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John H. Gohde
Mar 31, 2013, 9:00:57 AM3/31/13
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On Mar 30, 6:22 pm, Lu <L...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 16:06:40 -0400, Reg Griswold wrote
> (in article <5dhel89d89anmvugibs3r9l7ongi7d8...@4ax.com>):
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> >http://www.autonomic-response.co.uk/science/vaccines
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> > Vaccination is NOT a safe and predictable science
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> > "The science has not been done!
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> Why does it take 10 or more years for a drug company to get a license for a
> vaccine if the science hasn't been done???
Relax Moron, your professors wont flunk you for failing to tow the
company line.
Why is it that Science Psychos think that everyone else more stupid,
then they are? Let me guess. Could it be that Science Psychos are
either arrogant ignoramuses, or are they just Evil monsters who are
more than willing to kill people for a nice pay check?
Worldwide there are only a handful of vaccine makers. In the States,
our stupid Federal government in exchange for political campaign
donations pay these Evil corporations Billions of dollars to produce
Flu vaccines, each year, while granting them immunity from ALL
liability for producing dangerous and unsafe vaccines.
The flu vaccine product is neither needed or wanted by the public.
Witness all the nurses who are up in arms for being forced into
unwanted vaccinations.
STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
their dangerous and ineffective product. Let vaccines stand on their
own.
> On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 16:06:40 -0400, Reg Griswold wrote
> (in article <5dhel89d89anmvugibs3r9l7ongi7d8...@4ax.com>):
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> >http://www.autonomic-response.co.uk/science/vaccines
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> > Vaccination is NOT a safe and predictable science
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> > "The science has not been done!
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> Why does it take 10 or more years for a drug company to get a license for a
> vaccine if the science hasn't been done???
Relax Moron, your professors wont flunk you for failing to tow the
company line.
Why is it that Science Psychos think that everyone else more stupid,
then they are? Let me guess. Could it be that Science Psychos are
either arrogant ignoramuses, or are they just Evil monsters who are
more than willing to kill people for a nice pay check?
Worldwide there are only a handful of vaccine makers. In the States,
our stupid Federal government in exchange for political campaign
donations pay these Evil corporations Billions of dollars to produce
Flu vaccines, each year, while granting them immunity from ALL
liability for producing dangerous and unsafe vaccines.
The flu vaccine product is neither needed or wanted by the public.
Witness all the nurses who are up in arms for being forced into
unwanted vaccinations.
STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
their dangerous and ineffective product. Let vaccines stand on their
own.
Happy Oyster
Mar 31, 2013, 9:39:19 AM3/31/13
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On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 06:00:57 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
<john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Why is it that Science Psychos think that everyone else more stupid,
>then they are? Let me guess.
John H. Gohde is a good example. His underwhelming intellectual
<john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Why is it that Science Psychos think that everyone else more stupid,
>then they are? Let me guess.
brilliance makes him believe that crossing the street at a red traffic
light is a magnificent idea. Why so? Because government forbids it!
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John H. Gohde
Mar 31, 2013, 12:53:07 PM3/31/13
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On Mar 31, 9:39 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 06:00:57 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 06:00:57 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Why is it that Science Psychos think that everyone else more stupid,
> >then they are? Let me guess.
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> John H. Gohde is a good example. His underwhelming intellectual
> brilliance makes him believe that crossing the street at a red traffic
> light is a magnificent idea. Why so? Because government forbids it!
Not ONLY are you guys stupid, but you also make a pretty good fool.
> >Why is it that Science Psychos think that everyone else more stupid,
> >then they are? Let me guess.
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> John H. Gohde is a good example. His underwhelming intellectual
> brilliance makes him believe that crossing the street at a red traffic
> light is a magnificent idea. Why so? Because government forbids it!
Perhaps, if you to get another useless PhD?
John H. Gohde
Mar 31, 2013, 1:01:59 PM3/31/13
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On Mar 31, 9:39 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 06:00:57 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Why is it that Science Psychos think that everyone else more stupid,
> >then they are? Let me guess.
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> John H. Gohde is a good example. His underwhelming intellectual
> brilliance makes him believe that crossing the street at a red traffic
> light is a magnificent idea. Why so? Because government forbids it!
> >Why is it that Science Psychos think that everyone else more stupid,
> >then they are? Let me guess.
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> John H. Gohde is a good example. His underwhelming intellectual
> brilliance makes him believe that crossing the street at a red traffic
> light is a magnificent idea. Why so? Because government forbids it!
Happy Oyster
Mar 31, 2013, 2:32:50 PM3/31/13
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miserable creator to have given him so few brainpower.
>Perhaps, if you to get another useless PhD?
Happy Oyster
Mar 31, 2013, 2:33:33 PM3/31/13
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millions of lives.
John H. Gohde
Mar 31, 2013, 4:27:23 PM3/31/13
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On Mar 31, 2:33 pm, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 10:01:59 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> >On Mar 31, 9:39 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 06:00:57 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> >> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Why is it that Science Psychos think that everyone else more stupid,
> >> >then they are? Let me guess.
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> >> John H. Gohde is a good example. His underwhelming intellectual
> >> brilliance makes him believe that crossing the street at a red traffic
> >> light is a magnificent idea. Why so? Because government forbids it!
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> >STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
> >their dangerous and ineffective product. Let vaccines stand on their
> >own.
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> Oh, vaccines do very well on their own. They already saved hundreds of
> millions of lives.
Tell me another tall tale.
> On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 10:01:59 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 31, 9:39 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 06:00:57 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> >> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Why is it that Science Psychos think that everyone else more stupid,
> >> >then they are? Let me guess.
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> >> John H. Gohde is a good example. His underwhelming intellectual
> >> brilliance makes him believe that crossing the street at a red traffic
> >> light is a magnificent idea. Why so? Because government forbids it!
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> >STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
> >their dangerous and ineffective product. Let vaccines stand on their
> >own.
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> Oh, vaccines do very well on their own. They already saved hundreds of
> millions of lives.
John H. Gohde
Mar 31, 2013, 4:27:26 PM3/31/13
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On Mar 31, 2:33 pm, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 10:01:59 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> >On Mar 31, 9:39 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 06:00:57 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> >> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Why is it that Science Psychos think that everyone else more stupid,
> >> >then they are? Let me guess.
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> >> John H. Gohde is a good example. His underwhelming intellectual
> >> brilliance makes him believe that crossing the street at a red traffic
> >> light is a magnificent idea. Why so? Because government forbids it!
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> >STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
> >their dangerous and ineffective product. Let vaccines stand on their
> >own.
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> Oh, vaccines do very well on their own. They already saved hundreds of
> millions of lives.
> On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 10:01:59 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 31, 9:39 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 06:00:57 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> >> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Why is it that Science Psychos think that everyone else more stupid,
> >> >then they are? Let me guess.
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> >> John H. Gohde is a good example. His underwhelming intellectual
> >> brilliance makes him believe that crossing the street at a red traffic
> >> light is a magnificent idea. Why so? Because government forbids it!
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> >STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
> >their dangerous and ineffective product. Let vaccines stand on their
> >own.
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> Oh, vaccines do very well on their own. They already saved hundreds of
> millions of lives.
Happy Oyster
Mar 31, 2013, 5:32:24 PM3/31/13
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On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 13:27:23 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
<john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oh, vaccines do very well on their own. They already saved hundreds of
>> millions of lives.
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>Tell me another tall tale.
Translated: John H. Gohde is too stupid to read the web-site of the
<john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oh, vaccines do very well on their own. They already saved hundreds of
>> millions of lives.
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>Tell me another tall tale.
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GAVI's impact
Saving lives
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Women
Since 2000, GAVI has prevented more than five and a half million future
deaths
All countries eligible for support have applied for at least one vaccine
Future deaths averted through GAVI support (2000-2011)1
326m additional children immunised
By the end of 2011, GAVI had supported the immunisation of 326 million
additional children, who might not otherwise have had access to
vaccines, and prevented over five million future deaths. This figure
includes:
296 million children immunised against hepatitis B;
124 million children protected against Haemophilus influenzae type b
(Hib), the cause of deadly forms of meningitis and pneumonia;
54 million children who have received yellow fever vaccine.
A series of one-off investments in measles and polio vaccines have
prevented another 900,000 future deaths.
US$ 7.2 billion committed to countries
Source: GAVI Alliance data as at 31 December 2011
US$ 7.2 billion of support
In total, GAVI has committed US$ 7.2 billion since 2000. 80% has been
committed towards the purchase of vaccines.
According to UNICEF's State of the world's vaccines and immunisation
(2009), more children are being immunised than ever before and the
reversal of the 1990s global decline in immunisation coverage is
"directly attributable to the efforts of developing countries making
good use of support provided by the GAVI Alliance and partners."
High country demand
Demand for new and underused vaccines is rising. By 2010, all of the 72
countries eligible for GAVI support had successfully applied for at
least one new or underused vaccine.
Today, most applications are for the pneumococcal and rotavirus
vaccines, prime causes of the world's two biggest child killers
pneumonia and diarrhoea respectively.
GAVI has helped accelerate the introduction of new conjugate
pneumococcal and rotavirus vaccines in low-income countries by funding
two Accelerated Development and Introduction Plans (ADIPs) in February
2003: the Pneumo ADIP and the PATH Rotavirus Vaccine Program (RVP). The
GAVI-funded Hib Intiative, established in June 2005, also helped create
country demand for Hib vaccines after the availability of GAVI funds
initially failed to increase uptake.
Countries approved and eligible for GAVI support
Source: GAVI Alliance data as at 31 December 2011
1 Source: These estimates and projections are produced by the WHO
Department of Immunization, Vaccines and Biologicals, based on the most
up to date data and models available as of September 2011
*Polio estimate includes deaths averted by vitamin A supplements
supported by GAVI
</quote>
John H. Gohde
Mar 31, 2013, 6:48:32 PM3/31/13
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On Mar 31, 5:32 pm, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> Since 2000, GAVI has prevented more than five and a half million future
> deaths
Stop the BullShit!
> Since 2000, GAVI has prevented more than five and a half million future
> deaths
Happy Oyster
Mar 31, 2013, 7:22:00 PM3/31/13
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2013
GAVI funds vaccines to protect girls against cervical cancer
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GAVI funds vaccines to protect girls against cervical cancer
Support for HPV vaccine pilot programmes approved for eight developing
countries
� GAVI/2012/Youngblood
Geneva, 4 February 2013 � More than 180,000 girls in eight developing
countries are set to receive protection against the leading cause of
cervical cancer thanks to human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccines funded by
the GAVI Alliance.
In an announcement made on World Cancer Day, the Alliance confirmed that
Ghana, Kenya, Lao PDR, Madagascar, Malawi, Niger, Sierra Leone and
Tanzania will become the first countries to receive GAVI support to
start HPV vaccine demonstration programmes.
The demonstration programmes will give each country the opportunity to
test their ability to put in place the systems that would be needed to
roll out the HPV vaccines nationally and to inform their decisions.
Unlike most other vaccines, which are administered to children under the
age of five, HPV vaccines are given to girls aged nine to 13.
Global effort
�Introducing the HPV vaccine in developing countries is the start of a
global effort to protect all girls against cervical cancer,� said Dr
Seth Berkley, GAVI CEO. �Of the 275,000 women who die of cervical cancer
annually, 85% live in the world�s poorest countries. Cervical cancer is
one of the leading cancer killers of women in the developing world.�
By 2015, GAVI plans to support more than 20 countries to vaccinate
approximately one million girls with HPV vaccines through pilot
projects. By 2020, more than 30 million girls are expected to have been
vaccinated in over 40 countries with GAVI support.
Learn more about the HPV vaccine demonstration programmes that GAVI has
approved for support in eight countries
Target districts: largely rural Dangme West in the south of the country
| predominantly metropolitan Tamale Metro in the north
Target district: Kitui County
Target population group: 18,000 girls aged 9-13
Target districts: Vientiane Municipality | Vientiane Province.
Target districts: Soavinandriana rural district | Toamasina 1 urban
district
Target districts: Zomba | Rumphi
Target population group: more than 10,000 girls per year starting
September 2013
Target districts: Niamey II | Madarounfa
Target population group: 19,000 11-year-olds per year
Target district: Bo state
Target population group: mixture of school age, health facility and
outreach
Target districts: Moshi urban, Moshi rural, Hai & Siha, Rombo in the
Kilimanjaro region
2013 schedule
Seven of the eight selected countries will begin introducing HPV
vaccines this year targeting girls aged 9 to 13, mainly through schools
but also community health programmes to reach girls who do not go to
school. Ghana, Kenya and Sierra Leone are likely to be the first to
begin administering HPV vaccinations in early 2013 with Tanzania
planning to start next year.
GAVI-eligible countries which already have systems in place for national
rollouts targeting adolescent girls can apply for funding without
undertaking demonstration projects.
Introducing the HPV vaccine in developing countries is the start of a
global effort to protect all girls against cervical cancer
Dr Seth Berkley, GAVI CEO
Strategy
In some countries cervical cancer now kills as many women as childbirth,
claiming a life every two minutes. Without changes in prevention and
control, cervical cancer deaths are expected to increase to 430,000 each
year by 2030, virtually all in developing countries. Immunising girls
before sexual initiation � and before exposure to HPV infection � is a
key strategy to preventing cervical cancer. Vaccination against HPV is
only effective before the person is infected with the virus.
"It is imperative that young women and girls be protected against
cervical cancer, the leading cause of cancer deaths in women in our
region," said Hon. Catherine Gotani Hara, Minister of Health of Malawi.
"Given that most women in Africa often lack access to screening and
treatment services, the HPV vaccine is our best hope at protecting girls
against this deadly disease. We applaud GAVI's commitment to make the
HPV vaccine more accessible and affordable to Malawi and other
low-income countries."
Half a million doses
UNICEF, a key GAVI partner, will procure the vaccines following a
competitive tender process that is currently being completed. Merck and
GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) are currently the only two manufacturers who have
prequalified HPV vaccines.
Affordable price
GAVI has been working with vaccine manufacturers to secure the most
affordable price for HPV vaccines. To date, one manufacturer has
announced an indicative price of US$ 5 per dose, a 64% reduction on the
current lowest public price. GAVI expects to secure a lower price for
procurement of HPV vaccines, vital to the sustainability of current and
future programmes.
One of the challenges to effectively delivering HPV vaccines is that
many developing countries do not offer routine health services for girls
in the 9 to 13 age group. Other challenges include identifying the
appropriate target group, engaging with those at highest risk who may
not be easily reached, and preventing a sexually transmitted
cancer-causing infection that is minimally symptomatic or asymptomatic.
Learn by doing
The eight countries approved for GAVI support will �learn by doing� in
order to make an informed decision on whether to expand their programmes
nationwide and potentially build capacity to do so.
Initial experience in offering HPV vaccinations through schools in
Africa, Asia and Latin America has been encouraging.
The introduction of HPV vaccines in developing countries also provides a
window of opportunity to strengthen other adolescent health services,
exploiting synergies with nutrition, HIV, sexual and reproductive
health.
Professor Ian Frazer, creator of the HPV vaccine, welcomed GAVI�s
announcement. �I am very pleased that GAVI is standing firm in its
commitment,� he said. �Today�s announcement of country approvals for HPV
pilot projects is another big step forward to ensuring that girls living
in developing countries enjoy the same access to HPV vaccines as girls
elsewhere in the world.�
GAVI is funded by the following governments, as well as private,
corporate and foundation donors: Absolute Return for Kids (ARK), Anglo
American plc, Australia, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Brazil,
Canada, The Children�s Investment Fund Foundation (UK), Comic Relief,
Denmark, European Commission (EC), France, Germany, His Highness Sheikh
Bin Zayed Al Nahyan, Ireland, Italy, JP Morgan, Japan, 'la Caixa'
Foundation, LDS Charities, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Other
private donors, Republic of Korea, Russian Federation, South Africa,
Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom, United States of America.
Click to view the full donor list.
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John H. Gohde
Apr 1, 2013, 5:23:30 PM4/1/13
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STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
their dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their
own.
Bob Officer
Apr 1, 2013, 8:18:00 PM4/1/13
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On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:23:30 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
thus john pop's out of the 30 day idiot file, shows the world he
doesn't understand what he is talking about and goes right back in
the idiot file for 30 more days.
--
Bob Officer
"Whoops .... now where did I put that other braincell?
It make it very hard to work things out.
Oh, I'll check up my arse ...get back to ya."
carole hubbard in Message-ID: <f3b680d9-da69-4c7e...@y5g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>
doesn't understand what he is talking about and goes right back in
the idiot file for 30 more days.
--
Bob Officer
"Whoops .... now where did I put that other braincell?
It make it very hard to work things out.
Oh, I'll check up my arse ...get back to ya."
carole hubbard in Message-ID: <f3b680d9-da69-4c7e...@y5g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>
John H. Gohde
Apr 2, 2013, 7:41:28 AM4/2/13
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On Apr 1, 8:18 pm, Bob Officer <*.*@*.*> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:23:30 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
> "John H. Gohde" <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
> >their dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their
> >own.
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> thus john pop's out of the 30 day idiot file, shows the world he
> doesn't understand what he is talking about and goes right back in
> the idiot file for 30 more days.
See! Isn't it amazing when given the simplest of tasks, this Science
> On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:23:30 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
> "John H. Gohde" <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
> >their dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their
> >own.
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> thus john pop's out of the 30 day idiot file, shows the world he
> doesn't understand what he is talking about and goes right back in
> the idiot file for 30 more days.
Psycho, consistently screws up. Put your neck where your mouth is,
Geek!
STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
their dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their
Happy Oyster
Apr 2, 2013, 9:50:10 AM4/2/13
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On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 04:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
<john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
>their dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their
<john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
>their dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their
>own in the market place.
That is bloody stupid and would kill hundreds of millions of poeople.
John H. Gohde
Apr 2, 2013, 6:45:47 PM4/2/13
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On Apr 2, 9:50 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 04:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 04:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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Happy Oyster
Apr 3, 2013, 3:45:27 AM4/3/13
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lives.
John H. Gohde
Apr 3, 2013, 6:48:58 AM4/3/13
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On Apr 3, 3:45 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
>their dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their
>own in the market place.
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> Vaccines have a magniicent stand - they saved hundreds of
> millions of lives.
Ha, ... hah, Ha! That is a popular myth being spread around by some
>STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
>their dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their
>own in the market place.
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> Vaccines have a magniicent stand - they saved hundreds of
> millions of lives.
pretty unconscious organizations, like the AMA. What did Hitler say?
If you repeat the same lie often enough, and make it big enough, just
about everyone will believe it.
Second point, it takes more than developing a vaccine, Moron! You
have to consistently produce a product that is both safe and
effective. That means no dumping defective batches upon naive third
world countries, as well making vaccine makers totally liable for
their vaccines, just like every other business.
Tell me about another totally unsupported myth of conventional
medicine, Science Psycho.
Herman Rubin
Apr 3, 2013, 2:45:48 PM4/3/13
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On 2013-04-03, Happy Oyster <-*-*> wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:45:47 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
><john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Apr 2, 9:50 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 04:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>>> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
>>> >their dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their
>>> >own in the market place.
>>> That is bloody stupid and would kill hundreds of millions of poeople.
>>STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
>>their dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their
>>own in the market place.
> Vaccines have a magniicent stand - they saved hundreds of millions of
> lives.
Vaccines are valuable, as you say. However, they do not provide
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:45:47 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
><john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Apr 2, 9:50 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 04:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>>> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
>>> >their dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their
>>> >own in the market place.
>>> That is bloody stupid and would kill hundreds of millions of poeople.
>>STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
>>their dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their
>>own in the market place.
> Vaccines have a magniicent stand - they saved hundreds of millions of
> lives.
the maker with enough profit to attempt to provide the guarantees
which Mr. Gohde wants; they are uaually, to the maker, in the
nature of generic drugs, which often because of time or other
factors, do not have the amount of testing required for them.
The flu vaccine is a good example; the strains to be included
are given by an international committee, and there is NO time
to test the vaccine, except for immediate adverse effects
before it will have to be given.
Others are less urgent, but there are dangers in vaccines
which cannot be eliminated. However, there is no way the
drug companies can offer to handle those risks.
--
This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hru...@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
Herman Rubin
Apr 3, 2013, 2:52:32 PM4/3/13
to
batches of vaccines can still lead to side effects. It is
necessary to keep the cost low enough that the person taking
the vaccine can afford the risk, and this is likely to be too
low for the company manufacturing the vaccine to get enough
profit to take the risk even of "good" vaccines. There is a
benefit to society in having people not get infected.
> Tell me about another totally unsupported myth of conventional
> medicine, Science Psycho.
John H. Gohde
Apr 3, 2013, 3:12:07 PM4/3/13
to
On Apr 3, 2:52 pm, Herman Rubin <hru...@skew.stat.purdue.edu> wrote:
If you can believe that these vaccines are all that great then STOP
vaccines.
Every business does the same. Every businessman runs the risk of
being sued into oblivion for selling a dangerous product.
Surely you are NOT saying the so the so-called superior mind is unable
to do what every lowly business operator is more than capable of
doing?
Personally, I just think that YOU guys are lying through your
teeth. :)
> On 2013-04-03, John H. Gohde <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 3, 3:45 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> >>STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
> >>their dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their
> >>own in the market place.
> >> Vaccines have a magniicent stand - they saved hundreds of
> >> millions of lives.
> > Ha, ... hah, Ha! That is a popular myth being spread around by some
> > pretty unconscious organizations, like the AMA. What did Hitler say?
> > If you repeat the same lie often enough, and make it big enough, just
> > about everyone will believe it.
> > Second point, it takes more than developing a vaccine, Moron! You
> > have to consistently produce a product that is both safe and
> > effective. That means no dumping defective batches upon naive third
> > world countries, as well making vaccine makers totally liable for
> > their vaccines, just like every other business.
>
> There is nothing which is safe and effective. Non-defective
> batches of vaccines can still lead to side effects. It is
> necessary to keep the cost low enough that the person taking
> the vaccine can afford the risk, and this is likely to be too
> low for the company manufacturing the vaccine to get enough
> profit to take the risk even of "good" vaccines. There is a
> benefit to society in having people not get infected.
Sounds like total B/S to moi.
>
> > On Apr 3, 3:45 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> >>STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
> >>their dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their
> >>own in the market place.
> >> Vaccines have a magniicent stand - they saved hundreds of
> >> millions of lives.
> > Ha, ... hah, Ha! That is a popular myth being spread around by some
> > pretty unconscious organizations, like the AMA. What did Hitler say?
> > If you repeat the same lie often enough, and make it big enough, just
> > about everyone will believe it.
> > Second point, it takes more than developing a vaccine, Moron! You
> > have to consistently produce a product that is both safe and
> > effective. That means no dumping defective batches upon naive third
> > world countries, as well making vaccine makers totally liable for
> > their vaccines, just like every other business.
>
> There is nothing which is safe and effective. Non-defective
> batches of vaccines can still lead to side effects. It is
> necessary to keep the cost low enough that the person taking
> the vaccine can afford the risk, and this is likely to be too
> low for the company manufacturing the vaccine to get enough
> profit to take the risk even of "good" vaccines. There is a
> benefit to society in having people not get infected.
If you can believe that these vaccines are all that great then STOP
the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for their
dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their own
in the market place. Let the market determine the true price of
dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their own
vaccines.
Every business does the same. Every businessman runs the risk of
being sued into oblivion for selling a dangerous product.
Surely you are NOT saying the so the so-called superior mind is unable
to do what every lowly business operator is more than capable of
doing?
Personally, I just think that YOU guys are lying through your
teeth. :)
Happy Oyster
Apr 4, 2013, 7:50:31 AM4/4/13
to
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
<john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Second point, it takes more than developing a vaccine, Moron! You
>have to consistently produce a product that is both safe and
>effective.
Well, like vaccines. Vaccines are tested in hundreds of millions of
<john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Second point, it takes more than developing a vaccine, Moron! You
>have to consistently produce a product that is both safe and
>effective.
cases EACH YEAR!
John H. Gohde
Apr 4, 2013, 8:40:49 AM4/4/13
to
On Apr 4, 7:50 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>
> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Second point, it takes more than developing a vaccine, Moron! You
> >have to consistently produce a product that is both safe and
> >effective.
>
> Well, like vaccines. Vaccines are tested in hundreds of millions of
> cases EACH YEAR!
I can spot a liar a mile away.
> >Second point, it takes more than developing a vaccine, Moron! You
> >have to consistently produce a product that is both safe and
> >effective.
>
> Well, like vaccines. Vaccines are tested in hundreds of millions of
> cases EACH YEAR!
You have my condolences.
Happy Oyster
Apr 4, 2013, 4:05:23 PM4/4/13
to
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 05:40:49 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
<john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 4, 7:50锟絘m, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>>
>> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Second point, it takes more than developing a vaccine, Moron! 锟結ou
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm
<quote>
What Would Happen If We Stopped Vaccinations?
In the U.S., vaccination programs have eliminated or significantly
reduced many vaccine-preventable diseases. However, these diseases still
exist and can once again become common锟絘nd deadly锟絠f vaccination
coverage does not continue at high levels.
On this page (Figures and Statistics Updated 2003):
Introduction
Measles
Polio
Type b (Hib) Meningitis
Hepatitis B
Pertussis (Whooping Cough)
Pneumococcal
Rubella (German Measles)
Varicella (Chickenpox)
Diphtheria
Tetanus (Lockjaw)
Mumps
Introduction
In the U.S., vaccines have reduced or eliminated many infectious
diseases that once routinely killed or harmed many infants, children,
and adults. However, the viruses and bacteria that cause
vaccine-preventable disease and death still exist and can be passed on
to people who are not protected by vaccines. Vaccine-preventable
diseases have many social and economic costs: sick children miss school
and can cause parents to lose time from work. These diseases also result
in doctor's visits, hospitalizations, and even premature deaths.
Polio
Stopping vaccination against polio will leave people susceptible to
infection with poliovirus. Polio causes acute paralysis that can lead to
permanent physical disability and even death. Before polio vaccine was
available, 13,000 to 20,000 cases of paralytic polio were reported each
year in the United States. Annual epidemics of polio often left
victims锟絤ostly children锟絠n braces, crutches, wheelchairs, and, in
serious cases, iron lungs. Many of the children that survived
experienced life-long consequences from the disease.
In 1988, the World Health Assembly unanimously agreed to eradicate polio
worldwide. As a result of global polio eradication efforts, the number
of cases reported globally has decreased from more than 350,000 cases in
1988 to 187 cases in 2012 (as of November 14, 2012). Only three
countries remain endemic for polio in 2012: Afghanistan, Nigeria, and
Pakistan. Stopping vaccination before eradication is achieved would
result in a resurgence of this preventable disease and threaten future
generations of children.
This section last updated November 2012.
Measles
Before measles immunization was available, nearly everyone in the U.S.
got measles. An average of 450 measles-associated deaths were reported
each year between 1953 and 1963.
In the U.S., up to 20 percent of persons with measles are hospitalized.
Seventeen percent of measles cases have had one or more complications,
such as ear infections, pneumonia, or diarrhea. Pneumonia is present in
about six percent of cases and accounts for most of the measles deaths.
Although less common, some persons with measles develop encephalitis
(swelling of the lining of the brain), resulting in brain damage.
As many as three of every 1,000 persons with measles will die in the
U.S. In the developing world, the rate is much higher, with death
occurring in about one of every 100 persons with measles.
Measles is one of the most infectious diseases in the world and is
frequently imported into the U.S. In the period 1997-2000, most cases
were associated with international visitors or U.S. residents who were
exposed to the measles virus while traveling abroad. More than 90
percent of people who are not immune will get measles if they are
exposed to the virus.
According to the World Health Organization (WHO), nearly 900,000
measles-related deaths occurred among persons in developing countries in
1999. In populations that are not immune to measles, measles spreads
rapidly. If vaccinations were stopped, each year about 2.7 million
measles deaths worldwide could be expected.
In the U.S., widespread use of measles vaccine has led to a greater than
99 percent reduction in measles compared with the pre-vaccine era. If we
stopped immunization, measles would increase to pre-vaccine levels.
Haemophilus Influenzae Type b (Hib) Meningitis
Before Hib vaccine became available, Hib was the most common cause of
bacterial meningitis in U.S. infants and children. Before the vaccine
was developed, there were approximately 20,000 invasive Hib cases
annually. Approximately two-thirds of the 20,000 cases were meningitis,
and one-third were other life-threatening invasive Hib diseases such as
bacteria in the blood, pneumonia, or inflammation of the epiglottis.
About one of every 200 U.S. children under 5 years of age got an
invasive Hib disease. Hib meningitis once killed 600 children each year
and left many survivors with deafness, seizures, or mental retardation.
Since introduction of conjugate Hib vaccine in December 1987, the
incidence of Hib has declined by 98 percent. From 1994-1998, fewer than
10 fatal cases of invasive Hib disease were reported each year.
This preventable disease was a common, devastating illness as recently
as 1990; now, most pediatricians just finishing training have never seen
a case. If we were to stop immunization, we would likely soon return to
the pre-vaccine numbers of invasive Hib disease cases and deaths.
Pertussis (Whooping Cough)
Since the early 1980s, reported pertussis cases have been increasing,
with peaks every 3-5 years; however, the number of reported cases
remains much lower than levels seen in the pre-vaccine era. Compared
with pertussis cases in other age groups, infants who are 6 months old
or younger with pertussis experience the highest rate of
hospitalization, pneumonia, seizures, encephalopathy (a degenerative
disease of the brain) and death. From 2000 through 2008, 181 persons
died from pertussis; 166 of these were less than six months old.
Before pertussis immunizations were available, nearly all children
developed whooping cough. In the U.S., prior to pertussis immunization,
between 150,000 and 260,000 cases of pertussis were reported each year,
with up to 9,000 pertussis-related deaths.
Pertussis can be a severe illness, resulting in prolonged coughing
spells that can last for many weeks. These spells can make it difficult
for a person to eat, drink, and breathe. Because vomiting often occurs
after a coughing spell, persons may lose weight and become dehydrated.
In infants, it can also cause pneumonia and lead to brain damage,
seizures, and mental retardation.
The newer pertussis vaccine (acellular or DTaP) has been available for
use in the United States since 1991 and has been recommended for
exclusive use since 1998. These vaccines are effective and associated
with fewer mild and moderate adverse reactions when compared with the
older (whole-cell DTP) vaccines.
During the 1970s, widespread concerns about the safety of the older
pertussis vaccine led to a rapid fall in immunization levels in the
United Kingdom. More than 100,000 cases and 36 deaths due to pertussis
were reported during an epidemic in the mid 1970s. In Japan, pertussis
vaccination coverage fell from 80 percent in 1974 to 20 percent in 1979.
An epidemic occurred in 1979, resulted in more than 13,000 cases and 41
deaths.
Pertussis cases occur throughout the world. If we stopped pertussis
immunizations in the U.S., we would experience a massive resurgence of
pertussis disease. A study* found that, in eight countries where
immunization coverage was reduced, incidence rates of pertussis surged
to 10 to 100 times the rates in countries where vaccination rates were
sustained.
*Reference for study: Gangarosa EJ, et al. Impact of anti-vaccine
movements on pertussis control: the untold story. Lancet
1998;351:356-61.
This section last updated August 2010.
Pneumococcal
Before pneumococcal conjugate vaccine became available for children,
pneumococcus caused 63,000 cases of invasive pneumococcal disease and
6,100 deaths in the U.S. each year. Many children who developed
pneumococcal meningitis also developed long-term complications such as
deafness or seizures. Since the vaccine was introduced, the incidence of
invasive pneumococcal disease in children has been reduced by 75%.
Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine also reduces spread of pneumococcus from
children to adults. In 2003 alone, there were 30,000 fewer cases of
invasive pneumococcal disease caused by strains included in the vaccine,
including 20,000 fewer cases in children and adults too old to receive
the vaccine. If we were to stop immunization, we would likely soon
return to the pre-vaccine numbers of invasive pneumococcal disease cases
and deaths.
This section last updated April 2007.
Rubella (German Measles)
While rubella is usually mild in children and adults, up to 90 percent
of infants born to mothers infected with rubella during the first
trimester of pregnancy will develop congenital rubella syndrome (CRS),
resulting in heart defects, cataracts, mental retardation, and deafness.
In 1964-1965, before rubella immunization was used routinely in the
U.S., there was an epidemic of rubella that resulted in an estimated
20,000 infants born with CRS, with 2,100 neonatal deaths and 11,250
miscarriages. Of the 20,000 infants born with CRS, 11,600 were deaf,
3,580 were blind, and 1,800 were mentally retarded.
Due to the widespread use of rubella vaccine, only six CRS cases were
provisionally reported in the U.S. in 2000. Because many developing
countries do not include rubella in the childhood immunization schedule,
many of these cases occurred in foreign-born adults. Since 1996, greater
than 50 percent of the reported rubella cases have been among adults.
Since 1999, there have been 40 pregnant women infected with rubella.
If we stopped rubella immunization, immunity to rubella would decline
and rubella would once again return, resulting in pregnant women
becoming infected with rubella and then giving birth to infants with
CRS.
Varicella (Chickenpox)
Prior to the licensing of the chickenpox vaccine in 1995, almost all
persons in the United States had suffered from chickenpox by adulthood.
Each year, the virus caused an estimated 4 million cases of chickenpox,
11,000 hospitalizations, and 100-150 deaths.
A highly contagious disease, chickenpox is usually mild but can be
severe in some persons. Infants, adolescents and adults, pregnant women,
and immunocompromised persons are at particular risk for serious
complications including secondary bacterial infections, loss of fluids
(dehydration), pneumonia, and central nervous system involvement. The
availability of the chickenpox vaccine and its subsequent widespread use
has had a major impact on reducing cases of chickenpox and related
morbidity, hospitalizations, and deaths. In some areas, cases have
decreased as much as 90% over prevaccination numbers.
If vaccination against chickenpox were to stop, the disease would
eventually return to prevaccination rates, with virtually all
susceptible persons becoming infected with the virus at some point in
their lives.
This section last updated June 2011.
Hepatitis B
More than 2 billion persons worldwide have been infected with the
hepatitis B virus at some time in their lives. Of these, 350 million are
life-long carriers of the disease and can transmit the virus to others.
One million of these people die each year from liver disease and liver
cancer.
National studies have shown that about 12.5 million Americans have been
infected with hepatitis B virus at some point in their lifetime. One and
one quarter million Americans are estimated to have chronic
(long-lasting) infection, of whom 20 percent to 30 percent acquired
their infection in childhood. Chronic hepatitis B virus infection
increases a person's risk for chronic liver disease, cirrhosis, and
liver cancer. About 5,000 persons will die each year from hepatitis
B-related liver disease resulting in over $700 million in medical and
work loss costs.
The number of new infections per year has declined from an average of
450,000 in the 1980s to about 80,000 in 1999. The greatest decline has
occurred among children and adolescents due to routine hepatitis B
vaccination.
Infants and children who become infected with hepatitis B virus are at
highest risk of developing lifelong infection, which often leads to
death from liver disease (cirrhosis) and liver cancer. Approximately 25
percent of children who become infected with life-long hepatitis B virus
would be expected to die of related liver disease as adults.
CDC estimates that one-third of the life-long hepatitis B virus
infections in the United States resulted from infections occurring in
infants and young children. About 16,000 - 20,000 hepatitis B antigen
infected women give birth each year in the United States. It is
estimated that 12,000 children born to hepatitis B virus infected
mothers were infected each year before implementation of infant
immunization programs. In addition, approximately 33,000 children (10
years of age and younger) of mothers who are not infected with hepatitis
B virus were infected each year before routine recommendation of
childhood hepatitis B vaccination.
Diphtheria
Diphtheria is a serious disease caused by a bacterium. This germ
produces a poisonous substance or toxin which frequently causes heart
and nerve problems. The case fatality rate is 5 percent to 10 percent,
with higher case-fatality rates (up to 20 percent) in the very young and
the elderly.
In the 1920's, diphtheria was a major cause of illness and death for
children in the U.S. In 1921, a total of 206,000 cases and 15,520 deaths
were reported. With vaccine development in 1923, new cases of diphtheria
began to fall in the U.S., until in 2001 only two cases were reported.
Although diphtheria is rare in the U.S., it appears that the bacteria
continue to get passed among people. In 1996, 10 isolates of the
bacteria were obtained from persons in an American Indian community in
South Dakota, none of whom had classic diphtheria disease. There was one
death reported in 2003 from clinical diphtheria in a 63 year old male
who had never been vaccinated.
There are high rates of susceptibility among adults. Screening tests
conducted since 1977 have shown that 41 percent to 84 percent of adults
60 and over lack protective levels of circulating antitoxin against
diphtheria.
Although diphtheria is rare in the U.S., it is still a threat.
Diphtheria is common in other parts of the world and with the increase
in international travel, diphtheria and other infectious diseases are
only a plane ride away. If we stopped immunization, the U.S. might
experience a situation similar to the Newly Independent States of the
former Soviet Union. With the breakdown of the public health services in
this area, diphtheria epidemics began in 1990, fueled primarily by
persons who were not properly vaccinated. From 1990-1999, more than
150,000 cases and 5,000 deaths were reported.
Tetanus (Lockjaw)
Tetanus is a severe, often fatal disease. The bacteria that cause
tetanus are widely distributed in soil and street dust, are found in the
waste of many animals, and are very resistant to heat and germ-killing
cleaners. From 1922-1926, there were an estimated 1,314 cases of tetanus
per year in the U.S. In the late 1940's, the tetanus vaccine was
introduced, and tetanus became a disease that was officially counted and
tracked by public health officials. In 2000, only 41 cases of tetanus
were reported in the U.S.
People who get tetanus suffer from stiffness and spasms of the muscles.
The larynx (throat) can close causing breathing and eating difficulties,
muscles spasms can cause fractures (breaks) of the spine and long bones,
and some people go into a coma, and die. Approximately 20 percent of
reported cases end in death.
Tetanus in the U.S. is primarily a disease of adults, but unvaccinated
children and infants of unvaccinated mothers are also at risk for
tetanus and neonatal tetanus, respectively. From 1995-1997, 33 percent
of reported cases of tetanus occurred among persons 60 years of age or
older and 60 percent occurred in patients greater than 40 years of age.
The National Health Interview Survey found that in 1995, only 36 percent
of adults 65 or older had received a tetanus vaccination during the
preceding 10 years.
Worldwide, tetanus in newborn infants continues to be a huge problem.
Every year tetanus kills 300,000 newborns and 30,000 birth mothers who
were not properly vaccinated. Even though the number of reported cases
is low, an increased number of tetanus cases in younger persons has been
observed recently in the U.S. among intravenous drug users, particularly
heroin users.
Tetanus is infectious, but not contagious, so unlike other
vaccine-preventable diseases, immunization by members of the community
will not protect others from the disease. Because tetanus bacteria are
widespread in the environment, tetanus can only be prevented by
immunization. If vaccination against tetanus were stopped, persons of
all ages in the U.S. would be susceptible to this serious disease.
Mumps
Before the mumps vaccine was introduced, mumps was a major cause of
deafness in children, occurring in approximately 1 in 20,000 reported
cases. Mumps is usually a mild viral disease. However, serious
complications, such as inflammation of the brain (encephalitis) can
occur rarely. Prior to mumps vaccine, mumps encephalitis was the leading
cause of viral encephalitis in the United States, but is now rarely
seen.
Serious side effects of mumps are more common among adults than
children. Swelling of the testes is the most common side effect in males
past the age of puberty, occurring in up to 37 percent of post-pubertal
males who contract mumps. An increase in miscarriages has been found
among women who develop mumps during the first trimester of pregnancy.
Before there was a vaccine against mumps, mumps was a very common
disease in U.S. children, with as many as 300,000 cases reported every
year. After vaccine licensure in 1967, reports of mumps decreased
rapidly. In 1986 and 1987, there was a resurgence of mumps with 12,848
cases reported in 1987. Since 1989, the incidence of mumps has declined,
with 266 reported cases in 2001. This recent decrease is probably due to
the fact that children have received a second dose of mumps vaccine
(part of the two-dose schedule for measles, mumps, rubella or MMR).
Studies have shown that the effectiveness of mumps vaccine ranges from
73% to 91% after 1 dose and from 79% to 95% after 2 doses and that 2
doses are more effective than 1 dose.
We can not let our guard down against mumps. A 2006 outbreak among
college students led to over 6500 cases and a 2009-10 outbreak in the
tradition-observant Jewish community in 2 states led to over 3400 cases.
Mumps is a communicable disease and while prolonged close contact among
persons my facilitate transmission, maintenance of high 2-dose MMR
vaccine coverage remains the most effective way to prevent and limit the
size of mumps outbreaks.
This section last updated July 2010.
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</quote>
<john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 4, 7:50锟絘m, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>>
>> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >have to consistently produce a product that is both safe and
>> >effective.
>>
>> Well, like vaccines. Vaccines are tested in hundreds of millions of
>> cases EACH YEAR!
>
>
>I can spot a liar a mile away.
Yes, John H. Gohde is a liar, a vile and rotten liar.
>> >effective.
>>
>> Well, like vaccines. Vaccines are tested in hundreds of millions of
>> cases EACH YEAR!
>
>
>I can spot a liar a mile away.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm
<quote>
What Would Happen If We Stopped Vaccinations?
In the U.S., vaccination programs have eliminated or significantly
reduced many vaccine-preventable diseases. However, these diseases still
exist and can once again become common锟絘nd deadly锟絠f vaccination
coverage does not continue at high levels.
On this page (Figures and Statistics Updated 2003):
Introduction
Measles
Polio
Type b (Hib) Meningitis
Hepatitis B
Pertussis (Whooping Cough)
Pneumococcal
Rubella (German Measles)
Varicella (Chickenpox)
Diphtheria
Tetanus (Lockjaw)
Mumps
Introduction
In the U.S., vaccines have reduced or eliminated many infectious
diseases that once routinely killed or harmed many infants, children,
and adults. However, the viruses and bacteria that cause
vaccine-preventable disease and death still exist and can be passed on
to people who are not protected by vaccines. Vaccine-preventable
diseases have many social and economic costs: sick children miss school
and can cause parents to lose time from work. These diseases also result
in doctor's visits, hospitalizations, and even premature deaths.
Polio
Stopping vaccination against polio will leave people susceptible to
infection with poliovirus. Polio causes acute paralysis that can lead to
permanent physical disability and even death. Before polio vaccine was
available, 13,000 to 20,000 cases of paralytic polio were reported each
year in the United States. Annual epidemics of polio often left
victims锟絤ostly children锟絠n braces, crutches, wheelchairs, and, in
serious cases, iron lungs. Many of the children that survived
experienced life-long consequences from the disease.
In 1988, the World Health Assembly unanimously agreed to eradicate polio
worldwide. As a result of global polio eradication efforts, the number
of cases reported globally has decreased from more than 350,000 cases in
1988 to 187 cases in 2012 (as of November 14, 2012). Only three
countries remain endemic for polio in 2012: Afghanistan, Nigeria, and
Pakistan. Stopping vaccination before eradication is achieved would
result in a resurgence of this preventable disease and threaten future
generations of children.
This section last updated November 2012.
Measles
Before measles immunization was available, nearly everyone in the U.S.
got measles. An average of 450 measles-associated deaths were reported
each year between 1953 and 1963.
In the U.S., up to 20 percent of persons with measles are hospitalized.
Seventeen percent of measles cases have had one or more complications,
such as ear infections, pneumonia, or diarrhea. Pneumonia is present in
about six percent of cases and accounts for most of the measles deaths.
Although less common, some persons with measles develop encephalitis
(swelling of the lining of the brain), resulting in brain damage.
As many as three of every 1,000 persons with measles will die in the
U.S. In the developing world, the rate is much higher, with death
occurring in about one of every 100 persons with measles.
Measles is one of the most infectious diseases in the world and is
frequently imported into the U.S. In the period 1997-2000, most cases
were associated with international visitors or U.S. residents who were
exposed to the measles virus while traveling abroad. More than 90
percent of people who are not immune will get measles if they are
exposed to the virus.
According to the World Health Organization (WHO), nearly 900,000
measles-related deaths occurred among persons in developing countries in
1999. In populations that are not immune to measles, measles spreads
rapidly. If vaccinations were stopped, each year about 2.7 million
measles deaths worldwide could be expected.
In the U.S., widespread use of measles vaccine has led to a greater than
99 percent reduction in measles compared with the pre-vaccine era. If we
stopped immunization, measles would increase to pre-vaccine levels.
Haemophilus Influenzae Type b (Hib) Meningitis
Before Hib vaccine became available, Hib was the most common cause of
bacterial meningitis in U.S. infants and children. Before the vaccine
was developed, there were approximately 20,000 invasive Hib cases
annually. Approximately two-thirds of the 20,000 cases were meningitis,
and one-third were other life-threatening invasive Hib diseases such as
bacteria in the blood, pneumonia, or inflammation of the epiglottis.
About one of every 200 U.S. children under 5 years of age got an
invasive Hib disease. Hib meningitis once killed 600 children each year
and left many survivors with deafness, seizures, or mental retardation.
Since introduction of conjugate Hib vaccine in December 1987, the
incidence of Hib has declined by 98 percent. From 1994-1998, fewer than
10 fatal cases of invasive Hib disease were reported each year.
This preventable disease was a common, devastating illness as recently
as 1990; now, most pediatricians just finishing training have never seen
a case. If we were to stop immunization, we would likely soon return to
the pre-vaccine numbers of invasive Hib disease cases and deaths.
Pertussis (Whooping Cough)
Since the early 1980s, reported pertussis cases have been increasing,
with peaks every 3-5 years; however, the number of reported cases
remains much lower than levels seen in the pre-vaccine era. Compared
with pertussis cases in other age groups, infants who are 6 months old
or younger with pertussis experience the highest rate of
hospitalization, pneumonia, seizures, encephalopathy (a degenerative
disease of the brain) and death. From 2000 through 2008, 181 persons
died from pertussis; 166 of these were less than six months old.
Before pertussis immunizations were available, nearly all children
developed whooping cough. In the U.S., prior to pertussis immunization,
between 150,000 and 260,000 cases of pertussis were reported each year,
with up to 9,000 pertussis-related deaths.
Pertussis can be a severe illness, resulting in prolonged coughing
spells that can last for many weeks. These spells can make it difficult
for a person to eat, drink, and breathe. Because vomiting often occurs
after a coughing spell, persons may lose weight and become dehydrated.
In infants, it can also cause pneumonia and lead to brain damage,
seizures, and mental retardation.
The newer pertussis vaccine (acellular or DTaP) has been available for
use in the United States since 1991 and has been recommended for
exclusive use since 1998. These vaccines are effective and associated
with fewer mild and moderate adverse reactions when compared with the
older (whole-cell DTP) vaccines.
During the 1970s, widespread concerns about the safety of the older
pertussis vaccine led to a rapid fall in immunization levels in the
United Kingdom. More than 100,000 cases and 36 deaths due to pertussis
were reported during an epidemic in the mid 1970s. In Japan, pertussis
vaccination coverage fell from 80 percent in 1974 to 20 percent in 1979.
An epidemic occurred in 1979, resulted in more than 13,000 cases and 41
deaths.
Pertussis cases occur throughout the world. If we stopped pertussis
immunizations in the U.S., we would experience a massive resurgence of
pertussis disease. A study* found that, in eight countries where
immunization coverage was reduced, incidence rates of pertussis surged
to 10 to 100 times the rates in countries where vaccination rates were
sustained.
*Reference for study: Gangarosa EJ, et al. Impact of anti-vaccine
movements on pertussis control: the untold story. Lancet
1998;351:356-61.
This section last updated August 2010.
Pneumococcal
Before pneumococcal conjugate vaccine became available for children,
pneumococcus caused 63,000 cases of invasive pneumococcal disease and
6,100 deaths in the U.S. each year. Many children who developed
pneumococcal meningitis also developed long-term complications such as
deafness or seizures. Since the vaccine was introduced, the incidence of
invasive pneumococcal disease in children has been reduced by 75%.
Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine also reduces spread of pneumococcus from
children to adults. In 2003 alone, there were 30,000 fewer cases of
invasive pneumococcal disease caused by strains included in the vaccine,
including 20,000 fewer cases in children and adults too old to receive
the vaccine. If we were to stop immunization, we would likely soon
return to the pre-vaccine numbers of invasive pneumococcal disease cases
and deaths.
This section last updated April 2007.
Rubella (German Measles)
While rubella is usually mild in children and adults, up to 90 percent
of infants born to mothers infected with rubella during the first
trimester of pregnancy will develop congenital rubella syndrome (CRS),
resulting in heart defects, cataracts, mental retardation, and deafness.
In 1964-1965, before rubella immunization was used routinely in the
U.S., there was an epidemic of rubella that resulted in an estimated
20,000 infants born with CRS, with 2,100 neonatal deaths and 11,250
miscarriages. Of the 20,000 infants born with CRS, 11,600 were deaf,
3,580 were blind, and 1,800 were mentally retarded.
Due to the widespread use of rubella vaccine, only six CRS cases were
provisionally reported in the U.S. in 2000. Because many developing
countries do not include rubella in the childhood immunization schedule,
many of these cases occurred in foreign-born adults. Since 1996, greater
than 50 percent of the reported rubella cases have been among adults.
Since 1999, there have been 40 pregnant women infected with rubella.
If we stopped rubella immunization, immunity to rubella would decline
and rubella would once again return, resulting in pregnant women
becoming infected with rubella and then giving birth to infants with
CRS.
Varicella (Chickenpox)
Prior to the licensing of the chickenpox vaccine in 1995, almost all
persons in the United States had suffered from chickenpox by adulthood.
Each year, the virus caused an estimated 4 million cases of chickenpox,
11,000 hospitalizations, and 100-150 deaths.
A highly contagious disease, chickenpox is usually mild but can be
severe in some persons. Infants, adolescents and adults, pregnant women,
and immunocompromised persons are at particular risk for serious
complications including secondary bacterial infections, loss of fluids
(dehydration), pneumonia, and central nervous system involvement. The
availability of the chickenpox vaccine and its subsequent widespread use
has had a major impact on reducing cases of chickenpox and related
morbidity, hospitalizations, and deaths. In some areas, cases have
decreased as much as 90% over prevaccination numbers.
If vaccination against chickenpox were to stop, the disease would
eventually return to prevaccination rates, with virtually all
susceptible persons becoming infected with the virus at some point in
their lives.
This section last updated June 2011.
Hepatitis B
More than 2 billion persons worldwide have been infected with the
hepatitis B virus at some time in their lives. Of these, 350 million are
life-long carriers of the disease and can transmit the virus to others.
One million of these people die each year from liver disease and liver
cancer.
National studies have shown that about 12.5 million Americans have been
infected with hepatitis B virus at some point in their lifetime. One and
one quarter million Americans are estimated to have chronic
(long-lasting) infection, of whom 20 percent to 30 percent acquired
their infection in childhood. Chronic hepatitis B virus infection
increases a person's risk for chronic liver disease, cirrhosis, and
liver cancer. About 5,000 persons will die each year from hepatitis
B-related liver disease resulting in over $700 million in medical and
work loss costs.
The number of new infections per year has declined from an average of
450,000 in the 1980s to about 80,000 in 1999. The greatest decline has
occurred among children and adolescents due to routine hepatitis B
vaccination.
Infants and children who become infected with hepatitis B virus are at
highest risk of developing lifelong infection, which often leads to
death from liver disease (cirrhosis) and liver cancer. Approximately 25
percent of children who become infected with life-long hepatitis B virus
would be expected to die of related liver disease as adults.
CDC estimates that one-third of the life-long hepatitis B virus
infections in the United States resulted from infections occurring in
infants and young children. About 16,000 - 20,000 hepatitis B antigen
infected women give birth each year in the United States. It is
estimated that 12,000 children born to hepatitis B virus infected
mothers were infected each year before implementation of infant
immunization programs. In addition, approximately 33,000 children (10
years of age and younger) of mothers who are not infected with hepatitis
B virus were infected each year before routine recommendation of
childhood hepatitis B vaccination.
Diphtheria
Diphtheria is a serious disease caused by a bacterium. This germ
produces a poisonous substance or toxin which frequently causes heart
and nerve problems. The case fatality rate is 5 percent to 10 percent,
with higher case-fatality rates (up to 20 percent) in the very young and
the elderly.
In the 1920's, diphtheria was a major cause of illness and death for
children in the U.S. In 1921, a total of 206,000 cases and 15,520 deaths
were reported. With vaccine development in 1923, new cases of diphtheria
began to fall in the U.S., until in 2001 only two cases were reported.
Although diphtheria is rare in the U.S., it appears that the bacteria
continue to get passed among people. In 1996, 10 isolates of the
bacteria were obtained from persons in an American Indian community in
South Dakota, none of whom had classic diphtheria disease. There was one
death reported in 2003 from clinical diphtheria in a 63 year old male
who had never been vaccinated.
There are high rates of susceptibility among adults. Screening tests
conducted since 1977 have shown that 41 percent to 84 percent of adults
60 and over lack protective levels of circulating antitoxin against
diphtheria.
Although diphtheria is rare in the U.S., it is still a threat.
Diphtheria is common in other parts of the world and with the increase
in international travel, diphtheria and other infectious diseases are
only a plane ride away. If we stopped immunization, the U.S. might
experience a situation similar to the Newly Independent States of the
former Soviet Union. With the breakdown of the public health services in
this area, diphtheria epidemics began in 1990, fueled primarily by
persons who were not properly vaccinated. From 1990-1999, more than
150,000 cases and 5,000 deaths were reported.
Tetanus (Lockjaw)
Tetanus is a severe, often fatal disease. The bacteria that cause
tetanus are widely distributed in soil and street dust, are found in the
waste of many animals, and are very resistant to heat and germ-killing
cleaners. From 1922-1926, there were an estimated 1,314 cases of tetanus
per year in the U.S. In the late 1940's, the tetanus vaccine was
introduced, and tetanus became a disease that was officially counted and
tracked by public health officials. In 2000, only 41 cases of tetanus
were reported in the U.S.
People who get tetanus suffer from stiffness and spasms of the muscles.
The larynx (throat) can close causing breathing and eating difficulties,
muscles spasms can cause fractures (breaks) of the spine and long bones,
and some people go into a coma, and die. Approximately 20 percent of
reported cases end in death.
Tetanus in the U.S. is primarily a disease of adults, but unvaccinated
children and infants of unvaccinated mothers are also at risk for
tetanus and neonatal tetanus, respectively. From 1995-1997, 33 percent
of reported cases of tetanus occurred among persons 60 years of age or
older and 60 percent occurred in patients greater than 40 years of age.
The National Health Interview Survey found that in 1995, only 36 percent
of adults 65 or older had received a tetanus vaccination during the
preceding 10 years.
Worldwide, tetanus in newborn infants continues to be a huge problem.
Every year tetanus kills 300,000 newborns and 30,000 birth mothers who
were not properly vaccinated. Even though the number of reported cases
is low, an increased number of tetanus cases in younger persons has been
observed recently in the U.S. among intravenous drug users, particularly
heroin users.
Tetanus is infectious, but not contagious, so unlike other
vaccine-preventable diseases, immunization by members of the community
will not protect others from the disease. Because tetanus bacteria are
widespread in the environment, tetanus can only be prevented by
immunization. If vaccination against tetanus were stopped, persons of
all ages in the U.S. would be susceptible to this serious disease.
Mumps
Before the mumps vaccine was introduced, mumps was a major cause of
deafness in children, occurring in approximately 1 in 20,000 reported
cases. Mumps is usually a mild viral disease. However, serious
complications, such as inflammation of the brain (encephalitis) can
occur rarely. Prior to mumps vaccine, mumps encephalitis was the leading
cause of viral encephalitis in the United States, but is now rarely
seen.
Serious side effects of mumps are more common among adults than
children. Swelling of the testes is the most common side effect in males
past the age of puberty, occurring in up to 37 percent of post-pubertal
males who contract mumps. An increase in miscarriages has been found
among women who develop mumps during the first trimester of pregnancy.
Before there was a vaccine against mumps, mumps was a very common
disease in U.S. children, with as many as 300,000 cases reported every
year. After vaccine licensure in 1967, reports of mumps decreased
rapidly. In 1986 and 1987, there was a resurgence of mumps with 12,848
cases reported in 1987. Since 1989, the incidence of mumps has declined,
with 266 reported cases in 2001. This recent decrease is probably due to
the fact that children have received a second dose of mumps vaccine
(part of the two-dose schedule for measles, mumps, rubella or MMR).
Studies have shown that the effectiveness of mumps vaccine ranges from
73% to 91% after 1 dose and from 79% to 95% after 2 doses and that 2
doses are more effective than 1 dose.
We can not let our guard down against mumps. A 2006 outbreak among
college students led to over 6500 cases and a 2009-10 outbreak in the
tradition-observant Jewish community in 2 states led to over 3400 cases.
Mumps is a communicable disease and while prolonged close contact among
persons my facilitate transmission, maintenance of high 2-dose MMR
vaccine coverage remains the most effective way to prevent and limit the
size of mumps outbreaks.
This section last updated July 2010.
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John H. Gohde
Apr 4, 2013, 4:23:44 PM4/4/13
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On Apr 4, 4:05 pm, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 05:40:49 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>
> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 05:40:49 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>
> >On Apr 4, 7:50 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>
> >> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Second point, it takes more than developing a vaccine, Moron! You
> >> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>
> >> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >have to consistently produce a product that is both safe and
> >> >effective.
>
> >> Well, like vaccines. Vaccines are tested in hundreds of millions of
> >> cases EACH YEAR!
>
> >I can spot a liar a mile away.
>
> Yes, John H. Gohde is a liar, a vile and rotten liar.
Nope! You need to look in the mirror for the one true liar. :)
> >> >effective.
>
> >> Well, like vaccines. Vaccines are tested in hundreds of millions of
> >> cases EACH YEAR!
>
> >I can spot a liar a mile away.
>
> Yes, John H. Gohde is a liar, a vile and rotten liar.
Happy Oyster
Apr 4, 2013, 5:28:48 PM4/4/13
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Bob Officer
Apr 5, 2013, 5:30:13 AM4/5/13
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On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 01:28:48 +0400, in misc.health.alternative, Happy
they oversee were established.
Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:23:44 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
><john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 4, 4:05 pm, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 05:40:49 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>>>
>>> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Apr 4, 7:50 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>>>
>>> >> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >Second point, it takes more than developing a vaccine, Moron! You
>>> >> >have to consistently produce a product that is both safe and
>>> >> >effective.
>>>
>>> >> Well, like vaccines. Vaccines are tested in hundreds of millions of
>>> >> cases EACH YEAR!
>>>
>>> >I can spot a liar a mile away.
>>>
>>> Yes, John H. Gohde is a liar, a vile and rotten liar.
>>
>>
>>Nope! You need to look in the mirror for the one true liar. :)
>
>John H. Gohde should not draw conclusions from himself.
john shows he doesn't understand how the special masters and the fund
>On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:23:44 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
><john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 4, 4:05 pm, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 05:40:49 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>>>
>>> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Apr 4, 7:50 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>>>
>>> >> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >Second point, it takes more than developing a vaccine, Moron! You
>>> >> >have to consistently produce a product that is both safe and
>>> >> >effective.
>>>
>>> >> Well, like vaccines. Vaccines are tested in hundreds of millions of
>>> >> cases EACH YEAR!
>>>
>>> >I can spot a liar a mile away.
>>>
>>> Yes, John H. Gohde is a liar, a vile and rotten liar.
>>
>>
>>Nope! You need to look in the mirror for the one true liar. :)
>
>John H. Gohde should not draw conclusions from himself.
they oversee were established.
John H. Gohde
Apr 5, 2013, 6:14:24 AM4/5/13
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On Apr 5, 5:30 am, Bob Officer <*.*@*.*> wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 01:28:48 +0400, in misc.health.alternative, Happy
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> Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> >On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:23:44 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 01:28:48 +0400, in misc.health.alternative, Happy
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> Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> >On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:23:44 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
> ><john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Apr 4, 4:05 pm, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 05:40:49 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>
> >>> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >On Apr 4, 7:50 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> >>> >> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>
> >>> >> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >Second point, it takes more than developing a vaccine, Moron! You
> >>> >> >have to consistently produce a product that is both safe and
> >>> >> >effective.
>
> >>> >> Well, like vaccines. Vaccines are tested in hundreds of millions of
> >>> >> cases EACH YEAR!
>
> >>> >I can spot a liar a mile away.
>
> >>> Yes, John H. Gohde is a liar, a vile and rotten liar.
>
> >>Nope! You need to look in the mirror for the one true liar. :)
>
> >John H. Gohde should not draw conclusions from himself.
>
> john shows he doesn't understand how the special masters and the fund
> they oversee were established.
>
Sounds like Bob Officer is full of crap and religious like dogma that
>
> >>On Apr 4, 4:05 pm, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 05:40:49 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>
> >>> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >On Apr 4, 7:50 am, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> >>> >> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>
> >>> >> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> >Second point, it takes more than developing a vaccine, Moron! You
> >>> >> >have to consistently produce a product that is both safe and
> >>> >> >effective.
>
> >>> >> Well, like vaccines. Vaccines are tested in hundreds of millions of
> >>> >> cases EACH YEAR!
>
> >>> >I can spot a liar a mile away.
>
> >>> Yes, John H. Gohde is a liar, a vile and rotten liar.
>
> >>Nope! You need to look in the mirror for the one true liar. :)
>
> >John H. Gohde should not draw conclusions from himself.
>
> john shows he doesn't understand how the special masters and the fund
> they oversee were established.
>
has NEVER been proved by true science to moi.
If you really believe that these vaccines are all that great then STOP
the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for their
dangerous and ineffective products. Let vaccines stand on their own
in the market place. Let the market place determine the true price
of vaccines.
My brain told me that vaccines do NOT work a long time ago. No way is
moi ever going to spend a dime of his money on your crappy vaccines.
The science is in: Vaccines are both dangerous and ineffective. My
simple vitamin regiment works a lot better, for a lot less money,
Moron!
Every lowly business competes in the market place. Every businessman
runs the risk of being sued into oblivion for selling a dangerous
product. Surely you are NOT saying that the so the so-called superior
mind is unable to do what every lowly business operator does, every
day?
Maybe it is just me, but I will ask the world: Is Bob Officer lying
through his teeth?
Woody
Apr 5, 2013, 5:16:37 PM4/5/13
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On 4/4/2013 7:50 AM, Happy Oyster wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
> <john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Second point, it takes more than developing a vaccine, Moron! You
>> have to consistently produce a product that is both safe and
>> effective.
>
> Well, like vaccines. Vaccines are tested in hundreds of millions of
> cases EACH YEAR!
'Big Bad John' Gohde can't help himself.
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
> <john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Second point, it takes more than developing a vaccine, Moron! You
>> have to consistently produce a product that is both safe and
>> effective.
>
> Well, like vaccines. Vaccines are tested in hundreds of millions of
> cases EACH YEAR!
He's a cheesehead.
--
"Well guess what, I don't care if I don't get the details right."
- carole hubbard
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John H. Gohde
Apr 6, 2013, 4:32:45 AM4/6/13
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> On Apr 5, 5:30 am, Bob Officer <*.*@*.*> wrote:
>
> Maybe it is just me, but I will ask the world: Is Bob Officer lying
> through his teeth?
YES
>
> Maybe it is just me, but I will ask the world: Is Bob Officer lying
> through his teeth?
John H. Gohde
Apr 18, 2013, 10:57:13 AM4/18/13
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http://www.autonomic-response.co.uk/science/vaccines
> Why is it that Science Psychos think that everyone else more stupid,
> then they are? Let me guess. Could it be that Science Psychos are
> either arrogant ignoramuses, or are they just Evil monsters who are
> more than willing to kill people for a nice pay check?
>
> Worldwide there are only a handful of vaccine makers. In the States,
> our stupid Federal government in exchange for political campaign
> donations pay these Evil corporations Billions of dollars to produce
> Flu vaccines, each year, while granting them immunity from ALL
> liability for producing dangerous and unsafe vaccines.
>
> The flu vaccine product is neither needed or wanted by the public.
> Witness all the nurses who are up in arms for being forced into
> unwanted vaccinations.
> own.
> Why is it that Science Psychos think that everyone else more stupid,
> either arrogant ignoramuses, or are they just Evil monsters who are
> more than willing to kill people for a nice pay check?
>
> Worldwide there are only a handful of vaccine makers. In the States,
> our stupid Federal government in exchange for political campaign
> donations pay these Evil corporations Billions of dollars to produce
> Flu vaccines, each year, while granting them immunity from ALL
> liability for producing dangerous and unsafe vaccines.
>
> The flu vaccine product is neither needed or wanted by the public.
> Witness all the nurses who are up in arms for being forced into
> unwanted vaccinations.
>
> STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
> their dangerous and ineffective product. Let vaccines stand on their
> STOP the financial subsidies. Make vaccine makers totally liable for
> own.
Reg Griswold
Apr 18, 2013, 6:32:01 PM4/18/13
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erradicated were on the decline BEFORE vaccination due to improved
sanitation and better nutrition.
See all the graphs and charts at -
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/
reg
Bob Officer
Apr 19, 2013, 12:06:19 AM4/19/13
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travel. Modern immigration policies of quarantine.
Diseases like tetanus didn't start dropping until after vaccines.
Got another falsified claim, carole? BTW, carole that was debunked
several different times in the past two years, why are you still
pushing old lies, can't you come up with new ones.
Seen them and that are debunked carole. Poor manipulation.
>reg
carole you are so pathetic is so sad.
John H. Gohde
Apr 19, 2013, 12:58:05 AM4/19/13
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Is that the best that Science Psycho Bob can come up with?
You have my condolences.
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