Why are there so many healthy looking people with disability tags..

[Lame Bryant]

..and vote for Obama stickers on their cars?

[Paul Ryan]

On Aug 31, 5:01 am, "Lame Bryant" <l...@bryant.ke> wrote:
> ..and vote for Obama stickers on their cars?

Why are there so many Jewish people who want to buy Gold on TV?

Why do they vote Obama? Why don't black people vote Republican?
Are they racists?

I'm confused.

[Paul Ryan]

A poll before the 2008 election said that over 60% of Americans
considered themselves "Conservatives".

Why didn't they vote for the Panamanian and Sarah Palin?

I'm more confused.

[Paul Ryan]

Why didn't former Governor Romney declare himself "The Next George
Bush" or "The Next Ronald Reagan"?

How is he going to win the confidence of the people if he doesn't say
so?

[Barry Bruyea]

Then you must be a democrat. Will Rogers knew it, why don't you?

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Paul Ryan <gare...@ymail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>I'm more confused.

Thanks for letting us know.

[Fred Hall]

Where did Topaz run off to? Did he finally follow Hitler's
example and kill himself?
--
August 2012 nominations:
http://blackhelicopternews.blogspot.com/2012/08/august-2012-nominations.html

http://blackhelicopternews.blogspot.com/p/award-winners-1994-2012.html

http://fnvw.databasix.com (awards descriptions and more)

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Fred Hall <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 04:25:15 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>Paul Ryan <gare...@ymail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>I'm more confused.
>>
>>Thanks for letting us know.
>
>Where did Topaz run off to? Did he finally follow Hitler's
>example and kill himself?

He's probably furiously typing in some new nazi tracts to cut and
paste from.

Some titles...

Lousy Weather- Jews At It Again?
My Shoelace Broke- How Can I Blame This On the Jews?
Compound Eyes: Flies See Jews Everywhere- Why Not You?

[Fred Hall]

No doubt.
--
"These clowns are all Jokers!" - Rasta Khan

"I'm more of a Usenet force than you'll ever imagine in your wildest dreams." - Nellie Hall

KotAGoR XXXXI
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Pierre Salinger HL&S - February 2012
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Derbyshire

[skink on sink]

On 8/31/2012 5:40 AM, Fred Hall wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 04:25:15 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude<klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> Paul Ryan<gare...@ymail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>> I'm more confused.
>>
>> Thanks for letting us know.
>
> Where did Topaz run off to? Did he finally follow Hitler's
> example and kill himself?

Oh we hope so!

[skink on sink]

On 8/31/2012 3:19 AM, Paul Ryan wrote:
> Why didn't former Governor Romney declare himself "The Next George
> Bush" or "The Next Ronald Reagan"?

because he's happy and confident with being himself.

Why are you a consummate coward and a fraud?

[skink on sink]

On 8/31/2012 3:14 AM, Paul Ryan wrote:
> A poll before the 2008 election s

That was then, this is now.

Enjoy, turd.

[skink on sink]

On 8/31/2012 3:12 AM, Paul Ryan wrote:
> Why are there so many Jewish people who want to buy Gold on TV?

Why are so many Dems racists?

[AlleyCat]

In article <4e5fe7c0d4780008313a52cd54b89785
@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>, la...@bryant.ke says...

>
> ..and vote for Obama stickers on their cars?

Like these Koko's?

Must be nice to have a 65 IQ... guv'mint pay fo everthang

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFeAFDh6dzk

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>skink on sink <l...@ar.ds> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

I THOUGHT I smelled burning garbage! ;>

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>skink on sink <l...@ar.ds> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On 8/31/2012 3:12 AM, Paul Ryan wrote:
>> Why are there so many Jewish people who want to buy Gold on TV?
>
>Why are so many Dems racists?

It's their heritage. They can't hide from it.

[Col. Saunders]

I just want to know why, if I showed up to see Romney speak at the
convention, they would take my gun away.

What's wrong with a law abiding gun owner attending a Sermon at the
big Republican party?

Did John Lott Jr.. show up? He would have brandished a copy of
"More Guns = Less Crime"

[Col. Saunders]

On Aug 31, 7:40 am, Fred Hall <fkh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 04:25:15 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>Paul Ryan <garekm...@ymail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>
> >>I'm more confused.
>
> >Thanks for letting us know.
>
> Where did Topaz run off to?  Did he finally follow Hitler's
> example and kill himself?
> --

> August 2012 nominations:http://blackhelicopternews.blogspot.com/2012/08/august-2012-nominatio...
>
> http://blackhelicopternews.blogspot.com/p/award-winners-1994-2012.html
>
> http://fnvw.databasix.com(awards descriptions and more)

He's angry at the Tea Party.

It all started when the Republicans proclaimed themselves to the
political right of Adolf Hitler.

They call Hitler a Liberal these days.

[Col. Saunders]

On Aug 31, 3:10 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Yes, that's why the Civil Rights Act offended them and created the
DixieCrats.

Face it. All I read from Republicans are rants about how black people
are stupid because they don't vote Republican.

And don't get me started on those Jews. They don't vote GOP either.

I have no idea why those darkies and Christ killers don't support the
Republican party?

They must be racist.

[skink on sink]

On 8/31/2012 1:20 PM, Col. Saunders wrote:
> On Aug 31, 12:19 pm, skink on sink<l...@ar.ds> wrote:
>> On 8/31/2012 3:19 AM, Paul Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Why didn't former Governor Romney declare himself "The Next George
>>> Bush" or "The Next Ronald Reagan"?
>>
>> because he's happy and confident with being himself.
>>
>> Why are you a consummate coward and a fraud?
>
> I just want to know why, if I showed up to see Romney speak at the
> convention, they would take my gun away.

Are you daft?

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"Col. Saunders" <adrast...@live.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Aug 31, 3:10 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> >skink on sink <l...@ar.ds> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>> >On 8/31/2012 3:12 AM, Paul Ryan wrote:
>> >> Why are there so many Jewish people who want to buy Gold on TV?
>>
>> >Why are so many Dems racists?
>>
>> It's their heritage. They can't hide from it.
>
>Yes, that's why the Civil Rights Act offended them and created the
>DixieCrats.

It DID offend Democrats. Luckily, the GOP stepped up and got the CRA
passed.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"Col. Saunders" <adrast...@live.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>What's wrong with a law abiding gun owner attending a Sermon at the
>big Republican party?

What's wrong "law abiding gun owner" have to do with you?

[George Plimpton]

On 8/31/2012 1:57 AM, Lame Bryant wrote:
> ..and vote for Obama stickers on their cars?

Ha ha ha ha ha! I saw a good yarn about this a while back:

Today I had to run down to Piggly Wiggly. As I approached the
entrance, I noticed a driver looking for a parking space. I
flagged the driver and pointed out a parking space in the
handicapped parking area. The driver looked puzzled. "I'm not
handicapped," she said. Well, was my face red. "Oh, sorry about
that, I saw your Obama sticker and just presumed..."

She gave me the finger and called me some nasty names.



That is really a good one.

[skink on sink]

On 8/31/2012 1:25 PM, Col. Saunders wrote:
> They call Hitler a Liberal these days.

They call you - Godwins law.

[skink on sink]

On 8/31/2012 1:34 PM, Col. Saunders wrote:
> Face it. All I read from Republicans are rants about how black people
> are stupid

Face it, no one believes a word you key, you idiot troll.

[Col. Saunders]

Well, there is one good thing.

3 Million Americans watch Fox News. That's less than 1%

2% of the people attending the 2008 RNC conference were black.

Looks like the blacks are taking over!

Hide your daughters.

Oh, and 0% of blacks like Mitt Romney.

It's 0% because the number was too low to measure.

[skink on sink]

On 8/31/2012 1:43 PM, Col. Saunders wrote:
> 3 Million Americans watch Fox News. That's less than 1%
>
> 2% of the people attending the 2008 RNC conference were black.

Are you saying black America is in the tank for Obama again?

Oh the humanity!

[Col. Saunders]

Unlike you, I don't lie.

Unlike you, I don't agree with all the shit that I like.

As a Progressive Conservative, I understand the statistics and know
the players.

Progressive Conservative is an oxymoron to the likes of you.

You are one of the stools in the toilet that listens and agrees with
what you want to hear.

That isn't my problem.

[�ons@minority#s]

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[Col. Saunders]

No, there are clearly blacks who vote Democrat. They voted for Bill
Clinton as well.

Are you implying otherwise? Are you claiming that Blacks vote for
Obama and whites vote for Romney?

The song "Taking Care of Business" used by Senator McCain in 2008 was
by a Canadian Mormon.

He told them to stop using it.

He doesn't like Mitt either. People aren't stupid. They think on
their own.


When will Mitt proclaim "I am the Next George W. Bush!"


That would be a chuckle.

[RD Sandman]

"Col. Saunders" <adrast...@live.com> wrote in news:d6e6298f-8ff7-446d-
8e3a-02a...@e6g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:

> On Aug 31, 3:10 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> >skink on sink <l...@ar.ds> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>> >On 8/31/2012 3:12 AM, Paul Ryan wrote:
>> >> Why are there so many Jewish people who want to buy Gold on TV?
>>
>> >Why are so many Dems racists?
>>
>> It's their heritage. They can't hide from it.
>
> Yes, that's why the Civil Rights Act offended them and created the
> DixieCrats.
>
> Face it. All I read from Republicans are rants about how black people
> are stupid because they don't vote Republican.

Then you should have no problem producing those rants. Go for it.

> And don't get me started on those Jews. They don't vote GOP either.
>
> I have no idea why those darkies and Christ killers don't support the
> Republican party?
>
> They must be racist.

Mirror.....mirror....on the wall.....



--

If you see a bomb techinician running....
Do try to keep up with him.


Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

[skink on sink]

On 8/31/2012 1:52 PM, Col. Saunders wrote:
> On Aug 31, 3:42 pm, skink on sink<l...@ar.ds> wrote:
>> On 8/31/2012 1:34 PM, Col. Saunders wrote:
>>
>>> Face it. All I read from Republicans are rants about how black people
>>> are stupid
>>
>> Face it, no one believes a word you key, you idiot troll.
>
> Unlike you, I don't lie.

You lie constantly, and you are a racist troll.

> Unlike you, I don't agree with all the shit that I like.

Huh?

> As a Progressive Conservative, I understand the statistics and know
> the players.

Yet play a blatant race card, right...

> Progressive Conservative is an oxymoron to the likes of you.

Oh pipe down, pee wee.

> You are one of the stools in

Bugger off, asshat.

[skink on sink]

On 8/31/2012 1:59 PM, Col. Saunders wrote:
> On Aug 31, 3:44 pm, skink on sink<l...@ar.ds> wrote:
>> On 8/31/2012 1:43 PM, Col. Saunders wrote:
>>
>>> 3 Million Americans watch Fox News. That's less than 1%
>>
>>> 2% of the people attending the 2008 RNC conference were black.
>>
>> Are you saying black America is in the tank for Obama again?
>>
>> Oh the humanity!
>
> No, there are clearly blacks who vote Democrat. They voted for Bill
> Clinton as well.

That's not an answer.

> Are you implying otherwise? Are you claiming that Blacks vote for
> Obama and whites vote for Romney?

I think that is pretty well established:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/106729/new-evidence-2008-was-major-aberration-democrats

Among whites, the Republican edge has expanded from 2 points to 12;
among white men, from 11 points to 22.

> The song "Taking Care of Business" used by Senator McCain in 2008 was
> by a Canadian Mormon.

Oh no!

> He told them to stop using it.

He should talked to Burton Cummings, they could have done business.

> He doesn't like Mitt either.

He's a fucking canuck, sod him.

> People aren't stupid.

You are.

> They think on their own.

Yeah, that's why advertising has been such a dismal failure...

> When will Mitt proclaim "I am the Next George W. Bush!"

He won't.

When will you grow a brain?

> That would be a chuckle.

You're a mild brain fart, at best.

[Barry Bruyea]

If he tried, he probably screwed it up.

[FirstPost]

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Changed Nyms Again and Wrote:
>
>I just want to know why, if I showed up to see Romney speak at the
>convention, they would take my gun away.
>

Because you're a goddamned lowlife cocksucking foreign national that
isn't allowed to carry a firearm in the US you lying sack of Canuck
dogshit.
Plain enough for you dumbass?

Time to change your nym again liar.

[FirstPost]

He's Canadian. So, yes he is.

[FirstPost]

Indeed. Foreign nationals, even Canadian ones, cannot get a carry
permit in the US since they have no US address and it is virtually
impossible to perform a background check on them.

When an American gets caught carrying without a permit it is a
misdemeaner. When a foreign national gets caught carrying a firearm
inside the US it is an act of international terrorism.
I really wish the stupid assed Canuck would show up at the RNC with a
gun. But the chickenshit son of a bitch is too much of a coward to
even cross the border.

[skink on sink]

LOL!

Yeah.

[skink on sink]

Sweet!

[skink on sink]

Explained ;-)

[SaPeIsMa]

"FirstPost" <Liberals...@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:orb248dpp8c5lh1tc...@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:37:31 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
> <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>"Col. Saunders" <adrast...@live.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>What's wrong with a law abiding gun owner attending a Sermon at the
>>>big Republican party?
>>
>>What's wrong "law abiding gun owner" have to do with you?
>
> Indeed. Foreign nationals, even Canadian ones, cannot get a carry
> permit in the US since they have no US address and it is virtually
> impossible to perform a background check on them.
>

BULLSHIT
Foreign nationals LEGALLY LIVING in the US have no problems either buying
guns or getting permits to carry.
Foreign nationals who own a home in the US and spend some time there, like
Canadian Snowbirds, have no problems getting carry permits either.
And the background check in the US is about any activity in the US, not
some other country

> When an American gets caught carrying without a permit it is a
> misdemeaner. When a foreign national gets caught carrying a firearm
> inside the US it is an act of international terrorism.

BULLSHIT...

> I really wish the stupid assed Canuck would show up at the RNC with a
> gun. But the chickenshit son of a bitch is too much of a coward to
> even cross the border.
>

Why would a Canadian bother showing up at the RNC ?
Why should they waste ANY time there ?

As usual, all you've done is demonstrate abyssal ignorance of the subject

[Billy]

In article <k1rkbb$ljg$7...@dont-email.me>, skink on sink <l...@ar.ds>
wrote:

No comment. You nut jobs seem to have this under control.

Anybody but Romney.

Yes, Romney only had 6 years ('93 to '99) to gut GS Industries before
leaving for Salt Lake City where he aided in reorganizing the committee
and helped to begin fixing the budget, which at the time was US$379
million short, and renewing sponsor enthusiasm.
<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/us/politics/19romney.html?_r=1>

God, he must have schmoozed himself to the bone.

From the above site:

But the hardheaded and hard-nosed pragmatism that allowed Mr. Romney to
juggle an unruly coalition of politicians, sponsors and volunteers as
chief executive of the Games now haunts him on the campaign trail among
some conservative Republicans. They complain that he has no core beliefs
and shifts positions on a range of issues to placate various
constituencies.

While even Mr. Romney's critics concede that the Games, which had faced
serious potential financial difficulties before his arrival, were a
huge success, some say he made those early problems seem worse than they
were to embellish his accomplishments. Others grouse about his showman,
instinct for the spotlight: the countless photo-ops, the television
spots. Even the little Olympic pins sold to collectors carried his
image, cloaked in the American flag.
---

Sounds a lot like the Romney of today.

--

Bain Capital (Romney) spent $24.5 million to acquire GS Industries in
1993, according to an investment prospectus obtained by the Los Angeles
Times and reviewed by McClatchy Newspapers. By 2000, Bain Capital
estimated its partners (some of whom supported Central American death
squads) had made $58.4 million off its investment in GS Industries,
according to the prospectus.

Under Mitt Romney's leadership in the 1990s, even as the steel
manufacturer went on to cut more than 1,750 jobs, shuttered a division
that had been around for 100 years and eventually sank into bankruptcy.

Bain Capital's partners also earned multimillion-dollar dividends and
annual management fees of about $900,000. Yet, GS Industries owed $553.9
million in debts against assets valued at $395.2 million by the time it
filed for bankruptcy protection in 2001.

Romney, founder of Bain Capital in 1984, was in charge of the firm for
most of the time it owned GS Industries.

The mill was padlocked and some 750 people lost their jobs. Workers were
denied the severance pay and health insurance they'd been promised, and
their pension benefits were cut by as much as $400 a month.What's more,
a federal government insurance agency had to pony up $44 million to bail
out the company's underfunded pension plan. Nevertheless, Bain profited
on the deal, receiving $12 million on its $8 million initial investment
and at least $4.5 million in consulting fees.

Bain Capital estimated its partners had made $58.4 million, but it cost
America $44 million to bail out the company's underfunded pension plan?
Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Romney wants to take away your Social Security, Medicare, and The
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, but he's not above corporate
welfare for Bain Capital.

<http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017242630.html>

<http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/06/us-campaign-romney-bailout-
idUSTRE8050LL20120106>

--
Welcome to the New America.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg>
or
E Pluribus Unum
Green Party Nominee Jill Stein & Running Mate, Cheri Honkala
<http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/13/green_party_nominee_jill_stein_running>

[AlleyCat]

In article <wildbilly-09FB76.22260331082012@c-61-68-245-
199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...

>
> In article <k1rkbb$ljg$7...@dont-email.me>, skink on sink <l...@ar.ds>
> wrote:
>

Bain backed a startup that became a steel giant. Romney's critics have
focused on Bain's investment in a now-defunct steel firm, GS
Technologies, as "the worst kind of private-equity investment," says
Patrick Brennan at National Review. But Bain's "more successful
involvement" in another steel company, Steel Dynamics, has gone largely
overlooked. The steel industry was "hardly a hot startup market" in
1994, but Bain saw potential in the company's "mini-mill" as a way to
lower costs. Bain invested $18 million, giving others confidence to
invest and helping the company reach the $80 million in seed money it
needed to get going. Bain sold its stake in 1999 for $104 million, and
Steel Dynamics (SDI) has since grown to become the ***fifth-largest U.S.
producer of carbon-steel products ***.

Romney helped Staples get its start. Before Staples opened its first
office-supply store, the company's founder, Thomas G. Stemberg, went to
Bain for help, says Ronald Kessler at Newsmax. Stemberg told Romney that
companies were spending more on office supplies than they thought.
Romney had his associates do a survey of office managers, then checked
the figures against invoices, and found that Stemberg was right. "Romney
agreed to put $600,000 of Bain Capital money into the new venture," and
within a few years, he had made back eight times his money while
contributing to the launch of a successful national company.

Bain played a role in Sports Authority's success. Romney and Co. were
"among a handful of venture-capital firms that helped found the Sports
Authority" by forking over much-needed cash in exchange for a minority
stake, says The Washington Post. At the time, Sports Authority had fewer
than 10 stores, and was hungry for money to fuel its expansion. By the
time Romney left Bain, Sports Authority had exploded, and employed
nearly 14,000 people across the country.

Bain itself is a success. Romney should be eager to talk about Bain,
says Ford O'Connell at U.S. News & World Report, and not just because of
the firm's 80 percent success rate in driving up revenue at the
companies it acquires. Romney should be most proud of "his own success
in building Bain Capital from scratch into a successful organization
with a great reputation that met a significant payroll and provided a
service on which the economy absolutely depends." Over 28 years, the
firm has boosted income at the companies it backed by $105 billion,
creating thousands upon thousands of jobs. To attack Bain, you have to
attack all of private equity, says Chris Stirewalt at Fox News. "Romney
and Bain were widely seen as very good at what they did, not plunderers,
but responsible corporate citizens."

[skink on sink]

Fuck off and DIE, you scumbag Auzzie troll.

[AlleyCat]

In article <MPG.2aab5ad3b...@news.eternal-september.org>,
al...@aohell.com says...

[Billy]

In article <MPG.2aab5ad3b...@news.eternal-september.org>,

AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:

> In article <wildbilly-09FB76.22260331082012@c-61-68-245-
> 199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...
> >

> > In article <k1rkbb$ljg$7...@dont-email.me>, skank on scat <l...@ar.ds>
> > wrote:
> >

Good reply "Cat", but the central fact of corporate life is that it is
illegal for a CEO to do anything to reduce investor's dividends. That is
the definition of a "responsible corporate citizen". If it is cheaper to
pay fines for polluting the water, and air of a corporation's neighbors,
they will pay the fine, and disregard the neighbors health.

Toxicity comes in 2 flavors, acute, and chronic. If the toxin strikes
you down like a bolt of lightening (E. coli O157:H7), that's acute. If
it is the slow accumulation of poisons like roxarsone (arsenic) that can
lead to leukemia (that's chronic).
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A466
48-2001Dec31>

<http://enews.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20120811/3ab3b507-1051-465f-
9b80-4494e2396aad>
Steel mill polluted town as Romney firm profited

Biological toxins aside, there are also toxic financial instruments,
like "Mortgage Backed Securities" (MBS), or "Collateral Backed
Securities" CBS). Wall Street knew that the mortgages were near
worthless, but bundled, and leveraged them anyway.

In the long list of culprits, it is natural to begin at the bottom, with
the mortgage originators. Mortgage companies had pushed exotic mortgages
on to millions of people, many of whom did not know what they were
getting into, but mortgage writers got their fees up front. The mortgage
companies could not have done their mischief without being aided and
abetted by the banks and rating agencies. The banks bought the mortgages
and repackaged them, selling them on to unwary investors. U.S. banks and
financial institutions had boasted about their clever new investment
instruments. They had created new products which, while touted as
instruments for managing ? risk, were so dangerous that they threatened
to bring down the U.S. financial system. The "paid" rating agencies,
which should have checked the growth of these toxic instruments, instead
gave them a seal of approval, which encouraged others--including pension
funds looking for safe places to put money that workers had set aside
for their retirement--in the United States and overseas, to buy them.


<http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/fed-americans-wealth-drop
ped-40-percent/2012/06/11/gJQAlIsCVV_story.html>
Americans saw wealth plummet 40 percent from 2007 to 2010, Federal
Reserve says

So yes, some Bain Capital's investments worked out for most of the
parties involved. Bain Capital didn't eat all of their accounts, but you
know that they would have, if it would have made them more money.

Bain Capital (Romney) spent $24.5 million to acquire GS Industries in
1993, according to an investment prospectus obtained by the Los Angeles
Times and reviewed by McClatchy Newspapers.

By 2000, Bain Capital estimated its partners (some of whom supported
Central American death squads) had made $58.4 million off its investment
in GS Industries, according to the prospectus.

Bain Capital's partners also earned multimillion-dollar dividends and
annual management fees of about $900,000.

Yet, GS Industries owed $553.9 million in debts against assets valued at
$395.2 million by the time it filed for bankruptcy protection in 2001.

The mill was padlocked and some 750 people lost their jobs.

Workers were denied the severance pay and health insurance they'd been
promised, and their pension benefits were cut by as much as $400 a month.

What's more, a federal government insurance agency had to pony up $44
million to bail out the company's underfunded pension plan.

Nevertheless, Bain profited on the deal, receiving $12 million on its $8
million initial investment and at least $4.5 million in consulting fees.

Bain Capital estimated its partners had made $58.4 million, but it cost
America $44 million to bail out the company's underfunded pension plan?

Corporations maybe "responsible corporate citizens(?)" who are given
SOCIALIZED corporate welfare, while their victims were not, but
corporations are not good neighbors.

<http://truthdamntruthandstatistics.blogspot.com/2008/03/corporate-vs-soc
ial-welfare.html>
Corporate vs. Social Welfare

[Billy]

In article <MPG.2aac08bee...@news.eternal-september.org>,

It was the bankers who crashed our economy.

<http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/summary_active.php>

Mitt Romney (R)
Top Contributors

Goldman Sachs $676,080
JPMorgan Chase & Co $520,299
Morgan Stanley $513,647
Bank of America $510,728
Credit Suisse Group $427,560
Citigroup Inc $363,015
Barclays $349,400
Wells Fargo $320,025
Kirkland & Ellis $309,042
Deloitte LLP $286,110
PricewaterhouseCoopers $266,650
UBS AG $259,200
HIG Capital $220,495
Blackstone Group $219,525
Bain Capital $172,500
Elliott Management $172,475
General Electric $158,800
Ernst & Young $156,425
Marriott International $154,837
Bain & Co $145,800


Barack Obama (D)
Top Contributors

University of California $491,868
Microsoft Corp $443,748
Google Inc $357,382
DLA Piper $331,715
Harvard University $317,516
US Government $299,923
Deloitte LLP $283,606
Sidley Austin LLP $283,269
Stanford University $238,803
Comcast Corp $234,037
Time Warner $230,088
Kaiser Permanente $197,087
Columbia University $195,574
Skadden, Arps et al $191,828
US Dept of State $175,672
Wells Fargo $170,448
University of Chicago $168,238
National Amusements Inc $167,342
JPMorgan Chase & Co $152,990
US Dept of Defense $149,116


Dr. Jill Stein (3)
Top Contributors

Amazon.com $2,500
MIT Lincoln Labs $2,000
City of Rochester, NY $1,750
University of California $1,250
Comcast Corp $1,000
West Tennessee Business College $1,000
Southwest Georgia Technical College $1,000
Mintwood Media $1,000
Demand Progress $1,000
Usps $1,000
Private Practice of Psychology $1,000
Godfrey Q & Partners $1,000
Ojd $1,000
Grand Avenue Software $700
Sinicon Pastics $550
Google Inc $500
Configuration Management $500
Tachyon Design Automation $500
Coop Power $500
Johns Hopkins Som $500

[AlleyCat]

In article <wildbilly-09E5F6.17561101092012@c-61-68-245-
199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...
>

How about we talk about who can't fix it, cuz he don't know a damn thing
about no economy (Obama), and who can do a damn better job, because he
knows a shitload more about finances and the economy, (Romney).

[�pam�uster]

--
SPAMMED INTO NON-RELEVANT NEWSGROUPS - AND CUT



"Billy" <wild...@withoutta.net> wrote in message
news:wildbilly-6C601...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...

[Viejo Vizcacha]

Romney knows how to screw workers. If that is the kind of knowledge you
crave, you should vote for him.

[AlleyCat]

In article <7448f$5042c269$adce5107$13...@PRIMUS.CA>,
elbie_jo...@yahoo.com says...

Is that something you've heard, or know of first hand? Any one can
parrot other people. Please cite the sites where it show just how Romney
"screws" workers. Do you know how many "workers" are being screwed right
now, because Obama doesn't know a fucking thing about economics and
doesn't want the U.S. economy to prosper, anyway? Get yourself a brain
for yourself and quit repeating what others say.

[deep]

Romney is a Mormon. Mormons are taught from early childhood to hate
non Mormons. Romney cares nothing about regular Americans.

[SaPeIsMa]

"AlleyCat" <al...@aohell.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2aac84d6e...@news.eternal-september.org...

Yup Romney screwed a tens of thousands of workers by helping companies like
Staples, Sports Authority and others get seed money so they can grow and
hire more workers, and keep them in jobs since.
It appears that the other twit is nothing but a useful idiot parroting the
party line.

[Viejo Vizcacha]

If you are a worker and are planning to vote for Romney, please do so.
Just buy a family size jar of vaseline.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/30/bain-protesters-highlight-mitt-romney-record?newsfeed=true

[Mr. Ellis]

On Aug 31, 5:01 am, "Lame Bryant" <l...@bryant.ke> wrote:
> ..and vote for Obama stickers on their cars?

I didn't vote for the asshole who crashed the economy in 2008.

Fuck. I'm Canadian.

We're still laughing at you assholes.

[Mr. Ellis]

I guess that you have heard about Canada and how our real estate
market is robust, our regulated banking system is sound, our
unemployment is far better than yours and how you're all fighting over
our natural resources.

I suppose you've heard about how same sex marriage, universal health
insurance and hand gun control has destroyed our nation and we all
want to be like you.

Yes, it's all true.

And Bats fly out of my asshole.

[Mr. Ellis]

Stupid Americans. They don't even have an official language.

Canada has two!

[Billy]

In article <MPG.2aac84d6e...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Citation, please. I presume that you are full of crap, and can't support
your accusations any more than Paul Ryan can.

[Billy]

In article <7f4a8$5042cd0e$adce5107$16...@PRIMUS.CA>,

And be advised that the Republicans intend to kick sand into that
Vaseline,

Four hardy souls from rural Illinois joined tens of thousands of people
undeterred by threats of Hurricane Isaac during this week's Republican
National Convention (RNC). These four were about to join a much larger
group: the more than 2.4 million people in the past decade whose US jobs
have been shipped to China. In their case, the company laying them off
and sending their jobs overseas is Bain Capital, co-founded by the
Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney.

[Billy]

In article <k1uhpo$sv3$1...@dont-email.me>,

<http://factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin/>
Ryan�s VP Spin

[Billy]

In article <ddi5481rdi5o59qka...@4ax.com>,

Well played. We are all minorities in this country. We are
multi-cultural. We are all Mormons, but we aren't all Mitt Romney. Mitt
Romney will be amoral, but he won't be illegal, that's the corporate
game. He'll fire hundreds of workers, who were denied the severance pay

and health insurance they'd been promised, and their pension benefits

were cut by as much as $400 a month.He'll stiff his creditors $158.7
million. He'll deny workers severance pay and health insurance they'd

been promised, and their pension benefits were cut by as much as $400 a
month.What's more, a federal government insurance agency had to pony up
$44 million to bail out the company's underfunded pension plan.
Nevertheless, Bain profited on the deal, receiving $12 million on its $8
million initial investment and at least $4.5 million in consulting fees.

What's more, a federal government insurance agency had to pony up $44
million to bail out the company's underfunded pension plan.
Nevertheless, Bain profited on the deal, receiving $12 million on its $8
million initial investment and at least $4.5 million in consulting fees.

Bain Capital estimated its partners had made $58.4 million, but it cost
America $44 million to bail out the company's underfunded pension plan?
Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

America doesn't need this Romney.

[AlleyCat]

In article <wildbilly-705A61.21314501092012@c-61-68-245-
199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...

> >
> > Is that something you've heard, or know of first hand? Any one can
> > parrot other people. Please cite the sites where it show just how Romney
> > "screws" workers. Do you know how many "workers" are being screwed right
> > now, because Obama doesn't know a fucking thing about economics and
> > doesn't want the U.S. economy to prosper, anyway? Get yourself a brain
> > for yourself and quit repeating what others say.
>
> Citation, please. I presume that you are full of crap, and can't support
> your accusations any more than Paul Ryan can.

Are you kidding me? What exactly do you want cited. I'll do my best to
back it up, but first, I just need to know what you want cited.
Unemployment? Do you really need that cited?
There's a difference in accusing and stating facts. Ryan is pretty much
stating what Obama has and hasn't done.
Next!

[AlleyCat]

In article <wildbilly-EB5F8E.21390901092012@c-61-68-245-
199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...

>
>
> And be advised that the Republicans intend to kick sand into that
> Vaseline,
>
> Four hardy souls from rural Illinois joined tens of thousands of people
> undeterred by threats of Hurricane Isaac during this week's Republican
> National Convention (RNC). These four were about to join a much larger
> group: the more than 2.4 million people in the past decade whose US jobs
> have been shipped to China. In their case, the company laying them off
> and sending their jobs overseas is Bain Capital, co-founded by the
> Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney.

Cite this please. How many did Bain send to China, compared to the last
4 years under Obama? I want to read from the source, not your lying
fingers.

I blame the unions, for if it weren't for them, millions of jobs would
NOT have gone overseas.

[AlleyCat]

In article <wildbilly-763A44.21402601092012@c-61-68-245-
199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...
>
>
> <http://factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin/>
> Ryanï¿œs VP Spin

Ryan's anti-spin anti-spin:

Fact Check: Paul Ryan's convention address

Jim Messina, the campaign manager for Obama for America, wasn't mincing
words Thursday morning.
In a fund raising email blasted out at 4:37 a.m., he said flat-out that
GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan "lied" about Medicare and the
stimulus bill in his convention speech the night before.
The first passage concerns what was once the largest employer in Ryan's
hometown of Janesville, Wis.
"A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right
there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our
government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another
hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out,
that plant didn't last another year. It is locked up and empty to this
day," Ryan said.
It is true that President Obama, when he was running for president in
February 2008, toured the GM plant in Janesville. But Democrats point
out that the plant actually closed in December of that year, under
President George W. Bush -- who in that same month authorized an
emergency loan of $14 billion to GM and Chrysler.
That was not enough to prevent GM from moving forward with plans it had
already announced: to shutter the Janesville facility and lay off its
remaining 1,200 workers.
His aides point out -- and GM confirms -- that the plant was not shut
down per se but idled, meaning it could be reactivated at any time.
However, nothing Ryan said in his speech about the plant was factually
untrue.
Ryan stated in his convention speech that "we were about to lose a major
factory" in the town at the time Obama showed up there. And though he
compressed then-Sen. Obama's remarks, Ryan did not distort them.
This is what Obama said at the time: "I believe that if our government
is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool
and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another
hundred years."
In October 2008, after the plant's fate was announced, then-Sen. Obama
issued a statement that inched closer to promising to help the factory,
which in its prime employed some 7,000 people. "As president, I will
lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we
can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying
jobs in Wisconsin and all across America," Obama said at the time.

[Mr. Ellis]

On Sep 1, 1:37 am, AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:


So Troll. What made you avoid being a great American capitalist or a
member of your military so you ended up like you are now?

Were the pillows too hard?

[Mr. Ellis]

Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Republican Party?

Like most assholes here. I doubt it.

[Scout]

"Billy" <wild...@withoutta.net> wrote in message
news:wildbilly-6C601...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...

> In article <MPG.2aab5ad3b...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <wildbilly-09FB76.22260331082012@c-61-68-245-
>> 199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...
>> >
>> > In article <k1rkbb$ljg$7...@dont-email.me>, skank on scat <l...@ar.ds>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>
> Good reply "Cat", but the central fact of corporate life is that it is
> illegal for a CEO to do anything to reduce investor's dividends.

Cite please for this statute.

[Scout]

"Viejo Vizcacha" <elbie_jo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7448f$5042c269$adce5107$13...@PRIMUS.CA...

Hmmm... 8 million jobs lost under Obama, what jobs he 'created' were done at
a rate of over $200,000 under the stimulus spending.

So who exactly has Obama not screwed the workers, much less the taxpayers?

[Barry Bruyea]

You could be right, but then again, Obama doesn't know what the hell a
'worker' is.
>

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

I'll just add that lie to your list, shall I?

http://klaus.webege.com/dudu/dudu.htm
Deep Dudu's FORTRESS OF LIES
Now With Over 200 Documented
Lies, Falsehoods, Fabrications, Distortions, and Deceptions!

[Viejo Vizcacha]

Obama has turned out to be several notches above Bush when it comes to
violating human rights. Now, under Obama, even US citizens can be
imprisoned indefinitely, tortured, and even killed, without the
complications of being brought in front of a judge.

I hear analysts and pundits say time and again that the election will be
decided by the undecided. There is very few people who change fields. As
several Republicans at state level have discovered, the elections are
defined by the people who cannot or are not willing to show up for vote.
Not only is the participation ratio going down, but more and more people
are becoming disillusioned with the whole process. If we add the
millions who would like to vote but can't because the state takes away
the civil rights of people who were once in prison, or do not have a
driver license, then less and less people are participating.

[Billy]

In article <k1v05f$qjs$1...@dont-email.me>,

Unless modified by statute, traditional fiduciary duties require
corporate officials to further the interests of shareholders, and thus
require them to maximize corporate profits subject to the obligation to
comply with independent legal constraints.1 Further, this is desirable
as a matter of both law and economics. If certain conduct imposes an
excessive externality on others, then an independent law should regulate
and impose liability whether or not the actor is a corporation, and
if the conduct does not impose such an impermissible externality, then
the most socially desirable thing for corporations to do is maximize
profits.2 The canonical account adds that a single goal like
profit-maximization is easier to monitor,3 and that there is no reason
to impose a special �tax� on dissenting shareholders to further public
interest goals that is not imposed on others.4

The 1980s takeover wave led to a political backlash that caused 29
states to adopt corporate constituency statutes that allowed or required
managers to take the interests of other constituencies into account,
sometimes generally, sometimes just in corporate control transactions.5
But these statutes were not really designed to further the public
interest; rather they were just a subterfuge for allowing management to
block takeovers that were contrary to management interests.6 Thus, these
statutes should be narrowly interpreted. One way, proposed by the ABA
and others, is to interpret these statutes to mean that, while
management can consider the interests of other constituencies, they can
do so only to the extent that doing so advances corporate profits.7
Further, the canonical account stresses, the other 21 states remain
governed by the traditional rule. And since these 21 states
include Delaware, the 800 pound gorilla of corporate law where most of
the big corporations are incorporated, they are more important in
describing the current state of the law.

1 See, e.g., ROBERT CLARK , CORPORATE LAW 17-19, 688, 690 (1986);
Macey, An Economic Analysis of the Various
Rationales for Making Shareholders the Exclusive Beneficiaries of
Corporate Fiduciary Duties , 21 STETSON L. REV .
23, 23 (1991).
2 See CLARK , supra note , at 20-21, 30-32, 677-81, 692, 702; Macey,
supra note , at 40-43.
3 See CLARK , supra note , at 20, 679, 692, 702; American Bar
Association Committee on Corporate Laws, Other
Constituency Statutes: Potential for Confusion , 45 BUS . L. REV . 2253,
2269 (1990) [hereinafter �ABA�]
4 See, e.g., CLARK , supra note , at 603, 679; Milton Friedman, The
Social Responsibility of Business is to Increase
Its Profits , The New York Times, Sept. 13, 1970 (Magazine at 33).
5 See CHOPER , COFFEE & GILSON , CASES AND MATERIALS ON CORPORATIONS
42 (5th ed. 2000) [hereinafter � CHOPER ,
COFFEE & GILSON 5th Edition�].
6 See, e.g., Bainbridge, Interpreting Nonshareholder Constituency
Statutes, 19 PEPP . L. REV . 971, 1025 (1992);
Macey, supra note, at 26, 33, 44.
7 See ABA, supra note , at .

[Winston_Smith]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 02:14:39 -0700 (PDT), Paul Ryan
<gare...@ymail.com> wrote:

>A poll before the 2008 election said that over 60% of Americans
>considered themselves "Conservatives".
>
>Why didn't they vote for the Panamanian and Sarah Palin?

Easy, McBush ISN'T a conservative. He's a RHINO. At least Romney is
a flat out liberal and we recognize that our election choice is
between liberal D and liberal R. My fear is that one of them will get
elected.

>I'm more confused.

Glad to clear that up for you.

[Winston_Smith]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 10:57:46 +0200, "Lame Bryant" <la...@bryant.ke>
wrote:

>Why are there so many healthy looking people with disability tags

What does a person with asthma look like?
What does a person with a weak heart look like?
What does a person with muscular degeneration look like?

I'll just put you in the moron troll file. It's for your own good.

[Gunner]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:52:39 -0700 (PDT), "Col. Saunders"
<adrast...@live.com> wrote:

>On Aug 31, 3:42 pm, skink on sink <l...@ar.ds> wrote:
>> On 8/31/2012 1:34 PM, Col. Saunders wrote:
>>
>> > Face it.  All I read from Republicans are rants about how black people
>> > are stupid
>>
>> Face it, no one believes a word you key, you idiot troll.
>
>Unlike you, I don't lie.
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Changed Nyms Again and Wrote:
--
The essential differences between liberals and conservtives
is that liberals could not exist without conservtives to defend
their freedom and support them economicaly.

Conservatives on the other hand, can exist and
live quite well without liberals."

[Gunner]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:43:53 -0700 (PDT), "Col. Saunders"
<adrast...@live.com> wrote:

>On Aug 31, 3:34 pm, "Col. Saunders" <adrastea2...@live.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 31, 3:10 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > >skink on sink <l...@ar.ds> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>> > >On 8/31/2012 3:12 AM, Paul Ryan wrote:
>> > >> Why are there so many Jewish people who want to buy Gold on TV?
>>
>> > >Why are so many Dems racists?
>>
>> > It's their heritage. They can't hide from it.
>>
>> Yes, that's why the Civil Rights Act offended them and created the
>> DixieCrats.

>>
>> Face it.  All I read from Republicans are rants about how black people

>> are stupid because they don't vote Republican.
>>
>> And don't get me started on those Jews.   They don't vote GOP either.
>>
>> I have no idea why those darkies and Christ killers don't support the
>> Republican party?
>>
>> They must be racist.
>
>Well, there is one good thing.

[Gunner]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:59:03 -0700 (PDT), "Col. Saunders"
<adrast...@live.com> wrote:

>On Aug 31, 3:44 pm, skink on sink <l...@ar.ds> wrote:
>> On 8/31/2012 1:43 PM, Col. Saunders wrote:
>>
>> > 3 Million Americans watch Fox News.  That's less than 1%
>>
>> > 2% of the people attending the 2008 RNC conference were black.
>>
>> Are you saying black America is in the tank for Obama again?
>>
>> Oh the humanity!
>
>No,

[Billy]

In article <a8f648lum4ssnil4a...@4ax.com>,

Oh, so he's a Republican then?

[Billy]

In article <k1v0kr$t1k$1...@dont-email.me>,

p.33

Despite mounting job losses (in the first nine months of 2008, a loss of
some 1.8 million jobs, with 6.1 million Americans working part-time
because they could not get a full-time job) and a decrease of 24 percent
in the Dow Jones average since January 2008, President Bush and his
advisers insisted that things were not as bad as they appeared. Bush
stated in an address on October 10, 2008, "We know what the problems
are, we have the tools we need to fix them, and we're working swiftly to
do so."

A close look at the fundamentals Obama had inherited on taking office
should have made him deeply pessimistic: millions of homes were being
foreclosed upon, and in many parts of the. country, real estate prices
were still falling. This meant that millions more home mortgages were
underwater�future candidates for foreclosure. Unemployment was on the
rise, with hundreds of thousands of people reaching the end of recently
extended unemployment benefits. States were being forced to lay off
workers as tax revenues plummeted."' Government, spending under the
stimulus bill that was one of Obama's first achievements helped�but only
to prevent things from becoming worse.

- JOSEPH E. STIGLITZ
an American economist and a professor at Columbia University. He is a
recipient of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences (2001) and
the John Bates Clark Medal (1979). He is also the former Senior Vice
President and Chief Economist of the World Bank

Freefall: America, Free Markets, and the Sinking of the World Economy
<http://www.amazon.com/Freefall-America-Markets-Sinking-Economy/dp/B007SR
WER0/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344042147&sr=1-2&keywords=Freefall>

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[Gunner]

On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 23:04:53 -0400, Viejo Vizcacha
<elbie_jo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 01/09/2012 10:47 p.m., AlleyCat wrote:
>> In article <7448f$5042c269$adce5107$13...@PRIMUS.CA>,
>> elbie_jo...@yahoo.com says...

>>>
>>> On 01/09/2012 09:34 p.m., AlleyCat wrote:
>>>> In article <wildbilly-09E5F6.17561101092012@c-61-68-245-
>>>> 199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How about we talk about who can't fix it, cuz he don't know a damn thing
>>>> about no economy (Obama), and who can do a damn better job, because he
>>>> knows a shitload more about finances and the economy, (Romney).
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Romney knows how to screw workers. If that is the kind of knowledge you
>>> crave, you should vote for him.
>>

>> Is that something you've heard, or know of first hand? Any one can
>> parrot other people. Please cite the sites where it show just how Romney
>> "screws" workers. Do you know how many "workers" are being screwed right
>> now, because Obama doesn't know a fucking thing about economics and
>> doesn't want the U.S. economy to prosper, anyway? Get yourself a brain
>> for yourself and quit repeating what others say.
>>
>

>If you are a worker and are planning to vote for Romney, please do so.
>Just buy a family size jar of vaseline.
>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/30/bain-protesters-highlight-mitt-romney-record?newsfeed=true

Versus a tanker load of Prep H needed for a second term of
Obama....right?

Gunner

[Scout]

"Billy" <wild...@withoutta.net> wrote in message

news:wildbilly-A9247...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...

> In article <k1v05f$qjs$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> "Billy" <wild...@withoutta.net> wrote in message
>> news:wildbilly-6C601...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
>> > In article <MPG.2aab5ad3b...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> > AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <wildbilly-09FB76.22260331082012@c-61-68-245-
>> >> 199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...
>> >> >
>> >> > In article <k1rkbb$ljg$7...@dont-email.me>, skank on scat <l...@ar.ds>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >
>> > Good reply "Cat", but the central fact of corporate life is that it is
>> > illegal for a CEO to do anything to reduce investor's dividends.
>>
>> Cite please for this statute.
>>
>
> Unless modified by statute, traditional fiduciary duties require
> corporate officials to further the interests of shareholders,

<yawn>

Traditional fiduciary duties?

You said, and I quote "it is illegal for a CEO to do anything to reduce
investor's dividends."

Please cite the statute that supports your claim.

[Billy]

In article <k2158s$4kd$1...@dont-email.me>,

"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

> "Billy" <wild...@withoutta.net> wrote in message
> news:wildbilly-A9247...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
> > In article <k1v05f$qjs$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Billy" <wild...@withoutta.net> wrote in message
> >> news:wildbilly-6C601...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
> >> > In article <MPG.2aab5ad3b...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> > AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <wildbilly-09FB76.22260331082012@c-61-68-245-
> >> >> 199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In article <k1rkbb$ljg$7...@dont-email.me>, skank on scat <l...@ar.ds>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Good reply "Cat", but the central fact of corporate life is that it is
> >> > illegal for a CEO to do anything to reduce investor's dividends.
> >>
> >> Cite please for this statute.
> >>
> >
> > Unless modified by statute, traditional fiduciary duties require
> > corporate officials to further the interests of shareholders,
>
> <yawn>
>
> Traditional fiduciary duties?
>
> You said, and I quote "it is illegal for a CEO to do anything to reduce
> investor's dividends."
>
> Please cite the statute that supports your claim.
>

Been there, done that. You too stupid to read? Yeah, of course you are.

[Billy]

In article <1648489cpcno9pnr5...@4ax.com>,

Without liberals we would still be under good King George. Without
liberals we would still be working 60 hour weeks. Without liberals
there would be no health and safety standards. Without liberals there
would be no Social Security, or Medicare.

>
> Conservatives on the other hand, can exist and
> live quite well without liberals."

Where is the logic in your post, Gunneria?

If you admitted that you got into politics because of the impact on you
of the philosopher of personal greed and egotism, Ayn Rand, but later
had to deny it because it was bad publicity, you might be Paul Ryan.

If you want to destroy social security for others, but after your father
died when you were 16, you used your father's social security survivor
benefits to help pay for your education at Miami University of Ohio . .
. you might be Paul Ryan.

If you say your budget plan was inspired by Roman Catholic teachings,
but but nearly 60 prominent Catholic thinkers and leaders condemned it
as heartless, cruel and un-Christian . . . you might be Paul Ryan.

If you claim to be a free marketeer but want to keep $40 billion in tax
breaks for Big Oil in the budget, you might be Paul Ryan. When it comes
to green energy, the Right says it has to be profitable on its own, but
won't give it a level playing field.

If you would raise taxes on the middle classes; but your budget would
allow your wealthy running mate Mitt Romney to pay almost nothing in
taxes, you might be Paul Ryan.

If you are against deficits in an economic downturn and during a
Democratic administration, but voted for all the measures that ran up
the deficit under Bush and erased Clinton's budget surplus, you might be
Paul Ryan.

If you say you are pro-life, but supported to the hilt an illegal and
unjustified US invasion and occupation of Iraq, which killed hundreds of
thousands of Iraqis, you might be Paul Ryan.

If you accused climate scientists of conspiring to "intentionally
mislead the public on the issue of climate change," but are yourself a
Koch brother-backed conspirator for the 1%, you might be Paul Ryan.

If your proof that climate change is an illusion is that it still snows
in the winter, you might be Paul Ryan.

[AlleyCat]

In article <wildbilly-F50CD6.22223902092012@c-61-68-245-
199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...

> Without
> liberals we would still be working 60 hour weeks. Without liberals
> there would be no health and safety standards
>

Bullshit... worker's rights doesn't necessarily equate to liberalism. If
anything, labor people are more conservative thinkers than others. The
only reason they vote Democrat, is because Democrat politicians are
anti-business and pro worker. That's not always a good thing. Unions
have fucked our economy. When you pay workers more, the price of goods
goes up. When the price of goods goes up, consumer confidence wanes.
When consumer confidence wanes, people lose their jobs. Everyone wanted
to get paid too much starting in the mid 80's and everyone got their jet
skis and snowmobiles and their boats and big houses. Then that shit was
taken from them in 2008. I saw that coming for 25+ years. I never spent
more than I made. The ones that didn't got screwed. I don't care what
"party" was at fault for the crash... it happened. It's too late to go
into this in-depth, so hit me with your best shot, I'll get back to you
later. Goodnight.

[Scout]

"Billy" <wild...@withoutta.net> wrote in message

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IOW, you have nothing.

Oh, and FYI.... tradition fiduciary duties....are NOT law.

See, CEO can and will lower or even eliminate dividend payments if it's in
the best interests of the company. See the CEOs FIRST responsibility is to
the company....not the investors.

[Billy]

In article <k2158s$4kd$1...@dont-email.me>,

"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

> "Billy" <wild...@withoutta.net> wrote in message
> news:wildbilly-A9247...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
> > In article <k1v05f$qjs$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Billy" <wild...@withoutta.net> wrote in message
> >> news:wildbilly-6C601...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
> >> > In article <MPG.2aab5ad3b...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> > AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <wildbilly-09FB76.22260331082012@c-61-68-245-
> >> >> 199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In article <k1rkbb$ljg$7...@dont-email.me>, skank on scat <l...@ar.ds>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Good reply "Cat", but the central fact of corporate life is that it is
> >> > illegal for a CEO to do anything to reduce investor's dividends.
> >>
> >> Cite please for this statute.
> >>
> >
> > Unless modified by statute, traditional fiduciary duties require
> > corporate officials to further the interests of shareholders,
>
> <yawn>
>
> Traditional fiduciary duties?
>
> You said, and I quote "it is illegal for a CEO to do anything to reduce
> investor's dividends."
>
> Please cite the statute that supports your claim.
>

You can't read, Numbskull? Are you saying that only statues are laws?
Hmmmm?

"Unless modified by statute, traditional fiduciary duties require

corporate officials to further the interests of shareholders". Except in
the case of breaking the law, what other exceptions would there be?

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Billy <wild...@withoutta.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

Don't be stupid.

There are plenty of instances where a CEO would do something that
would reduce dividends.

Purchasing machinery, as an example.

If you were ever involved in a business above the level of changing
the french-fry oil, you could figure that out on your own.

[Billy]

In article <k21pl1$2sv$1...@dont-email.me>,

Numbskull, the CEO can acquire fixed assets instead of paying dividends.
However, it would add value to the investor's share. That is a
distinction without a difference, but don't let me interfere with your
quibbling.

Numbskull is a modest little man, with much to be modest about.

[George Plimpton]

The original post was just a snarky (but nonetheless very funny) joke,
but it raises a very good question. Why *ARE there so many healthy
looking people driving around with disability license plates or
placards? The answer is fraud and resource waste: Democrat sponsored
and created fraud, and Democrat wasting of resources because they don't
understand efficient resource allocation.

Let's tackle the inefficient resource allocation issue first. Why
should 30 of the best parking spaces in front of a Home Depot be
allocated to cripples, and then mostly go unused? Why should cripples
get any preferential treatment at all? Aren't the loudmouth blowhard
"advocates" for cripples constantly haranguing us that cripples can do
anything that everyone else can do? But even if they can't, or at least
can't do it without coercing help from healthy people, why do they get
preferential parking, which again is mostly a waste of prime resources?
It's simply galling to see the 30 best parking spaces in front of a
big box store sitting there at no more than 10% occupancy.

As for the fraud, the system is designed to encourage it. Thanks to the
Democrats, we already have become a nation that celebrates victimhood
and ineptitude. People aren't encouraged to rise above circumstances
that make life more difficult - instead, they're encouraged to wallow in
self-pity and to make excuses for why they fail: there is an entire
"learning disabilities" industry that slaps an alphabet soup of labels
on children who act out and disrupt classroom, children who once were
simply called deviants and delinquents and kicked out so the good
children could learn. Now, there's money to be made by falsely
classifying bad, disruptive delinquents as suffering from a "disorder",
so naturally there has been an explosion of bogus learning disability
diagnoses. Fake physical handicaps are exactly the same. There's a
reward in the form of preferential parking for having a physical
"disability", so bad and unethical people get a doctor to write a
letter, and a sore toe or a mild case of arthritis turns into an
extremely valuable parking pass.

Goddamnit, when I see someone pull into a cripples' parking space and
get out of the car, I expect to see crutches or a wheelchair, or at the
very least an oxygen tank for someone with a bad case of emphysema.
Instead, you see people looking to be perfectly healthy practically
doing cartwheels to the entrance to the store with a shit-eating smirk
on their faces at how they beat the system. This is just wrong and
needs to be undone. Those people who do have some kind of physical
disability are just going to have to live up to their claims that they
can do what everyone else can do.

[Billy]

In article <1648489cpcno9pnr5...@4ax.com>,

Gunneria <gunnerir...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 23:04:53 -0400, Viejo Vizcacha
> <elbie_jo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On 01/09/2012 10:47 p.m., AlleyCat wrote:
> >> In article <7448f$5042c269$adce5107$13...@PRIMUS.CA>,
> >> elbie_jo...@yahoo.com says...
> >>>
> >>> On 01/09/2012 09:34 p.m., AlleyCat wrote:
> >>>> In article <wildbilly-09E5F6.17561101092012@c-61-68-245-
> >>>> 199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> How about we talk about who can't fix it, cuz he don't know a damn thing
> >>>> about no economy (Obama), and who can do a damn better job, because he
> >>>> knows a shitload more about finances and the economy, (Romney).
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Romney knows how to screw workers. If that is the kind of knowledge you
> >>> crave, you should vote for him.
> >>
> >> Is that something you've heard, or know of first hand? Any one can
> >> parrot other people. Please cite the sites where it show just how Romney
> >> "screws" workers. Do you know how many "workers" are being screwed right
> >> now, because Obama doesn't know a fucking thing about economics and
> >> doesn't want the U.S. economy to prosper, anyway? Get yourself a brain
> >> for yourself and quit repeating what others say.

You must get your "facts" from Paul Ryan.
<http://factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin/>
Ryan's VP Spin
TAMPA, Fla. -- Paul Ryan's acceptance speech at the Republican convention
contained several false claims and misleading statements.

> >>
> >
> >If you are a worker and are planning to vote for Romney, please do so.
> >Just buy a family size jar of vaseline.

Freefall: America, Free Markets, and the Sinking of the World Economy
<http://www.amazon.com/Freefall-America-Markets-Sinking-Economy/dp/B007SR
WER0/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344042147&sr=1-2&keywords=Freefall>

p29

Despite mounting job losses (in the first nine months of 2008, a loss of
some 1.8 million jobs, with 6.1 million Americans working part-time
because they could not get a full-time job) and a decrease of 24 percent
in the Dow Jones average since January 2008, President Bush and his
advisers insisted that things were not as bad as they appeared. Bush
stated in an address on October 10, 2008, "We know what the problems
are, we have the tools we need to fix them, and we're working swiftly to
do so."

p33

A close look at the fundamentals Obama had inherited on taking office
should have made him deeply pessimistic: millions of homes were being
foreclosed upon, and in many parts of the. country, real estate prices
were still falling. This meant that millions more home mortgages were

underwater--future candidates for foreclosure. Unemployment was on the

rise, with hundreds of thousands of people reaching the end of recently
extended unemployment benefits. States were being forced to lay off
workers as tax revenues plummeted."' Government, spending under the

stimulus bill that was one of Obama's first achievements helped--but only

to prevent things from becoming worse.
- JOSEPH E. STIGLITZ
an American economist and a professor at Columbia University. He is a
recipient of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences (2001) and
the John Bates Clark Medal (1979). He is also the former Senior Vice
President and Chief Economist of the World Bank

-----

So where does Mr. Stiglitz get it wrong, Vizcaca?
> >
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/30/bain-protesters-highlight

> >-mitt-romney-record?newsfeed=true
>
> Versus a tanker load of Prep H needed for a second term of
> Obama....right?

What is it with you, and the insides of other people's pants, pervert?

>
> Gunneria

>
> --
> The essential differences between liberals and conservtives
> is that liberals could not exist without conservtives to defend
> their freedom and support them economicaly.

The "Baggers" aren't conservatives, you idiot, they are nuts. From that
flip-flopping weasel Romney, to the sanctimonious weasel Ralph Reed,
they are a bunch of double-dealing, con-artists. Goldwater would never
recognize them as conservatives.

Thank the Liberals for the American Revolution.

"As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that
all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are
equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to
see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality."
- George Washington

Thank the Liberals for the 40 hr. week?
Thank the Liberals for the 8-hour workday, overtime pay, and the federal
minimum wage.
Thank the Liberals for Social Security, and Medicare.
Thank the Liberals for the G.I. Bill of Rights.
Thank the Liberals for the Clean Water Act.

>
> Conservatives on the other hand, can exist and
> live quite well without liberals."

Then they would have to eat each other.

Why did Wall Street take government welfare?

Why then did Bain Capital stiff creditors for $158.7 million, and take
over $44 million from the employee pension fund of GS Industries that
had to be replaced by the government, even though Bain Capital made a
profit of $58.4 million for its partners, and $8.5 million for
themselves? Hmmmmmmm?

God save us from the "Baggers", the false conservatives.

[Billy]

In article <MPG.2aaca883d...@news.eternal-september.org>,
AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:

> In article <wildbilly-763A44.21402601092012@c-61-68-245-
> 199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...
> >
> >
> > <http://factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin/>
> > Ryan1s VP Spin
>
> Ryan's anti-spin anti-spin:
>
> Fact Check: Paul Ryan's convention address
>
> Jim Messina, the campaign manager for Obama for America, wasn't mincing
> words Thursday morning.
> In a fund raising email blasted out at 4:37 a.m., he said flat-out that
> GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan "lied" about Medicare and the
> stimulus bill in his convention speech the night before.
> The first passage concerns what was once the largest employer in Ryan's
> hometown of Janesville, Wis.
> "A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right
> there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our
> government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another
> hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out,
> that plant didn't last another year. It is locked up and empty to this
> day," Ryan said.
> It is true that President Obama, when he was running for president in
> February 2008, toured the GM plant in Janesville. But Democrats point
> out that the plant actually closed in December of that year, under
> President George W. Bush -- who in that same month authorized an
> emergency loan of $14 billion to GM and Chrysler.
> That was not enough to prevent GM from moving forward with plans it had
> already announced: to shutter the Janesville facility and lay off its
> remaining 1,200 workers.
> His aides point out -- and GM confirms -- that the plant was not shut
> down per se but idled, meaning it could be reactivated at any time.
> However, nothing Ryan said in his speech about the plant was factually
> untrue.
> Ryan stated in his convention speech that "we were about to lose a major
> factory" in the town at the time Obama showed up there. And though he
> compressed then-Sen. Obama's remarks, Ryan did not distort them.
> This is what Obama said at the time: "I believe that if our government
> is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool
> and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another
> hundred years."
> In October 2008, after the plant's fate was announced, then-Sen. Obama
> issued a statement that inched closer to promising to help the factory,
> which in its prime employed some 7,000 people. "As president, I will
> lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we
> can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying
> jobs in Wisconsin and all across America," Obama said at the time.

<http://factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin/>
Ryan's VP Spin

[Billy]

In article <MPG.2aaca742...@news.eternal-september.org>,
AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:

> In article <wildbilly-EB5F8E.21390901092012@c-61-68-245-
> 199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...
> >
> >
> > And be advised that the Republicans intend to kick sand into that
> > Vaseline,
> >
> > Four hardy souls from rural Illinois joined tens of thousands of people
> > undeterred by threats of Hurricane Isaac during this week's Republican
> > National Convention (RNC). These four were about to join a much larger
> > group: the more than 2.4 million people in the past decade whose US jobs
> > have been shipped to China. In their case, the company laying them off
> > and sending their jobs overseas is Bain Capital, co-founded by the
> > Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney.
>
> Cite this please. How many did Bain send to China, compared to the last
> 4 years under Obama? I want to read from the source, not your lying
> fingers.
>
> I blame the unions, for if it weren't for them, millions of jobs would
> NOT have gone overseas.

So, you are blaming the 8-hour workday, 40-hour week, overtime pay, the
federal minimum wage, job health & safety standards, environmental
restrictions, and union negotiated salaries for America's loss of jobs?

<http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/romneys-bain-capital-inve
sted-in-companies-that-moved-jobs-overseas/2012/06/21/gJQAsD9ptV_print.ht
ml>

<http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/bain-capital-mitt-romney-out
sourcing-china-global-tech>

EXCLUSIVE: Romney Invested Millions in Chinese Firm That Profited on US
Outsourcing
The GOP candidate decries China poaching US jobs. But at Bain he held a
large stake in a Chinese company that did just that.
-----

Please tell me what jobs Obama outsourced?

It seems though that your "Bagger" buddies shipped 2.4 million US jobs
to China in the last decade. What kind of Americans are they? You know
what kind of Americans they are, don't you? Ayn Rand (Greed is Good)
Republicans.

Obama did, on a percentage basis, employ fewer Americans than previous
Administrations, but that's what you guys wanted, wasn't it? Huh?

<http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/09/how_many_federal_wo
rkers_are_t.html>

Execuitive Branch

civilians U.S. pop. Employees/1000
1962 (Kennedy) 2.48 million 186.5 million 13.3
1964 (Johnson) 2.47 million 191.8 million 12.9
1970 (Nixon) 2.94 million* 205 million 14.4
1975 (Ford) 2.84 million 215.9 million 13.2
1978 (Carter) 2.87 million 222.5 million 12.9
1982 (Reagan) 2.77 million 232.1 million 11.9
1990 (Bush) 3.06 million* 249.6 million 12.3
1994 (Clinton) 2.9 million 263.1 million 11.1
2002 (Bush) 2.63 million 287.8 million 9.1
2010 (Obama) 2.65 million+ 310.3 million+ 8.4+

Hope you recover soon from this bout your having with cranial-rectal
inversion.

[mike]

On 9/3/2012 9:53 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
snip

If that's the most significant crisis in your life,
you're truly blessed.

If they took down the signs, the spaces would be
FILLED instead of Prohibited.

Get off your ass and walk the extra 50 feet.
Employees will be glad to help you carry out
your purchases.

[Billy]

In article <MPG.2aaca675e...@news.eternal-september.org>,
AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:

> In article <wildbilly-705A61.21314501092012@c-61-68-245-
> 199.per.connect.net.au>, wild...@withoutta.net says...

> > >
> > > Is that something you've heard, or know of first hand? Any one can
> > > parrot other people.

And you parrot partisans. People who have a financial stake in the
outcome of the election.

That's why you should look for authoritative, non-partisan, experts,
because that is as close as you can get to the truth, without being
there.

> > > Please cite the sites where it show just how Romney
> > > "screws" workers.

That was a fair question.

> > > Do you know how many "workers" are being screwed right
> > > now, because Obama doesn't know a fucking thing about economics and
> > > doesn't want the U.S. economy to prosper, anyway?

That was pure, fact-free opinion. You know what people say about
opinions, don't you? If I am wrong, then please supply non-partisan
support for that statement.

> > > Get yourself a brain
> > > for yourself and quit repeating what others say.

Other authoritative, non-partisan, experts? How many times has
trickle-down economics worked? Ans.: Never in a democracy.

How many times has Keynesian economics failed? Ans.: Once, stagflation.

You want to stop Obama from increasing the national debt, but you
support Ryan, who wants to cut taxes which will increase the national
debt until at least 2020. How do you feel about that?

Reagan cut taxes, deficits exploded.
Clinton raised taxes, and the economy expanded.
Dub-ya cut taxes, and the economy tanked.
<http://zfacts.com/p/318.html>

You're doing the same thing again, and expecting something different to
happen. Do you know what that means?

> >
> > Citation, please. I presume that you are full of crap, and can't support
> > your accusations any more than Paul Ryan can.
>
> Are you kidding me? What exactly do you want cited. I'll do my best to
> back it up, but first, I just need to know what you want cited.
> Unemployment? Do you really need that cited?
> There's a difference in accusing and stating facts. Ryan is pretty much
> stating what Obama has and hasn't done.
> Next!

Well, tell me how having government out of the economy is going to help.
Reagan cut regulations, released the entrepreneurial genius of America
and the S&Ls had him for lunch, and doubled the national debt.
Clinton allowed the Glass-Steagall act to be cut, and the banks went
crazy under Dub-ya making toxic financial instruments that crashed the
economy, and will probably take a decade to recover from. The banks got
welfare, and the economy got the shaft. You want to deregulate polluting
the environment, exposing more people to substances that can affect
their health. You want to expose the public to more financial schemes
like LIBOR? We invade a non-industrial county, and even though we spend
about half of the worlds military budget (US + allies spend 5 times more
than Russia & China combined), we are being chased out of the country?
Hellooooooooo! The government is supposed to protect American citizens,
not expose them to risk.

The collapse of the "Housing Bubble" started under Dub-ya,
unfortunately, except for an under funded stimulus package, due to
Republican resistance, Obama continued the bail-out (corporate welfare)
in the same manner as Dub-ya. Now the "Baggers" blame Obama for the
consequences of the "Housing Bubble" collapse.

A bit hypocritical, don't ya think?

What kind of a nut-job are you, Cat?

[skink on sink]

On 9/3/2012 12:00 PM, mike wrote:
> Get off your ass and walk the extra 50 feet.

http://blog.sfgate.com/steinberg/2010/01/13/a-fond-farewell-to-aunt-peg/

Juliet Carr, better known by her screen name � Juliet Anderson � and
adored by fans as her adult film persona, Aunt Peg, died peacefully in
her sleep Sunday night, January 10, at her home in Berkeley. She was 71.

Juliet was discovered by her friend, Kevin Fong, Tuesday morning, when
he came to take her to a doctor�s appointment.

�I found her in her bed,� Fong told Mark Kernes of Adult Video News.
�She looked like she was just asleep. There were no empty pill bottles,
nothing out of the ordinary.� Indeed, Juliet had left a phone message
for her good friend, fine art sex photographer Michael Rosen, Monday
evening, and she was very much in good spirits, mentally and physically,
at the time.

�She sounded cheerful,� Michael says. She ended by saying �Bye for now.�
I�m thinking that leaving this message may have been the last contact
she had

[skink on sink]

On 9/3/2012 10:04 AM, Billy wrote:
> Numbskull is a modest little man