Why Women Oppose Gun Romanticism
BretCahill
Bret Cahill
All conservatism is based on censorship of
economic information.
-- Bret Cahill
Jackson Harvey
> Should be a no brainer.
Perhaps you could first explain what "gun romanticism" is, and what
leads you to believe women oppose it?
Jackson Harvey
"moderate" Libertarian
WRH Bill
And while you're at it, Mr. Cahill, explain why you think women have a
collective hive mind, and, unlike men, are incapable of forming *individual*
opinions.
By the way, FBI statistics indicate that crime victims who defend themselves
with a gun are more likely to escape unharmed than either those who submit
passively (as commonly recommended) or those who resist by other means. And
this is *especially* true of female victims. So perhaps those women who *do*
support armed self-defense are engaging in "gun realism," not "gun
romanticism".
"You can't kill the truth. Well, actually, you CAN kill it...but it'll come
back to haunt you later." (Capt. John Sheridan)
BretCahill
Message-id: <39BD2D2C...@tc.umn.edu> writes:
>
>BretCahill wrote:
>
>> Should be a no brainer.
>
>Perhaps you could first explain what "gun romanticism" is,
Sitting around oiling your gun fantacizing
about a glorious gun battle with evil bad
guys jes like the hero of an excitin'
Hollywood action movie.
>and what
>leads you to believe women oppose it?
Polls.
BretCahill
Message-id: <20000911192548...@ng-fu1.aol.com> writes:
. . .
>And while you're at it, Mr. Cahill, explain why you think women have a
>collective hive mind, and, unlike men, are incapable of forming *individual*
>opinions.
I never suggested *all* women oppose gun
romanticism -- just enough to give Al
Gore a safe margin in the polls.
You cannot keep Gore out of office, but
you can fight gun control in the future:
Don't let the 20% of women who are
adamantly against gun romanticism find
out you gun "rights" folk are really gun
romantics.
You can start by getting all gun
romantics to take my 2nd Amend. Test:
Second amendment test for gun "rights"
advocates:
The Second Amendment of the Bill of
Rights says:
AMENDMENT II - from the Bill of Rights:
A well-regulated militia, being necessary
to the security of a free State, the right
of the people to keep and bear arms,
shall not be infringed.
Please answer these questions:
Multiple Choice Section:
1. Convicted felons cannot invoke which
of the following const. rights listed in
the first 10 amends.?
a. all
b. none
c. freedom of speech
d. the right to a speedy trial
e. the right to keep and bear arms alone
is lost
f. the right to cruel and unusual
punishment
2. The Bill of Rights was intended as a
check against
a. state power
b. judicial power
c. federal power
d. women's rights
e. home invaders
3. How many times have the feds been
checked by individualist ownership of
arms on U. S. soil?
a. four score and 7
b. 38
c. a month of Sundays
d. twice
e. once
f. never
g. individualist ownership of guns
continuously checks government
by keeping the feds quaking in their
boots because of "violence telepathy."
The federal government has
shrunk in size and power and no
longer violates rights because the
number of guns has increased
h. not important because the framers
were just terrorists and really only
wanted to encourage random acts of
violence, not checking the feds.
4. A "well regulated" militia means
a. being efficient in shooting an ethnic
home invader right between the eyes
just like in an excitin' Hollywood
movie
b. the militia could be regulated but any
individualist had a right to shoot
any fed with any gun any way he
pleases.
c. the militia would be regulated by a
democratic elective process
d. the militia was to be regulated by
the guy with the most money
e. the militia was to be regulated by
the guy with semi auto.
5. The constitution clearly explains how
future generations were to decide
which arms are constitutional under
the 2nd amend. and which aren't.
This was to be determined by
a. a dual with muskets
b. an unemployed Hollywood actor
c. a Harvard law professor
d. the Supreme Court by hearing each
and every hardware case thereby
keeping all 800,000 lawyers busy.
e. popular vote
f. the constitution never explains this
because basic rights do not hinge on
arbitrary definitions of hardware. No
restrictions are placed on arms in
the 2nd amend.
g. a Usenet flame war
6. According to the _Federalist_ who
has "power of the sword?"
a. Tim McVeigh
b. the legislative branch
c. any individualist
d. the people
e. the executive branch
f. anyone with a sword
g. the Supreme Court when it allows
McVeigh to be executed
7. Private gun ownership rates before
the Civil War were about
a. 95%
b. 50%
c. 25%
d. 10%
e. 5%
f. what you'ld expect from watching
excitin' Hollywood movies.
g. it has never been determined
h. not important because precivil war
Americans were slaveowners and
not the intelligent enlightened
freedom loving political activists of
today's NRA.
8. Private gun ownership rates in
antibellum South were higher than the
North because
a. slaves would often try to escape
b. slavery induced a love of warfare
c. Southerners had more money and
time to spend on frivolous extras
d. we enjoy shooting at old cars
9. The chief beneficiary of the gun
debate is:
a. the rich oligarchy which will do
anything to keep the public debate
off of populist economic issues.
b gun owners
c. gun control folk
d. criminals
e. trial lawyers
f. shooting victims
g. politicians
h. a, e & g
i. FBI
10. "[T]he people" in the 2nd amendment
actually means.
a. each and every individualist
b. the people
True/False Section:
11. "[P]eople" is plural for "person". (T/F)
12. Plural is the same as singular.
(T/F)
13. An element of a set has all the
qualities, i. e. divisibility, etc., of the
set to which is belongs. (T/F)
14. The framers believed liberty was
both collective and individual in nature.
(T/F)
15. The founders made a distinction
between rights for the people and
rights for the individual. (T/F)
16. NRA lawyers often invoke the 2nd
amendment in court as well as to
raise money. (T/F)
17. You could make better use of your
time politically if you didn't spend so
much time oiling your gun and
fantacizing about a glorious gun
battle with bad guys. (T/F)
Essay question
18. How did the early Americans combat
the effects of individualism?
Jeffrey C. Dege
>
>I never suggested *all* women oppose gun
>romanticism -- just enough to give Al
>Gore a safe margin in the polls.
Hell. _I_ oppose gun romanticism. That doesn't mean I oppose guns.
And I won't be voting for Gore.
--
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the
most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under
omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep,
his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our
own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of
their consciences.
- C. S. Lewis
BretCahill
Message-id: <slrn8rscs6...@jdege.visi.com> writes:
>
>On 12 Sep 2000 13:15:11 GMT, BretCahill <bretc...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>I never suggested *all* women oppose gun
>>romanticism -- just enough to give Al
>>Gore a safe margin in the polls.
>
>Hell. _I_ oppose gun romanticism. That doesn't mean I oppose guns.
You sound just like me so far.
Now all you have to do is *demonstrate*
that you aren't a gun romantic by not
dodging my 2nd Amend. Test:
AMENDMENT II - from the Bill of Rights:
A well-regulated militia, being necessary
to the security of a free State, the right
of the people to keep and bear arms,
shall not be infringed.
Please answer these questions:
Multiple Choice Section:
1. Convicted felons cannot invoke which
of the following const. rights listed in
the first 10 amends.?
a. all
b. none
c. freedom of speech
d. the right to a speedy trial
e. the right to keep and bear arms alone
is lost
f. the right to cruel and unusual
punishment
g. the right to fantacize that you're
a hero in an excitin' Hollywood movie.
2. The Bill of Rights was intended as a
check against
a. state power
b. judicial power
c. federal power
d. women's rights
e. Hollywood home invaders
3. How many times have the feds been
checked by individualist ownership of
arms on U. S. soil?
a. four score and 7
b. 38
c. a month of Sundays
d. twice
e. once
f. never
g. individualist ownership of guns
continuously checks government
by keeping the feds quaking in their
boots because of "violence telepathy."
The federal government has
shrunk in size and power and no
longer violates rights because the
number of guns has increased
h. not important because anything can
happen in an excitin' Hollywood movie.
h. you'd know if you watched enough
excitin' Hollywood movies.
6. According to the _Federalist_ who
has "power of the sword?"
a. Tim McVeigh
b. the legislative branch
c. any individualist
d. the people
e. the executive branch
f. anyone with a sword who watched
a lot of excitin' Hollywood movies.
e. we watch more excitin' Hollywood
movies.
9. The chief beneficiary of the gun
debate is:
a. the rich oligarchy which will do
anything to keep the public debate
off of populist economic issues.
b gun owners
c. gun control folk
d. criminals
e. trial lawyers
f. shooting victims
g. politicians
h. excitin' Hollywood movie makers
i. a, e & g
j. FBI
10. "[T]he people" in the 2nd amendment
actually means.
a. each and every individualist
b. the people
True/False Section:
11. "[P]eople" is plural for "person". (T/F)
12. Plural is the same as singular.
(T/F)
13. An element of a set has all the
qualities, i. e. divisibility, etc., of the
set to which is belongs. (T/F)
14. The framers believed liberty was
both collective and individual in nature.
(T/F)
15. The founders made a distinction
between rights for the people and
rights for the individual. (T/F)
16. NRA lawyers often invoke the 2nd
amendment in court as well as to
raise money. (T/F)
17. You could make better use of your
time politically if you didn't spend so
much time oiling your gun and
fantacizing about a glorious gun
battle with bad guys just like in an
excitin' Hollywood movie. (T/F)
Jackson Harvey
> >Perhaps you could first explain what "gun romanticism" is,
>
> Sitting around oiling your gun fantacizing
> about a glorious gun battle with evil bad
> guys jes like the hero of an excitin'
> Hollywood action movie.
>
> >and what
> >leads you to believe women oppose it?
>
> Polls.
Which poll asked women if they oppose "Sitting around oiling your gun
fantacizing about a glorious gun battle with evil bad guys jes like the
hero of an excitin' Hollywood action movie?"
You wouldn't be misrepresenting the facts, would you?
Jackson Harvey
"moderate" Libertarian
Bert Hyman
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Joe Steve Swick III
___BretCahill___
14. The framers believed liberty was
both collective and individual in nature.
(T/F)
15. The founders made a distinction
between rights for the people and
rights for the individual. (T/F)
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Is this a trick question? I don't suppose libertarians like myself are too
inclined to believe that there are special "group's rights" that are somehow
or essentially different from individual rights, or that states have some
superset of rights. Let's discuss this a bit, Mr. Cahill.
Cheers,
Joe Swick
Libertarian Heretic