then tell us how much more copying you can get if you parrot equality,
> >>>> liberty, or democracy. When you "liberate" the rest of the 6 or 7
> >>>> billion, how much worse will the world become?
>
> >>>> Tell us.
>
> But still not content. Why not content. I even thought that's problem
> contentment had with materialism anyway isn't it?
>
> Wow!
>
> Besides what different paths would these saints have choosen -
> Materialism? Power?? Or even.... Bananas????
>
> Serious?
The Third World path to progress:
Their elites go to study in America or the UK, go back with their well
learned capitalist approach, bring back the SUVs and Gated Communities
as well, and have the serfs work for them.
Except that China is taking away all their jobs and whole industries
are crumbling.
> On 14/04/2012 8:55 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 13, 6:52 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 11/04/2012 11:05 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>> On Apr 10, 11:18 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 13, 6:52 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 11/04/2012 11:05 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>>> On 09/04/2012 7:56 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Apr 9, 6:54 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 08/04/2012 8:09 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> On Apr 8, 5:35 pm, RichAsianKid<RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 08/04/2012 11:23 AM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> >>>>>>>>> earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> >>>>>>>>> statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> >>>>>>>>> biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> >>>>>>>>> draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
> >>>>>>>>>http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/08/opinion/gilding-earth-limits/index.html...
>
> >>>>>>>>> "The reason is we have now reached a moment where four words -- the
> >>>>>>>>> earth is full -- will define our times. This is not a philosophical
> >>>>>>>>> statement; this is just science based in physics, chemistry and
> >>>>>>>>> biology. There are many science-based analyses of this, but they all
> >>>>>>>>> draw the same conclusion -- that we're living beyond our means."
>
>
> >>>>>>>>> I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> >>>>>>>>> sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> >>>>>>>>> pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> >>>>>>>>> full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> >>>>>>>>> understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> >>>>>>>>> due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> >>>>>>>>> an important part of our diet.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> >>>>>>>>> Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> >>>>>>>>> future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> >>>>>>>>> today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> >>>>>>>>> use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
> >>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>> I won't dispute those finding because they confirm my own common
> >>>>>>>>> sense. The question is what do we do about it. One option is make
> >>>>>>>>> pregnant mothers sign an affidavit that she understands the Earth is
> >>>>>>>>> full, and that her kid won't have a nice life. We have to make her
> >>>>>>>>> understand that cannibalism is a real possibility within a lifetime
> >>>>>>>>> due to the scarcity of resources. Or maybe that cats and dogs become
> >>>>>>>>> an important part of our diet.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Another option, of course, is to learn to live within our means so the
> >>>>>>>>> Earth can sustain us for a long time. Reality is we are stealing from
> >>>>>>>>> future generations and that's not nice. There's something I can do
> >>>>>>>>> today and that's to ride a bicycle and be conscious of what I eat or
> >>>>>>>>> use. Tell you what, I won't drive a car today.
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> >>>>>>>> One prof history emeritus by name of Harold Dorn once wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> "No species has ever been able to multiply without limit. There are two
> >>>>>>>> biological checks upon a rapid increase in number - a high mortality and
> >>>>>>>> low fertility. Unlike other biological organisms, man can choose which
> >>>>>>>> of these checks shall be applied, but one of them must be."
>
> >>>>>>>> Quite true.
>
> >>>>>>>> At the same time never forget much like fantasy kumbaya and manufactured
> >>>>>>>> notions of equality the very idea humans are somehow ultimately above
> >>>>>>>> nature is utopian to begin with. That is, more simply put, not all
> >>>>>>>> posterity are created equal; and some children are _still_ preferred
> >>>>>>>> more than others.
>
> >>>>>>>> Which of course fundamentally threatens yet another variant of idealism:
> >>>>>>>> another instance of "hope" over experience perhaps?
>
> >>>>>>>> Why not be one with nature?
>
> >>>>>>> We could support very high populations if it weren't for all the waste
> >>>>>>> and lack of planning. The Dutch get along fine with their bikes in a
> >>>>>>> highly populated land. Bike traffic seems to flow better there than
> >>>>>>> rush hour in America, which has a much lower population density. Maybe
> >>>>>>> the Third World needs to discard the Western model altogether and look
> >>>>>>> for alternatives such as the bike and the preservation of ecosystems.
> >>>>>>> The cash crops are wiping out forests and creating hunger.
>
> >>>>>>> The West has paid a hefty price for development and it's now in
> >>>>>>> crisis. I can only hope it doesn't bounce back so it'll learn to live
> >>>>>>> within its means. Perhaps the best hope we can have in the wasteful
> >>>>>>> rich countries is to have bicycles occupy our main mode of
> >>>>>>> transportation within healthy communities.
>
> >>>>>>> It's not the bike alone of course. Curitiba, Brazil, is a model of
> >>>>>>> public transportation from a Third World country. You don't need to be
> >>>>>>> rich to be prosperous.
>
> >>>>>> Look, you still have to make a choice. And some will be more valued than
> >>>>>> others in zero-sum game.
>
> >>>>>> Why fight Darwin?
>
> >>>>>> Why deplore competition when it's selection process?
>
> >>>>>> Why not accept some will be valued more than others by whatever perspective?
>
> >>>>>> Again, why fight nature? And not learn from the "West's" mistakes?
>
> >>>>> If you don't use the Xerox machine, then it makes sense. My concern is
> >>>>> that consumption habits made in West are recklessly copied, and this
> >>>>> adds to the doomsday scenario.
>
> >>>>> For example the approaches followed by Taiwan (scooters) and Singapore
> >>>>> (bullet trains) are praiseworthy given their reality not that of the
> >>>>> West. And in turn this not the reality for Africa, where the humble
> >>>>> bike could the vehicle of liberation. Adaption to the environment is a
> >>>>> law of nature.
>
> >>>> Then tell us how much more copying you can get if you parrot equality,
> >>>> liberty, or democracy. When you "liberate" the rest of the 6 or 7
> >>>> billion, how much worse will the world become?
>
> >>>> Tell us.
> >> Good advice, and I agree.
>
> > Not content where they stand, but to choose a different path.
>
>
> But still not content. Why not content. I even thought that's problem
> contentment had with materialism anyway isn't it?
>
> Wow!
>
> Besides what different paths would these saints have choosen -
> Materialism? Power?? Or even.... Bananas????
>
> Serious?
The Third World path to progress:
Their elites go to study in America or the UK, go back with their well
learned capitalist approach, bring back the SUVs and Gated Communities
as well, and have the serfs work for them.
Except that China is taking away all their jobs and whole industries
are crumbling.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 15, 2012, 10:48:46 AM4/15/12
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economy wisely. Here's a question:
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU GIVE A BUNCH OF BANANAS TO A BUNCH OF
MONKEYS?
Every possible political system is represented in the distribution of
the bananas among the monkeys. Having a bureaucracy managing the
bananas is socialism. The bureaucracy mismanaging the bananas is bad
socialism. Marxism is one banana per monkey, except that some monkeys
are better than others. Capitalism will make some some monkeys control
the bananas while others go hungry. Then the WISE MONKEYS must learn
to cooperate and groom each other. THERE'S BANANAS FOR ALL.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 15, 2012, 11:09:15 PM4/15/12
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On Apr 15, 10:02 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> What you're also saying is blood and soil (food supply being derivative
> of course) is a prime driver - rather than blind utopian ideology.
>
> So-called equality - "democracy" included - is actually true for the
> dumb, false for the smart, useful for the elite.
>
> No?
That's a clever way to put it. The problem with democracy is that you
can only blame the sheep, not the shepherd. And you don't know who's
leading who.
> of course) is a prime driver - rather than blind utopian ideology.
>
> So-called equality - "democracy" included - is actually true for the
> dumb, false for the smart, useful for the elite.
>
> No?
That's a clever way to put it. The problem with democracy is that you
can only blame the sheep, not the shepherd. And you don't know who's
leading who.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 16, 2012, 1:15:09 AM4/16/12
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On Apr 15, 10:26 pm, RichAsianKid <RichAsian...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 15/04/2012 8:10 PM, baldeagle wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 11:58 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 15, 6:39 am, baldeagle<force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > .> > Evolution is strictly on the basis of survival of the
> > .> > fittest, the strong and the hungry. Evolution has NO moral...
> > .> > has no compassion for the weak, the women, the sick
> > .> > nor the old..
>
> > .> Which is why we should try to be civilized and be
> > .> above animals.
>
> > "To be civilized"...is not necessarily being above animals.
> > The bees and the ants from their perspective are more
> > civilized than us human. Eg. Ants greet each other when
> > the meet ...they share the burden when the load is too
> > heavy...they do not kill like human because of property
> > or jealous or greed.
>
> Entomologist EO Wilson once famously remarked on Marxism: wonderful
> theory, wrong species. :)
>
> And that tells you why America can be more fitted to individualist vs,
> oh say, Japan or Germany, or perhaps Israel.
He also said this:
"Wilson came to believe that humans, like ants, are genetically
designed to live within natural limits. It is becoming increasingly
obvious that those limits are directly related to reduced energy use
and consumption of natural resources, family planning, and COOPERATION
among societies, rather than competition."
http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2005121653
> On 15/04/2012 8:10 PM, baldeagle wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 15, 11:58 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 15, 6:39 am, baldeagle<force....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > .> > Evolution is strictly on the basis of survival of the
> > .> > fittest, the strong and the hungry. Evolution has NO moral...
> > .> > has no compassion for the weak, the women, the sick
> > .> > nor the old..
>
> > .> Which is why we should try to be civilized and be
> > .> above animals.
>
> > "To be civilized"...is not necessarily being above animals.
> > The bees and the ants from their perspective are more
> > civilized than us human. Eg. Ants greet each other when
> > the meet ...they share the burden when the load is too
> > heavy...they do not kill like human because of property
> > or jealous or greed.
>
> Entomologist EO Wilson once famously remarked on Marxism: wonderful
> theory, wrong species. :)
>
> And that tells you why America can be more fitted to individualist vs,
> oh say, Japan or Germany, or perhaps Israel.
He also said this:
"Wilson came to believe that humans, like ants, are genetically
designed to live within natural limits. It is becoming increasingly
obvious that those limits are directly related to reduced energy use
and consumption of natural resources, family planning, and COOPERATION
among societies, rather than competition."
http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2005121653
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 17, 2012, 10:01:33 AM4/17/12
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> that the 'cooperation' only applies within a given
> society. When two societies meet, they tend to
> fight to the death.
>
> And in overly large and diverse societies, internal
> cooperation isn't even guarenteed unless the king
> points a spear at everyones bellies.
Interesting thought. So the whole idea of the European, the nations
working together and people moving freely is oppose to human nature.
I think it is the ELITES that give these signals --cooperation or
aggression-- and the monkeys follow. Forgive my expression of
"monkeys," but I strongly believe that human behavior is related to
animals and that it should be helped by studying animal behavior and
training.
But that's only my humble opinion.
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 17, 2012, 6:43:48 PM4/17/12
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> that truth coming to the surface over in eurotopia.
> The cultural and political incompatabilities have
> now been joined by economic woes - and I see hints
> that countries being bailed out think the ones doing
> the bailing (OK, mostly just ONE doing the bailing)
> is starting to get kinda pushy, telling everybody
> how they're gonna act, do business, allocate funds ...
>
> Europe has had one big war after another for 1500
> years. What makes you think 1945 marked the last
> of them ?
It wouldn't be a war but absolute suicide. The last war was suicidal
but it took a maniac to make it happen. People are not that stupid.
>
> >I think it is the ELITES that give these signals --cooperation or
> >aggression-- and the monkeys follow.
>
> that even the 'elites' are mere humans under the
> tailored clothes.
True, but their arrogance and gated communities insulates them from
the real world. Their vision is distorted by short term gain as well.
>
> >Forgive my expression of
> >"monkeys," but I strongly believe that human behavior is related to
> >animals and that it should be helped by studying animal behavior and
> >training.
>
> social order - with an 'alpha' male and female
> and their close cohorts at the top of the pyramid.
> They bark, everyone else jumps. This seems to be
> the 'default' system for humans as well, be it
> little tribes or gangs or vast powerful nations.
True, but most people are barely aware of this fact and most alpha
leaders have a short stay at the top. It means that the Mubaraks and
Gaddhafis are being replaced by more flexible hierarchies.
>
> When everything else goes to hell, this is where
> we drift to automatically. Indeed it seems to
> require constant energy to even keep the heirarchy
> somewhat diluted, the pyramid short and easier
> to climb.
It ain't that easy to climb. It's just an illusion. If you kill the
illusion, a mafia state may follow.
>
> >But that's only my humble opinion.
>
> with historical evidence and anthropological
> observations.
We just got to watch the world news. Nothing new in the jungle,
depressing for the most part.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 17, 2012, 7:03:56 PM4/17/12
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On Apr 17, 11:58 am, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 8, 5:37 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Who should go first, the most polluting or the weakest? The key
> > populations to ensure the survival of Western Civilization are found
> > in North America, Europe and Japan. The so-called developing countries
> > will have to be discarded before it's too late. How can they be so
> > dumb to be like us?
>
> The native peoples of africa, north america, and south america are
> stupid primitive people and have no place in a modern world. They
> don't have the intelligence to build and maintain a technologically
> advanced culture. They are parasites and will not be missed.
Then maybe they should choose another type of system that doesn't
require the rat race. Costa Rica's motto is "Pura Vida," which means
loosely "just chill."
But I bet you we are losing that race with China. We need a new motto
too.
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 8, 5:37 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Who should go first, the most polluting or the weakest? The key
> > populations to ensure the survival of Western Civilization are found
> > in North America, Europe and Japan. The so-called developing countries
> > will have to be discarded before it's too late. How can they be so
> > dumb to be like us?
>
> The native peoples of africa, north america, and south america are
> stupid primitive people and have no place in a modern world. They
> don't have the intelligence to build and maintain a technologically
> advanced culture. They are parasites and will not be missed.
Then maybe they should choose another type of system that doesn't
require the rat race. Costa Rica's motto is "Pura Vida," which means
loosely "just chill."
But I bet you we are losing that race with China. We need a new motto
too.
Marvin the Martian
Apr 18, 2012, 7:25:00 AM4/18/12
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On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:10:42 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> Crack open the history books though and you'll see that the
> 'cooperation' only applies within a given society. When two societies
> meet, they tend to fight to the death.
Exactly. One man's "cooperate or I'll kill you" is another man's
> 'cooperation' only applies within a given society. When two societies
> meet, they tend to fight to the death.
competition, especially when the first man says we need to cooperate to
conserve resources so... PLEASE DIE!
> And in overly large and diverse societies, internal cooperation isn't
> even guarenteed unless the king points a spear at everyones bellies.
Interesting how humans is compared to ants by the folks who want to kill
off 93% of the human race.
Marvin the Martian
Apr 18, 2012, 7:32:35 AM4/18/12
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into the 19th century. Up until then, many of them thought it was cool to
raid neighboring tribes, capture their people, cut the living hearts out
of them or skin young girls alive and dance around in their skin.
Dumb bastards didn't even invent the wheel. Liberals make a big deal out
of the fact that they were really good at stacking rocks - but kinda miss
they hadn't invented cement like the Roman's did thousands of years
before.
> But I bet you we are losing that race with China. We need a new motto
> too.
for thousands of years. They weren't advancing, however, due to a
cultural value for past generations. They probably would have gone on
forever like that, as feudal cultures, until the damned Westerners
dragged them kicking and screaming into the 19th century.
What we really needed to do way back then was to throw the missionaries
overboard as soon as the ship left the dock and create a "Prime
Directive" that demanded a penalty of death for anyone who contaminates
these primitives with western science.
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 18, 2012, 11:30:58 AM4/18/12
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Dilapidation. It could have preserved the forests and ecosystems for
the most part, but it chose to plunder them.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 18, 2012, 11:29:24 AM4/18/12
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On Apr 18, 7:25 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:10:42 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
> > "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:10:42 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
> > "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
But I believe we can be better than ants.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 18, 2012, 11:48:03 AM4/18/12
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> going back nearly 3000 years. Almost every single
> one bore the note "Killed by ..." - and the successors
> rarely lasted very long either.
>
> However the SYSTEM survived - every new king slipped
> smoothly into the same boots the previous king wore,
> the same govt structure. In short, only the faces
> change. (I suspect this will ultimately be the case
> in Egypt and such)
>
> >> When everything else goes to hell, this is where
> >> we drift to automatically. Indeed it seems to
> >> require constant energy to even keep the heirarchy
> >> somewhat diluted, the pyramid short and easier
> >> to climb.
>
> >It ain't that easy to climb.
>
> Ain't supposed to be. Even those with a little power
> >> When everything else goes to hell, this is where
> >> we drift to automatically. Indeed it seems to
> >> require constant energy to even keep the heirarchy
> >> somewhat diluted, the pyramid short and easier
> >> to climb.
>
> >It ain't that easy to climb.
>
> want to keep it for themselves.
>
> >It's just an illusion. If you kill the
> >illusion, a mafia state may follow.
>
> They've been polishing the illusion since
> >It's just an illusion. If you kill the
> >illusion, a mafia state may follow.
>
> Machiavellis time at least ... doesn't
> seem likely there's gonna be any mass-
> enlightenment event.
>
> And even if there was ... go from the status-quo
> to WHAT exactly ? IMHO it'd wind up being the same
> old same old, just with a different color of paint.
>
> >> >But that's only my humble opinion.
>
> >> It's not opinion if you can back it up
> >> with historical evidence and anthropological
> >> observations.
>
> >We just got to watch the world news. Nothing new in the jungle,
> >depressing for the most part.
>
> People are people. They're wired-up pretty much the
> >> >But that's only my humble opinion.
>
> >> It's not opinion if you can back it up
> >> with historical evidence and anthropological
> >> observations.
>
> >We just got to watch the world news. Nothing new in the jungle,
> >depressing for the most part.
>
> same, have pretty much the same needs and desires and
> weaknesses. Not unsuprising that there's not much real
> variety in political or economic structure through time.
> After ten or twelve thousand years of 'civilization',
> I suspect everything has been tried - and most systems
> proved lacking.
OK let's analyze a race that came from absolute brutality to absolute
civilization: THE SCANDINAVIANS. The Vikings, as we all know, didn't
take prisoners, not even the monks were spared. They terrorized Europe
--they may have been terrorists-- and would have given competition to
the Somali pirates. And now, what do we have now? We have some of the
most advanced countries on Earth, fully civilized, fully sustainable
countries. I mean, they are not only rich, but fully civilized. Sweden
aims for zero accidents on the road --rather Utopian just like zero
drugs in America-- but more worthwhile. There are many parameters by
which you may judge civilization, but TRAFFIC is my favorite. You go
from anarchy in America where might makes right, to a highly regulated
Autobahn system that works in Germany, to a place like Denmark that
makes sure that the Law of the Jungle takes its course when you ride a
bicycle. When you fail to protect the weak, everything falls apart and
civilization is just a joke.
Again, the Scandinavians show us the way.
http://viking-source.com/images/vikings1.jpg
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 19, 2012, 8:43:10 AM4/19/12
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> Wise. :-)
Prayers didn't work.
>
> >They terrorized Europe
> >--they may have been terrorists-- and would have given competition to
> >the Somali pirates.
>
> 'Terrifying' and 'terrorism' are two different
> things. 'Terrorism' is a special warfare tactic
> designed to undermine a strong existing govt
> from below - by destroying public confidence in
> that govts ability to protect the population,
> its valuable property and its important interests.
> The Vikings were just 'terrifying' - and it
> intimidated the people they attacked. It was
> not meant to overthrow governments, just to
> grab the loot more quickly. No larger political
> goal existed.
>
> Relative to Somalia, some similarties actually ...
> few resources or opportunity for upwards mobility
> motivated them to go 'viking' (raiding/stealing).
> They were in it for the money initially. Only later
> on did they focus on grabbing land. If you can't be
> a king at home, find a new home where you can be a
> king. They were such good fighters compared to the
> target populations that they could take what they
> wanted easily.
>
> But once they DID grab land, the paradigm shifted
> strongly towards an agrarian lifestyle and they
> tended to organize government in the local style.
Maybe the Somalis will go down that path too. Maybe they'll invest in
Wall Street.
>
> >And now, what do we have now? We have some of the
> >most advanced countries on Earth,
>
> Depends on how you define 'advanced', doesn't it ?
Advanced: technology particularly electronics, standard of living,
transportation, longevity, low crime, traffic...
>
> Technology moved along ... but absolute brutality
> kept popping up until the mid 1940s ... into the
> 1990s if you count eastern europe, Serbia etc..
> I have doubts things will remain peacable ...
> the EU is gonna fracture, and it may not be pretty.
>
> Also, is robbing the rich to enrich the do-nothings
> 'advanced', or just a reincarnation of the Viking
> raiders ?
The rich seem to be happy in Scandinavia. Not that they not should
trim down welfare.
>
> >fully civilized, fully sustainable countries.
>
> I have doubts ... and 'sustainable' looks to be
> the first one to go.
I don't think so. They don't tolerate LITTERING and are very active in
RECYCLING. Not a throw away society at all. Norway could choose to
sell cheap gas like Venezuela --the envy of America: 12 cents a
gallon-- but instead chooses to make prices high to promote frugality.
>
> >I mean, they are not only rich, but fully civilized. Sweden
> >aims for zero accidents on the road --rather Utopian just like zero
> >drugs in America-- but more worthwhile. There are many parameters by
> >which you may judge civilization, but TRAFFIC is my favorite. You go
> >from anarchy in America where might makes right, to a highly regulated
> >Autobahn system that works in Germany, to a place like Denmark that
> >makes sure that the Law of the Jungle takes its course when you ride a
> >bicycle. When you fail to protect the weak, everything falls apart and
> >civilization is just a joke.
>
> You seem to equate micro-managment from on-high as
> the mark of 'civilization'. I hear the echos of kings,
> tyrants, inquisitors ......
Yes, they may have some royalty but their freedoms are intact. Perhaps
because someone is overlooking the system, it works so well.
>
> It's not a safe way to live, too much power invested
> in the State apparatus. Hell, the UK has already become
> a surveillance state ... pretty much everything Orwell
> warned them about. Just wait until things go a little
> sour and you'll see the full power of these governments
> squeezing life and liberty from their citizens like
> juice from an orange.
The rich in America enjoy their surveillance state in the gated
communities. They don't make an issue about that because they want to
be safe.
>
> The 'wild' USA is still far more free, still far more
> authority vested in The People, ergo more 'civilized'
> in my opinion. Your 'civilization' ... a gilded cage.
Again, it depends how you define free. I like to say that freedom is
having safe, healthy communities, not gated communities. Also the
WORST POSSIBLE SOCIETY in terms of sustainability.
>
> >Again, the Scandinavians show us the way.
>
> I wonder how many Breviks exist there ... ?
Maybe many more if they were a gun-ho society.
Prayers didn't work.
>
> >They terrorized Europe
> >--they may have been terrorists-- and would have given competition to
> >the Somali pirates.
>
> things. 'Terrorism' is a special warfare tactic
> designed to undermine a strong existing govt
> from below - by destroying public confidence in
> that govts ability to protect the population,
> its valuable property and its important interests.
> The Vikings were just 'terrifying' - and it
> intimidated the people they attacked. It was
> not meant to overthrow governments, just to
> grab the loot more quickly. No larger political
> goal existed.
>
> Relative to Somalia, some similarties actually ...
> few resources or opportunity for upwards mobility
> motivated them to go 'viking' (raiding/stealing).
> They were in it for the money initially. Only later
> on did they focus on grabbing land. If you can't be
> a king at home, find a new home where you can be a
> king. They were such good fighters compared to the
> target populations that they could take what they
> wanted easily.
>
> But once they DID grab land, the paradigm shifted
> strongly towards an agrarian lifestyle and they
> tended to organize government in the local style.
Maybe the Somalis will go down that path too. Maybe they'll invest in
Wall Street.
>
> >And now, what do we have now? We have some of the
> >most advanced countries on Earth,
>
Advanced: technology particularly electronics, standard of living,
transportation, longevity, low crime, traffic...
>
> Technology moved along ... but absolute brutality
> kept popping up until the mid 1940s ... into the
> 1990s if you count eastern europe, Serbia etc..
> I have doubts things will remain peacable ...
> the EU is gonna fracture, and it may not be pretty.
>
> Also, is robbing the rich to enrich the do-nothings
> 'advanced', or just a reincarnation of the Viking
> raiders ?
The rich seem to be happy in Scandinavia. Not that they not should
trim down welfare.
>
> >fully civilized, fully sustainable countries.
>
> the first one to go.
I don't think so. They don't tolerate LITTERING and are very active in
RECYCLING. Not a throw away society at all. Norway could choose to
sell cheap gas like Venezuela --the envy of America: 12 cents a
gallon-- but instead chooses to make prices high to promote frugality.
>
> >I mean, they are not only rich, but fully civilized. Sweden
> >aims for zero accidents on the road --rather Utopian just like zero
> >drugs in America-- but more worthwhile. There are many parameters by
> >which you may judge civilization, but TRAFFIC is my favorite. You go
> >from anarchy in America where might makes right, to a highly regulated
> >Autobahn system that works in Germany, to a place like Denmark that
> >makes sure that the Law of the Jungle takes its course when you ride a
> >bicycle. When you fail to protect the weak, everything falls apart and
> >civilization is just a joke.
>
> the mark of 'civilization'. I hear the echos of kings,
> tyrants, inquisitors ......
Yes, they may have some royalty but their freedoms are intact. Perhaps
because someone is overlooking the system, it works so well.
>
> It's not a safe way to live, too much power invested
> in the State apparatus. Hell, the UK has already become
> a surveillance state ... pretty much everything Orwell
> warned them about. Just wait until things go a little
> sour and you'll see the full power of these governments
> squeezing life and liberty from their citizens like
> juice from an orange.
The rich in America enjoy their surveillance state in the gated
communities. They don't make an issue about that because they want to
be safe.
>
> The 'wild' USA is still far more free, still far more
> authority vested in The People, ergo more 'civilized'
> in my opinion. Your 'civilization' ... a gilded cage.
Again, it depends how you define free. I like to say that freedom is
having safe, healthy communities, not gated communities. Also the
WORST POSSIBLE SOCIETY in terms of sustainability.
>
> >Again, the Scandinavians show us the way.
>
Maybe many more if they were a gun-ho society.
Marvin the Martian
Apr 19, 2012, 11:10:09 AM4/19/12
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:30:58 -0700, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
So? You're going to damn the one culture that produced science for
chopping down a bunch of trees, and ignore any and all environmental
damage done by every other culture on earth.
And if by "aberration and dilapidation" you mean 'multiculturalism',
yeah.
chopping down a bunch of trees, and ignore any and all environmental
damage done by every other culture on earth.
And if by "aberration and dilapidation" you mean 'multiculturalism',
yeah.
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 19, 2012, 12:47:21 PM4/19/12
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I just found the perfect species for the human species. It came to me
as was watching a nature program, something called "Twisted Tales."
Anyway the animal in question is THE RAT. Don't get squeamish about
it. In the Orient they are held in high regard and thus we have the
Year of the Rat. Anyway, the rat is the worst predator to mankind and
yet it can be tamed to be the perfect pet. Many psychological studies
are done on the rat since they share our brain biology. And we can
learn something unique about our two species: WE BOTH NEED THE WHEEL
to keep our physical and mental balance, which means we can not be
seating in a box and expected to be happy. No wonder people find the
bicycle to be the perfect tool for happiness and well being. And we
are social animals like rats, so we suffer from the same isolation. My
campaign "Monkey out of the Cage" reflects that need.
as was watching a nature program, something called "Twisted Tales."
Anyway the animal in question is THE RAT. Don't get squeamish about
it. In the Orient they are held in high regard and thus we have the
Year of the Rat. Anyway, the rat is the worst predator to mankind and
yet it can be tamed to be the perfect pet. Many psychological studies
are done on the rat since they share our brain biology. And we can
learn something unique about our two species: WE BOTH NEED THE WHEEL
to keep our physical and mental balance, which means we can not be
seating in a box and expected to be happy. No wonder people find the
bicycle to be the perfect tool for happiness and well being. And we
are social animals like rats, so we suffer from the same isolation. My
campaign "Monkey out of the Cage" reflects that need.
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BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 19, 2012, 2:44:59 PM4/19/12
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Build a colony on the Moon.
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