Interview with NT Comic Book Author Alan Grant
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Famous comic-book author Alan Grant recently spoke with
GS Kraft (http://www.gocomics.com) about the new
Neo-Tech influenced comic book titled: "Anarky".
The full interview is online at:
http://www.gocomics.com/alangrant.htm
below is a quote from the interview:
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Alan Grant Interview: Famous Comic Book Writer & Zon
"Holy Penis Collapsor Batman! DC Publishes The First Zonpower Comic
Book!?!?!"
Interview By UCI Club President & Zon
Gary S. (Super-Inflated Gravity Unit) Kraft
April 8th 1997
GSK: Let's talk about Anarky #1 by DC Comics, publishers of Batman &
Superman! You've managed to write the first neo-tech comic book, which is
quite an accomplishment. It's the first time to my knowledge that neo-tech
has made it to any mainstream media form of entertainment.
AG: It's actually quite hard to do neo-tech in a comic book story because
almost all comic book heroes are founded on some form of irrationality,
that is... the system of logic which drives the comic, which lies behind it,
is actually.. I guess up to a point... a platonic kind of closed system of
logic...
see: http://www.gocomics.com/alangrant.htm
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Neo-Tech
Famous comic-book author Alan Grant (author of "Batman" comics,
and creator of the "Judge Dredd" character) recently spoke with
GS Kraft (http://www.gocomics.com) about the new
Neo-Tech influenced comic book titled: "Anarky".
The full interview is online at:
http://www.gocomics.com/alangrant.htm
selected portions of the interview are listed below:
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Alan Grant Interview: Famous Comic Book Writer & Zon
"Holy Penis Collapsor Batman! DC Publishes The First Zonpower Comic
Book!?!?!"
Interview By UCI Club President & Zon
Gary S. (Super-Inflated Gravity Unit) Kraft
April 8th 1997
GK: Let's talk about Anarky #1 by DC Comics, publishers of Batman &
Superman! You've managed to write the first Neo-Tech comic book, which is
quite an accomplishment. It's the first time to my knowledge that Neo-Tech
has made it to any mainstream media form of entertainment.
AG: It's actually quite hard to do Neo-Tech in a comic book story because
almost all comic book heroes are founded on some form of irrationality,
that is... the system of logic which drives the comic, which lies behind it,
is actually.. I guess up to a point... a platonic kind of closed system of
logic...
For instance, to read a Superman comic you have to accept that a superior
being can come from another planet, you then have to further accept all the
limitations which have been placed on Superman...and, because one would
think, 'all the world really needs is one super being to show everybody
else..to show an example to everybody else," but it doesn't really work
that way or Superman would run out of adventures pretty quickly.
GK: When I started to get into Neo-Tech, because I'm in the comic business
too, the same idea came to me, but you would think, in a rational world,
all Superman would have to do.... I mean, he's actually to me stupid because
he has the great powers, physically and mentally, I mean he can type a
novel in 20 minutes you would think he'd figure out a way to clone humans...
instead of chasing one bad guy at a time.
AG: I would have to agree with that, and that's one of the limitations of
the rationality, which you do get in comic books. And having written Batman
for the last 10 years and having believed for most of my life that Batman
is actually the ultimate comic hero, because he's human, because he
requires no superhuman powers, he doesn't require anything from beyond... He
is a human being who's made himself into his version of the optimum human
being, despite that there are still serious irrationalities involved in the
whole Batman mythos. And, anyone who picks up the comic has got to overcome
which is one the things that was so hard about trying to inject Neo-Tech
into the Anarky story.
In order to have an entertaining comic book story Anarky has to fight both
mentally and physically against certain villain, and the villains I have
him fighting against in part one is actually a demon, the demon Etrigan.
Demons of course are an irrational product of man's mind, and right
therefore I'm face with a severe problem right from the start. Here's this
guy Anarky who espouses Neo-Tech, and possible purity of man's
consciousness, and he's fighting against a superior demonic being from an
irrational universe. So I had to take that into account and still try to
provide an entertaining comic book story for those people who don't know
anything about Neo-Tech. Neo-Tech's gonna be new to them when it's
mentioned this way.
I'm hoping for quite a good reaction from the Anarky comic book ... when I
first created Anarky, he was as his name suggests .. an anarchist... which is
where I was heading to at the time I guess... that was about 10 years ago..
and I had, I guess, like a lot of people, skipped over a lot of
philosophies from all over the world, .. philosophies, religions,
spiritualism, ... various other irrationalities.. looking for what might be
lying at the kernel of all human experience, and I was dissatisfied
completely with everything, and by default, more than anything else I sort
of fell into an anarchist's mindset.
And in fact, when I got my very first Neo-Tech book ... I can't remember
which one it was...five or six years ago, the first 50 pages or so I thought
I could have actually been reading an anarchist's text ... and it wasn't
until the book went on to point out the supremacy of marketing, or the
importance of marketing, for instance, I realized this is diametrically
opposed from what I know as anarchy.
GK: Because it moves into business?
AG: Yeah. And it was that crossover at first, I guess... y'know like they say
in some of the Neo-Tech literature... when you discover these things they
knock you flat. In an instant you're just totally bamboozled because your
world view has turned around ... and I was so excited by the thought that
anything could do that to me after all these years of looking everywhere...
GK: Getting jaded right?
AG: Yeah, exactly. But this was something new and fresh. And not only was
it new and fresh, it seemed to be entirely logical. It made complete sense...
there was no...
GK: So you didn't fight it?
AG: Yeah, yeah. However I know from the reaction I've had from many other
people with whom I've discussed Neo-Tech principles, and I know from
battles I've had with both the editor and the artist on Anarky ....
AG: Most if not all editors, are wittingly or unwittingly part of a larger
parasitic system, and particularly since the boom in comic books has ended
it has been remarkably easy to spot when editors are either acting in what
you would call mystical ways.... That is they create problems....
GK: ... where none exist!
AG: Yeah. Where no problems need exist, and they create them specifically
to make themselves look more important by solving those problems that they
create.
GK: Like a politician.
AG: Yeah. Just like a politician.
(Laughter.)
GK: I'm there man. I hear you! It's the same way in the distributor
scenario as far as retail goes.
AG: Yeah, and it's a real wall, that I guess you just have to bulldoze
through. Because you can't go over it, and you can't go around it... you've
just got to get these guys out of your way.
GK: Was that a big struggle? To get Anarky, as is, into a mini-series?
AG: Yeah, well see they were taking the point of view that Anarky was
created.. well y'see he's a teenager character, I think he's 15 or 16... and
they were taking the viewpoint that previously the toughest guy I ever had
him up against was Batman and suddenly here we have him confronting a demon
from hell in issue #1, and in issue #2 he confronts Darkseid who's the most
evil character in the DC universe.
GK: That's a Superman bad guy?
AG: Yeah, and when I put that in my proposal for issue two the editor
actually complained .. not about my handling of the character of Darkseid,
but about the fact that Anarky was able to stand up to a Darkseid and was
able to argue with him.
I tried to make the point to them that if Darkseid was the evil being they
claimed he is, then he must have chosen to be. You can't be evil if you're
not consciously choosing to be evil. You might do evil things but in
yourself you can't be evil.
GK: Like an animal?
AG: Yeah. Like an animal, that's it exactly. And they took great exception
to this. Their line on it was that Darkseid is evil because he is evil. And
I said, 'that can't be right.' He's evil because he wants to be evil. It
sounds like such a minor sticking point when we're discussing it like this,
but at the time it caused me endless headaches trying to figure out how I
was gonna get these editors to accept exactly what it was I was trying to
tell them.
GK: Didn't Anarky confront Etrigan, asking him why he was evil in issue
one?
AG: Yes. He did indeed. And this in Anarky's uh...
GK: He's curious?
AG: His superficial reason for meeting Etrigan and Darkseid is to find out
why anyone would make the decision to be evil.
GK: So then I guess, even though he's espousing a lot of Neo-Tech ideas in
the dialog.. like when he talks to his dog etc.... that whole scene when
you're really getting out a chunk of information at once.. but at the same
time someone with Neo-Tech knowledge would really know exactly why someone
is evil. So is that more of a foil?
AG: Well it was more for the sake of the reader who haven't had access to
any Neo-Tech literature whatsoever, and what I'm saying, for them is
actually radically different than what they're used to believing because as
you know in comic books people are either heroes or villains and often,
although the motivation might be, 'oh my parents were killed when I was
five years old therefore I will become a superhero so that nobody else
needs to suffer this pain," that kind of thing doesn't stand up to any kind
of rational analysis, which brings us back to what I was saying at the
beginning... that comic books are set in an irrational world and when you
apply the tools of irrationality, certain tools of Neo-Tech to them, it all
tends to sort of fall to pieces.
GK: Well I guess you make me think... it's just an anti-civilization the
comic books.
AG: Yeah (laughter). However, what you mention, the page in the first issue
of Anarky, where he spent the time talking to his dog, I did a page like
that in every issue of the miniseries, and in my original script, it was
actually called the 'history of consciousness part 1 through 4," and all
four pages built up. They were designed by the artist, Norman Breyfogle so
that they would build up into a four piece poster.
GK: Cool!
AG: However I think that the editorial people have scratched that idea.
They're leaving the pages out.
GK: Did they even know what they're publishing?
AG: Well no, to be honest I don't think they do. Since discovering Neo-Tech
I find it harder and harder to get along with many of the editors and the
people that I'm working for because I feel that I can see precisely through
the machinations which they come up with.
They create a flurry, or a storm around so that you never get to see the
core reasons why they're doing anything at all. And these Neo-Tech ideas,
they did not agree with them in any way whatsoever.
I guess I'd forgotten myself my own initial resistance to Neo-Tech, or my
own difficulty in accepting what they were saying, even though it was
exciting to discover it. It was something that I had certainly never heard
before. And to spring that cold on these editorial guys...... (pause than a
fair deal of laughter.)
Even though it was fun cause I quite like a good argument every now and
then, and anyway so I've enjoyed myself. But at the same time from the
point of view of putting out a comic book it probably took twice as long to
do Anarky as I would have on any other equivalent story, just because they
raised so many problems at every step.
GK: How many Anarky stories have there been?
AG: There must be at least half a dozen up to this point. Although I
haven't read them in chronological order I would think it would be quite
easy to see the parallel between Anarky's thought processes and my own
thought processes.
GK: The one story I had originally read took place in an orphanage and um...
AG: I think that was maybe the third story.
GK: I wasn't quite sure. I had a pretty good idea what you were doing with
it but at that time the character did seem.. well anarchistic..
AG: Yeah well like I say that was how he started off and it was only after
I discovered Neo-Tech or.. Neo-Tech discovered me that I figured well
Anarky would actually be the perfect character for me to uh..
GK: So he predates you getting into Neo-Tech?
AG: Yeah, yeah.
GK: Oh, okay. I was under the opposite assumption.
AG: No, no-no. Anarky came first and then Neo-Tech.
GK: Ahhhh, I understand now.
AG: Yah. I felt he was the perfect character because he's human, he has no
special powers, the only power he's got is the power of his own rational
consciousness.
GK: And why did you choose if I might ask, that Anarky made his fortune in
commodities? Heh-heh...
AG: Heh-heh...
GK: Cuz I actually follow commodities myself... Do you?
AG: I had intended to do that myself but it's something about which I know
nothing. I figured well.. if.. I mean I've done pretty well with the comics
over the years but I've never approached the position that I would like to
be in which is where I want my own publishing company publishing my own
material.
GK: Your empire.
AG: Yeah. My own little empire. I've never been able to approach that and
hopefully that's what Neo-Tech is doing... it's given me the kick in the
pants to get things together and integrating all the stuff which previously
I've left up to the specialists, or the experts.. so when you're doing a
comic book if you're trying to do it on your own you have to deal with
everybody yourself ... instead of having all those experts.. lawyers,
marketing people, advertising experts, and all those other departments
between you and the people you're selling your product to.
GK: It's like the hot dog stand.
AG: Yeah, just like the hot dog stand. I mean yeah well that impressed me
mightily because over the past eleven years I've watched my wife build her
own business.
GK: What does she do?
AG: She's a graphic designer.
GK: With the computers and everything?
AG: Yeah. Mostly.. well because she chose this herself and decided that she
would like to use her skills and her talents in the service of charity. So
most of the work which she does is for charity. Like the red cross or
medicine sans frontiers.
GK: That's a french organization?
AG: Yeah. Although in principle I don't have a lot of time for charity, I
think that often, if not always, there are misconceptions ....
GK: Altruism.
AG: Yeah. At the same time when someone makes the decision that that's what
they want to do .. y'know it's-
GK: Out of selfish reasons?
AG: It's not often easy to try and change it. So anyway she's built up a
business over the last 11 years, she has one employee, um, and she has
faced a nightmare of bureaucracy at every step. It's like, well you know it
yourself if you run your own business every step you take uncovers a whole
new sheath of parasites who are just sitting there waiting to suck on
whatever it is you're producing.
GK: I guess working with Red Cross, or charities you would really run into
that but ... y'know I really haven't run into that, I mean I haven't been
audited by the IRS, I haven't... I think the comic book industry is kind of
very self contained and no one's every really gotten to it, except I guess
when they had that stuff in the 50's ....
AG: Yeah, I guess that's very true. It is self contained in that it doesn't
make that many concessions to the world outside and much of the real world
outside isn't aware of the world of comic books.
GK: Except that one comic book shop Planet Comics that got busted in
Oklahoma on obscenity charges.
AG: Yeah...
GK: But that's a whole other can of worms..... But uh,... I hear where you're
coming from. Starting your own business is... you have to integrate every
single detail ....
AG: Yep. Yeah.. f'r somebody... I mean I made a living as a writer for around
25 years now doing different material and but almost always what I've been
required to write has been based on irrationality. And so one of the
biggest skills in doing it was being able to trick people into accepting
the suspension of disbelief.. And often to be entertaining you have to
accept that comics do have an element of irrationality. It's time there was
more to them than that ..... the world in my opinion.. I mean I'm fairly
pessimistic.. uhhh... or at least I was fairly pessimistic in that viewpoint
until I discovered Neo-Tech but I used to be what you might call a student
of Apocalypse theory, I don't know if that's the right word but I had great
interest in deciphering things like Mayan prophecies, biblical prophecies
and the book of revelation and the prophecies of Nostradamus, etc.
GK: And you though there were kernels of truth therein?
AG: Well, yeah, I guess you could call it kernels of truth. Um, well I
thought.. and I'm sure Neo-Tech would agree with this, the same what the
people with what you might call unconscious or preconscious were programmed
to act as for instance the oracle at Delphi and the other various oracles
in the ancient world. I believe that it's quite possible for the right
brain to see a pattern to things, not necessarily seeing the future. But
when I applied Neo-Tech to things like my interpretation of the biblical
prophecies and revelation I can see that Neo-Tech in some ways satisfies
what's being told there in an allegorical or metaphorical scale, rather
than just taking it and just to give an example at the end of the world it
states that Satan who is the prince of deceit will have sway over the
entire world enmeshing him in his deceit. Now for any one versed in
Neo-Tech you can see that the world is enmeshed in a web of deceit, and now
whether or not Satan is real being or whether or not he is the
personification of the principle of deceit-
GK: The dishonesty disease or mysticism.
AG: Yeah, you can see that that there are points where these things come
together and, don't take this wrong but I'm not projecting in this any sort
of religious sense, but instead of as revelations said, Christ coming back
to save the world with an army of angels it's almost as if Neo-Tech has
stepped in instead and said you don't need all these gods, you don't need
all these messiahs, and to me that's the biggest revelation of all time!
GK: Very true. And I don't know if you're aware of it but a lot of the
literature as of late, that I've noticed on there web site anyway has to do
with I guess reinterpretations of the bible... They have something I
noticed.. The Gospel According to John, but in this case it's John Flint
who's really Frank Wallace...
AG: Well I haven't connected up to the web yet ...
GK: What I also want to do is send you some stuff I've printed out off
their web site..
AG: Oh that'd be great! I'd really appreciate that! I know from the
pamphlet that they had been operating the web site.
GK: It's there whole strategy now.
AG: Well it's one of our priorities to get up on the web once we've got the
new house in some sort of livable order. I'm quite looking forward to do
that but I would deeply appreciate and of the more recent literature taken
from the web site.
GK: Well let's pick up again with what you were saying about the
revelations, etc.
AG: Quite a lot of these prophecies, and not just from the bible, that was
just one I took as an example, but many of the other prophecies, most of
them are grouped together and supposed to happen between the years 1997,
1998 and 2014 which gives us a very short window of opportunity, I mean to
me it's just so exciting and amazing and come along with the explanation
for everything that ever was, is and is to be. We don't need anything other
than our own rational minds....
GK: I see it as the war of two worlds. But... more so the way I look at it is
as a foregone conclusion because uh, when I read the long wave what's
basically said is that humans created the universe, I mean literally.
AG: Yep.
GK: I mean you get to a certain point in every civilization's economy where
it's profitable to start a new universe, and you explode your super
inflated gravity unit, or whatever it is and then when you create that
universe over, however long it takes and then human beings will go from
unconscious/bicameral to mystical and then after a couple of thousand years
of anti-civilization someone discovers Neo-Tech and it starts all over
again...in an endless cycle; literally.
AG: Yeah and it's so exciting to think that because everything else has
been an irrational explanation which has involved, whatever scheme it is,
has involved that, well it's okay that we're the license parasites, and do
whatever we say and you'll receive salvation in the afterlife, and here
comes Frank Wallace saying, do what you know to be right, discover it for
yourself, don't look to these other people. I mean some mornings I wake up
and I feel so incredibly optimistic, and you'd say, if you'd known me for
the past 25 years, wow, what's happened to this guy?
GK: It's kind of like born again without being religious about it. You just
finally wake up.
They on the tapes once went into a discussion where it was brought out that
for example, the pope has to be atheist, to do the integrations, even
though it's neo-cheating, to do the integrations on that level he can't be
mystical in the sense that he's really believing god's gonna come down and
punish the wicked, cause he's really running an empire with millions and
millions of dollars, and everything else associated with the Vatican, and
Bill Clinton, he really knows that he's full of shit.
AG: This is one of the examples I use when I'm arguing with people. I mean
even if you think he's a good guy, the amount of smear and innuendo, and
you know actual accusations which have appeared in the press against him,
it's obvious that the guy is a liar. All it would take is for one guy in
that position, Clinton, or Yeltsin, or John Major, although he's a lesser
player. All it would take is for one of them to stand up and say all my
life I've been a shit, I've acted like a shit, but now I know what's right
and what's wrong and I want to share it with you. But none of them would
ever do it. It's like a wild pipe dream to ever imagine Bill Clinton doing
that.
GK: Frank Wallace actually wrote something to the effect that Bill Clinton
never had any real connection to the anti-civilization, where he'd be
uniquely suited to be the person to do that, just because he doesn't
believe any of his own bullshit.
AG: Yeah, he doesn't believe in anything that he says, he'll say anything
just as long as he thinks it that it's gonna keep people conned, and give
him the good lifestyle while the noose tightens and our society marches on
towards totalitarianism.
GK: That's true cause it is.
AG: Well I don't know.. I'm sure that in America, well my only experiences
of America are like vacations and dealing with Americans. And so I'm not
really qualified to speak about how it's going in America, but in Great
Britain the powers that be are getting desperate in their efforts to blind
us ... and what can I use as an example here?
In Great Britain if you have a television set you have to buy a television
license from the government before you can operate it. And this money goes
to the BBC which is our public broadcast channel, like even if you have a
TV but don't want to watch the BBC, if you refuse to pay the money you're
fined, you're jailed, your assets are seized. But when I got my TV license
reminder form not very long ago I read the small print on it, because I
object to being forced to pay money for something that I don't necessarily
want. You know I would much rather do it on a commercial basis, then they
would say, well it's fifteen bucks a month if you want the service. Well
that's okay. I got no problem with that. But when I'm told I must pay this
money just because I own a television set it really rubs me the wrong way.
So anyway, I'm checking through the fine print and all of the, there used
to be what you what you'd call State Bureaus to handle these things, so
like for vehicles, it would be the department of vehicles, and for TV
licensing the department of television licensing, but now they've
privatized, or they've claimed to have privatized these companies which
they haven't. They've just changed them into incorporated companies which
now have no downside risk because they're limited companies. And they have
no need to act in any business like method or way at all to get new
customer, because the law says that any new customer has to pay the money
anyway.
If you apply that to the Neo-Tech literature, it would be like everyone
would have to pay for the Neo-Tech literature whether they ever read it or
not. And it's totally insane, and yet what the British government has done
has turned all these bureaus into limited companies. So now when I get a
letter from these companies they refer to me as "Dear Customer." And I
write back to them, "I'm not your customer! I'm a forced customer." A
customer of choice is like between, if a guy wants TV from satellite he
pays the satellite guy, and if he wants it from cable he pays the cable
guy.
But I say "you," whatever source I want TV from I have to pay you a tax,
I'm not your customer, I'm your slave. But they pay little attention to
that sort of stuff and I'm sure my name just goes on a computerized list
somewhere and on the morning that they decide to round people up I'll be
one of the people who gets rounded up.
GK: Yeah. I hope not.
AG: Well I, again...
GK: The TV police strike again.
AG: The people here who've had power have had it for much longer than the
establishment in America. The abuse of our system goes back two thousand
years instead of two hundred years. And it's entrenched into these people.
The greatest cheats, or the greatest neo-cheats in Britain are people like
Princess Diana for instance who lead a completely parasitical existence
which is acceptable to the masses because at least superficially, she
appears to be doing work for charity. But it's the same enforced money
which support her as support the charities. So for instance she is given
government money to keep her alive. She got I think $15 million of
taxpayer's money when she divorced Prince Charles. And that money was given
to her, and she doesn't have to be accountable but what she's done is
affiliated herself with certain charities like Save The Children, so
wherever she goes in the world at the taxpayer's expense she can say, "I'm
doing it cause I'm trying to save the children."
And of course, if she really wanted to save the children she would turn
round and say to the media who follow her everywhere, "Well look, I'm a
cheat, I'm a parasite, I'm a leech, but, I'm gonna change," but she won't
do it, she's far too steeped in the mythos we've had for the last two
thousand years that British Kings & Queens are sacrosanct. Basically they
have blue blood, they're different from other people, they're better than
other people.... It's total insanity.
But they use their armed enforcers to take the taxes off the taxpayers to
finance these leeches....
GK: Which is what it always boils down to... force I mean.
AG: Yep. We've got the power! Give us your money.
GK: The bottom line is... they might think they're living well now, but say
for example, a janitor in New York City lives much better than any king did
a few hundred years ago. He has running water and indoor plumbing, fresh
food, heat, etc.....
So... once the civilization of the universe is here, and business really
booms, and all the problems are solved, Princess Diana would live way
better than 15 million dollars could ever let her live now. So they're also
trapped in it in one sense.
AG: I agree, they are trapped. But the fact that they have that capacity
for leeching gigantic sums of money, it puts an onus on them to waken up.
Obviously they're not going to do that. But I enjoy baiting... You know like
using the Neo-Tech Protection Kit as part of my defense. I tend to, I mean
I try to do what Neo-Tech did to their main detractors, which is really
simple logic, and then let them take it from there ... and it's quite amusing
because as Neo-Tech found out, once you challenge these people a lot of
them just clam up and you never ever hear from them again...
GK: They just shrink away.
AG: Yeah, it's incredible...
GK: Yeah, because like bullies they always go onto the easier pickings.
AG: Yep.
GK: And Neo-Tech does it for sport in a sense. And that's an interesting
way to look at it, I mean even from the perspective of the Anarky book, I
mean, this is what it's almost all about, I mean it's a foregone conclusion
but you still can't get their without the effort. Each business mind goes
against it and fulfills their own essence.
I mean my essence is to be happy, and part of that is having the means to
be productive on a larger and larger scale, without stagnating, because you
have to get bigger, because you're either growing or you are dying. So you
don't get a "nice" business and make "X" amounts of dollars and just run it
at the same level year after year; it's stupidity.
AG: But that's almost exactly why my wife Sue and I have moved to this big
house. We had settled into what you might call a rut. You know like a very
wealthy rut. We were able to vacation maybe 5 or 6 times a year, maybe
going to Europe or America, our house paid for, nice cars. Like I had my
writing business, she had her design business.... But when we thought, "Well
we still got thirty years of our lives to go together, and hopefully a lot
longer than that, it became less and less attractive because that rut could
be seen for what it was; a dead end. And like you say, you've got to grow
or you die.
So we've taken this somewhat drastic step....
GK: I noticed in Anarky you start with the words, "Think back to when you
were a kid," and that's really what it is. Because when you were a kid
before you got corrupted, I mean you'd wake up and you got the energy, and
you were bouncing...
AG: That's something that really effected me personally when I read a
Neo-Tech piece about kids being sort of the genuine Neo-Tech people, till
they are warped, and they have the natural honesty squeezed out of them,
and they have to bit by bit join the anti-civilization. That really struck
a chord with me cause I had a quite turbulent childhood and I could
actually see what you might want to call "phase points," where I had to
give up my own individuality to join in to the consensus reality. Even
though I knew it was wrong, that I was being cheated, I had to do it
anyway....
Because, it's like kids can't stand on their own, kids want to be part of
it, and if the prevailing consensus is an evil one that is based on
parasites and cheats then the kid doesn't really have an option. When
you're a kid if you don't join in then you really are alone, there's nobody
for you to talk to.
GK: Very true.
AG: There are no organizations that can really help with something like
that. So the Neo-Tech literature which did touch on childhood really did
have a remarkable effect on me, it was quite profound.
GK: It did on me too.. What they referred to it with was the word
comprachicos I believe. I don't know quite how it went, whether it was
gypsies or whatever, but for the amusement of royalty, they would put kids
in strange containers to create physical deformities, much like Chinese
foot blocking. They would create freaks out of kids, and that's what
they're saying. Even though it's not being done overtly, it's just as
dramatic an end result. Giving your kids Captain Crunch with sugar, and
then Jesus Christ in their heads....
AG: When we were in the states last year, and there was a case going on
about some 8 year old beauty queen in the Midwest who had been murdered by
her parents. And they showed footage of her in a beauty pageant, and it was
like, she wasn't a real human being. She had been forced into a mold which
may or may not be suitable for a 30 or 40 year old woman like Dolly Parton,
or a country and western star. But this poor child was forced to wear the
same outfits, and makeup to make her look older and more attractive, and
it's horrifying; not only was her whole childhood stolen from her, but when
she started to grow up they killed her.
And that basically, though it's an extreme form of it, that's basically
what's done to children all over the world.
GK: Yeah, it's the insanity cycle. Generation to generation. But I guess
Neo-Tech is the only thing that stops the cycle because it calls it by
name. And nothing else ever did. Because that's the whole process of taking
control. You name things, identify them, so you can understand them and
analyze them to see just what is going on. And that's where you get that
power, and like you were saying you go after the neo-cheaters, whether it's
in business or whatever; you take control and that produces genuine
feelings of happiness.
It's not easy, so you get that boost, because you're breaking through that
mystical wall, y'know once... I owed money to Heroes World Distribution,
going back to when the market crashed a few years ago. So when Marvel
corporate people took over after that acquisition, I had ended up signing a
promissory note and I would pay them every week against the debt until it
was gone.
So,... well the reason Marvel went back to distribution through Diamond was
it is THE WHITE COLLAR HOAX. And, in fact at Heroes World nobody knew what
was going on.
So towards the end of the Heroes World story, they hired someone knew to
take over accounts receivables there.
So for all last summer, half my Marvel shipment would be missing from my
delivery each week. And when I would call up to rectify the situation, to
get my shortages and damages replaced they would tell me things like, "they
can't call the warehouse because they weren't allowed to.."
And I'd be like, "Well do they have a phone? Do you have a phone? Then
we're gonna call the f%*&^ing warehouse right now!"
Y'know and that sort of Neo-Tech action, getting right to the essence of
it...
So anyway this guy from Heroes World Distribution calls me up and I wanted
them to credit me for all the screwups and he says, "Well I thought, and
I'm not from the comic book business, I'm from the record business, but I
thought you would want to give us money since you owe us money...."
And I said to him, "Are you an altruist?"
And he was like, "Excuse me?"
I said, "Do you believe in sacrifice?"
And he thought about it and said, "Yes I do."
And I said, "Well I don't and if you want to open up your wallet and
sacrifice your paycheck to me feel free, but don't f#$%$ing dig in my
pocket cause I'll come down there and we'll have a problem..."
And that was it, y'know... and you're able no matter who it is..... it's the
most powerful knowledge...
AG: It certainly is. At the end, this is I guess, it would have been a
disappointment for me, but at the end of the Anarky miniseries, Batman
manages to thwart Anarky's scheme...
GK: They go into a ghetto, all the neo-cheaters?
AG: Sorry?
GK: I was reading the coming attractions and it says something about
there's a ghetto in Gotham City, and I gathered that all the neo-cheaters
end up in Gotham City somehow.
AG: Well what happens is Anarky and in part 2, or at the end of part 2 he
captures Batman, and in part 3, well he's got a lot of regard for Batman,
because he figures that Batman's at least trying to do good, even if he's
doing it in a wrongminded way. So anyway, he captures Batman and he sets
his scheme into motion, which is like a wave generator, with which he
intends to fuse the left and right brains of everyone together. And it
turns out in the end it was all a hallucination, but anyway we get to see
what the world would be like in the year 2000 if Anarky had his way and ...
They did in the Neo-Tech literature, it was like a personalized confession
by Bob Dole Kennedy, the archetypal neocheater, and then the ghetto they're
all cannibalized...
GK: I thought I recognized the concept..
AG: Yeah, basically I just adapted it to Gotham City neocheats. Those who
refuse to accept the principles of rationality are put into the ghetto and
left to fend for themselves. No violence is used against them but they're
just left to fend for themselves.
GK: They're ostracized?
AG: Yeah, that's it exactly.
GK: They're exposed as.. he always uses the word, "penis collapsors.."
AG: Yeah, that's it.
GK: Impotent!
AG: Yeah, they're exposed as impotent and they're ostracized.
GK: Do you have any good scenes where he tries to expose Batman to Neo-Tech
reason?
AG: Well, I would like to think that they're good. I haven't seen the
edited version and I have to say that some editorial changes were made to
the comic without my blessing. Again, that's one of the limitations your
forced up against when your forced to deal with a company, whether or not
that company's parasitic many members of it are. When they own the actual
copyrights to the characters, even though they're characters you created,
you have to do it their way or you are looking for a job somewhere else.
So I wasn't able to take it quite as far as I would have liked it. I was
also very angry with them about the advertising for the comic. The whole
point of this four issue miniseries is to make the point that the end
doesn't justify the means. However, the only slogan for the ad campaign is
that the ends justify the means.
GK: His name is his goal.
AG: Yeah. And I called them up and I said, "This isn't right. You've taken
this the wrong way 180 degrees. Don't you understand what this book is
about?"
And instead of getting a confession, "okay, we're sorry, we made a
mistake," and seeing what they can do to rectify it... What I got was well
uh, "no we don't really understand what we're reading." So what we're
dealing with here is that they brushed up against Neo-Tech, but then just
went on their way... back into the oblivion, where they don't need to think
for themselves...
GK: It's strange because the comic industry could use Neo-Tech in a big way
to jumpstart the economy of it.
AG: Yep.
GK: Of course there is very little competition, and very little capital
coming in, and people instead of using their minds to think of solutions, I
think they're mostly freaking out...
AG: Well that's my experience of it too. You hear many people complaining
about it but all they're doing is sitting back and waiting for the next
boom. They know that previous experience shows these booms are cyclical.
GK: They are.
AG: Yeah, that may be so but my limited research shows that when there is a
recession in the economy in general, comic books tend to sell on really
well for another 3 or 4 years. So it's almost as if when times get tight in
the economy comic books boom, but when things get better comic book sales
sink back.
It's almost as if there's a time lag between the comics' economy and the
economy at large.
And the comics appear to be running 3 to 4 years behind it.
GK: That could be the "Superman Economic Indicator."
AG: Traditionally in times of recession or depression the entertainment
media have done better because people have less money to spend on the big
things in life they spend on the little things in life.
GK: I also think it's because comics have a great escape quality.
AG: Yeah, a great escape quality, but it won't have if I can keep bringing
Neo-Tech to them. Then they'll find themselves caught in my trap.
GK: Absolutely. I think that's where all the real excitement will come
because I think that media is the best way to disseminate the knowledge.
There's a whole emotional, well it's actually the essence of it, is the
emotional impact, and what better way... I mean when people watch a good
movie, they may get emotional, they laugh, they cry, ... you know the movie
Braveheart with Mel Gibson..
AG: I know the movie though I haven't seen it..
GK: Well it was almost a Neo-Tech movie in the sense that ... well it took
place in Scotland I think, hundreds of years ago where they're fighting for
their freedom from the British and Braveheart just refused to be a subject,
he wanted his freedom to the very end. And he was very honest, brutally
honest, without.. I mean it just seemed so natural for the character, but
you can draw the parallel that um, the modern day parallel, because that's
what they really showed, that the masses are sheep, and they believe that
this king is descended from god himself, I think it's called divine
mandate, and I mean he's a real shit the king. They show it...
And through the live arts, comic books, you can actually make people get
it. What you might want to do is get the neo tech web site in the last
issue if you still have time... My own web site has had over 8,000 hits since
the end of November...
AG: Wow.
GK: It seems that for some strange reason more comic collectors have
computers then you'd find in the general population. Maybe half my
customers whereas it's only 30% in the general population.
I think that would be huge since this interview will be on the web, and
Neo-Tech is linking to my site from their site, so even any comic people
seeing the link in the comic to Neo-Tech might find their way to my site,
which is more leverage for me which is apropos to a Neo-Tech situation...
AG: Well I'll do my best to get address onto the last issue. I'm actually
expecting a call this week and just to jump ahead to the end of issue four,
well like I told you, for political reasons, Batman had to, well being the
hero, had to beat Anarky who is looked on by the DC people as being a
villain. So Anarky was wrong and confessed...
GK: Oooooh...
AG: Well his mistake I had to take as being believing that he has the right
to fuse other people's brains where he didn't have that right at all
obviously.
GK: Oh I got ya. That was his plan. To just physically fix everyone.
AG: Yeah. So anyway the book ended with Anarky cleverly escaping from
Batman and disappearing into the city. And over his disappearance were the
lyrics to the John Lennon song, I don't know if you know that song..
GK: Aaaah! I was just listening to the Plastic Ono Band.
AG: It's basically, "Just imagine there's no heaven, it's easy cuz it's
true," y'know there's no god, just me and you.
And stuff like that and it made a very nice ending for the story, it's a
very rounded ending. Because you wouldn't have thought of John Lennon's
work in that Neo-Tech context.
GK: I was actually. Believe it or not I was thinking of John Lennon,
because I like him a lot, and I was thinking that he would have been one of
the people, who if they had gotten, well I think about a lot of people who
if they got Neo-Tech knowledge they're in position to affect things, where
a- I think they'd understand it and b- I think they're in leveraged
positions to disseminate it.
Of course it's gonna happen, my belief is as it's spreading and it picks up
speed geometrically, I think there will be people who are looked up to as
external authorities, cause that's coming from the bicameral thing, like
movie stars, y'know that's still coming from those vestiges of the
bicameral mind, and one or two, or whoever is the first to do that, that's
a great thing to do even like writing this comic book.
AG: Well I think, like you say John Lennon would have understood Neo-Tech
and he would have seized it. Because it would have been the answer to
everything that he agonized about for his entire life.
However, DC comics went to the owner of the songs and they said we couldn't
use the lyrics unless paid some sort of massive fee ...
GK: How much?
AG: I don't know what it was cause it's editorial that usually handles
that. So all I knew was I got a phone call saying, "We spoke to Northern
Songs, they want too much money, you're gonna have to rewrite the end of
the book." Which I hadn't been expecting at all.
GK: So you have to rewrite the very end of the book. That's a bummer.
AG: Yeah, but I'm not gonna yet cause in typical editorial parasite fashion
nobody has called me to tell me what they'd like me to rewrite, or how much
they'd like me to rewrite, or whatever, um and I know exactly what will
happen. It's like one day before it's due I'm gonna get a call from some
editor who'll say this stuff should have been in already. And I'll say,
"Yeah, well you didn't give me the brief for what the changes were meant to
be."
And they don't accept the responsibility for anything. They drop that on
the freelancers. So it doesn't matter what goes wrong, it is always the
freelancers' fault. Um, I have to tell you that I am in close contact with
a lot of other writers and artists and I spend quite a lot of my time
talking to them and discussing with them the principles of Neo-Tech. I
can't say that I've gotten anyone at all to um, throw their hat in the air
and say, "Wow! It's all become clear to me..."
GK: It's a tough proposition.
AG: Yeah, but having said that they are all now being introduced to that so
they know what I'm talking about as soon as I start talking...
GK: Yeah, you go by the belief, well the Aristotelian philosophy that man
is good and rational, that he's essentially noble, he wants to work hard
and be happy, and that's true uncorrupted human nature. And I feel it's
true. I see most people as being good, but there's just one really cool
thing Neo-Tech went into, the illuminati, have you ever read that?
AG: Yeah, I read that and I'm actually reading a book on the Illuminati,
it's not Neo-Tech, but another book because I thought it might throw more
light on them.
GK: What they're really doing, it's subversion, it's like a cat and mouse
game... And the way the Zon protocols end up superior is that it's all
accomplished without violence or bloodshed. They're just coming right out,
honestly, saying, "Here's the solution, it's available right now. Let's do
it." And it could be done in a couple of years..
AG: It could, well not quite overnight, but virtually overnight. Cause as
soon as you show people something that's good for them, something they like
that has real value to them they're gonna flock to it. 95% of the
population of the world have been cheated out of their birthright. It's
been squeezed out of them, they go off to their dying day not knowing how
this happened, how their beautiful life turned into a pile of shit.
GK: Yeah and I could relate to that. I'm about to turn 30 and for the first
time I can remember the last decade as an adult. And it's a blink. And I
start to remember things from when I was 19 or 20 and I realize it's 10, 11
years ago and as you get older you're remembering 20 and 30 years, ... and
it's a f%#$$ing BLINK. And that's the ultimate cheat that 70 or 80 years is
a blink to live. And besides once you're 30 your back starts to hurt... and
y'know that's the other thing you're getting cheated out of.... Feeling good.
AG: Yeah, it extends to everything once you get trapped in that system,
there's just more and more tendrils wrapping around you and before you know
where you are you've got a hundred different shoots pumped into you, into
your pocketbook, your bloodstream, your happiness quotient. And it's all
being sucked off so that by the end of your life your left dry.
Both my parents are in their late 70's and I've watched them over the last
10 or 20 years get older, and get more bitter. And my father was always a
very productive person, he loved working hard. And he went off and he
fought in a world war and he came home and the houses that they promised
the soldiers weren't there. It's like they were lied to their whole lives,
so many times, and now getting to the end of his life he's left in such a
state of confusion, so he curses god, he curses the government, he curses
everything. But he doesn't see the trick, how they swept the carpet out
from under his feet.
GK: I tried to show my father Neo-Tech, he was a hippie in the late sixties
y'know but he just doesn't want to, well y'know when it gets to, ... it's
easy for him to say, "everything's bullshit." And that's easy for him to
say, he got cheated, he was in a profession where his union fell apart and
he lost work and most of his livelihood, etc. etc. And he'll always talk
about that but when I bring up the fact, yeah, but YOU have to take
control, I mean once you give someone the knowledge and say, "Hey this is
why everything is crummy, this is the neo-cheater, this is the enemy," but
the REAL ENEMY is your own mysticism.
AG: Yep, that's it. That's what it all comes down to that we're all
responsible for ourselves. It's a shame that it's so hard to cut through
your own personal stuff. Cause it's much easier to see it in operation all
about you. But you have to apply that to yourself. But it is very difficult
to slay off your own personal mysticism.
GK: And that's where all the leverage comes from because when you can burn
out your own mysticism that's when you become a Zon.
AG: Yep, that's when you can negate all the rest of the bloody parasites.
GK: And then in a sense that's when they become unreal. Although in an
other sense they are very real, and you have to juggle that. They have to
be beat.
AG: Well it's funny. I sometimes feel that as an ongoing process. Y'know
like when I'm thinking about something and it's from a Neo-Tech point of
view I feel such a surge of power, but it's not power over anything, just
the sense that I can control my own destiny, it just fills me with such a
surge of power.
GK: Yeah, and with NeoTech Publishing themselves, they call them bantam
companies, and they have the realization that each Neo-Tech company needs
to be able to single-handedly collapse mysticism, if say Frank Wallace is
hit by a car, y'know they can't depend on him, not even them, he can't be
the external authority, he's essentially no different than you or I, he was
just there first.
AG: He's an incredibly astute guy... well one day his name will be in quite a
place in the hall of fame.
GK: If he gets biological immortality he'll always be looked at on Planet
Earth as THE guy. I mean the leverage, if you think about it from a selfish
perspective he's setting himself up to get free meals for the rest of
eternity.... It's amazing, and I'm sure he's thought of that, and they all
do, because nothing escapes that matrix....
AG: Yeah, everything gets pinned into it.
GK: And I guess it works when you're writing and you get a lot of power
that way, and I guess when you start your own company...
A lot of people had emailed me personally, y'know normally it's just posted
to the group, but it did strike a chord with several on the Neo-Tech Usenet
group list. Actually several people ran to the comic store, and their
certainly not comic collectors per se, but people liked the book a
tremendous amount, and someone even wrote if you write other Neo-Tech comic
books he'd buy them all.
I think there's a tremendous market for it in all mediums but comic books,
they're cheap-
AG: That's the beauty of them. They're cheap to make.
GK: You actually have a highly leverage position cause you're the only
comic writer with a name who has explicit Neo-Tech knowledge. That I know
of anyway.
AG: Well certainly the ones I've spoken to have been receptive to it but at
the end of the day personal mysticism tends to overwhelm all.
GK: Have they ever read the stuff?
AG: I hold my Neo-Tech literature dearly and I don't like to part with it,
but I've sent out some of the pamphlets, the zonpower communique pamphlets,
the "Will cyberspace Zap the parasites pamphlet," you know several of the
things that I've already got a good take on or that's mentioned elsewhere
in the literature.
Because I keep going back to the literature and reading though it, and I
quite often miss little nuggets that I had missed the first time around, or
the second.
GK: I listen to the tapes constantly for the past two years. And I always
hear new things when they're having conversations.
I had sent Mike Allred Cassandra's Secret, I did a promotion for Madman,
cause I like that book, and he didn't get it. He sent it back though, I was
glad but, and it wasn't like he was offended by it or anything, I forget
how I even ended up talking to him about it... Oh, it was from Nexus, I was
talking to Steve Rude about Neo-Tech, and you know, you talk to people
about Neo-Tech and you think the first thing they'll think is, "this guy's
a crackpot."
AG: Yep.
GK: But even if you manage to get it out, and they manage to listen to it,
they say, "Oh, that's really interesting, but uh..."
GK: But my partner took to it which I was glad cause Neo-Tech is business.
I had three other partners, but they're all long since gone, so it's just
us running it Neo-Tech style. It's the wedge they talk about. It just
wedges... it's hard, I mean I've kept my friends and everything, but there's
that wedge...
AG: Well I remember at the start of one of the books, I can't remember
which one it was cause I've got so many now but there was a warning saying,
almost on a par with the alcoholics anonymous warning, like "buy immersing
yourself in this literature you may find that you lose your friends, your
family, all those that are dear to you but you will gain something worth
immeasurably more."
GK: It's lonely.
AG: Yeah. It is.
GK: That's the word for it.
AG: After you called last week my daughter and her boyfriend arrived to
spend some time with us so I spent and hour or so delivering the principles
of Neo-Tech to them. Because they are both in their early twenties, they
are the people who really need this so that they can get started, rather
than like me, I'm 48 years old, so I had to wait like another 20 plus years
on top of their age to get to this knowledge, so I thought I was doing them
a real favor...
GK: You really are.
AG: Yeah... but it sort of knocks them down and they say, "Well that's
interesting, that's weird, but now we'll take the dog out shall we?"
GK: Yeah, now what's for lunch?
AG: You know who I always think would be good, Frank Miller, though I don't
know him.
GK: As far as I'm concerned he and Alan Moore are the two top comic
writers, certainly over the past 10 to twenty years and I would think that
either of them would be able to get a firm grasp on this. I used to be
quite friendly with Alan Moore but we sort of drifted apart, and the latest
I've heard, I don't know if this is true or not, I'm repeating gossip and
it's hearsay, but he's become more and more involved in what you might call
magical activities.
.... Well it's the wrong way for that guy to go. It may even be ... I probably
... I feel so strongly about this that even though Alan and I haven't been in
contact for years now I may well, like his number or address is not listed
anymore, he sort of withdrew into himself, but I'll make an effort to seek
him out and send him one of the Neo-Tech pamphlets, I know that like me
he's a voracious reader, so that he wouldn't not read something which came
to him....
GK: When I went to bed last night I picked up Steve Ditko's Strange
Avenging Tales, cause I like Steve Ditko and I had met him once at Defiant,
I was an advertiser in their books, and he was doing work for them and
anyway, he's an Ayn Rand, um, he's an objectivist... and they were writing
about the fact that he doesn't like to be interviewed and he's not very ...
he doesn't run in any comic book social circles and he never did, he was
always very strong that if he didn't like what was wanted of him he
wouldn't do it, he'd just walk out .. and I was thinking that he'd be
another person who'd eat it up if given the chance. I mean anyone coming
out of the objectivist school... or thinking along those lines, cause it's
all individualism... it's all out there, it's just like waiting for the first
domino, if it hasn't already fallen.
AG: When I first read Neo-Tech, saying it could even happen by the year
2000 or shortly thereafter I was thinking that was an impossibly small time
scale. But anytime I look around now I can see that the pace at which we're
hurtling towards oblivion is speeding up. As the hare comes to the top of
the cliff no one's slowing down saying, "there's a big cliff coming up."
They're all just running faster. Maybe there's a big cliff ahead but if I
could grab another bag of cash I'll be okay.
GK: The final feeding frenzy.
AG: Yeah! That's it. I love that, "the final feedin' frenzy!"
GK: Me too. This is it. Specifically because of the computer revolution and
the internet I just know how fast it's all going to go down, merging with
television, and the fact that no one government can control it. I do a lot
of bulk emailing, and it's an amazing thing... I've ran all kinds of
advertisements in the past 5 years and it's always very expensive, but bulk
emailing allows anyone, even the littlest guy to make a lot of money if
they're shrewd, and you don't have to be a computer programmer, and I think
that's what's going to happen, that commerce, it's going to be finally
free, just because I can't see them stopping it and regulating it the way
they'd want to. It's too big and it's too fast and the neo-cheaters are too
slow.
AG: Yep, they are. They're too slow. They are the dinosaurs on their way to
becoming extinct.
GK: Yeah, and the comet's coming... That's it! So I believe that's about
it..... I've got this on tape so I'll just get it on to the web site
verbatim.
AG: Yeah, I can't wait to get connected to the web. I feel like there's so
much going on up there that I just gotta get on it.
GK: When I first got connected I don't think I slept more than an hour the
whole week. Now I'm more or less desensitized to it, though every now and
then you kind of pause and say, "Wow! Look at what I'm doing. Just a few
years I couldn't have even imagined it..." And then it instantly makes you
extrapolate, "wow, in two years mysticism could be over." It's gonna happen
so fast people won't even know what's happening. It's already happening and
things will get cheaper. I read a lot of business news and I see, for
example, that Dupont has created synthetic cheap materials that will
replace concrete and steel. Genetic breakthroughs are happening very
quickly now, computer breakthroughs are happening very quickly with
telecommunications, but at the same time the government's passing more and
more regulations and less and less freedom is left, and the war is coming
down to the finish line, and I don't think it's gonna be a nuclear war, I
think it'll just be a peaceful... it'll just happen, period.
AG: Yeah. It'll just happen. I agree with you, when people in general see
what can be done, once they see that you don't have to lie and cheat, once
they see that you can have an amazing life by just being yourself, by just
being yourself, and by just using the brain you've got, the brain you've
always wanted to use and you've never known how.
GK: It's the other 90% of the brain that they always talk about. You only
use 5 or 10% of your brain, and well, I used to always think when I was
younger, "How do I get to other 90% and get those super powers?" And then
you realize that you're there, you just stop being bicameral or mystical.
AG: You just take responsibility for yourself.
GK: And I always feel, well, I have personal mysticisms that I'm aware of
acutely, and it's like an exorcism in a sense. And in some ways you feel so
superior, but then you think where people will be in the future, but I
think even the mysticism in myself, I think that once everyone is going in
that Neo-Tech direction it just disappears. It just disappears, like they
say the tailbone on your body, you've still got the vestigial bump from
when you had a tail and you were a monkey, it's the same thing. It'll be
nothing because that's what it really is.
AG: It'll pass away and just leave a few bumps behind.
GK: I don't think it'll history will matter the way it does now. I think
it'll just be like, "Yeah, we were monkeys once, yeah we were mystical
once." Now it's back to work.
AG: Yeah. I'm gonna get back to work myself.
Well that's it comic fans! Alan Grant, famed comic book writer of such hits
as Batman, Judge Dredd, Lobo and countless others has gone Neo-Tech and is
currently planting the seeds for his comic publishing empire which will
incorporate Neo-Tech business concepts.
http://www.gocomics.com/alangrant.htm
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