Autism Vaccines
Jan Drew
AUTISMVaccines
"It is very possible that PATERNAL AGE is the major predictor of(non-
familial) autism." Harry Fisch, M.D., author "The Male Biological
Clock". Sperm DNA mutates and autism, schizophrenia bipolar etc.
results. What is the connection with autoimmune disorders? Having Type
1 diabetes, SLE,etc. in the family, also if mother had older father.
NW Cryobank will not accept a sperm donor past 35th BD to minimize
genetic abnormalities.VACCINATIONS also cause autism.
dr_jeff
Incorrect. There is no good evidence that suggests that autism is caused
by vaccines. And plenty of good evidence that suggests that autism does
not cause autism. There is no one who understands the science and data
who thinks autism is caused by vaccines.
Jeff
john
"dr_jeff" <u...@msu.edu> wrote in message news:Pb-
>
> Incorrect. There is no good evidence that suggests that autism is caused
> by vaccines. And plenty of good evidence that suggests that autism does
> not cause autism. There is no one who understands the science and data who
> thinks autism is caused by vaccines.
>
> Jeff
Bollocks, and do stop lying
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaccine_autism_proven.html
why God named you P.Utz, go figure
tools
health care.
dr_jeff
Yes, the site you cite is bullocks. Utter garbage.
The fact is that there is virtually no evidence and no good evidence
that vaccines cause autism. And, there were several studies that showed
that autism was not correlated with vaccines.
> why God named you P.Utz, go figure
Thanks for the personal attack.
That you have to make personal attacks to make your point shows how weak
your argument is.
Jeff
dr_jeff
Well, those who wish to check for themselves can find the studies for
themselves in pubmed.gov and other trusted sources.
So, no one should believe me, because they should go and check out the
facts for themselves.
Jeff
tools
you do not have simple common sense. Why should anyone believe what you
say about anything?
tools
days? Truth? Trusted???? Please!
dr_jeff
pubmed.gov is a database of all the medical papers published in all the
major medical journals. One can search it and find almost every
scientific article published on vaccines and any other subject in medicine.
That you didn't know this simple fact indicates that you really have not
done anything to understand science and medicine.
Jeff
john
"dr_jeff" <u...@msu.edu> wrote in message news:Xp-
>
> Yes, the site you cite is bullocks. Utter garbage.
Its bOllocks with an O, and the site is just a collection of well proven
evidence as well you know
>
> Thanks for the personal attack.
>
> That you have to make personal attacks to make your point shows how weak
> your argument is.
>
> Jeff
Not at all, the best thing for you is a wrung neck, you are way past arguing
with
Liars like you need hanging from the city gates for the blue tits to peck
at.
and save us the personal attack spiel:
Putz: Correct. There is no evidence that John ever had any intelligence. ;-)
Yazbak is an ass.
Smith was a clueless twit. Apparently, he was a good actor though.
"Too bad you can't see what a jerk you are."
have a horrible day!
cheers
john
we don't you lie 24/7 for last 15 years that I know of. Your tongue is
forked, like all snakes
>because they should go and check out the facts for themselves.
we did, that is why you are called a liar
tools
reason to trust you or the "database" that you support. What is being
called "science" is filled with lies and miss leading crap. Medicine? $$$
dr_jeff
> dr_jeff wrote:
>> tools wrote:
<...>
>> pubmed.gov is a database of all the medical papers published in all
>> the major medical journals. One can search it and find almost every
>> scientific article published on vaccines and any other subject in
>> medicine.
>>
>> That you didn't know this simple fact indicates that you really have
>> not done anything to understand science and medicine.
>>
>> Jeff
> No Jeff, you are wrong. It is far simpler than that. I do not find any
> reason to trust you or the "database" that you support. What is being
> called "science" is filled with lies and miss leading crap. Medicine? $$$
Do you even know what pubmed is?
Apparently not. It is basically a search engine for nearly of the
published medical articles from the last several decades.
Medicine is based on science. It is improving all the time. Alternative
medicine is based on conjecture. Alternative medicine is all about
making money, not helping people.
I am not suggesting that drug companies, doctors and hospitals are not
interested in making money.
Jeff
john
>
> Apparently not. It is basically a search engine for nearly of the
> published medical articles from the last several decades.
Apart from ones on nutritional medicine, which would eliminate 90% of
allopathic medicine
>
> Medicine is based on science. It is improving all the time. Alternative
> medicine is based on conjecture. Alternative medicine is all about making
> money, not helping people.
RAOFL!
>
> I am not suggesting that drug companies, doctors and hospitals are not
> interested in making money.
And then some!
dr_jeff
> "dr_jeff" <u...@msu.edu> wrote in message
>> Do you even know what pubmed is?
>>
>> Apparently not. It is basically a search engine for nearly of the
>> published medical articles from the last several decades.
>
> Apart from ones on nutritional medicine, which would eliminate 90% of
> allopathic medicine
Yeah, people who died from nutritional medicine don't benefit for
evidence-based evidence.
tools
all the time" Is getting a bit worn. So called mainstream medicine has
had a long long time to get it right. Still have not. So everything
"Alternative" is based on conjecture? Please do provide proof. While
most Alternative folks do earn something for their efforts, it does not
begin to approach what the mainstream charges. Since you try to paint
Alternative with the brush fitting mainstream, it shows a clear effort
on your part to avoid the truth. Alternatives harm a far lower % than
your brand. There are many Alternative folks who will barter for their
services. Please post of hospitals that do so. Most Alternative is older
than your brand of drug this week. As such, many potential harms have
been learned and corrected. Tell us Jeff, how many people died this year
from wrong drug, bad drug, wrong operation, neglect, hospital acquired
infections, Incompetent doctor, Denial of care? The list is longer. AND,
the same standard applied to Alternative. But then you won't because you
support the man behind the curtain.
tools
> john wrote:
>> "dr_jeff" <u...@msu.edu> wrote in message
>>> Do you even know what pubmed is?
>>>
>>> Apparently not. It is basically a search engine for nearly of the
>>> published medical articles from the last several decades.
>>
>> Apart from ones on nutritional medicine, which would eliminate 90% of
>> allopathic medicine
>
> Yeah, people who died from nutritional medicine don't benefit for
> evidence-based evidence.
john
> evidence-based evidence.
>
Reality http://www.whale.to/a/dean.html 780,000
see if you can find 5 from alt med in a year
dr_jeff
Nor do peer-reviewed papers. However, it is a step in the right
direction. Please provide a better option.
Likewise testimonials on conjecture-based medicine (aka, alternative
medicine and complementary medicine) don't prove anything nor do the
sales websites.
> The line " It is improving all
> the time" Is getting a bit worn. So called mainstream medicine has had a
> long long time to get it right. Still have not.
But it is getting better every day.
> So everything
> "Alternative" is based on conjecture? Please do provide proof.
Just about. www.quackwatch.com
> While
> most Alternative folks do earn something for their efforts, it does not
> begin to approach what the mainstream charges.
It is still several billion dollars doing useless things.
> Since you try to paint
> Alternative with the brush fitting mainstream, it shows a clear effort
> on your part to avoid the truth.
Actually, it is a different brush. Mainstream medicine is based on
science. Alternative isn't.
> Alternatives harm a far lower % than
> your brand.
Actually, because alternatives offer little in the way of effective
treatment, just about all of the people who get alternative medicine are
harmed by having their money taken.
> There are many Alternative folks who will barter for their
> services. Please post of hospitals that do so.
Almost all offer some free treatment instead.
> Most Alternative is older
> than your brand of drug this week.
Older doesn't mean effective.
> As such, many potential harms have
> been learned and corrected.
Really? Evidence please. And please prove they work.
> Tell us Jeff, how many people died this year
> from wrong drug, bad drug, wrong operation, neglect, hospital acquired
> infections, Incompetent doctor, Denial of care? The list is longer. AND,
> the same standard applied to Alternative. But then you won't because you
> support the man behind the curtain.
How about how many people have their lives saved because of mainstream
medicine? How about all those people who were treated for serious
injuries, had their appendices removed, had kidney dialysis, didn't die
of vaccine-preventable diseases, etc.? How about the more than 50% of
people who get cancer and get cured?
And how many people have had their lives saved by alternative medicine?
None.
Mark Probert
> http://autism-prevention.blogspot.com/
>
> AUTISMVaccines
> "It is very possible that PATERNAL AGE is the major predictor of(non-
> familial) autism." Harry Fisch, M.D., author "The Male Biological
> Clock". Sperm DNA mutates and autism, schizophrenia bipolar etc.
> results.
Studies have shown that there appears to be such a link.
What is the connection with autoimmune disorders? Having Type
> 1 diabetes, SLE,etc. in the family, also if mother had older father.
> NW Cryobank will not accept a sperm donor past 35th BD to minimize
> genetic abnormalities.
> VACCINATIONS also cause autism.
Bullshit
tools
proof that you are full of crap. Brainwashed perhaps, and then filled
with crap. You have my condolences.
Kevysmom
chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
failing American children.
Mark Probert
> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
> failing American children.
They deal with infectious diseases.
Kevysmom
> > Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
> > chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>
> More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
Oh, Bullsh*t!!!
>
> > The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
> > failing American children.
>
> They deal with infectious diseases.
Nope. You is wrong again!
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (or CDC) is a United
States federal agency under the Department of Health and Human
Services based in Atlanta, Georgia.[1][2] It works to protect public
health and safety by providing information to enhance health
decisions, and it promotes health through partnerships with state
health departments and other organizations. The CDC focuses national
attention on developing and applying disease prevention and control
(especially infectious diseases), environmental health, occupational
safety and health, health promotion, prevention and education
activities designed to improve the health of the people of the United
States.
dr_jeff
> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
A variety of reasons. Vaccines are not one of them.
> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
> failing American children.
Really? Please tell me how the CDC could have prevented these.
Kevysmom
> > Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
> > chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>
> A variety of reasons. Vaccines are not one of them.
Vaccines do cause disabilities in children, Thats why we have the
vaccine injury court.
>
> > The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
> > failing American children.
>
> Really? Please tell me how the CDC could have prevented these.
Research, Its what they get PAID tax payers dollars to do, PREVENT
diseases.
dr_jeff
>>> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
>>> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>> A variety of reasons. Vaccines are not one of them.
>
>
>
> Vaccines do cause disabilities in children, Thats why we have the
> vaccine injury court.
Yet autism is not one of them.
And the reason why there is the vaccine injury court is that juries
quite often find in favor of sick kids when there companies with deep
pockets to pay them, regardless of the facts.
>>> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
>>> failing American children.
>> Really? Please tell me how the CDC could have prevented these.
>
>
>
> Research, Its what they get PAID tax payers dollars to do, PREVENT
> diseases.
OK, and how should the CDC been able to prevent the diseases? Which
diseases and how can they be prevented?
tools
tools
tools
and cure instead of supporting vac money machines for the pharm co. They
could make sure that people like you are never allowed to spout lies
about medicine.
tools
> Kevysmom wrote:
>>>> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
>>>> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>>> A variety of reasons. Vaccines are not one of them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Vaccines do cause disabilities in children, Thats why we have the
>> vaccine injury court.
>
> Yet autism is not one of them.
> And the reason why there is the vaccine injury court is that juries
> quite often find in favor of sick kids when there companies with deep
> pockets to pay them, regardless of the facts.
>
and judges will be glad to know that.
>>>> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
>>>> failing American children.
>>> Really? Please tell me how the CDC could have prevented these.
>>
>>
>>
>> Research, Its what they get PAID tax payers dollars to do, PREVENT
>> diseases.
>
> OK, and how should the CDC been able to prevent the diseases? Which
> diseases and how can they be prevented?
Bob Officer
John is there a reason for Scopie's law?
The fact you are forced to cite your own website as the only source
of backing any one of your claims is an indication you should stick
to shoveling pig shit.
--
Bob Officer
Posting the truth
http://www.skeptics.com.au
Bob Officer
Mark Probert <mark.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 11, 8:55�pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
>> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>
>More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
Bingo.
As the mortality rate drops, even for those children which were born
preterm, The rate of disabilities increases.
I posit that there is a point at which the increased mortally rates
become counter productive if the goal is 100% prefect children.
Not enough emphasis is placed on Childhood Nutrition, which in turn
causes more preterm births, which in turn creates a generation with
more children disabled or in need of more specialized care.
Add to the occurrence above, the increased in teenage smoking among
teenage mothers and the increase in recreational substance use among
young teenage-and 20 year old expectant women. And you might find
enough cause for most of the increases.
Then if you look to see the increase in numbers and each jump happens
also to co-incide with an increase in the different numbers of
criteria which are counted as part of the Autistic SPECTURM Disorder.
Remember there is no objective blood or genetic test for ASD, it is a
set of Observed Conditions, observations which are all subjective.
>
>> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
>> failing American children.
>
>They deal with infectious diseases.
ASD is not an infectious disease.
Mark Probert
> > > Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
> > > chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>
> > More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
>
> Oh, Bullsh*t!!!
Sorry, but it is you who are wrong.
> > > The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
> > > failing American children.
>
> > They deal with infectious diseases.
>
> Nope. You is wrong again!
Not at all, as your post points out.
> The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (or CDC) is a United
> States federal agency under the Department of Health and Human
> Services based in Atlanta, Georgia.[1][2] It works to protect public
> health and safety by providing information to enhance health
> decisions, and it promotes health through partnerships with state
> health departments and other organizations. The CDC focuses national
> attention on developing and applying disease prevention and control
> (especially infectious diseases),
ESPECIALLY INFECTIOUS DISEASES.
> environmental health, occupational
> safety and health, health promotion, prevention and education
> activities designed to improve the health of the people of the United
> States.
True, but you said you do not believe anything they say.
Medical knowledge is not like a faucet. One does not twist it to turn
on more information.
Much of the reasearch, etc. is carried out by the well funded National
Institutes of Health.
Mark Probert
No, they are paid to CONTROL disease. Note that their name is not the
Center for Disease PREVENTION.
Research, etc. is the function of the National Institutes of Health
Mark Probert
Do you ever get tired of posting your sexual fantasies.
I note that Jan Drew remains silent in spite of the gross sexual
content of your comments.
That means she approves of them.
Bob Officer
Kevysmom <kevys...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
>> > chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>>
>> A variety of reasons. Vaccines are not one of them.
>
>
>
>Vaccines do cause disabilities in children, Thats why we have the
>vaccine injury court.
>
Every day more and more science is coming out and it doesn't point to
vaccines at all. No Vaccine award has been given for autism.
>> > The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
>> > failing American children.
>>
>> Really? Please tell me how the CDC could have prevented these.
>
>
>
>Research, Its what they get PAID tax payers dollars to do, PREVENT
>diseases.
They do, Smallpox, MMR, DPT and Season Flu, a host of other vaccines,
right up to HPV and now H1N1.
It takes time to develop and test, and retest and people willing to
vaccinate their children.
dr_jeff
Well, prevention is better than cure. And vaccines prevent disease.
The CDC is not responsible for the first amendment, otherwise
alternative medicine would be able to make their false statements.
tools
> tools wrote:
>> dr_jeff wrote:
>>> Kevysmom wrote:
>>>> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
>>>> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>>>
>>> A variety of reasons. Vaccines are not one of them.
>>>
>>>> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
>>>> failing American children.
>>>
>>> Really? Please tell me how the CDC could have prevented these.
>> Well for starters they could spend the time and money researching
>> care and cure instead of supporting vac money machines for the pharm
>> co. They could make sure that people like you are never allowed to
>> spout lies about medicine.
>
>
> The CDC is not responsible for the first amendment, otherwise
> alternative medicine would be able to make their false statements.
surgery, false vaccines, false concern for the patient, and more that
mainstream has foisted upon the people counts for nothing?
dr_jeff
None of them are false. The fact is that science-based medicine works
and conjecture-based medicine doesn't.
Jan Drew
http://autism-prevention.blogspot.com/
AUTISMVaccines
"It is very possible that PATERNAL AGE is the major predictor of(non-
familial) autism." Harry Fisch, M.D., author "The Male Biological
Clock". Sperm DNA mutates and autism, schizophrenia bipolar etc.
results. What is the connection with autoimmune disorders? Having Type
Jan Drew
> john wrote:
> > "dr_jeff" <u...@msu.edu> wrote in message news:Pb-
> >> Incorrect. There is no good evidence that suggests that autism is caused
> >> by vaccines. And plenty of good evidence that suggests that autism does
> >> not cause autism. There is no one who understands the science and data who
> >> thinks autism is caused by vaccines.
>
> >> Jeff
>
> > Bollocks, and do stop lying
> >http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaccine_autism_proven.html
>
> Yes, the site you cite is bullocks. Utter garbage.
Thanks for the personal attack, hypocrite.
why God named you P.Utz, go figure
>
> Thanks for the personal attack.
Liar. Your name is indeed Jeffrey peter Joseph Utz. And you are NOT
an M.D.
>
> That you have to make personal attacks to make your point shows how weak
> your argument is,
There was no personal attack. Stop lying.
Real one on HealthFraud list: Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz, M.D.
jeff...@juno.com
[2007] "Robert Watson" kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com
Jeff Utz jtest-u...@juno.com
Jeff Utz, M.D. jeff...@juno.com
Jeffrey P. Utz, M.D. jeff...@softhome.net Hence "Putz"
http://www.msu.edu/~utz/ u...@pilot.msu.edu
Jeffrey Peter, M.D. kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com
Wyle E. Coyote wyle_e_coyot...@hotmail.com
Jeff Utz kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com (Jan 2003)
Jeff jef...@pacbell.net
Jeff j...@hotmail.com (2007)
dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu
Jeff Utz <jeff...@gmail.com
>
> Jeff
Jan Drew
> >> caused by vaccines. And plenty of good evidence that suggests that
> >> autism does not cause autism. There is no one who understands the
> >> science and data who thinks autism is caused by vaccines.
>
> >> Jeff
> > health care.
>
> Well, those who wish to check for themselves can find the studies for
> themselves in pubmed.gov and other trusted sources.
Which would be?
>
> So, no one should believe me, because they should go and check out the
> facts for themselves.
Those who are not gang members, and truthful have done just that.
>
> Jeff- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jan Drew
>
> <...>
>
> >> pubmed.gov is a database of all the medical papers published in all
> >> the major medical journals. One can search it and find almost every
> >> scientific article published on vaccines and any other subject in
> >> medicine.
>
> >> That you didn't know this simple fact indicates that you really have
> >> not done anything to understand science and medicine.
>
> >> Jeff
> > �No Jeff, you are wrong. It is far simpler than that. I do not find any
> > reason to trust you or the "database" that you support. What is being
> > called "science" is filled with lies and miss leading crap. Medicine? $$$
>
> Do you even know what pubmed is?
>
> Apparently not. It is basically a search engine for nearly of the
> published medical articles from the last several decades.
>
> Medicine is based on science. It is improving all the time. Alternative
> medicine is based on conjecture. Alternative medicine is all about
> making money, not helping people.
Blatant lie.
NCCAM
http://www.resperate.com/us/testimonials/home.aspx
http://www.naturalhealers.com/
http://www.healingcentersunited.org/?gclid=CJOhlOf5hp4CFYdd5Qod3zurog
http://www.acupuncture-dfw.com/
Jan Drew
> john wrote:
> > "dr_jeff" <u...@msu.edu> wrote in message
>
> >> Apparently not. It is basically a search engine for nearly of the
> >> published medical articles from the last several decades.
>
> > allopathic medicine
>
> Yeah, people who died from nutritional medicine don't benefit for
> evidence-based evidence.
Why do you lie so much?
Much has been said in various news stories lately concerning the
alleged ineffectiveness of alternative medicine. Both privately and
publicly, conventional doctors and others have referred to natural
healing methods and those involved in that field by such terms as
"quackery", "voodoo", "witch doctors" and "charlatans", among others.
While those who have actual knowledge of holistic healing by either
profession or treatment certainly disagree, what the allopathic
medical world has not mentioned in all of this is their own track
record. No doubt it can be agreed on either side of the argument that
there is no such thing as an all-perfect, infallible mode of healing
all health problems in all circumstances. However, the conventional
medical field is by no means able to claim to be flawless. If that
were the case, malpractice lawyers would be starving.
In an article from Medical News Today (August 9, 2004), from 2000 to
2002 inclusive, an average of 195,000 Americans died annually due to
preventable, in-hospital errors. This information came from a study of
37 million patients' records by a healthcare quality firm,
HealthGrades. The study, "HealthGrades Patient Safety in American
Hospitals" (see http://www.healthgrades.com/media/DMS/pdf/InhospitalDeathsPatientSafetyPressRelease072704.pdf),
only took into account patients covered by Medicare. It also did not
examine the files of those whose deaths were reported as by another
cause but incorrectly diagnosed. Nor did the study consider cases of
patients dying elsewhere other than in hospitals such as at home or in
hospices. Many are those who die shortly after being released from a
hospital for reasons such as incorrect treatment or too-early release.
Adding these factors to the whole picture, the statistics could be
higher.
Similarly, in the Journal of the American Medical Association's
article (2003) concerning a research study by Dr. Chunliu Zhan and Dr.
Marlene R. Miller, the medical profession was named as the third
leading cause of death in this country. The article broke down the
statistics as follows:
12,000 deaths annually due to unnecessary surgical procedures
7,000 deaths in hospitals due to prescription medicine errors
20,000 deaths in hospitals due to other errors
80,000 deaths due to infections picked up while hospitalized
106,000 deaths due to negative effects of drugs administered while
hospitalized
These statistics add up to 225,000 patient deaths per year as the
result of medical errors. This figure conflicts with the estimated
number of overall preventable in-hospital Medicare patient deaths
given by HealthGrades.
In yet another JAMA article, "Is US health really the best in the
world?", in July, 2000, by Dr. Barbara Starfield of Johns Hopkins
School of Hygiene and Public Health, the above figure of 225,000 is
backed up. Dr. Starfield pointed out that in other industrialized
nations such as Japan, the percentage of iatrogenic deaths (those
caused by medical treatment by all medical personnel, not only
doctors) is lower. Comparing these causes of death to others such as
heart disease, cancer, lifestyle choices and violence, the article's
statistics demonstrated that medically induced death is more prevalent
in our population than in those of other countries.
Given the above grim facts, which certainly many will choose to
dispute no matter what, it can be concluded that, to quote an old
saying, "those who live in glass houses should never throw rocks."
Better still, allow all people to decide for themselves if they wish
to seek assistance from certified, fully-trained practitioners of
natural healing, using methods known to have worked for thousand of
years in cultures all over the world, or to stick with the current
medical and pharmaceutical establishment. Patients are consumers as
well, and have the right to make their own informed decisions as to
their preferred treatemnt.
>
>
>
> >> Medicine is based on science. It is improving all the time. Alternative
> >> medicine is based on conjecture. Alternative medicine is all about making
> >> money, not helping people.
>
> > RAOFL!
>
> >> I am not suggesting that drug companies, doctors and hospitals are not
> >> interested in making money.
>
> > And then some!- Hide quoted text -
dr_jeff
> On Nov 11, 8:25�am, dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
>> john wrote:
>>> "dr_jeff" <u...@msu.edu> wrote in message news:Pb-
>>>> Incorrect. There is no good evidence that suggests that autism is caused
>>>> by vaccines. And plenty of good evidence that suggests that autism does
>>>> not cause autism. There is no one who understands the science and data who
>>>> thinks autism is caused by vaccines.
>>>> Jeff
>>> Bollocks, and do stop lying
>>> http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaccine_autism_proven.html
>> Yes, the site you cite is bullocks. Utter garbage.
>
> Thanks for the personal attack, hypocrite.
I didn't attack the person. I questioned the validity and quality of the
site. There is a big difference.
> why God named you P.Utz, go figure
>> Thanks for the personal attack.
>
> Liar. Your name is indeed Jeffrey peter Joseph Utz. And you are NOT
> an M.D.
That's not the same as P.Utz. My med school diploma means I am an M.D.
>> That you have to make personal attacks to make your point shows how weak
>> your argument is,
>
> There was no personal attack. Stop lying.
I disagree.
Have a good night.
Jeff
Jan Drew
> tools wrote:
> > dr_jeff wrote:
> >> tools wrote:
> >>> dr_jeff wrote:
> >>>> tools wrote:
>
> >> <...>
>
> >>>> pubmed.gov is a database of all the medical papers published in all
> >>>> the major medical journals. One can search it and find almost every
> >>>> scientific article published on vaccines and any other subject in
> >>>> medicine.
>
> >>>> That you didn't know this simple fact indicates that you really have
> >>>> not done anything to understand science and medicine.
>
> >>>> Jeff
> >>> �No Jeff, you are wrong. It is far simpler than that. I do not find
> >>> any reason to trust you or the "database" that you support. What is
> >>> being called "science" is filled with lies and miss leading crap.
> >>> Medicine? $$$
>
>
> >> Apparently not. It is basically a search engine for nearly of the
> >> published medical articles from the last several decades.
>
> >> Alternative medicine is based on conjecture. Alternative medicine is
> >> all about making money, not helping people.
>
> >> interested in making money.
>
> > �Being published does not prove validity.
>
> Nor do peer-reviewed papers. However, it is a step in the right
> direction. Please provide a better option.
>
> Likewise testimonials on conjecture-based medicine (aka, alternative
> medicine and complementary medicine) don't prove anything nor do the
> sales websites.
>
> > The line " It is improving all
> > the time" Is getting a bit worn. So called mainstream medicine has had a
> > long long time to get it right. Still have not.
>
> But it is getting better every day.
>
> > So everything
> > "Alternative" is based on conjecture? Please do provide proof.
>
> Just about.www.quackwatch.com
>
> > While
> > most Alternative folks do earn something for their efforts, it does not
> > begin to approach what the mainstream charges.
>
> It is still several billion dollars doing useless things.
>
> > Since you try to paint
> > Alternative with the brush fitting mainstream, it shows a clear effort
> > on your part to avoid the truth.
>
> Actually, it is a different brush. Mainstream medicine is based on
> science. Alternative isn't.
>
> > Alternatives harm a far lower % than
> > your brand.
>
> Actually, because alternatives offer little in the way of effective
> treatment, just about all of the people who get alternative medicine are
> harmed by having their money taken.
>
> > There are many Alternative folks who will barter for their
> > services. Please post of hospitals that do so.
>
> Almost all offer some free treatment instead.
>
> > Most Alternative is older
> > than your brand of drug this week.
>
> Older doesn't mean effective.
>
> > As such, many potential harms have
> > been learned and corrected.
>
> Really? Evidence please. And please prove they work.
>
> > Tell us Jeff, how many people died this year
> > from wrong drug, bad drug, wrong operation, neglect, hospital acquired
> > infections, Incompetent doctor, Denial of care? The list is longer. AND,
> > the same standard applied to Alternative. But then you won't because you
> > support the man behind the curtain.
>
> How about how many people have their lives saved because of mainstream
> medicine? How about all those people who were treated for serious
> injuries, had their appendices removed, had kidney dialysis, didn't die
> of vaccine-preventable diseases, etc.? How about the more than 50% of
> people who get cancer and get cured?
>
> And how many people have had their lives saved by alternative medicine?
> None.
Another blatant lie.
Reality http://www.whale.to/a/dean.html 780,000
see if you can find 5 from alt med in a year
dr_jeff
> On Nov 11, 11:40�am, dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
>> tools wrote:
>>> dr_jeff wrote:
>>>> tools wrote:
>> <...>
>>
>>>> pubmed.gov is a database of all the medical papers published in all
>>>> the major medical journals. One can search it and find almost every
>>>> scientific article published on vaccines and any other subject in
>>>> medicine.
>>>> That you didn't know this simple fact indicates that you really have
>>>> not done anything to understand science and medicine.
>>>> Jeff
>>> �No Jeff, you are wrong. It is far simpler than that. I do not find any
>>> reason to trust you or the "database" that you support. What is being
>>> called "science" is filled with lies and miss leading crap. Medicine? $$$
>> Do you even know what pubmed is?
>>
>> Apparently not. It is basically a search engine for nearly of the
>> published medical articles from the last several decades.
>>
>> Medicine is based on science. It is improving all the time. Alternative
>> medicine is based on conjecture. Alternative medicine is all about
>> making money, not helping people.
>
> Blatant lie.
>
> NCCAM
Not one study from NCCAM has found an alternative medicine that works.
The best they could say is that more study is needed.
> http://www.pulsemed.org/
>
> http://www.resperate.com/us/testimonials/home.aspx
>
> http://www.naturalhealers.com/
>
> http://www.healingcentersunited.org/?gclid=CJOhlOf5hp4CFYdd5Qod3zurog
>
> http://www.acupuncture-dfw.com/
Each of these sites is an advertising site for people selling something.
As we have both pointed out several times, people trying to make off a
product often misrepresent the product, as drug companies also do. None
of them, IMHO, is a good source of medical information.
dr_jeff
I doubt if 5 people are helped by alt med every year. However, there are
far more than that of people who have their wallets cleaned by
alternative medicine.
Jeff
Jan Drew
> On Nov 10, 10:31�pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >http://autism-prevention.blogspot.com/
>
> > AUTISMVaccines
> > "It is very possible that PATERNAL AGE is the major predictor of(non-
> > familial) autism." Harry Fisch, M.D., author "The Male Biological
> > Clock". Sperm DNA mutates and autism, schizophrenia bipolar etc.
> > results.
>
>
> What is the connection with autoimmune disorders?
Read, Mark S Probert instead of posting the same thing over and over.
> Bullshit
Results 1 - 10 of about 12,100 for Mark Probert bullshit. (0.48
seconds)
Jan Drew
> Kevysmom wrote:
> >>> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
> >>> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
> >> A variety of reasons. Vaccines are not one of them.
>
> > Vaccines do cause disabilities in children, Thats why �we have the
> > vaccine injury court.
>
> Yet autism is not one of them.
Wow!! How many lies have you posted tonight??
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=vaccine-injury-case-offer
>
Jan Drew
That is totally uncalled for, Mark S Probert.
Take this post to your Rabbi this week.
Shame on you. It only proves you do not read Trah everyday, and you
are a liar.
dr_jeff
> On Nov 11, 9:31�pm,NOT dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
>> Kevysmom wrote:
>>>>> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
>>>>> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>>>> A variety of reasons. Vaccines are not one of them.
>>> Vaccines do cause disabilities in children, Thats why �we have the
>>> vaccine injury court.
>> Yet autism is not one of them.
>
> Wow!! How many lies have you posted tonight??
None.
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=vaccine-injury-case-offer
This article prove nothing. And, the child in question did not have
autism. She had a neurological disorder with symptoms that included
those of autism. That is not autism.
Jeff
Jan Drew
Is a troll posting lies and posting it is the truth.
Jan Drew
> Posting lies,
Jan Drew
> On Nov 11, 9:00�pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
> > > > chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>
> > > More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
>
> > Oh, Bullsh*t!!!
>
> Sorry, but it is you who are wrong.
>
> > > > The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
> > > > failing American children.
>
> > > They deal with infectious diseases.
>
> > Nope. You is wrong again!
>
> Not at all, as your post points out.
>
> > The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (or CDC) is a United
> > States federal agency under the Department of Health and Human
> > Services based in Atlanta, Georgia.[1][2] It works to protect public
> > health and safety by providing information to enhance health
> > decisions, and it promotes health through partnerships with state
> > health departments and other organizations. The CDC focuses national
> > attention on developing and applying disease prevention and control
> > (especially infectious diseases),
>
> ESPECIALLY INFECTIOUS DISEASES.
No need to scream.
>
> > environmental health, occupational
> > safety and health, health promotion, prevention and education
> > activities designed to improve the health of the people of the United
> > States.
>
> True, but you said you do not believe anything they say.
>
> Medical knowledge is not like a faucet. One does not twist it to turn
> on more information.
>
> Much of the reasearch, etc. is carried out by the well funded National
> Institutes of Health.
Now, for the truth:
http://ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/rcr/rcr_misconduct/foundation/index.html
Jan Drew
Sorry, Mark. I read that wrong. Shame on you tools.
Jan Drew
> Jan Drew wrote:
> > On Nov 11, 9:31 pm,NOT dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
> >> Kevysmom wrote:
> >>>>> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
> >>>>> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
> >>>> A variety of reasons. Vaccines are not one of them.
> >>> Vaccines do cause disabilities in children, Thats why we have the
> >>> vaccine injury court.
> >> Yet autism is not one of them.
>
> > Wow!! �How many lies have you posted tonight??
>
> None.
I guess you don't know what a lie is. As i posting dr jeff. You have
told many lies today and tonight.
Get Help/
>
> >http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=vaccine-injury-case-...
>
> This article prove nothing. And, the child in question did not have
> autism. She had a neurological disorder with symptoms that included
> those of autism. That is not autism.
>
> Jeff
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2008/04/11/polinged0411.html
Peter Bowditch
>On Nov 12, 7:29?am, tools <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mark Probert wrote:
>> > On Nov 11, 8:55 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
>> >> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>>
>> > More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
>>
>> >> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
>> >> failing American children.
>>
>> > They deal with infectious diseases.
>>
>> Do you ever get tired of giving head to your owners?
>
>That is totally uncalled for, Mark S Probert.
It's just as well that Mark didn't say it, then.
>
>Take this post to your Rabbi this week.
>
>Shame on you. It only proves you do not read Trah everyday, and you
>are a liar.
What? sTools says something offensive and that makes Mark a liar?
Have you read Torah today, Jan? I have.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
Peter Bowditch
>On Nov 12, 10:18?pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 12, 7:29 am, tools <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Mark Probert wrote:
>> > > On Nov 11, 8:55 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
>> > >> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>>
>> > > More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
>>
>> > >> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
>> > >> failing American children.
>>
>> > > They deal with infectious diseases.
>>
>> > Do you ever get tired of giving head to your owners?
>>
>> That is totally uncalled for, Mark S Probert.
>>
>> Take this post to your Rabbi this week.
>>
>> Shame on you. ?It only proves you do not read Trah everyday, and you
>> are a liar.
>
>Sorry, Mark. I read that wrong. Shame on you tools.
That's better.
Peter Bowditch
>On Nov 11, 8:41?pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 10, 10:31?pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://autism-prevention.blogspot.com/
>>
>> > AUTISMVaccines
>> > "It is very possible that PATERNAL AGE is the major predictor of(non-
>> > familial) autism." Harry Fisch, M.D., author "The Male Biological
>> > Clock". Sperm DNA mutates and autism, schizophrenia bipolar etc.
>> > results.
>>
>> Studies have shown that there appears to be such a link.
>>
>> What is the connection with autoimmune disorders?
>
>Read, Mark S Probert instead of posting the same thing over and over.
>
>
>> Bullshit
>
>Results 1 - 10 of about 12,100 for Mark Probert bullshit. (0.48
>seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 5,000 for jan drew lobster claws. (0.29
seconds)
tools
john
"Peter Bowditch" <myfir...@ratbags.com> wrote in message
>
> Have you read Torah today, Jan? I have.
>
are you Jewish then?
tools
stop a full blown heart attack. You know, crushing pain, purple face,
history of infarctions, that stuff. No I do not have records to prove it
as the trees did not keep such records.
Mark Probert
> On Nov 11, 8:25 am, dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
>
> > john wrote:
> > > "dr_jeff" <u...@msu.edu> wrote in message news:Pb-
> > >> Incorrect. There is no good evidence that suggests that autism is caused
> > >> by vaccines. And plenty of good evidence that suggests that autism does
> > >> not cause autism. There is no one who understands the science and data who
> > >> thinks autism is caused by vaccines.
>
> > >> Jeff
>
> > > Bollocks, and do stop lying
> > >http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaccine_autism_proven.html
>
> > Yes, the site you cite is bullocks. Utter garbage.
>
> Thanks for the personal attack, hypocrite.
>
> why God named you P.Utz, go figure
>
>
>
> > Thanks for the personal attack.
>
> Liar. Your name is indeed Jeffrey peter Joseph Utz. And you are NOT
> an M.D.
Once the M.D. degree is conferred, it is theirs for life.
tools
> Jan Drew <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 12, 10:18?pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 12, 7:29 am, tools <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark Probert wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 11, 8:55 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
>>>>>> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>>>>> More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
>>>>>> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
>>>>>> failing American children.
>>>>> They deal with infectious diseases.
>>>> Do you ever get tired of giving head to your owners?
>>> That is totally uncalled for, Mark S Probert.
>>>
>>> Take this post to your Rabbi this week.
>>>
>>> Shame on you. ?It only proves you do not read Trah everyday, and you
>>> are a liar.
>> Sorry, Mark. I read that wrong. Shame on you tools.
>
> That's better.
>
Mark Probert
> On Nov 12, 7:29 am, tools <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mark Probert wrote:
> > > On Nov 11, 8:55 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
> > >> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>
> > > More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
>
> > >> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
> > >> failing American children.
>
> > > They deal with infectious diseases.
>
> > Do you ever get tired of giving head to your owners?
>
> That is totally uncalled for, Mark S Probert.
Jan, you stooopid moron, I did not write that. It is one of sTools
typical comments. When he makes them, you remain silent.
Now you cannot read attributions since he and you both screw them up.
> Take this post to your Rabbi this week.
I do not want him to die laughing.
> Shame on you. It only proves you do not read Trah everyday, and you
> are a liar.
What it proves is that YOU are a moron, and incapable of reading
attributions.
Tikkun Olam
Mark Probert
> On Nov 12, 9:15 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 11, 9:00 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
> > > > > chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>
> > > > More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
>
> > > Oh, Bullsh*t!!!
>
> > Sorry, but it is you who are wrong.
>
> > > > > The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
> > > > > failing American children.
>
> > > > They deal with infectious diseases.
>
> > > Nope. You is wrong again!
>
> > Not at all, as your post points out.
>
> > > The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (or CDC) is a United
> > > States federal agency under the Department of Health and Human
> > > Services based in Atlanta, Georgia.[1][2] It works to protect public
> > > health and safety by providing information to enhance health
> > > decisions, and it promotes health through partnerships with state
> > > health departments and other organizations. The CDC focuses national
> > > attention on developing and applying disease prevention and control
> > > (especially infectious diseases),
>
> > ESPECIALLY INFECTIOUS DISEASES.
>
> No need to scream.
Capitalized for emphasis.
Mark Probert
Shame on you Jan. You immediately jumped to a wrong conclusion because
you saw my name and hate my religion.
Mark Probert
> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 12, 10:18?pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 12, 7:29 am, tools <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Mark Probert wrote:
> >> > > On Nov 11, 8:55 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
> >> > >> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>
> >> > > More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
>
> >> > >> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
> >> > >> failing American children.
>
> >> > > They deal with infectious diseases.
>
> >> > Do you ever get tired of giving head to your owners?
>
> >> That is totally uncalled for, Mark S Probert.
>
> >> Take this post to your Rabbi this week.
>
> >> Shame on you. ?It only proves you do not read Trah everyday, and you
> >> are a liar.
>
> >Sorry, Mark. I read that wrong. Shame on you tools.
>
> That's better.
No, it is not. It is typical of Jan jumping to conclusions whenever
she reads my name. It is demonstrative of her being blinded by her
bigotry.
tools
at the heel. Very much like the Aunties here.
tools
tools
> On Nov 12, 10:37 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 12, 10:18 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 12, 7:29 am, tools <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Mark Probert wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 11, 8:55 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
>>>>>> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>>>>> More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
>>>>>> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
>>>>>> failing American children.
>>>>> They deal with infectious diseases.
>>>> Do you ever get tired of giving head to your owners?
>>> That is totally uncalled for, Mark S Probert.
>>> Take this post to your Rabbi this week.
>>> Shame on you. It only proves you do not read Trah everyday, and you
>>> are a liar.
>> Sorry, Mark. I read that wrong. Shame on you tools.-
>
> Shame on you Jan. You immediately jumped to a wrong conclusion because
> you saw my name and hate my religion.
>
about it too!.
tools
> On Nov 13, 1:03 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
>> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 12, 10:18?pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 12, 7:29 am, tools <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Mark Probert wrote:
>>>>>> On Nov 11, 8:55 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
>>>>>>> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>>>>>> More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
>>>>>>> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
>>>>>>> failing American children.
>>>>>> They deal with infectious diseases.
>>>>> Do you ever get tired of giving head to your owners?
>>>> That is totally uncalled for, Mark S Probert.
>>>> Take this post to your Rabbi this week.
>>>> Shame on you. ?It only proves you do not read Trah everyday, and you
>>>> are a liar.
>>> Sorry, Mark. I read that wrong. Shame on you tools.
>> That's better.
>
> No, it is not. It is typical of Jan jumping to conclusions whenever
> she reads my name. It is demonstrative of her being blinded by her
> bigotry.
>
john
>
are you Jewish then?
Mark Probert
Shows what you know. I am an Unkie, not an Auntie.
Mark Probert
Mocking religion?
Mark Probert
> Mark Probert wrote:
> > On Nov 12, 10:37 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 12, 10:18 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Nov 12, 7:29 am, tools <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Mark Probert wrote:
> >>>>> On Nov 11, 8:55 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
> >>>>>> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
> >>>>> More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
> >>>>>> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
> >>>>>> failing American children.
> >>>>> They deal with infectious diseases.
> >>>> Do you ever get tired of giving head to your owners?
> >>> That is totally uncalled for, Mark S Probert.
> >>> Take this post to your Rabbi this week.
> >>> Shame on you. It only proves you do not read Trah everyday, and you
> >>> are a liar.
> >> Sorry, Mark. I read that wrong. Shame on you tools.-
>
> > Shame on you Jan. You immediately jumped to a wrong conclusion because
> > you saw my name and hate my religion.
>
> Unlike me. I just think you are a fool to need religion.
Rejecting religion is your right. Accepting relgion is mine.
And you whine
> about it too!.
I do not whine about it at all. I am comfortable with my choice.
Mark Probert
Depends on the cheese. Some I like, some I don't.
Mark Probert
> "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote in message
>
> > Have you read Torah today, Jan? I have.
>
> are you Jewish then?
To paraphrase a commercial from the 1960's for Levy's Jewish Rye
bread,
You don't have to be Jewish to read the Old Testament.
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/haventohome/images/hh0222s.jpg
http://img2.allposters.com/images/VAS/0000-5682-4.jpg
Peter Bowditch
Jan Drew
<....>
Jan Drew
>
> - Show quoted text -
lol. Like your law license?
It is his responsibility to show he was ever an M.D., and his current
medical license.
Otherwise putting a dr in his name is lying.
You cannot cover for him, Mark S Probert.
Newsgroups: sci.med, sci.med.nutrition, sci.med.cardiology,
misc.kids.health
From: Jeffrey Peter, M.D. <dr...@my-deja.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:24:46 GMT
Local: Mon, Oct 30 2000 9:24 pm
Subject: Re: Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz"
That is correct. I no longer practice medicine.
It is true that when someone uses the "M.D." after what appears
to be his name, he usually intends that it be a verifiable
degree and he puts his name behind what he says.
There is no record of a Dr. Utz in either the AMA (pennsylvania) or
ABMS
(nationwide) databases... (i.e., there's no record of there being a
physician with your name... certainly not one who is board
certified).
Part of what Jeffrey is posting is "M.D." That says he is speaking
with the authority of someone with a medical degree, and probably
a physician. If that is a lie, then it is useful for someone to
point that out.
From: Jeffrey Peter, M.D. <dr...@my-deja.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 01:02:45 GMT
Local: Sun, Nov 5 2000 8:02 pm
Subject: Re: Response to "Dr. Jeffrey Utz"
I hope you succeed. A well-run trial will only help fat people like
me.
Jeff Utz
From: "Coleah" <col...@pacifier.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:01:22 GMT
Local: Tues, Aug 3 2004 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: JEFF P UTZ'S LIE ABOUT IMPLANTS
Jeffrey P Utz
xxx Ridge Rd
Lyndhurst, NJ 07071-2429
Tel.: (201) xxx-5758
Jan Drew
>
> - Show quoted text -
Unlike you, I apologized. You did not accept it. Rather --you start
calling names again.
Furthermore, you lie. I do not hate your religion. I do hate lying.
Jan Drew
> On Nov 13, 1:03�am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >On Nov 12, 10:18?pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >> On Nov 12, 7:29 am, tools <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > Mark Probert wrote:
> > >> > > On Nov 11, 8:55 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > >> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
> > >> > >> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>
> > >> > > More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
>
> > >> > >> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
> > >> > >> failing American children.
>
> > >> > > They deal with infectious diseases.
>
> > >> > Do you ever get tired of giving head to your owners?
>
> > >> That is totally uncalled for, Mark S Probert.
>
> > >> Take this post to your Rabbi this week.
>
> > >> Shame on you. ?It only proves you do not read Trah everyday, and you
> > >> are a liar.
>
> > >Sorry, Mark. �I read that wrong. �Shame on you tools.
>
> > That's better.
>
> No, it is not.
<snip>
I am sorry you are not capable to accept an apology.
http://ohr.edu/yhiy/article.php/1393
The Torah teaches us that, as important as it is to say "Sorry", its
equally important to know how to say "I forgive you" in a way that
genuinely comforts the offender.
Jan Drew
"john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote:
> "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote in message
> Have you read Torah today, Jan? I have.
> are you Jewish then?
Wonder if the itch will reply. Without asking a question.
Mark Probert
> On Nov 13, 9:49 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 12, 9:25 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 11, 8:25 am, dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > john wrote:
> > > > > "dr_jeff" <u...@msu.edu> wrote in message news:Pb-
> > > > >> Incorrect. There is no good evidence that suggests that autism is caused
> > > > >> by vaccines. And plenty of good evidence that suggests that autism does
> > > > >> not cause autism. There is no one who understands the science and data who
> > > > >> thinks autism is caused by vaccines.
>
> > > > >> Jeff
>
> > > > > Bollocks, and do stop lying
> > > > >http://www.whale.to/vaccine/vaccine_autism_proven.html
>
> > > > Yes, the site you cite is bullocks. Utter garbage.
>
> > > Thanks for the personal attack, hypocrite.
>
> > > why God named you P.Utz, go figure
>
> > > > Thanks for the personal attack.
>
> > > Liar. Your name is indeed Jeffrey peter Joseph Utz. And you are NOT
> > > an M.D.
>
> > Once the M.D. degree is conferred, it is theirs for life.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
Personal attack, since Jan realizes she is being stupid.
>
> It is his responsibility to show he was ever an M.D., and his current
> medical license.
> Otherwise putting a dr in his name is lying.
No, it is not. You have been told over and over, once the degree is
conferred, he is entitled to use Dr. or M.D.
Why not ask your doctor?
Chicken?
> xxx vxvxvxvxvxvxvxvx
> Tel: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> http://www.whale.to/m/putz.html- Hide quoted text -
Mark Probert
When I see I have done something requiring apology, I do it. You have
yet to rise to that level. You have AU's to go.
You did not accept it. Rather --you start
> calling names again.
I call them as I see them. You jumped to a conclusion because you saw
my name. Why not admit it?
> Furthermore, you lie. I do not hate your religion.
I did not lie. I expressed my opinion based on my interaction with
you. Every comment of yours regarding Judaism tells me that you hate
Jews.
> I do hate lying.-
Self hatred.
Mark Probert
> On Nov 13, 9:57 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 1:03 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
>
> > > Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > >On Nov 12, 10:18?pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Nov 12, 7:29 am, tools <tool...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > Mark Probert wrote:
> > > >> > > On Nov 11, 8:55 pm, Kevysmom <kevysmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > >> Why do we have an epidemic of disabled children, and children with
> > > >> > >> chronic health issues as, diabetes, asthma, cancer, etc..
>
> > > >> > > More children are surviving longer to develop these conditions.
>
> > > >> > >> The CDC (Center for disease control and prevention) seems to be
> > > >> > >> failing American children.
>
> > > >> > > They deal with infectious diseases.
>
> > > >> > Do you ever get tired of giving head to your owners?
>
> > > >> That is totally uncalled for, Mark S Probert.
>
> > > >> Take this post to your Rabbi this week.
>
> > > >> Shame on you. ?It only proves you do not read Trah everyday, and you
> > > >> are a liar.
>
> > > >Sorry, Mark. I read that wrong. Shame on you tools.
>
> > > That's better.
>
> > No, it is not.
>
> <snip>
>
> I am sorry you are not capable to accept an apology.
You have done nothing except abuse me, harass me and my family, and
stalk us. Why should I accept any apology from you for something so
prototypical of your behavior if you forgot to also promise to reform
your behavior?
Saying you apologize is meaningless unless you reform your behavior.
>
> http://ohr.edu/yhiy/article.php/1393
>
> The Torah teaches us that, as important as it is to say "Sorry", its
> equally important to know how to say "I forgive you" in a way that
> genuinely comforts the offender.-
The Torah also teaches that merely saying you are sorry is utterly
meaningless if you continue the behavior that led to it.
And, this post of yours shows that you are mouthing the words, and
there is no true remorse for you actions.
When I see true remorse, demonstrated by cessation of your abuse,
harassment, stalking and mentioning of my family, I will reconsider.
Until then, your words are meaningless to me.
Peter B-Aboriginal
news:3bc6b312-6470-4084...@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
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This is why you educated babies and not young people or older, I just
hope you did not inoculate the babies with your stupidity.
You do *not* need a license to be either an MD or Dr. of Law.
You wanted so bad just to be noticed as a "Principal". ROTFLOL, and for
that one does not have to have any degree of honor.
Peter B-Aboriginal
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Peter Bowditch
No, Jan, I am not Jewish.
Have you read Torah Today? I have.
And why can't I ask for the relevance of my religion. To suggest
otherwise just highlights your bigotry.
Sorry. Two questions.
john
> "john" <nos...@bt.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Peter Bowditch" <myfir...@ratbags.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> Have you read Torah today, Jan? I have.
>>>
>>
>>are you Jewish then?
>>
>
> Why would it matter?
>
> Hint: The Torah plays a part in several religions.
>
don't keep us in suspense
why do you read the torah?
are you shocked at the content http://www.whale.to/b/hoffman11.html
dr_jeff
> I saved a mans life in the mountains by using a spinal alignment to
> stop a full blown heart attack.
Bull. The spinal alignment has nothing to do with heart attacks. If I am
wrong, please provide the mechanism and the evidence that this is the
mechanism of heart attacks.
> You know, crushing pain, purple face,
> history of infarctions, that stuff. No I do not have records to prove it
> as the trees did not keep such records.
In other words, he had an angina attack. Your spinal manipulation did
nothing to help him.
Jeff
Mark Probert
> "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote in message> >>"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote in message
>
> >>> Have you read Torah today, Jan? I have.
>
> >>are you Jewish then?
>
> > Why would it matter?
>
> > Hint: The Torah plays a part in several religions.
>
> don't keep us in suspense
>
> why do you read the torah?
>
> are you shocked at the contenthttp://www.whale.to/b/hoffman11.html
Not surprised at its subtle bigotry.
tools
intentionl misleading of people. Well schooled in hiding the truth.>
tools
tools
do for you family.>
Mark Probert
You could get a cephalotomy and actually become smarter.
tools
are here. In law in many places, you are required to retreat if you can.