#Oral Roberts dead, age 91
5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09
Evangelist Oral Roberts dead at 91
By Raw Story
Tuesday, December 15th, 2009 -- 3:58 pm
Dr. Oral Roberts, a legendary evangelist who rose from humble
beginnings to become one of the most influential Christian leaders of
the 20th century, died today in Newport Beach, Calif., due to
complications from pneumonia," a press release issued by his ministry
announced Tuesday.
A memorial website devoted to his memory says, "Granville Oral Roberts
was one of the most famous and influential Christian leaders of the
twentieth century."
Milt
Oh.
Billary/2009
Well now Mr. Roberts knows the answer to the greatest mystery of them
all.
In a way. I hope it's all true. Sadly, I believe that it is not.
5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09
I don't think I would want to be in a heaven that was reserved for
folk like him.
>
Phlip
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:05:01 -0800 (PST), "Billary/2009"
>> Well now Mr. Roberts knows the answer to the greatest mystery of them
>> all.
>> In a way. I hope it's all true. Sadly, I believe that it is not.
>
> I don't think I would want to be in a heaven that was reserved for
> folk like him.
Allah, Oral. Oral, this is Allah.
Rick Saunders
<ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> I don't think I would want to be in a heaven that was reserved for
> folk like him.
I don't think you need to worry about that.
Take that as you will. ;}
Billary/2009
You're not going to heaven Zippy. Neither am I.
Milt
wrote:
Of course, if your belief is correct, then he doesn't know much of
anything, does he? :)
Milt
and Jerry Falwell are down there wishing they had done things
differently.
Milt
Hope he doesn't crane his neck too much looking up 900 feet.
Billary/2009
And that is the journey we must all make. We just vanish. With no
memory of having been here. No idea of what happens to the planet and
no hope of a return visit. Gloomy isn't it?
Milt
No, not really. To me, anyway. I don't think about it much. There's
nothing we can do about any of it, why worry about it?
When it comes to belief systems, I find most people who have them let
them rule to the extent they never actually live life. Perhaps you
have the right idea by not having one. Enjoy life and be the best
person you can be while you're here, and you're covered in any case.
Billary/2009
This from the guy who told me to just be the best person you can be.
Christians say "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Why
do you think Sanford is still in office?
Milt
wrote:
> On Dec 15, 7:06 pm, Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Dec 15, 5:22 pm, Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > 5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09 wrote:
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> > > > On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:05:01 -0800 (PST), "Billary/2009"
> > > >> Well now Mr. Roberts knows the answer to the greatest mystery of them
> > > >> all.
> > > >> In a way. I hope it's all true. Sadly, I believe that it is not.
>
> > > > I don't think I would want to be in a heaven that was reserved for
> > > > folk like him.
>
> > > Allah, Oral. Oral, this is Allah.
>
> > Hope he doesn't crane his neck too much looking up 900 feet.
>
> This from the guy who told me to just be the best person you can be.
I am. Oral Roberts was a fraud. Being the best person you can be
doesn't mean averting your eyes when someone is committing fraud. In
fact, did you know that the BIBLE demands that you call out "false
prophets" and call them what they are?
> Christians say "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
I'm not casting stones. I'm calling him a fraud. I don't wish him
dead, and I don't bear ill will. I am just noting something he claimed
when he was alive, when he used Jesus to bilk his followers.
> Why
> do you think Sanford is still in office?
Because of something Christ said? Come on, you can't be serious.
Milt
Oh, and by the way, you just told Zepp he was going to hell. I don't
think I'd be so self-righteous if I were you.
Billary/2009
What I said to Zippy is "You're not going to heaven, neither am I". I
didn't imply he was going to Hell. YOU jumped to that conclusion due
to your lack of critical reading skills. In fact I do not believe
there is a Hell. So why would I wish anyone a safe journey there? You
criticize Roberts because he didn't share your beliefs. That's very
liberal and tolerant of you Milty. Pot kettle black.
5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09
Given that usually right wingers tell me to go to hell, this is rather a
nice change.
Oral Roberts should die more often.
I was telling a friend about "Tripping the Rift" the other day. It was a
Canadian cartoon, emphatically not for kids. Ruder than hell, and very
funny.
It's a bunch of aliens. There's a sort of a green octopus with the
manners and morals of Sgt. Bilko; a gay gold robot (think C3P0, only more
precious), a sex slave, and so on.
In the first episode, they decide to take their flying saucer back in
time and see the instant of creation. They aren't looking where they're
going, and they land on--and kill--God. They decide to hightail it back
to their own time, and find it incredibly altered. No war. No famine.
People are honest and friendly. They don't even grasp the concept of
murder, or cheating.
They wind up going back in time again and stopping themselves from
killing God. The Godless universe just bored them to tears.
5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09
No different than before you were born.
5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09
It's not real high on my list of expectations, no.
Of course, what people think of when they think of heaven usually amounts
to a crashing bore. Singing hosannas and even fucking 72 virgins would
pale after a decade or two, and then what? Nothing but more of the same
for all eternity? At that point, you are well and truly fucked, and
might as well be in hell, which at least has good music.
Milt
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> On Dec 15, 8:48 pm, Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Dec 15, 8:33 pm, "Billary/2009" <billaryclinton2...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > > On Dec 15, 7:06 pm, Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Dec 15, 5:22 pm, Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > 5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09 wrote:
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> > > > > > On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:05:01 -0800 (PST), "Billary/2009"
> > > > > >> Well now Mr. Roberts knows the answer to the greatest mystery of them
> > > > > >> all.
> > > > > >> In a way. I hope it's all true. Sadly, I believe that it is not.
>
> > > > > > I don't think I would want to be in a heaven that was reserved for
> > > > > > folk like him.
>
> > > > > Allah, Oral. Oral, this is Allah.
>
> > > > Hope he doesn't crane his neck too much looking up 900 feet.
>
> > > This from the guy who told me to just be the best person you can be.
> > > Christians say "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Why
> > > do you think Sanford is still in office?
>
> > Oh, and by the way, you just told Zepp he was going to hell. I don't
> > think I'd be so self-righteous if I were you.
>
> What I said to Zippy is "You're not going to heaven, neither am I". I
> didn't imply he was going to Hell. YOU jumped to that conclusion due
> to your lack of critical reading skills. In fact I do not believe
> there is a Hell.
So, you believe in hell, and acknowledge there's a heaven, and Zepp's
not going to it. Are you suggesting that, perhaps, you were suggesting
he go to Philadelphia upon death?
> So why would I wish anyone a safe journey there? You
> criticize Roberts because he didn't share your beliefs.
Again, you have a hell of a lot of nerve talking about others'
critical reading skills. I'm not talking about anyone's beliefs, least
of all Roberts'. I'm talking about someone who used others' beliefs to
bilk them out of tens of millions of dollars throughout his life. What
I just criticized has nothing to do with faith; it has to do with
honesty.
> That's very
> liberal and tolerant of you Milty. Pot kettle black.
I see, so if someone comes up to you tomorrow, tells you he has a
personal pipeline to Jesus Christ, and if you want to get to heaven,
you have to give him $10,000, you wouldn't consider him a fraud? You
would just hand over the money and not think of it again? Or would you
assume he's a fraud and take your chances? Is calling him a fraud an
insult to his faith?
And what about those suicide bombers who think blowing themselves and
a few hundred others to smithereens will get them 72 vestal virgins?
You don't consider them fraudulent? Trust me, we both do. Now how come
Muslim frauds deserve criticism, but Christian frauds do not?
I'm sick to death of people doing despicable things and being treated
as untouchable because they claim a belief in God. They claim belief
in the Bible, and then use that belief to scam people. Oral Roberts
and now his son, are those types of people. They may actually believe
in Jesus. But that doesn't give them the right to fleece others who
believe.
5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09
"What happened to Jesus?"
"Oh, he heard about the 72 virgins and converted"
5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09
What!? Philadelphia! Oh, fuck, NO! Right, that's it: I'm going to live
forever, even if it means having so much time I can memorize the plot of
"Lost". Anything's better than Philadelphia.
Billary/2009
wrote:
The Christian case for belief in an afterlife. Is the fact that we
came into this life with no knowledge of it beforehand. If we didn't
know about this life. How could we know about the next?
Billary/2009
Hey you live in Kalifornia that's bad enough. Your state is broke,
you're overrun by crime, overrun by illegals who burden your social
systems and quickly becoming the worlds leading third world country.
It's your own personal hell.
Milt
Not all of California is the same. There are two pockets by the coast
that are just incredibly overcrowded; the rest of the state ranges
from quite depressing (like the area along the Arizona border) to
breathtaking (the Sierra Nevada mountains and the area along the
Oregon border.) Everyone's broke right now, so that's no big deal. As
for the undocumented immigrants, they're literally everywhere, they
work hard, and they actually don't use social systems very much,
because they want to go undetected.
If California is a third world country, then why do you have to make
six figures to be able to live even somewhat comfortably in the Bay
Area? Are a lot of "third world countries" able to get $1500 a month
to rent a studio apartment or a half million for a relatively small
condo?
5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09
Really, all we need to do is give the illegal aliens good jobs, and
ship all the Republicans to Mexico, and California would be fine.
5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09
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I live in one of those "breaktaking" areas, and the economy is a ruin.
If it wasn't for the marijuana crop, our county would be destitute
right now. But that's not because of illegal aliens (who actually
help the local economy). It's because one sawmill can do what ten
sawmills were needed for 25 years ago, and one millhand can do what 10
millhands were needed to do in that mill just 10 years ago.
Because of Republican "starve the beast" atitudes, there are nearly no
states services at all left. The roads are still getting plowed, and
people still get food cards, but that's about it.
Milt
<ze...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:51:40 -0800 (PST), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
Yeah, to paraphrase my best friend's father, "Them Republicans could
fuck up an iron ball."
I guess I will never understand the concept whereby the employees (the
government) will tell us what they'll do for us.
The entire Republican Party is made up of people who know the price of
everything and the value of nothing. I wish they'd just go into
oblivion and be done with it.
liberal
Heh, reminds me of a story on a TV scifi series (Twilight Zone?):
Gambler dies and discoveres there is an afterlife. He gets to gamble
at a luxurious casino and always wins. Finally, bored to tears he says
to his spirit guide that he thought heaven would be better than this.
The spirit replies, "What makes you think this is heaven?"
5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09
That's a good one.
Garth Ennis had a series, "The Wormwood Chronicles". The son of Satan
and his good buddy, Jesus, are touring heaven, and Jesus points to one
bearded ME type and says, that guy was a suicide bomber on earth. SoS
(the hero) startles, and asks what the fuckchrist a suicide bomber is
doing in heaven. "Getting his 72 virgins" says Jesus. They follow the
bomber.
He goes into a large room, which has 72 virgins. All squalling red faced
and in need of changing, all slapping the sides of their cribs and
demanding their bottles...
Milt
I still love The Twilight Zone, but only the originals. The remakes
seem to lack an edge. I think something about the restrictions on
content forced Rod Serling to be far more subversive.
>
> Garth Ennis had a series, "The Wormwood Chronicles". The son of Satan
> and his good buddy, Jesus, are touring heaven, and Jesus points to one
> bearded ME type and says, that guy was a suicide bomber on earth. SoS
> (the hero) startles, and asks what the fuckchrist a suicide bomber is
> doing in heaven. "Getting his 72 virgins" says Jesus. They follow the
> bomber.
>
> He goes into a large room, which has 72 virgins. All squalling red faced
> and in need of changing, all slapping the sides of their cribs and
> demanding their bottles...
That would make for a precious irony, wouldn't it?
Wonder how many wingnuts will smack you for making fun of religion for
talking about that? My guess is none, because it's not the "only"
sacred religion.
Milt
Mexico would just send them back to pick lettuce...
5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09
If they were familiar with Garth Ennis' work, they would slink quietly
away while they still had the chance...
As I recall, some of his stuff was on those disks I sent. I may have
hopelessly corrupted your boy...
5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09
...along with a nasty note telling us to dump our trash elsewhere...
Milt
Not possible... He's in the fricking Army, for Chrissakes.
5295 Dead, 428 since 1/20/09
Yeah. I included Ennis on the notion that he wasn't a child.