>> "Hawke" <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>> news:jn7hof$ehj$3@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> On 4/22/2012 3:05 PM, Scout wrote:

>>>> "Hawke" <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:jn1puk$f9n$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>> On 4/21/2012 12:10 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>>> Hawke<davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote in news:jmv0ao$tk4$1
>>>>>> @speranza.aioe.org:

>>>>>>> On 4/20/2012 3:09 PM, Phil Kangas wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Just Me"
>>>>>>>> Most states have laws requiring you to purchase
>>>>>>>> auto insurance from a
>>>>>>>> private entity, how is this different?
>>>>>>>> And I happen to agree on some version of single
>>>>>>>> payer medicare for
>>>>>>>> all.It seems to work well in the rest of the
>>>>>>>> world.

>>>>>>>> You need auto ins. _if_ you have a car. You need a
>>>>>>>> building permit
>>>>>>>> _if_ you are building. The gov't cannot force
>>>>>>>> every American to send
>>>>>>>> monthly payments for life to a private for profit
>>>>>>>> company, period.
>>>>>>>> Don't do it and you are fined (not taxed) for not
>>>>>>>> following the law.
>>>>>>>> phil k.

>>>>>>> The government has the right and the power to take your freedom away
>>>>>>> from you and your life. Why in the world would you think it can't
>>>>>>> require you to join in a communal health care network? That seems
>>>>>>> a no
>>>>>>> brainer as far as what the government can do. Of course the
>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>> can do that. Especially when you know the people voted for
>>>>>>> representatives who are doing what they majority wants.

>>>>>> I don't think the majority is in favor of the individual mandate. We
>>>>>> shall see in June what the Supreme Court thinks of it.

>>>>> The individual mandate is not that relevant really. It's really about
>>>>> whether as a nation we decide to have some kind of national system to
>>>>> care for the health of our citizens. Most people do want that.

>>>> They may want it......but they don't want to pay for it.

>>>> It's kind of like wanting a Mansion and a expensive sports car, but
>>>> realizing that you can't afford it.

>>>> America can't afford it.

>>>> We can't even pay the bills now....and you want to massively expand the
>>>> entitlements?

>>> Except for one thing, a well run national health care system provides
>>> everyone with good health care at a lower price. Why would the
>>> majority not want that?

>> Not necessarily. Some countries have health care that is worse than ours
>> despite having a national health care system. Other countries have gone
>> all but bankrupt attempting to fund their national health care system.
>> Sure, it can work...in some cases. Likewise, it can also fail
>> drastically....in some cases.
>> Nor do I see how my health care is going to improve and get cheaper when
>> I have to pay for all those who don't have health care now. Where do you
>> expect the money to come from to cover all these people?

>> I will just accept your approval of the Bush upgrade to Part D. After
>> all. it's what you want, right?

>> I will just point out that in FY 2011 the Medicare/Medicaid budget was
>> $835 Billion, or 23% of the total US budget.

>> How much will universal health care cost the American taxpayer. Will
>> those taxpayers actually save money...or will they get saddled with the
>> costs of all those who don't pay and are exempt from paying as well?

> I guess you just haven't understood the problem we have with the current
> health care system. Here's the problem we're facing. The system we have
> had for decades continues to go up in costs faster than inflation and has
> done so every year. We're getting to the point where it is going to be
> costing every family 20,000 a year for health insurance.