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Fredric L. Rice

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Jun 29, 2012, 1:18:46 PM6/29/12
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06/san-onofre-computer-modeling.html

This might interest the climage change deniers who believe that the
projected consequences of extant global warming are wrong. It also
might be of interest to people who actually know what they're talking
about in the climate change arena.

What we have here is a bifurcation, the difference between what
happens when scientists working in collaboration determine truth by
using computer modeling, and when corporate entities working in
proprietary secret (and thus lack peer review outside of their own
tight-nit bubble of corporate influence) use computer modeling.

Overwhelmingly the best modeling of reality results when all the
available information, data, and algorythemic processes are out in
the public domain, subject to scientific review. This is why computer
modeling of climate change consequences obtain probabistic ballpark
estimations of reality.

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Eddie Haskell

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Jun 29, 2012, 2:42:30 PM6/29/12
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"Fredric L. Rice" <k.chel...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:EoOdnaeL1prrfnDS...@posted.sonicnet...
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06/san-onofre-computer-modeling.html
>
> This might interest the climage change deniers who believe that the
> projected consequences of extant global warming are wrong. It also
> might be of interest

<blat>

> to people who actually know what they're talking
> about in the climate change arena.

<flaabbbuut>

Whew..

> What we have here is a bifurcation, the difference between what
> happens when scientists working in collaboration determine truth by
> using computer modeling, and when corporate entities working in
> proprietary secret (and thus lack peer review outside of their

<blat>

> own
> tight-nit bubble of corporate influence) use computer modeling.
>
> Overwhelmingly the best modeling of reality results when all the
> available information,

<flaaattt>

> data, and algorythemic processes are out in
> the public domain, subject to scientific review. This is why computer
> modeling of climate change consequences obtain probabistic ballpark
> estimations of reality.

<Blaaatt>

Oh, man..

-Eddie Haskell




Fredric L. Rice

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Jun 29, 2012, 9:08:15 PM6/29/12
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"Eddie Haskell" <ioqp...@hiuorewqrhju.com> wrote:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06/san-onofre-computer-modeling.html

This might interest the climage change deniers who believe that the
projected consequences of extant global warming are wrong. It also
might be of interest to people who actually know what they're talking
about in the climate change arena.

What we have here is a bifurcation, the difference between what
happens when scientists working in collaboration determine truth by
using computer modeling, and when corporate entities working in
proprietary secret (and thus lack peer review outside of their own
tight-nit bubble of corporate influence) use computer modeling.

Overwhelmingly the best modeling of reality results when all the
available information, data, and algorythemic processes are out in
the public domain, subject to scientific review. This is why computer
modeling of climate change consequences obtain probabistic ballpark
estimations of reality.

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Eddie Haskell

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Jun 29, 2012, 11:15:41 PM6/29/12
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"Fredric L. Rice" <k.chel...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> This might interest the climage change deniers who believe that..

Burrpp!

Excuse me.

As you were saying..?

> the
> projected consequences of extant global warming are wrong. It also
> might be of interest to people who actually know what they're talking
> about in the climate change arena.

<blaatt>

Man, them burritos..

> What we have here is a bifurcation,

I know.

Whew!

<swat>

-Eddie Haskell


Fredric L. Rice

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Jun 30, 2012, 8:48:45 PM6/30/12
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This might interest the climage change deniers who believe that the
projected consequences of extant global warming are wrong. It also
might be of interest to people who actually know what they're talking
about in the climate change arena.

Desertphile

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Jul 1, 2012, 1:11:08 PM7/1/12
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:18:46 GMT, k.chel...@yahoo.com (Fredric
L. Rice) wrote:

> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06/san-onofre-computer-modeling.html
>
> This might interest the climage change deniers who believe that the
> projected consequences of extant global warming are wrong. It also
> might be of interest to people who actually know what they're talking
> about in the climate change arena.
>
> What we have here is a bifurcation, the difference between what
> happens when scientists working in collaboration determine truth by
> using computer modeling, and when corporate entities working in
> proprietary secret (and thus lack peer review outside of their own
> tight-nit bubble of corporate influence) use computer modeling.
>
> Overwhelmingly the best modeling of reality results when all the
> available information, data, and algorythemic processes are out in
> the public domain, subject to scientific review. This is why computer
> modeling of climate change consequences obtain probabistic ballpark
> estimations of reality.

Yes, all compuer models include error bars. It is still amazing to
see how successful climate models such as Hansen's have been, even
23 years ago.

> ---
> Email address: k.chel...@yahoo.com http://www.skeptictank.org/
> Vote Romney November 6th, enjoy your pink slip on November 9th.


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Desertphile

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Jul 1, 2012, 1:11:25 PM7/1/12
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:42:30 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
<ioqp...@hiuorewqrhju.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:18:46 GMT, k.chel...@yahoo.com (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>
> > http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06/san-onofre-computer-modeling.html
> >
> > This might interest the climage change deniers who believe that the
> > projected consequences of extant global warming are wrong. It also
> > might be of interest to people who actually know what they're talking
> > about in the climate change arena.
> >
> > What we have here is a bifurcation, the difference between what
> > happens when scientists working in collaboration determine truth by
> > using computer modeling, and when corporate entities working in
> > proprietary secret (and thus lack peer review outside of their own
> > tight-nit bubble of corporate influence) use computer modeling.
> >
> > Overwhelmingly the best modeling of reality results when all the
> > available information, data, and algorythemic processes are out in
> > the public domain, subject to scientific review. This is why computer
> > modeling of climate change consequences obtain probabistic ballpark
> > estimations of reality.
> >
> > ---
> > Email address: k.chel...@yahoo.com http://www.skeptictank.org/
> > Vote Romney November 6th, enjoy your pink slip on November 9th.

> <Blaaatt>

> Oh, man..Eddie Haskell

Desertphile

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Jul 1, 2012, 1:11:41 PM7/1/12
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:15:41 -0500, "Eddie Haskell"
<qekr...@qoekirhg.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:18:46 GMT, k.chel...@yahoo.com (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>
> > http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06/san-onofre-computer-modeling.html
> >
> > This might interest the climage change deniers who believe that the
> > projected consequences of extant global warming are wrong. It also
> > might be of interest to people who actually know what they're talking
> > about in the climate change arena.
> >
> > What we have here is a bifurcation, the difference between what
> > happens when scientists working in collaboration determine truth by
> > using computer modeling, and when corporate entities working in
> > proprietary secret (and thus lack peer review outside of their own
> > tight-nit bubble of corporate influence) use computer modeling.
> >
> > Overwhelmingly the best modeling of reality results when all the
> > available information, data, and algorythemic processes are out in
> > the public domain, subject to scientific review. This is why computer
> > modeling of climate change consequences obtain probabistic ballpark
> > estimations of reality.
> >
> > ---
> > Email address: k.chel...@yahoo.com http://www.skeptictank.org/
> > Vote Romney November 6th, enjoy your pink slip on November 9th.

> Burrpp!
> -Eddie Haskell

Fredric L. Rice

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Jul 1, 2012, 5:19:24 PM7/1/12
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On Sun, 01 Jul 2012 11:11:08 -0600, Desertphile
<Deser...@spammegmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:18:46 GMT, k.chel...@yahoo.com (Fredric
>L. Rice) wrote:
>> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06/san-onofre-computer-modeling.html
>Yes, all compuer models include error bars. It is still amazing to
>see how successful climate models such as Hansen's have been, even
>23 years ago.

And the error bars are usually published, making cultist denial of
the information twice silly.

Desertphile

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Jul 2, 2012, 8:27:26 PM7/2/12
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Plus the error bars get smaller and smaller over time.
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