ESSIAC, "TEA OF LIFE"

[John H. Gohde]

Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
cure?

ESSIAC, "TEA OF LIFE"

http://tinyurl.com/yapfk4x

The History of Essiac

Essiac, the Ojibwa Tea of Life, is an herbal remedy used by the
Canadian nurse Rene Caisse to treat and successfully heal thousands of
terminally ill cancer patients (http://www.all-natural.com/
essiac.html). When Caisse was working in an Ontario hospital, she met
a lady with a badly scarred breast, who told Caisse that she had been
healed of breast cancer by an Indian friend with an herbal tea, and
then gave her the formula (http://www.all-natural.com/essiac.html).
After that, Caisse began using the formula on many patients, allowing
them to drink it or receive it through intramuscular injections (for
more serious cases ) (http://www.all-natural.com/essiac.html). These
patients testify to essiac's good effects as do many renowned doctors,
which can lead one to believe in the ability of this herbal tea.

Through the years, countless physicians have supported Caisse's herbal
remedy and Dr. Charles Brusch even made the claim that "clinically, on
patients suffering from pathologically proven cancer, it reduces pain
and causes a recession in the growth. Patients gained weight and
showed a great improvement in their general health. Their elimination
improved considerably, and their appetite became whetted. Remarkably
beneficial results were obtained even on those cases at the 'end of
the road' where it proved to prolong life and the 'quality of that
life' (http://wbj.com/sect/010-004-06-004.html)." Essiac is actually a
combination of four principle herbs-. burdock root, turkey rhubarb
root (or Indian rhubarb), sheep sorrel, and slippery elm bark (http://
www.all-natural.com/essiac.html).

Burdock has been found to produce "considerable antitumor
activity"...and reduction of cell mutation (http://www.all-natural.com/
essiac.html). It also "stimulates bile production and helps liver
functions, and is used as a tonic, blood pufifier, and cleanser
(http://ares.csd.net/%7Esandman/tealady/#Burdock)."

Turkey rhubarb root "is a laxative and astringent; it is an effective
tonic for the digestive system and acts upon the bowels, removing
debris and tightening the tissues.

Sheep sorrel is known to sharpen the appetite, assuage heat, cool the
liver, and strengthen the heart.

Slippery elm is known as a stomach remedy and wound healer; it is
healing to the mucous membrane of the entire digestive tract (http://
ares.csd.net/%7Esandman/tealady/#Burdock)."

Herbalists theorize that the synergistic interaction of herbal
ingredients is the cause for the effectiveness of essiac, "this remedy
has anticancer and antiviral properties. It eliminates the pathogens
with nontoxic virucides; repairs the liver, pancreas, and kidneys;
detoxifies the body by ridding it of metabolic wastes; increases
cellular metabolism by normalizing the blood chemistry- rebuilds the
immune system and T-cells by regulating the hormonal balance (http://
res.csd.net/%7Esandman/tealady/#Burdock)."

Caisse also noticed that essiac reduced nodular masses to a more
normal tissue, while simultaneously lessening the pain (http://www.all-
natural.com/essiac.html). Patients reported that the tumor would
enlarge and harden, then start to soften and discharge large amounts
of pus and fleshy material, and finally the tumor would disappear
(http://www.all-natural.com/essiac.html). Caisse believed that "one of
the herbs in essiac reduced tumor growth, and that the other herbs
acted as blood purifiers, carrying away destroyed tissue as well as
infections thrown off by the malignancy (http://www.all-natural.com/
essiac.html)." She even believed that if the tumor did not disappear,
it could be surgically removed with less risk of metastases resulting
in new outbreaks (http://www.all-natural.com/essiac.html).

Many claims have been made as to the effectiveness of the essiac
treatment, most coming from renowned physicians and patients who were
treated and now contend that they are cured. In 1926, eight doctors
sent a petition to the Department of National Health and Welfare in
Ottawa, pushing Caisse's cause, "we believe the treatment for cancer
by Rene Caisse can do no harm, and that it relieves pain, will reduce
enlargement and prolong life in hopeless cases. To the best of our
knowledge she has not been given a case to treat until every thing
else has been tried without effect, and even then she is able to show
remarkably beneficial results (http://www.iinet.au/%7Eessiac/7hm-
makr.html)."

When Dr. Brusch, a revered doctor, was asked about essiac, he
responded, "essiac has tremendous merit to supplement any therapy a
cancer patient may be using. I can't call it a cure, but it definitely
has had and still has important merit. I regard it as essential to
back any other therapy (http://www.iinet.au/%7Eessiac/7hm-makr.html)."

Dr. Emma Carson, a Los Angeles physician wrote, "several prominent
physicians and surgeons who are quite familiar with the indisputable
results obtained in response to 'Essiac treatment' for cancer is the
most humane, satisfactory and frequently successful remedy for the
annihilation of cancer that they had found at that time (http://
www.iinet.au/%7Eessiac/7hm-makr.html)."

Essiac's effectiveness has been affirmed by Caisse, many doctors, and
thousands of patients who were submitted to the treatment. Caisse
spoke from the first-hand results she saw after treating thousands of
patients, some of which were members of her family (http://www.all-
natural.com/essiac.html).

In 1924, Caisse's aunt Mzera Potvin was found to have cancer of the
stomach and told she had only half a year to live. Rene gave the
essiac treatment to her aunt, who went on to live 21 years (http://
www.all-natural.com/essiac.html). Caisse's mother was also diagnosed
with cancer and told that she had only days to live, Caisse gave her
daily injections and she lived another 18 years before losing her life
from heart disease (http://www.all-natural.com/essiac.html).

There are also many testimonials given by patients who were treated
with the herbal tea. J. Smith, an 80 year old man, came to see Caisse
with a hemorrhaging growth on his face, and within 24 hours of
treatment, the bleeding had stopped (http:/www.iinet.net.au/%7Eessiac/
7hm-makr.html). After more treatments, the growth was noticeably
smaller and the hole in his chin started to heal.

Another essiac patient was Tony Baziuk who had lip cancer, and had
received radium treatment, his lip was so enlarged that he could see
it over his nose- he noticed instant relief, and six months later he
had returned to work (http:/www.iinet.net.au/%7Eessiac/7hm-makr.html).

Annie Bonnar, diagnosed with cancer of the uterus and bowel, was also
a patient of Caisse's and testifies to essiac's effectiveness. After
radium treatments, her cancer had spread so much that her arm was
twice its original size and actually black. She had lost a
considerable amount of weight, going from 150 to 90 pounds. After 4
months of treatment, her arm was its regular size and she had gained
all of the weight back.

Dr. W. C. Arnold was so astounded by Caisse's reports that he urged
her to continue her experiments with mice; after they were injected
with human cancer, they responded to essiac injections by living
longer, and having regression of the tumors (http://www.all-
natural.com/essiac.html).

Dr. Carson summed it up when she said, "really the progress obtainable
and the actual results from 'Essiac' treatments and the rapidity of
repair was absolutely marvelous and must be seen to convincingly
confirm belief (http://www.all-natural.com/essiac.html).

DRUGS AND CANCER

Every year, about one million Americans are diagnosed with cancer,
which explains why doctors continue to search for a cure. As of now, a
wide variety of effective treatments are used to combat cancerous
tumors, including surgical removal, radiation, chemotherapy, hormonal
therapy, and immunotherapy. Unfortunately, these treatments are so
strong that they cause many negative side effects such as hair loss,
sterility, nausea, vomiting, fatigue, and diarrhea. These side effects
explain why many people search for alternative cures, such as drugs,
in hopes that they will not have to endure these painful experiences.
Sadly, it seems that most forms of cancer are not curable with drugs.
However, there have been significant advancements using drugs for
adjuvant chemotherapy of breast cancer and colon cancer, but with few
exceptions the tumors that makeup most malignancies in adults (tumors
of the lung, breast, prostate, and colon) respond only temporarily to
existing drugs, and must be accompanied by some form of removal
(Rosenberg, 1992).

NEGATIVE SIDE EFFECTS

Because cancer is so difficult to terminate, two or more approaches
must often be used. For example, one treatment for breast cancer is a
lumpectomy, or the removal of the tumor without removing the breast.
However, even after that procedure adjuvant chemotherapy is
recommended. Often times this is accompanied by serious side-effects,
which are characterized by severe nausea and vomiting resulting in
hospitalization (Ingle, 1990). However, anxiety about these side
effects could make the situation worse than it really is, as many
studies have proven that several patients experience anticipatory
symptoms (Andrykowski & Gregg, 1992). If left untreated, these
psychological reactions may last as long as three months (Redd,
Silberfarb, Anderson, et al., 1991). There is also proof that patients
develop nausea because of hospital stimuli years after their treatment
is finished (Cella, Pratt, & Holland, 1986).

TREATMENT FOR SIDE EFFECTS

Many studies have shown that behavioral interventions help to reduce
the negative side effects of cancer. For example, Redd & Andrykwoski
(1982) demonstrated that behavioral interventions can help control the
nausea and vomiting that are commonly associated with chemotherapy.
Positive attitudes also seem to be useful in the treatment of cancer,
as shown by Fox (1989) in his report that said depression may lower
immune function. So, avoiding depression could strengthen immunity and
aid in recovery from cancer. A significant study relating to this
topic involved 86 women with metastatic breast cancer, who were
followed over time. The women were randomly assigned to a group either
receiving or not receiving social support, which consisted of weekly
90-minute group therapy sessions, lead by women who had recovered from
breast cancer. The patients in the support groups survived an average
of 36.6 months, whereas those in the other group survived an average
of 18.9 months (Spiegel, Bloom, Kraemer, & Gottheil, 1989).

[John H. Gohde]

> Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer

> cure.

The original formula for Essiac Tea came from Crow Fontaine, a
Midewiiwin healer of the Ojibwe tribe of the Saageen Ojibwe reserve.

Here is the precise recipe.

6 handfuls of the plant Sheep sorrel,
1 handful of Rhubarb root,
1 handful of Burdock root,
1 handful of Elm bark

Now, boil in one gallon of water and use half a glass a day.

> essiac treatment to her aunt, who went on to live 21 years (http://www.all-natural.com/essiac.html). Caisse's mother was also diagnosed

Of course, any study of the Essiac cancer cure by conventional
medicine should have been conducted back in the 1940s, when there were
still plenty of cured patients walking around living a full life.

Funny how the scientific establishment when they had an effective
cancer cure in their mitts were too dumb to know what to do with it?

[John H. Gohde]

The primary reference http://www.all-natural.com/essiac.html which
returns a NOT Found error through Web Research Magic can be viewed at:

http://tinyurl.com/d2on5n5

Of course, any study of the Essiac cancer cure by conventional
medicine should have been conducted back in the 1940s, when there were
still plenty of cured patients walking around living a full life.

Funny how the scientific establishment when they had an effective
cancer cure in their mitts were too dumb to know what to do with it?

Or should I say, Science Psychos are too hostile and money driven to
have a lick of sense?

[John H. Gohde]

Why?

Quoting the article at: http://tinyurl.com/d2on5n5

"Sloan-Kettering tested one of the herbs in Essiac, sheep sorrel,
between 1973 and 1976. Caisse sent a quantity of the herb to Sloan-
Kettering along with detailed instructions on how to prepare it as an
injectable solution. On June 10, 1975, Dr. Chester Stock, a Sloan-
Kettering vice-president, wrote to Caisse: "Enclosed are test data in
two experiments indicating some regressions in sarcoma in 180 of mice
treated with Essiac." Despite these promising results, the tests
ground to a halt when Caisse was horrified to learn that instead of
boiling the herb, as she had instructed, the scientists were freezing
it."

There are so many ways that Science Psychos can screw up the simplest
of tasks that trying to test this cancer cure today would be
absolutely laughable. All you have to do look at the published
research on vitamin E.

The biased research that Science Psychos publish is totally rigged,
falsified, and screwed-up in so many different ways that it is truly
shocking and moronic.

Just my opinion, but moi is ALWAYS right. :)

[John H. Gohde]

Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer

cure.

Essiac, "Tea of Life"

> essiac treatment to her aunt, who went on to live 21 years (http://www.all-natural.com/essiac.html). Caisse's mother was also diagnosed

[Emily]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
<john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
>cure?
>
>ESSIAC, "TEA OF LIFE"
>
>http://tinyurl.com/yapfk4x
>
>The History of Essiac
>

Good post.

ESSIAC is just one of many, some reports say over 300, alternative
remedies which have been suppressed by corporate pharmaceutical
interests over the years.

Suppression of dissent in science
Brian Martin / Research in Social Problems and Public Policy, Volume 7
1999
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Suppression-Dissent-Science.htm
Abstract
"There are numerous documented cases of attacks on dissident
scientists, yet there is no established body of literature or standard
theoretical frameworks for dealing with this phenomenon. Cases in
three contentious areas�pesticides, fluoridation, and nuclear
power�are used to illustrate processes and patterns of suppression.
The evidence in these areas shows the possibilities and difficulties
in drawing links between suppression and corporate, professional, and
state power, respectively. Studies of suppression can provide a
convenient probe into the exercise of power in science and more
generally into the dynamics of expertise and legitimacy in a
technological society."


Not only suppression of cures but also inventions in energy and
transport amongst other things.

Emily

"The promise of new energy" - Dr Stephen Greer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FEyV_-NGyk

[John H. Gohde]

On May 1, 4:32 pm, Emily <*.@.*> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>

> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
> >cure?
>
> >ESSIAC, "TEA OF LIFE"
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/yapfk4x
>
> >The History of Essiac
>
> Good post.
>
> ESSIAC is just one of many, some reports say over 300, alternative
> remedies which have been suppressed by corporate pharmaceutical
> interests over the years.
>
> Suppression of dissent in science
> Brian Martin / Research in Social Problems and Public Policy, Volume 7

> 1999http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Suppression-Dissent-Science.htm

> Abstract
> "There are numerous documented cases of attacks on dissident
> scientists, yet there is no established body of literature or standard
> theoretical frameworks for dealing with this phenomenon. Cases in
> three contentious areas–pesticides, fluoridation, and nuclear
> power–are used to illustrate processes and patterns of suppression.
> The evidence in these areas shows the possibilities and difficulties
> in drawing links between suppression and corporate, professional, and
> state power, respectively. Studies of suppression can provide a
> convenient probe into the exercise of power in science and more
> generally into the dynamics of expertise and legitimacy in a
> technological society."
>
> Not only suppression of cures but also inventions in energy and
> transport amongst other things.
>
> Emily
>
> "The promise of new energy" - Dr Stephen Greerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FEyV_-NGyk

Thanks!

[Peter Bowditch]

Emily <*.@.*> wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
><john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
>>cure?
>>
>>ESSIAC, "TEA OF LIFE"
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/yapfk4x
>>
>>The History of Essiac
>>
>
>
>Good post.
>
>ESSIAC is just one of many, some reports say over 300, alternative
>remedies which have been suppressed by corporate pharmaceutical
>interests over the years.

It's so suppressed that all Google can say is "About 1,080,000 results
(0.10 seconds)"

>
>Suppression of dissent in science
>Brian Martin / Research in Social Problems and Public Policy, Volume 7
>1999
>http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Suppression-Dissent-Science.htm
>Abstract
>"There are numerous documented cases of attacks on dissident
>scientists, yet there is no established body of literature or standard
>theoretical frameworks for dealing with this phenomenon. Cases in
>three contentious areas�pesticides, fluoridation, and nuclear
>power�are used to illustrate processes and patterns of suppression.
>The evidence in these areas shows the possibilities and difficulties
>in drawing links between suppression and corporate, professional, and
>state power, respectively. Studies of suppression can provide a
>convenient probe into the exercise of power in science and more
>generally into the dynamics of expertise and legitimacy in a
>technological society."

One of the highlights of last Friday's court appearance was the
magistrate refusing to accept a paper by Professor Martin as evidence.

>
>
>Not only suppression of cures but also inventions in energy and
>transport amongst other things.
>
>Emily
>
>"The promise of new energy" - Dr Stephen Greer
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FEyV_-NGyk

Perpetual motion. It's called that because the bullshit never stops.

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Blog at http://peterbowditch.com/wp/
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
I'm @RatbagsDotCom on Twitter

[Emily]

What's new though - many new inventions and health treatments are
talked down by mainstream bureacracy, bought up and shelved, had
national security labels slapped onto them, inventors threatened, put
out of business under various guises, ridiculed, rubbished and treated
as garbage - yet many of these things work.

So all you prove is how corrupt and manipulated the system is -
nothing more.

And we do know that whistleblowers are treated badly and usually
sacked for their efforts to expose corruption.

>
>>
>>
>>Not only suppression of cures but also inventions in energy and
>>transport amongst other things.
>>
>>Emily
>>
>>"The promise of new energy" - Dr Stephen Greer
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FEyV_-NGyk
>
>Perpetual motion. It's called that because the bullshit never stops.

Emily

[Bob Officer]

On Thu, 02 May 2013 09:11:49 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, Peter
Bowditch <myfir...@ratbags.com> wrote:

>Emily <*.@.*> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>><john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
>>>cure?
>>>
>>>ESSIAC, "TEA OF LIFE"
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/yapfk4x
>>>
>>>The History of Essiac
>>>
>>
>>
>>Good post.
>>
>>ESSIAC is just one of many, some reports say over 300, alternative
>>remedies which have been suppressed by corporate pharmaceutical
>>interests over the years.
>
>It's so suppressed that all Google can say is "About 1,080,000 results
>(0.10 seconds)"

The problem is that the Essiac just doesn't work. The actual opposite
was observed in one study and the cancers in vitro actually grew
faster and the controls.

>>Suppression of dissent in science
>>Brian Martin / Research in Social Problems and Public Policy, Volume 7
>>1999
>>http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Suppression-Dissent-Science.htm
>>Abstract
>>"There are numerous documented cases of attacks on dissident
>>scientists, yet there is no established body of literature or standard
>>theoretical frameworks for dealing with this phenomenon. Cases in
>>three contentious areas�pesticides, fluoridation, and nuclear
>>power�are used to illustrate processes and patterns of suppression.
>>The evidence in these areas shows the possibilities and difficulties
>>in drawing links between suppression and corporate, professional, and
>>state power, respectively. Studies of suppression can provide a
>>convenient probe into the exercise of power in science and more
>>generally into the dynamics of expertise and legitimacy in a
>>technological society."
>
>One of the highlights of last Friday's court appearance was the
>magistrate refusing to accept a paper by Professor Martin as evidence.

The abstract is one which sounds like the article is mostly a giant
hoc fallacy.

Science when faced with rejection is not suppression, it is a usually
based on a lack of data or evidence. Many so called so called
"dissident scientists" are nothing more than crackpots working
outside their field of expertise, usually with no supporting data or

evidence.


>>Not only suppression of cures but also inventions in energy and
>>transport amongst other things.
>>
>>Emily
>>
>>"The promise of new energy" - Dr Stephen Greer
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FEyV_-NGyk
>
>Perpetual motion. It's called that because the bullshit never stops.

Yep...
--
Bob Officer
"Whoops .... now where did I put that other braincell?
It make it very hard to work things out.

Oh, I'll check up my arse ...get back to ya."
carole hubbard in Message-ID: <f3b680d9-da69-4c7e...@y5g2000pbi.googlegroups.com>

[Bob Officer]

No, they don't work.

>So all you prove is how corrupt and manipulated the system is -
>nothing more.

So you say, carole. How is that addition problem working out for you.
have you actually added 2+2 and had a valid answer of 3 or 5?

>And we do know that whistleblowers are treated badly and usually
>sacked for their efforts to expose corruption.

Actually very few true whistleblowers are sacked because they are
whistleblowers. The truth is usually they are poor and non-prefoming
employees which turn whistleblowers, only as an act of revenge. The
current laws protect whistleblowers if they act before the discipline
starts.

>>>Not only suppression of cures but also inventions in energy and
>>>transport amongst other things.
>>>
>>>Emily
>>>
>>>"The promise of new energy" - Dr Stephen Greer
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FEyV_-NGyk
>>
>>Perpetual motion. It's called that because the bullshit never stops.
>
>Emily

nice that you misspelled the sock's name the 1st time around, carole.
emaily?

[John H. Gohde]

YOUR spiel sounds mostly like a load of crap, or should I say sour
grapes?

[Woody]

On 5/1/2013 4:32 PM, Emily aka new sock of carole hubbard wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
> <john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
>> cure?

Actually, it's a webpage produced and maintained by David Schlundt,
Ph.D., an Associate Professor of Psychology at Vanderbilt University.

He maintains the "Health Psychology Home Page" that has a listing with
links to papers written by students. The paper entitled "Essiac - Tree
of Life?" was written by Samantha Kidwell back in December 1996,
probably to fulfill a requirement for an undergrad psych course.

http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/index.htm

If Essiac had any real value, why wouldn't it appear on a webpage
maintained by the Medical School at Vanderbilt?

ANSWER: It doesn't because Essiac doesn't work.

https://medschool.vanderbilt.edu/

>> ESSIAC, "TEA OF LIFE" http://tinyurl.com/yapfk4x The History of
>> Essiac
>
> Good post.

It sucks, as usual.
Whenever carole hubbard endorses anything, you know it's garbage.

> ESSIAC is just one of many, some reports say over 300, alternative
> remedies which have been suppressed by corporate pharmaceutical
> interests over the years.

The only thing suppressed is carole's ability to think critically.
She likes to regurgitate nonsense because it fits her politics.

carole hubbard <--- the Lunatic from Down Under (LfDU)


--
"Dieticians say we get enough sodium in our diets because
sodium chloride is added to all our foods. But I don't think
this is correct because (1) it only comprises 1 of the 3
necessary forms of sodium, and (2) its not organic so its
no good as a nutritional element." - carole hubbard
Message-ID: <441051a5$0$14508$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>

[John H. Gohde]

On May 2, 6:18 am, Woody <wo...@woodworks-nospam.com> wrote:
> On 5/1/2013 4:32 PM, Emily aka new sock of carole hubbard wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
> > <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
> >> cure?
>
> Actually, it's a webpage produced and maintained by David Schlundt,
> Ph.D., an Associate Professor of Psychology at Vanderbilt University.
>
> He maintains the "Health Psychology Home Page" that has a listing with
> links to papers written by students. The paper entitled "Essiac - Tree
> of Life?" was written by Samantha Kidwell back in December 1996,
> probably to fulfill a requirement for an undergrad psych course.
>
> http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/index.htm
>
> If Essiac had any real value, why wouldn't it appear on a webpage
> maintained by the Medical School at Vanderbilt?
>
> ANSWER: It doesn't because Essiac doesn't work.

Bull!

The URL resolves to Vanderbilt.

YOU do NOT speak for Vanderbilt.

Bye Bye, over reaching ass. :)

[Bob Officer]

On Thu, 02 May 2013 06:18:04 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Woody
<wo...@woodworks-nospam.com> wrote:

>On 5/1/2013 4:32 PM, Emily aka new sock of carole hubbard wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
>> <john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
>>> cure?
>
>Actually, it's a webpage produced and maintained by David Schlundt,
>Ph.D., an Associate Professor of Psychology at Vanderbilt University.
>
>He maintains the "Health Psychology Home Page" that has a listing with
>links to papers written by students. The paper entitled "Essiac - Tree
>of Life?" was written by Samantha Kidwell back in December 1996,
>probably to fulfill a requirement for an undergrad psych course.
>
>http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/index.htm
>
>If Essiac had any real value, why wouldn't it appear on a webpage
>maintained by the Medical School at Vanderbilt?

One would think so. It is amazing Carole and other often use
citations and web pages which researching the providence of the
works.

>
>ANSWER: It doesn't because Essiac doesn't work.
>
>https://medschool.vanderbilt.edu/

Exactly.

>
>>> ESSIAC, "TEA OF LIFE" http://tinyurl.com/yapfk4x The History of
>>> Essiac
>>
>> Good post.
>
>It sucks, as usual.
>Whenever carole hubbard endorses anything, you know it's garbage.
>
>
>> ESSIAC is just one of many, some reports say over 300, alternative
>> remedies which have been suppressed by corporate pharmaceutical
>> interests over the years.
>
>The only thing suppressed is carole's ability to think critically.
>She likes to regurgitate nonsense because it fits her politics.
>
>carole hubbard <--- the Lunatic from Down Under (LfDU)

before one decides what is and isn't part of a big picture, one
should have foundation built upon the basics. Math, chemistry,
physics, biology, anatomy and physiology. If you lack the basic
understanding, you will never build a "big picture" which makes
sense.

[John H. Gohde]

On May 2, 9:22 am, Bob Officer <*.*@*.*> wrote:
> On Thu, 02 May 2013 06:18:04 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Woody
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> >On 5/1/2013 4:32 PM, Emily aka new sock of carole hubbard wrote:
> >> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> >>> Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
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> >Actually, it's a webpage produced and maintained by David Schlundt,
> >Ph.D., an Associate Professor of Psychology at Vanderbilt University.
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> >He maintains the "Health Psychology Home Page" that has a listing with
> >links to papers written by students. The paper entitled "Essiac - Tree
> >of Life?" was written by Samantha Kidwell back in December 1996,
> >probably to fulfill a requirement for an undergrad psych course.
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> >http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/index.htm
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> >If Essiac had any real value, why wouldn't it appear on a webpage
> >maintained by the Medical School at Vanderbilt?
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> One would think so. It is amazing Carole and other often use
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> >ANSWER: It doesn't because Essiac doesn't work.
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> >>> ESSIAC, "TEA OF LIFE"http://tinyurl.com/yapfk4xThe History of

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> >Whenever carole hubbard endorses anything, you know it's garbage.
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> >> ESSIAC is just one of many, some reports say over 300, alternative
> >> remedies which have been suppressed by corporate pharmaceutical
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> >The only thing suppressed is carole's ability to think critically.
> >She likes to regurgitate nonsense because it fits her politics.
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> >carole hubbard <--- the Lunatic from Down Under (LfDU)
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> before one decides what is and isn't part of a big picture, one
> should have foundation built upon the basics. Math, chemistry,
> physics, biology, anatomy and physiology. If you lack the basic
> understanding, you will never build a "big picture" which makes
> sense.

Who asked YOU? Certainly NOT

[John H. Gohde]

On May 2, 9:22 am, Bob Officer <*.*@*.*> wrote:

> On Thu, 02 May 2013 06:18:04 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Woody
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> >On 5/1/2013 4:32 PM, Emily aka new sock of carole hubbard wrote:
> >> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> >>> Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
> >>> cure?
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> >Actually, it's a webpage produced and maintained by David Schlundt,
> >Ph.D., an Associate Professor of Psychology at Vanderbilt University.
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> >He maintains the "Health Psychology Home Page" that has a listing with
> >links to papers written by students. The paper entitled "Essiac - Tree
> >of Life?" was written by Samantha Kidwell back in December 1996,
> >probably to fulfill a requirement for an undergrad psych course.
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> >http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/index.htm
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> >If Essiac had any real value, why wouldn't it appear on a webpage
> >maintained by the Medical School at Vanderbilt?
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> works.
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> >>> ESSIAC, "TEA OF LIFE"http://tinyurl.com/yapfk4xThe History of

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> >Whenever carole hubbard endorses anything, you know it's garbage.
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> >> ESSIAC is just one of many, some reports say over 300, alternative
> >> remedies which have been suppressed by corporate pharmaceutical
> >> interests over the years.
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> >The only thing suppressed is carole's ability to think critically.
> >She likes to regurgitate nonsense because it fits her politics.
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> >carole hubbard <--- the Lunatic from Down Under (LfDU)
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> before one decides what is and isn't part of a big picture, one
> should have foundation built upon the basics. Math, chemistry,
> physics, biology, anatomy and physiology. If you lack the basic
> understanding, you will never build a "big picture" which makes
> sense.

Who asked YOU? Certainly NOT moi.

YOUR spiel sounds mostly like a load of crap, or should I say sour
grapes?

Science Psychos are unable to do the simplest tasks!

[John H. Gohde]

On May 2, 9:22 am, Bob Officer <*.*@*.*> wrote:

> On Thu, 02 May 2013 06:18:04 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, Woody
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> >On 5/1/2013 4:32 PM, Emily aka new sock of carole hubbard wrote:
> >> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
> >> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
> >>> cure?
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> >Actually, it's a webpage produced and maintained by David Schlundt,
> >Ph.D., an Associate Professor of Psychology at Vanderbilt University.
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> >He maintains the "Health Psychology Home Page" that has a listing with
> >links to papers written by students. The paper entitled "Essiac - Tree
> >of Life?" was written by Samantha Kidwell back in December 1996,
> >probably to fulfill a requirement for an undergrad psych course.
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> >http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/index.htm
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> >If Essiac had any real value, why wouldn't it appear on a webpage
> >maintained by the Medical School at Vanderbilt?
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> One would think so. It is amazing Carole and other often use
> citations and web pages which researching the providence of the
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> >ANSWER: It doesn't because Essiac doesn't work.
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> >https://medschool.vanderbilt.edu/
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> Exactly.

ROFLOL

Little Peter was kind enough to illustrate why the spiel spewed out by
the Science Psychos on these ngs is total Bull.

Alternative cancer remedies are required by these critics to work 100%
ALL the time while the surgery, chemo, and radiation therapy of
conventional medicine does NOT have to. While these people love to
dance around the real issues, their crappy so called cure of surgery,
chemo, and radiation therapy works at best perhaps ONLY 01.00 Percent
of the time. Now, add to their horrible cure rate the the little
detail that they consider surviving for five years as a cure, even if
their victims drop dead the very next day.

ROFLOL Conventional medicine doesn't work. It is about time that
Little Peter finally admitted it.

Compared to the dismal track record of surgery, chemo, and radiation
therapy; Essiac works just fine. :)

Who says so? I do. :)

[Woody]

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Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 06:08:59 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: ESSIAC, "TEA OF LIFE"

On May 2 6:08 am John H. Gohde the Toothless Wonder wrote:

> On May 2, 6:18 am, Woody wrote:

>> If Essiac had any real value, why wouldn't it appear on a webpage
>> maintained by the Medical School at Vanderbilt?

>> ANSWER: It doesn't because Essiac doesn't work.

> Bull! The URL resolves to Vanderbilt.

Bull is the substance between your ears, John.

David Schlundt works as an Associate Professor of Psychology at
Vanderbilt and posted links to papers written by undergraduate students.
No way the content of the links he posted represent the opinions
or endorsements of Vanderbilt University.

"The opinions expressed are the opinions of the student. They do not
reflect the position of Dr. Schlundt or of Vanderbilt University."
http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/about_this_page.htm

> YOU do NOT speak for Vanderbilt.

I don't have to.

The link on Schlundt's web page to the paper on Essiac, written by
undergrad student Samantha Kidwell back in December 1996, speaks for
itself. It doesn't speak for Schlundt or Vanderbilt as an institution.

> Bye Bye, over reaching ass. :)

Have you sold those Deep Fryers from Colonel Sanders yet?

What's keeping you from doing so?

Oh that's right. You're an idiot, just like carole hubbard.

[John H. Gohde]

On May 3, 7:27 am, Woody <wo...@woodworks-nospam.com> wrote:
> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, sci.med, sci.med.nutrition,
> talk.politics.medicine, sci.life-extension

> From: "John H. Gohde" <john.h.go...@gmail.com>
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IE 8 is slow, but Google Chrome Frame is faster.

The time limit for responding to My Reply to YOUR post on this THREAD
has obviously expired.

Go back to your coma, Science Psycho.

Read what I had posted, again. It is shocking just how stupid YOU
truly are, Psycho!

HTML5 is more important than YOUR Bull. :)

[John H. Gohde]

On May 1, 4:32 pm, Emily <*.@.*> wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
> >cure?
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> >ESSIAC, "TEA OF LIFE"
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> >http://tinyurl.com/yapfk4x
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> >The History of Essiac
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> Good post.
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> ESSIAC is just one of many, some reports say over 300, alternative
> remedies which have been suppressed by corporate pharmaceutical
> interests over the years.
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> Suppression of dissent in science
> Brian Martin / Research in Social Problems and Public Policy, Volume 7

> 1999http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Suppression-Dissent-Science.htm

> Abstract
> "There are numerous documented cases of attacks on dissident
> scientists, yet there is no established body of literature or standard
> theoretical frameworks for dealing with this phenomenon. Cases in
> three contentious areas–pesticides, fluoridation, and nuclear
> power–are used to illustrate processes and patterns of suppression.
> The evidence in these areas shows the possibilities and difficulties
> in drawing links between suppression and corporate, professional, and
> state power, respectively. Studies of suppression can provide a
> convenient probe into the exercise of power in science and more
> generally into the dynamics of expertise and legitimacy in a
> technological society."
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> Not only suppression of cures but also inventions in energy and
> transport amongst other things.
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> Emily
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> "The promise of new energy" - Dr Stephen Greerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FEyV_-NGyk

Ditto!

[Happy Oyster]

On Wed, 1 May 2013 02:41:44 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
<john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
>cure.
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>Essiac, "Tea of Life"

That is plain idiocy and dangerous bullshit.
--

Crowd-funding is for money, crowd-publishing is for mankind.

http://www.supermanpost.com/

[John H. Gohde]

On May 5, 8:53 pm, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2013 02:41:44 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
> >cure.
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> >Essiac, "Tea of Life"
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> That is plain idiocy and dangerous bullshit.

[Emily]

I think the real issue is that there is certain propaganda put out
against any remedy that might interfere with pharmaceutical profits.
ESSIAC is one such remedy that has helped people in a lot of cases -
maybe not every case, but a lot of cases.

So what the pharmaceutical business does, is fund people for producing
studies that show ESSIAC doesn't work. Same as they put out propaganda
to say that vitamins and minerals don't improve health beyond what is
found in the average diet. They don't want anybody to use nutrition to
improve their health because they like people to get sick and go to
their friendly local doctor and get prescribed drugs.

Its very simple really. The pharmaceutical business spends more on
propaganda and marketing than they do on research.

Bob should have worked this out by now ...but it appears he is very
slow in some areas but not so slow in others ie attacking any idea
that favours alternative medicine.


Emily

[clark]

Nicely observed John. Good to see somebody telling it like it is.

Keep up the good work.


Clark

[Bob Officer]

On Tue, 07 May 2013 01:04:20 +1000, in misc.health.alternative, Emily

The issue is you don't know what you are talking about, Carole.

IT has been tested and found not to be an anti cancer agent at all.
in one well designed test it was shown to make the cancers grow
faster.

>So what the pharmaceutical business does, is fund people for producing
>studies that show ESSIAC doesn't work. Same as they put out propaganda
>to say that vitamins and minerals don't improve health beyond what is
>found in the average diet. They don't want anybody to use nutrition to
>improve their health because they like people to get sick and go to
>their friendly local doctor and get prescribed drugs.

Post hoc fallacy.

>Its very simple really. The pharmaceutical business spends more on
>propaganda and marketing than they do on research.

No it doesn't

>Bob should have worked this out by now ...but it appears he is very
>slow in some areas but not so slow in others ie attacking any idea
>that favours alternative medicine.

Carole or what ever sock she is using still uses the same phrasing,
fallacies and poor critical thinking.

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>Emily
you mean carole, don't you. Are you going to be seen as a overt liar
now?

[Peter Bowditch]

The only people it has helped are the people selling it.

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>So what the pharmaceutical business does, is fund people for producing
>studies that show ESSIAC doesn't work. Same as they put out propaganda
>to say that vitamins and minerals don't improve health beyond what is
>found in the average diet. They don't want anybody to use nutrition to
>improve their health because they like people to get sick and go to
>their friendly local doctor and get prescribed drugs.

Carole, it has been pointed out to you many times that Big Pharma
makes and sells vitamins. In fact they are the largest manufacturers
of vitamins and supplements on the planet. As for supplements, you
have also been repeatedly told that the company promoting cellsalts is
owned by Roche.

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>Its very simple really. The pharmaceutical business spends more on
>propaganda and marketing than they do on research.

As does the snake oil industry, which spends almost nothing on

research.

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>Bob should have worked this out by now ...but it appears he is very
>slow in some areas but not so slow in others ie attacking any idea
>that favours alternative medicine.
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>Emily

[John H. Gohde]

Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
cure?

ESSIAC, "TEA OF LIFE"

http://tinyurl.com/yapfk4x

The History of Essiac

[Clayton]

Good point John.

This is something that the allopaths overlook time and time again.
Where are the RCTs that show chemo works? Oh, but wait there are none.
When the chemo is tested all they do is compare one chemo drug to
another, so if a chemo drug works .01% and the next one works .02%
then it is considered a rip roaring success.

Note the hypocrasy involved.

Clayton

[Bob Officer]

Really carole? Essiac seems the speed the growth rate of cancers, not
slow or stop them. (the studying showing this was posted several
times, but then you never follow links because you believe you know
everything already.




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Bob Officer
Carole Hubbard stuns the world showing her belief that 2+2 = 3 or 5 says to me
"And one day they might find a cause for your lack of cognitive ability in
putting 2+2 together and coming up with 4 instead of 3 or 5."
in Message-ID:
<f61b82a3-85de-43b2...@p7g2000prb.googlegroups.com>

[John H. Gohde]

Sorry, but I have just proved that Bob and his lying ilk are full of
Bull.

Go lie to a fool. YOUR Science gig is up. :)

[John H. Gohde]

Worth Repeating ...

Alternative cancer remedies are required by these Science Psycho

critics to work 100% ALL the time; while the surgery, chemo, and
radiation therapy of conventional medicine does NOT have to.

While these people love to dance around the real issues, their crappy
so called cure of surgery, chemo, and radiation therapy works at best

perhaps ONLY one percent of the time. Now, add to their horrible cure

rate the the little detail that they consider surviving for five years
as a cure, even if their victims drop dead the very next day.

ROFLOL Conventional medicine doesn't work. It is about time that

these science liars finally admitted it.

[Happy Oyster]

On Mon, 6 May 2013 02:52:03 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
<john.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 5, 8:53�pm, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 May 2013 02:41:44 -0700 (PDT), "John H. Gohde"
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>> <john.h.go...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Read what Vanderbilt University has to say about the Essiac cancer
>> >cure.
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>> >Essiac, "Tea of Life"
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>> That is plain idiocy and dangerous bullshit.
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>IE 8 is slow, but Google Chrome Frame is faster.

And both are utmost shit.

[John H. Gohde]

Worth Repeating ...

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"Alternative cancer remedies are required by these Science Psycho
critics to work 100% ALL the time; while the surgery, chemo, and
radiation therapy of conventional medicine does NOT have to."

Nope.

[Happy Oyster]

Which makes John H. Gohde once more a damned stupid liar and a danger to
the public.

[John H. Gohde]

Hello Troll:

Why are YOU so Evil? Are you trying out for the role of Dr. Evil?

[Happy Oyster]

John H. Gohde tries to evade. No chance!

[John H. Gohde]

I am waiting for an ANSWER, fool!