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Robert L. Ray

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Oct 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/17/96
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Pim Van Meurs wrote:
>
> After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my participation
> on TPG and will close down my website.

RR: Sorry to see you go. Keep the faith. But I hope you keep
your website. It's a great resource.

Pim Van Meurs

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Oct 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/18/96
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After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my participation
on TPG and will close down my website.
It was an attempt to involve others in the pros and cons of an
hot criminological issue, a discussion for which I had
opened up my website to all who had something to say on the issue.
But the recent personal attacks have made me conclude that my
contribution(s) were not appreciated.
I would like to thank all those with whom I have had interesting
and challenging discussion.

Regards

Pim
--
--
http://www.eskimo.com/~entheta Check it out !!!

Bang

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Oct 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/18/96
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Geez, if you never have a more pressing family issue to discuss, or
agonize over, you will be a very lucky person.

AMF

--

The Northeast Illinois Shooters' Info Service

http://www.concentric.net/~peatea56/index.shtml

Dude

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Oct 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/18/96
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ent...@eskimo.com (Pim Van Meurs) wrote:

>After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my participation
>on TPG and will close down my website.
>It was an attempt to involve others in the pros and cons of an
>hot criminological issue, a discussion for which I had
>opened up my website to all who had something to say on the issue.
>But the recent personal attacks have made me conclude that my
>contribution(s) were not appreciated.
>I would like to thank all those with whom I have had interesting
>and challenging discussion.

Later Pimbecile........take KKKemmerer with ya.


Glen Swaim

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Oct 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/18/96
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In article <548e5q$6...@news.internetmci.com>, Big...@farout.net (Dude) wrote:
Let them drive you away and they have won. The personal attacks are crap.
People on the net can make these personal attacks because they are
dealing with a faceless post. Never would they do it in person. Sorry to see
you leave and I don't even know which side of the gun control issue you are
on. Hopefully the pro-gun side.
::}
::}Later Pimbecile........take KKKemmerer with ya.
Remarks like these are stupid and you should just consider the source.

::}

John Johnson

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Oct 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/18/96
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In <548en5$d...@news.ingr.com> sw...@hiwaay.net (Glen Swaim) writes:
>
> In article <548e5q$6...@news.internetmci.com>, Big...@farout.net
> (Dude) wrote:
>::} ent...@eskimo.com (Pim Van Meurs) wrote:
>::}
>::}> After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my
>::}> participation on TPG and will close down my website.
>::}> It was an attempt to involve others in the pros and cons of an
>::}> hot criminological issue, a discussion for which I had
>::}> opened up my website to all who had something to say on the
>::}> issue.
>::}> But the recent personal attacks have made me conclude that my
>::}> contribution(s) were not appreciated.
>::}> I would like to thank all those with whom I have had interesting
>::}> and challenging discussion.
>
> Let them drive you away and they have won. The personal attacks are
> crap. People on the net can make these personal attacks because they
> are dealing with a faceless post. Never would they do it in person.

Not necessarily true; and I believe it was the possibility of
face-to-face personal attacks which drove Pim away. |:-|

> Sorry to see you leave and I don't even know which side of the gun
> control issue you are on. Hopefully the pro-gun side.

I do not care which side Pim was/is on (and everyone who reads
this News Group with any regularity knows he and I didn't exactly
"see eye-to-eye"), but his leaving does nothing but stifle the
on-going exchange of ideas regarding firearms rights and personal
freedoms.
I, too, hate to see him go (especially if it was because someone
made REAL threats against him!); although I would NEVER miss "Cybil"
(aka: "Jim"/"Gail"/"Sara").

>::} Later Pimbecile........take KKKemmerer with ya.
>
> Remarks like these are stupid and you should just consider the
> source.

Agreed!

--John Johnson

"Handgun Control Inc., the lobbying group that helped push through
the federal ban on semi-automatic weapons and the Brady law on gun
purchases, is said to be worried that it is losing the public
relations war to the National Rifle Association. . . . It is also
considering a name change because, among other reasons, polls and
focus groups show that many Americans are uncomfortable with the
word *control*." US News and World Report, August 19, 1996

ATTENTION citizens near the east coast! That rumbling sound you
hear is NOT an earthquake! It's just the sounds of Washington,
Hamilton, Jefferson, Allen, Witherspoon, et al; spinning in their
graves!
--

From the main computer of:
John Johnson
TXJo...@ix.netcom.com

The opinions expressed above represent those of the writer (me)
and not necessarily those of his employer (also me).

Keith Marchington

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Oct 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/18/96
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Pim Van Meurs wrote:
>
> After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my participation
> on TPG and will close down my website.
> It was an attempt to involve others in the pros and cons of an
> hot criminological issue, a discussion for which I had
> opened up my website to all who had something to say on the issue.
> But the recent personal attacks have made me conclude that my
> contribution(s) were not appreciated.
> I would like to thank all those with whom I have had interesting
> and challenging discussion.
>
> Regards
>
> Pim

While we stand on different sides of the debate, I find it
sad that people resort to the kind of personal attacks that
have recently been levied against you. Personally I'd
counsel to ignore them.

--
Keith

# The opinions expressed herein are those of the author and do not
# represent the views of the Hewlett-Packard Co.

H. McDaniel

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Oct 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/18/96
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txjo...@ix.netcom.com(John Johnson) writes:
.

> In <548en5$d...@news.ingr.com> sw...@hiwaay.net (Glen Swaim) writes:
>>
>> In article <548e5q$6...@news.internetmci.com>, Big...@farout.net
>> (Dude) wrote:
>>::} ent...@eskimo.com (Pim Van Meurs) wrote:
>>::}
>>::}> After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my
>>::}> participation on TPG and will close down my website.
>>::}> It was an attempt to involve others in the pros and cons of an
>>::}> hot criminological issue, a discussion for which I had
>>::}> opened up my website to all who had something to say on the
>>::}> issue.
>>::}> But the recent personal attacks have made me conclude that my
>>::}> contribution(s) were not appreciated.
>>::}> I would like to thank all those with whom I have had interesting
>>::}> and challenging discussion.
>>
>> Let them drive you away and they have won. The personal attacks are
>> crap. People on the net can make these personal attacks because they
>> are dealing with a faceless post. Never would they do it in person.

> Not necessarily true; and I believe it was the possibility of
> face-to-face personal attacks which drove Pim away. |:-|

>> Sorry to see you leave and I don't even know which side of the gun
>> control issue you are on. Hopefully the pro-gun side.

> I do not care which side Pim was/is on (and everyone who reads
> this News Group with any regularity knows he and I didn't exactly
> "see eye-to-eye"), but his leaving does nothing but stifle the
> on-going exchange of ideas regarding firearms rights and personal
> freedoms.
> I, too, hate to see him go (especially if it was because someone
> made REAL threats against him!); although I would NEVER miss "Cybil"
> (aka: "Jim"/"Gail"/"Sara").

Pim, a foreigner in our midst was using tax payer funded equipment
he was not authorized to (at the time) to influence U.S. politics.
NOAA agrees that this is misuse. Regardless of Pim's "voluntary"
departure, the matter is being pursued.

Many questions remain. Many people have expressed interest. To
me it is not so much to blame an individual -- as to look at a
situation which should not exist and may be the tip of the iceberg.
How many other Pim's are out there?

-McDaniel

Rockerboy

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Oct 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/19/96
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Glen Swaim wrote:
>
> In article <548e5q$6...@news.internetmci.com>, Big...@farout.net (Dude) wrote:
> ::}ent...@eskimo.com (Pim Van Meurs) wrote:
> ::}
> ::}>After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my participation
> ::}>on TPG and will close down my website.
> ::}>It was an attempt to involve others in the pros and cons of an
> ::}>hot criminological issue, a discussion for which I had
> ::}>opened up my website to all who had something to say on the issue.
> ::}>But the recent personal attacks have made me conclude that my
> ::}>contribution(s) were not appreciated.
> ::}>I would like to thank all those with whom I have had interesting
> ::}>and challenging discussion.
> Let them drive you away and they have won. The personal attacks are crap.
> People on the net can make these personal attacks because they are
> dealing with a faceless post. Never would they do it in person. Sorry to see

> you leave and I don't even know which side of the gun control issue you are
> on. Hopefully the pro-gun side.

Pim is firmly anti-gun. That doesn't change the fact that it was
abhorrent for people who supposedly support liberty to attack his very
right to speak.

There is no honor in driving Pim away with threats, no victory in
silencing him, and no respect for liberty in the hearts of those who
would have him silenced because they disagree with his position.


> ::}


> ::}Later Pimbecile........take KKKemmerer with ya.
> Remarks like these are stupid and you should just consider the source.

As demonstrated, our side of the issue has its fair share of bigots and
villains.

--

Sometimes what you say is going to get right in the faces of the
powerful people who really run this world, but you don't care....
It's your place to challenge authority.

Rockerboy (roc...@best.com)

Michael McClary

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Oct 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/19/96
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In article <548en5$d...@news.ingr.com>, Glen Swaim <sw...@hiwaay.net> wrote:
>In article <548e5q$6...@news.internetmci.com>, Big...@farout.net (Dude) wrote:
>::}ent...@eskimo.com (Pim Van Meurs) wrote:
>::}
[content deleted]

>Let them drive you away and they have won. The personal attacks are crap.
>People on the net can make these personal attacks because they are
>dealing with a faceless post. Never would they do it in person. Sorry to see
>you leave and I don't even know which side of the gun control issue you are
>on. Hopefully the pro-gun side.

As someone who has sysopped and mailing-list-administered for a total of
more than a decade, let me assure you: Pim's posting is a classic.

It is what we call a "swan song" - where a person, typically one whose
voluminous and abusive postings and misbehavior have been a thorn in
the side of all concerned, for months or years, stages a showy farewell,
and uses the occasion to take one more swipe at those he/she dislikes.

Unfortunately, many people (who have not seen it a dozen times before)
fall for it, blaming the "dear departed"'s victims and continuing the
abuse as his/her proxies. Meanwhile, the perpetrator is right back much
more often than not (though sometimes in a new persona), and often has
the persona already on-line, to join the chorous. (If an abusive poster
really IS leaving, of course, it's an opportunity too good to miss.)

So before you let your heartstrings be plucked and your tears jerked,
think back over the allegedly-departing-alleged-martyr's posting history,
and consider whether your sympathy is really rated. If you decide it is,
THEN is the time to shed your tear and perhaps post your eulogy.

--

Harry Browne for President

It's time to roll a loose cannon down the decks of the ship of state.

Michael McClary mcc...@netcom.com
For faster response, address electronic mail to: mic...@node.com

Rockerboy

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Oct 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/19/96
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H. McDaniel wrote:
>
> Pim, a foreigner in our midst was using tax payer funded equipment
> he was not authorized to (at the time) to influence U.S. politics.
> NOAA agrees that this is misuse. Regardless of Pim's "voluntary"
> departure, the matter is being pursued.

If you can demonstrate that Pim was misusing tax money, then you have a
point. But if not, then you should apologize for accusing Pim of being
a criminal.

John A Schlereth Jr.

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Oct 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/19/96
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Michael McClary (mcc...@netcom.com) wrote:


: Unfortunately, many people (who have not seen it a dozen times before)


: fall for it, blaming the "dear departed"'s victims and continuing the
: abuse as his/her proxies. Meanwhile, the perpetrator is right back much
: more often than not (though sometimes in a new persona), and often has
: the persona already on-line, to join the chorous. (If an abusive poster
: really IS leaving, of course, it's an opportunity too good to miss.)

You're right.

Virtually all abusive posters are gun-lovers so getting rid of them
raises the intellectual level of the discussion. Unfortunately, losing
Pim will have the opposite effect. Gunnuts will spew their nonsense and
one fewer rational persons will be available to debunk it. Those of us
who remain will have to work harder to enlighten the dim world of the gun
cult.

Don't be confused,

John A. Schlereth Jr.

Detain Disarm Destroy

Dick Lander

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Oct 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/19/96
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In article <54c3r3$2...@crl4.crl.com>, guar...@crl.com (John A Schlereth
Jr.) wrote:

> Virtually all abusive posters are gun-lovers so getting rid of them
> raises the intellectual level of the discussion. Unfortunately, losing
> Pim will have the opposite effect. Gunnuts will spew their nonsense and
> one fewer rational persons will be available to debunk it. Those of us
> who remain will have to work harder to enlighten the dim world of the gun
> cult.
>
> Don't be confused,
>
> John A. Schlereth Jr.
>
> Detain Disarm Destroy

You are, as usual, confused. Please name for us one pro-gun person who is
as abusive as Jim Kennemur. Please specify one derisive nickname for
gun-control advocates that is used as commonly as "gunloon" or "gunnuts"
(you spell it as one word, huh?)

Yes, you're just a paragon of virtue, John A.; so magnanimous of you to
take time out of your busy schedule to "enlighten the dim world of the gun
cult." Your self-centered, condescending, statist, elitist, technically
ignorant postings are of value only to those who share your political
agenda.

Losing Pim is unfortunate; I disagreed with him often, but he usually
discussed the issues in a straightforward, cordial way.
--
Richard W. (Dick) Lander; sportsman,
Macintosh devotee, proponent of personal liberty.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
When someone can tell me, and millions of law-abiding gunowners like me,
how taking my guns away will have a beneficial effect on the crime rate, you
may have them--at current fair-market value, in gold.


Jerome Bigge

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Oct 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/20/96
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On Fri, 18 Oct 1996 11:52:49 -0700, Keith Marchington <k...@cv.hp.com>
wrote:

>Pim Van Meurs wrote:
>>
>> After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my participation
>> on TPG and will close down my website.
>> It was an attempt to involve others in the pros and cons of an
>> hot criminological issue, a discussion for which I had
>> opened up my website to all who had something to say on the issue.
>> But the recent personal attacks have made me conclude that my
>> contribution(s) were not appreciated.
>> I would like to thank all those with whom I have had interesting
>> and challenging discussion.
>>

>> Regards
>>
>> Pim
>
> While we stand on different sides of the debate, I find it
> sad that people resort to the kind of personal attacks that
> have recently been levied against you. Personally I'd
> counsel to ignore them.
>
>--
>Keith
>
># The opinions expressed herein are those of the author and do not
># represent the views of the Hewlett-Packard Co.

I too am sorry to see you leave.

Jerome Bigge (jbi...@novagate.com) NRA Life Member

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Jim Zoes

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Oct 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/20/96
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In article <DzGC...@eskimo.com>, ent...@eskimo.com says...

>
>After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my participation
>on TPG and will close down my website.
>It was an attempt to involve others in the pros and cons of an
>hot criminological issue, a discussion for which I had
>opened up my website to all who had something to say on the issue.
>But the recent personal attacks have made me conclude that my
>contribution(s) were not appreciated.
>I would like to thank all those with whom I have had interesting
>and challenging discussion.
>
>Regards
>
>Pim
>--
>--
> http://www.eskimo.com/~entheta Check it out !!!

Farewell.

Jim Zoes

The gem cannot be polished without friction, nor man perfected without trials.
--Chinese Proverb


Nosy

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Oct 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/20/96
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<In article <54c3r3$2...@crl4.crl.com> guar...@crl.com (John A Schlereth Jr.) writes:
< Michael McClary (mcc...@netcom.com) wrote:


< : Unfortunately, many people (who have not seen it a dozen times before)
< : fall for it, blaming the "dear departed"'s victims and continuing the
< : abuse as his/her proxies. Meanwhile, the perpetrator is right back much
< : more often than not (though sometimes in a new persona), and often has
< : the persona already on-line, to join the chorous. (If an abusive poster
< : really IS leaving, of course, it's an opportunity too good to miss.)

< You're right.

< Virtually all abusive posters are gun-lovers so getting rid of them

< raises the intellectual level of the discussion.

This claim is, as is usually the case with claims by the
Schlereths, wrong.

Many of the allies of the Schlereth are extremely abusive:
Kennemur, Kilpatrick, JITE come to mind immediately.


< Unfortunately, losing
< Pim will have the opposite effect. Gunnuts will spew their nonsense and
< one fewer rational persons will be available to debunk it.

ROFL!

The operators of the "Pim" account are not known for rationality,
but for repetition of the same debunked material time after
time after time.

Michael Zarlenga

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Oct 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/21/96
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Pim Van Meurs (ent...@eskimo.com) wrote:
: After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my participation

: on TPG and will close down my website.

Bye. Watch that door.

--
-- Mike Zarlenga
finger zarl...@conan.ids.net for PGP public key
Harry Browne (Libertarian) for President in 1996


Sam A. Kersh

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Oct 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/21/96
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guar...@crl.com (John A Schlereth Jr.) wrote:

>Michael McClary (mcc...@netcom.com) wrote:
>
>
>: Unfortunately, many people (who have not seen it a dozen times before)
>: fall for it, blaming the "dear departed"'s victims and continuing the
>: abuse as his/her proxies. Meanwhile, the perpetrator is right back much
>: more often than not (though sometimes in a new persona), and often has
>: the persona already on-line, to join the chorous. (If an abusive poster
>: really IS leaving, of course, it's an opportunity too good to miss.)
>
>You're right.
>
>Virtually all abusive posters are gun-lovers so getting rid of them

>raises the intellectual level of the discussion. Unfortunately, losing

>Pim will have the opposite effect. Gunnuts will spew their nonsense and

>one fewer rational persons will be available to debunk it. Those of us
>who remain will have to work harder to enlighten the dim world of the gun
>cult.
>

John:

You are one of the chief users of ad homines and insults, even in this
post. Pim was many things, but always civil even when he was being
deliberately disingenuous in his anti-gun posts. Not once did he stoop
to using the terms like "gunnut" or phrases similar to "dim world of the
gun cult."


Sam A. Kersh
sa...@i-link.net
NRA Life Member
TSRA
===============================================================
If you're too busy to hunt, you're too busy.

Note: in off-seasons, substitute "fishing" for "hunting"

Francis A. Ney, Jr.

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Oct 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/21/96
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> After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my participation
> on TPG and will close down my website.

> It was an attempt to involve others in the pros and cons of an
> hot criminological issue, a discussion for which I had
> opened up my website to all who had something to say on the issue.
> But the recent personal attacks have made me conclude that my
> contribution(s) were not appreciated.
> I would like to thank all those with whom I have had interesting
> and challenging discussion.

First, let's see if the bozo really runs away.

However, if he does, it's probably due to the realization that he's putting
his resident alien status, as well as his citizenship, at risk. Too late,
though, the judge is still going to get your DejaNews packet.

AMF-YOYO.

---
Frank Ney WV/EMT-B VA/EMT-A N4ZHG LPWV NRA(L) GOA CCRKBA JPFO
Sponsor, BATF Abuse page http://www.access.digex.net/~croaker/batfabus.html
West Virginia Coordinator, Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus
NOTICE: Flaming email received will be posted to the appropriate newsgroups
- --
"Politically speaking, we're compelled by circumstances to resign ourselves
to the unpleasant fact that 1996 isn't going to be a very good year for the
cause of individual liberty. Not with the Democratic Fascist Party being led
by a terrorist mass-murderer and his crooked wife, Lady Macbeth, the
Socialist Republican Party opting to run a retarded zombie for President, and
the Drool-chinned Stumblebum Party (oops, make that 'we' Libertarians) giving
a spastic nod and a belch to an electoral cross between Werner 'EST' Erhard
and Immanuel Velikovsky." - L. Neil Smith


Steve D. Fischer

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Oct 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/21/96
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In article <5492qb$e...@nntp1.u.washington.edu>,

H. McDaniel <ha...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>txjo...@ix.netcom.com(John Johnson) writes:
>.
>> In <548en5$d...@news.ingr.com> sw...@hiwaay.net (Glen Swaim) writes:
>>>
>>> In article <548e5q$6...@news.internetmci.com>, Big...@farout.net
>>> (Dude) wrote:
>>>::} ent...@eskimo.com (Pim Van Meurs) wrote:
>>>::}
>>>::}> After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my

>>>::}> participation on TPG and will close down my website.
>>>::}> It was an attempt to involve others in the pros and cons of an
>>>::}> hot criminological issue, a discussion for which I had
>>>::}> opened up my website to all who had something to say on the
>>>::}> issue.
>>>::}> But the recent personal attacks have made me conclude that my
>>>::}> contribution(s) were not appreciated.
>>>::}> I would like to thank all those with whom I have had interesting
>>>::}> and challenging discussion.
>>>
>>> Let them drive you away and they have won. The personal attacks are
>>> crap. People on the net can make these personal attacks because they
>>> are dealing with a faceless post. Never would they do it in person.
>
>> Not necessarily true; and I believe it was the possibility of
>> face-to-face personal attacks which drove Pim away. |:-|
>
>>> Sorry to see you leave and I don't even know which side of the gun
>>> control issue you are on. Hopefully the pro-gun side.
>
>> I do not care which side Pim was/is on (and everyone who reads
>> this News Group with any regularity knows he and I didn't exactly
>> "see eye-to-eye"), but his leaving does nothing but stifle the
>> on-going exchange of ideas regarding firearms rights and personal
>> freedoms.
>> I, too, hate to see him go (especially if it was because someone
>> made REAL threats against him!); although I would NEVER miss "Cybil"
>> (aka: "Jim"/"Gail"/"Sara").
>
>Pim, a foreigner in our midst was using tax payer funded equipment
>he was not authorized to (at the time) to influence U.S. politics.
>NOAA agrees that this is misuse. Regardless of Pim's "voluntary"
>departure, the matter is being pursued.
>
>Many questions remain. Many people have expressed interest. To
>me it is not so much to blame an individual -- as to look at a
>situation which should not exist and may be the tip of the iceberg.
>How many other Pim's are out there?
>
>-McDaniel
>

Your comments cause me to wonder just how strong your commitment
to free speech within the U.S. borders really is?

ygrenyS

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Oct 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/21/96
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In article <DzGC...@eskimo.com>, Pim Van Meurs <ent...@eskimo.com> wrote:

>After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my participation
>on TPG and will close down my website.

Translation: Pim is afraid that all the calls to the INS about his
marriage of convenience might cause him to be deported like he should
be.

>It was an attempt to involve others in the pros and cons of an
>hot criminological issue, a discussion for which I had
>opened up my website to all who had something to say on the issue.

Translation: Nobody believed Pim's lies for a moment and Pim finally
caught on to the fact that he is one of the laughingstocks of Internet.

>But the recent personal attacks have made me conclude that my
>contribution(s) were not appreciated.

Translation: Pim can't stand having his lies and ignorance pointed
out.

>I would like to thank all those with whom I have had interesting
>and challenging discussion.

Translation: "Duck and cover! Run away!"

>Regards
>
>Pim

Good riddance, Pimbecile. The net will be a much better place without
you.

Didn't you just say that you were checking out? Or was that yet another of
your lies, Pimbecile?

--
<sig>
Annoy a Fascist: Just say NO! to gun control.

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look
upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
-- Mahatma Gandhi

"Government doesn't work."
-- Harry Browne, Libertarian Presidential Candidate
</sig>

John A Schlereth Jr.

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Oct 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/21/96
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Sam A. Kersh (sa...@i-link.net) wrote:

: guar...@crl.com (John A Schlereth Jr.) wrote:

: >Michael McClary (mcc...@netcom.com) wrote:
: >
: >
: >: Unfortunately, many people (who have not seen it a dozen times before)
: >: fall for it, blaming the "dear departed"'s victims and continuing the
: >: abuse as his/her proxies. Meanwhile, the perpetrator is right back much
: >: more often than not (though sometimes in a new persona), and often has
: >: the persona already on-line, to join the chorous. (If an abusive poster
: >: really IS leaving, of course, it's an opportunity too good to miss.)
: >
: >You're right.
: >
: >Virtually all abusive posters are gun-lovers so getting rid of them
: >raises the intellectual level of the discussion. Unfortunately, losing
: >Pim will have the opposite effect. Gunnuts will spew their nonsense and
: >one fewer rational persons will be available to debunk it. Those of us
: >who remain will have to work harder to enlighten the dim world of the gun
: >cult.
: >

: John:

: You are one of the chief users of ad homines and insults, even in this
: post. Pim was many things, but always civil even when he was being
: deliberately disingenuous in his anti-gun posts. Not once did he stoop
: to using the terms like "gunnut" or phrases similar to "dim world of the
: gun cult."


You have a conveniently selective memory. I always respond in kind; in a
manner consistent with the poster's. If that seems abusive it's because
you don't want to see both sides of the exchange. And if you were to look
closer you would see I have never threatened anyone even though I am
regularly threatened.

David D Wigand

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: Pim Van Meurs wrote:
: >
: > After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my participation
: > on TPG and will close down my website.
:
Good riddance to bad rubbish. When are you leaving the US? Hopefully
soon. :)

Dave Wigand
(ANYBODY who tries to have me disarmed is an ENEMY)

ygrenyS

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Oct 22, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/22/96
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In article <54ivfa$g...@newslink.runet.edu>,

David D Wigand <dwi...@runet.edu> wrote:
>: Pim Van Meurs wrote:
>: >
>: > After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my participation
>: > on TPG and will close down my website.
>:
>Good riddance to bad rubbish. When are you leaving the US? Hopefully
>soon. :)

One really has to wonder why Pim fled so abruptly.

Is Pim's wife threatening to leave him because she is tired of being
a victim of his deceit? Is the INS after him? Did he get caught
misusing government computer facilities or surfing UseNet when he
was supposed to be working? Did one of the scholars Pim routinely
quoted out of context threaten to sue him?

The possible explanations for Pim's hasty departure boggle the mind.
But wouldn't it be funny if Pim's wife wanted a gun for self-defense?
With Pim around, I certainly wouldn't blame her. He even admits
that he is "Enturbulated", which implies that he is agitated or
disturbed. Pim is certainly not the only looney gun-grabber on
the 'Net, but he has always been one of the most fanatically obsessed.

>Dave Wigand
>(ANYBODY who tries to have me disarmed is an ENEMY)

Why would any government want to disarm ordinary citizens if it
didn't intend to harm them?

Georgie Stanford

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Oct 22, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/22/96
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Pim Van Meurs (ent...@eskimo.com) wrote:
: After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my participation
: on TPG and will close down my website.
: It was an attempt to involve others in the pros and cons of an
: hot criminological issue, a discussion for which I had
: opened up my website to all who had something to say on the issue.
: But the recent personal attacks have made me conclude that my
: contribution(s) were not appreciated.
: I would like to thank all those with whom I have had interesting
: and challenging discussion.
:
: Regards
:
: Pim
: --
: --
: http://www.eskimo.com/~entheta Check it out !!!

Pim, you will be sorely missed. I disagreed with your observations,
premises, the significance of the studies you presented, and your
conclusions but I don't think that people learn by always talking to
people they agree with.

I would hope that those readers who really believe in second amendment
civil rights would also consider the first, fourth and tenth amendment
rights of all of us. There is no reason except for personal moral
weakness to abuse and threaten those who disagree with your ideas. To do
so reduces you to the moral level of Clinton and his monsters who murdered
the children of Waco or the other monsters who murdered the children of
Oklahoma City.


Georgie


Christopher Morton

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Oct 23, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/23/96
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On Fri, 18 Oct 1996 03:35:09 GMT, ent...@eskimo.com (Pim Van Meurs)
wrote:

>After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my participation
>on TPG and will close down my website.
>It was an attempt to involve others in the pros and cons of an
>hot criminological issue, a discussion for which I had
>opened up my website to all who had something to say on the issue.
>But the recent personal attacks have made me conclude that my
>contribution(s) were not appreciated.
>I would like to thank all those with whom I have had interesting
>and challenging discussion.

You imbecile.

People have been attacking your fascistic drivel for YEARS.

***
Today on Oprah: Shawn Smith, a Black woman trapped in
a White supremacist's body.

John A Schlereth Jr.

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Oct 23, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/23/96
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Sam A. Kersh (sa...@i-link.net) wrote:
: guar...@crl.com (John A Schlereth Jr.) wrote:

: >Michael McClary (mcc...@netcom.com) wrote:
: >
: >
: >: Unfortunately, many people (who have not seen it a dozen times before)
: >: fall for it, blaming the "dear departed"'s victims and continuing the
: >: abuse as his/her proxies. Meanwhile, the perpetrator is right back much
: >: more often than not (though sometimes in a new persona), and often has
: >: the persona already on-line, to join the chorous. (If an abusive poster
: >: really IS leaving, of course, it's an opportunity too good to miss.)
: >
: >You're right.
: >
: >Virtually all abusive posters are gun-lovers so getting rid of them
: >raises the intellectual level of the discussion. Unfortunately, losing
: >Pim will have the opposite effect. Gunnuts will spew their nonsense and
: >one fewer rational persons will be available to debunk it. Those of us
: >who remain will have to work harder to enlighten the dim world of the gun
: >cult.
: >

: John:

: You are one of the chief users of ad homines and insults, even in this
: post. Pim was many things, but always civil even when he was being
: deliberately disingenuous in his anti-gun posts. Not once did he stoop
: to using the terms like "gunnut" or phrases similar to "dim world of the
: gun cult."


At first I thought you were wrong but now I have to agree with you. I
can be abusive.

Oh, well. Gunnuts deserve abuse.

ma...@netmanage.com

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Oct 23, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/23/96
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No, John, no one deserves abuse. It's not civilized or correct behaviour.
The fact that you think anyone "diserves abuse" says volumes about your
mental state, and is a clear red flag that your mental history should be
examined very carefully to determine your fitness to be allowed to roam
free in society.Likewise, that attitude is a clear indication why you should
probably not be allowed to buy a firearm. You apparently aren't stable enough
to own one.

-Matt


Steve D. Fischer

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Oct 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/24/96
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In article <54m2hv$d...@crl10.crl.com>,

You get what you give. That includes respect.


James F Cornwall

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Oct 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/24/96
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Pim Van Meurs (ent...@eskimo.com) wrote:
: After discussion with my wife I have decided to end my participation
: on TPG and will close down my website.

My killfile and I thank you. It's been tough keeping up with all your
identities and threads with your massive amounts of reposted "wisdom".

Goodbye and hopefully good riddance.

: It was an attempt to involve others in the pros and cons of an

: hot criminological issue, a discussion for which I had
: opened up my website to all who had something to say on the issue.
: But the recent personal attacks have made me conclude that my
: contribution(s) were not appreciated.

That has been true for at least three years since I first saw you on
this group.

: I would like to thank all those with whom I have had interesting
: and challenging discussion.

: Regards

mkaye

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Oct 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/25/96
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On 23 Oct 1996, John A Schlereth Jr. wrote:

> Sam A. Kersh (sa...@i-link.net) wrote:
> : guar...@crl.com (John A Schlereth Jr.) wrote:
>
> : >Michael McClary (mcc...@netcom.com) wrote:
> : >
> : >
> : >: Unfortunately, many people (who have not seen it a dozen times before)
> : >: fall for it, blaming the "dear departed"'s victims and continuing the
> : >: abuse as his/her proxies. Meanwhile, the perpetrator is right back much
> : >: more often than not (though sometimes in a new persona), and often has
> : >: the persona already on-line, to join the chorous. (If an abusive poster
> : >: really IS leaving, of course, it's an opportunity too good to

> miss.) >>MM

> : >
> : >You're right.
> : >
> : >Virtually all abusive posters are gun-lovers so getting rid of them
> : >raises the intellectual level of the discussion. Unfortunately, losing
> : >Pim will have the opposite effect. Gunnuts will spew their nonsense and
> : >one fewer rational persons will be available to debunk it. Those of us
> : >who remain will have to work harder to enlighten the dim world of the gun

> : >cult. >>JS


> : >
>
> : John:
>
> : You are one of the chief users of ad homines and insults, even in this
> : post. Pim was many things, but always civil even when he was being
> : deliberately disingenuous in his anti-gun posts. Not once did he stoop
> : to using the terms like "gunnut" or phrases similar to "dim world of the

> : gun cult." >>SK



>
> At first I thought you were wrong but now I have to agree with you. I
> can be abusive.
>

> Oh, well. Gunnuts deserve abuse. >>JS

************************************************

John seems to believe that lots of people "deserve" abuse...

-----------------[previously posted material]-----------------

On 5 Sep 1995, John Schlereth Jr. wrote:

> Rick Cook (rc...@BIX.com) wrote:
> : Chris Morton wrote:
> : >guar...@Walden.MO.NET (John Schlereth Jr.) writes:
> : >
> : >> Name a program of murder conducted by the United States as
> a matter of public policy.
> : >
> : >The Indian Wars.
> : >
> : >> Don't be confused,
> : >
> : >Certainly not about Sand Creek and Wounded Knee... Chivington.
>
> : And before John can come back with his sophistry about
'declaration of war
> : on a foreign nation,' let me point out that in the case of Wounded Knee at
> : least the Indians in question were neither a foreign nation nor were we at
> : war with them.
>
> : Under the terms of the treaty the United States signed with the Souix, the
> : Souix were recognized as wards of the government. When the US broke the
> : terms of the treaty, some of the Souix left the reservation. There was no
> : declaration of war against them and the US Army proceeded under its
> : territorial peace-keeping authority, not as a military operation against a
> : hostile power.

> You are confused.
>
> When they left the reservation they became fugitives, subject to whatever
> methods were necessary to return them to the reservation.


>
> Don't be confused,
>
> John A. Schlereth Jr.

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