TITANIC SANK NOT BECAUSE OF DESIGN (was EIR Talks Interviews Lyndon LaRouche 12/10/97

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TITANIC SANK DUE TO THE OBSESSIVE IDEA THAT IT WAS UNSINKABLE,
NOT BECAUSE OF THE EXISTENCE OF ICE FLOES

``{EIR} Talks'' interviews Lyndon LaRouche.
December 10, 1997 Interviewer: Tony Papert
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TONY PAPERT: Welcome to ``EIR Talks.'' I'm Tony Papert, I'm
standing in for your regular host, Mel Klenetsky, and Lyndon
LaRouche has joined us on the phone from Virginia. Lyn, I
understand the issue of EIR which will come out next week, will
devote its main feature to the British 20th-century writer H.G.
Wells. Why is EIR doing this? What's so important about H.G.
Wells, today?
LAROUCHE: Well, there're two things involved: One, of
course, is that Wells, in 1914, was the person who was the first
publicist to introduce on behalf of the, his friends in the
British aristocracy, a policy of ``nuclear balance of power,'' as
this appeared in a novel which he wrote at that time, just before
World War One. His work was based, scientifically, on the work of
a Frederich Soddy, who was, later won the Nobel Prize in 1921,
for his work on radioactive isotopes, which he'd done,
essentially, initially under, at McGill in Montreal --he's
Brit-- but he worked, studied in Montreal under Lord Rutherford.
So, Wells used that work of Soddy (which he acknowledged in this
particular work), as the basis for saying --we're talking about,
first, nuclear weapons, and nuclear power-- as many people
realize, that the history of this planet, since especially 1945,
has been shaped by nuclear weapons. And, it's the friends of
Wells and Russell who actually {orchestrated, every} step of this
policy.
Now, one of the by-products of this nuclear policy --there
were three policies that Wells was associated with, together with
Russell, beginning 1901, when he first entered, became a rather
famous, or influential, publicist, working with people like Lord
Milner, and the Fabian Society, and so forth, and so on. Ah,
three things: One was the nuclear weapons. The use of nuclear
weapons as a weapon so terrible that nations would give up their
national sovereignty, to accept overlordship by world government.
That was number one for Wells. Number two, was, he was a complete
wild ecologist; and, came out with these crazy sexual theories,
which were the basis of most of his utopian doctrines, hmm? And,
also, he was involved, specifically, in the larger World
Government effort, which came from various people, including this
group around the Coefficients, as such.

Russell, Behind Hiroshima, Worked Closely With Krushchev
And His Agent Szilard in Setting Up the Cuba Missile Crisis

Now, the result of that, is that, after the Missile Crisis,
in 1962-- Wells was dead, he died in 1945, but Russell was
continuing his policy. Russell was the man who, his commentary--
Russell, in effect, was the guy who was responsible for the
policy behind Winston Churchill's inducing Truman to drop two
nuclear weapons on Japan, on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. As a matter
of fact, Wells wrote a commentary, or gave a commentary,
right after the dropping of the bomb on Nagasaki. Russell also
sought for himself the British Military Order of Merit for this
work in pushing a global nuclear balance of power conflict in the
postwar period. Russell worked closely with Krushchev, together
with his, Russell's, agent in the United States, Leo Szilard --
the key Russell agent in events which led up to the 1962 Missile
Crisis (It was orchestrated.)
As Krushchev mis-estimated Kennedy under the heat of the
Missile Crisis, Krushchev and the Soviet Union {backed down} to
the United States, in the Missile Crisis. {But,} especially after
the assassination of Kennedy, the shock of the going to the brink
of a general global thermonuclear war, had an effect upon the
population, particularly the people who were in the so-called
``Baby-Boomer'' generation at the time, which turned the
country's policies --and much of the world's policy-- totally
away from our previous emphasis in all modern society, on
investment in scientific and technological progress.

How the Missle Crisis Cultural Shock
Was Used to Brainwash Americans Away from Progress

And, you suddenly found young people, who were, came from
families, who --they were college students (I was on campus,
teaching a course on various campuses between '66 and '73 and I
{saw} this-- not eyewitness, to some of this other stuff, but I
saw what was going on. That the {bright kids}, from the student
--university students --were running in the basements and the
corners of the classrooms and the bushes. And, if you say, ``What
about reality, kiddoes?'' And, they would say, ``We don't go
there.'' They don't go to ``The 'Nam'' -- Vietnam; they don't go
to {anyplace.}
And, the shock of this produced changes in the policymaking
of the United States and other nations. So, today our sovereignty
{is} almost gone. Supranational institutions {do} constitute a
virtual World Government. We have this Kyoto farce --Kyoto in
Japan farce-- in which the British are demanding that the United
States economy virtually be {shut down} over these issues, these
Malthusian issues. That the United States be put under a World
Government, in effect. So, that's already in progress. We have
destroyed our economy; we are, the world economy is now in a
{terminal} state of collapse. This is not a business cycle, this
is the {absolute disintegration of the entire} --oops, we'll have
to get back to this....
PAPERT: This is EIR Talks; we'll be right back with Lyndon
LaRouche.
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Wells: Propagandist for Post-Modernist Feudalism

EIR: This is ``EIR Talks.'' My name is Tony Papert, we're
on the phone with Lyndon LaRouche in Virginia, who was just
describing the way the United States has destroyed its own
sovereignty, especially over the post-World War II period, in
accordance with ideas publicized by British writer H.G. Wells in
the period 1900 through 1925, especially.
LAROUCHE: Well, so, what happened then, essentially, is that
the economic policies of the United States and other nations, and
these international, supranational organizations, have imposed
upon the world policies which have an {impact} on economic
policy. They are not, strictly, economic policies, so there are
so-called ``economic theories'' which are advanced in order to
justify these things. But, essentially what they've been doing is
shutting down the economy, going back to, shall we say, a
post-modernist, tribal society, some post-modernist version of
feudalism, globally.
Now, as a result of that, we have destroyed the kind of
economy which we had, say, in 1963-64, and so forth. That period
--we've destroyed that physical economy, globally. We have taken
down all of the protective structures of the nation-state, which
made the economy work, formerly. We have shipped our jobs
overseas, and now we get cheaper goods for people who can't
afford to buy them in the United States, that sort of thing--
through cheap labor. Now, the economies in Southeast Asia are
collapsing, and we've reached a point, where, through a series of
bumps, which began to get serious about July of this year, and,
then, through the second half of October through November, the
entire international financial system is now in a process of
disintegration.

Eurasian Financial Meltdowns Will Hit U.S. Very Hard;
Quicker Than You Can Say `{Titanic}'

{Worse}, the kinds of bailout measures which have been
taken, since the finance minister of Japan {refused}-- he went
along with the British and the IMF --refused to accept the
suggestion of U.S. Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, and they went
their own way. And, this had an effect on Korea. So, now, we have
an actual {meltdown} which is going on in Asia; a meltdown which
almost occurred in Russia, this past week or so; a meltdown which
is about to occur in Brazil; and these meltdowns in Asia,
Eurasia, and Europe are going to hit the United States {very}
hard. At present the government is putting out, printing money.
The Federal Reserve System is printing money, just about as fast
as the presses will turn, and pumping it into Wall Street and
similar places, trying to keep this thing alive.
But, it's going to pop. Nothing can save it. Nothing can
prevent this from hitting us with full force here. It could be
the big hole is bigger than your Christmas stocking. It could
come in January. But, right now, the way they're going, they're
doing {now} on a world scale, exactly what the German authorities
in 1921, late '21 through 1923 {did} to create the great Weimar
hyperinflationary bubble, which ended with the German currency
going out of existence! It simply evaporated.
And, then, of course, since there were outside powers--
mainly the United States --we stepped in, in late '23 with the
so-called ``Dawes Plan,'' using U.S. gold, to back the
re-creation of a currency for Germany. But, what happens when the
{whole world} goes into a Weimar-style inflation? Which is what
we're headed for, {right} now. Well, somebody going to come in
from {Saturn,} or someplace? And bail us out? The way Dawes
bailed out Germany? We're headed for the disintegration of the
entire international financial-monetary system quicker than you
can say {Titanic}.
The reason we're in this situation, is {not} just economic
policy. As I said, the economic policies were being governed by,
are just idiocies, which were invented to explain, you know,
excuses, why we do things we do.

Are You Willing to Face Reality, Yet?

The problem is, people are trying to find solutions, which
do not involve giving up those ideologies which are actually at
the root of all the decisions which cause this crisis. And, you
have to give up what's called the ``Baby-Boomer ideology''; that
is, the ideology which came to dominate, those who went through
the universities as students, between 1964 and '72. Those
neo-Malthusian, post-industrial, etc., etc. --all these kinds of
policies. You've got to {give} that up; if you {don't} give it
{up,} you're going to be sitting, sort of like the famous
painting of {Belshazzar's Feast}. You'll be sitting there looking
at the wall, and a finger is writing on the wall, ``{Mene, mene
teckel upharsim}.'' ``This society is finished.''
So, this is the Great Question. And, therefore, my purpose
was (and it's not only my piece, but other pieces, documenting
this), is, to look at this. This is how we destroyed ourselves.
Are you willing to give up the ideology, which is responsible for
the collapse of this economy, in time to save this civilization
and save yourself? Or, are you like one of the passengers on the
{Titanic}, who would not give up their belief in the unsinkable
quality of the ship, even after it was sinking? People who cling
to this, same thing, ``No, it can't happen; it can't happen, it
can't happen, it can't happen.'' Or, are you willing to face
reality?
And, the time has come to recognize, {how} the American
population {was brainwashed} with {ideas}, which were
publicized, through the British --it was a British operation-- but,
were {publicized} through the famous, 1901 to 1928, especially,
H.G. Wells, and his associate, who continued his work after he
died, one of the most evil men of the 20th Century. The man
who's far more evil than Adolf Hitler, if you look at the total
scoreboard: Bertrand Russell.

EIR: Most Americans think of H.G. Wells, if they know of
him, as only a science fiction writer. Speaking of science
fiction, Walter Wriston, the former head of Citibank, recently
appeared on C-Span, talking about ``electronic money created by
PCs,'' and how governments are not necessary. Right after the
commercial, perhaps you could tell us what Walter Wriston is
talking about?
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Walter Wriston Promoted to `Janitor' at Cato Institute

EIR: You're listening to ``EIR Talks,'' this is Tony Papert,
we're on the phone with Lyndon LaRouche from Virginia, and, when
the commercial interrupted us, Lyn was about to discuss the
former Citibank chairman, Walter Wriston, who was recently seen
on television babbling about the creating of money by PCs, and
that governments aren't necessary any longer.
LAROUCHE: This fellah's interesting, because he's of my
generation: He's a World War II veteran. Ah, and I {saw} him.
This address was given on Oct. 14 at a conference of the Cato
Institute --which is a [chuckling] real nest of wild-eyed
goblins, and things like that. But, he'd started out with his
presentation, with a presentation that seemed quite sane. If
you've ever talked to people in mental institutions, you've had
this kind of experience; if you'd talked to somebody, who, you're
convinced, they must be one of the custodians of the place, not
an inmate. Then, you suddenly have a-- reality strikes you and
you realize they {are an inmate,} when they start talking about
the Little Green Men, they-- ahem --that they meet with and work
with everyday. Ah, this is the case with Walter Wriston. Here, he
starts with a report on something which I'd watched very closely
at the time, back in the early 1970s, the so-called ``Herstatt
Collapse'' of the Herstatt bank in Germany, which set forth a
chain reaction, which, at the time, was very threatening to the
international banking system. Well, he talked about that. It was
all kind of quasi-sane. {Then}, with a sudden glint in the corner
of his eye, he went into outer space, without benefit of a rocket
ship.
What he said, essentially, is that, what all of this proves,
is that government's no longer important. That money is no
longer, or, has any reflection of reality. It's {just a matter of
opinion.} Because of, the market is a giant voting machine. And,
we have many kinds of money, E-mail money, imaginary money. And,
the value of-- it's all based on data, not on production. And
what the money-managers, the marketeers, {think}, each day.
{That's the value of money}. And, that {is} money. So, he says,
that these electronic networks are gnawing at the powers of the
State. But, the more significant thing here, is (as he says),
{This process is irreversible}. And, the question is, the
technology will be better, and better, and faster, and faster;
and there's nothing that government can do about it, and this
system will go {on} (implicitly), {forever}.
So, that was October 14, eh? But-- and I'm sure that Wriston
didn't change his opinion after what happened in the last half of
October, and during November and early December. He still
believes it, I'm certain of it. There are a whole lot of people
who believe it, who {say} this. Here's a man, who you formerly--
who starts out, and, as I said, when he begins his address to the
Cato Institute --you think you're talking to the custodian, the
mental institution which he's addressing; and then you realize
that he is one of the most disaffected inmates. Any what,
that's--

The {Titanic} Was an `Unsinkable' Ship, Too

But, that is {typical}. You have people who, like those--
we'll give an example: In this piece in the [EIR}, which is
entitled the ``Wells of Doom,'' on H.G. Wells' publicist activity
and its implications, I refer to the sinking of the {Titanic} as
compared to what's happening to the economy, now. But, the
{Titanic} was a perfectly decent ship. It was well-engineered,
better than most. Faster than most. And, there was nothing in the
design of the ship which should have led to that perfectly
avoidable catastrophe. But, a series of decisions was made, based
on the {delusion} that the ship was unsinkable. This delusion was
shared by the {owners} of the Cunard White Star Line; it was
shared by the British press; it was a policy imposed on the
captain. The captain was supposed to demonstrate in this first,
maiden voyage along the great circle arc, essentially, down
toward New York from Southampton, to demonstrate that this was
the fastest ship in the world, unsinkable.
So, things became a little bit cloudy. He went, sort of went
to bed; and the ship was put on a fast cruising speed, right
through an area where the icebergs come. [tsk] Ah, and it {sank};
because it ripped a hole which cut through the successive areas
and water-tight compartments, and the ship was doomed.
Now, because the {owners} had wanted to impress themselves
that the ship was unsinkable, they had not provided sufficient
lifeboats for the passengers. In fact, under the circumstances,
{had} there been adequate lifeboats, virtually none of the
passengers would have died. If the captain had not been under the
illusion that the ship was unsinkable, and {must} make the voyage
in record time, for a maiden voyage, he would not have made that
decision. Sailing at full cruising speed, right into an ice-pack
area, hmm? We'll get back to this.
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My 1st Long-Range Economic Forecast--And, What Happened:
The 1959-1971 Breakup of the Bretton Woods Agreements

EIR: You're listening to ``EIR Talks''; this is Tony Papert;
we're on the line with Lyndon LaRouche from Virginia. He was just
showing us, that it wasn't actually the iceberg that sunk the
{Titanic}, but the obsessive delusions of the captain, and the
owners: The British government, in the context of the financial
crisis, today.
LAROUCHE: No, today, we can call the sinking of this
present world financial system, a sinking of a {Titanic}.
Because, {exactly} the same problem existed; and, I'm in a
position to say so. For example, back in 1959 in my first general
long-range forecast that I ever made, I said that if the
policies of the Truman, and, especially the Eisenhower
Administration, in terms of those policies which {impact}
economics, if they were continued through the 1960s, during the
second half of the 1960s we must expect a series of international
financial crises, a series of shocks, which would {culminate},
after a number of these shocks, in a collapse of the Bretton
Woods Agreements in their present form. Now, {that happened.}
The shocks began in '67, they continued through '68 and
1969, especially 1970; then, 1971, and the existing Bretton Woods
System collapsed. The agreements were broken, and the world went
into what is called a ``post-industrial society,'' an
unregulated, or floating exchange-rate monetary system.
Now, during that period I forecast that --earlier,
throughout the 1960s-- that if that occurred, and if the
government made the wrong decisions (which I thought it {would}
make, the U.S. Government, and others), then what they would do,
is they would borrow from Adolf Hitler-- at least from his
economics policies --and we would see, instead of {correcting the
errors}, which had {caused} the series of crises and breakdown of
the monetary agreements, we would see measures of austerity.
Well, that's exactly what happened. Some people remember
Phase One, Two, and Three. Phase One and Two were implemented,
Three didn't have to be implemented; it was already {bad enough}.
So, we went into a kind of austerity, and have continued on that
track, of looting previous investments in infrastructure, in
industry, in household development, and education, and so forth.
We've been looting everything to try to keep this system going.
Just like the man who's spending all the assets of his house to
keep his gambling habit going in the gambling house on the way
between home and work. That's happened.
Then, it was obvious what was going to happen after that. We
forecast it. I made efforts to try to get people. I visited
people, various parts of the world, top bankers, governments, and
so forth, my friends and I, both, 1974, 1975, 1976. I, my
proposal was actually adopted, through the intervention of some
friends, by the 1976 Non-Aligned Nations Meeting in Colombo, Sri
Lanka.

Recent History: My Warnings Were Ignored Again and Again;
My Solution-Principle was Rejected for Nazi Austerity

``No.'' Things went on. Then, we had the Volcker measures,
which I warned against, in 1979; exactly these policies, the
Volcker measures of 1979. They destroyed much of the economy, led
to the {looting} of the Savings & Loan system. We warned against
this, again and again. Each of these times I've forecast this,
and I've been-- I'm pretty public and pretty controversial figure
on these things, so that it was, {by no means} unknown. But,
virtually {every} economist and government official, with some
rare exceptions here and there, said I was wrong. And, yet, I was
repeatedly right.
So, {they were told}.
And, it was perfectly feasible for people, especially people
with access to knowledge of these matters, to {know} that I was
right. To know that it was going to happen. There's {no excuse|
for it; just like the {Titanic}. All the way, these people said,
``No, the system is unsinkable.'' ``No, they're going to fix
it.'' ``No, it's going to be fine, you'll see. It'll never come
here.'' ``Everything'll be all right. You'll see. The market will
go {on and on} forever.''

World Financial System: Match Already Dropped in the Gas Tank

Idiocy! Just like the idiocy of the owners and the captain,
and so forth, of the {Titanic.} And, now we've come to the point,
the entire international financial system is in the terminal
process of disintegration. Nothing can save this system. Every
part of the financial system, presently, is. If you took the
count, and consolidated the accounts; and, looked at short-term
obligations, as against short-term means of payment: The entire
world financial system, and every, virtually every bank in it, is
bankrupt. And, it's only waiting for the-- it's like, you know,
gasoline in the summer, just waiting for somebody to put a match
down there, a lighted match, to get the whole thing set off.
And, somebody {put} the match in there. That's what
happened, beginning late October. Oh, this isn't the end of it;
it'll get worse. But, the problem here is, as I've said before,
is that it's the {ideology}. And, in particular, at this point,
it's all the mistakes of, that went on {before the Eisenhower
Administration, earlier. All those mistakes, {compounded} by this
{lunacy} that came in as a neo-Malthusian, post-industrial,
information-society utopia. This is what is killing us; and, if
you don't get rid of that, you're doomed. Just like the captain
of the {Titanic,} who, under the compulsion of ideology --not
science, or Reason-- sailed {right} into an ice pack. And,
destroyed his ship and himself.

EIR: The IMF claimed a week ago to have made available $57
billion to Korea; now, it looks like Korea really needs $200
billion, at least, {not} 57. Japan was supposed to announce an
emergency program Dec. 10, today. There's been no announcement.
In Russia, Deputy Prime Minister Yasin said that Russia virtually
almost went bankrupt, last week. What's going to happen in these
crises?

Asia `Bailout' of Titanic: Weimar Style Hyperinflation

LAROUCHE: Well, the, first of all, the Japan crisis was well
known in advance of the Korea crisis. I had, from some of my
friends in Japan, I had warning before the Korea crisis
{exploded} that it would be-- that is, before, the negotiations
phase --that it would take at least $200 million to bail out
Korea; South Korea. And that's correct. As, I've indicated, if
you talk about a crisis in Japan, you're talking about a bailout
in excess of $1 trillion, or far more than that. So, the bail-out
route doesn't work, and, it only leads to a Weimar 1921-23 style
of hyperinflation. Which is what they're pushing, right now. So,
you see, you should include next on the list, Brazil. Brazil is
on the target list for this business. Every nation in Europe is
on the target list for the same thing. Every part of the world is
on the target list. Where do you go, that's not on the target
list? (Or, China's probably the one nation, that might be the
last one to go, in this process.) But that's-- you see, again:
Insanity.
Anybody who is facing reality knows that we have to put the
system through bankruptcy, that we have to write off most of the
so-called financial assets, the same way you do, would do with
any bankrupt bank, in order to {save} the community. In order to
save the depositors; in order to keep the economy going. These
guys who are saying, ``We're going to keep the system going,
we're going to {bail it out}'' --these guys are nuts! They're like
the captain of the {Titanic}. Or, worse.

EIR: The Czechoslovak --excuse me, the President of
the Czech Republic, Vaclav Havel, made a startling address to the
Czech Parliament yesterday. According to a report I have, he said
that, we have taken away all basis for morality in the country,
the population is not merely disappointed, they're disgusted with
the political and economic situation of the Czech Republic;
they've been told it pays to steal, they've been told corruption
pays; we're facing a social explosion. What's going on there?
LAROUCHE: Well, it's exactly that. Havel is a fairly shrewd
guy. He's seen this going on. We've warned about it. We're not
surprised. Vaclav Klaus, the architect of the-- or, the darling
of the IMF --is {out}. What he says, is exactly true. This is not
only true in Czechia, it's also true in the other countries
around there, in the former Communist countries of Eastern
Europe. It's also true in Russia. It's also true in Ukraine. It's
true in Transcaucasia. The same {idiocies,} hmm? And, immorality.
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`The Ideas That Go With the System Are a Failure, a Disease!
Get {Rid of Them!} Come to Our Senses. That's the Only Chance.'

EIR: You're listening to ``EIR Talks.'' This is Tony Papert,
we're on the phone with Lyndon LaRouche, who was discussing the
crisis in the Czech Republic and the other parts of the former
Comecon.
LAROUCHE: Well, we took a lot of flak on this, we
warned of this; particularly, in Czechia, and people {really}
went after us on this one. And what President Havel has said on
this situation, what is going on in these past eight years, is
nothing that we didn't say be-- exactly say. And, you could say
this of Hungary, similar thing went on, and {has} been going on;
the same thing was going on in Poland, under the influence and
advice of people from London and the support of people from
here: George Bush, in particular. Same thing has happened in
Russia, which is now at the limit. Same thing happened to
Ukraine, which is {beyond} the limit. That's the reality of the
situation. And, people should {learn} from that.
This is not merely an object lesson.
If you look around --or, take a map. Take all of these
countries around the world. Now, take a little color wash. Color
in, every part of the world. which has gone into a {deep}
financial crisis, national financial crisis, this year, where
markets are collapsing, jobs are dissappearing, etc., etc. You
start with Thailand, for example. Take Malaysia. Idonesia.
Philippines. Taiwan. Japan. South Korea. India's on the list now.
Brazil. Argentina's for a new round. Now, you can color in
Russia, Ukraine, Transcaucasia, eastern Europe, Czechia, Hungary,
Poland, so on. And, you can take the {impact} on Spain, and
whatnot. Look at Africa; same business.
Now, look at what's happening in the United States, and you
begin to see that little pink wash you've been putting on all the
other countries, is running around in the United States.
Where are you going to go? This is a {global, unstoppable,}
financial crisis. The only way that you can stop it is by putting
the whole system out of its misery, into financial
reorganization, and going back to the kinds of policies which
President Franklin Roosevelt developed for getting this country
out of a depression --policies which he copied from the economic
recovery program of 1861-1876, which was set into motion by
Lincoln, with the guidance of his leading economist, Henry Carey.
The same policies which were set forth by the first George
Washington Administration, which are known as the ``Hamiltonian''
policies. The policies of Benjamin Franklin, for which this
country fought its War of Independence against our British
oppressor.
Go back to that. Scrap the system. The system didn't work.
It's a failure. The ideas that go with the system are a failure,
they're a {disease!} Get {rid of them!} Come to our senses.
That's the only chance.

EIR: Senator Burton has subpoenaed Attorney General Reno and
FBI Director Freeh, to appear before his committee. He's told
Freeh to bring a memo, which he sent to Reno, calling for the
appointment of a Special Prosecutor, on Clinton and Gore, which
Reno did {not} do; and Reno and Freeh have said that they will
appear, but {not} provide the memo. What's going on in the
Department of Justice?

Clean Out the Moles in the DOJ, Mice in Administration,
Clowns in Congress: Then We Might Get Our Country Back

LAROUCHE: Well, it's not the Department of Justice, as much
(there are problems there, you have, but these involve mole
problems). The key problem in the Department of Justice is not
Reno, though she's been a big disappointment to me; ah, nor is it
Freeh. The problem lies chiefly in {two} institutions: One, the
off-in-a-corner, which nobody pays much attention to, but which
is the really dirty, spooky part of the Justice Department:
General Legal and Litigation Services. There's where the real
spooks-- this is where the secret government has its little seat
inside there. Otherwise, you look in the Criminal Division, in
the-- under Jack Keeney, who is the Acting Assistant Attorney
General, running that show, and his associate, Mark Thatcher --I
mean, Mark Richards. But this guy, these guys are running a
permanent bureaucracy in there, which is essentially treasonous
in its character. We ought to get rid of it. It's a relic of the
worst period, of the most decadent period of the Roman Empire,
this kind of {filthy} bureaucracy.
So, you have {mice} inside the administration, who are
working with {clowns} inside the Congress, who mostly are
Republican clowns of the Burton variety, fanatics who have no
sense and no patriotism, and no sense of responsibility. And,
they're trying to destroy {government}. Or, you know, as, simply
on a wrecking crew. They're like {mad} eco-terrorists, bursting
into an office someplace, destroying everything in sight. ``We're
going burst, bust this place up!'' And, that's what they're
doing.
So, you have Freeh, Reno, so forth, they have their
problems. You have this Spearing Letter on me, which is a dirty
trick. This is not-- the Spearing Letter was sent, earlier, from
Reno, that went out in 1995; then she's got this new letter out.
{Both are complete fraud.} But, she's typical of the {moles}
inside the U.S. Government, including the Executive Branch. And,
they have their friends, like this clown, Burton; clowns like
him. I mean, you've got people in the Congress, working on
foreign policy, who didn't know what a U.S. Passport was, before
they got to Congress! People who are absolute idiots. People
typified by the Speaker of the House of Representatives --a real
raunchy clown. Sort of the the ``Dick Morris'' of the House of
Representatives. And, this is a crisis of our government. It's a
{moral} crisis of our government, like that which President Havel
of Czechia referred to, just recently, in describing the moral
{decadence} of the government of Vaclav Klaus, under his
Presidency. And, that's what we have to assume.
We must {clean out} the Justice Department's permanent
bureaucracy. And {then}, we might get our country back.

EIR: Lyn, a book has just appeared by a Jerrold Post
and Robert Robins, called ``{Political Paranoia},'' of which, a
large part of the book is an attack on you, as a ``political
paranoid,'' obviously. Do you have any comment on this?
LAROUCHE: Well, the point is, that you're dealing with a
duck farm: That is, ``Quack, quack, quack-quack-quack.'' I looked
at the passages in the book which referred to me --they were
referred to my attention. And the interesting thing was, that in
trying to construct a case, and we're not --I use the word
``quack'' quite literally, because, first of all, you have the
person's, he has a medical degree in psychiatry, and he does
things which no, nobody but a quack would do. That is, he takes--
and he {says} so, {admits} it. My biography is available to
everyone. It's in libraries, it's all over the place. And, the
corroborating facts are available to anyone. I'm one of the most
publicized persons in the world. The most transparent person in
the world, if anybody takes the trouble to look at the facts.
What did this clown do? This quack?

A Quack in Nazi Adornment
Jerrold Post No Exception to the Rule

This quack goes to Dennis King, {admits} it, and takes
Dennis King's misrepresentation --complete falsification-- of my
autobiography (in which all the facts are there). This guy, then,
{interprets} King's fraud, as the ``fact'' on which he bases his
clinical assessment. On top of that, the clinical assessment he
uses, the method he uses, is {also quackery}. His method is well
known to us from the Nazi period; that is, the 1920s and 1930s,
when people like Theodore Adorno, who --I'll tell you what
Theodore Adorno was. Theodore Adorno was pro-Nazi. He thought in
the early '30s, you could make a career in Germany out of the
Nazis. And his good friend, Horkheimer, said, ``Hey, look,
fellah, you're Jewish. And, they mean business. Get the hell out
of here.'' And, he did. He had a close associate, Hannah Arendt,
who was the sleep-in friend of a Nazi philosopher by the name of
Martin Heidegger, who was known for his persecution of Jews at
the University of Freiburg --among other things he did-- but he
is an actually total Nazi in his philosophy. {She} and Adorno,
that is, Hannah and Adorno, had a theory, which they based on the
work they shared in common with this Nazi, this Nazi
existentialist, Heidegger. This was published by Hannah Arendt,
under the title of ``The Authoritarian Personality.'' This is the
basis --this theory, which is then picked up by the London
Tavistock Institute, and so forth -- {this theory}, which is the
complete fraud, a complete hoax, and, which is simply, a totally
anti-Nazi version of Nazi philosophy! But, which is really Nazi,
it's the same thing-- is the basis for this stupid construction.
So, on two counts: First of all the guy is a quack. That
anybody that would espouse such a theorem, that is such an
algebraic theorem of psychiatry, is himself a dangerous mental
case. And, nobody who's a-- nobody should recommend {anybody} to
such a quack.
Secondly, he commits an outright fraud-- and {admits}
it shamelessly --that he takes things that are not facts, which
he asserts to be facts, based on Dennis King's reference to my
autobiography, when the autobiography is available. Rather than
getting the autobiography, he takes a Dennis King
misrepresentation, fraudulent representation of the facts in the
autobiography, and uses that, to make his {quod erat
demonstrandum}. This guys a {quack}; he obviously is {politically
motivated}; he has no professional morality whatsover. But
that's typically, typical of what I'm up against.
You know I don't-- one thing about my enemies, is, the most
difficult thing for me to find among my enemies is an
intelligent, and moral, person. And, Jerrold Post is no exception
to that rule.

Lord's Resistance Army: British Countergang
Terrorism in the Balance of Power Game

EIR: Lyn, it's been reported that U.S. Intelligence
has learned that the Lord's Resistance Army, which is supposedly
fighting the Ugandan dictator Museveni in Northern Uganda, is
really being run by Museveni. Do you have any comments on this
news from Africa?
LAROUCHE: Well, what happened is, the British play
all sides in Africa. We'd say, when they have a war. You say,
``Which side are the British on?'' And, if you're intelligent,
you say, ``{Both} sides!'' The game is known as, ``balance of
power.'' The way to run something, to run the world, is not to
get in there and fight as a contender, but as an arbiter. So, what
you do is you establish your credentials and give support to both
sides. For example: The thing that most Arabs fall for, is that
the British are the biggest harborers of Islamic terrorism in
the world. All the important things, in despite of the fact that
at our State Department, some people there cover up for it.
So, if you want to deal with international terrorism, you're
going to have to sanction the British. But, how do the British
play it?
The British play it because they {use}-- as they've said, in
Parliament --this is not a speculation, this is what they say in
Parliament, and the Crown, in defending the policy of harboring
terrorism in Britain. They don't use terrorists, unless these
terrrorist actions are not inimicable to British interests.
Number two: They use these terrorists and harbor them, in
order to get on the friendly side of some groups. Therefore, they
manipulate the groups, themselves.

EIR: And, this has been ``EIR Talks with Lyndon LaRouche,''
and we'll be back next week again, with Lyndon LaRouche.
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