Teabagging rightard condemns teabagging rightard for NRA shitbagger comment

[Jigaboo Rice]

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/07/21/560791/mayor-bloomberg-slams-tea-party-congressman-for-gun-comments/

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is condemning Tea Party Congressman
Louie Gohmert (R-TX) for suggesting on Friday that the Colorado
theater massacre could have been prevented if moviegoers had been
armed.

---
Jigaboo Rice, because white is unhealthy!
Elmer Fudd: You got ta get up pwetty early in the mawning to outsmart me!
Buggs Bunny: Okay, doc, how does 7:30 work out for ya?

[Mike Painter]

Brilliant thinking.
In a dark theater it is so easy to identify gun flashes from the bad
guys, thus not shooting the good guy standing in front of you shooting
at the guy on his left who is shooting at the guy to his left, who is...

[azjohn]

On 7/21/2012 12:14 PM, Jigaboo Rice wrote:

It certainly could have stopped the massacre. Unfortunately you liberals
think that whining and crying will save you.
You must be a real coward. All you girly men are cowards, damn.

[azjohn]

Wow, you are so good at scenarios, you must have been there. Wow. Maybe
you could gave begged your way out of a jam.

[Bradley K Sherman]

"Jigaboo Rice" <k.chel...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d6ydnQbgDJXhYpfN...@posted.sonicnet...

> http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/07/21/560791/mayor-bloomberg-slams-tea-party-congressman-for-gun-comments/
>
> New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is condemning Tea Party Congressman
> Louie Gohmert (R-TX) for suggesting on Friday that the Colorado
> theater massacre could have been prevented if moviegoers had been
> armed.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/328955/28/Elderly-man-fends-off-robbers-at-internet-cafe-

WESH - A customer at an Ocala, Florida Internet cafe stopped a stick-up by
shooting one of the suspected robbers.

Investigators said the customer sprang into action when two armed men burst
into the Palms Internet Cafe on Friday night.

One of the men had a gun and the other was armed with a baseball bat.

The two apparently demanded money from the 30 people inside, according to
officers.

But one of the customers decided to fight back.

"This guy kept popping. He didn't stop. He just kept popping. I think he
shot both of them and then they managed to get out of the door and started
scrambling out the door, but we were so shocked," customer Neville Allison
said. "We couldn't hardly move."

Police said the customer was 71-year-old Samuel Williams who fired his gun
at the robbers and then chased them out of the door.

The suspects ran out the door after they were shot.

Investigators tracked them down at Shands Hospital.

One of the suspects, Davis Dawkins, 19, told investigators that he was
forced to participate in the robbery.

He used to work at the cafe.

The other suspect, Duwayne Henderson, 19, is still in the hospital.

The two face attempted armed burglary charges.

WESH

[Mike Painter]

I fully realize that most people miss most of the time in a fire fight,
but frequently, while they probably will miss what they are shooting at
they will hit others.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:2-WdnZE8Bb2LiZbN...@giganews.com...

Typical simplistic response from a simpleton
In the future. please try to engage brain BEFORE typing.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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>
>
> I fully realize that most people miss most of the time in a fire fight,
> but frequently, while they probably will miss what they are shooting at
> they will hit others.

Funny how in the US, law-abiding citizens shoot more than double the number
of criminals that police do.
At the same time the police shoot nearly 6 times the number of innocent
bystanders that citizens do.
Too bad the data makes your claim spurious

[Oglethorpe]

"Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:2-WdnZE8Bb2LiZbN...@giganews.com...

THe "bad guy" is the guy who's shooting people. Pretty easy to locate.

[Mike Painter]

Your idea of data is meaningless. Stick with meaningless religious talk.

How many of those law abiding citizens shoot innocent bystanders and
how many of them shoot when they should not?

Perhaps as a Christian you missed the day when it was pointed out that
life is worth more than property or perhaps you just want to maintain
the law.
Kill them or enslave them or charge them money.

[James]

"azjohn" <hab...@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:juf9bh$t4c$3...@wieslauf.sub.de

I'm sure dems are already composing another gun bill. It happens every
time there is a dramatic shooting.

[Olrik]

Le 2012-07-21 21:41, SaPeIsMa a �crit :

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tucson_shooting>

[SaPeIsMa]

"Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:8ZGdnauFPuHb9pbN...@giganews.com...

> On 7/21/2012 6:41 PM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>
>> "Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:cO2dnWzVrYWy1JbN...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> I fully realize that most people miss most of the time in a fire
>>> fight, but frequently, while they probably will miss what they are
>>> shooting at they will hit others.
>>
>> Funny how in the US, law-abiding citizens shoot more than double the
>> number of criminals that police do.
>> At the same time the police shoot nearly 6 times the number of
>> innocent bystanders that citizens do.
>> Too bad the data makes your claim spurious
>>
>>
> Your idea of data is meaningless. Stick with meaningless religious talk.
>

Fine, dummy
Prove me wrong

> How many of those law abiding citizens shoot innocent bystanders and how
> many of them shoot when they should not?
>

Feel free to educate yourself on your own time
Not my job

> Perhaps as a Christian

What makes you imagine that I'm a Christian ??
Making stupid assumptions is a good way to fail with rational thought
That does explain your repeated failures here...

> you missed the day when it was pointed out that life is worth more than
> property or perhaps you just want to maintain the law.

More logical errors
My life is worth more than the life of any thug who wishes to endanger
it
My property was earned with my sweat and time
And my time is a unique NON-renewable resource, of limited and unkown
quantity
If you wish to steal my property, you are effectively stealing my life

> Kill them or enslave them or charge them money.

My, my.
You're not only ignorant, and presumptuous but a bigot too..
What a non-surprise.

[SaPeIsMa]

"James" <king...@iglou.com> wrote in message
news:500b6e16$0$8338$d94e...@news.iglou.com...

Good
It will give us another list of Dems to vote out of office.

[Mike Painter]

On 7/22/2012 8:42 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>
> "Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:8ZGdnauFPuHb9pbN...@giganews.com...
>> On 7/21/2012 6:41 PM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>>
>>> "Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:cO2dnWzVrYWy1JbN...@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I fully realize that most people miss most of the time in a fire
>>>> fight, but frequently, while they probably will miss what they are
>>>> shooting at they will hit others.
>>>
>>> Funny how in the US, law-abiding citizens shoot more than double the
>>> number of criminals that police do.
>>> At the same time the police shoot nearly 6 times the number of
>>> innocent bystanders that citizens do.
>>> Too bad the data makes your claim spurious
>>>
>>>
>> Your idea of data is meaningless. Stick with meaningless religious talk.
>>
>
> Fine, dummy
> Prove me wrong
>
>
>
>> How many of those law abiding citizens shoot innocent bystanders and
>> how many of them shoot when they should not?
>>
>
> Feel free to educate yourself on your own time
> Not my job

You made a claim based on no evidence. If it is your "job" to tell us "

law-abiding citizens shoot more than double the number of criminals that

police do.", you should take some pride in your work and provide
information, not bigoted sound bites.


Incidentally, There are are about 800,000 LEO's in the USA if you count
the feds. There are about 300,000,000 people.

Without more information the comparison is meaningless but I'm making a
WAG that cops shoot far more on a per capita basis then citizens do.

>
>> Perhaps as a Christian
>
> What makes you imagine that I'm a Christian ??
> Making stupid assumptions is a good way to fail with rational thought
> That does explain your repeated failures here...

Admit it or deny it.

>
>
>
>> you missed the day when it was pointed out that life is worth more
>> than property or perhaps you just want to maintain the law.
>
> More logical errors
> My life is worth more than the life of any thug who wishes to
> endanger it
> My property was earned with my sweat and time
> And my time is a unique NON-renewable resource, of limited and
> unkown quantity
> If you wish to steal my property, you are effectively stealing my life
>

Apparently you have a problem with the difference between a life and a
light bulb.

Lucky for us our society does not agree with you and the law is fairly
specific on that.

[Jigaboo Rice]

Mike Painter <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On 7/21/2012 12:14 PM, Jigaboo Rice wrote:
>> http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/07/21/560791/mayor-bloomberg-slams-tea-party-congressman-for-gun-comments/
>> New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is condemning Tea Party Congressman
>> Louie Gohmert (R-TX) for suggesting on Friday that the Colorado
>> theater massacre could have been prevented if moviegoers had been
>> armed.

>Brilliant thinking.
>In a dark theater it is so easy to identify gun flashes from the bad
>guys, thus not shooting the good guy standing in front of you shooting
>at the guy on his left who is shooting at the guy to his left, who is...

The Republidiot teabagger brain at work, amazing, huh? Now instead of
having one shooter to deal with and avoid there are a dozen fucking NRA
shitbags shooting up the place. That's so much better.

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Jigaboo Rice, because white rice is unhealthy!

[Jigaboo Rice]

Mike Painter <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On 7/21/2012 12:14 PM, Jigaboo Rice wrote:
>> http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/07/21/560791/mayor-bloomberg-slams-tea-party-congressman-for-gun-comments/
>> New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is condemning Tea Party Congressman
>> Louie Gohmert (R-TX) for suggesting on Friday that the Colorado
>> theater massacre could have been prevented if moviegoers had been
>> armed.

>Brilliant thinking.
>In a dark theater it is so easy to identify gun flashes from the bad
>guys, thus not shooting the good guy standing in front of you shooting
>at the guy on his left who is shooting at the guy to his left, who is...

Also in addition to more deaths resulting there is also the added effort
of the law enforcement aftermath, the need to match every dead body with
the bullets that killed them coming from a dozen shitting NRA morons,
making sure that every NRA shitbag is charged with the correct number of
murders.

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[Jigaboo Rice]

azjohn <hab...@nothere.com> wrote:
>On 7/21/2012 1:41 PM, Mike Painter wrote:
>> On 7/21/2012 12:14 PM, Jigaboo Rice wrote:
>>> http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/07/21/560791/mayor-bloomberg-slams-tea-party-congressman-for-gun-comments/
>>> New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is condemning Tea Party Congressman
>>> Louie Gohmert (R-TX) for suggesting on Friday that the Colorado
>>> theater massacre could have been prevented if moviegoers had been
>>> armed.

>> Brilliant thinking.
>> In a dark theater it is so easy to identify gun flashes from the bad
>> guys, thus not shooting the good guy standing in front of you shooting
>> at the guy on his left who is shooting at the guy to his left, who is...
>Wow, you are so good at scenarios, you must have been there. Wow. Maybe
>you could gave begged your way out of a jam.

And with Christianic Republican shitpiles like you running around armed,
innocent people have *another* heavily armed domestic terrorist to beg
not to shoot.

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Jigaboo Rice, because white rice is unhealthy!

[Jigaboo Rice]

azjohn <hab...@nothere.com> wrote:
>On 7/21/2012 12:14 PM, Jigaboo Rice wrote:
>> http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/07/21/560791/mayor-bloomberg-slams-tea-party-congressman-for-gun-comments/
>> New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is condemning Tea Party Congressman
>> Louie Gohmert (R-TX) for suggesting on Friday that the Colorado
>> theater massacre could have been prevented if moviegoers had been
>> armed.

>It certainly could have stopped the massacre.

It *never* has before. Not once. Never in the history of mass murdering
Christian shitpile shootings has the presence of a secondary armed
non-law-enforcement NRA shitbag made any difference.

---
Jigaboo Rice, because white rice is unhealthy!

[azjohn]

So better to let the guy reload and reload and reload. You are the type
that whats to appease an enemy so as not to piss him off.

[azjohn]

> Perhaps as a Christian you missed the day when it was pointed out that
> life is worth more than property or perhaps you just want to maintain
> the law.
> Kill them or enslave them or charge them money.

You asshole liberal girly men make such good arm chair theorists.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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So you're too stupid or lazy to even use Google ?
http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm
(George F. Will, "Are We 'a Nation of Cowards'?," Newsweek (15 November
1993):93. )
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/1993/11/14/are-we-a-nation-of-cowards.html

Didn't take me more than 30 seconds to get it

>
> Incidentally, There are are about 800,000 LEO's in the USA if you count
> the feds. There are about 300,000,000 people.
>

WOW !
What an impressive factoid
Too bad it's just meaningless

> Without more information the comparison is meaningless but I'm making a
> WAG that cops shoot far more on a per capita basis then citizens do.
>

Far more what ?
Themselves
Yes they do
Nearly 6 times the innocent bystanders that citizens do
Yes they do

But thanks for demonstrating that you are also willing to skew the data by
trying to play with per capita.

>>
>>> Perhaps as a Christian
>>
>> What makes you imagine that I'm a Christian ??
>> Making stupid assumptions is a good way to fail with rational thought
>> That does explain your repeated failures here...
>
> Admit it or deny it.

Why ?
What business is if of yours ?

You make the accusation, shithead
YOU PROVE IT

>>
>>
>>
>>> you missed the day when it was pointed out that life is worth more
>>> than property or perhaps you just want to maintain the law.
>>
>> More logical errors
>> My life is worth more than the life of any thug who wishes to
>> endanger it
>> My property was earned with my sweat and time
>> And my time is a unique NON-renewable resource, of limited and
>> unkown quantity
>> If you wish to steal my property, you are effectively stealing my
>> life
>>
> Apparently you have a problem with the difference between a life and a
> light bulb.
>

Actually, you do, I don't
A person who has no respect for someone else to threaten them to steal their
property is worth far less than a light bulb in their own eyes
And if they threaten me or mine, they in effect give me the right to
decide what they are worth and what they deserve as a response

> Lucky for us our society does not agree with you and the law is fairly
> specific on that.
>

LOL
"the law is suspicious" of NOTHING, you idiot
And the law is quite clear of how much force an individual can use if they
are in fear of injury or death, or if they are victims of a felonious crime.
And by the way, theft of more than $50 in value IS a felony.

Before you spout your ignorance of the law, you might be wise to study up on
it.

[azjohn]

Fortunately, most states allow concealed carry.

[azjohn]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tucson_shooting>

Wikipedia is not a valid source of information and never a source for
facts. Like this NG, it is written by readers.

[RD Sandman]

Mike Painter <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in

news:cO2dnWzVrYWy1JbN...@giganews.com:

Yes, but let's leave the police and the military out of this.

--

If you hear me yell, "Eject! Eject! Eject!"
The last two will be echoes......

If you stop to ask "Why?" You will be talking to
yourself because you just became the pilot.


Sleep well, tonight.....

[RD Sandman]

Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:juftva$eu6$1...@dont-email.me:

Was there something specific you wished to point out?

[Christopher A. Lee]

The gun-wanker is incapable of thinking the obvious.

[Christopher A. Lee]

What a fucking moron, a liar as well as anidiot.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:54:50 -0700, azjohn <hab...@nothere.com> wrote:

>
>So better to let the guy reload and reload and reload. You are the type
>that whats to appease an enemy so as not to piss him off.

Yet another pig-ignorant redneck lying about those who disagree, by
inventig amateur-psychologised falsehoods as "reasons".

[Olrik]

Le 2012-07-22 15:03, RD Sandman a �crit :

> Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:juftva$eu6$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> Le 2012-07-21 21:41, SaPeIsMa a �crit :
>>>
>>> "Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>> news:cO2dnWzVrYWy1JbN...@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I fully realize that most people miss most of the time in a fire
>>>> fight, but frequently, while they probably will miss what they are
>>>> shooting at they will hit others.
>>>
>>> Funny how in the US, law-abiding citizens shoot more than double the
>>> number of criminals that police do.
>>> At the same time the police shoot nearly 6 times the number of
>>> innocent bystanders that citizens do.
>>> Too bad the data makes your claim spurious
>>
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tucson_shooting>
>>
>
> Was there something specific you wished to point out?
>

Yup. There were plenty of people there with guns. It didn't make any
difference in the outcome.

[SkyEyes]

On Jul 22, 9:25 pm, Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Le 2012-07-22 15:03, RD Sandman a crit :
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:juftva$eu6$1...@dont-email.me:

>
> >> Le 2012-07-21 21:41, SaPeIsMa a crit :
>

> >>> "Mike Painter" <md.pain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

> >>>news:cO2dnWzVrYWy1JbN...@giganews.com...
>
> >>>> I fully realize that most people miss most of the time in a fire
> >>>> fight, but frequently, while they probably will miss what they are
> >>>> shooting at they will hit others.
>
> >>> Funny how in the US, law-abiding citizens shoot more than double the
> >>> number of criminals that police do.
> >>>      At the same time the police shoot nearly 6 times the number of
> >>> innocent bystanders that citizens do.
> >>> Too bad the data makes your claim spurious
>
> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tucson_shooting>
>
> > Was there something specific you wished to point out?
>
> Yup. There were plenty of people there with guns. It didn't make any
> difference in the outcome.

No, it didn't. One guy was carrying, pulled his gun, and drew a bead
- on the little old lady who had taken the replacement magazine out of
Loughner's hands so he couldn't reload. The guy who drew his gun said
he nearly threw up when he realized he was aiming *not* at the real
gunman, but at a heroic bystander who was helping. And yes, he was
thoroughly trained in gun ownership and self-defense. He testified
here on local TV that having a gun in that situation really wasn't
much of a help. The two people who helped were the little old lady
who took the mag away from Loughner, and another bystander or two who
tackled him and brought him down.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[SaPeIsMa]

"SkyEyes" <skye...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:62927902-0a66-4366...@l6g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...

Wrong on a couple of counts
1) IT was not some "little old lady" who had picked up Loughner's gun
2) Zamudio did NOT point his gun at anyone
<http://shootingforliberty.org/?p=289>
"3) The armed citizen who entered the scene that day did not
"almost shoot the wrong guy." I encourage you to listen
to him speak about the incident on the ProArms Podcast.
Zamudio explains that he never removed his gun from
his pocket. He came upon the scene when Loughner was
on the ground struggling with a group of people, one of
whom had been wounded. Zamudio saw an individual
holding Loughner's gun with the slide locked back.
The individual was not facing Zamudio. He felt that
the person was not a significant threat so he ordered
them to put the gun on the ground which they immediately
did. At no time did Zamudio deploy his firearm.
After learning that the person he had encountered was
not a danger, he helped to hold Loughner on the ground
until the police arrived, some four minutes later.
Slate and The LA Times took some of Zamudio's statements
out of context and hyped other statements to try and make
the situation seem more precarious than it actually was.
To be sure, the situation was dangerous. Zamudio arrived
on the scene with little information and was forced to make
some very difficult choices very quickly.
Is it possible that someone else would have screwed up.
Of course it is! Then again, it is perhaps just as likely that
an off-duty cop arriving on the scene with the same amount
of information would have made the wrong choice.
Yet I don't hear anyone arguing that the police should be
disarmed.
The reality is that an armed citizen, even with no formal
training,
made all the right choices and managed to contribute
to a positive outcome - i.e. Loughner winding up behind bars.
Engaging in "what if" analysis is useful to a point, but it
should
not take away from the reality of what actually happened. "

[Kumbaya Flauerpower]

k.chel...@yahoo.com (Jigaboo Rice) wrote in
news:aoOdnXt5tf591ZHN...@posted.sonicnet:

> The Republidiot teabagger brain at work, amazing, huh? Now instead of
> having one shooter to deal with and avoid there are a dozen fucking
> NRA shitbags shooting up the place. That's so much better.

Actually, most Tea Party members don't like the Republicans much more than
they like the Democrats, but don't let a little reality screw up your day.


--
"If you�ve got a business. you didn�t build that."

(Barack Obama, expressing his contempt for American
business on July 14, 2012)

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 13:52:14 +0000 (UTC), Kumbaya Flauerpower
<nora_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>k.chel...@yahoo.com (Jigaboo Rice) wrote in
>news:aoOdnXt5tf591ZHN...@posted.sonicnet:
>
>
>> The Republidiot teabagger brain at work, amazing, huh? Now instead of
>> having one shooter to deal with and avoid there are a dozen fucking
>> NRA shitbags shooting up the place. That's so much better.
>
>Actually, most Tea Party members don't like the Republicans much more than
>they like the Democrats, but don't let a little reality screw up your day.

They "think" what few mainstream Republicans are left, are too
liberal.

[Oglethorpe]

"Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:8ZGdnauFPuHb9pbN...@giganews.com...

> On 7/21/2012 6:41 PM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>
>> "Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:cO2dnWzVrYWy1JbN...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> I fully realize that most people miss most of the time in a fire
>>> fight, but frequently, while they probably will miss what they are
>>> shooting at they will hit others.
>>
>> Funny how in the US, law-abiding citizens shoot more than double the
>> number of criminals that police do.
>> At the same time the police shoot nearly 6 times the number of
>> innocent bystanders that citizens do.
>> Too bad the data makes your claim spurious
>>
>>
> Your idea of data is meaningless. Stick with meaningless religious talk.
>
> How many of those law abiding citizens shoot innocent bystanders and how
> many of them shoot when they should not?

Armed citizens have a beter record with guns than police, dipshit.

>
> Perhaps as a Christian you missed the day when it was pointed out that
> life is worth more than property or perhaps you just want to maintain the
> law.
> Kill them or enslave them or charge them money.

Where I live murder, robbery, ect. are against the law. Shooting crooks in
self defense or in the defense of others is not.

[RD Sandman]

Mike Painter <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in

news:-bydnaaOOJ0pp5HN...@giganews.com:

Not with concealed carry permits which was the topic. About 3% on
average of the general population has a carry permit. In some states
that number may rise to about 4.5% and in other states it will drop to
about 1-2%. Four states do not require a permit to carry concealed:
Alaska, Arizona, Vermont and Wyoming. Also some parts of Montana do not
require a permit.

> Without more information the comparison is meaningless but I'm making
> a WAG that cops shoot far more on a per capita basis then citizens do.

Depends on how you mean that. Most CCW holders are also hobbyists. They
do a lot of shooting. Unfortunately, many cops look at their gun as
something that just goes with the job and only take it out of the holster
for their annual qualification.

>>> Perhaps as a Christian
>>
>> What makes you imagine that I'm a Christian ??
>> Making stupid assumptions is a good way to fail with rational
>> thought
>> That does explain your repeated failures here...
>
> Admit it or deny it.
>>
>>
>>
>>> you missed the day when it was pointed out that life is worth more
>>> than property or perhaps you just want to maintain the law.
>>
>> More logical errors
>> My life is worth more than the life of any thug who wishes to
>> endanger it
>> My property was earned with my sweat and time
>> And my time is a unique NON-renewable resource, of limited and
>> unkown quantity
>> If you wish to steal my property, you are effectively stealing my
>> life
>>
> Apparently you have a problem with the difference between a life and a
> light bulb.
>
> Lucky for us our society does not agree with you and the law is fairly
> specific on that.

Actually, per Gallup, society does agree with him and I don't know what
law you are referring to. Can you be a little more specific? ;)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-
1993.aspx

[RD Sandman]

Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:juijnm$shh$1...@dont-email.me:

Oh? Who? It was a Democrat get together and no law enforcement was
present. One known CCW holder, Joe Zamudio, was in the Walgreens next
door and when he got there it was over and Loughner was on the ground.

[RD Sandman]

SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote in news:62927902-0a66-4366-8ba0-
e5944f...@l6g2000pbi.googlegroups.com:

> On Jul 22, 9:25�pm, Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Le 2012-07-22 15:03, RD Sandman a crit :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:juftva$eu6$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>> >> Le 2012-07-21 21:41, SaPeIsMa a crit :
>>
>> >>> "Mike Painter" <md.pain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >>>news:cO2dnWzVrYWy1JbN...@giganews.com...
>>
>> >>>> I fully realize that most people miss most of the time in a fire
>> >>>> fight, but frequently, while they probably will miss what they
are
>> >>>> shooting at they will hit others.
>>
>> >>> Funny how in the US, law-abiding citizens shoot more than double
the
>> >>> number of criminals that police do.
>> >>> � � �At the same time the police shoot nearly 6 times the numbe
> r of
>> >>> innocent bystanders that citizens do.
>> >>> Too bad the data makes your claim spurious
>>
>> >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tucson_shooting>
>>
>> > Was there something specific you wished to point out?
>>
>> Yup. There were plenty of people there with guns. It didn't make any
>> difference in the outcome.
>
> No, it didn't. One guy was carrying, pulled his gun, and drew a bead
> - on the little old lady who had taken the replacement magazine out of
> Loughner's hands so he couldn't reload.

No, he didn't.

The guy who drew his gun said
> he nearly threw up when he realized he was aiming *not* at the real
> gunman, but at a heroic bystander who was helping.

Yes, but it was not the lady with the magazine. She was on the ground.
The person he pointed his gun at had Loughner's gun in his hand and
Loughner had already been disarmed.

And yes, he was
> thoroughly trained in gun ownership and self-defense. He testified
> here on local TV that having a gun in that situation really wasn't
> much of a help.

For a couple of reasons. People were milling all over, who was who was
not clear (a problem that would have also been presented to a police
officer arriving on the scene), and he saw a person with a gun in his
hand. Cool heads prevailed, including Joe's, and no harm was done by a
CCW holder.

The two people who helped were the little old lady
> who took the mag away from Loughner,

Patricia Maisch (the woman's name) had already been shot and was on the
ground. She grabbed it when Loughner dropped it trying to reload. Two
other men were also tackling Loughner and bringing him down to earth.

and another bystander or two who
> tackled him and brought him down.
>
> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
> BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
> EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
> skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
>

[RD Sandman]

"SaPeIsMa" <Sape...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:juj8f8$tfe$1...@dont-email.me:

That is mostly correct. His (Zamudio) statement was that he was prepared
to pull his gun but when the person holding the gun was identified as a
good guy, he did not. Of course, whether he pulled his gun or not
depends on which interview with Zamudio you listen to. Directly after
the shooting he alluded that he had pulled the gun but learned that the
guy he yelled at to "drop it" was one of the good guys who had disarmed
Loughner who was on the ground. Zamudio also helped hold Loughner down
until police arrived.

[RD Sandman]

"SaPeIsMa" <Sape...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:juj8f8$tfe$1...@dont-email.me:

>

> "SkyEyes" <skye...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:62927902-0a66-4366...@l6g2000pbi.googlegroups.com..
> .
>> On Jul 22, 9:25 pm, Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yup. There were plenty of people there with guns. It didn't make any
>>> difference in the outcome.
>>
>> No, it didn't. One guy was carrying, pulled his gun, and drew a bead
>> - on the little old lady who had taken the replacement magazine out
>> of Loughner's hands so he couldn't reload. The guy who drew his gun
>> said he nearly threw up when he realized he was aiming *not* at the
>> real gunman, but at a heroic bystander who was helping. And yes, he
>> was thoroughly trained in gun ownership and self-defense. He
>> testified here on local TV that having a gun in that situation really
>> wasn't much of a help. The two people who helped were the little old
>> lady who took the mag away from Loughner, and another bystander or
>> two who tackled him and brought him down.
>>
>
>
> Wrong on a couple of counts
> 1) IT was not some "little old lady" who had picked up Loughner's
> gun

It was a "little old lady" named Patricia Maisch who had already been
shot and was on the ground when she grabbed the magazine Loughner lost
control of when trying to reload.

Mostly true.....some minor errors.

[Kumbaya Flauerpower]

Christopher A. Lee <chrisl...@comcast.net> wrote in
news:iioq08pov84859f1l...@4ax.com:

And they are correct. Neither party has done anything meaningful with
respect to cutting spending or reducing the debt.

Democrats make the mistake of assuming that the Tea Party is a Republican
group, and that simply is not true.

Tea Party folks don't give a damn what party these greedy, self-serving
politicians are in - they have to GO.

[Mike Painter]

On 7/23/2012 11:17 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
> Not with concealed carry permits which was the topic. About 3% on
> average of the general population has a carry permit. In some states
> that number may rise to about 4.5% and in other states it will drop to
> about 1-2%. Four states do not require a permit to carry concealed:
> Alaska, Arizona, Vermont and Wyoming. Also some parts of Montana do not
> require a permit.

What makes you think that all these shooting came about as a result of
some one with a concealed carry permit?

Even if true and we go with your average 9,000,000 is greater than 800,000.

[Mike Painter]

And of course you can show that Zamudio was the only one with a gun and
that he was in fact the one mentioned by SkyEyes.

[RD Sandman]

Mike Painter <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in

news:47idnWFKm7KnNpDN...@giganews.com:

This is the statistic he was thinking of:

"Only 2% of shootings by civilians, but 11% of shootings by police,
involved an innocent person mistakenly thought to be a criminal. [145]"

[145] Silver & Kates, supra.

" Analyzing the data from over 180,000 crime incidents in the National
Crime Survey, as well from other studies, Kleck found the following:

- In no more than 1% of defensive gun uses was the gun taken
away by a criminal.

*** - The odds of a defensive gun user accidentally killing an
innocent person are less than 1 in 26,000. ***

- For robbery and assault victims, the lowest injury rates
(17.4% for robberies, and 12.1% for assaults) were among
victims who resisted with a gun.

- The next lowest injury rates were among persons who did not
resist. Other forms of resistance (such as shouting for help,
or using a knife), had higher injury rates than either passive
compliance or resistance with a gun. [147]

[147] Kleck, pp. 120-26.

http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/kdowst/competen.html

I have seen it several times but had to go and find a reference for you.

[RD Sandman]

Mike Painter <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:pO-
dnRNWLpuNJpDNn...@giganews.com:

> On 7/23/2012 3:19 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>
>> "SkyEyes" <skye...@cox.net> wrote in message

>> news:62927902-0a66-4366-8ba0-e5944f662298

There was only one *known* carrier of a firearm at that meet-n-greet. It
was a Democratic get together which certainly reduces the chances that
there were more than one or two there. The was no law enforcment
presence and the only known permit holder, particularly who did anything
like what Skyeyes referred to. His name was Joe Zamudio. Since he was
the only known holder, you can be pretty sure that is who she was
referring to.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:pO-dnRNWLpuNJpDN...@giganews.com...

Do your own fucking research you ignoramus
There was no other CCW identified at the scene
If there was another one there, he/she did not come forward to be identified

Unlike you, I stick to the facts available
You should try it sometime

[Jigaboo Rice]

azjohn <hab...@nothere.com> wrote:

>So better to let the guy reload and reload and reload. You are the type
>that whats to appease an enemy so as not to piss him off.

This shitbag Christian doesn't realize that the NRA and its cult
flollowers *are* the enemy.

---
Jigaboo Rice, because white rice is unhealthy!