Gun Nut Idiots and their cites
Ivor P. Standing
contrary to my experience or common sense. To back up their claims
they quote a link to some 'news' site that is just one step up from a
free Supermarket 'newspaper'. Turdpilot even went so far as to quote a
20 year old article from the thinsheet USA Today. God knows what
search engine he uses.
However, when Johnny Bravo posted that that the UK was crime ridden as
proven by 14 Brit cops being killed in 2002 and he cited the BBC, I
decided to check it out. What I found was that the 14 cops died in
accidents.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,875317,00.html
'Statistics show that road accidents are the greatest threat to
officers on the job. The national police officers roll of honour
recorded 14 deaths in the line of duty last year - 13 officers died in
traffic accidents and one died of natural causes'
Johnny certainly landed a knock out blow... NOT, with his crushing
revelation of how many Brit cops get killed in the line of duty. LOL.
Next he tried to do the Two Feet Shuffle and argue that he was in fact
commenting on those who were "killed on duty" not "died on duty".
These cops were killed in situations which had no relevance to the
fact that they were cops.
> >Johnny Bravo <nos...@no.com> wrote in message news:<n7tb90l02t1dnv3bj...@4ax.com>...
> >>
> >> 14 officers were killed just in 2002
> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2660885.stm
> >>
> >> You don't know jack shit about your own crime, stop pulling numbers
> >> out of your ass and trying to pass them off as "fact". This isn't the
> >> first time you've shown how little you actually know about UK crime
> >> statistics.
> >
> I've got a cite saying 14 in 2002 were "killed on duty" not "died on
> duty". If you've got some evidence that the BBC is lying, other than
> your own disbelief, present it. It wouldn't be the first time actual
> statistics have kicked your ass.
Christopher Morton
Standing) wrote:
>I often read postings here by Gun Nuts who make a claim that is
>contrary to my experience or common sense. To back up their claims
You have neither, you urolagniac dumbass.
--
"Holocaust was greatly exaggerated and you know it. Another monster lie
from the gover-media." - Judy Diarya, AKA "Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend"
Pat H.
> I often read postings here by Gun Nuts who make a claim that is
> contrary to my experience or common sense.
The only "gun nuts" on this newsgroup are those that advocate gun
confiscation.
All that support the right to self defense are quite sane, and
absolutely hold the moral and ethical high ground over gun nuts like
you, IPS.
Pat Hines
William Hughes
wrote:
> IP_St...@hotmail.com (Ivor P. Standing) wrote in message news:<cd1e8a5b.04050...@posting.google.com>...
> > I often read postings here by Gun Nuts who make a claim that is
> > contrary to my experience or common sense.
>
> The only "gun nuts" on this newsgroup are those that advocate gun
> confiscation.
>
> All that support the right to self defense are quite sane, and
Some of us even have documentation to that effect
Back in the 70s, I was in the Personnel Reliability Program, authorised to be
one of the two people required by regulations to sign for all
chemical/biological/radiological equipment - including weapons. Part of the
procedure for being in the program included a psychological evaluation.
LHB
"Ivor P. Standing" <IP_St...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cd1e8a5b.04050...@posting.google.com...
> I often read postings here by Gun Nuts who make a claim that is
> contrary to my experience or common sense. To back up their claims
> they quote a link to some 'news' site that is just one step up from a
> free Supermarket 'newspaper'.
Hey Ivor. Read my post under "Defense of Guns" below. If you need a web site
to verify it, I'll happily oblige. Your "experience or common sense" doesn't
align with the facts.
LHB
z
Well, nobody would predict that you could see the situation objectively.
z
If that was, by any chance, in Iraq, I know some people who would like
to speak with you. Just kidding! Not meaning anything bad!
Glenn
Standing) wrote:
>I often read postings here by Gun Nuts who make a claim that is
>contrary to my experience or common sense. To back up their claims
>they quote a link to some 'news' site that is just one step up from a
>free Supermarket 'newspaper'. Turdpilot even went so far as to quote a
>20 year old article from the thinsheet USA Today. God knows what
>search engine he uses.
>
>However, when Johnny Bravo posted that that the UK was crime ridden
It is
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/3/21/205139.shtml
During the 19th century, and most of the 20th, Britain enjoyed a
well-deserved reputation as an unusually safe and crime-free nation,
compared to the United States or continental Europe. No longer.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21902
Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the
United States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new
international study says that America's former master -- Great Britain
-- has much higher levels of crime.
The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University
in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in
violent crime among industrialized nations.
England has worst crime rate in world
By David Bamber, Home Affairs Correspondent
(Filed: 01/12/2002)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/12/01/ncrime01.xml
England and Wales have the highest crime rate among the world's
leading economies, according to a new report by the United Nations.
Jaberwokie
attacks by the liberal swine!
Pat "Bearkiller" Hines
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.
Ivor P. Standing
> On 6 May 2004 02:44:59 -0700, IP_St...@hotmail.com (Ivor P.
> Standing) wrote:
>
> >I often read postings here by Gun Nuts who make a claim that is
> >contrary to my experience or common sense. To back up their claims
>
> You have neither, you urolagniac dumbass.
Hey. You forgot to label my posting as being racist and ant-semetic.
Oh yes. It is a nice day with a blue sky. Cue usual Morton rant.
Ivor P. Standing
.... and all American soldiers hold the moral and ethical high ground
over dictators like Goddam Hussein and would never torture POWs eh
Pat?
Johnny Bravo
Standing) wrote:
>I often read postings here by Gun Nuts who make a claim that is
>contrary to my experience or common sense. To back up their claims
>they quote a link to some 'news' site that is just one step up from a
>free Supermarket 'newspaper'.
You said 10 in 10 years; you can't back up your lies that's not my
problem.
"And in the last 10 years less than 10 cop deaths have been attributed
to perps, regardless of weaponry." - Ivor P. Standing
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,875317,00.html
"However, more than 50 officers in England and Wales have been killed
by suspects since 1980. "
Doesn't really fit in with your 10 in 10 years claim, does it?
Cops killed by perps, regardless of weaponry.
2003 Gerald Walker, Stephen Oake, Ian Nigel Broadhurst
2002 Bryan Reginald Moore, Andrew Carl Munn
2001 Alison Armitage
2000 William Norman Thompson, Jon Odell
1999 Stephen Jones, Raja Basharat Ahmed, Kulwant Singh Sidhu
Didn't quite take 10 years, did it?
And instead of replying in the thread you started, you're ran off
like a girl to start yet another thread, even posting a large part of
my message from that thread here. If I'm so easily dealt with, why
are you running away and posting threads you hope I won't see rather
than defending your bullshit in the thread you started.
--
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
Johnny Bravo
Standing) wrote:
>'Statistics show that road accidents are the greatest threat to
>officers on the job. The national police officers roll of honour
>recorded 14 deaths in the line of duty last year - 13 officers died in
>traffic accidents and one died of natural causes'
That's not what you said yesterday:
"Of the 14 dead cops, one was shot, one was stabbed and one was run
over by the perp."
Can't remember your lies from one day to the next?
Christopher Morton
Standing) wrote:
>Christopher Morton <cm...@cox.net> wrote in message news:<9rck90t7cfiktqe7n...@4ax.com>...
>> On 6 May 2004 02:44:59 -0700, IP_St...@hotmail.com (Ivor P.
>> Standing) wrote:
>>
>> >I often read postings here by Gun Nuts who make a claim that is
>> >contrary to my experience or common sense. To back up their claims
>>
>> You have neither, you urolagniac dumbass.
>
>Hey. You forgot to label my posting as being racist and ant-semetic.
ARE they?
Ivor P. Standing
> On 6 May 2004 02:44:59 -0700, IP_St...@hotmail.com (Ivor P.
> Standing) wrote:
>
> >'Statistics show that road accidents are the greatest threat to
> >officers on the job. The national police officers roll of honour
> >recorded 14 deaths in the line of duty last year - 13 officers died in
> >traffic accidents and one died of natural causes'
>
> That's not what you said yesterday:
> "Of the 14 dead cops, one was shot, one was stabbed and one was run
> over by the perp."
>
> http://snipurl.com/67qy
>
> Can't remember your lies from one day to the next?
The original post that I was responding to quoted US cops killed in
2003. So I responded with a roll call of Brit cops killed in 2003. I
accepted your total of 14 because I assumed that you would be
comparing like to like. Instead you quoted a figure for a different
year to that being discussed.
Either way, you can do the Two Feet Shuffle all you want but it will
not hide the fact that you are soooo stupid that you read just a
headline and post on that basis.
Rico Yungblud
> fas...@comcast.net (Pat H.) wrote in message news:<67d4d6f6.04050...@posting.google.com>...
> > IP_St...@hotmail.com (Ivor P. Standing) wrote in message news:<cd1e8a5b.04050...@posting.google.com>...
> > > I often read postings here by Gun Nuts who make a claim that is
> > > contrary to my experience or common sense.
> >
> > The only "gun nuts" on this newsgroup are those that advocate gun
> > confiscation.
> >
> > All that support the right to self defense are quite sane, and
> > absolutely hold the moral and ethical high ground over gun nuts like
> > you, IPS.
>
> .... and all American soldiers hold the moral and ethical high ground
> over dictators like Goddam Hussein and would never torture POWs eh
> Pat?
You have not been paying attention. Pat is very much opposed to the
war and current US occupation of IRAQ.
Allan K. Lindsay-O'Neal
"z" <gzuc...@snail-mail.net> wrote in message
news:ab6ebb1e.04050...@posting.google.com...
Don't count me in your little tally. Gun confiscation is so bizarre in its'
intent and outcome as to be psychotic. Mr. Hines sees the situation
*clearly*, which leads him to assess it objectively and arrive at his
conclusions.
He says he has the right to defend himself using all available means.
Why would you claim he doesn't?
Pat "Bearkiller" Hines
The above rhetorical question has no relevance to the right of self defense.
Please follow the discussion you began.
Please attempt to show where the right of self defense is immoral.
Please attempt to show where exercising the right of self defense is unethical.
Please attempt to show where Britain has the moral high ground by denial of the
right of self defense for Britons living their.
PAt Hines
Johnny Bravo
Standing) wrote:
>Johnny Bravo <nos...@no.com> wrote in message news:<j0gm901dtob3k37sd...@4ax.com>...
>> On 6 May 2004 02:44:59 -0700, IP_St...@hotmail.com (Ivor P.
>> Standing) wrote:
>>
>> >'Statistics show that road accidents are the greatest threat to
>> >officers on the job. The national police officers roll of honour
>> >recorded 14 deaths in the line of duty last year - 13 officers died in
>> >traffic accidents and one died of natural causes'
>>
>> That's not what you said yesterday:
>> "Of the 14 dead cops, one was shot, one was stabbed and one was run
>> over by the perp."
>>
>> http://snipurl.com/67qy
>>
>> Can't remember your lies from one day to the next?
>
>The original post that I was responding to quoted US cops killed in
>2003. So I responded with a roll call of Brit cops killed in 2003.
You didn't even look at the post I cited.
"> 14 officers were killed just in 2002
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2660885.stm
>
> You don't know jack shit about your own crime, stop pulling numbers
> out of your ass and trying to pass them off as "fact". This isn't the
> first time you've shown how little you actually know about UK crime
> statistics.
Of the 14 dead cops, one was shot, one was stabbed and one was run
over by the perp."
Your 2003 claim is yet another lie, unless you don't know the 2003
figures either, 13 officers died on duty in 2003 (According to the
National Police Officers Honor Roll), one of them, Ian Nigel
Broadhurst, was shot to death and died Dec 26, 2003.
I don't see one stabbed, one run over and one shot to death; yet
another lie of your exposed. Apparently lies and bluster are all you
have.
>Either way, you can do the Two Feet Shuffle all you want but it will
>not hide the fact that you are soooo stupid that you read just a
>headline and post on that basis.
You're the one who has repeatedly shown that he knows nothing about
crime statistics for his own country, much less anywhere else.
Ivor P. Standing
> Of the 14 dead cops, one was shot, one was stabbed and one was run
> over by the perp."
>
> Your 2003 claim is yet another lie, unless you don't know the 2003
> figures either, 13 officers died on duty in 2003 (According to the
> National Police Officers Honor Roll), one of them, Ian Nigel
> Broadhurst, was shot to death and died Dec 26, 2003.
>
> I don't see one stabbed, one run over and one shot to death; yet
> another lie of your exposed. Apparently lies and bluster are all you
Are you retarded or something. There were 13 names in that one web
page. How can you read ONE WEB PAGE and missed the entries for the
murdered cops. Even for a gun nut, you are one stupid SOB.
STABBED - Detective Constable Stephen Oake - Jan 14th - While engaged
with other officers in an anti-terrorist operation at premises in
North Manchester, one of three suspects who had been detained at the
premises suddenly broke free and attacked the officers with a large
knife, injuring several of them; in assisting his colleagues Constable
Oake was stabbed in the chest and fatally wounded and died soon
afterwards.
RUN OVER - PC Gerald Walker - 7 January - after a stolen car was
abandoned in Bulwell, Nottingham, the officer, a dog handler, gave
chase on foot with his dog; he attempted to arrest the suspect as he
drove away in another car, the officer was dragged along the road by
the car and suffered serious head injuries from which he later died
SHOT - 26th Dec - Ian Nigel Broadhurst.
Ivor P. Standing
> Ivor P. Standing wrote:
>
> > fas...@comcast.net (Pat H.) wrote in message news:<67d4d6f6.04050...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> >>IP_St...@hotmail.com (Ivor P. Standing) wrote in message news:<cd1e8a5b.04050...@posting.google.com>...
> >>
> >>>I often read postings here by Gun Nuts who make a claim that is
> >>>contrary to my experience or common sense.
> >>
> >>The only "gun nuts" on this newsgroup are those that advocate gun
> >>confiscation.
> >>
> >>All that support the right to self defense are quite sane, and
> >>absolutely hold the moral and ethical high ground over gun nuts like
> >>you, IPS.
> >
> >
> > .... and all American soldiers hold the moral and ethical high ground
> > over dictators like Goddam Hussein and would never torture POWs eh
> > Pat?
>
> The above rhetorical question has no relevance to the right of self defense.
I was being facetious for God's Sake. You obviously do not see much of
that in your part of the world. You paint a picture of gun nuts being
moral and ethical. I have a hard time believing that when I read the
posts from the Usual Suspects. In much the same vein Americans go on
about the American Way, upholding the rights of the individuals blah
blah blah. The Iraq situation shows that view is just as realistic as
the one about gun owners.
Ivor P. Standing
> On 7 May 2004 00:22:21 -0700, IP_St...@hotmail.com (Ivor P.
> Standing) wrote:
>
> >Christopher Morton <cm...@cox.net> wrote in message news:<9rck90t7cfiktqe7n...@4ax.com>...
> >> On 6 May 2004 02:44:59 -0700, IP_St...@hotmail.com (Ivor P.
> >> Standing) wrote:
> >>
> >> >I often read postings here by Gun Nuts who make a claim that is
> >> >contrary to my experience or common sense. To back up their claims
> >>
> >> You have neither, you urolagniac dumbass.
> >
> >Hey. You forgot to label my posting as being racist and ant-semetic.
>
> ARE they?
Since when have you bothered to stop and ask YOURSELF that question?
You must be getting soft in your old age.
Johnny Bravo
Standing) wrote:
>Johnny Bravo <nos...@no.com> wrote in message news:<7gio90lm2954h78il...@4ax.com>...
>
>> Of the 14 dead cops, one was shot, one was stabbed and one was run
>> over by the perp."
>>
>> Your 2003 claim is yet another lie, unless you don't know the 2003
>> figures either, 13 officers died on duty in 2003 (According to the
>> National Police Officers Honor Roll), one of them, Ian Nigel
>> Broadhurst, was shot to death and died Dec 26, 2003.
>>
>> I don't see one stabbed, one run over and one shot to death; yet
>> another lie of your exposed. Apparently lies and bluster are all you
>
>Are you retarded or something. There were 13 names in that one web
>page.
You seem to have cut off your claim where you said there were 14
names, not 13.
>> That's not what you said yesterday:
>> "Of the 14 dead cops, one was shot, one was stabbed and one was run
>> over by the perp."
>>
>> http://snipurl.com/67qy
>>
>> Can't remember your lies from one day to the next?
>
>The original post that I was responding to quoted US cops killed in
>2003. So I responded with a roll call of Brit cops killed in 2003.
Either you can't count to 13 or you lied about responding with a
2003 quote. You're either a moron or a liar, which is it?
Ivor P. Standing
> On 8 May 2004 03:05:48 -0700, IP_St...@hotmail.com (Ivor P.
> Standing) wrote:
>
> >Johnny Bravo <nos...@no.com> wrote in message news:<7gio90lm2954h78il...@4ax.com>...
> >
> >> Of the 14 dead cops, one was shot, one was stabbed and one was run
> >> over by the perp."
> >>
> >> Your 2003 claim is yet another lie, unless you don't know the 2003
> >> figures either, 13 officers died on duty in 2003 (According to the
> >> National Police Officers Honor Roll), one of them, Ian Nigel
> >> Broadhurst, was shot to death and died Dec 26, 2003.
> >>
> >> I don't see one stabbed, one run over and one shot to death; yet
> >> another lie of your exposed. Apparently lies and bluster are all you
> >
> >Are you retarded or something. There were 13 names in that one web
> >page.
>
> You seem to have cut off your claim where you said there were 14
> names, not 13.
YOU ARE RETARDED. lol. The last time I saw this level of stupidity was
when Thor use to hang out here. His best moment when he went round
shouting 'fowl, fowl, fowl'. All you can do is to blow smoke. You said
14 so I assumed that there were 14 cops killed in 2003. Now you are
telling me that there were 13 and that none of them had been run over
or stabbed, contrary to the web site that YOU are citing. By the way,
you do realise that you are making the point that very few Brit cops
get killed by perps? What an idjit.
Rico Yungblud
<snip>
> Either you can't count to 13 or you lied about responding with a
> 2003 quote. You're either a moron or a liar, which is it?
The third, and apparently most likely option, is BOTH.
Johnny Bravo
Standing) wrote:
>> You seem to have cut off your claim where you said there were 14
>> names, not 13.
>
>YOU ARE RETARDED. lol.
That would be your job.
"However, when Johnny Bravo posted that that the UK was crime ridden
as proven by 14 Brit cops being killed in 2002 and he cited the BBC, I
decided to check it out. What I found was that the 14 cops died in
accidents. "
Bryan Reginald Moore and Andrew Carl Munn, if they died in an
accident why was a man sentenced to life in prison for their murder?
>You said 14 so I assumed that there were 14 cops killed in 2003.
Case closed. Or are you so stupid you can not even remember what
year is under discussion?
Ivor P. Standing
> On 8 May 2004 07:05:36 -0700, IP_St...@hotmail.com (Ivor P.
> Standing) wrote:
>
> >> You seem to have cut off your claim where you said there were 14
> >> names, not 13.
> >
> >YOU ARE RETARDED. lol.
>
> That would be your job.
My job? I never thought of pointing out the retards in TPG as a job
but more of a calling.
>
> "However, when Johnny Bravo posted that that the UK was crime ridden
> as proven by 14 Brit cops being killed in 2002 and he cited the BBC, I
> decided to check it out. What I found was that the 14 cops died in
> accidents. "
>
> Bryan Reginald Moore and Andrew Carl Munn, if they died in an
> accident why was a man sentenced to life in prison for their murder?
>
> >You said 14 so I assumed that there were 14 cops killed in 2003.
>
> Case closed. Or are you so stupid you can not even remember what
> year is under discussion?
I guess next time round, I'll assume that you are too stupid to
compare like with like and I'll check it out for myself.
Ivor P. Standing
First the Village Idiot and now the Village Virgin. Or are you going
to accuse me again of stepping over the line and how you have never
been so insulted blah blah blah?
I would not side with this idiot, Rico. The guy will simply drag you
down. The guy posted on how 14 Brit cops were murdered in a year. As
it turned out the majority were killed in accidents. The idjit saw the
headline and immediately jumped to conclusions. Then the idiot goes
into the cite and accuses me of being a liar because he could only
find details of ONE cop that had been murdered, whereas I posted that
only 3 had been murdered. Talk about being stupid enough to draw
attention to the fact that he had just posted that 14 got murdered. It
didn't help that the cite did say that 3 cops had been murdered and
that Bravo was to stupid to notice the citation. My guess is that the
fancy language, by his standards, was too much for him to understand.
Johnny Bravo
Standing) wrote:
"However, when Johnny Bravo posted that that the UK was crime ridden
as proven by 14 Brit cops being killed in 2002 and he cited the BBC,
I decided to check it out. What I found was that the 14 cops died in
accidents. " - Ivor
"You said 14 so I assumed that there were 14 cops killed in 2003." -
Ivor
>I guess next time round, I'll assume that you are too stupid to
>compare like with like and I'll check it out for myself.
You are the one that said 2002 in one post and 2003 in the next.
It's not my fault you are too stupid to remember what year you are
supposed to be talking about.
Asmodeus
> It's not my fault you are too stupid to remember what year you are
> supposed to be talking about
Course not. But let's be fair. It's not his fault either.
However, it is his fault that he doesn't know how stupid
he is--his and his parents', that is.
--
"The time has come to explain to the Arab world: If you
kill Americans, Americans will not respond by pushing
the Israelis into the sea for you--a job you tried three
times and could not do, despite your vastly superior
numbers. Rather, Americans will respond by killing Arabs.
Lots of them."
--Vin Suprynowicz