Cars cause Auto theft...
E Right
That's right - blame the cars.
Muleskinner
>How many of those kids ...
Cars kill far, far more kids than guns ...
"Serene" *Sheila Green* "Sagacity" [aka Word Warrior green*@tristate.pgh.net]
"Eat me, and use your head for better than the absorption of monitor radiation."
http://minyos.its.rmit.edu.au/~s8904850/wisdom.html
http://www.olympus.net/personal/pvd/LamIntro.html#Interdigitate
http://www.jenkinspublishing.com/humanure.htm
E Right
it has to do with separation of power and the fact that the people are the
seat...
your implication is that you don't either trust the constitution OR the
people which disqualifies you as a proponent of constitutional
government...or democracy.
Governments historically have led the world in mass murder, and you trust
them over the people...
Your motto: "In Government I Trust"
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~rummel/MURDER.HTM
MURDER BY GOVERNMENT web site
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~rummel/MURDER.HTM
Governments have murdered hundreds of
millions of their citizens and those under their
control. The questions are, then, how is this democide
defined, is genocide included, how many have been
killed, how do we find this out, and what sources can
be used?
DEATH BY GOVERNMENT - By R.J. Rummel
New Brunswick, N.J.:
Transaction Publishers, 1994.
CONTENTS
Figures and Tables
Forward (by Irving Louis Horowitz)
Preface
Acknowledgments
1. 169,202,000 Murdered: Summary and
Conclusions [20th Century Democide]
I BACKGROUND
2. The New Concept of Democide [Definition of
Democide]
3. Over 133,147,000 Murdered: Pre-Twentieth Century
Democide
II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS
4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime
III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS
8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse
IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS
15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia
Mal Osborne
even mentioned? I guess because as this was the only successful genocide in
history, there were no survivors left to raise the issue.
--
Malcolm Osborne
MCSE Mensa
E Right wrote in message ...
Kumar Yelubandi
> our 2nd amendment has nothing to do with sensitivity,
Nor rational process for our spacetime of 1999.
It may have been rational for the wild frontier of 1776
(or whenever the amendment was made); so I won't scold
the authors of the relevant document(s). They can only
work with knowledge of their own spacetime and immediacies
therein.
> it has to do with separation of power and the fact that the people are the
> seat...
Has nothing to do with the separation of power in post-World
War II thinking. That argument becomes obsolete the moment
the battle of winchesters is replaced by Uzi's and Kalshnikovs
versus tanks and bombs and megaton devices. No civilian militia,
however organized and/or armed to the teeth with automatic weapons
and home-made bombs...has even the slightest chance against the
incumbent forces of law and their vastly superior weapons
(qualitative and quantitative), if the forces of law ever
became hijacked by totalitarian interests. The only insurance
we have against such insurrection, is a properly established
(representative) democracy that works the way it was intended to
work, eg. through reason, not force. But if we lose at the table,
no amount of small thug weaponry (that you clowns in the NRA are
endorsing every civilian carry) will save the democracy.
But if the democracy is established, then the presence of such
small thug weaponry poses a security threat at the other end,
eg. a threat by the "people" against the "people"...more
specifically, by the small thug people against the larger group
of democratic people. And it is the democratic people that
are at the seat in a properly working democracy...not small thug
or big thug.
> your implication is that you don't either trust the constitution OR the
> people which disqualifies you as a proponent of constitutional
> government...or democracy.
Read above and reassess your equation of thug people with
democratic people; or the integration of thug people into
the democratic machinery. The equation is false; and the
integration, minimal.
> Governments historically have led the world in mass murder, and you trust
> them over the people...
Non-democratic governments are primarily responsible for mass
murder. Among the established democracies (which are recent
phenomena, btw); only the US has been involved in large-scale
politically-motivated mass murder, eg. Vietnam...and indirectly
involved in many others through CIA covert operations. Britain
and France and Belgium and a few other established democracies
also have indirect blood on their hands (eg. in their former
colonies)...but make no mistake about it, the vast majority
of mass murder is of the totalitarian, non-democratic type
(eg. communist and ethnic-nationalist and oligarchial rule).
[...]
Assuming the following numbers are true (with the understanding
they may not be....
Communist totalitarian.
> 5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
Communist totalitarian.
> 6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
Ethnonationalist totalitarianism.
> 7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime
What is this supposed to mean?
> III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS
> 8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
Imperialist monarchy.
> 9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
Socialist totalitarianism.
> 10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
Ethnic nationalism.
> 11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
American ideological agenda.
> 12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
Ethnic nationalism.
> 13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
Religious nationalism.
> 14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse
Socialist totalitarianism.
> IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS
> 15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
Socialist totalitarianism.
> 16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
Oligarchial rule.
> 17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia
Monarchial rule (you/he fails to mention the other European
monarchies, can we wonder why?)
So...how many of the above occurred with the sanction of
established democracy? One. America. The one with
the 2nd amendment supposedly in place to prevent political
insurrection.... I guess you NRA clowns tolerate political
insurrection as long as the blood effects are felt thousands
of miles away. I mean, where were you when America was
drafting its youth to fight an ideological war outside the
borders of America? No, I don't blame you then. Fact is,
there's nothing you could have done about it with your
bee bee guns against the American military-corporate complex.
It was ultimately reason triumphing over force that preserved
American democracy...the reason of the anti-war movement over
the force of the thug mentalities in government (close siblings
of the thug mentalities in the larger population, to be sure).
-zookumar-
E Right
">How many of those kids ...
"
"Cars kill far, far more kids than guns ...
and they can be used to murder too, eh xona?
Guns protect WE THE PEOPLE from government tyranny -
which by the way has the world record for mass murder...
"Government is like a fire. It is a dangerous servant and a
fearful master." -- George Washington.
"When all government domestic and foreign, in little as in great things,
shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power, it will render
powerless the checks of one government on another, and will become as
venal as the government from which we seperated." <Thomas Jefferson 1821>
Bill Ziegler
>
> Nor rational process for our spacetime of 1999.
Zooky learns a new phrase--"spacetime".....
> Has nothing to do with the separation of power in post-World
> War II thinking. That argument becomes obsolete the moment
> the battle of winchesters is replaced by Uzi's and Kalshnikovs
> versus tanks and bombs and megaton devices. No civilian militia,
Here, Zooky displays his vast knowledge of tanks, bombs, and
megaton devices. Never mind that *individuals* deploy all of the
above, and not just "could" but *would* be used by his demonized
"small thugs", just like his blessedly ordained "sanctioned thugs"...
> however organized and/or armed to the teeth with automatic weapons
> and home-made bombs...has even the slightest chance against the
> incumbent forces of law and their vastly superior weapons
> (qualitative and quantitative), if the forces of law ever
> became hijacked by totalitarian interests. The only insurance
Zooky spews the proper communtopic/Brett Kahill mantra--"you are
helpless against us--you will be assimilated".....
> no amount of small thug weaponry (that you clowns in the NRA are
> endorsing every civilian carry) will save the democracy.
You can only "vote", and do "democracy". But you aren't responsible
enough to have "small thug weaponry". No, no, only your name on
a slip of paper, or in a data-stream in the proper "spacetime"<cough>
is what Zooky is interested in. Yesirree--you "children" aren't
trustworthy--
until Zooky needs you to legitimize something for his communotopia....
> But if the democracy is established, then the presence of such
> small thug weaponry poses a security threat at the other end,
> eg. a threat by the "people" against the "people"...more
> specifically, by the small thug people against the larger group
> of democratic people. And it is the democratic people that
> are at the seat in a properly working democracy...not small thug
> or big thug.
Holy Blessed Democacy! Zooky sings the litany beautifully--"we are
borg, and the Kollective is the All, praise Saint Brett, and his ATF,
and the shot-down ICBM's, and the future glory of the Kollective.."
> Read above and reassess your equation of thug people with
> democratic people; or the integration of thug people into
> the democratic machinery. The equation is false; and the
> integration, minimal.
See, Zooky knows who all the "thug people" are, and has demonized
them, they threaten the Holy Kollective, and must be neutralized.
Then
their productivity will be harnessed, and added to the Kollective.
See
how smart he is?
> Non-democratic governments are primarily responsible for mass
Dogma, according to Saint Brett, again. Only Democracy is Good, all
else is Bad, and the very worst is Non Democratic Governments....
> murder. Among the established democracies (which are recent
> phenomena, btw); only the US has been involved in large-scale
> politically-motivated mass murder, eg. Vietnam...and indirectly
> involved in many others through CIA covert operations. Britain
> and France and Belgium and a few other established democracies
> also have indirect blood on their hands (eg. in their former
> colonies)...but make no mistake about it, the vast majority
Here, Zooky bites his own ass, posting refutations of his statement,
FOR US, and then mumbles something else, and wanders off into
a different tangent...
> It was ultimately reason triumphing over force that preserved
> American democracy...the reason of the anti-war movement over
> the force of the thug mentalities in government (close siblings
> of the thug mentalities in the larger population, to be sure).
Finally---Zooky knows that the "thugs" are in the "larger population",
and wants all their votes counted *his* way, and discounted if they
are "bad". Zooky sees thugs *everywhere*, and is far superior to
them--
at least in his own private "spacetime"......
[AUTOSIG 1.0] Message Composed= Apr 29, 1999 @ 19:00:47 CTZ
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it. -- Kernighan
Toxic Tejay
>>How many of those kids ...
> Cars kill far, far more kids than guns ...
And in Australia, for example, the ratio of deaths due to cars versus guns
is even greater! So what? Whats you point Sheila? ;)
Cars, are not designed solely to kill, whereas guns are pretty much
useless for anything other than killing. The majority of deaths caused
*with* the use of cars are 'accidents', as in those majority of cases the
driver did not sit behind the deadly weapon with the intent to kill, but
to drive for tranpsort. I reiterate, the majority, don't bring forth any
red herrings, or any other fishy cases. Guns on the other hand, are an
efficient pointable destructive weapon.
Cars alone are not a cause of auto theft, but without cars car theft
cannot exist. Therefore, cars are as essential to car theft as thieves are
essential for the survival of the multibillion dollar security/insurance
industry. Guess which set of thieves you give your hard earned money to
willingly. ;)
> "Serene" *Sheila Green* "Sagacity" [aka Word Warrior green*@tristate.pgh.net]
> "Eat me, and use your head for better than the absorption of monitor radiation."
--
Toxic Tejay, s890..
"Some people feel they own the rights to self-importance, or they
put some arbitrary personal stake on outcomes well beyond their
sphere of influence." --- Sheila Green.
Toxic Tejay
> xona wrote:
Heheh! ;->
> ">How many of those kids ...
> "
> "Cars kill far, far more kids than guns ...
> and they can be used to murder too, eh xona?
God your fucking clueless! Xona and Sheila are two different entities,
and cars are really inefficient for killing purposes as compared to guns.
With guns, you dont even have to drive the bullet/missile, can be fired
from a vantage point for snipers (unlike cars), and apparently in your
state of insanity, it can be pruchsed for far less money too.
> Guns protect WE THE PEOPLE from government tyranny -
From our perspective, you need protection from youselves ;)
Straight jackets, padded cells, mouth guards,...
> which by the way has the world record for mass murder...
And how many of your own people, killed by your own people is in that
record? ;) Bunch of uncivilised warrior folks.
Mal Osborne
Toxic Tejay <}@|.=^)> wrote in message 7gbsfv$5pi$1...@aggedor.rmit.edu.au...
[Topiary type snipping]
>
>And in Australia, for example, the ratio of deaths due to cars versus guns
>is even greater! So what? Whats you point Sheila? ;)
>
Considering the last Olympic games, the fact that most gun deaths are
accidents caused by incompetant use, and having watched Mad Max, it could
just mean that us Aussies shoot a lot better than we drive! :)
--
Malcolm Osborne
MCSE Mensa (Australian)
E Right
"Interesting site! Why is the Genocide of the Tasmanian Aboriginal race not
"even mentioned? I guess because as this was the only successful genocide in
"history, there were no survivors left to raise the issue. --Malcolm Osborne
"MCSE Mensa
"
ER> I guess you are mentioning it now, though you could fill in the details...
"E Right wrote in message ...
">our 2nd amendment has nothing to do with sensitivity,
">
">it has to do with separation of power and the fact that the people are the
">seat...
">
">your implication is that you don't either trust the constitution OR the
">people which disqualifies you as a proponent of constitutional
">government...or democracy.
">
">Governments historically have led the world in mass murder, and you trust
">them over the people...
">
"> 5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
"> 6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
"> 7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime
">
">III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS
">
"> 8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
"> 9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
"> 10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
"> 11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
"> 12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
"> 13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
"> 14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse
">
">IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS
">
"> 15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
"> 16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
E Right
"Bit difficult to find a lot of good info, but here are a few links:
"
"Fairly Unbiased Historical Account
"http://www.ni.com.au/mercury/eye/3.htm
"
"Tourist Brochure, A "Sanitized" version of events
"http://www.tas.gov.au/tasfaq/people/aborig.html
"
"Newspaper Articles
"http://smh.com.au/news/9902/22/pageone/pageone7.html
"
"http://www.smh.com.au/news/9902/24/text/features1.html
"
"We have some nasty skeletons in our closet!!!! Significantly, there were no
"survivors of the Tasmanian Genocide, anyone left was either part white, or
"part mainland Aboriginal. Anyone know of any other Genocide that has been
"this successful?
"
"--
"Malcolm Osborne
"MCSE Mensa
"
A Vietnamese once told me that there was a race living in Vietnam a long
time ago(?) who were 'wiped out' by a northern (i.e. from China) race who
now occupy Vietnam... (who still don't like China either) I think they
were pushed south by the Chinese.... anyone else know anything about this
Mike Doll
Mal Osborne wrote:
> Bit difficult to find a lot of good info, but here are a few links:
>
> Fairly Unbiased Historical Account
> http://www.ni.com.au/mercury/eye/3.htm
>
> Tourist Brochure, A "Sanitized" version of events
> http://www.tas.gov.au/tasfaq/people/aborig.html
>
> Newspaper Articles
> http://smh.com.au/news/9902/22/pageone/pageone7.html
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/news/9902/24/text/features1.html
>
> We have some nasty skeletons in our closet!!!! Significantly, there were no
> survivors of the Tasmanian Genocide, anyone left was either part white, or
> part mainland Aboriginal. Anyone know of any other Genocide that has been
> this successful?
>
> --
> Malcolm Osborne
> MCSE Mensa
How about the island of Newfoundland? With the
British and French both supplying their "loyal Indian
allies" with "modern" weapons, the band which had
inhabited the island was wiped off the face of the
earth. It's been a while since I took this in history,
so don't know which side's supporters (with help,
no doubt) did it.
--
Mike Doll
"It is not enough to have a good mind;
the main thing is to use it well."
Rene Descartes