David Foster, a union official at Kansas City’s Armco steel mill, says Bain drove the mill into the ground by placing its own interests above customers’.
Jayme Halbritter
David Foster, a union official at Kansas City’s Armco steel mill, says Bain drove the mill into the ground by placing its own interests above customers’.
James Sanderson had encountered a rare moment of industrial harmony.
It was the early 1990s, and the 750 men and women at Georgetown Steel were pumping out wire rods at peak performance. They had an abiding trust in management's ability to run a smart company. That allegiance was rewarded with fat profit-sharing checks. In the basement-wage economy of Georgetown, South Carolina, Sanderson and his co-workers were blue-collar aristocracy.
"We were doing very good," says Sanderson, president of Steelworkers Local 7898. "The plant was making money, and we had good profit-sharing checks, and everything was going well."
What he didn't know was that it was about to end. Hundreds of miles to the north, in Boston, a future presidential candidate was sizing up Georgetown's books.
At the time, Mitt Romney had been running Bain Capital since 1984, minting a reputation as a prince of private investment. A future prospectus by Deutsche Bank would reveal that by the time he left in 1999, Bain had averaged a shimmering 88 percent annual return on investment. Romney would use that success to launch his political career.
His specialty was flipping companies—or what he often calls "creative destruction." It's the age-old theory that the new must constantly attack the old to bring efficiency to the economy, even if some companies are destroyed along the way. In other words, people like Romney are the wolves, culling the herd of the weak and infirm.
His formula was simple: Bain would purchase a firm with little money down, then begin extracting huge management fees and paying Romney and his investors enormous dividends.
The result was that previously profitable companies were now burdened with debt. But much like the Enron boys, Romney's battery of MBAs fancied themselves the smartest guys in the room. It didn't matter if a company manufactured bicycles or contact lenses; they were certain they could run it better than anyone else.
Bain would slash costs, jettison workers, reposition product lines, and merge its new companies with other firms. With luck, they'd be able to dump the firm in a few years for millions more than they'd paid for it.
But the beauty of Romney's thesis was that it really didn't matter if the company succeeded. Because he was yanking out cash early and often, he would profit even if his targets collapsed.
Which was precisely the fate awaiting Georgetown Steel.
When Bain purchased the mill, Sanderson says, change was immediate. Equipment upgrades stopped. Maintenance became an afterthought. Managers were replaced by people who knew nothing about steel. The union's profit-
sharing plan was sliced twice in the first year—then whacked altogether.
"When Bain Capital took over, it seemed like everything was being neglected in our plant," Sanderson says. "Nothing was being invested in our plant. We didn't have the necessary time to maintain our equipment. They had people here that didn't know what they were doing. It was like they were taking money from us and putting it somewhere else."
History would prove him correct. While Georgetown was beginning its descent to bankruptcy, Romney was helping himself to the company's treasury.
The Working Man's Villain
He should have known better. The year before Romney purchased Georgetown, he mounted his career in politics, setting his sights on the biggest target in Massachusetts: the U.S. Senate seat held by Ted Kennedy.
There were early signs that he might topple the Kennedy dynasty. Much like today, Romney was pitching himself as a commander of the economy, a man with the mastery to create jobs. Yet he suffered an affliction common to those atop the financial food chain: He assumed that what was good for him was good for all. Call it trickle-down blindness.
In the midst of that 1994 campaign, one of Romney's companies, American Pad & Paper, bought a plant in Marion, Indiana. At the time, it was prosperous enough to be running three shifts.
Bain's first move was to fire all 258 workers, then invite them to reapply for their jobs at lower wages and a 50 percent cut in health care benefits.
"They came in and said, 'You're all fired,'" employee Randy Johnson told the Los Angeles Times. "'If you want to work for us, here's an application.' We had insurance until the end of the week. That was it. It was brutal."
But instead of reapplying, the workers went on strike. They also decided the good people of Massachusetts should know what kind of man wanted to be their senator. Suddenly, Indiana accents were showing up in Kennedy TV ads, offering tales of Romney's villainy. He was sketched as a corporate Lucifer, one who wouldn't blink at crushing little people if it meant prettying his portfolio.
Needless to say, this wasn't a proper leading man's role for a labor state like Massachusetts. Taking just 41 percent of the vote, Romney was pounded in the election. Meanwhile, the Marion plant closed just six months after Bain's purchase. The jobs were shipped to Mexico.
Yet Romney didn't learn his lesson. He seemed incapable of noticing that his brand of "creative destruction" left a lot of human wreckage in its wake. Or that voters might see him as more scumbag than saint.
Just a few months after being hammered by Kennedy, he set fire to another company.
The Price of Incompetence
The move was classic Bain. Before buying Georgetown, Romney had purchased the Armco steel mill in Kansas City, Missouri, which had been in business for more than 100 years.
"We were setting a lot of records for production at that time," says employee Steve Morrow. "We were making a lot of money because we were getting profit sharing."
Bain combined Armco with the mill in Georgetown and foundries in Tempe, Arizona, and Duluth, Minnesota, to form the newly christened GS Industries.
Romney purchased Armco with just $8 million down and borrowed the rest of the $75 million price tag. Then he issued bonds—basically IOUs—to borrow even more to pay himself and his investors $36 million.
Within a year, he'd already made four times his initial investment while barely lifting a finger. But he'd also run up a staggering $378 million in debt on GSI's tab.
Steel is an infamously cyclical business, a worldwide commodity prone to the same wild price fluctuations as oil. The Kansas City plant forged parts for equipment used in mining gold and copper, leaving it susceptible to the instability of those markets as well.
Yet the smartest guys in the room thought they could run the plant better than the people setting production records.
"They were getting rid of old managers and hiring new managers that didn't have any steel experience," Morrow says. "Some of the guys were nice guys and everything, but they didn't have a clue what was going on."
Many of the new supervisors were ex-military, people who believed that grown men and women are best motivated by punishment. Before Bain, says Morrow, "everybody got along."
Afterward? "They wanted to run the plant like a disciplinary environment. They wanted to discipline people for getting hurt on the job. They wanted to put us in an environment like a war, where we were always fighting with them."
Romney was charging GSI $900,000 a year in management fees to run the company. The Kansas City mill received $900,000 worth of ineptitude in return.
Although Bain borrowed $97 million to retool the plant so it could also produce wire rods, it left the rest of the facility to rot.
To save costs, Bain went miserly on everything from maintenance to spare parts and earplugs. Equipment deteriorated. Because the new managers didn't know how to repair it, "they'd want to rent a new piece of equipment out instead of maintaining what we had," Morrow says. The waste and inefficiency was breathtaking.
Bain's plan all along was to streamline the company into greater profitability, then reap the rewards with a public stock offering. But the exact opposite was happening. Even Roger Regelbrugge, whom Bain installed as CEO, knew the debt was crushing GSI from within, according to Reuters. If a public offering didn't materialize, the company would collapse.
Steel was about to enter a periodic downturn. Countries around the world were locked in a war of tariffs and government-subsidized production, creating a glut and driving down prices. Romney's strategy of the flip was never meant to endure difficult times.
Workers saw the end coming; they were particularly worried that Bain was badly underfunding their pension plan. So they went on strike in 1997, bringing a traditional Rust Belt flair to the festivities by littering the streets with nails and gunning bottle rockets at security guards.
When it was all over, the steelworkers union agreed to wage and vacation cuts in exchange for extra health and pension safeguards should the plant close.
Yet GSI was now hemorrhaging money, says David Foster, the union official who negotiated the deal. He claims that Bain cursed the company by placing its own interests above those of customers or long-term stability.
"Like a lot of private equity firms, Bain managed the company for financial results, not
...
>David Foster, a union official at Kansas City’s Armco steel mill, >says Bain drove the mill into the ground by placing its own interests >above customers’.
>Jayme Halbritter
>David Foster, a union official at Kansas City s Armco steel mill, says >Bain drove the mill into the ground by placing its own interests above >customers .
>James Sanderson had encountered a rare moment of industrial harmony.
>It was the early 1990s, and the 750 men and women at Georgetown Steel >were pumping out wire rods at peak performance. They had an abiding trust >in management's ability to run a smart company. That allegiance was >rewarded with fat profit-sharing checks. In the basement-wage economy of >Georgetown, South Carolina, Sanderson and his co-workers were blue-collar >aristocracy.
Anybody that believes anything a "union official" says is a fool....
>"We were doing very good," says Sanderson, president of Steelworkers >Local 7898. "The plant was making money, and we had good profit-sharing >checks, and everything was going well."
>What he didn't know was that it was about to end. Hundreds of miles to >the north, in Boston, a future presidential candidate was sizing up >Georgetown's books.
>At the time, Mitt Romney had been running Bain Capital since 1984, >minting a reputation as a prince of private investment. A future >prospectus by Deutsche Bank would reveal that by the time he left in >1999, Bain had averaged a shimmering 88 percent annual return on >investment. Romney would use that success to launch his political career.
>His specialty was flipping companies or what he often calls "creative >destruction." It's the age-old theory that the new must constantly attack >the old to bring efficiency to the economy, even if some companies are >destroyed along the way. In other words, people like Romney are the >wolves, culling the herd of the weak and infirm.
>His formula was simple: Bain would purchase a firm with little money >down, then begin extracting huge management fees and paying Romney and >his investors enormous dividends.
>The result was that previously profitable companies were now burdened >with debt. But much like the Enron boys, Romney's battery of MBAs fancied >themselves the smartest guys in the room. It didn't matter if a company >manufactured bicycles or contact lenses; they were certain they could run >it better than anyone else.
>Bain would slash costs, jettison workers, reposition product lines, and >merge its new companies with other firms. With luck, they'd be able to >dump the firm in a few years for millions more than they'd paid for it.
>But the beauty of Romney's thesis was that it really didn't matter if the >company succeeded. Because he was yanking out cash early and often, he >would profit even if his targets collapsed.
>Which was precisely the fate awaiting Georgetown Steel.
>When Bain purchased the mill, Sanderson says, change was immediate. >Equipment upgrades stopped. Maintenance became an afterthought. Managers >were replaced by people who knew nothing about steel. The union's profit-
>sharing plan was sliced twice in the first year then whacked altogether.
>"When Bain Capital took over, it seemed like everything was being >neglected in our plant," Sanderson says. "Nothing was being invested in >our plant. We didn't have the necessary time to maintain our equipment. >They had people here that didn't know what they were doing. It was like >they were taking money from us and putting it somewhere else."
>History would prove him correct. While Georgetown was beginning its >descent to bankruptcy, Romney was helping himself to the company's >treasury.
>The Working Man's Villain
>He should have known better. The year before Romney purchased Georgetown, >he mounted his career in politics, setting his sights on the biggest >target in Massachusetts: the U.S. Senate seat held by Ted Kennedy.
>There were early signs that he might topple the Kennedy dynasty. Much >like today, Romney was pitching himself as a commander of the economy, a >man with the mastery to create jobs. Yet he suffered an affliction common >to those atop the financial food chain: He assumed that what was good for >him was good for all. Call it trickle-down blindness.
>In the midst of that 1994 campaign, one of Romney's companies, American >Pad & Paper, bought a plant in Marion, Indiana. At the time, it was >prosperous enough to be running three shifts.
>Bain's first move was to fire all 258 workers, then invite them to >reapply for their jobs at lower wages and a 50 percent cut in health care >benefits.
>"They came in and said, 'You're all fired,'" employee Randy Johnson told >the Los Angeles Times. "'If you want to work for us, here's an >application.' We had insurance until the end of the week. That was it. It >was brutal."
>But instead of reapplying, the workers went on strike. They also decided >the good people of Massachusetts should know what kind of man wanted to >be their senator. Suddenly, Indiana accents were showing up in Kennedy TV >ads, offering tales of Romney's villainy. He was sketched as a corporate >Lucifer, one who wouldn't blink at crushing little people if it meant >prettying his portfolio.
>Needless to say, this wasn't a proper leading man's role for a labor >state like Massachusetts. Taking just 41 percent of the vote, Romney was >pounded in the election. Meanwhile, the Marion plant closed just six >months after Bain's purchase. The jobs were shipped to Mexico.
>Yet Romney didn't learn his lesson. He seemed incapable of noticing that >his brand of "creative destruction" left a lot of human wreckage in its >wake. Or that voters might see him as more scumbag than saint.
>Just a few months after being hammered by Kennedy, he set fire to another >company.
>The Price of Incompetence
>The move was classic Bain. Before buying Georgetown, Romney had purchased >the Armco steel mill in Kansas City, Missouri, which had been in business >for more than 100 years.
>"We were setting a lot of records for production at that time," says >employee Steve Morrow. "We were making a lot of money because we were >getting profit sharing."
>Bain combined Armco with the mill in Georgetown and foundries in Tempe, >Arizona, and Duluth, Minnesota, to form the newly christened GS >Industries.
>Romney purchased Armco with just $8 million down and borrowed the rest of >the $75 million price tag. Then he issued bonds basically IOUs to borrow >even more to pay himself and his investors $36 million.
>Within a year, he'd already made four times his initial investment while >barely lifting a finger. But he'd also run up a staggering $378 million >in debt on GSI's tab.
>Steel is an infamously cyclical business, a worldwide commodity prone to >the same wild price fluctuations as oil. The Kansas City plant forged >parts for equipment used in mining gold and copper, leaving it >susceptible to the instability of those markets as well.
>Yet the smartest guys in the room thought they could run the plant better >than the people setting production records.
>"They were getting rid of old managers and hiring new managers that >didn't have any steel experience," Morrow says. "Some of the guys were >nice guys and everything, but they didn't have a clue what was going on."
>Many of the new supervisors were ex-military, people who believed that >grown men and women are best motivated by punishment. Before Bain, says >Morrow, "everybody got along."
>Afterward? "They wanted to run the plant like a disciplinary environment. >They wanted to discipline people for getting hurt on the job. They wanted >to put us in an environment like a war, where we were always fighting >with them."
>Romney was charging GSI $900,000 a year in management fees to run the >company. The Kansas City mill received $900,000 worth of ineptitude in >return.
>Although Bain borrowed $97 million to retool the plant so it could also >produce wire rods, it left the rest of the facility to rot.
>To save costs, Bain went miserly on everything from maintenance to spare >parts and earplugs. Equipment deteriorated. Because the new managers >didn't know how to repair it, "they'd want to rent a new piece of >equipment out instead of maintaining what we had," Morrow says. The waste >and inefficiency was breathtaking.
>Bain's plan all along was to streamline the company into greater >profitability, then reap the rewards with a public stock offering. But >the exact opposite was happening. Even Roger Regelbrugge, whom Bain >installed as CEO, knew the debt was crushing GSI from within, according >to Reuters. If a public offering didn't materialize, the company would >collapse.
>Steel was about to enter a periodic downturn. Countries around the world >were locked in a war of tariffs and government-subsidized production, >creating a glut and driving down prices. Romney's strategy of the flip >was never meant to endure difficult times.
>Workers saw the end coming; they were particularly worried that Bain was >badly underfunding their pension plan. So they went on strike in 1997, >bringing a traditional Rust Belt flair to the festivities by littering >the streets with nails and gunning bottle rockets at security guards.
>When it was all over, the steelworkers union agreed to wage and vacation >cuts in exchange for extra health and pension safeguards should
> > David Foster, a union official at Kansas City’s Armco steel
> > mill, says Bain drove the mill into the ground by placing its own
> > interests above customers’.
> > Jayme Halbritter
> > David Foster, a union official at Kansas City s Armco steel mill,
> > says Bain drove the mill into the ground by placing its own
> > interests above customers .
> > James Sanderson had encountered a rare moment of industrial harmony.
> > It was the early 1990s, and the 750 men and women at Georgetown
> > Steel were pumping out wire rods at peak performance. They had an
> > abiding trust in management's ability to run a smart company. That
> > allegiance was rewarded with fat profit-sharing checks. In the
> > basement-wage economy of Georgetown, South Carolina, Sanderson and
> > his co-workers were blue-collar aristocracy.
> Anybody that believes anything a "union official" says is a fool....
> > "We were doing very good," says Sanderson, president of
> > Steelworkers Local 7898. "The plant was making money, and we had
> > good profit-sharing checks, and everything was going well."
> > What he didn't know was that it was about to end. Hundreds of miles
> > to the north, in Boston, a future presidential candidate was sizing
> > up Georgetown's books.
> > At the time, Mitt Romney had been running Bain Capital since 1984, > > minting a reputation as a prince of private investment. A future > > prospectus by Deutsche Bank would reveal that by the time he left
> > in 1999, Bain had averaged a shimmering 88 percent annual return on > > investment. Romney would use that success to launch his political
> > career.
> > His specialty was flipping companies or what he often calls
> > "creative destruction." It's the age-old theory that the new must
> > constantly attack the old to bring efficiency to the economy, even
> > if some companies are destroyed along the way. In other words,
> > people like Romney are the wolves, culling the herd of the weak and
> > infirm.
> > His formula was simple: Bain would purchase a firm with little
> > money down, then begin extracting huge management fees and paying
> > Romney and his investors enormous dividends.
> > The result was that previously profitable companies were now
> > burdened with debt. But much like the Enron boys, Romney's battery
> > of MBAs fancied themselves the smartest guys in the room. It didn't
> > matter if a company manufactured bicycles or contact lenses; they
> > were certain they could run it better than anyone else.
> > Bain would slash costs, jettison workers, reposition product lines,
> > and merge its new companies with other firms. With luck, they'd be
> > able to dump the firm in a few years for millions more than they'd
> > paid for it.
> > But the beauty of Romney's thesis was that it really didn't matter
> > if the company succeeded. Because he was yanking out cash early and
> > often, he would profit even if his targets collapsed.
> > Which was precisely the fate awaiting Georgetown Steel.
> > When Bain purchased the mill, Sanderson says, change was immediate. > > Equipment upgrades stopped. Maintenance became an afterthought.
> > Managers were replaced by people who knew nothing about steel. The
> > union's profit- sharing plan was sliced twice in the first
> > year then whacked altogether.
> > "When Bain Capital took over, it seemed like everything was being > > neglected in our plant," Sanderson says. "Nothing was being
> > invested in our plant. We didn't have the necessary time to
> > maintain our equipment. They had people here that didn't know what
> > they were doing. It was like they were taking money from us and
> > putting it somewhere else."
> > History would prove him correct. While Georgetown was beginning its > > descent to bankruptcy, Romney was helping himself to the company's > > treasury.
> > The Working Man's Villain
> > He should have known better. The year before Romney purchased
> > Georgetown, he mounted his career in politics, setting his sights
> > on the biggest target in Massachusetts: the U.S. Senate seat held
> > by Ted Kennedy.
> > There were early signs that he might topple the Kennedy dynasty.
> > Much like today, Romney was pitching himself as a commander of the
> > economy, a man with the mastery to create jobs. Yet he suffered an
> > affliction common to those atop the financial food chain: He
> > assumed that what was good for him was good for all. Call it
> > trickle-down blindness.
> > In the midst of that 1994 campaign, one of Romney's companies,
> > American Pad & Paper, bought a plant in Marion, Indiana. At the
> > time, it was prosperous enough to be running three shifts.
> > Bain's first move was to fire all 258 workers, then invite them to > > reapply for their jobs at lower wages and a 50 percent cut in
> > health care benefits.
> > "They came in and said, 'You're all fired,'" employee Randy Johnson
> > told the Los Angeles Times. "'If you want to work for us, here's an > > application.' We had insurance until the end of the week. That was
> > it. It was brutal."
> > But instead of reapplying, the workers went on strike. They also
> > decided the good people of Massachusetts should know what kind of
> > man wanted to be their senator. Suddenly, Indiana accents were
> > showing up in Kennedy TV ads, offering tales of Romney's villainy.
> > He was sketched as a corporate Lucifer, one who wouldn't blink at
> > crushing little people if it meant prettying his portfolio.
> > Needless to say, this wasn't a proper leading man's role for a
> > labor state like Massachusetts. Taking just 41 percent of the vote,
> > Romney was pounded in the election. Meanwhile, the Marion plant
> > closed just six months after Bain's purchase. The jobs were shipped
> > to Mexico.
> > Yet Romney didn't learn his lesson. He seemed incapable of noticing
> > that his brand of "creative destruction" left a lot of human
> > wreckage in its wake. Or that voters might see him as more scumbag
> > than saint.
> > Just a few months after being hammered by Kennedy, he set fire to
> > another company.
> > The Price of Incompetence
> > The move was classic Bain. Before buying Georgetown, Romney had
> > purchased the Armco steel mill in Kansas City, Missouri, which had
> > been in business for more than 100 years.
> > "We were setting a lot of records for production at that time,"
> > says employee Steve Morrow. "We were making a lot of money because
> > we were getting profit sharing."
> > Bain combined Armco with the mill in Georgetown and foundries in
> > Tempe, Arizona, and Duluth, Minnesota, to form the newly christened
> > GS Industries.
> > Romney purchased Armco with just $8 million down and borrowed the
> > rest of the $75 million price tag. Then he issued bonds basically
> > IOUs to borrow even more to pay himself and his investors $36
> > million.
> > Within a year, he'd already made four times his initial investment
> > while barely lifting a finger. But he'd also run up a staggering
> > $378 million in debt on GSI's tab.
> > Steel is an infamously cyclical business, a worldwide commodity
> > prone to the same wild price fluctuations as oil. The Kansas City
> > plant forged parts for equipment used in mining gold and copper,
> > leaving it susceptible to the instability of those markets as well.
> > Yet the smartest guys in the room thought they could run the plant
> > better than the people setting production records.
> > "They were getting rid of old managers and hiring new managers that > > didn't have any steel experience," Morrow says. "Some of the guys
> > were nice guys and everything, but they didn't have a clue what was
> > going on."
> > Many of the new supervisors were ex-military, people who believed
> > that grown men and women are best motivated by punishment. Before
> > Bain, says Morrow, "everybody got along."
> > Afterward? "They wanted to run the plant like a disciplinary
> > environment. They wanted to discipline people for getting hurt on
> > the job. They wanted to put us in an environment like a war, where
> > we were always fighting with them."
> > Romney was charging GSI $900,000 a year in management fees to run
> > the company. The Kansas City mill received $900,000 worth of
> > ineptitude in return.
> > Although Bain borrowed $97 million to retool the plant so it could
> > also produce wire rods, it left the rest of the facility to rot.
> > To save costs, Bain went miserly on everything from maintenance to
> > spare parts and earplugs. Equipment deteriorated. Because the new
> > managers didn't know how to repair it, "they'd want to rent a new
> > piece of equipment out instead of maintaining what we had," Morrow
> > says. The waste and inefficiency was breathtaking.
> > Bain's plan all along was to streamline the company into greater > > profitability, then reap the rewards with a public stock offering.
> > But the exact opposite was happening. Even Roger Regelbrugge, whom
> > Bain installed as CEO, knew the debt was crushing GSI from within,
> > according to Reuters. If a public offering didn't materialize, the
> > company would collapse.
> > Steel was about to enter a periodic downturn. Countries around the
> > world were locked in a war of tariffs and government-subsidized
Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012 01:02:23p
> Anybody that believes anything a "union official" says is a fool....
Are you fucking serious???
You preserved more than 500 lines of attributed text to give this one-line reply???
Do you know how much needless bandwidth contributes to the now widely acknowledged and accepted problem of anthropogenic global-fucking-warming, you scumbag misanthrope!!???
-- Right-wing talking points show a popular appeal in
the same way that trainwrecks are morbidly fascinating.
But soon after the desire to be horrified at the spectacle passes,
the realization soon follows that it is all an ugly, bloody mess,
and it will only be cleaned up with leftist methods and a liberal in charge.
"Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012 02:55:07p
> Steve wrote:
> *YAWN* - the libs are getting so desparate.
Do you know how much needless bandwidth is polluting the archives and contributing to climate change as a result of archiving your inane thoughts??
Why would you post a 1-line reply and quote more than 500 lines of text, you consumed-by-hate wingnut!!??? What is wrong with you trying to be a responsible world citizen?
And for gawd sake, I realize it's a Usenet faux pas to criticize spelling-which-is-not-an-obvious-typo-or-proofreading-fukup, but is it really too much to expect you members of the right-wing filth brigade at least to want to be literate if what little ejukayshun you get fails to bring the enlightment of progressives to your stunted, atrophic brains?
-- Right-wing talking points show a popular appeal in
the same way that trainwrecks are morbidly fascinating.
But soon after the desire to be horrified at the spectacle passes,
the realization soon follows that it is all an ugly, bloody mess,
and it will only be cleaned up with leftist methods and a liberal in charge.
> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012
> 02:55:07p
> > Steve wrote:
> > YAWN - the libs are getting so desparate.
> Do you know how much needless bandwidth is polluting the archives and > contributing to climate change
My post is "contributing to climate change"!?
(Another example of liberal intelligence)
> as a result of archiving your inane
> thoughts??
> Why would you post a 1-line reply and quote more than 500 lines of
> text, you consumed-by-hate wingnut!!??? What is wrong with you
> trying to be a responsible world citizen?
Well, mainly because I'm an American citizen - there is NO SUCH THING
as a "world citizen". That is an inane concept promoted and believed
only by loony socialists. (no offence)
> And for gawd sake, I realize it's a Usenet faux pas to criticize > spelling-which-is-not-an-obvious-typo-or-proofreading-fukup, but is
> it really too much to expect you members of the right-wing filth
> brigade at least to want to be literate if what little ejukayshun you
> get fails to bring the enlightment of progressives to your stunted,
> atrophic brains?
I must have really touched a nerve there - they are even more desperate
than I thought.
On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:09:32 +0000 (UTC), "Winston Smith, American
Patriot" <FranzKa...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV.invalid> wrote:
>Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012 01:02:23p
>> Anybody that believes anything a "union official" says is a fool....
>Are you fucking serious???
>You preserved more than 500 lines of attributed text to give this one-line >reply???
One line was more than it was worth..
>Do you know how much needless bandwidth contributes to the now widely >acknowledged and accepted problem of anthropogenic global-fucking-warming, >you scumbag misanthrope!!???
Anybody that believes anything a "union official" says is a fool....
>> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012
>> 02:55:07p
>> > Steve wrote:
>> > YAWN - the libs are getting so desparate.
>> Do you know how much needless bandwidth is polluting the archives and >> contributing to climate change
> My post is "contributing to climate change"!?
> (Another example of liberal intelligence)
No one with an intelligence far greater in magnitude than yours of "barely stupid" is surprised to learn that you wonder that you contribute to climate change.
>> as a result of archiving your inane
>> thoughts??
>> Why would you post a 1-line reply and quote more than 500 lines of
>> text, you consumed-by-hate wingnut!!??? What is wrong with you
>> trying to be a responsible world citizen?
> Well, mainly because I'm an American citizen - there is NO SUCH THING
> as a "world citizen".
You'd be wrong, since I and millions others like me are in fact world citizens.
> That is an inane concept promoted and believed
> only by loony socialists. (no offence)
The world is seeing its last spasms of the Ronald Reagans, the Derp Cheneys, the Willard Romneys.
It's the White Male Power Structure ceding the road to your most horrifying nightmares...the minorities you thought you had kept in their places.
All you have left is your greed and your gawd and your guns.
Don't worry: we promise to bury them with you in the grave we've set up for you.
>> And for gawd sake, I realize it's a Usenet faux pas to criticize >> spelling-which-is-not-an-obvious-typo-or-proofreading-fukup, but is
>> it really too much to expect you members of the right-wing filth
>> brigade at least to want to be literate if what little ejukayshun you
>> get fails to bring the enlightment of progressives to your stunted,
>> atrophic brains?
> I must have really touched a nerve there - they are even more desperate
> than I thought.
Not any more desperate than your kin, that Tex-Ass judge, who apparently is ready for civil war if the "Kenyan socialist" gets another four years.
What's the matter? You some kinda chickenshit? Why am I not surprised?
-- Right-wing talking points show a popular appeal in
the same way that trainwrecks are morbidly fascinating.
But soon after the desire to be horrified at the spectacle passes,
the realization soon follows that it is all an ugly, bloody mess,
and it will only be cleaned up with leftist methods and a liberal in charge.
Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012 10:44:20p
> On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:09:32 +0000 (UTC), "Winston Smith, American
> Patriot" <FranzKa...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV.invalid> wrote:
>>Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012 01:02:23p
>>> Anybody that believes anything a "union official" says is a fool....
>>Are you fucking serious???
>>You preserved more than 500 lines of attributed text to give this one-line >>reply???
> One line was more than it was worth..
Let's add this post to the pile of evidence of your depraved indifference to humanity, for which one day you will hopefully be judged most harshly in the belief that justice is truly about the good triumphing over the bad.
-- Right-wing talking points show a popular appeal in
the same way that trainwrecks are morbidly fascinating.
But soon after the desire to be horrified at the spectacle passes,
the realization soon follows that it is all an ugly, bloody mess,
and it will only be cleaned up with leftist methods and a liberal in charge.
<Finding.Rea...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
>Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012 10:44:20p
>> On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:09:32 +0000 (UTC), "Winston Smith, American
>> Patriot" <FranzKa...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV.invalid> wrote:
>>>Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012 01:02:23p
>>>> Anybody that believes anything a "union official" says is a fool....
>>>Are you fucking serious???
>>>You preserved more than 500 lines of attributed text to give this one-line >>>reply???
>> One line was more than it was worth..
>Let's add this post to the pile of evidence of your depraved indifference to >humanity, for which one day you will hopefully be judged most harshly in the >belief that justice is truly about the good triumphing over the bad.
...cold day in hell when I worry about your judgments.
Patriot) wrote:
> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012
> 07:44:54p
> > Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
> >> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012
> >> 02:55:07p
> >> > Steve wrote:
> >> > YAWN - the libs are getting so desparate.
> >> Do you know how much needless bandwidth is polluting the archives
> and >> contributing to climate change
> > My post is "contributing to climate change"!?
> > (Another example of liberal intelligence)
> No one with an intelligence far greater in magnitude than yours of
> "barely stupid" is surprised to learn that you wonder that you
> contribute to climate change.
> >> as a result of archiving your inane
> >> thoughts??
> >> Why would you post a 1-line reply and quote more than 500 lines of
> >> text, you consumed-by-hate wingnut!!??? What is wrong with you
> >> trying to be a responsible world citizen?
> > Well, mainly because I'm an American citizen - there is NO SUCH
> > THING as a "world citizen".
> You'd be wrong, since I and millions others like me are in fact world > citizens.
I see, that's very interesting.
So you're a world citizen. Just out of curiosity, where's your capital?
> > That is an inane concept promoted and believed
> > only by loony socialists. (no offence)
> The world is seeing its last spasms of the Ronald Reagans, the Derp
> Cheneys, the Willard Romneys.
> It's the White Male Power Structure ceding the road to your most
> horrifying nightmares...the minorities you thought you had kept in
> their places.
> All you have left is your greed and your gawd and your guns.
> Don't worry: we promise to bury them with you in the grave we've set
> up for you.
> >> And for gawd sake, I realize it's a Usenet faux pas to criticize > >> spelling-which-is-not-an-obvious-typo-or-proofreading-fukup, but is
> >> it really too much to expect you members of the right-wing filth
> >> brigade at least to want to be literate if what little ejukayshun
> you >> get fails to bring the enlightment of progressives to your
> stunted, >> atrophic brains?
> > I must have really touched a nerve there - they are even more
> > desperate than I thought.
> Not any more desperate than your kin, that Tex-Ass judge, who
> apparently is ready for civil war if the "Kenyan socialist" gets
> another four years.
> What's the matter? You some kinda chickenshit? Why am I not
> surprised?
> Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012 01:02:23p
> > Anybody that believes anything a "union official" says is a fool....
> Are you fucking serious???
> You preserved more than 500 lines of attributed text to give this
> one-line reply???
> Do you know how much needless bandwidth contributes to the now widely > acknowledged and accepted problem of anthropogenic
> global-fucking-warming, you scumbag misanthrope!!???
> On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 19:51:19 +0000 (UTC), "Enraged Apostate, World
> Citizen (formerly Winston Smith, American Patriot)"
> <Finding.Rea...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
>>Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012 10:44:20p
>>> On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:09:32 +0000 (UTC), "Winston Smith, American
>>> Patriot" <FranzKa...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV.invalid> wrote:
>>>>Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012 01:02:23p
>>>>> Anybody that believes anything a "union official" says is a fool....
>>>>Are you fucking serious???
>>>>You preserved more than 500 lines of attributed text to give this
>>>>one-line reply???
>>> One line was more than it was worth..
>>Let's add this post to the pile of evidence of your depraved
>>indifference to humanity, for which one day you will hopefully be judged
>>most harshly in the belief that justice is truly about the good
>>triumphing over the bad.
> ...cold day in hell when I worry about your judgments.
Hell too has been affected by climate change, with reports of freezing temperatures.
Worried now?
-- Right-wing talking points show a popular appeal in
the same way that trainwrecks are morbidly fascinating.
But soon after the desire to be horrified at the spectacle passes,
the realization soon follows that it is all an ugly, bloody mess,
and it will only be cleaned up with leftist methods and a liberal in charge.
> Enraged Apostate, World Citizen (formerly Winston Smith, American
> Patriot) wrote:
>> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012
>> 07:44:54p
>> > Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
>> >> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012
>> >> 02:55:07p
>> >> > Steve wrote:
>> >> > YAWN - the libs are getting so desparate.
>> >> Do you know how much needless bandwidth is polluting the archives
>> and >> contributing to climate change
>> > My post is "contributing to climate change"!?
>> > (Another example of liberal intelligence)
>> No one with an intelligence far greater in magnitude than yours of
>> "barely stupid" is surprised to learn that you wonder that you
>> contribute to climate change.
>> >> as a result of archiving your inane
>> >> thoughts??
>> >> Why would you post a 1-line reply and quote more than 500 lines of
>> >> text, you consumed-by-hate wingnut!!??? What is wrong with you
>> >> trying to be a responsible world citizen?
>> > Well, mainly because I'm an American citizen - there is NO SUCH
>> > THING as a "world citizen".
>> You'd be wrong, since I and millions others like me are in fact world >> citizens.
> I see, that's very interesting.
> So you're a world citizen. Just out of curiosity, where's your capital?
>> > That is an inane concept promoted and believed
>> > only by loony socialists. (no offence)
>> The world is seeing its last spasms of the Ronald Reagans, the Derp
>> Cheneys, the Willard Romneys.
>> It's the White Male Power Structure ceding the road to your most
>> horrifying nightmares...the minorities you thought you had kept in
>> their places.
>> All you have left is your greed and your gawd and your guns.
>> Don't worry: we promise to bury them with you in the grave we've set
>> up for you.
>> >> And for gawd sake, I realize it's a Usenet faux pas to criticize >> >> spelling-which-is-not-an-obvious-typo-or-proofreading-fukup, but is
>> >> it really too much to expect you members of the right-wing filth
>> >> brigade at least to want to be literate if what little ejukayshun
>> you >> get fails to bring the enlightment of progressives to your
>> stunted, >> atrophic brains?
>> > I must have really touched a nerve there - they are even more
>> > desperate than I thought.
>> Not any more desperate than your kin, that Tex-Ass judge, who
>> apparently is ready for civil war if the "Kenyan socialist" gets
>> another four years.
>> What's the matter? You some kinda chickenshit? Why am I not
>> surprised?
> Winston, maybe you should get back on your meds.
So you inartfully avoided talking about your Tex-Ass kin there. Why is it you right wingers will do anything, including and especially tearing apart the republic, to maintain your power and impose your insidious cultural mix of greed, gawd and guns?
Let's make a deal: We let you cut out a good swath of Georgia and the Carolinas---that way you get a coastline and are not landlocked---and the lot of you knuckle-dragging vermin can all migrate there where you can indulge your psychopathologies free of liberals, and you can set up a constitution where you end the lives of any who dares express a progressive thought? That work for you? It's as good a deal as your jackass ancestors of the Confederate States of America never got and should have been given.
Look at the bright side: you can own an Obama finally rather than having to call him "Mister President."
-- Right-wing talking points show a popular appeal in
the same way that trainwrecks are morbidly fascinating.
But soon after the desire to be horrified at the spectacle passes,
the realization soon follows that it is all an ugly, bloody mess,
and it will only be cleaned up with leftist methods and a liberal in charge.
>> Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012 01:02:23p
>> > Anybody that believes anything a "union official" says is a fool....
>> Are you fucking serious???
>> You preserved more than 500 lines of attributed text to give this
>> one-line reply???
>> Do you know how much needless bandwidth contributes to the now widely >> acknowledged and accepted problem of anthropogenic
>> global-fucking-warming, you scumbag misanthrope!!???
> Decaf, Winston, decaf.
Actually, the best combinination before undertaking the job of disinfecting the world of right wingers would be a mix of cocaine and PCP.
FYI to the janitors.
Who's Winston?
-- Right-wing talking points show a popular appeal in
the same way that trainwrecks are morbidly fascinating.
But soon after the desire to be horrified at the spectacle passes,
the realization soon follows that it is all an ugly, bloody mess,
and it will only be cleaned up with leftist methods and a liberal in charge.
<Finding.Rea...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
>Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Mon 03 Sep 2012 12:31:43a
>> On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 19:51:19 +0000 (UTC), "Enraged Apostate, World
>> Citizen (formerly Winston Smith, American Patriot)"
>> <Finding.Rea...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
>>>Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012 10:44:20p
>>>> On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:09:32 +0000 (UTC), "Winston Smith, American
>>>> Patriot" <FranzKa...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012 01:02:23p
>>>>>> Anybody that believes anything a "union official" says is a fool....
>>>>>Are you fucking serious???
>>>>>You preserved more than 500 lines of attributed text to give this
>>>>>one-line reply???
>>>> One line was more than it was worth..
>>>Let's add this post to the pile of evidence of your depraved
>>>indifference to humanity, for which one day you will hopefully be judged
>>>most harshly in the belief that justice is truly about the good
>>>triumphing over the bad.
>> ...cold day in hell when I worry about your judgments.
>Hell too has been affected by climate change, with reports of freezing >temperatures.
You must be getting reports from your deceased ancestors.. and I
suspect that they, like you, are not to be believed.
>Worried now?
Well, today, I am concerned about my cousin who is in the hospital up
in Montana.
Patriot) wrote:
> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Mon 03 Sep 2012
> 02:02:10a
> > Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
> >> Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012
> 01:02:23p >>
> >> > Anybody that believes anything a "union official" says is a
> fool.... >> >
> >> Are you fucking serious???
> >> You preserved more than 500 lines of attributed text to give this
> >> one-line reply???
> >> Do you know how much needless bandwidth contributes to the now
> widely >> acknowledged and accepted problem of anthropogenic
> >> global-fucking-warming, you scumbag misanthrope!!???
> > Decaf, Winston, decaf.
> Actually, the best combinination before undertaking the job of
> disinfecting the world of right wingers would be a mix of cocaine and
> PCP.
Another left-wing plan to get on drugs and commit mass homicide?
> FYI to the janitors.
> Who's Winston?
If you're going to try to hide behind a new 'nym, you need to remember
*not* to sign your original name.
Patriot) wrote:
> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Mon 03 Sep 2012
> 02:00:02a
> > Enraged Apostate, World Citizen (formerly Winston Smith, American
> > Patriot) wrote:
> >> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012
> >> 07:44:54p
> >> > Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
> >> >> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012
> >> >> 02:55:07p
> >> >> > Steve wrote:
> >> >> > YAWN - the libs are getting so desparate.
> >> >> Do you know how much needless bandwidth is polluting the
> archives >> and >> contributing to climate change
> >> > My post is "contributing to climate change"!?
> >> > (Another example of liberal intelligence)
> >> No one with an intelligence far greater in magnitude than yours of
> >> "barely stupid" is surprised to learn that you wonder that you
> >> contribute to climate change.
> >> >> as a result of archiving your inane
> >> >> thoughts??
> >> >> Why would you post a 1-line reply and quote more than 500 lines
> of >> >> text, you consumed-by-hate wingnut!!??? What is wrong with
> you >> >> trying to be a responsible world citizen?
> >> > Well, mainly because I'm an American citizen - there is NO SUCH
> >> > THING as a "world citizen".
> >> You'd be wrong, since I and millions others like me are in fact
> world >> citizens.
> > I see, that's very interesting.
> > So you're a world citizen. Just out of curiosity, where's your
> > capital?
> >> > That is an inane concept promoted and believed
> >> > only by loony socialists. (no offence)
> >> The world is seeing its last spasms of the Ronald Reagans, the Derp
> >> Cheneys, the Willard Romneys.
> >> It's the White Male Power Structure ceding the road to your most
> >> horrifying nightmares...the minorities you thought you had kept in
> >> their places.
> >> All you have left is your greed and your gawd and your guns.
> >> Don't worry: we promise to bury them with you in the grave we've
> set >> up for you.
> >> >> And for gawd sake, I realize it's a Usenet faux pas to
> criticize >> >>
> spelling-which-is-not-an-obvious-typo-or-proofreading-fukup, but is
> >> >> it really too much to expect you members of the right-wing
> filth >> >> brigade at least to want to be literate if what little
> ejukayshun >> you >> get fails to bring the enlightment of
> progressives to your >> stunted, >> atrophic brains? >> > > >> > I must have really touched a nerve there - they are even more
> >> > desperate than I thought.
> >> Not any more desperate than your kin, that Tex-Ass judge, who
> >> apparently is ready for civil war if the "Kenyan socialist" gets
> >> another four years.
> >> What's the matter? You some kinda chickenshit? Why am I not
> >> surprised?
> > Winston, maybe you should get back on your meds.
> So you inartfully avoided talking about your Tex-Ass kin there.
I have "Tex-Ass kin"?
> Why
> is it you right wingers will do anything, including and especially
> tearing apart the republic, to maintain your power and impose your
> insidious cultural mix of greed, gawd and guns?
"tearing apart the republic"? I don't know any right-wingers who would
do that, it's mostly socialists and other left-wing losers.
(No offence.)
> Let's make a deal: We let you cut out a good swath of Georgia and
> the Carolinas---that way you get a coastline and are not
> landlocked---and the lot of you knuckle-dragging vermin can all
> migrate there where you can indulge your psychopathologies free of
> liberals, and you can set up a constitution where you end the lives
> of any who dares express a progressive thought? That work for you?
> It's as good a deal as your jackass ancestors of the Confederate
> States of America never got and should have been given. Look at the
> bright side: you can own an Obama finally rather than having to call
> him "Mister President."
Since conservatives outnumber leftists by a 2-to-1 margin, should we
get more land?
> Enraged Apostate, World Citizen (formerly Winston Smith, American
> Patriot) wrote:
>> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Mon 03 Sep 2012
>> 02:00:02a
>> > Enraged Apostate, World Citizen (formerly Winston Smith, American
>> > Patriot) wrote:
>> >> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012
>> >> 07:44:54p
>> >> > Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
>> >> >> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012
>> >> >> 02:55:07p
>> >> >> > Steve wrote:
>> >> >> > YAWN - the libs are getting so desparate.
>> >> >> Do you know how much needless bandwidth is polluting the
>> archives >> and >> contributing to climate change
>> >> > My post is "contributing to climate change"!?
>> >> > (Another example of liberal intelligence)
>> >> No one with an intelligence far greater in magnitude than yours of
>> >> "barely stupid" is surprised to learn that you wonder that you
>> >> contribute to climate change.
>> >> >> as a result of archiving your inane
>> >> >> thoughts??
>> >> >> Why would you post a 1-line reply and quote more than 500 lines
>> of >> >> text, you consumed-by-hate wingnut!!??? What is wrong with
>> you >> >> trying to be a responsible world citizen?
>> >> > Well, mainly because I'm an American citizen - there is NO SUCH
>> >> > THING as a "world citizen".
>> >> You'd be wrong, since I and millions others like me are in fact
>> world >> citizens.
>> > I see, that's very interesting.
>> > So you're a world citizen. Just out of curiosity, where's your
>> > capital?
>> >> > That is an inane concept promoted and believed
>> >> > only by loony socialists. (no offence)
>> >> The world is seeing its last spasms of the Ronald Reagans, the Derp
>> >> Cheneys, the Willard Romneys.
>> >> It's the White Male Power Structure ceding the road to your most
>> >> horrifying nightmares...the minorities you thought you had kept in
>> >> their places.
>> >> All you have left is your greed and your gawd and your guns.
>> >> Don't worry: we promise to bury them with you in the grave we've
>> set >> up for you.
>> >> >> And for gawd sake, I realize it's a Usenet faux pas to
>> criticize >> >>
>> spelling-which-is-not-an-obvious-typo-or-proofreading-fukup, but is
>> >> >> it really too much to expect you members of the right-wing
>> filth >> >> brigade at least to want to be literate if what little
>> ejukayshun >> you >> get fails to bring the enlightment of
>> progressives to your >> stunted, >> atrophic brains? >> > >> >> > I must have really touched a nerve there - they are even more
>> >> > desperate than I thought.
>> >> Not any more desperate than your kin, that Tex-Ass judge, who
>> >> apparently is ready for civil war if the "Kenyan socialist" gets
>> >> another four years.
>> >> What's the matter? You some kinda chickenshit? Why am I not
>> >> surprised?
>> > Winston, maybe you should get back on your meds.
>> So you inartfully avoided talking about your Tex-Ass kin there.
> I have "Tex-Ass kin"?
>> Why
>> is it you right wingers will do anything, including and especially
>> tearing apart the republic, to maintain your power and impose your
>> insidious cultural mix of greed, gawd and guns?
> "tearing apart the republic"? I don't know any right-wingers who would
> do that, it's mostly socialists and other left-wing losers.
> (No offence.)
>> Let's make a deal: We let you cut out a good swath of Georgia and
>> the Carolinas---that way you get a coastline and are not
>> landlocked---and the lot of you knuckle-dragging vermin can all
>> migrate there where you can indulge your psychopathologies free of
>> liberals, and you can set up a constitution where you end the lives
>> of any who dares express a progressive thought? That work for you?
>> It's as good a deal as your jackass ancestors of the Confederate
>> States of America never got and should have been given. Look at the
>> bright side: you can own an Obama finally rather than having to call
>> him "Mister President."
> Since conservatives outnumber leftists by a 2-to-1 margin, should we
> get more land?
Even after I get your definition of "conservative" and "leftist," I'm pretty sure your estimate would not stand up even to a slow-witted child's scrutiny.
But leaving that aside, with the offer of the paltry plot of real estate given, what ever happened to those vaunted virtues and super skills of the magnificent right wing wherein it can make something from nothing, turn disadvantage into advantage, and conquer adversity with a show of prosperity?
I guess you're telling me that was all a load of bullshit...?
-- Right-wing talking points show a popular appeal in
the same way that trainwrecks are morbidly fascinating.
But soon after the desire to be horrified at the spectacle passes,
the realization soon follows that it is all an ugly, bloody mess,
and it will only be cleaned up with leftist methods and a liberal in charge.
Patriot) wrote:
> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Tue 04 Sep 2012
> 08:30:20p
> > Enraged Apostate, World Citizen (formerly Winston Smith, American
> > Patriot) wrote:
> >> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Mon 03 Sep 2012
> >> 02:00:02a
> >> > Enraged Apostate, World Citizen (formerly Winston Smith, American
> >> > Patriot) wrote:
> >> >> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012
> >> >> 07:44:54p
> >> >> > Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
> >> >> >> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep
> 2012 >> >> >> 02:55:07p
> >> >> >> > Steve wrote:
> >> >> >> > YAWN - the libs are getting so desparate.
> >> >> >> Do you know how much needless bandwidth is polluting the
> >> archives >> and >> contributing to climate change
> >> >> > My post is "contributing to climate change"!?
> >> >> > (Another example of liberal intelligence)
> >> >> No one with an intelligence far greater in magnitude than yours
> of >> >> "barely stupid" is surprised to learn that you wonder that
> you >> >> contribute to climate change.
> >> >> >> as a result of archiving your inane
> >> >> >> thoughts??
> >> >> >> Why would you post a 1-line reply and quote more than 500
> lines >> of >> >> text, you consumed-by-hate wingnut!!??? What is
> wrong with >> you >> >> trying to be a responsible world citizen?
> >> >> > Well, mainly because I'm an American citizen - there is NO
> SUCH >> >> > THING as a "world citizen".
> >> >> You'd be wrong, since I and millions others like me are in fact
> >> world >> citizens.
> >> > I see, that's very interesting.
> >> > So you're a world citizen. Just out of curiosity, where's your
> >> > capital?
> >> >> > That is an inane concept promoted and believed
> >> >> > only by loony socialists. (no offence)
> >> >> The world is seeing its last spasms of the Ronald Reagans, the
> Derp >> >> Cheneys, the Willard Romneys.
> >> >> It's the White Male Power Structure ceding the road to your most
> >> >> horrifying nightmares...the minorities you thought you had kept
> in >> >> their places.
> >> >> All you have left is your greed and your gawd and your guns.
> >> >> Don't worry: we promise to bury them with you in the grave
> we've >> set >> up for you.
> >> >> >> And for gawd sake, I realize it's a Usenet faux pas to
> >> criticize >> >>
> >> spelling-which-is-not-an-obvious-typo-or-proofreading-fukup, but is
> >> >> >> it really too much to expect you members of the right-wing
> >> filth >> >> brigade at least to want to be literate if what little
> >> ejukayshun >> you >> get fails to bring the enlightment of
> >> progressives to your >> stunted, >> atrophic brains? >> > > >> >> > I must have really touched a nerve there - they are even more
> >> >> > desperate than I thought.
> >> >> Not any more desperate than your kin, that Tex-Ass judge, who
> >> >> apparently is ready for civil war if the "Kenyan socialist" gets
> >> >> another four years.
> >> >> What's the matter? You some kinda chickenshit? Why am I not
> >> >> surprised?
> >> > Winston, maybe you should get back on your meds.
> >> So you inartfully avoided talking about your Tex-Ass kin there.
> > I have "Tex-Ass kin"?
> >> Why
> >> is it you right wingers will do anything, including and especially
> >> tearing apart the republic, to maintain your power and impose your
> >> insidious cultural mix of greed, gawd and guns?
> > "tearing apart the republic"? I don't know any right-wingers who
> > would do that, it's mostly socialists and other left-wing losers.
> > (No offence.)
> >> Let's make a deal: We let you cut out a good swath of Georgia and
> >> the Carolinas---that way you get a coastline and are not
> >> landlocked---and the lot of you knuckle-dragging vermin can all
> >> migrate there where you can indulge your psychopathologies free of
> >> liberals, and you can set up a constitution where you end the lives
> >> of any who dares express a progressive thought? That work for you?
> >> It's as good a deal as your jackass ancestors of the Confederate
> >> States of America never got and should have been given. Look at
> the >> bright side: you can own an Obama finally rather than having
> to call >> him "Mister President."
> > Since conservatives outnumber leftists by a 2-to-1 margin, should we
> > get more land?
> Even after I get your definition of "conservative" and "leftist," I'm
> pretty sure your estimate would not stand up even to a slow-witted
> child's scrutiny.
Conservatives continue to make up the largest segment of political
views in the country, outnumbering liberals nearly two-to-one,
according to a new poll Thursday.
The Gallup survey found that 40 percent of Americans consider
themselves conservative; 35 percent consider themselves moderate; and
21 percent see themselves as liberal. The figures did not change from
2010.
For the third straight year, conservatives outnumbered both moderates
and liberals.
> But leaving that aside, with the offer of the paltry plot of real
> estate given, what ever happened to those vaunted virtues and super
> skills of the magnificent right wing
Ah, you've heard about those...
> wherein it can make something
> from nothing, turn disadvantage into advantage, and conquer adversity
> with a show of prosperity?
Thanks, I couldn't have put it better myself.
> I guess you're telling me that was all a
> load of bullshit...?
Of course not - it was those very attributes that built the U.S.A. into
the greatest nation in human history.
> Enraged Apostate, World Citizen (formerly Winston Smith, American
> Patriot) wrote:
>> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Mon 03 Sep 2012
>> 02:02:10a
>> > Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
>> >> Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012
>> 01:02:23p >>
>> >> > Anybody that believes anything a "union official" says is a
>> fool.... >> >
>> >> Are you fucking serious???
>> >> You preserved more than 500 lines of attributed text to give this
>> >> one-line reply???
>> >> Do you know how much needless bandwidth contributes to the now
>> widely >> acknowledged and accepted problem of anthropogenic
>> >> global-fucking-warming, you scumbag misanthrope!!???
>> > Decaf, Winston, decaf.
>> Actually, the best combinination before undertaking the job of
>> disinfecting the world of right wingers would be a mix of cocaine and
>> PCP.
> Another left-wing plan to get on drugs and commit mass homicide?
>> FYI to the janitors.
>> Who's Winston?
> If you're going to try to hide behind a new 'nym, you need to remember
> *not* to sign your original name.
Winston's been around for the better part of a decade.
It's time for a metamorphosis---something I've already been contemplating anyway. And a metamorphosis is certainly something not to be kept a secret, but rather an event for which I would call upon many to witness. "Winston" has never been a nym-shifting asshole like many a right winger who posted to alt.politics.bush or the other political newsgroups. "Winston" never gave a shit whether was on thousands of killfiles...the killfile keeper's loss, it was.
This new nym will definitely last a while, since this world's greatest scourge today is religion, as it seems to have been over the millenia. The believers are more dangerous than ever, and need to be fed to the lions.
You can take credit---or blame, depending on one's point of view---for providing the opportunity and the moment of the nym change. I am even thinking of adding "made possible by Slackjaw" to the From line or to the sig for the next several hundred posts, just so your ilk takes to reviling you for your boneheaded act. Of course, you could take this time to make your own metamorphosis, reject the Dark Side, come to your senses, and repudiate the times that you were ever right wing scum. Progressives welcome converts, and by nature are into forgiveness.
-- Right-wing talking points show a popular appeal in
the same way that trainwrecks are morbidly fascinating.
But soon after the desire to be horrified at the spectacle passes,
the realization soon follows that it is all an ugly, bloody mess,
and it will only be cleaned up with leftist methods and a liberal in charge.
Patriot) wrote:
> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Tue 04 Sep 2012
> 07:08:51p
> > Enraged Apostate, World Citizen (formerly Winston Smith, American
> > Patriot) wrote:
> >> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Mon 03 Sep 2012
> >> 02:02:10a
> >> > Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
> >> >> Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012
> >> 01:02:23p >>
> >> >> > Anybody that believes anything a "union official" says is a
> >> fool.... >> >
> >> >> Are you fucking serious???
> >> >> You preserved more than 500 lines of attributed text to give
> this >> >> one-line reply???
> >> >> Do you know how much needless bandwidth contributes to the now
> >> widely >> acknowledged and accepted problem of anthropogenic
> >> >> global-fucking-warming, you scumbag misanthrope!!???
> >> > Decaf, Winston, decaf.
> >> Actually, the best combinination before undertaking the job of
> >> disinfecting the world of right wingers would be a mix of cocaine
> and >> PCP.
> > Another left-wing plan to get on drugs and commit mass homicide?
> >> FYI to the janitors.
> >> Who's Winston?
> > If you're going to try to hide behind a new 'nym, you need to
> > remember not to sign your original name.
> Winston's been around for the better part of a decade.
> It's time for a metamorphosis---something I've already been
> contemplating anyway. And a metamorphosis is certainly something not
> to be kept a secret, but rather an event for which I would call upon
> many to witness. "Winston" has never been a nym-shifting asshole
> like many a right winger who posted to alt.politics.bush or the other
> political newsgroups. "Winston" never gave a shit whether was on
> thousands of killfiles...the killfile keeper's loss, it was.
> This new nym will definitely last a while, since this world's
> greatest scourge today is religion,
Are you referring to Islam?
> as it seems to have been over the
> millenia. The believers are more dangerous than ever, and need to be
> fed to the lions.
> You can take credit---or blame, depending on one's point of
> view---for providing the opportunity and the moment of the nym
> change.
Glad to help.
> I am even thinking of adding "made possible by Slackjaw" to
> the From line or to the sig for the next several hundred posts, just
> so your ilk takes to reviling you for your boneheaded act.
OK.
> Of
> course, you could take this time to make your own metamorphosis,
> reject the Dark Side, come to your senses, and repudiate the times
> that you were ever right wing scum. Progressives welcome converts,
> and by nature are into forgiveness.
No thanks, I was a liberal in my youth, before I got a job, and saw my
first paycheck. Then I became a conservative.
> Enraged Apostate, World Citizen (formerly Winston Smith, American
> Patriot) wrote:
>> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Tue 04 Sep 2012
>> 07:08:51p
>> > Enraged Apostate, World Citizen (formerly Winston Smith, American
>> > Patriot) wrote:
>> >> "Slackjaw" <Oklah...@spacealliance.com> wrote on Mon 03 Sep 2012
>> >> 02:02:10a
>> >> > Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
>> >> >> Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 02 Sep 2012
>> >> 01:02:23p >>
>> >> >> > Anybody that believes anything a "union official" says is a
>> >> fool.... >> >
>> >> >> Are you fucking serious???
>> >> >> You preserved more than 500 lines of attributed text to give
>> this >> >> one-line reply???
>> >> >> Do you know how much needless bandwidth contributes to the now
>> >> widely >> acknowledged and accepted problem of anthropogenic
>> >> >> global-fucking-warming, you scumbag misanthrope!!???
>> >> > Decaf, Winston, decaf.
>> >> Actually, the best combinination before undertaking the job of
>> >> disinfecting the world of right wingers would be a mix of cocaine
>> and >> PCP.
>> > Another left-wing plan to get on drugs and commit mass homicide?
>> >> FYI to the janitors.
>> >> Who's Winston?
>> > If you're going to try to hide behind a new 'nym, you need to
>> > remember not to sign your original name.
>> Winston's been around for the better part of a decade.
>> It's time for a metamorphosis---something I've already been
>> contemplating anyway. And a metamorphosis is certainly something not
>> to be kept a secret, but rather an event for which I would call upon
>> many to witness. "Winston" has never been a nym-shifting asshole
>> like many a right winger who posted to alt.politics.bush or the other
>> political newsgroups. "Winston" never gave a shit whether was on
>> thousands of killfiles...the killfile keeper's loss, it was.
>> This new nym will definitely last a while, since this world's
>> greatest scourge today is religion,
> Are you referring to Islam?
With the possible exception of Buddhism, there isn't a one of them that hasn't been a scourge to the planet. More have been murdered or put to death in religious wars in the names of Abraham, Jesus Christ, and Mohammed than died by any other cause. Two in three people on the planet are the so-
called children of Abraham: it's time they grow up and are told that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam exist to control and to fukup their lives.
You seem to be a smart guy and realize that.
>> as it seems to have been over the
>> millenia. The believers are more dangerous than ever, and need to be
>> fed to the lions.
>> You can take credit---or blame, depending on one's point of
>> view---for providing the opportunity and the moment of the nym
>> change.
> Glad to help.
>> I am even thinking of adding "made possible by Slackjaw" to
>> the From line or to the sig for the next several hundred posts, just
>> so your ilk takes to reviling you for your boneheaded act.
> OK.
Sig line now edited for the next several hundred posts. You may come to regret that (association).
>> Of
>> course, you could take this time to make your own metamorphosis,
>> reject the Dark Side, come to your senses, and repudiate the times
>> that you were ever right wing scum. Progressives welcome converts,
>> and by nature are into forgiveness.
> No thanks, I was a liberal in my youth, before I got a job, and saw my
> first paycheck. Then I became a conservative.
So fear made you a conservative. The fear of not getting a paycheck or the fear of not having a job.
It's precisely through fear that this is how they control you.
Religions.
And the Hitlers and the Himmlers and the Margaret Thatchers and the Stalins, not to mention the Romneys and Ryans and Bushes and Cheneys and Reagans of Washington, D.C.
They control YOU through fear.
As to religions, the high ranking of all the Christian sects learned in a hurry that it was not this love-of-gawd shit through which the masses were enthralled: it was the fear-of-gawd. Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jim and Tammy Faye, Jeffers, the Mormon "apostles,"...all these bastards scare the shit out of the flock rather than appeal to their ideals and virtues.
Political leaders--including the would-be kind (some of whom are named above)--of "evil" empires and nations throughout history have always ruled through fear and understood that it was not high-minded ideals, including sharing in the wealth of the nation, that kept them in power. You can't be controlled by them appealing to your intelligence and education and them showing you even the slightest respect for any skill or talent you offer other than how you can use those skills and talents in service to that which keeps them in power through fear. And once you do that, you have lost your self-respect.
You are born into a society of humans. You are not born as an individual.
You were not born ALONE. That society helps you and shares its wealth and burdens with you, and you do the same in kind. The Romneys and Bushes and Cheneys encourage you to exalt selfishness and self-centeredness, because this is part of the divide-and-conquer means by which they control through fear and also keeping you disconnected from the group. They can't acquire and keep their power if you connected to the group ("power in numbers"), and especially if that group has some knowledge of ethics---information about what is right and what is wrong. The kind of "capitalism" they preach is the "I built that ALONE" rather than the "we built that together." It's only in this way that they hold your scrotal sac in their hands. And they are holding it.
Stop living in fear. It will eat you up.
-- The Enraged Apostate Formerly Winston Smith, American Patriot. (reset your killfiles)
Made possible by Slackjaw
Right-wing talking points show a popular appeal in
the same way that trainwrecks are morbidly fascinating.
But soon after the desire to be horrified at the spectacle passes,
the realization soon follows that it is all an ugly, bloody mess,
and it will only be cleaned up with leftist methods and a liberal in charge.
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 01:59:10 +0000 (UTC), "bandaged prostate,
<Finding.Rea...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
>You are born into a society of humans. You are not born as an individual.
>You were not born ALONE. That society helps you and shares its wealth and >burdens with you, and you do the same in kind.
Actually, the society I was born into values individuality over group
think and herd mentality that leftists favor.
> The Romneys and Bushes and >Cheneys encourage you to exalt selfishness and self-centeredness, because >this is part of the divide-and-conquer means by which they control through >fear and also keeping you disconnected from the group. They can't acquire >and keep their power if you connected to the group ("power in numbers"), and >especially if that group has some knowledge of ethics---information about >what is right and what is wrong.
Ah yes, the leftists want you to join their group so they can make
sure you think and act as they want you to do.
> The kind of "capitalism" they preach is >the "I built that ALONE" rather than the "we built that together."
It's kind of funny seeing how the leftist fruitcakes disparage self
interested individualism which is the single most important factor
that put mankind at the top of the food chain.
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 01:59:10 +0000 (UTC), Enraged Apostate, World Citizen, wrote:
..
>> You are born into a society of humans. You are not born as an individual.
>> You were not born ALONE. That society helps you and shares its wealth and
>> burdens with you, and you do the same in kind.
> Actually, the society I was born into values individuality over
> group think and herd mentality that
..that right-wing zealots prefer, such as yourself, Crayonne..
>> You are born into a society of humans. You are not born as an individual.
>> You were not born ALONE. That society helps you and shares its wealth and
>> burdens with you, and you do the same in kind. The Romneys and Bushes and
>> Cheneys encourage you to exalt selfishness and self-centeredness, because
>> this is part of the divide-and-conquer means by which they control through
>> fear and also keeping you disconnected from the group. They can't acquire
>> and keep their power if you connected to the group ("power in numbers"), and
>> especially if that group has some knowledge of ethics---information about
>> what is right and what is wrong. The kind of "capitalism" they preach is
>> the "I built that ALONE" rather than the "we built that together."
> It's kind of funny seeing how the leftist fruitcakes disparage
While you try to disparage those who do agree to your 'group think
and herd mentality' of greed and sociopathic projections..
--Got any of those "magnetic capacitors" yet, skippy?
