Toledo police layoffs leading to gun buying
Sarah Houston
Toledo police layoffs leading to gun buying
Posted: May 23, 2009 05:43 PM PDT
By Colleen Wells
TOLEDO, OH (WTOL) - The first round of Toledo
police layoffs, in which 75 officers were let go, may already be
having an affect on gun ownership. "I just don't feel safe with the
amount they're laying off," says Jonna Ewing. "I think it's going to
be a longer respond time." She is spending the day at a conceal carry
class. She's been thinking of getting a gun for awhile, but feels
now's the time due to the recent layoffs. She's not alone. Case in
point, someone in Jonna's class wears one those infamous police
t-shirts: "I called 911 and all I got was this lousy garbage can" that
showed up soon after the TPD cuts. Tom Urbanski runs Ski's Firearms
Training & Consulting. He also teaches the conceal carry classes. For
him, the layoffs mean big business as people are taking safety into
their own hands. "People are panicking, they're figuring the only way
they can protect themselves is for them to protect themselves," says
Urbanski. "So yeah, my business is booming." Urbanski says since the
presidential election and the collapse of the economy, people have
become more interested in owning guns. He says locally the police
layoffs and recent attacks on the elderly are only fueling the fire,
especially for senior citizens. "They don't have much support out
there. Their family is not visiting as often so they're having to be
their own protectors. I'm seeing an increase in
the elderly."
For Toledoans like Jonna, having a gun and knowing how to use it means
she'll sleep just a little better.
edi...@netpath.net
really thought that the police prevented crime from endangering them.
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
Sanders Kaufman
news:e5340609-859a-4898...@a7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> It's like the burglar-alarm business. It wouldn't sell if people
> really thought that the police prevented crime from endangering them.
That's very true.
People who stockpile weapons do so out of either fear and cowardice, or a
desire to harm others.
That's why decent people shun them.
edi...@netpath.net
> <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in message
> > It's like the burglar-alarm business. It wouldn't sell if people
> > really thought that the police prevented crime from endangering them.
>
> That's very true.
> People who stockpile weapons do so out of either fear and cowardice, or a
> desire to harm others.
> That's why decent people shun them.
Bullshit. They do so because they know - often from the local
"mainstream" media - that 911 is Dial-A-Prayer, that local police
response time is very poor, and that really the local police force
isn't much good for anything but traffic-ticket writing. They do so
because the local police no longer even send out an officer to take a
call if your car is broken into - but take your report via phone
(nearby Greensboro, North Carolina) and tell you to come downtown for
a copy for your insurance in a couple days.
Bama Brian
BZZZT! Wrong, but thanks for playing!
Let's see what we have as a consolation prize for this Bozo.
Hmmm, here are a genuine red rubber nose, white face paint, and size 22
shoes in patent red leather. Wear them in good health, Sanders.
--
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana, 1863 - 1952
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
RD (The Sandman)
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But hope that one of them is around when that "decent" person gets his
ass in a jam from a couple of gangbangers.
--
RD (The Sandman)
Thought for the day.......
Handle every stressful situation like a dog would.
If you can't eat it or hump it....Piss on it and walk away.
RichTravsky
Sanders Kaufman
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> It's like the burglar-alarm business. It wouldn't sell if people
> really thought that the police prevented crime from endangering them.
That's very true.
The people who buy guns for "protection" aren't really in any more or less
danger than the rest of us.
They're just more AFRAID than normal people.
It's that COWARDICE that really defines gun rights advocates.
Gray Ghost
@newsfe17.iad:
Do you have a fire extinguisher? Do you expect a fire? Paranoid nutter.
--
Always remember:
Bull Connor was a Democrat!
RD (The Sandman)
Seems to me that cowardice would be why you are so afraid of us. ;)
--
Sleep well, tonight........
RD (The Sandman)
" All experience is great provided you live through it.
If it kills you, you have gone too far."
Painter Alice Neel, in the New Yorker.
Sanders Kaufman
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> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>> It's that COWARDICE that really defines gun rights advocates.
>
> Seems to me that cowardice would be why you are so afraid of us. ;)
NOBODY is afraid of you.
I know that you FEEL powerful with a gun - but that's just a FEELING.
.
.
RD (The Sandman)
@newsfe17.iad:
Let me give you a lesson. It is free, you can accept it or not.
Why do I carry a gun?
I don't carry a gun to kill people.
I carry a gun to keep from being killed.
I don't carry a gun to scare people.
I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.
I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid.
I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I'm evil.
I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the
world.
I don't carry a gun because I hate the government.
I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.
I don't carry a gun because I'm angry.
I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating
myself for failing to be prepared.
I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone.
I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not
on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.
I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy.
I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a
cowboy.
I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man.
I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the
ones they love.
I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate.
I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am
inadequate.
I don't carry a gun because I love it.
I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful
to me.
Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to
take an ass kickin'.
I didn't write that but I agree with it.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in news:MY_3m.12123$_S2.4391
> Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to
> take an ass kickin'.
>
> I didn't write that but I agree with it.
I'm sure you do.
Fortunately for all of us, cowardice surpasses even hatred as the driving
force behind gun-nuttery.
Sometimes a gun-nut will say he wants his guns to kill this or that
minority.
But most of the time they say that, like you, they're gun-nuts because
they're just plain scared.
RD (The Sandman)
> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C3F68A46...@216.196.97.130...
>> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>> news:MY_3m.12123$_S2.4391
>
>> Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to
>> take an ass kickin'.
>>
>> I didn't write that but I agree with it.
>
> I'm sure you do.
> Fortunately for all of us, cowardice surpasses even hatred as the
> driving force behind gun-nuttery.
Please reread your sentence for comprehension. I don't think it says
quite what you wanted it to. ;)
> Sometimes a gun-nut will say he wants his guns to kill this or that
> minority.
Those who say that are nuts. However I found those types on both sides of
the aisle.
> But most of the time they say that, like you, they're gun-nuts because
> they're just plain scared.
Hmmmm, just where did I say that? Take all the screens you need.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>> Fortunately for all of us, cowardice surpasses even hatred as the
>> driving force behind gun-nuttery.
>
> Please reread your sentence for comprehension. I don't think it says
> quite what you wanted it to. ;)
Cowardice DOES surpass hatred as the motivation for gun-nuttery.
What - did you think you were unique?
SOME people buy guns because they plan on doing someone harm.
But most, such as yourself, do so because you're just afraid.
It would be unfortunate if the opposite were true - that gun nuts are
motivated more by hatred than fear.
Then, you might have the courage to use the damned things.
RD (The Sandman)
@newsfe17.iad:
> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C4099360...@216.196.97.130...
>> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>
>>> Fortunately for all of us, cowardice surpasses even hatred as the
>>> driving force behind gun-nuttery.
>>
>> Please reread your sentence for comprehension. I don't think it says
>> quite what you wanted it to. ;)
>
> Cowardice DOES surpass hatred as the motivation for gun-nuttery.
> What - did you think you were unique?
Wrong part of the sentence.
> SOME people buy guns because they plan on doing someone harm.
> But most, such as yourself, do so because you're just afraid.
Whatever you think.......I assume that you do
> It would be unfortunate if the opposite were true - that gun nuts are
> motivated more by hatred than fear.
> Then, you might have the courage to use the damned things.
I have had the courage when the time was there. Sorry.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in news:BeC4m.20367$_S2.5645
>> SOME people buy guns because they plan on doing someone harm.
>> But most, such as yourself, do so because you're just afraid.
>
> Whatever you think.......I assume that you do
If you want to respond, go ahead.
But that passive aggressive shit is for cowards.
That's not even a sentence.
You know about passive aggression, right?
That's where some chicken-shit wants to say something, but is afraid.
So he just says "whatever" to convince himself otherwise.
But it's still just an expression of cowardice.
That trait seems to be the one most common among you gun nuts.
Impotence seems to run a close second.
It doesn't matter if you're military, religious, criminal, cop - whatever.
You guys are all driven in your cause by your cowardice.
RD (The Sandman)
Just get a good night's sleep tonite over that response.
Gray Ghost
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
> news:FDL4m.16335$wE4....@newsfe02.iad:
>
>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9C41672B2...@216.196.97.130...
>>> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>>> news:BeC4m.20367$_S2.5645
>>
>>>> SOME people buy guns because they plan on doing someone harm.
>>>> But most, such as yourself, do so because you're just afraid.
>>>
>>> Whatever you think.......I assume that you do
>>
>> If you want to respond, go ahead.
>> But that passive aggressive shit is for cowards.
>> That's not even a sentence.
>>
>> You know about passive aggression, right?
>> That's where some chicken-shit wants to say something, but is afraid.
>> So he just says "whatever" to convince himself otherwise.
>> But it's still just an expression of cowardice.
>>
>> That trait seems to be the one most common among you gun nuts.
>> Impotence seems to run a close second.
>>
>> It doesn't matter if you're military, religious, criminal, cop -
>> whatever. You guys are all driven in your cause by your cowardice.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Just get a good night's sleep tonite over that response.
>
A sterling example of a intellectually challenged person applying his own
flaws and fears to those he dislikes.
RD (The Sandman)
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Yep. Although I generally hate long distance remote diagnoses, in this
case, you are probably correct. ;)
Sanders Kaufman
> grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote in
>> A sterling example of a intellectually challenged person applying his
>> own flaws and fears to those he dislikes.
>
> Yep. Although I generally hate long distance remote diagnoses, in this
> case, you are probably correct. ;)
Why is it that whenever you right-wingers say you hate something, it's the
first thing you embrace?
Bush says he hates torture - and then sets up a global torture network.
Palin says she hates the media - and then invites them on vacation with her.
.
Sanders Kaufman
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> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:17:16 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
>>Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to
>>take an ass kickin'.
>>
> I carry one because cops are just to heavy. Remember, when seconds
> count -- the police are but minutes away.
It's notable that all of the gun-runners' marketing slogans are designed to
appeal to your cowardice.
Sanders Kaufman
> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:39:20 -0500, "Sanders Kaufman"
>>It's notable that all of the gun-runners' marketing slogans are designed
>>to
>>appeal to your cowardice.
>>
> OK, you'll have to explain your logic on that one.
I don't know how to break it down any simpler than that but I'll try.
See - they write marketing slogans to appeal to potential customers - such
as yourself.
Meanwhile, you gun-nuts are cowards who are also quite stupid.
So when they write marketing slogans, they're very simple and designed to
appeal to your cowardice.
For example, you repeated one of the gun-rights advocates' slogans, saying
that you carry a gun because you're too young to die.
Of course, carrying a gun won't keep you alive.
Antibiotics, a portable defib, or even just the sense to avoid guns would
help you stay alive.
But you heard a marketing slogan and fell for it hook line and sinker - not
because it was rational, but rather because it appealed to your cowardice.
Now that you've been told, are you better informed - or are you just more
afraid?
Gray Ghost
Gee and all this time I thought they were marketing to brave criminals. You
need to check your fax machine for the latest talking point.
Benj
> That's very true.
> People who stockpile weapons do so out of either fear and cowardice, or a
> desire to harm others.
> That's why decent people shun them.
I know what you mean! Which is why I really can't understand people in
Toledo stockpiling arsenals of weapons! Toledo is the anti-gun capital
of Ohio. All the testimony for gun bans and other other "sensible"
laws seems to come out of that area of the state. So why in the world
are these decent caring liberals taking the insane step of stockpiling
weapons? If the police aren't there (and when are they there
instantly), everybody knows the brave and fearless liberal stands
there like a man and takes death without flinching! They welcome death
at the hands of a criminals just as the brave Virginia Tech students
did! They understand better than anyone that using weapons for "self-
defense" really only adds to violence.
Shame on these Toledo residents. They really know better than to
promote violence like this!
http://www.wtol.com/global/story.asp?s=10415019&ClientType=Printable
PS. I really like the nice virtually unreadable black on very dark red
background display too. Perfect for a Toledo pro-gun piece.
Benj
> For example, you repeated one of the gun-rights advocates' slogans, saying
> that you carry a gun because you're too young to die.
> Of course, carrying a gun won't keep you alive.
> Antibiotics, a portable defib, or even just the sense to avoid guns would
> help you stay alive.
Which is why all police, military and government agents all avoid guns
and carry antibiotics, and a portable defib. I think that more than
anything proves the sensibility of your point.
> But you heard a marketing slogan and fell for it hook line and sinker - not
> because it was rational, but rather because it appealed to your cowardice.
Exactly. Which is why all police, military and government agents carry
guns. They are all cowards and fell for that "marketing" slogan hook
line and sinker! If only they would listen to you and get rid of
their weapons right now, we'd all be so much safer!
> Now that you've been told, are you better informed - or are you just more
> afraid?
Afraid? Why should I be afraid? I've got guns and even better, I am a
certified firearms instructor. I hit the things I aim at. So what's to
fear? You? Your liberal friends? Hell, you aren't even supposed to be
armed!
Gun Control:
"One man with a gun can control 100 without one."
Vladimir Ilich Ulianov (Lenin)
RD (The Sandman)
Interesting since I am not a right winger. Don't give your day job,
Saunders, you can't hack it as long distance diagnostician.
RD (The Sandman)
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> I carry one because cops are just to heavy.
;)
> Remember, when seconds
> count -- the police are but minutes away.
In part of the area where I live, 911 response is measured in days.
RD (The Sandman)
Interesting that we believe in choice....you do not. We believe that if
you wish to carry a gun, do so. Do you believe in that?
RD (The Sandman)
> "Zombywoof" <Zomby...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4tjb55hr32skcfag2...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:39:20 -0500, "Sanders Kaufman"
>
>>>It's notable that all of the gun-runners' marketing slogans are
>>>designed to
>>>appeal to your cowardice.
>>>
>> OK, you'll have to explain your logic on that one.
>
> I don't know how to break it down any simpler than that but I'll try.
> See - they write marketing slogans to appeal to potential customers -
> such as yourself.
> Meanwhile, you gun-nuts are cowards who are also quite stupid.
> So when they write marketing slogans, they're very simple and designed
> to appeal to your cowardice.
You sound like the guy who kept insisting that inkblots showed all sorts
of nasty sex pictures. When the psychiatrist pointed that out, the gun
replied,..."Why are you blaming me, you are the one with all the dirty
pictures."
> For example, you repeated one of the gun-rights advocates' slogans,
> saying that you carry a gun because you're too young to die.
> Of course, carrying a gun won't keep you alive.
So far, it has. I have carried a gun off and on for over 50 years and I
am still here.
> Antibiotics, a portable defib, or even just the sense to avoid guns
> would help you stay alive.
The first two, yes and the last one sometimes yes, sometimes no. You
see, Saunders, when someone threatens me and others with a firearm, it
wasn't choice for that to happen. It was his.
> But you heard a marketing slogan and fell for it hook line and sinker
> - not because it was rational, but rather because it appealed to your
> cowardice.
See above.
> Now that you've been told, are you better informed - or are you just
> more afraid?
Neither.....just bored.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>> So when they write marketing slogans, they're very simple and designed
>> to appeal to your cowardice.
>
> You sound like the guy who kept insisting that inkblots showed all sorts
That's a typical response from a right-wing extremist, confronted by his own
bad character.
Unable to defend your bad character, you just throw a tantrum.
I mean it when I say, "typical".
This is a painfully common pattern among you kooks.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>> Why is it that whenever you right-wingers say you hate something, it's
>> the first thing you embrace?
>
> Interesting since I am not a right winger.
I realize that, as a sociopath, you don't like to associate yourself with
any group.
But everything you espouse is right-wing extremism - so regardless of what
you call yourself, you're still just another right-winger.
RD (The Sandman)
> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C43665AF...@216.196.97.130...
>> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>
>>> Why is it that whenever you right-wingers say you hate something,
>>> it's the first thing you embrace?
>>
>> Interesting since I am not a right winger.
>
> I realize that, as a sociopath, you don't like to associate yourself
> with any group.
> But everything you espouse is right-wing extremism
No, everything I espouse is not right wing. You shouldn't try to make a
diagnosis on one subject and that being one we disagree on. I have even
noted in here that I am pro-choice (and have been in several discussions
in here on that), anti-Bush (same). As noted, don't give up your day
job.
- so regardless of
> what you call yourself, you're still just another right-winger.
Your opinion of that is about as accurate as your other opinions in here.
Forget it.
--
Sleep well, tonight........
RD (The Sandman)
The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you
run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher - February 5, 1976
SaPeIsMa
> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:50:57 -0500, "Sanders Kaufman"
> <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>
>>"Zombywoof" <Zomby...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:4tjb55hr32skcfag2...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:39:20 -0500, "Sanders Kaufman"
>>
>>>>It's notable that all of the gun-runners' marketing slogans are designed
>>>>to
>>>>appeal to your cowardice.
>>>>
>>> OK, you'll have to explain your logic on that one.
>>
>>I don't know how to break it down any simpler than that but I'll try.
>>See - they write marketing slogans to appeal to potential customers - such
>>as yourself.
>>Meanwhile, you gun-nuts are cowards who are also quite stupid.
>>So when they write marketing slogans, they're very simple and designed to
>>appeal to your cowardice.
>>
> Rights are in my book. I don't "buy" anything off of "Marketing
> Slogans", I buy (all products) off function & price & preferably
> American made.
>>
> What is it with this cowardice shit? I served as a career member of
> the Military & deployed to two war zones. I also currently work in a
> LE function, but I am not a cop.
>>
>>For example, you repeated one of the gun-rights advocates' slogans, saying
>>that you carry a gun because you're too young to die.
>>
> to heavy.
>>
>>Of course, carrying a gun won't keep you alive.
>>
> available bets the shit out of not having it when it "might" be
> needed.
>>
>>Antibiotics, a portable defib, or even just the sense to avoid guns would
>>help you stay alive.
>>
> need for a portable defib because if I'm having a massive grabber I'll
> probably not be able to use it on myself. I carry a Cell Phone for
> that purpose.
>>
>>But you heard a marketing slogan and fell for it hook line and sinker -
>>not
>>because it was rational, but rather because it appealed to your cowardice.
>>
> Gun Company I'm aware of.
>>
>>Now that you've been told, are you better informed - or are you just more
>>afraid?
>>
> or prepared? What about a Fire extinguisher? Does having one of
> those make you a scaredty cat?
>
saunders is an idiot who does more projection and than a projector in a
cinema.
You're wasting your time expecting an intelligent response from him.
Sanders Kaufman
> " All experience is great provided you live through it.
> If it kills you, you have gone too far."
That's a great argument - against arming terrorists, dangerous felons, and
right-wing extremists.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>> It's notable that all of the gun-runners' marketing slogans are
>> designed to appeal to your cowardice.
>
> Interesting that we believe in choice....you do not. We believe that if
> you wish to carry a gun, do so. Do you believe in that?
It depends on what you mean by "we".
I realize you think that terrorists and dangerous felons should be allowed
to walk around with firearms - but fortunately, enough of us are smart
enough to know that's a bad idea that we've been able to quash that silly
idea before it gets anywhere NEAR a legislature.
.
Sanders Kaufman
>>So when they write marketing slogans, they're very simple and designed to
>>appeal to your cowardice.
>>
> Not a nut of any stripe, but those who want to impinge on others
That's what I'm talking about right there.
Nobody's trying to take your gun away.
But because of some damned marketing slogan, you believe they are.
And all they had to do was appeal to your cowardice.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>> I realize that, as a sociopath, you don't like to associate yourself
>> with any group.
>> But everything you espouse is right-wing extremism
>
> No, everything I espouse is not right wing. You shouldn't try to make a
blah, blah, blah.
RD (The Sandman)
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> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:04:40 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
> Days have minutes in them :)
Yep, but a lot of them.
--
Sleep well, tonight........
RD (The Sandman)
RD (The Sandman)
Then, perhaps, you should use it rather than some of the other inane ones
you mention.
--
Sleep well, tonight........
RD (The Sandman)
RD (The Sandman)
> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C4366ACF...@216.196.97.130...
>> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>
>>> It's notable that all of the gun-runners' marketing slogans are
>>> designed to appeal to your cowardice.
>>
>> Interesting that we believe in choice....you do not. We believe that
>> if you wish to carry a gun, do so. Do you believe in that?
>
> It depends on what you mean by "we".
> I realize you think that terrorists and dangerous felons should be
> allowed to walk around with firearms
No, I don't but then you got that idea because you DON'T think.
--
Sleep well, tonight........
RD (The Sandman)
RD (The Sandman)
@newsfe21.iad:
IOW, that is your attitude when the truth disagrees with you.
Typical....
RD (The Sandman)
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> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:50:57 -0500, "Sanders Kaufman"
> <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>
>>"Zombywoof" <Zomby...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:4tjb55hr32skcfag2...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:39:20 -0500, "Sanders Kaufman"
>>
>>>>It's notable that all of the gun-runners' marketing slogans are
>>>>designed to
>>>>appeal to your cowardice.
>>>>
>>> OK, you'll have to explain your logic on that one.
>>
>>I don't know how to break it down any simpler than that but I'll try.
>>See - they write marketing slogans to appeal to potential customers -
>>such as yourself.
>>Meanwhile, you gun-nuts are cowards who are also quite stupid.
>>So when they write marketing slogans, they're very simple and designed
>>to appeal to your cowardice.
>>
> Not a nut of any stripe, but those who want to impinge on others
> Rights are in my book. I don't "buy" anything off of "Marketing
> Slogans", I buy (all products) off function & price & preferably
> American made.
>>
> What is it with this cowardice shit? I served as a career member of
> the Military & deployed to two war zones. I also currently work in a
> LE function, but I am not a cop.
I doubt Saunders ever served. He strikes me as a chickenshit.
>>For example, you repeated one of the gun-rights advocates' slogans,
>>saying that you carry a gun because you're too young to die.
>>
> Nope, you're confused. I said I carry a gun because carrying a cop is
> to heavy.
>>
>>Of course, carrying a gun won't keep you alive.
>>
> No, carrying one won't. However, knowing how to use it & have it
> available bets the shit out of not having it when it "might" be
> needed.
>>
>>Antibiotics, a portable defib, or even just the sense to avoid guns
>>would help you stay alive.
>>
> Well I carry a full medical kit in my vehicle, but haven't seem the
> need for a portable defib because if I'm having a massive grabber I'll
> probably not be able to use it on myself. I carry a Cell Phone for
> that purpose.
>>
>>But you heard a marketing slogan and fell for it hook line and sinker
>>- not because it was rational, but rather because it appealed to your
>>cowardice.
>>
> None of the mentioned statements are used as Marketing Slogans by any
> Gun Company I'm aware of.
>>
>>Now that you've been told, are you better informed - or are you just
>>more afraid?
>>
> You mention a portable defib, is carrying one of those being "afraid"
> or prepared? What about a Fire extinguisher? Does having one of
> those make you a scaredty cat?
>
I wonder if he has either in his car....
RD (The Sandman)
news:rbGdndJyzf89GsvX...@posted.cpinternet:
When he first came on the scene in here, he acted a lot more
intelligently than he does today.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>>> Interesting that we believe in choice....you do not. We believe that
>>> if you wish to carry a gun, do so. Do you believe in that?
>>
>> It depends on what you mean by "we".
>> I realize you think that terrorists and dangerous felons should be
>> allowed to walk around with firearms
>
> No, I don't but then you got that idea because you DON'T think.
Then, who DO you mean by "we"?
Gun laws already allow almost everyone to carry a weapon almost anywhere.
The only ones who cannot are the ones who have proven that they are too
irresponsible to handle the responsibility.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>>> " All experience is great provided you live through it.
>>> If it kills you, you have gone too far."
>>
>> That's a great argument - against arming terrorists, dangerous felons,
>> and right-wing extremists.
>
> Then, perhaps, you should use it rather than some of the other inane ones
> you mention.
Slogans that appeal to cowardice don't appeal to me.
Those are for people who think of themselves as some kind of *victim*, and
that's just not me.
Sanders Kaufman
> When he first came on the scene in here, he acted a lot more
> intelligently than he does today.
That was when we were both agreeing that the Bush administration was fucked
up.
Now, they're gone - and we're disagreeing about your paranoid delusion that
Obama is gonna take away your guns.
Where you went wrong was in thinking that the enemy of your enemy is your
friend.
It's a simplistic little slogan, but as a gun-nut, you're a real sucker for
slogans, aren't you?
Here's one I like a lot - "I don't need a gun. I have a penis."
I like it not because of any literary quality, but rather because it REALLY
seems to strike a nerve with gun-nuts.
When I first started using that tagline, I just thought it was a funny
little thing to say.
But it immediately caused a slew of overly-defensive responses from your
fellow gun-nuts.
I wonder why?
RD (The Sandman)
> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C4464008...@216.196.97.130...
>> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>
>>>> " All experience is great provided you live through it.
>>>> If it kills you, you have gone too far."
>>>
>>> That's a great argument - against arming terrorists, dangerous
>>> felons, and right-wing extremists.
>>
>> Then, perhaps, you should use it rather than some of the other inane
>> ones you mention.
>
> Slogans that appeal to cowardice don't appeal to me.
You certainly seem to gravitate to them.
> Those are for people who think of themselves as some kind of *victim*,
> and that's just not me.
Waaaahhhhhhh....
RD (The Sandman)
@newsfe24.iad:
> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C446448D...@216.196.97.130...
>> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>
>>>> Interesting that we believe in choice....you do not. We believe
that
>>>> if you wish to carry a gun, do so. Do you believe in that?
>>>
>>> It depends on what you mean by "we".
>>> I realize you think that terrorists and dangerous felons should be
>>> allowed to walk around with firearms
>>
>> No, I don't but then you got that idea because you DON'T think.
>
> Then, who DO you mean by "we"?
Who do you mean by "you"?
> Gun laws already allow almost everyone to carry a weapon almost
anywhere.
Not really.
> The only ones who cannot are the ones who have proven that they are too
> irresponsible to handle the responsibility.
Which is as it should be. Do you believe that they should be able to
carry them or do you believe in guilty until proven innocent?
RD (The Sandman)
> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C4464E79...@216.196.97.130...
>
>> When he first came on the scene in here, he acted a lot more
>> intelligently than he does today.
>
> That was when we were both agreeing that the Bush administration was
> fucked up.
We agree on that, but I am even talking about the guns.
> Now, they're gone - and we're disagreeing about your paranoid delusion
> that Obama is gonna take away your guns.
Just where did I say that? Take all the screens you need or admit you
are a simple shit who makes things up.
> Where you went wrong was in thinking that the enemy of your enemy is
> your friend.
I have never thought that. Personally, I wouldn't piss on you if you
were on fire.
> It's a simplistic little slogan, but as a gun-nut, you're a real
> sucker for slogans, aren't you?
>
> Here's one I like a lot - "I don't need a gun. I have a penis."
Well, you had better spit it out because it probably isn't yours.
> I like it not because of any literary quality, but rather because it
> REALLY seems to strike a nerve with gun-nuts.
> When I first started using that tagline, I just thought it was a funny
> little thing to say.
> But it immediately caused a slew of overly-defensive responses from
> your fellow gun-nuts.
> I wonder why?
We wonder why you are so fixated on other men's penises.
RD (The Sandman)
news:99cf555mi1o9h1lmn...@4ax.com:
> Why does a felon simply have to be dangerous? The current law simply
> says felon, good enough for me. However, I would add whack-a-doodles
> such as yourself to any list of banned people. You just might hurt
> yourself.
One can only hope.....
Magus
>>
>> Here's one I like a lot - "I don't need a gun. I have a penis."
>
> Well, you had better spit it out because it probably isn't yours.
>
>> I like it not because of any literary quality, but rather because it
>> REALLY seems to strike a nerve with gun-nuts.
>> When I first started using that tagline, I just thought it was a funny
>> little thing to say.
>> But it immediately caused a slew of overly-defensive responses from
>> your fellow gun-nuts.
>> I wonder why?
>
> We wonder why you are so fixated on other men's penises.
>
>
I've wondered the same about the anti-rights types too RD.
Follow their train of thought:
They equate a gun to a penis.
They want to remove everyone else's' gun (penis) so that everyone else
is like them.
Says a lot about the anti's, when by *their* *own* thought processes,
they're espousing castration.
--
RIP Blinky the Shark
The Usenet improvement Project
http://improve-usenet.org/index.html
Sanders Kaufman
news:rXb6m.66329$b9....@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> They equate a gun to a penis.
> They want to remove everyone else's' gun (penis) so that everyone else is
> like them.
Now there's a fine example of "projection" right there.
In a discussion of gun rights, that just *mentions* a penis, you totally
forget about the gun rights and get all defensive.
Clearly, I've struck a nerve with you creeps.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in news:XwX5m.10584$3o6.10506
> Do you believe that they should be able to
> carry them or do you believe in guilty until proven innocent?
The only people who think it need be one or the other are approaching the
situation from a position of cowardice; from a victim mentality.
That's not me - so I can't answer your question.
Sanders Kaufman
> Zombywoof <Zomby...@cox.net> wrote in
>> Why does a felon simply have to be dangerous? The current law simply
>> says felon, good enough for me. However, I would add whack-a-doodles
>> such as yourself to any list of banned people. You just might hurt
>> yourself.
>
> One can only hope.....
Those with courage can do far more than just hope.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>> But it immediately caused a slew of overly-defensive responses from
>> your fellow gun-nuts.
>> I wonder why?
>
> We wonder why you are so fixated on other men's penises.
See, that's what I'm talking about, right there.
Once your tiny penis is mentioned, you totally ignore what you wanted to
talk about - gun rights advocacy.
All you can think of now is penis envy.
Maybe you should go to the gun range and pop off a few to feel like a man
again.
HeyBub
>
> I know what you mean! Which is why I really can't understand people in
> Toledo stockpiling arsenals of weapons! Toledo is the anti-gun capital
> of Ohio. All the testimony for gun bans and other other "sensible"
> laws seems to come out of that area of the state. So why in the world
> are these decent caring liberals taking the insane step of stockpiling
> weapons? If the police aren't there (and when are they there
> instantly), everybody knows the brave and fearless liberal stands
> there like a man and takes death without flinching! They welcome death
> at the hands of a criminals just as the brave Virginia Tech students
> did! They understand better than anyone that using weapons for "self-
> defense" really only adds to violence.
>
> Shame on these Toledo residents. They really know better than to
> promote violence like this!
>
> http://www.wtol.com/global/story.asp?s=10415019&ClientType=Printable
> PS. I really like the nice virtually unreadable black on very dark red
> background display too. Perfect for a Toledo pro-gun piece.
Cut Toledo some slack - at least they're teachable. Last week's Rasmussen
poll showed Ohio now anti-Obama.
On another matter, if you type Ctrl-A (select all) while on the page, the
text turns to white-on-blue and is readable.
Fiftycal
<bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>> They equate a gun to a penis.
>> They want to remove everyone else's' gun (penis) so that everyone else is
>> like them.
>
>Now there's a fine example of "projection" right there.
>In a discussion of gun rights, that just *mentions* a penis, you totally
>forget about the gun rights and get all defensive.
>
>Clearly, I've struck a nerve with you creeps.
>
So did you get all hot and bothered when someone wrote "penis"? I
expected you to still be sitting shiva for your hero, Michael Jackson.
Didn't all the flaming homosexuals lose their icon?
Fiftycal
<bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>> Do you believe that they should be able to
>> carry them or do you believe in guilty until proven innocent?
>
>The only people who think it need be one or the other are approaching the
>situation from a position of cowardice; from a victim mentality.
>That's not me - so I can't answer your question.
>
Are you talking about pistols or penises, NAMBLA boy?
RD (The Sandman)
Not true, You can't answer my question for one of two reasons. You
either don't have the courage and faith to do so or you are a moron.
Your choice.
RD (The Sandman)
RD (The Sandman)
Nope, clearly, you are just interested in us for our penises.
RD (The Sandman)
> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C4560B52...@216.196.97.130...
>> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>
>>> But it immediately caused a slew of overly-defensive responses from
>>> your fellow gun-nuts.
>>> I wonder why?
>>
>> We wonder why you are so fixated on other men's penises.
>
> See, that's what I'm talking about, right there.
> Once your tiny penis is mentioned, you totally ignore what you wanted
> to talk about - gun rights advocacy.
> All you can think of now is penis envy.
You brought it up. Are you looking for a date?
> Maybe you should go to the gun range and pop off a few to feel like a
> man again.
Did you finally spit out the one you wanted for yours?
RD (The Sandman)
@newsfe02.iad:
How would you know? Reading someone else's posts?
Klaus Schadenfreude
>I realize you think that terrorists and dangerous felons should be allowed
>to walk around with firearms
Cite.
RD (The Sandman)
news:v82k559o73t3a4415...@4ax.com:
He is a moron. He simply makes shit up with no basis because, to him, it
sounds good. Perhaps he should go back to his rattle.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>> The only people who think it need be one or the other are approaching
>> the situation from a position of cowardice; from a victim mentality.
>> That's not me - so I can't answer your question.
>
> Not true, You can't answer my question for one of two reasons. You
> either don't have the courage and faith to do so or you are a moron.
> Your choice.
I answered your question, you just didn't understand the answer.
Tell me - as a gun-nut, does your ignorance stem from your cowardice, or
the other way around?
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>> Maybe you should go to the gun range and pop off a few to feel like a
>> man again.
>
> Did you finally spit out the one you wanted for yours?
Wow - 6 responses to my one message, all defending your penis.
CLEARLY, I've struck a nerve.
RD (The Sandman)
Neither, how about yours?
RD (The Sandman)
@newsfe22.iad:
Of course, I will defend my penis. I don't want you licking it all up.
Klaus Schadenfreude
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:v82k559o73t3a4415...@4ax.com:
>
>> In talk.politics.guns "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I realize you think that terrorists and dangerous felons should be
>>>allowed to walk around with firearms
>>
>> Cite.
>>
>
>He is a moron. He simply makes shit up with no basis because, to him, it
>sounds good. Perhaps he should go back to his rattle.
He certainly doesn't need to cite that he's a moron. I would believe
that. :>
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>> Tell me - as a gun-nut, does your ignorance stem from your cowardice,
>> or the other way around?
>
> Neither, how about yours?
A gun-nut calling someone a coward while cowering behind internet
anonymity - it's like you're trying to make my point for me.
RD (The Sandman)
@newsfe19.iad:
I'll give you my address, you yellow cocksucker, if you promise to show
up.
AndyWest
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in news:QYu6m.102774$K24.1336
> @newsfe19.iad:
>
>
>>"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:Xns9C46682CD...@216.196.97.130...
>>
>>>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>>
>>>>Tell me - as a gun-nut, does your ignorance stem from your
>
> cowardice,
>
>>>>or the other way around?
>>>
>>>Neither, how about yours?
>>
>>A gun-nut calling someone a coward while cowering behind internet
>>anonymity - it's like you're trying to make my point for me.
> I'll give you my address, you yellow cocksucker, if you promise to show
> up.
I tried that with "TMT". (posted here many times!)
I gave him my address,(also posted here many times!)
THEN, he said "I need your license plate number."
"Then I need..." etc. and etc.
And All _I_ did was tell "TMT", is that if he breaks into my home
illegally to take my stuff,(like he said he would do!) I would make
sure that the last thing he saw was a bright flash of light from the
muzzle end of the firearm of my choice.
He "MIGHT" hear the sound of a round being discharged as well... but I
doubt we will be able to discuss that issue, as I will aim for the one
bad brain cell he has, and put him into a ... how you say.. " Slumber Mode".
And the kewl thing is, _I_ will never be convicted OR charged with a crime!
RD (The Sandman)
news:4a5b6bbf$0$5922$607e...@cv.net:
> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>
>> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>> news:QYu6m.102774$K24.1336 @newsfe19.iad:
>>
>>
>>>"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:Xns9C46682CD...@216.196.97.130...
>>>
>>>>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>>>
>>>>>Tell me - as a gun-nut, does your ignorance stem from your
>>
>> cowardice,
>>
>>>>>or the other way around?
>>>>
>>>>Neither, how about yours?
>>>
>>>A gun-nut calling someone a coward while cowering behind internet
>>>anonymity - it's like you're trying to make my point for me.
>
>> I'll give you my address, you yellow cocksucker, if you promise to
>> show up.
>
>
> I tried that with "TMT". (posted here many times!)
I know.
> I gave him my address,(also posted here many times!)
> THEN, he said "I need your license plate number."
I even verified in here that it was a valid address and not a vacant lot
between construction sites.
> "Then I need..." etc. and etc.
>
>
> And All _I_ did was tell "TMT", is that if he breaks into my home
> illegally to take my stuff,(like he said he would do!) I would make
> sure that the last thing he saw was a bright flash of light from the
> muzzle end of the firearm of my choice.
>
> He "MIGHT" hear the sound of a round being discharged as well... but I
> doubt we will be able to discuss that issue, as I will aim for the one
> bad brain cell he has, and put him into a ... how you say.. " Slumber
> Mode".
;)
> And the kewl thing is, _I_ will never be convicted OR charged with a
> crime!
I am curious as to Saunder's response.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in news:QYu6m.102774$K24.1336
>> A gun-nut calling someone a coward while cowering behind internet
>> anonymity - it's like you're trying to make my point for me.
>
> I'll give you my address, you yellow cocksucker, if you promise to show
> up.
That's what you say, but that's not what you do.
You just keep cowering behind Internet anonymity.
That's what you've always done; and you'll never change -because it's your
cowardice that defines you.
Maybe, someday, when you're really old and senile, and you get caught
scamming Social Security, you'll shoot up a Holocaust museum.
Such a suicide-by-cop thing is the closest you'll ever get to "courage".
Klaus Schadenfreude
>"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:Xns9C475FC97...@216.196.97.130...
>> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in news:QYu6m.102774$K24.1336
>
>>> A gun-nut calling someone a coward while cowering behind internet
>>> anonymity - it's like you're trying to make my point for me.
>>
>> I'll give you my address, you yellow cocksucker, if you promise to show
>> up.
>
>That's what you say, but that's not what you do.
>You just keep cowering behind Internet anonymity.
>That's what you've always done; and you'll never change -because it's your
>cowardice that defines you.
You're pretty brave behind your keyboard, aren't you?
Gray Ghost
@newsfe12.iad:
If I send you my address will come beat me up? Please? Pretty please?
--
Always remember:
Bull Connor was a Democrat!
Sanders Kaufman
> If I send you my address will come beat me up? Please? Pretty please?
What is it about you chicken-shit gun-nuts that you're all asking for
*permission* to fight?
If you want to fight, and you have the courage to fight - then do so.
But clearly - that's not the case.
Like I always say - it's your *cowardice* that defines you - and you just
keep proving it over and over.
Benj
> What is it about you chicken-shit gun-nuts that you're all asking for
> *permission* to fight?
> If you want to fight, and you have the courage to fight - then do so.
> But clearly - that's not the case.
> Like I always say - it's your *cowardice* that defines you - and you just
> keep proving it over and over.
Just like it's your brainless loud arrogant mouth that defines you.
Empty barrels make the most noise. WE can only hope that one day you
pull your "CB radio" act some place where one of those rednecks you
hate decides to actually live up to the stereotypes you constantly
spew. I'd love to see the Youtube video of you demonstrating your
"courage" being dragged behind some pickup truck for a few miles,
though obviously I don't condone such illegal behavior! :)
Gray Ghost
@newsfe19.iad:
Hey dickwad, you're the loudmouth insulting people. Hell I'll fight you.
Youcoming here or am I going there?
Sanders Kaufman
> Hey dickwad, you're the loudmouth insulting people. Hell I'll fight you.
No, you won't.
You'll just keep anonymously throwing tantrums - like you always do.
Your cowardice prevents you from doing anything more than that.
D. Staples
Gray Ghost
@newsfe17.iad:
Sure I will. Where you want to meet?
RD (The Sandman)
I don't see your promise.
RD (The Sandman)
We simply wish to see if you have the balls to show up. After all, it is
you calling us cowards not the other way around. Do you have those
balls?
Sanders Kaufman
>> No, you won't.
>> You'll just keep anonymously throwing tantrums - like you always do.
>> Your cowardice prevents you from doing anything more than that.
>
> Sure I will. Where you want to meet?
If you want to commit an crime, just fucking do it.
Quit asking me for excuses and permission.
Gray Ghost
@newsfe06.iad:
As I thought. When called to have actions meet words, the cowardice becomes
obvious. And I don't need your permission just a location.
RD (The Sandman)
> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>> news:BhX6m.43920$_S2.23155
>
>>> No, you won't.
>>> You'll just keep anonymously throwing tantrums - like you always do.
>>> Your cowardice prevents you from doing anything more than that.
>>
>> Sure I will. Where you want to meet?
>
> If you want to commit an crime, just fucking do it.
We don't wish to attack you or commit a crime, that doesn't show any
guts. It is just that you called us (or me specifically) a coward. I am
simply asking you to back that up. Either you can or you can't.
> Quit asking me for excuses and permission.
No one is. They are simply, like me, asking you to back up your
statement if you think you can. If you can't, then you should stop
making it.
Lookout
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in news:QYu6m.102774$K24.1336
>@newsfe19.iad:
>
>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9C46682CD...@216.196.97.130...
>>> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>>
>>>> Tell me - as a gun-nut, does your ignorance stem from your
>cowardice,
>>>> or the other way around?
>>>
>>> Neither, how about yours?
>>
>> A gun-nut calling someone a coward while cowering behind internet
>> anonymity - it's like you're trying to make my point for me.
>
>I'll give you my address, you yellow cocksucker, if you promise to show
>up.
And I'm sure mommy will be right there to pull your 4th grade ass out
of a fight again.
You douchbags are so fucking immature it's hilarious. It's no wonder
the NRA distances itself from idiots like you.
Lookout
He's already old and senile maturity wise. No doubt he was the
smartass skinny kid in high school that got his ass beat repeatedly
and this is grown up response. He's still the same scared little
shithead he always was.
RD (The Sandman)
news:huj665pq84r94rkav...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:25:01 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)"
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in news:QYu6m.102774
$K24.1336
>>@newsfe19.iad:
>>
>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9C46682CD...@216.196.97.130...
>>>> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
>>>
>>>>> Tell me - as a gun-nut, does your ignorance stem from your
>>cowardice,
>>>>> or the other way around?
>>>>
>>>> Neither, how about yours?
>>>
>>> A gun-nut calling someone a coward while cowering behind internet
>>> anonymity - it's like you're trying to make my point for me.
>>
>>I'll give you my address, you yellow cocksucker, if you promise to show
>>up.
>
> And I'm sure mommy will be right there to pull your 4th grade ass out
> of a fight again.
Don't need her, but you may wish to bring yours. ;)