Last gasps of obsolete GOP
Cliff
http://www.examiner.com/x-24957-Progressive-Examiner~y2009m11d12-Dobbs-and-Palin-for-President-2012-last-gasps-of-obsolete-GOP
[
Maybe Dobbs should team up with Palin for an indie-hit not seen since the likes
of Ross "giant suckin' sound" Perot?
If so, this would be a gift to Democrats and indicative of the last gasps of an
obsolete Grand Old Party, emphasizing--old. In a two-party system, if an
independent with real legs springs up, it invariably will benefit one of the
major parties. In the case of an independent tea-bagger candidacy, this would
mean skimming five or ten points off the Republican candidate dooming them
electorally.
What's an interesting dynamic in all this, are the right wing rabble-rousing
cheerleaders like Limbaugh and Beck, et al. They don't have to articulate a
message that communicates an inclusive political mindset, in fact, most of their
rhetoric sensationalizes -- because its show biz -- stereotypes -- because its
show biz -- stokes fear -- because its show biz, you get the point. Their model
is entertainment parked in a political vehicle, ministering to a minority of
folks verging on xenophobic affliction, deathly afraid their conception of
"homeland" has been stolen away; they are losing their country, and are freaked
out about it. Problem is, the right wing media putsch does nothing to build the
inclusive consensus necessary for broad-based electoral victory.
]
Lookout
I said it before and I'll say it again. I love Palin and the tea
baggers. They will split the republican vote and more dems will get
in. More dems mean a better chance for Obama to win a second term and
appoint a common sense justice in place of Thomas, who will be the
next conservative justice to die.
pyjamarama
wrote:
> http://www.examiner.com/x-24957-Progressive-Examiner~y2009m11d12-Dobb...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot
Kinda puts lie to your silly little header, eh?
Ramon F Herrera
>
> Kinda puts lie to your silly little header, eh?
The OP's header is not silly -nor a lie- at all, PJ. What you describe
is a little rain, compared with the catastrophe of biblical
proportions that has been killing the GOP:
http://www.southernstudies.org/2009/08/the-south-secedes-from-the-gop.html
You'all can't even count with the South anymore.
Don't confuse weather with climate.
-Ramon The New Kinda Southerner
Manager
"I love Palin and the tea baggers. They will split the republican vote
and more dems will get
in. More dems mean a better chance for Obama to win a second term"
------------------
Sarah Palin is a joke and has no significant following. She is no
longer a factor in American politics, only a factor in American
entertainment news. She is a comedy act.
Barack Obama is pouring our troops and money into the endless
quicksand of Afghanistan for no legitimate reason. Obama's popularity
will continue to fall as the American people gradually wake up to the
complete stupidity and senselessness of his policies. LBJ was popular
until Vietnam dragged him to hell. Obama and his super-sized ego are
dragging the US to hell in Afghanistan. Obama will be branded a
despised fool just as George W. Bush was branded a despised fool.
Obama has no brain, only an oversized mouth. Wake up and smell the
stupidly of his policies.
pyjamarama
Keep tellin' yourself that, ace...
Gottas explain those VA, NJ returns somehow, eh?
>
> http://www.southernstudies.org/2009/08/the-south-secedes-from-the-gop...
>
> You'all can't even count with the South anymore.
Y'all can't even let the American electorate know what you are...
Even apparatchiks like Sotomayor have to pretend they're right of
center...
It's when Americans take full measure of what you are that they recoil
in horror...
Recent polls suggest they're about halfway there with O'bummer...
And that's just after 10 months.
Just wait until Nov. 2010.
>
> Don't confuse weather with climate.
You wouldn't know the difference if it bit you on the ass.
Zymrgy
> In article <7neqf55cpp143t4v4n6cf0rp6jfumca...@4ax.com>,
> Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>
>
>
> >http://www.examiner.com/x-24957-Progressive-Examiner~y2009m11d12-Dobb...
> loser for Congress for the Green Party. In others words, he's part of the
> fringe element. He runs for a Congressional seat in Missouri and hold a
> fund raiser in Beverly Hills. He probably doesn't know where Missouri is
> on the map. He's just your every day loudmouth at Starbuck's.
>
> Dobbs having a degree in economics has never held an executive position
> in his life. He would not be good in an executive position in government.
> He'd better off as a Congressman.
>
> Palin, on the other hand, has had executive experience as a governor. She
> is perfect for an executive position in the White House.
>
> DeLear is nothing more than a mealy mouthed armchair quarterback who is
> scared of Sarah Palin.
>
> --
>
> "I don't feel I have to wipe everybody out.
> Just my enemies."
> -Michael Corleone
Fuck off Cliff....keep things on topic.
Beam Me Up Scotty
> In article <MPG.256758869...@news.tornevall.net>, Bugsy Siegel
> <Casino...@IGT.com> wrote:
>
>> Palin, on the other hand, has had executive experience as a governor. She
>> is perfect for an executive position in the White House.
>
> and unprepared than George W. Bush is a tall order but Republicans might
> have done it with Sarah Palin. We're not going down that path again,
> especially only four years.
she made Obama and that idiot Biden look like assholes every time they
tried to attack her.
It has only been the relentless lying attacks of the Liberal press that
has impregnated the average Liberals mind with the lie that Palin is
stupid. You want to see stupid, look at Biden or look at Obama's
"accomplishments".
--
Brother Lightfoot
"Bugsy Siegel" <Casino...@IGT.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.256758869...@news.tornevall.net...
.
>
> Palin, on the other hand, has had executive experience as a governor. She
So have countless other state governors, many of which even served multiple
terms without having suddenly and inexplicably abandoned their post....
> is perfect for an executive position in the White House.
Re-hab is for quitters.
--
Too_Many_Tools
> <http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/11/11/2009-11-11_americ...>
> America's seeing red:
> More prefer Republicans to Democrats in recent poll
>
> For the first time in at least 7 years, voters prefer Republicans to
> Democrats.
>
> If Democrats were not worried by losing the New Jersey and Virginia
> governorships this month, Gallup has some data today that should put a
> deep chill in their bones.
>
> For the first time in years, the GOP has the lead in generic ballot
> preferences over Democrats. That is, if people are asked whether
> they’ll vote for an unnamed Democrat or Republican for Congress, 48%
> are saying they’ll back the Republican, versus 44% who will choose the
> Democrat.
>
> We’re not sure of the last time that was true, but 2002 was the last
> especially strong year for the GOP, and the Democrats have been very
> strong since March 2006.
>
> The reversal of fortunes began in the spring, but has accelerated with
> the victories of Bob McDonnell and Chris Christie.
>
> A lot is driven by the economy, and it’s mostly independents fleeing
> Democrats.
>
> ...snip
Dream on Winston...dream on.
That explains why the Republicans lost another Congress seat. ;<)
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
> In article <dennism3-ya02408000R1311091716530...@news.datemas.de>,
> denni...@dennism3.invalid says...> In article <MPG.2567588695f8d93d989...@news.tornevall.net>, Bugsy Siegel
> > <CasinoRoy...@IGT.com> wrote:
>
> > >Palin, on the other hand, has had executive experience as a governor. She
>
> > and unprepared than George W. Bush is a tall order but Republicans might
> > have done it with Sarah Palin. We're not going down that path again,
> > especially only four years.
>
> rookie has never had to make an executive decision in his life. He is
> still applying for the job.
> --
>
> "I don't feel I have to wipe everybody out.
> Just my enemies."
> -Michael Corleone
And doing quite well at it.
TMT
Cliff
>> If you elect Palin president, be sure to pick a good VP because they
>> will have the job the first time someone says they don't like Palin's
>> dress.
>>
>Talking about the way she dresses shows the pettiness of those who are
>scared of her.
No petticoats then, eh?
--
Cliff
Cliff
Did she ever return all those $$$$ clothes & $$$$ makeup to the rethugs?
Last I heard they could not find them & had had to send a lawyer
to Alaska to try to deal with her.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>In article <no5sf5d36va5ge412...@4ax.com>,
>not_...@bogus.net says...
>> Bugsy Siegel <Casino...@IGT.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Palin, on the other hand, has had executive experience as a governor. She
>> >is perfect for an executive position in the White House.
>>
>> A piece of one term. Before she cut and run. She got to be governor
>> by cutting and running from her previous positions.
>
>Unlike the President of the United States, she does not have the luxury
>of unlimited resources to fight off the opposition. In Alaska, her
>opposition bankrupted her and her family with their bogus ethics
>complaints since she had use her and her family's own resources. Obama on
>the other hand has the taxpayer to cover his ass.
I must have missed the bankruptcy filing.
Do you have a link?
Palin seemed to have no ethics ...
--
Cliff
Cliff
>America's seeing red:
> More prefer Republicans to Democrats in recent poll
>
>For the first time in at least 7 years, voters prefer Republicans to
>Democrats.
>
>If Democrats were not worried by losing the New Jersey and Virginia
>governorships this month, Gallup has some data today that should put a
>deep chill in their bones.
>
>For the first time in years, the GOP has the lead in generic ballot
>preferences over Democrats. That is, if people are asked whether
>they�ll vote for an unnamed Democrat or Republican for Congress, 48%
>are saying they�ll back the Republican, versus 44% who will choose the
>Democrat.
>
>We�re not sure of the last time that was true, but 2002 was the last
>especially strong year for the GOP, and the Democrats have been very
>strong since March 2006.
>
>The reversal of fortunes began in the spring, but has accelerated with
>the victories of Bob McDonnell and Chris Christie.
>
>A lot is driven by the economy, and it�s mostly independents fleeing
>Democrats.
>
>...snip
IIRC The dems gained seats in Congress.
How odd.
--
Cliff
Klaus Schadenfreude
The turning point arrived this summer. More people strongly disapprove
than strongly approve Oabama's performance.
Better get Kerry prepped for the next election.
Lookout
<Casino...@IGT.com> wrote:
>In article <dennism3-ya0240800...@news.datemas.de>,
>denn...@dennism3.invalid says...
>> In article <MPG.256758869...@news.tornevall.net>, Bugsy Siegel
>> <Casino...@IGT.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Palin, on the other hand, has had executive experience as a governor. She
>> >is perfect for an executive position in the White House.
>>
>> <guffaw> Finding a presidential nominee even more intellectually uncurious
>> and unprepared than George W. Bush is a tall order but Republicans might
>> have done it with Sarah Palin. We're not going down that path again,
>> especially only four years.
>>
>Having Barack Obama as the chief executive was quite a stretch. The
>rookie has never had to make an executive decision in his life. He is
>still applying for the job.
He got the job because the last idiot fucked up so bad.
Lookout
Total approved is 50% What was bush's when he left?
Fuck..you're even stupid when you don't let me help
tankfixer
mrLo...@yahoo.com says...
Too bad the current idiot is making such a hash of the job..
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
What is your alternative?
Being a critic is simple. Offering a comprehensive solution takes mental
firepower and balls to argue your case.
--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2012 Run, Sarah, Run! 2012
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cliff
>For the first time in years, the GOP has the lead in generic ballot
>preferences over Democrats. That is, if people are asked whether
>they�ll vote for an unnamed Democrat or Republican for Congress, 48%
>are saying they�ll back the Republican, versus 44% who will choose the
>Democrat.
But once you actually NAME any rethug ......
--
Cliff
tankfixer
CurlySu...@live.com says...
Lead, that's what the man was hired to do.
He knew Afganistan was an issue, yet he has done nothing and can't make
a decision.
He wanted a health care reform, yet dithered all summer while congress
wrote yet another bill full of pork and payoff to their friends.
Lookout
wrote:
>In article <5sauf5dj81e6h0eqc...@4ax.com>,
Give him his 8 years
Lookout
wrote:
So you'd rather he make a hurried decision. That's what bush did and
that's why we went into Iraq.
>He wanted a health care reform, yet dithered all summer while congress
>wrote yet another bill full of pork and payoff to their friends.
Congress HAS to write the bill you jackass.
And you would have complained not matter what order he took on all of
bush's fuck ups. You're a fucking whiner..that's what you do best.
Beam Me Up Scotty
--
Lookout
You won't have a choice.
I just may vote for him next time.
tankfixer
mrLo...@yahoo.com says...
he doesn't get 8 years..
He has 4 years guaranteed..
To get 4 more he needs to show he can handle the job.
To do that he needs to be doing it NOW....
tankfixer
mrLo...@yahoo.com says...
of course we have a choice.
>
> I just may vote for him next time.
Why ?
Did the communist drop out of the race already ?
tankfixer
mrLo...@yahoo.com says...
Funny how decisions need to be made quickly sometimes....
>
> >He wanted a health care reform, yet dithered all summer while congress
> >wrote yet another bill full of pork and payoff to their friends.
>
> Congress HAS to write the bill you jackass.
> And you would have complained not matter what order he took on all of
> bush's fuck ups. You're a fucking whiner..that's what you do best.
waa waa..
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
That is not a plan.
> He knew Afganistan was an issue, yet he has done nothing and can't make
> a decision.
Probably false.
> He wanted a health care reform, yet dithered all summer while congress
> wrote yet another bill full of pork and payoff to their friends.
Again, what is your alternative? You've not suggested a single idea or
plan which might be communicated to Obama.
Critics are a dime a dozen.
Lookout
Lookout
wrote:
No idea. You're the one worried about it.
Lookout
wrote:
Some can
>
>
>>
>> >He wanted a health care reform, yet dithered all summer while congress
>> >wrote yet another bill full of pork and payoff to their friends.
>>
>> Congress HAS to write the bill you jackass.
>> And you would have complained not matter what order he took on all of
>> bush's fuck ups. You're a fucking whiner..that's what you do best.
>
>waa waa..
Nah..it's your "waa waa" that he's in office. I'm sitting back
watching your idiots pull your last few hairs out.
tankfixer
Figured you wouldn't have any idea.. you think we get no choice.
tankfixer
CurlySu...@live.com says...
He doesn't seem to have one of those either..
So we have no plan and no leadership..
>
> > He knew Afganistan was an issue, yet he has done nothing and can't make
> > a decision.
>
> Probably false.
Probably false ?
now thats just pathetic.
The facts speak for themselves.
>
> > He wanted a health care reform, yet dithered all summer while congress
> > wrote yet another bill full of pork and payoff to their friends.
>
> Again, what is your alternative? You've not suggested a single idea or
> plan which might be communicated to Obama.
Cut out the pork.
The "stimulus" bill was a huge pork payoff to congresssional doners and
the health care bill will be too.
Why do you think they wanted to jam it through with no debate ?
tankfixer
Lookout
wrote:
Not at all. There are no communists in the race.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
Are you being intentionally obtuse or do you have monomania?
Repeating the same complaints without offering alternatives is an
exercise in uselessness. Offer up some specifics, and be prepared to
substantiate and defend them logically, so I can decide your rank in my
Bozo Filter or not.
> He knew Afganistan was an
> issue, yet he has done nothing and can't make a decision.
> He wanted a health care reform, yet dithered all summer while congress
> wrote yet another bill full of pork and payoff to their friends.
Stop repeating yourself, are you obsessive? We understand that you are
against everything Obama does, is doing, has done. We understand that
you believe that every disaster now occurring is because of something
Obama did.
We get it.
Now, what's your answer? Specifics. Don't argue *against* Obama, tell
us how you'd deal with today's reality. And it must be a least squares
multi-dimensional path. You must recognize negative consequences and
follow each and every logic path to a distance where negatives become
justifiable or irrelevant.
For instance, you might say that deficit spending must stop. I agree.
What we seem not to agree upon is chronology. Obviously you want an
immediate return to some unstated goal. Define your goal and tell us how
you'd get there.
If I disagree I'll give you my reasons why in clear terms. Next you must
deal with any reasonable issues. For example let us examine an immediate
halt to deficit spending:
Federal spending would collapse due to cutbacks of 15%. Which programs
would you take funds from? If you want to send 40,000 more troops to
Afghanistan _and_ cut the total budget by 15% that leaves debt service
and social services. Debt service is inviolable leaving social services
and infrastructure, roughly 33% of the total budget.
Are you prepared to reduce all social services by half tomorrow?
How would you provide fire and police protection? Border Patrol? Coast
Guard? bridges, land services such as fire and flood protection, clean
water, sewage, forest service, highway patrol, social security, welfare,
ADFC, prisons, jails, courts, public office workers, road maintenance,
water systems and roads?
If you are unwilling to take half of any of these agencies then you must
take it by increasing the reduction to all the others.
How would you end deficit spending?
Then let us go through other issues such as defense, graft, election
tampering and politicians who have knowingly and willingly violated their
oath of office and the Constitution for starters.
Being a cynic and critic only works if people have a reference of what
you _are_ for and a functional plan on how to get there. Bitching about
the same shit every posting, no matter the topic, tends to exercise
filters to ignore you. Then it becomes impossible to convince anyone of
whatever it is that you're for.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
You've still not voiced an alternative.
>> > He knew Afganistan was an issue, yet he has done nothing and can't
>> > make a decision.
>>
>> Probably false.
>
> Probably false ?
> now thats just pathetic.
> The facts speak for themselves.
Yes, provably false. Obama already increased the U.S. Afghani forces by
28,000 earlier this year. What do you suggest that he do? Not
criticisms but what is your plan to solve the Afghanistani problem?
>> > He wanted a health care reform, yet dithered all summer while
>> > congress wrote yet another bill full of pork and payoff to their
>> > friends.
>>
>> Again, what is your alternative? You've not suggested a single idea or
>> plan which might be communicated to Obama.
>
> Cut out the pork.
Entirely insufficient. Reply in the other fork of this topic.
> The "stimulus" bill was a huge pork payoff to congresssional doners and
> the health care bill will be too.
> Why do you think they wanted to jam it through with no debate ?
>
>
>
>
>> Critics are a dime a dozen.
Critics are a dime a dozen. It takes balls to offer a plan that others
can critique. You've offered nothing.
tankfixer
Then you won't get to vote for your first choice will you ?
Lookout
wrote:
Is that the best you can do? Accuse me of being a nazi? Why would I
don that? Please offer some proof that I've ever said I would vote for
one.
Take your time.
tankfixer
I am trusting him to weigh the facts and issues and make a descision..
He has had since January to do so and just now is thinking maybe he
should consider doing something.
>
> >> > He knew Afganistan was an issue, yet he has done nothing and can't
> >> > make a decision.
> >>
> >> Probably false.
> >
> > Probably false ?
> > now thats just pathetic.
> > The facts speak for themselves.
>
> Yes, provably false. Obama already increased the U.S. Afghani forces by
> 28,000 earlier this year. What do you suggest that he do? Not
> criticisms but what is your plan to solve the Afghanistani problem?
Troop movements in place long before he was elected.
Units know more than a year out when they are deploying.
Neither yo unor I can offer ideas without information neither of us are
privy to.
>
> >> > He wanted a health care reform, yet dithered all summer while
> >> > congress wrote yet another bill full of pork and payoff to their
> >> > friends.
> >>
> >> Again, what is your alternative? You've not suggested a single idea or
> >> plan which might be communicated to Obama.
> >
> > Cut out the pork.
>
> Entirely insufficient. Reply in the other fork of this topic.
Afraid your ox will be gored ?
tankfixer
says...
Your arguments fail when you confuse local with federal spending.
tankfixer
You are very confused.
You said we have no choice..
Eat your words.
>
> Take your time.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
Are you being intentionally obtuse or do you have monomania?
Repeating the same complaints without offering alternatives is an
exercise in uselessness. Offer up some specifics, and be prepared to
substantiate and defend them logically, so I can decide your rank in my
Bozo Filter or not.
> He knew Afganistan was an
> issue, yet he has done nothing and can't make a decision.
> He wanted a health care reform, yet dithered all summer while congress
> wrote yet another bill full of pork and payoff to their friends.
Stop repeating yourself, are you obsessive? We understand that you are
We get it.
--
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
Are you being intentionally obtuse or do you have monomania?
Repeating the same complaints without offering alternatives is an
exercise in uselessness. Offer up some specifics, and be prepared to
substantiate and defend them logically, so I can decide your rank in my
Bozo Filter or not.
> He knew Afganistan was an
> issue, yet he has done nothing and can't make a decision.
> He wanted a health care reform, yet dithered all summer while congress
> wrote yet another bill full of pork and payoff to their friends.
Stop repeating yourself, are you obsessive? We understand that you are
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
You're repeating yourself again. Cutting and pasting that feelie-good
platitude doesn't answer the question, "What would you suggest that Obama
do?
Can you break out of the troll gutter and communicate or do you wind up
in the Bozo Bin?
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
Yes, "decision." Not "reaction" as did his predecessor. Look where that
got us.
> He has had since January to do so and just now is thinking maybe he
> should consider doing something.
How do you know what another being thinks?
>> >> > He knew Afganistan was an issue, yet he has done nothing and can't
>> >> > make a decision.
>> >>
>> >> Probably false.
>> >
>> > Probably false ?
>> > now thats just pathetic.
>> > The facts speak for themselves.
>>
>> Yes, provably false. Obama already increased the U.S. Afghani forces
>> by 28,000 earlier this year. What do you suggest that he do? Not
>> criticisms but what is your plan to solve the Afghanistani problem?
>
> Troop movements in place long before he was elected. Units know more
> than a year out when they are deploying.
Nope, ordered by Obama less than 30 days into his Presidency:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/17/obama.troops/index.html
> Neither yo unor I can offer ideas without information neither of us are
> privy to.
Yet you claim sufficient information to complain. Either you have enough
info to offer your suggestions on how to do better in Afghanistan or you
don't have enough information to criticize. Which is it?
>> >> > He wanted a health care reform, yet dithered all summer while
>> >> > congress wrote yet another bill full of pork and payoff to their
>> >> > friends.
>> >>
>> >> Again, what is your alternative? You've not suggested a single idea
>> >> or plan which might be communicated to Obama.
>> >
>> > Cut out the pork.
>>
>> Entirely insufficient. Reply in the other fork of this topic.
>
> Afraid your ox will be gored ?
No, I'm not sure you are worth the time to reply to twice given your
penchant for cutting and pasting the same response to inquiries for
specifics.
>> > The "stimulus" bill was a huge pork payoff to congresssional doners
>> > and the health care bill will be too.
>> > Why do you think they wanted to jam it through with no debate ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Critics are a dime a dozen.
>>
>> Critics are a dime a dozen. It takes balls to offer a plan that others
>> can critique. You've offered nothing.
Critics are a dime a dozen. It takes balls to offer a plan that others
can critique. You've offered nothing.
--
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
So you have nothing. No logic, no policies, no clue yet you feel
qualified to criticize Obama.
Why should anyone listen to you?
Lookout
wrote:
You never specified which you wanted to talk about.
Lookout
wrote:
I said you will have no choice about Obama. I'm predicting he will win
easily.
>Eat your words.
We shall see
tankfixer
Because he has told us..
>
> >> >> > He knew Afganistan was an issue, yet he has done nothing and can't
> >> >> > make a decision.
> >> >>
> >> >> Probably false.
> >> >
> >> > Probably false ?
> >> > now thats just pathetic.
> >> > The facts speak for themselves.
> >>
> >> Yes, provably false. Obama already increased the U.S. Afghani forces
> >> by 28,000 earlier this year. What do you suggest that he do? Not
> >> criticisms but what is your plan to solve the Afghanistani problem?
> >
> > Troop movements in place long before he was elected. Units know more
> > than a year out when they are deploying.
>
> Nope, ordered by Obama less than 30 days into his Presidency:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/17/obama.troops/index.html
A knee jerk reaction it would seem.. The sort of decision you claim to
abhor.
>
> > Neither yo unor I can offer ideas without information neither of us are
> > privy to.
>
> Yet you claim sufficient information to complain. Either you have enough
> info to offer your suggestions on how to do better in Afghanistan or you
> don't have enough information to criticize. Which is it?
So you will state you are satisfied to make a decision based only on
what is public knoewledge ?
>
> >> >> > He wanted a health care reform, yet dithered all summer while
> >> >> > congress wrote yet another bill full of pork and payoff to their
> >> >> > friends.
> >> >>
> >> >> Again, what is your alternative? You've not suggested a single idea
> >> >> or plan which might be communicated to Obama.
> >> >
> >> > Cut out the pork.
> >>
> >> Entirely insufficient. Reply in the other fork of this topic.
> >
> > Afraid your ox will be gored ?
>
> No, I'm not sure you are worth the time to reply to twice given your
> penchant for cutting and pasting the same response to inquiries for
> specifics.
Why do you lie ?
Might I point out that YOU just did that very action.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
That is a lie.
> Might I point out that YOU just did that very action.
Nope, I repeated the unanswered question with keystrokes.
And now you're evading by misdirection.
>> >> > The "stimulus" bill was a huge pork payoff to congresssional
>> >> > doners and the health care bill will be too. Why do you think they
>> >> > wanted to jam it through with no debate ?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Critics are a dime a dozen.
>> >>
>> >> Critics are a dime a dozen. It takes balls to offer a plan that
>> >> others can critique. You've offered nothing.
>>
>> Critics are a dime a dozen. It takes balls to offer a plan that others
>> can critique. You've offered nothing.
--
tankfixer
When you run off claiming it is a federal responsibility to fund local
fire departments and such it's hard to take you seriously.
tankfixer
tankfixer
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
Decide what? Can you not construct a cogent posting or position? It
takes a lot more than criticism to be taken seriously. In fact it takes
real courage to present a position and defend it against the inevitable
negative side effects.
Despite my assistance you've been unable to do so.
>> Can you break out of the troll gutter and communicate or do you wind up
>> in the Bozo Bin?
--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2012 Run, John Ensign, Run! 2012
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
WTF are you talking about now? Is your memory so bad that you really
think I've said any such thing or are you making shit up to avoid your
own inability to voice a plan?
>> Why should anyone listen to you?
Why should anyone listen to you?
--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
tankfixer
CurlySu...@live.com says...
You said,
> >> >> How would you provide fire and police protection? Border Patrol?
> >> >> Coast Guard? bridges, land services such as fire and flood
> >> >> protection, clean water, sewage, forest service, highway patrol,
> >> >> social security, welfare, ADFC, prisons, jails, courts, public
> >> >> office workers, road maintenance, water systems and roads?
Many of those activities are not federal responsibilities, are they ?
Lookout
wrote:
It was implied and easy enough to deduce.
Lookout
wrote:
You would rather have a rushed decision?
Just answer the question. Yes or no.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
All of them are federal responsibilities at the federal level. You
picked "local fire departments" and I said no such thing. The National
Forest Service fights fires across the nation with help from the National
Guard and military.
Stop making shit up to get excited about and pay attention to the flow of
conversation.
>> >> Why should anyone listen to you?
>>
>> Why should anyone listen to you?
--
tankfixer
tankfixer
mrLo...@yahoo.com says...
No.
He has 10 months....In office.
A year since the election.
But since we had to rush a "stimulis" bill..
And a healthcare bill I don't see what objection you might have to his
making rushed decisions..
tankfixer
CurlySu...@live.com says...
I was unaware the federal government operatred a highway patrol...
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
The government doesn't, my mistake. All the others are valid including
forest service fire fighting which you took issue with. Which of the
long list are you willing to cut by 50%?
>> Stop making shit up to get excited about and pay attention to the flow
>> of conversation.
>>
>> >> >> Why should anyone listen to you?
>> >>
>> >> Why should anyone listen to you?
--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2012 Run, Rudy, Run! 2012
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lookout
wrote:
Nah..not at all. Who else could you vote for? Palin? AHAHAHAHAHA
Lookout
wrote:
He's decided what needs to be done first. That's his call. And as I
said if he had worked on Afghanistan first you would have whined that
he was ignoring the economy. You were going to whine about something.
That's what you do best, whiner.
Lookout
wrote:
You are unaware the federal funds are used in law enforcement? Really?
tankfixer
mrLo...@yahoo.com says...
Anyone one I want..
So I have a choice.
And you lied,
Again
tankfixer
mrLo...@yahoo.com says...
So now that he has wasted all that time doing nothing for either of
those issues....
tankfixer
government benifits..
That should cut down on the waste
tankfixer
mrLo...@yahoo.com says...
It is not a function the framers of the constitution envisioned for the
federal government.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
ya02408000R13...@news.datemas.de>,
You're evading the conversation by misdirection. Which of the long list
of federal services are you willing to cut by 50%? And if not all which
services would you shift the reduction to?
--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2012 Run, Sarah, Run! 2012
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan
There we agree. A majority (I believe) of those funds for "law
enforcement" go toward the nutty federal anti-drug campaign, certainly
extraConstitutional. Some does go to actual public safety, and is quite
effective, as it has been shown that boots on the ground is the most
effective public safety crime reduction strategy ("public Welfare").
Dan
Lookout
wrote:
Oh..see I thought you were smart and you'd vote for the best
candidate. Ok..so you do have a choice if you want to choose the
loser. I guess I gave you more credit than I should have. I over
estimated you.
Lookout
wrote:
He hasn't wasted time at all.
Wrong again.
Lookout
wrote:
One problem I see is who pays for it? Do you have any idea who much
that would cost? And you can't charge someone who doesn't have any
money to begin with. But I do agree with the concept...just that
implementing it is unworkable.
Lookout
wrote:
That's true. That's why the created the Constitution as a living
document..one that can change over the years as the country changed.
Lookout
And Clinton put lots of boots on the ground and they were taken back
when the republicans took over the White House. I remember the stories
in the paper of cut back in local police because of a loss of federal
funding under bush.
RD (The Sandman)
news:8asdg5h5mv7j4i328...@4ax.com:
Then you should also remember that Bush didn't remove the funds, Congress
simply didn't extend Clinton's program. Clinton only funded the program
for a few years. It was assumed that after that, the local police
departments would have adjusted to keep that additional headcount.
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
RD (The Sandman)
news:s5sdg5lcm4g3ji89f...@4ax.com:
The same people who are paying for the benefit. Duhhhh. It becomes a
choice of which is cheaper....a test or benefits for someone who
shouldn't have them.
Do you have any idea who much
> that would cost? And you can't charge someone who doesn't have any
> money to begin with.
They aren't paying for the benefit either. The monies would have to come
from the same source.
> But I do agree with the concept...just that
> implementing it is unworkable.
No, it isn't.
RD (The Sandman)
news:f8sdg5dh9ol7tt0nj...@4ax.com:
Yep....it has an amendment process. However, that has only been done 17
times since 1791. It is not an easy process but that is how the
Constitution is supposed to be a living document. Not crap like
stretching the shit out of the Commerce Clause, for example.
Dan
Dan
Lookout
Nope..it's more than "Duhhh"
> Do you have any idea who much
>> that would cost? And you can't charge someone who doesn't have any
>> money to begin with.
>
>They aren't paying for the benefit either. The monies would have to come
>from the same source.
>
>> But I do agree with the concept...just that
>> implementing it is unworkable.
>
>No, it isn't.
Yes it is. The idea has been floated many times. If you read the news
papers you'd know that. They can't get it passed because no one will
pay for the test. SSI won't pay because they don't have the funds.
You need to read more and post less. I've seen several articles in USA
today over the past 5 years and I know during the Clinton
administration when they were clearing the deadbeats off it was
discussed many times.
Lookout
Thanks for acknowledging that I'm right. You're learning.
Lookout
No it was no assumed at all. These were federal funds and no local
municipality had any ideas otherwise. Bush and the republican Congress
stopped the funds. That's the fact.
Lookout
That bush and the republican Congress didn't continue the funds? Yes,
that's exactly what happened.
That the local municipalities would pick up the cost later? No, that
never was assumed by anyone.
tankfixer
mrLo...@yahoo.com says...
I would be voting for the best candidate, in my opinion
tankfixer
tankfixer
CurlySu...@live.com says...
You created the straw whore, you feed it
tankfixer
tankfixer
mrLo...@yahoo.com says...
So ammend it as laid out in the constitution and stop creating new
entitlements that the framers never intended