Iran's Hizzbulah Muslim Terrorists Slaughter Israeli Civilians
I.R.
Ben-Eliezer: Hezbollah responsible for Tuesday`s shooting attack that killed
six near Kibbutz Metzuba
ir
Henrietta K. Thomas
wrote:
>March 15, 2002
>
>Ben-Eliezer: Hezbollah responsible for Tuesday`s shooting attack that killed
>six near Kibbutz Metzuba
What does this have to do with aus.politics?
>ir
>
peter terry
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> March 15, 2002
>
Harry Krause
In the scheme of things, no one gives a tinker's dam what a Jew baiter
like you thinks, Terry.
--
Harry Krause
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Black people, brown people, they're all part of the union. If you don't
like it, then get out, but we're not going to change it. - Cesar Chavez
Jim Patterson
<hkr...@mindspring.com> in uk.politics.misc wrote:
>In the scheme of things, no one gives a tinker's dam what a Jew baiter
>like you thinks, Terry.
Regardless of whatever subject matter this is, congratulation's on being
amongst the few to actually get "tinker's dam" correct with dam and not
damn. I bet you never wait with 'baited' breath either. ;-)
I.R.
ir
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Damn. It's another dam.
ir
Don
not pariah. You are guilty of generalizing and are falling into the same
trap as your Australian nemeses.
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"Don" <don-n...@home.com> wrote in message
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> How do you arrive at this conclusion? The Muslims I know here in Canada
are
> not pariah. You are guilty of generalizing and are falling into the same
> trap as your Australian nemeses.
Some cannot differentiate between:
Jews and Israelis.
Arab Terrorists and Arabs
Arab Terrorists and Muslims
Just proves their ignorance.
I.R.
ir
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ir
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Cyrakis
> not pariah. You are guilty of generalizing and are falling into the same
> trap as your Australian nemeses.
>
Were they dancing and celebrating on 9/11? If not, then they are not good muslims.
I.R.
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That's a good point. Many Arabs/Muslims were dancing
and singing and passing out candy to little kids in
celebration of the WTC and Pentagon attacks. Foremost
in this worldwide celebration were the Arabs calling themselves
"palestinians." We have to wonder if those Arabs/Muslims
who did the right thing by NOT celebrating the slaughter of
3000 innocent civilians got bad rep for not joining the celebration.
ir
Spike Spiegel
> not pariah. You are guilty of generalizing and are falling into the same
> trap as your Australian nemeses.
>
> "I.R." <Let...@JustSayNoToPalestine.org> wrote in message
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> > Arabs and Islam are now a world pariah
> > ir
Well, Don, I can't presume to say exactly how he's arriving at that
conclusion. I'm not sure it's a sincere, honest, reasoned opinion.
It looks like propaganda to me. Offhand, I would guess that he's
repeating an unjustified and false assertion in order to lower the
signal-to-noise ratio and prevent useful communication. Perhaps if he
keeps repeating it, and refusing to discuss it on a factual or logical
basis, weak-minded readers will believe him. Perhaps weak-willed
writers will forbear from writing evidence to the contrary because
they do not wish to be contradicted.
Free speech is a wonderful right and responsibility, but no one ever
said it would be easy to communicate with our fellow humans.
I.R.
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Two numbers:
9 11
QED
ir
Le Mod Pol
Nah it just proves your ignorance
Zastrugus Keeper of the Leaden Key
The arabs and muslims of the world have proven over and over that they are
a cancer on the body of civilization.
That will end. Their fate has been sealed by their own actions.
Arabs and muslims will soon become nothing more than a bad memory.
They are sub-human garbage, walking, talking piles of living waste.
That realization is beginning to dawn on the world.
At some point in the near future, Arabs & Muslims will cease to exist.
Their diseased presence on this world will quickly be forgotten.
It has been so ordained
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VH-ADG
shocked at the absolute stupidity of some of the people in here....
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VH-ADG
> That's a good point. Many Arabs/Muslims were dancing
> and singing and passing out candy to little kids in
> celebration of the WTC and Pentagon attacks.
Define "many".
> Foremost
> in this worldwide celebration were the Arabs calling themselves
> "palestinians."
Proof? Remember before you prattle off your bullshit that the minute the
second plane hit the Israelis were telling the world it was Arafats doing,
and we all found out that was nothing more than a lie.
> We have to wonder if those Arabs/Muslims
> who did the right thing by NOT celebrating the slaughter of
> 3000 innocent civilians got bad rep for not joining the celebration.
Less than 3000 (stop exaggerating). Again though, please supply proof of
your statements. Sounds to me that you are simply dribbling bullshit (as
usual). But now you have made some actual statements I challenge you to
post the proof.
VH-ADG
GET OVER IT.
How many innocent people have died in Afghanistan in the last 25 years?
More than 3000.
VH-ADG
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> Arab/Muslim countries are now a world pariah
Actually,t hat's factually incorrect (as usual for you). Isreal is becoming
the world pariah .. http://www.un.org.
VH-ADG
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> Arab/Muslim countries are now a world pariah
Sorry dickforbrains... that's Israel... as usual you are incorrect.
VH-ADG
Christians in the world.
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CT
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> What an absolutely stupid thing to say ... each day I become more and more
> shocked at the absolute stupidity of some of the people in here....
>
>
too many people that will become converts as a result of reading this text.
Koran 47:4
When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when
you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their
freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.
In the above verse, Mohammed is giving detailed instruction about how to
maim and torture unbelievers in Jihad. And finally when the Muslims are
satisfied enough after torturing and maiming the unbelievers, they should
proceed to demand ransom for the captives. All for the sake for all-merciful
Allah !!
Koran 17:16-17
When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who
have the good things in life and yet transgress; so that Allah's word is
proved true against them: then we destroy them utterly. How many generations
have we destroyed after Noah? And enough is thy Lord to note and see the
Sins of his servants
Here Allah, the God of the Muslims is clearly stating the exact method that
he adopts when he commits genocide of an entire POPULATION. And why does
Allah decide to destroy entire populations? Simply because they don't
believe in Allah and so Allah will kill them all, to take revenge. Next
Allah is indulging in an unbelievable display of conceit. He is actually
BOASTING about how many generations he has destroyed after Noah. If Allah
had a list of his merits, no doubt genocide of numerous generations of
people would top his list. Allah enjoys watching the annhilation of
thousands of Non-Muslims at the hands of his pious followers, the Muslims.
VH-ADG
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>
> Here are some quotes and commentatries of the koran. I hope there are not
> too many people that will become converts as a result of reading this
text.
> Koran 47:4
Funny thing about the Quaran (spelling?) is that it's all in the
interpretation. You are merely quoting one interpretation of it. I know
Muslims and they are nice people who are not hell bent on killing any non
muslim. Indeed, they are very law abiding and just like the rest of us
except for their choice in clothing.
> When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and,
when
> you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their
> freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens.
There are a lot of opinions about what Jihad actually means. Not everyone
looks at it the same way as Bin Laden and his Tellyban friends do. In fact,
I don't see a lot of Muslims running to raise arms against the United
States.
I'm not supporting them by the way, i'm Athiest. I just don't necessarily
agree with the opinion that they are all evil people. Certainly the
loonatic terrorists are, but more muslims are peaceful than are violent (as
with most religions).
VH-ADG
references to murder in the bible, this is what I found.....
The Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) said a great deal about the death
penalty. The Torah (the first 5 books of the Bible) required this punishment
for many transgressions, both civil and religious. Death was usually by
stoning, although one crime required that women be executed by being burned
alive. There were also instances where God murdered individuals for various
activities: Onan avoided getting his former sister-in-law pregnant by
practicing birth control. Lot's wife looked back at her city when it was
being destroyed, etc.
Two conflicting penalties for murder in the book of Genesis
The first mention of the appropriate punishment for a murder is in Genesis
4:11-15.
"And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to
receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;...a fugitive and a vagabond shalt
thou be in the earth. And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever
slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a
mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him." (KJV)
Adam and Eve's sons were Cain, a farmer, and Abel, a shepherd. Each brought
the best that they had had produced as a sacrifice to God. God accepted
Abel's sacrifice of meat but rejected Cain's grain offering. Cain's
resultant disappointment turned to anger; he killed his brother. God cursed
Cain for the murder and sent him to wander the earth. God also put a mark on
Cain's body so that nobody who saw him would be motivated to kill him. If
anyone killed Cain for the murder of his brother, that person would be very
severely punished. Here, banishment and exile is the penalty for murder;
capital punishment is specifically prohibited.
The first mention of capital punishment as a penalty for murder is in
Genesis 9:6:
"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the
image of God made he man." (KJV)
This passage regards the killing of a human as an offense against God
because humans were made in the image of God, both male and female. Unlike
the previous passage which required that the murderer be merely exiled, this
verse required the murderer to be killed.
Capital crimes, according to rest of the the Hebrew Scriptures
If sufficient proof were provided that a person had committed any of the
crimes listed below, the state imposed the death penalty on the guilty
person(s). They were either stoned to death, impaled on a stick or burned
alive. Witnesses who testified at the trial would often participate in the
killing.
Religious Grounds:
Some passages in the Hebrew Scriptures condemned people to death if they
followed a different religious or spiritual path. Quoting from the King
James Version of the Bible, Jehovah required the state to execute a person:
for following another religion: Exodus 22:20 states: He that
sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly
destroyed. See also and Numbers 25:1-15.
for a stranger entering the temple: Numbers 1:51 states (in part):
...when the tabernacle is to be pitched, the Levites shall set it up: and
the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death. See also Numbers 3:10,
18:7 and 17:13.
for proselytizing: Deuteronomy 13:1-10 states that a person who tries
to convince an Israelite to convert to another religion must be killed.
for communicating with the dead: Leviticus 20:27 calls for the
execution by stoning of all mediums and spiritists (aka spiritualists), both
male and female.
for black magic: Exodus 22:18 states: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to
live. This is a mistranslation. The passage has nothing to do with Wicca or
other forms of Neo-paganism, which are the only types of Witchcraft that are
practiced today in North America in significant numbers . The original
Hebrew word is translated "sorceress" in most other versions of the Bible. A
more accurate phrase would be "women who engage in black magic, harming
others by the use of spoken curses." Men are left off the hook.
Sexual grounds:
Other passages required people to be stoned to death or even burned alive
for sexual activities:
for adultery: Leviticus 20:10 states: And the man that committeth
adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his
neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to
death. This is repeated in Deuteronomy 22:22
for incest: Leviticus 20:11 states: And the man that lieth with his
father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall
surely be put to death... See also Leviticus 20, verses 12 and 14. Verse 17
prescribe excommunication for incest with one's sister or step-sister.
for temple prostitution: Leviticus 20:13 states: If a man also lie
with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an
abomination: they shall surely be put to death.... This verse is often
incorrectly interpreted to refer generally to homosexual behavior. See also
Deuteronomy 22:24. Both verses, in the original Hebrew, refer to homosexual
prostitution in Pagan temples, which was a common religious practice in the
tribes surrounding the Israelites.
for bestiality: Leviticus 20:15 states: And if a man lie with a beast,
he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. And if a woman
approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman,
and the beast.... See also Exodus 22:19.
for sexual activity before marriage: Deuteronomy 22:13-21 concludes:
Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and
the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die...".. Note that
this applied only to women who had been presented as virgin brides and could
be proven to have engaged in intercourse before being engaged or married.
There appears to have been no penalty for men who engaged in pre-marital
sexual activity.
for sexual activity with both a woman and her mother: Deuteronomy
20:14 requires that all three be burned alive.
for being seduced if engaged: Deuteronomy 22:23-24 states: If a damsel
that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the
city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of
that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die. Note that this
applied only to engaged women. Her fiancé could (in some cases) have sexual
access to her, but no other man was permitted to engage in such activity as
soon as she became engaged. There appears to have been no penalty for
engaged men who seduced women.
for rape of an engaged woman: Deuteronomy 22:25 states: But if a man
find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with
her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. A man who raped a single
woman who was not engaged would only have to marry her and give 50 shekels
of silver to her father.
for prostitution Leviticus 21:9 states: And the daughter of any
priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her
father: she shall be burnt with fire. Executing someone by burning them
alive appears to be reserved for a narrow range of criminal acts.
Other grounds:
Some grounds for the death penalty involved activities that were not related
to other religions or to sexual activities:
(sometimes) for committing murder: Levitucus 24:17 requires that "he
that killeth any man shall surely be put to death." Leviticus 24:21 repeats
this requirement. See also Numbers 35:16 and Deuteronomy 17:6. The Hebrew
word "ratsach" in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) and the Greek word
"phoneuo" in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) are generally
mistranslated into the English word "kill." They actually mean "to murder
with premeditation."
However, Exodus 21:20, states that if a slave-owner kills his male or
female slave, he shall be merely "punished." The nature of the punishment is
not specified. The murderer would presumably not receive the death penalty;
if he were to be killed, then one would expect the text to say this
directly. However, if the injured slave lives for a while after the beating
before dying of the abuse, the owner is not punished at all.
for kidnapping: Exodus 21:16 states: And he that stealeth a man, and
selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
This involves kidnapping for the purpose of selling him into slavery. See
also Deuteronomy 24:7.
for human sacrifice: Leviticus 20:2-5 states: Whosoever.... giveth any
of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death. To "give ones seed
to Molech" means to ritually sacrifice one's child to a Pagan God.
for cursing parents: Exodus 21:17 states: And he that curseth his
father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. See also Leviticus
20:9. The exact meaning of the key Hebrew word is ambiguous; it might mean,
in English, to curse or blaspheme, or to degrade or shame.
for abusing one's parents: Exodus 21:15 states: And he that smiteth
his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
for careless handling of an animal: Exodus 21:29 states: But if the ox
.....hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner
also shall be put to death. If an animal has the habit of injuring others,
and the owner does not kill it, then the both the owner and the ox may be
put to death.
for stubbornness and rebellion: Deuteronomy 21:18-21 states: If a man
have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his
father, or the voice of his mother.....all the men of his city shall stone
him with stones, that he die..... Because of the ambiguities in some of the
words used in the original text, the death penalty might not have been
required in this case.
for blasphemy: Leviticus 24:16 states: And he that blasphemeth the
name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death. Blasphemy was defined as
uttering the name of Jehovah while cursing.
for working on Saturday: Exodus 35:2 states: ...but on the seventh day
there shall be to you an holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever
doeth work therein shall be put to death. Numbers 15:32-36 described a man
who was executed because he gathered wood on Saturday.
for ignoring the decision of a priest or judge: Deuteronomy 17:12
states: And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto
the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto
the judge, even that man shall die....
for perjury: Deuteronomy 19:15-21 states in part (with reference to a
murder trial) ....if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified
falsely against his brother; then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to
have done unto his brother.... That is, a perjurer would himself be killed.
for accidentally killing a pregnant woman: Exodus 21:22-23 states: "If
men strive [i.e. fight], and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit
depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished,
according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the
judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for
life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning
for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." If two men are fighting
and accidentally hurt a pregnant woman so that she has a miscarriage, then:
if the woman fully recovers, then the man responsible will have
to pay a fine to the woman's husband.
if the woman dies, then the man would be killed also.
if some other harm comes to the woman, (e.g. loss of an eye or
tooth) then that would be inflicted upon the man as well.
Some Bible translations, supported by conservative Christian
denominations, translate miscarriage as "premature birth." And they
interpret verse 23 to include death of the newborn. However, this
translation is rare.
Still more grounds for execution:
A male who was not circumcised: Genesis 17:14
Eating leavened bread during the Feast of Unleavened Bread: Exodus
12:15
Manufacturing anointing oil: Exodus 30:33
Engaging in ritual animal sacrifices other than at the temple:
Leviticus 17:1-9
Consuming blood: Leviticus 17:10
Eating peace offerings while ritually unclean: Leviticus 7:20
Waiting too long before consuming sacrifices: Leviticus 19:5-8
Sexual activity with a woman who is menstruating: Leviticus 20:18
Going to the temple in an unclean state: Numbers 19:13
Persons teaching another religion: Deuteronomy 13:1-11
A prophet whose prophecy does not come true: Deuteronomy 18:22
Gluttony and excessive drinking: Deuteronomy 21:20
Activities for which God Imposed the Death Penalty Directly
God killed individuals because they engaged in various transgressions:
for wickedness In Genesis 6, God was disappointed at the wickedness
and evil acts of humanity. He sent the flood in Genesis 7:6 which killed
every man, woman, child, infant, new-born and animal, except for those who
were in Noah's ark. This is as close as humanity has come to a complete
genocide. The exact nature of the wickedness is not defined. God also killed
Er in Genesis 38:8 for some unknown form of wickedness.
for being abusive to strangers In Genesis 18:20, God had heard that
the people of Sodom were wicked and evil. He sent some angels there, who
confirmed the stories. In Genesis 19:24, God demolished Sodom and all of its
men, women, children, infants, new-born, plants and animals, except for
Lot's family. The crime of the people of Sodom has been interpreted by some
to be homosexual rape, and by others to be any form of homosexual behavior.
But it was clearly lack of hospitality to strangers, as seen in Jesus'
comments in Matthew 10:14-15 and Luke 10:7. This is confirmed in Ezekeiel
16:48-50.
for being excessively curious: In Genesis 19:17, the angels told Lot
to: ....Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all
the plain; escape to the mountain.... Lot's wife looked back. God killed her
and turned her into a pillar of salt.
for practicing birth control: Onan was required by Jewish law and
tradition to marry his brother's widow and have a male child who would be
considered the brother's heir. This is called levirate marriage. He didn't
want to do this, and so practiced an elementary form of birth control
(coitus interruptus). God killed him. This was first interpreted by the
Church as punishment for a sexual sin: avoiding pregnancy through the use of
a birth control technique. Later, in spite of all evidence to the contrary,
the Church said it was masturbation. "Onanism" became a synonym for
auto-eroticism. Recent Biblical scholars interpret his crime as refusal to
follow Jewish custom and provide an heir.
for lying about Church donations: Acts 5:1 to 11 describe how a
couple, Ananias and Sapphira sold an piece of real estate. They gave part of
the money to the apostles, claiming it was the full proceeds from the sale.
Peter interpreted their act as lying to the Holy Ghost. God killed Ananias
on the spot. Three hours later, Sapphira repeated the lie to Peter. He
cursed her and God killed her immediately. Members of the church were
understandably terrified.
Capital crimes according to the Christian Scriptures
The Christian Scriptures (New Testament) do not contain codes of law which
govern the death penalty. However there were many references to capital
punishment which indicate that the Hebrew Scripture's codes were still being
applied during the 1st century CE:
Mark 14:62: Jesus was accused of blasphemy. The high priest asked Jesus
Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?. Jesus replied I am: and ye
shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in t
he clouds of heaven. Matthew 26:64 and Luke 22:70 contradict Mark's account;
they record Jesus as sidestepping the question. However, Christ was still
found guilty of blasphemy.
John 8:3 - 8:11: This famous passage describes an adulteress who was
scheduled for stoning. Jesus told her executioners He that is without sin
among you, let him first cast a stone at her. These verses have often been
quoted to indicate Jesus' opposition to the death penalty. However, this
passage is apparently a Christian forgery; it is not present in the oldest
manuscripts of the Gospel of John, but was added later by unknown person(s).
Besides, Jesus does not challenge the right of the accusers to kill her
according to the Mosaic law.
Acts 6:8 - 7:60 Stephen, a Christian, was found guilty of blasphemy and
stoned to death.
Romans 13:1-5 Paul instructs Christians to submit themselves to the
authority of the state, because "The authorities that exist have been
established by God." Referring to the authorities, Paul writes in Verse 4:
"For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong be afraid, for
he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of
wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer." The reference to "sword" might
be interpreted literally (to refer to capital punishment) or symbolically
(to refer to the power of the state to punish wrongdoers).
E. Barry Bruyea
wrote:
>Hate to let fact stand in the way of a good rant. But Muslims outnumber
>Christians in the world.
So, that makes them right? If numbers counted, the Arabs would have
won a war or two against Israel; instead, they get their collective
asses kicked every time. No Islamic Country has won a significant war
in a thousand years, so numbers don't seem to matter much, do they?
Tubesteak Morris
> Now, you've got it right...
>
> The arabs and muslims of the world have proven over and over that they are
> a cancer on the body of civilization.
>
> That will end. Their fate has been sealed by their own actions.
> Arabs and muslims will soon become nothing more than a bad memory.
>
> They are sub-human garbage, walking, talking piles of living waste.
>
> That realization is beginning to dawn on the world.
>
> At some point in the near future, Arabs & Muslims will cease to exist.
> Their diseased presence on this world will quickly be forgotten.
>
> It has been so ordained
>
Is that so? How do you get the inside scoop on what is ordained? If
you let me in I could get a couple lottery tickets and let you share
the winnings.
I.R.
links, and video. This poster can search
the archives of these newsgroups and it
will be there.
ir
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of the Arab/Muslim Terrorists are
either in prison, blown up, or five
foot under.
ir
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Don
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JR
> So, that makes them right? If numbers counted, the Arabs would have
> won a war or two against Israel; instead, they get their collective
> asses kicked every time. No Islamic Country has won a significant war
> in a thousand years, so numbers don't seem to matter much, do they?
What about Afghanistan? Afghans resisted Superpower occupation for 10
years and eventually kicked out the Russians. In my book that means
they won. Wow, considering what a victory that was for the free
world, people have a pretty short attention span.
VH-ADG
"I.R." <Let...@JustSayNoToPalestine.org> wrote in message
> All of this stuff has been proved with articles,
No it hasn't.
> links, and video. This poster can search
> the archives of these newsgroups and it
> will be there.
All I find with searching is your ranting without proof. Don't know about
you, but I live in the real world. That's the world where the terrorists
attack and the Israeli terrorists attack back. Where there is a circle of
violence and where there are a number of absolute tools like you plying
their crap in the newsgroups. I suggest you go and have a look at that
world.
Le Mod Pol
>
> Grow up VH-ADG
>
Le Mod Pol
>
> What an absolutely stupid thing to say ... each day I become more and more
> shocked at the absolute stupidity of some of the people in here....
>
wake up newbie loser
Dave Simpson
> >Hate to let fact stand in the way of a good rant. But Muslims outnumber
> >Christians in the world.
>
> So, that makes them right?
Remember the cliche-worn libertarian saying: "Democracy is two
wolves and a sheep voting on the next meal."
> If numbers counted, the Arabs would have
> won a war or two against Israel; instead, they get their collective
> asses kicked every time.
What's regrettable even more than our not going all the way to
Baghdad in our Gulf War (we backed off to keep Iraq intact against the
Iranian threat) is that Israel didn't go all the way to BCD: Beirut,
Cairo, and Damascus. It had been earned.
> No Islamic Country has won a significant war in a thousand years, so numbers
> don't seem to matter much, do they?
Bin Laden's remorse about the pain of Andalusia (Muslims being
expelled from the southern part of Spain) isn't the worst. The
Muslims not only were defeated just 180 miles (300 km) from Paris at
Poitiers, but our oft-neglected Byzantine relatives may not have held
out against the Ottoman Turks, but they did hold against the Muslim
Arab onslaught before that. Imagine not only an overrunning of Paris
and onward by the Muslims, but at the same time a breakout in Eastern
Europe and then over the mountains to the German Plain and onward...
But it was the Turks, not the Arabs, who took Constantinople,
centuries later.
Islam never got as far as it wanted or could have.
Bin Laden: Ha, ha, ha. Spires rather than Minarets in Oxford!
http://www.telepath.com/hawkwood/tours.htm
http://campus.northpark.edu/history/WebChron/WestEurope/Tours.html
http://www.standin.se/fifteen07a.htm
...
http://www.sparknotes.com/history/european/middle2/section1.html
Eastern European history is like Eastern Europe, "muddier" than its
western counterparts. The following is similar to that in a history
book I have and it stresses the importance of the two beatings-back of
the Arabs at Constantinople (674-78, 717-18).
"We often hail the battle of Tours as the victory that saved
Christendom from Arab conquest, but the unsuccessful sieges of
Constantinople were just as important for the same reason. If the
Byzantine capital had fallen to the Moslems at this date, nobody
living north or west of it would have been safe. The tribes living in
Eastern Europe at this time--Slavs, Avars, Danube Bulgars and
Magyars--probably would have accepted Islam willingly under such
circumstances; now they would become Christians instead.
Constantinople protected Europe's eastern door for the entire Middle
Ages. When it finally fell to the Turks in the fifteenth century,
Europe was ready to defend itself."
(The Turks got as far as Vienna, though!)
http://xenohistorian.faithweb.com/neareast/ne09b.html
Dave Simpson
Zastrugus Keeper of the Leaden Key
But if you believe that I would use my influence on such mundane
things as lotto, that I find offensive. I consider your ignorance and
accept your apology.
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peter terry
pinhead somewhere else.
"Harry Krause" <hkr...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> peter terry wrote:
> > "I.R." <Let...@JustSayNoToPalestine.org> wrote in message
Tubesteak Morris
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Fred Cherry
>On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:57:42 GMT, "I.R." <Let...@JustSayNoToPalestine.org>
>wrote:
>>March 15, 2002
>>
>>Ben-Eliezer: Hezbollah responsible for Tuesday`s shooting attack that killed
>>six near Kibbutz Metzuba
>What does this have to do with aus.politics?
>>ir
>>
What does this have to do with aus.politics, you ask? Perhaps some people
in Australia, such as the notorious homonazi NAMBLA supporter Rod Swift,
approve of the actions of Hezbollah and have posted messages of approval.
jo...@world.std.com (Fred Cherry)
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& Elector of Homophobia