WHY is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket ?
Doug Bashford
Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
In large part because there is no longer any Truth.
...or just as bad, Truth can no longer be found.
Truth is unfindable. That's more like it.
Or just as bad, there is no longer any such thing
as absolute Truth.
These problems are all intertwined, and didn't
exist in 1988. It's the new way of looking at things.
And it's deadly. It could kill America.
How?
If Truth can't be found; give me candy, and let's party!
But being new, perhaps America can re-educate herself?
Let's look at how this bad attitude and assumption happened.
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010, ObaMao said about:
Re: Ever wonder why Haitian Negros are so poor and destitute?
> Liberalism, whether it surfaces in the spiritual or the secular world
> ultimately leads to a slide of that world into the oblivion of failed
> expectations. How and why is this the case? First, and foremost,
> modern liberalism, as it is practiced today, is rooted in relativism,
Liberalism is rooted in relativism?
It must seem that way to the religious.
You've never developed a moral compass.
...never had to.
There is nothing relative about a moral compass,
if you had one, you'd know this. Rock solid.
I've heard extremists in Church several times say
things like; If not for the Lord, why not rape and pillage?
I question: yes they are serious. They are often taught that
natural (un-churchly) Man is Evil, depending on denomination.
Conversely, should one be born without a moral compass, then he
NEEDS Church to keep him "social." He will seek it out.
And the Evil man will seek out a religion where all his
crimes have been pre-forgiven. "Hate the sin not the man."
So I can see why many religious people don't belive in
the moral compass. But it's real.
> sometimes called moral relativism. According to this philosophy, there
> are no absolute truths. What was true yesterday is not true today, and
> what is true today will not be true tomorrow. What is true for you may
> not be true for me. Relativism unhitches society from the anchors of
> traditional, foundational truths.
Cute ploy! ...for the school yard that is:
"I am rubber, you are glue, what you say
bounces off me and sticks to you!"
In fact, Conservatives are the masters of relativism.
...and you have Rush Limbaugh to thank for that.
...as we've been saying for years.
But unlike you, I'm goung to do more than pull
an unsupported soundsgoodism out of my ass, then write
an essay about that imaginary, unsupported thing.
You will hear the ringing of truth in my words:
Conservatives are the masters of relativism.
But Limbaugh teaches something far worse than
moral relativism, he teaches absolute relativism,
sometimes known as "factual relativism."
...EVERYTHING is only a matter of opinion.
How bad is that?
I say it's the downfall of America.
Limbaugh's worst crime is this de-educating of America,
and for that he should be hung. But Limbaugh only invented
and first executed this nifty propaganda ploy, now the
stupification of America is "old hat" among ALL the Right
wing pundits and mind-benders as well as many of the
younger politicians we have hired.
It's really rather simple. Just cut off all input from
reality to your victims. (That is one definition of
severe brain damage, of being a vegetable.) How is this
done? Easy: all formally respected forms of input from
reality are in on, or victim of Limbaugh's Great Evil
Liberal Conspiracy Theory! This includes Media, Academia,
Science, Art, culture, even the encyclopedias!
Tune all those Evil bastards out. Even Science itself
is reduced to just a matter of (political)
opinion: factual relativity. Science is now the bad guy.
And since there is no way to find the Truth, why not
just go with the quick and simple feelsgood version?
Talk Show World! -- Limbaughtomyville!
So in this context, a thinking person is likely to
find the remainder of your essay rather ironic:
> Once unhitched from the anchors of
> traditional, foundational truths, relativism leads to a free floating
> uncertain journey through life that has no destination.
But in your case, a world where Truth is unfindable, infinitely
confusing, frightening -- so scamper back to Limbaughtomyville
where there are no challenges, everything is comfy and easy
to understand and the beer is always cold.
Back to the irony:
Thus, it leads
> to oblivion, because without a destination, there can be no progress,
> only floating about seeking but never finding. And that, at it�s
> center, is what modern liberalism is all about.
>
> Relativism is defined in the American College Dictionary as: "the
> theory of knowledge or ethics which holds that criteria of judgment
> are relative, varying with the individual, time and circumstance."
The right wing's factual relativism is more simple:
Everything good or right is Conservative, everything
Evil or wrong is Liberal. In fact, that is all one need
know about the universe. Stay comfy in Limbaughtomyville!
> Sometime during the 60's America embraced, with gusto in some
> quarters, an idea called "situational ethics." This was nothing more
> than relativism.
...and it belongs there in the history books, and among
a tiny minority. Your attempt to generalize it to half of
the American population is feeble, if not comic.
Unsupported soundsgoodism is NOT evidence.
> What is right or wrong all depends on the
> circumstances, and what the actors think is right or wrong. This is
> unhitched from reality, not to mention traditional, foundational
> truths.
>
> While relativism lies at the center of modern liberal philosophy,
Hogwash. Only in Limbaughtomyville is the force of bombastic
soundsgoodism considered a criteria of evidence.
> there is another factor that, when added to relativism, creates a
> dynamic that seduces society into believing something that has never
> been true to be true now, in spite of all evidence to the contrary.
> That factor is an idea commonly known as "socialism." Modern liberals
> believe with all of their hearts that government is corrupt, business
> is exploitive, and people are generally good at heart.
That would be me. Yet I hope that can be fixed, an
American dream as spelled out by the founding fathers.
Interestingly,
> however, even with that statement of faith, these same liberals
> believe the best way to create a perfect world is to regulate the
> conduct of those good-hearted people and to control the means of
> production of the exploitive businesses (which are in reality made up
> of good-hearted people).
First of all, NO large organization, from government to
the Girl Scouts to large corporations are run by individuals
who might or might not be good or evil. They are run by
boards which first of all work for a larger group and must
also follow rule books, internal and external. In the case
of public corporations, if faced with a choice between goodness
at less profit and a more evil choice with more profit, it
is ILLEGAL to choose good. You knew that, right?
Second, good-hearted people that run evil businesses can
be explained via simple economic priciples, such as
the Tragedy of the Commons, and others. ...and mob
psychology, and others....
And who should intervene to control such
> things? Why, the corrupt government, of course (which is in reality
> made up of good-hearted people).
Should government become so corrupt that founding American
principles of democracy no longer apply, then we are SOL.
But we are not victims of a tyranny...yet.
Until then, simply on the grounds of simple economic
theory, I'll trust corrupt government that needs my
vote over greedy Corpland that needs my soul.
>
> Modern liberalism has hijacked the label "liberal" and given it a new
> meaning.
Spare us the melodrama. Words evolve.
> Classic liberalism stood for the proposition that government
> should be restrained not increased. Classic liberalism stressed
> individual freedom and limited government. It was a marriage between
> economic freedom and political freedom. It is the principle foundation
> of the writings of Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill, Montesquieu,
> Voltaire, Thomas Paine and others.
And for our founders, corporations were to be feared, their
superpowers granted only on condition of benefiting
the common good, else their charters, (which had to be
renewed every four years,) be revoked. ...and so it was in
America, for over a century. Government was to corporations
as the conscience is to humans.
The founders would have puked to see America
for sale and run by corporations as she is today.
> It was, indeed, the basis of the
> foundation upon which the founding fathers of the United States
> fashioned a more perfect union to establish justice, to insure
> domestic tranquility, to provide for the common defense, to promote
> the general welfare, and to secure the blessings of liberty to
> themselves and their posterity. There was tension between the forces
> that wanted to create a powerful central government with superior
> rights to the various states within the country and those who
> distrusted a strong central government that would eventually dictate
> every area of life of its citizens. It was this tension that gave rise
> to the Bill of Rights that were to forever preserve to the people and
> the states superior sovereignty over a central government.
All large organizations not run by a small group of
(moral) people, from government to the Girl Scouts,
to corporations act EXACTLY like wild animals.
-- All three types of large organization
needs to survive, to grow/reproduce, and they
need to feed on something (consumption/waste).
The only thing which separates the three types is what
they feed on, (and the laws which constrain them).
> Modern liberalism is really not liberalism at all, in the classic
> sense of the meaning of the word. Instead, modern liberalism is
> actually socialism in disguise.
Hogwash. Do you swallow all the propaganda pointed at you?
Find Obama's birth certificate or those sneaky WMD yet?
- Political Economics:
- "Fascism should more properly be called
- corporatism, since it is the merger
- of state and corporate power."
-- - Benito Mussolini, father of fascism.
- Socialism: The government/people own the corporations.
- Fascism: The corporations/government own the people.
- Republicans: think the very rich are the backbone of America.
- Democrats: think the middle class are the backbone of America.
- Republicans: fear government but trust corporations.
- Democrats: fear both.
- "Fascism...is the merger
- of state and corporate power."
-- - Benito Mussolini
So? How might that merger happen in America?
Well in this case, what's the difference between merger
and government's deregulation of corporations?
Not much that I can see. Voila!
Corporations are now super people protected by the Constitution.
But it hasn't always been that way.
Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. is a person, not in fact, not in flesh, not
in any tangible form, but in law.
To their everlasting glory, this is not what the Founding Fathers
intended.
For 100 years after the Constitution was ratified, various
governmental entities led corporations around on leashes, like
obedient puppies, canceling their charters promptly if they
compromised the public good in any way.
The leashes broke in 1886, the puppies got away, and the public
good was increasingly compromised until it was finally displaced
altogether.
Today, the First Amendment protects the right of
corporations-as-persons to finance political campaigns and to
employ lobbyists, who then specify and redeem the incurred
obligations.
Democracy has been transformed into a crypto-plutocracy, and
public policy is no longer crafted to serve the American people
at large. It is shaped instead to maintain, protect, enhance or
create opportunities for corporate profit.
Isn't that the root of the rot?
- If you scratch a cynic,
- you'll find a defeated idealist.
edi...@netpath.net
1) The private sector that must fund it all is disappearing - while
the government sector expands as a share of total economy.
2) The underclass is far outgrowing the middle class that must sustain
everything.
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
Northern Raider
"Doug Bashford" <pla...@work.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>
chased by a few kids out of Haiti like they in in Somalia and Nam.
Gandalf Grey
Political apathy resulting from decades of deliberately inculcated
consumerism and republican "greed is good" ideology.
Truth always exists, but people have to have the convictions necessary to
seek it.
Werner
> "Doug Bashford" <play...@work.edu> wrote in message
Last I checked Obama is encouraging us to spend more to juice demand.
He and the Dems are consuming in record amounts.
http://theburningplatform.com/groups/quinns-daily-dose-of-reality/dis...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiDgfS2pOio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2pOsvEwQi8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvAlbpnmsPs&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPdpP9Uu5Lc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2pOsvEwQi8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIJkArWvqu4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcblkyjmOtg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlDNMB6wYmI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78ddURofMWs&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfuiNjvH9_c&NR=1&feature=fvwp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdBIRD87-Ao&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA5dfcMNtCo&NR=1
“The idea that you
can fix a period of excess borrowing and excess
consumption by more
borrowing and more consumption to me is just
ludicrous,”
Jim
Rogers,
an American
investment guru
"...government and the banking system
have deliberately created
financial bubbles to shore up the economy,
engender profits, and
maintain tax revenues."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vk91jU8Bt0
http://www.rense.com/general85/chall.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h2x7R8pxUs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt4VLX96VLM
The same people who
complained about the widening wealth gap now
think
the new money
printing and borrowing is such a wonderful and
necessary
policy
forget it helps the rich the most. The policies are
intended
to
avoid depressing asset prices which has the effect of
shrinking the
wealth gap. Who owns most of the assets if not the
wealthy? How do
you
stop asset price deflation? By inflation. Who
suffers most from
inflation? Poor people. Who benefits most from
inflation? Rich
people
who own assets.
Evidently change we can
believe in is no
change. The rich get richer
and the poor get poorer
by government
policy, just like always.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtllmgvoT_g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nU3fNh-PRk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfoToPyae0s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSqhrHIfJV0&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Gandalf Grey
"Werner" <whet...@mac.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 18, 5:30 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Doug Bashford" <play...@work.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:cKKdnY3sh_puLsnW...@pghconnect.com...
>
>
>
> > Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>
> Political apathy resulting from decades of deliberately inculcated
> consumerism and republican "greed is good" ideology.
>
> Truth always exists, but people have to have the convictions necessary to
> seek it.
^ Last I checked Obama is encouraging us to spend more to juice demand.
He and the Dems are consuming in record amounts.
So are you saying that all the consumerism that began with Ronny Reagan
never happened? Of course consumerism continues right through to
today....the result of years of Republican greed is good ideology. If we
stopped it all right now...today...the effects would last for at least the
next few decades.
Are you saying you're proud of it?
Bert Hyman
<vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Political apathy resulting from decades of deliberately inculcated
> consumerism and republican "greed is good" ideology.
That's funny.
Have you been noticing the government warnings that Americans are saving
too much and not spending enough, which will extend the recession?
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
Gandalf Grey
"Bert's Hymen" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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> In news:E8CdnUArx66TfMnW...@giganews.com "Gandalf Grey"
> <vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Political apathy resulting from decades of deliberately inculcated
>> consumerism and republican "greed is good" ideology.
>
> That's funny.
You're a moron, Hymen.
Kurt Nicklas
> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>
> In large part because there is no longer any Truth.
Tell me, Bashford, what is Truth to you.
5326 Dead, 459 since 1/20/09
That's a Randroid for you. It's good to sell, but not good to buy. If
workers can buy lots of stuff, that just means they are being paid too
much!
--
"Normandy beachhead participants did not know or guess that most of them
would die" - David Heil
Gandalf Grey
"5326 Dead, 459 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com> wrote in message
news:KYOdnWQnXvtoZMnW...@posted.carinet...
It's just a little hard to believe that they can't see what's happening and
why.
Gandalf Grey
"Kurtis T. Nicklas of 1293 Westbrook Ave, Elon, NC 27244-9372"
<nick...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 18, 2:18 pm, play...@work.edu (Doug Bashford) wrote:
> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>
> In large part because there is no longer any Truth.
^ Tell me, Bashford, what is Truth to you.
Whatever it might mean to him we KNOW that you're entire life is a lie,
Dickless.
So shut up.
5326 Dead, 459 since 1/20/09
> In news:E8CdnUArx66TfMnW...@giganews.com "Gandalf Grey"
> <vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Political apathy resulting from decades of deliberately inculcated
>> consumerism and republican "greed is good" ideology.
>
> That's funny.
>
> Have you been noticing the government warnings that Americans are saving
> too much and not spending enough, which will extend the recession?
Last time I looked, American savings rate was at -0.5% of income. That
was last year.
Has anything changed?
Kurt Nicklas
> "Kurtis T. Nicklas of 1293 Westbrook Ave, Elon, NC 27244-9372"<nickl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> news:11ceb59b-71f3-4555...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 18, 2:18 pm, play...@work.edu (Doug Bashford) wrote:
>
> > Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>
> > In large part because there is no longer any Truth.
>
> ^ Tell me, Bashford, what is Truth to you.
>
> Whatever it might mean to him
So what does it mean to you, Dick? Did they teach you anything about
Truth at Portland St.?
<snickers>
5326 Dead, 459 since 1/20/09
> "5326 Dead, 459 since 1/20/09" <de...@dead.com> wrote in message
> news:KYOdnWQnXvtoZMnW...@posted.carinet...
>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:57:20 -0800, Gandalf Grey wrote:
>>
>>> "Werner" <whet...@mac.com> wrote in message
>>> news:612398cc-82af-4cd6-a2fb-
a62f3c...@30g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jan 18, 5:30 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Doug Bashford" <play...@work.edu> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:cKKdnY3sh_puLsnW...@pghconnect.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>>>>
>>>> Political apathy resulting from decades of deliberately inculcated
>>>> consumerism and republican "greed is good" ideology.
>>>>
>>>> Truth always exists, but people have to have the convictions
>>>> necessary to seek it.
>>>
>>>
>>> ^ Last I checked Obama is encouraging us to spend more to juice
>>> demand. He and the Dems are consuming in record amounts.
>>>
>>> So are you saying that all the consumerism that began with Ronny
>>> Reagan never happened? Of course consumerism continues right through
>>> to today....the result of years of Republican greed is good ideology.
>>> If we stopped it all right now...today...the effects would last for at
>>> least the next few decades.
>>>
>>> Are you saying you're proud of it?
>>
>> That's a Randroid for you. It's good to sell, but not good to buy. If
>> workers can buy lots of stuff, that just means they are being paid too
>> much!
>
> It's just a little hard to believe that they can't see what's happening
> and why.
>
>
they're fundamentalists. When you have Revealed Truth, logic is not
permitted.
Morton Davis
"Doug Bashford" <pla...@work.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>
Because people like you SPAM off topic shit.
Gandalf Grey
Yeah. I should have remembered that fundamentalists are reality proof.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>
>"Doug Bashford" <pla...@work.edu> wrote in message
>news:cKKdnY3sh_puLsnW...@pghconnect.com...
>>
>> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>
>Political apathy resulting from decades of deliberately inculcated
>consumerism and democrat "everybodys money is bad, except for mine" ideology.
Corrected for accuracy.
>
>Truth always exists, but people have to have the convictions necessary to
>seek it.
>
Seems like a lot of Democrats are going to be convicted this year.
Gunner
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
Gandalf Grey
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:30:29 -0800, "Gandalf Grey" <vali...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Doug Bashford" <pla...@work.edu> wrote in message
>>news:cKKdnY3sh_puLsnW...@pghconnect.com...
>>>
>>> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>>
>>Political apathy resulting from decades of deliberately inculcated
>
> Corrected for accuracy.
>>
>>Truth always exists, but people have to have the convictions necessary to
>>seek it.
>>
>
>
> Gunner
>
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Im Buddhist and Conservative.
Was there any further buffoonery you wish to spew?
Gandalf Grey
No you're not.
5326 Dead, 459 since 1/20/09
Unless you happen to BE Werner, what the fuck does that have to do with
the price of apples?
>
> Was there any further buffoonery you wish to spew?
>
> Gunner
>
> "I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means.
> I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy
> in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I
> travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more
> public provisions were made for the poor the less they provided for
> themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less
> was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer."
> -- Benjamin Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
--
Man_of_Mind
>
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:30:29 -0800, "Gandalf Grey" replied:
>>
>> "Doug Bashford" <pla...@work.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>>
>> Political apathy resulting from decades of deliberately inculcated
>>
>> to seek it.
>
--Corrected for accuracy.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>
>"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>news:535al55uifdv7aupl...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:30:29 -0800, "Gandalf Grey" <vali...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Doug Bashford" <pla...@work.edu> wrote in message
>>>news:cKKdnY3sh_puLsnW...@pghconnect.com...
>>>>
>>>> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>>>
>>>Political apathy resulting from decades of deliberately inculcated
>>>consumerism and republican "greed is good" ideology.
>>
>> Corrected for accuracy.
>>>
>>>Truth always exists, but people have to have the convictions necessary to
>>>seek it.
>>>
>> Seems like a lot of republicans are going to be convicted this year.
>>
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>
Its entirely possible. Neither party has a lock on being Boy Scouts.
However...that being said..Democrats have a long and large history of
being criminals and going to prison. Unfortunately when they get
out..they repeat offend and go right back into office again. Which just
goes to show how butt stupid many Demonrats actually are..putting a
felon back into office. Marion Barry is just a prime example..but one
of many many thousands.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Actually...I am. Fascinating how retarded the recent crop of
Leftwingers are becoming. Perhaps that brain tap between the back of
your mush filled skull and DNC programming headquarters is causing the
mush between your ears to curdle?
None4U
"Bert Hyman" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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> In news:E8CdnUArx66TfMnW...@giganews.com "Gandalf Grey"
> <vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Political apathy resulting from decades of deliberately inculcated
>> consumerism and republican "greed is good" ideology.
>
> That's funny.
>
> Have you been noticing the government warnings that Americans are saving
> too much and not spending enough, which will extend the recession?
>
> --
>right down the tubes. Then cry we arent spending. We cant you made the
>dollar worthless. Cant afford anything now.
5326 Dead, 459 since 1/20/09
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:25:07 -0600, "5326 Dead, 459 since 1/20/09"
> <de...@dead.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:57:40 +0000, Bert Hyman wrote:
>>
>>> In news:E8CdnUArx66TfMnW...@giganews.com "Gandalf Grey"
>>> <vali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Political apathy resulting from decades of deliberately inculcated
>>>> consumerism and republican "greed is good" ideology.
>>>
>>> That's funny.
>>>
>>> Have you been noticing the government warnings that Americans are
>>> saving too much and not spending enough, which will extend the
>>> recession?
>>
>>Last time I looked, American savings rate was at -0.5% of income. That
>>was last year.
>>
>>Has anything changed?
>>
> Some things have, myself and most of my friends in the Fifty+ range
> really aren't spending a dime that doesn't need to be spent. No fancy
> vacations like the month spent in Europe in 2006 and annual Christmas
> Cruises for about the past ten years. Hell we didn't even really "do"
> Christmas this year, just got each of my grown daughters one "nice"
> present that was about $125 each. My wife & I didn't even rxchange
> gifts.
>
> Many of us lost positions in the 2007/2008 timeframe. I lost jobs due
> to no fault of my own in June of 2007 & again in February of 2008. Each
> time it was harder to find a position & my salary went down as well.
> From $157k to around $80k. My Wife's business is probably around 50%
> off her previous years average gross receipts.
>
> So are "some" people not spending, yeah there are. Especially those who
> lost their jobs, spent all their cash-reserves while unemployed to met
> living expenses and so-forth.
>
> Personally I don't see me spending a discrensionary dime for the next
> ten years until I retire. Oh yeah & those retirement accounts took it
> in the shorts so any "disposable" income needs to go into building those
> back up.
Where I live, about one in ten people have food stamps as their sole
official form of income. Of course there is a flourishing underground
economy, which is what happens when you make crucial benefits means
tested, but if someone's making $1,500 a year selling weed, I'm not going
to accuse them of cheating just because they are lying to the
government. Or working ten hours a week at six an hour "under the
table". Medications have become a type of second currency, and for quite
a few people, while a decent paying job is far more attractive than
welfare, it simply isn't worth taking because of the problems it causes
with medical coverage. So even when the economy recovers, there will
continue to be an underground economy because the laws have made making a
living untenable for a lot of people.
5326 Dead, 459 since 1/20/09
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:43:55 -0000, "Northern Raider"
> <surv...@northland.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Doug Bashford" <pla...@work.edu> wrote in message
>>news:cKKdnY3sh_puLsnW...@pghconnect.com...
>>>
>>> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>>>
>>Its all those inbred yanks realing from losing war after war, what em
>>get chased by a few kids out of Haiti like they in in Somalia and Nam.
>>
> Well that was articulate.
Maybe he's French. They seem to think the US has occupied Haiti. I note
that all three places he mentioned are disastrously failed French
colonies.
Gandalf Grey
Actually, you're a liar.
Gandalf Grey
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:52:53 -0800, "Gandalf Grey" <vali...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>>news:535al55uifdv7aupl...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:30:29 -0800, "Gandalf Grey" <vali...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Doug Bashford" <pla...@work.edu> wrote in message
>>>>news:cKKdnY3sh_puLsnW...@pghconnect.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>>>>
>>>>Political apathy resulting from decades of deliberately inculcated
>>>>consumerism and republican "greed is good" ideology.
>>>
>>> Corrected for accuracy.
>>>>
>>>>Truth always exists, but people have to have the convictions necessary
>>>>to
>>>>seek it.
>>>>
>>> Seems like a lot of republicans are going to be convicted this year.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>>
>>
> Its entirely possible. Neither party has a lock on being Boy Scouts.
> being criminals and going to prison. Unfortunately when they get
> out..they repeat offend and go right back into office again.
Fixed that for you.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
You of course can provide cites that Im not Buddhist?
Is that your claim?
Ok...provide them.
I shall be waiting. Failure to do so will simply prove to all and
sundry that you are a lying asshole of no value to anyone and when you
are bulldozed into a mass grave in less than 2 yrs, the general feeling
will be of relief.
Ill be waiting.
Gunner
The current Democratic party has lost its ideological basis for
existence.
- It is NOT fiscally responsible.
- It is NOT ethically honorable.
- It has started wars based on lies.
- It does not support the well-being of americans - only billionaires.
- It has suppresed constitutional guaranteed liberties.
- It has foisted a liar as president upon America.
- It has violated US national sovereignty in trade treaties.
- It has refused to enforce the national borders.
...It no longer has valid reasons to exist.
Lorad474
Gandalf Grey
Not necessary. It's self evident.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>
>"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>news:95lal5l2t3qkm5l31...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:52:53 -0800, "Gandalf Grey" <vali...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>>>news:535al55uifdv7aupl...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:30:29 -0800, "Gandalf Grey" <vali...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Doug Bashford" <pla...@work.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>news:cKKdnY3sh_puLsnW...@pghconnect.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>>>>>
>>>>>Political apathy resulting from decades of deliberately inculcated
>>>>>consumerism and republican "greed is good" ideology.
>>>>
>>>> Corrected for accuracy.
>>>>>
>>>>>Truth always exists, but people have to have the convictions necessary
>>>>>to
>>>>>seek it.
>>>>>
>>>> Seems like a lot of republicans are going to be convicted this year.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gunner
>>>>
>>>
>> Its entirely possible. Neither party has a lock on being Boy Scouts.
>> However...that being said..Democrats have a long and large history of
>> being criminals and going to prison. Unfortunately when they get
>> out..they repeat offend and go right back into office again.
>
>Fixed that for you.
Repaired to reflect reality.
Say..hows ol Marian Barry, and Gary Studds doing these days?
While you are pondering a cogent response...check out these...<G>
http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Scandals.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1980959/posts
http://rasmusen1.blogspot.com/2009/01/list-of-prominent-democrats-in-trouble.html
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/sentencSe.htm
http://www.bloggernews.net/111589
http://students.uis.edu/araut01s/cr/perspective.html
http://www.urbin.net/EWW/polyticks/democrats.html
Just a couple minutes of Google time. <G>
So perhaps your response wont be cogent?
Laugh laugh laugh
Gandalf Grey
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:10:39 -0800, "Gandalf Grey" <vali...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>>news:95lal5l2t3qkm5l31...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:52:53 -0800, "Gandalf Grey" <vali...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:535al55uifdv7aupl...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:30:29 -0800, "Gandalf Grey"
>>>>> <vali...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Doug Bashford" <pla...@work.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:cKKdnY3sh_puLsnW...@pghconnect.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Political apathy resulting from decades of deliberately inculcated
>>>>>>consumerism and republican "greed is good" ideology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Corrected for accuracy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Truth always exists, but people have to have the convictions necessary
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>seek it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like a lot of republicans are going to be convicted this year.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gunner
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Its entirely possible. Neither party has a lock on being Boy Scouts.
>>> being criminals and going to prison. Unfortunately when they get
>>> out..they repeat offend and go right back into office again.
>>
>>Fixed that for you.
>
> Repaired to reflect reality.
No problem.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
So you are claiming to have some sort of superior knowledge or a
"feeling"?
Ok..tell me..hell..tell US how its "self evident"
Be specific. Use all the white space you need.
Btw..I strongly suggest you look up Renzi Buddhist before showing
everyone your fat ass.
<VBG>
I will be waiting with great interest.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>>>> However...that being said..Democrats have a long and large history of
>>>> being criminals and going to prison. Unfortunately when they get
>>>> out..they repeat offend and go right back into office again.
>>>
>>>Fixed that for you.
>>
>> Repaired to reflect reality.
>
>No problem.
>
Say..hows ol Marian Barry, and Gary Studds doing these days?
While you are pondering a cogent response...check out these...<G>
http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Scandals.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1980959/posts
http://rasmusen1.blogspot.com/2009/01/list-of-prominent-democrats-in-trouble.html
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/sentencSe.htm
http://www.bloggernews.net/111589
http://students.uis.edu/araut01s/cr/perspective.html
http://www.urbin.net/EWW/polyticks/democrats.html
Just a couple minutes of Google time. <G>
So perhaps your response wont be cogent?
As I assumed..your argument wasnt cogent, and in fact..was fraudulant.
As was expected from a Leftard.
<VBG>
Gunner Asch
>On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:15:01 -0800, Gunner Asch
><gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>>Say..hows ol Marian Barry, and Gary Studds doing these days?
>
>Sweating alongside Tom Delay and Mark Foley
And these people?
<VBG>
http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Scandals.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1980959/posts
http://rasmusen1.blogspot.com/2009/01/list-of-prominent-democrats-in-trouble.html
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/sentencSe.htm
http://www.bloggernews.net/111589
http://students.uis.edu/araut01s/cr/perspective.html
http://www.urbin.net/EWW/polyticks/democrats.html
It would appear you have no more honor than the other Leftard.
But then..Leftards are noted for having no honor.
<VBG>
Stormin Mormon
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Zombywoof" <fish...@live.com> wrote in message
news:phacl5p5kttrvaqab...@4ax.com...
There was an underground economy before the mainstream
turned sour,
and they'll still be regardless of who well it bounces back.
I've
been bartering any number of things for years simple to beat
the tax
man. Why should I pay taxes on the buck I earn to pay it to
the
Dentist to fix a tooth and watch that same buck get taxed
yet again &
again. Dentist takes care of my teeth, I take care of his
office
network. Seems like a fair trade.
--
"Gustatus Similis Pullus"
Northern Raider
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:07:44 -0500, Zombywoof wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:43:55 -0000, "Northern Raider"
>> <surv...@northland.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Doug Bashford" <pla...@work.edu> wrote in message
>>>news:cKKdnY3sh_puLsnW...@pghconnect.com...
>>>>
>>>> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>>>>
>>>Its all those inbred yanks realing from losing war after war, what em
>>>get chased by a few kids out of Haiti like they in in Somalia and Nam.
>>>
>> Well that was articulate.
>
> Maybe he's French. They seem to think the US has occupied Haiti. I note
> that all three places he mentioned are disastrously failed French
> colonies.
>
yanks their victory in 1776, the last time BTW the yanks actually won
anything.
Northern Raider
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:30:59 -0600, "5326 Dead, 459 since 1/20/09"
> <de...@dead.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:07:44 -0500, Zombywoof wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:43:55 -0000, "Northern Raider"
>>> <surv...@northland.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Doug Bashford" <pla...@work.edu> wrote in message
>>>>news:cKKdnY3sh_puLsnW...@pghconnect.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
>>>>>
>>>>Its all those inbred yanks realing from losing war after war, what em
>>>>get chased by a few kids out of Haiti like they in in Somalia and Nam.
>>>>
>>> Well that was articulate.
>>
>>Maybe he's French. They seem to think the US has occupied Haiti. I note
>>that all three places he mentioned are disastrously failed French
>>colonies.
>>
Doug Bashford
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, Gunner Asch said:
Re: WHY is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket ?
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, "Gandalf Grey" wrote:
> >"Doug Bashford" wrote...
> >> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
..........snip
> Gunner
>
> "I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
> means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
> making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
> it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
> countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
> poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
> poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
> more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
> Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
While that quote seems to have gone viral on Usenet
and Republican forums, Franklin never wrote
anything titled "The Encouragement of Idleness."
However, he did write this about the Free Lunch
tax-cut politcians and those who seek them:
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money,
that will herald the end of the republic."
and:
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.
As nations become more corrupt and vicious,
they have more need of masters."
Of the willfully ignorant dittoheads
I wrote about here, he said:
"This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties.
A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and
prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved.
It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins. "
...or put another way;
"He who only knows one side of the case, knows little of that.
If he is unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side:
if he does not so much as know what they are,
he had no ground for preferring either opinion."
It is not enough that one simply has an unexamined belief
that happens to be true; one must understand why the belief
in question is the true one.
-- John Stuart Mill, (On Liberty, 1859, 38).
But why are Republicans against "A nation of well-informed men?"
Why do they preach "the three Rs," and teach-the-test?
Why do Republicans hate a true education?
Karl Rove answers:
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans
-- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
--Karl Rove, February 19, 2001
Any questions?
- If you scratch a cynic,
- you'll find a defeated idealist.
Gray Ghost
5XyMbWnZ2dn...@pghconnect.com:
I have one. Are you just plain stupid or really unable to grasp the irony of
what you've written?
>
>
> - If you scratch a cynic,
> - you'll find a defeated idealist.
>
>
--
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, but he did invent Global Warming.
"Hide the Decline"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk
31,486 American scientists, including 9,029 with PhDs, don't agree the
science is settled.
http://www.petitionproject.org/
What it appears to be all about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEZszGJHbK4&feature=video_response
Doug Bashford
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, Kurt Nicklas
said about:
> On Jan 18, 2:18=A0pm, play...@work.edu (Doug Bashford) wrote:
> > Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
> >
> > In large part because there is no longer any Truth.
>
> Tell me, Bashford, what is Truth to you.
I could answer that a zillion ways. Here's one.
Many things are matter of opinion, but unlike
Limbaughtomyville, many things are objectively
true or false. As Science teaches, these latter
must be falsifiable, else the question is not
within the realm of science. For example; "Martians
are secretly invading Earth," cannot be falsified,
thus it is outside the realm of Scientific inquiry.
Also negatives can not normally be proven, such as:
"Saddam must prove he has *NO* WMD."
In debate, or when testing things in general, I
try to chose the scientific aspect, since facts are facts
and opinions are opinions. Factually, opinions
are not true or false, and thus should not be
debated. But what can often be debated is the
reasoning behind the opinions. The debate is ended
when one discovers either a difference in the facts,
or in values. Normally it's in the facts, since
most Americans have similar values.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Oddly enough...in tthe Real World..Conservatives are the smart people,
the doers, movers and shakers..the folks that get things done.
Liberals and Leftwingers are butt stupid, are nearly unable to find
their own asses with either hand and could not pour piss out of a boot
with instructions on the heels. Yet they hold themeselves as the Smart
Ones, the Elite, high above all others. But then..they have little to
do with the Real World.
And I live in California. In the world of industry..its Conservatives
who run and manage nearly everything. Democrats have their minions in
Government and education, and damned little else.
Any further comments?
Gunner
Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
something damned nasty to all three of them.
Gunner Asch
Shusss..Im lining him up just so I can fuck with him, just before we
impale him on the 20' pole.
Kurt Nicklas
If you claim to be able to define Truth, Bashford, then
why did you make the statement above, "In large part because there is
no longer any Truth."?
What Truth were you speaking about? Or is it simply because
a decreasing number of people believe what you believe and that's
what you're mourning here?
SaPeIsMa
What was the name of that Sci-Fi novel ?
"The Marching Morons"
You could change that to
"The Marching Morons : A Tale about Liberals"
Beam Me Up Scotty
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:36:15 -0700, smo...@board.net wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:13:16 -0600, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "The Marching Morons : A Tale about Liberals"
>>
>>
>> Name anything conservatism (or worse, loonytarianism) ever did to make
>> a great nation.
>
>
> Conservatives are just people who worship long dead liberals.
Ahhhh.... so it was Liberals that put Slavery in the Constitution, you
Libs don't usually admit to being pro slavery, but it's refreshing to see.
Gray Ghost
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:13:16 -0600, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "The Marching Morons : A Tale about Liberals"
>
> You mean the ideology that made America, and made it great?
>
> Name anything conservatism (or worse, loonytarianism) ever did to make
> a great nation.
>
Pretty much evertything as liberals are useless except for fertilizer.
Gray Ghost
news:4b5c8ee4$0$2512$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:
Uh-oh. Liberal, meet your petard. Now the screeching can begin.
Beam Me Up Scotty
> smo...@board.net wrote in news:26qol59ko0a6j9c0t...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:13:16 -0600, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "The Marching Morons : A Tale about Liberals"
>>
>> You mean the ideology that made America, and made it great?
>>
>> Name anything conservatism (or worse, loonytarianism) ever did to make
>> a great nation.
>>
>
> Pretty much evertything as liberals are useless except for fertilizer.
>
That was Mao's thought also.
Beam Me Up Scotty
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:23:44 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
> <Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Conservatives are just people who worship long dead liberals.
>>
>> Ahhhh.... so it was Liberals that put Slavery in the Constitution, you
>> Libs don't usually admit to being pro slavery, but it's refreshing to see.
>
>
>
> George Washington, Thomas Paine, Lincoln, Jefferson, Adams, etc. etc.
> - all liberals. All our nation's heroes over 100 years ago were
> liberals in their day. (Conservative icons fade with history. reagan
> will not be remembered as the GOP tries to enshrine him now. )
> Liberals advance society. They make for the new status quo that
> conservatives later worship as signs there country is a leader in the
> world and great.
>
> Conservatives do things like try to contain, suppress, marginalize and
> kill the likes of Martin Luther King, Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie, and
> on and on, who later become our nations icons, heroes,
Hero's of the Leftists? The CIA didn't KILL any of them. Pete Seeger is
or was about 100 years old last I heard, he's a good Socialist and a
nice guy, why would a conservative want him dead. Pete was nothing but a
Folk singer with a CULT following. Woody was a Bum and a good one, no
reason to hurt him. Their tunes were catchy but their politics were
irrational and stupid. You are creating an urban legend out of a couple
of guitar and banjo pickers.... You are grasping at straws. MLK was a
valid HERO of the Left following in the footsteps of the Civil War
Republicans fighting for civil rights.
And it was Republican Lincoln that freed the slaves and Republican
President Grant that started "Reconstruction".... The first "civil
rights" laws.
Keep digging, you're almost to the 6 ft deep hole that you need to lay
down and take a nap in.
Beam Me Up Scotty
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:32:19 -0600, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
> (Gray Ghost) wrote:
>
>>> Ahhhh.... so it was Liberals that put Slavery in the Constitution, you
>>> Libs don't usually admit to being pro slavery, but it's refreshing to see.
>>
>> Uh-oh. Liberal, meet your petard. Now the screeching can begin.
>
>
President Lincoln and President Grant, look them up and read....
Also many religious people disliked slavery and refused to engage in it.
Gray Ghost
news:p55pl5h5sev080r57...@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:32:19 -0600, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
> (Gray Ghost) wrote:
>
>>> Ahhhh.... so it was Liberals that put Slavery in the Constitution, you
>>> Libs don't usually admit to being pro slavery, but it's refreshing to
>>> see.
>>
>>Uh-oh. Liberal, meet your petard. Now the screeching can begin.
>
>
> Tell me what great progress conservatives delivered in America?
>
All of it.
Gray Ghost
4ax.com:
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:10:24 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
><Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>
>>Also many religious people disliked slavery and refused to engage in it.
>
>
> Yep, liberals - like the Quakers.
>
Really, you think Quakers are Liberals? They approve of homosexual marriage,
drugs, indolence, government interference in religion?
My God are you deluded.
RD (The Sandman)
news:q09pl5dsi5j497gl7...@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:39:07 -0600, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
> (Gray Ghost) wrote:
>
>>retro...@comcast.net wrote in
>>news:288pl51hpfeepmnml36kq27emk4jr46ioe@ 4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:10:24 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
>>><Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Also many religious people disliked slavery and refused to engage in
>>>>it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, liberals - like the Quakers.
>>>
>>
>>Really, you think Quakers are Liberals? They approve of homosexual
>>marriage, drugs, indolence, government interference in religion?
>>
>>My God are you deluded.
>
>
> Most Quakers are to the left of Unitarians.
>
> Google liberal and quakers and you'll get 2 million hits.
Which could be one comment and 1,999,999 references to it. Since when do
hit counts show much of anything?
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Some points to ponder:
Why is it good if a vacuum cleaner really sucks?
Why is the third hand on a clock called the "second hand"?
Why did Kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
Why do we sing "Take me out to the ballgame" when we are already
there?
RD (The Sandman)
news:4n4pl55rhqsinh083...@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:23:44 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
> <Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Conservatives are just people who worship long dead liberals.
>>
>>Ahhhh.... so it was Liberals that put Slavery in the Constitution,
>>you Libs don't usually admit to being pro slavery, but it's refreshing
>>to see.
>
>
> Geesh. Your stupidity gets ever weirder.
>
> George Washington, Thomas Paine, Lincoln, Jefferson, Adams, etc. etc.
> - all liberals. All our nation's heroes over 100 years ago were
> liberals in their day. (Conservative icons fade with history. reagan
> will not be remembered as the GOP tries to enshrine him now. )
And Bush will not be remembered as Democrats try to disparage him now.
Time mellows both history and memories.
Gunner Asch
>On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:32:19 -0600, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
>(Gray Ghost) wrote:
>
>>> Ahhhh.... so it was Liberals that put Slavery in the Constitution, you
>>> Libs don't usually admit to being pro slavery, but it's refreshing to see.
>>
>>Uh-oh. Liberal, meet your petard. Now the screeching can begin.
>
>
>Tell me what great progress conservatives delivered in America?
Civil Rights for one. You do know it was Republicans, from Abe Lincoln
forwards who stood for Civil Rights, while the Democrats were against
it, right?
You do know the KKK has been a Democrat organization for most of its
140+ history..right?
George Wallace, Bull Connors, Lester Maddox, Bill Clintons
Grandfather..all Democrat segrigationists..just to name a tiny faction.
Hell..look at Robert Byrd..Democrat, who was a KKK recruiter for much of
his life. Now the most "respected" Democrat.
So you dont think Civil Rights is a good thing? Hummm..given the racism,
bigotry and bias of you Democrats..I can believe you think it to be a
bad thing.
Gunner Asch
>On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:10:24 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
><Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>
>>Also many religious people disliked slavery and refused to engage in it.
>
>
>Yep, liberals - like the Quakers.
You seem to be not understanding that there was a lable switch in the
early 20th century...Conservatives used to be called Liberals, and
Leftwingers were called Conservatives.
Then the labels were switched.
Feel free to google it.
A friend sent this to me tonight. After reading it and having a good
chuckle, I realized that some of these are much truer than most people
realize. It sort of defines the core differences of the conservative
being independent and the liberal being dependent � mostly on the Gov�t.
I guess it comes down to liberals feeling inadequate and wanting someone
to provide for them or someone to make their life easier. Or maybe they
are feeling sorry for some other person (guilty about their own success
maybe?) and wanting someone to help that person instead of extending
their own hand in assistance.
Anyway, if you are liberal, are you offended by the comparison below?
Do you see any truth in it?
If a conservative doesn�t like guns, he doesn�t buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for
everyone.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat
his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
If a black man or Hispanic is conservative, they see themselves as
independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of
government protection.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his
situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn�t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don�t like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn�t go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
(Unless it�s a foreign religion, of course!)
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping
for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is
embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he's in
labor and then sues.
If a conservative reads this, he�ll have a good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he's "offended".
'If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the
newspaper you are misinformed." - Mark Twain.
Gunner Asch
>On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:37:26 -0600, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
>(Gray Ghost) wrote:
>
>>retro...@comcast.net wrote in
>>news:p55pl5h5sev080r57...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:32:19 -0600, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
>>> (Gray Ghost) wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Ahhhh.... so it was Liberals that put Slavery in the Constitution, you
>>>>> Libs don't usually admit to being pro slavery, but it's refreshing to
>>>>> see.
>>>>
>>>>Uh-oh. Liberal, meet your petard. Now the screeching can begin.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tell me what great progress conservatives delivered in America?
>>>
>>
>>All of it.
>
>
>Wow, the depth of thought you are capable of !
>Sheesh. A knee jerk with no content.
As opposed to you..a jerk with no content.
Gunner Asch
>On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:23:44 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
><Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Conservatives are just people who worship long dead liberals.
>>
>>Ahhhh.... so it was Liberals that put Slavery in the Constitution, you
>>Libs don't usually admit to being pro slavery, but it's refreshing to see.
>
>
>Geesh. Your stupidity gets ever weirder.
Geeze..your Ignorance never gets any smaller.
I strongly suggest you educate yourself by simply googling the term
Classical Liberalism..and then google Neo-Liberalism and New
Liberal.....it will shame you to know that you share NOTHING with the
below individuals you claim are your sort of Neo Liberals. They would
have challenged you to a duel, and killed you.
>
>George Washington, Thomas Paine, Lincoln, Jefferson, Adams, etc. etc.
>- all liberals. All our nation's heroes over 100 years ago were
>liberals in their day. (Conservative icons fade with history. reagan
>will not be remembered as the GOP tries to enshrine him now. )
>Liberals advance society. They make for the new status quo that
>conservatives later worship as signs there country is a leader in the
>world and great.
>
>Conservatives do things like try to contain, suppress, marginalize and
>kill the likes of Martin Luther King, Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie, and
>on and on, who later become our nations icons, heroes,
Oh..and dont forget Che Guevarra as well. A great hero to modern day
Liberals.
Btw..you do know that Dr King..was a Republican, right?
laugh laugh laugh
Gunner
Gunner Asch
>On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:03:15 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
><Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>
>>On 1/24/2010 1:42 PM, retro...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:23:44 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
>>> <Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Conservatives are just people who worship long dead liberals.
>>>>
>>>> Ahhhh.... so it was Liberals that put Slavery in the Constitution, you
>>>> Libs don't usually admit to being pro slavery, but it's refreshing to see.
>>>
>>>
>>> Geesh. Your stupidity gets ever weirder.
>>>
>>> George Washington, Thomas Paine, Lincoln, Jefferson, Adams, etc. etc.
>>> - all liberals. All our nation's heroes over 100 years ago were
>>> liberals in their day. (Conservative icons fade with history. reagan
>>> will not be remembered as the GOP tries to enshrine him now. )
>>> Liberals advance society. They make for the new status quo that
>>> conservatives later worship as signs there country is a leader in the
>>> world and great.
>>>
>>> Conservatives do things like try to contain, suppress, marginalize and
>>> kill the likes of Martin Luther King, Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie, and
>>> on and on, who later become our nations icons, heroes,
>>
>>Hero's of the Leftists? The CIA didn't KILL any of them. Pete Seeger is
>>or was about 100 years old last I heard, he's a good Socialist and a
>>nice guy, why would a conservative want him dead. Pete was nothing but a
>>Folk singer with a CULT following.
>
>And the McCarthyite's blacklisted him and kept him off TV.
>
Of course they did. He was/is a Socialist/Marxist.
>
>Woody was a Bum and a good one, no
>>reason to hurt him. Their tunes were catchy but their politics were
>>irrational and stupid.
>
>
>And yet every kids learns to sing "This Land is Your Land", but again
>the conservatives tried to bottle him up.
Really? Then how did all the kids learn to sing that tune?
>
>
>>You are creating an urban legend out of a couple
>>of guitar and banjo pickers.... You are grasping at straws.
>
>
>Nah I just didn't feel like taking the time to develop a list.
You are too stupid to do more than provide sound bytes.
>
>
>>MLK was a
>>valid HERO of the Left following in the footsteps of the Civil War
>>Republicans fighting for civil rights.
>
>Are you familiar with how J Edgar tried to squelch him? Or Reagan's
>"civil rights " team folks who called him Martin Luther Coon?
You seem to be leaving out those who tried and ultimately killed him....
Lester Maddox, Bull Connors, George Wallace..all straight Democrats.
As were all those that started and ran the KKK, Order of the White
Camialia etc etc etc ..right?
>
>>
>>And it was Republican Lincoln that freed the slaves and Republican
>>President Grant that started "Reconstruction"....
>
>
>yeah back when there were liberal republicans. In that era the GOP was
>predominately liberal and the Dems were conservative. any one who
>reads history (excepting the Texas School Board) knows that.
>
>And you confuse parties with what we were talking about.- Liberals and
>conservatives.
You seem to forget that the labels changed sides in the early 20th
Century.
>
>>The first "civil
>>rights" laws.
>
>A phenomenal liberal. read his writings on corporations.
>
>Eg.
>"We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end.
>It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood � It has indeed been a
>trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the near future a crisis
>approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety
>of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been
>enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the
>money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by
>working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is
>aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at
>this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever
>before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may
>prove groundless."
>
>� Letter from Lincoln to Col. William F. Elkins, Nov. 21, 1864
>
>>
>>Keep digging, you're almost to the 6 ft deep hole that you need to lay
>>down and take a nap in.
>
>Well trying to shovel truth and knowledge into your gaping ignorance
>and revisionism IS hard work.
Your ignorance is awe inspiring for all the readers. You live in a
cave, right?
Gray Ghost
news:Xns9D0A8DBCD...@216.196.97.130:
> retro...@comcast.net wrote in
> news:q09pl5dsi5j497gl7...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:39:07 -0600, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
>> (Gray Ghost) wrote:
>>
>>>retro...@comcast.net wrote in
>>>news:288pl51hpfeepmnml36kq27emk4jr46ioe@ 4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:10:24 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
>>>><Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Also many religious people disliked slavery and refused to engage in
>>>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep, liberals - like the Quakers.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Really, you think Quakers are Liberals? They approve of homosexual
>>>marriage, drugs, indolence, government interference in religion?
>>>
>>>My God are you deluded.
>>
>>
>> Most Quakers are to the left of Unitarians.
>>
>> Google liberal and quakers and you'll get 2 million hits.
>
> Which could be one comment and 1,999,999 references to it. Since when do
> hit counts show much of anything?
>
>
>
>
When you're an empty head looking for support when there isn't any.
Gray Ghost
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:39:07 -0600, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
> (Gray Ghost) wrote:
>
>>retro...@comcast.net wrote in news:288pl51hpfeepmnml36kq27emk4jr46ioe@
>>4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:10:24 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
>>><Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Also many religious people disliked slavery and refused to engage in
>>>>it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, liberals - like the Quakers.
>>>
>>
>>Really, you think Quakers are Liberals? They approve of homosexual
>>marriage, drugs, indolence, government interference in religion?
>>
>>My God are you deluded.
>
>
> Most Quakers are to the left of Unitarians.
>
> Google liberal and quakers and you'll get 2 million hits.
>
> Are you prepared to tell me what my religion is really about? ;->
Unless someone has changed the traditional meaning I rather doubt it. Of
course being pacifists they are mentally ill so there is no telling.
Doug Bashford
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, Gray Ghost said about:
Re: WHY is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket ?
> (Doug Bashford) wrote:
> > in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, Gunner Asch said:
> >> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, "Gandalf Grey" wrote:
> >> >"Doug Bashford" wrote...
> >
> >
> >> >> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
> >
> > ..........snip
> >
> >> Gunner
> >>
> >> "I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
> >> means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
> >> making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
> >> it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
> >> countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
> >> poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
> >> poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
> >> more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
> >> Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
> >
> > While that quote seems to have gone viral on Usenet
> > and Republican forums, Franklin never wrote
> > anything titled "The Encouragement of Idleness."
> >
> > However, he did write this about the Free Lunch
> > tax-cut politcians and those who seek them:
> >
> > "When the people find that they can vote themselves money,
> > that will herald the end of the republic."
> >
> > and:
> >
> > "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.
> > As nations become more corrupt and vicious,
> > they have more need of masters."
> >
> > Of the willfully ignorant dittoheads
> > I wrote about here, he said:
> > "This will be the best security for maintaining our liberties.
> > A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and
> > prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved.
> > It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins. "
> >
> > ...or put another way;
> > "He who only knows one side of the case, knows little of that.
> > If he is unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side:
> > if he does not so much as know what they are,
> > he had no ground for preferring either opinion."
> > It is not enough that one simply has an unexamined belief
> > that happens to be true; one must understand why the belief
> > in question is the true one.
> > -- John Stuart Mill, (On Liberty, 1859, 38).
> >
> > But why are Republicans against "A nation of well-informed men?"
> > Why do they preach "the three Rs," and teach-the-test?
> > Why do Republicans hate a true education?
> > Karl Rove answers:
> > "As people do better, they start voting like Republicans
> > -- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
> > which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
> > --Karl Rove, February 19, 2001
> >
> > Any questions?
>
> I have one. Are you just plain stupid or really unable to grasp the irony of
> what you've written?
Oh, I'd say ONE of us is stupid. ...or brainwashed.
Why don't you try and expalain it to poor me?
I'm betting yer running on empty, shooting blanks.
"When fascism comes to America, it will not be a drooling monster
wearing jack boots and swastikas, but wearing Nike sneakers and
a smiley tee-shirt. Smiley-smiley!" -- George Carlin
- Political Economics:
plutocracy plu�toc�ra�cy
1. Government by the wealthy.
2. A wealthy class that controls a government.
3. A government or state in which the wealthy rule.
- "Fascism should more properly be called
- corporatism, since it is the merger
- of state and corporate power."
-- - Benito Mussolini, father of fascism.
A merger? So? How might that merger happen today in America?
Well in this case, what's the difference between merger and the
government's ongoing deregulation of the bankers & Wall Street?
Not much that I can see. Voila!
- Socialism: The government/people own the corporations.
- Fascism: The corporations/government own the people.
The investment bankers, Goldman Sachs Group, Inc is a person, not in fact, not in flesh, not in any tangible form, but in law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood
To their everlasting credit, this is not what the Founding Fathers intended.
For 100 years after the U.S.A. was born, our founders, -- recognizing the super powers and
extra privileges and unnatural advantages that government was granting to corporations,
restricted their purpose to serving the common good. Every four years, their charters came up
for renewal, and corporations had to prove that indeed this is what they were accomplishing.
Our founding fathers rightfully feared the power of these otherwise everlasting super
creations. Even so, in hind sight, their worst blunder was in underestimating the corporate
power and influence brought by the future.
In 1886, under increasing corporate power, a questionable court ruling changed all that, and
the public good has been increasingly compromised until it was finally displaced altogether. It
looks like tipping point has been reached, there is no going back. The game has changed.
Today, with the courts defining money as speech and corporations as people, the First Amendment
protects the right of corporations-as-persons to control political campaigns and to employ
lobbyists, who then specify and redeem the incurred obligations. Legalized bribery in the name of Free Speech! Corporations can now toss around tens of billions of dollars in every election, forever to get just what they want. ...Next, the right to bear arms and organize "militias?" Why not? These are God-like powers. "If power corrupts, then...."
This how low America has sunk.
Democracy has been transformed into a covert plutocracy. Our new rulers have deemed that
public policy no longer be crafted to serve the American people at large. It is shaped instead
to maintain, protect, and create wealth and opportunities for corporate profit.
This is no Evil conspiracy of hidden back room plotters.
This is just simple unregulated economic forces obeying simple economic principles.
It's now one dollar, one vote. Representative government is dead.
- Fascism: The corporations/government own the people.
Economic quiz:
With just simple unregulated economic forces obeying simple economic principles, guess what's next.
Doug Bashford
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, On Sat, Gunner Asch said:
> Shusss..Im lining him up just so I can fuck with him, just before we
> impale him on the 20' pole. > Gunner
Have at it Big Talker.
You gunna impale poor little confused me?
I'm betting yer both running on empty, shooting blanks.
Why?
Have you guys ever wondered why Richpubelickins are ALWAYS wrong?
Do you actually think it's coincedence?
Find any WMD lately? Hows yer Culture of Corruption going?
Want a refresher?
Rush Limbaugh:
"Voters who voted yesterday believe that
Republicans are 'the big government party' now.
How can you blame them?"
-- Rush Limbaugh November 8, 2006
But Limbaugh & peons have always valued rhetoric over action.
Since the Republicans have in reality been the big borrow
and spenders ever since Reagan, and long defended deficit
spending as; 'no big deal,' that's not quite right.
Try this:
"Voters who voted yesterday believe that
Republicans are 'the Party of Sleaze' now.
How can you blame them?"
That statement valus deeds over RW rhetoric.
For examples, Google:
Yahoo! Message Boards - Republican vs Democrat - Exit Polls Show
...
1 post - Last post: Nov 8, 2006
Exit Polls Show Corruption As Most Important National Issue
8-Nov-06 02:03 pm
BREAKING: Exit Polls Show Corruption As Most Important National
Issue
Posted by Think Progress November 7
...CNN just released the first exit polls, showing that national
issues matter more than local issues to voters this year, with
the issue of corruption leading:
........snip
want more?
Back to my main point:
Have you guys ever wondered why Richpubelickins are ALWAYS wrong?
Do you actually think it's coincedence?
Wanna know why that is?
Clue: Take away the empty rhetoric and see:
Republickins ratfuck Jesus. That means:
Your foundational assumptions are wrong.
Your castle is built on sand.
You will ALWAYS be wrong if you stick with
the Party of No, and Greed, and the Free Lunch
whining irresponsible tax cutters et al.
Your foundational assumptions are corrupt and false.
That's why.
Or do you actually think it's coincedence?
Gray Ghost
news:NemdnVVUHffwIsHW...@pghconnect.com:
Oh well. Stupid is as stupid emotes. Run, Doug, run!
Unregulated? Have you read a newspaper in the last 20 years?
>
> It's now one dollar, one vote. Representative government is dead.
> - Fascism: The corporations/government own the people.
>
> Economic quiz:
> With just simple unregulated economic forces obeying simple economic
> principles, guess what's next.
--
Gray Ghost
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:05:29 -0800, Gunner Asch
><gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
>> wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
>> something damned nasty to all three of them.
>
> Like make american a better place to live?
>
> I kinda like the notion of your taking it in the ass to help out doing
> that, Cunter.
>
> Snicker
>
>
Forcible sodomy, another Liberal policy. Wow and you wonder why normal people
need guns.
Doug Bashford
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, On Sat, 23, Gunner Asch said:
> > - If you scratch a cynic,
> > - you'll find a defeated idealist.
>
>
> Oddly enough...in tthe Real World..Conservatives are the smart people,
> the doers, movers and shakers..the folks that get things done.
Yes, that IS an odd opinion, ...and wrong.
> Liberals and Leftwingers are butt stupid, are nearly unable to find
> their own asses with either hand and could not pour piss out of a boot
> with instructions on the heels.
Oh please.
> Yet they hold themeselves as the Smart
> Ones, the Elite, high above all others.
Well, with Repubs being proven WRONG about EVERTHING,
you must admit, it would take a strong man to not
toot that trumpet, whether true or false.
Hows those WMD going? Find Obama's birth certificate yet?
How about your Great Evil Liberal Conspiracy Plot that
is your excuse for cutting yourself off from all
respected forms of input from reality: Media and the Press,
academia,, even encyclopedias and Science are Evil now,
even cocktail party and office banter, and to ALL
be rejected BEFORE consideration?
Self censorship, that's the richest kind.
Proud ignorance!
> But then..they have little to
> do with the Real World.
You do have Limbaugh & Savage's talking points down!
>
> And I live in California. In the world of industry..its Conservatives
> who run and manage nearly everything. Democrats have their minions in
> Government and education, and damned little else.
>
> Any further comments? > Gunner
- Political Economics:
It's now one dollar, one vote. Representative government is dead.
Doug Bashford
SaPeIsMa said:
.......snip
> What was the name of that Sci-Fi novel ?
This one won four Oscars.
Network -
"...you have meddled with the primal forces of nature!
And you will atone!"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzSj1yNZdY8&feature=relate
No-bammer
> Why is AMERICA Going to HELL in a Handbasket?
The main reasons are the Left Wing Wacko and the Left Wing Wacko Media
and B Hussein Obama and his Band of Left Wing Wacko Thugs.
Gunner Asch
>On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:04:41 -0800, Gunner Asch
><gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>>You seem to be not understanding that there was a lable switch in the
>>early 20th century...Conservatives used to be called Liberals, and
>>Leftwingers were called Conservatives.
>>
>>Then the labels were switched.
>
>Ah, so then you do admit calling southern racists by a party label
>instead of the ideology they embrance is wrong?
Nope. Such was not part of the question, and your attempts to divert
from the FACTs is noted with continued contempt.
Facts of the matter is..the Klan was/is a Democrat funded and founded
organization for most of its history.
And that..is all that counts.
Was there any further buffoonery you wished to spew out?
Gunner
Gunner Asch
>On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:05:29 -0800, Gunner Asch
><gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your
>> wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do
>> something damned nasty to all three of them.
>
>Like make american a better place to live?
>
>I kinda like the notion of my taking it in the ass to help out doing
>that, Cunter.
>
>Snicker
Further proof that you can be saved. However you will be murdered along
with most of the Leftwingers within 2 yrs. So..its a moot point.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>> >
>> >I have one. Are you just plain stupid or really unable to grasp the irony of
>> >what you've written?
>>
>>
>> Shusss..Im lining him up just so I can fuck with him, just before we
>> impale him on the 20' pole. > Gunner
>
>Have at it Big Talker.
>You gunna impale poor little confused me?
>I'm betting yer both running on empty, shooting blanks.
>Why?
>Have you guys ever wondered why Richpubelickins are ALWAYS wrong?
Have you mentally ill leftards considered why you always consider
Republicans wrong?
Its simply part and parcel of your mental health issues.
Shrug
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>>
>> Oddly enough...in tthe Real World..Conservatives are the smart people,
>> the doers, movers and shakers..the folks that get things done.
>
>Yes, that IS an odd opinion, ...and wrong.
>
And one opposite of the mentally ill Leftards.
Shrug..and?
Why do you think you are known to be mentally ill?