Coretta Scott King's Cynical Collectivist Gunbanning Politics
Melissa
to push for further gunbanning and victim disarmament in this country, which
also removes the right to self defense from a lot of black people.
I personally see her comments as not only being anti-liberty in general but
anti-black peoples' liberty in particular. Slaves don't have the RTKBA, only
free people do!
She reminds me of the liberal pacifist Jews who advocate disarming everyone,
contrary to their own experience and history.
It's sad, it really is. I'm with the late Malcolm X:
"It is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the
constant victim of brutal attacks. It is legal and lawful to own a
shotgun or a rifle. We believe in obeying the law." --- Malcolm X 1964-
03-12
"The right of the citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against
arbitrary government, one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears
remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible."
- Senator Hubert Humphrey
Without the means of enforcing them, against criminals, or even
against despotic government, there ARE NO "civil rights". - Me
"Men who deny individual rights cannot claim, defend or uphold any rights
whatsoever. ... The liberals are guilty of the same contradiction, but in a
different form. They advocate the sacrifice of all individual rights to
unlimited majority rule - yet posture as defenders of the rights of
minorities. But the smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who
deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn
Rand
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Melissa
<3a648cb...@news.potlnd1.or.home.com>:
>Meli...@Xdimensional.com (Melissa) wrote:
>
>>It really fried me today, to hear that Coretta Scott King was using MLK
>>day to push for further gunbanning and victim disarmament in this
>>country, which also removes the right to self defense from a lot of black
>>people.
>
>From the news:
>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010115/us/king_day_rdp_1.html
>
>"She called on King's followers to ``get involved in helping to build
>the beloved community of his dream'' by supporting affirmative action
>and gun control, opposing the death penalty and racial profiling,
>living a nonviolent life and urging Congress to pay off the debts of
>African nations."
Why should we pay off the debts of African nations?!
>Cheap political tap dancing on her husband's grave.
Very. Sounds like we should refer to her as "comrade".
NiteOwl17
>the beloved community of his dream'' by supporting affirmative action
>and gun control, opposing the death penalty and racial profiling,
>living a nonviolent life and urging Congress to pay off the debts of
>African nations."
I'm not interested in being a taxpayer to *any* other country besides the US.
Mrs. King has no business suggesting it.
If Mrs. King is concerned about Africa, perhaps she, along with Sharpton,
Jackson and the NAACP should step up to the plate and write their own million
dollar checks, then encourage their followers to donate what they can to help
too.
Scott
NRA~Endowment, GOA~Life, SAF, MCRGO
Peter H. Proctor
wrote:
>It really fried me today, to hear that Coretta Scott King was using MLK day
>to push for further gunbanning and victim disarmament in this country, which
>also removes the right to self defense from a lot of black people.
This is just a rehash of old "White Man's burden" arguements.
This is that everyone else has an obligation to give up their firearms
so that blacks don't kill each other with them. Evidentlly, Ms King
and the rest of the black "Leadership" beieve that African-Americans
are morally inferior and thus they should be kept away from firearms.
Dr P
>
Matt Telles
"Ben L." <ne...@langN0SPAMlotz.com> wrote in message
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> Meli...@Xdimensional.com (Melissa) wrote:
>
> >It really fried me today, to hear that Coretta Scott King was using MLK
day
> >to push for further gunbanning and victim disarmament in this country,
which
> >also removes the right to self defense from a lot of black people.
>
> the beloved community of his dream'' by supporting affirmative action
> and gun control, opposing the death penalty and racial profiling,
> living a nonviolent life and urging Congress to pay off the debts of
> African nations."
>
The Gun Control Act of 1968 was a direct result of King and Bobby
Kennedy's assassinations. Whether you believe in gun control or not,
I don't think there's much tap dancing there.
>
> Does anyone have the full text of her speech?
Try CNN's site. I think they have the video too.
Matt
Randy Sweeney
Matt Telles wrote in message <940a5j$mb4$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>...
>The Gun Control Act of 1968 was a direct result of King and Bobby
>Kennedy's assassinations. Whether you believe in gun control or not,
>I don't think there's much tap dancing there.
LBJ proposed the GCA-68 in a speech in January of 1968. It was entered by
Dodd as senate bill 1.
Martin Luther King was killed in April. RFK was killed in June.
So obviously NEITHER of these murders are the causal reason GCA-68 was
written.
I suspect that the rise of armed militant black groups in the late 60's and
the threat of massive insurrection were the REAL reasons for the GCA-68.
There is also some cogent discussion that much of GCA-68 was written with
the support of the American firearms manufacturers in Connecticutt (Dodd's
home state) to reduce the importation of cheap foreign guns into the US
market.
Matt Telles
"Randy Sweeney" <rswe...@Home.com> wrote in message
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>
> Matt Telles wrote in message <940a5j$mb4$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
> >The Gun Control Act of 1968 was a direct result of King and Bobby
> >Kennedy's assassinations. Whether you believe in gun control or not,
> >I don't think there's much tap dancing there.
>
>
> LBJ proposed the GCA-68 in a speech in January of 1968. It was entered by
> Dodd as senate bill 1.
>
> Martin Luther King was killed in April. RFK was killed in June.
>
> So obviously NEITHER of these murders are the causal reason GCA-68 was
> written.
My apologies. I didn't mean the reason it was written, I meant the reason it
was passed.
>
>
> I suspect that the rise of armed militant black groups in the late 60's
and
> the threat of massive insurrection were the REAL reasons for the GCA-68.
>
> There is also some cogent discussion that much of GCA-68 was written with
> the support of the American firearms manufacturers in Connecticutt (Dodd's
> home state) to reduce the importation of cheap foreign guns into the US
> market.
Could be. I vaguely remember the arguments at the time, but I was pretty
young and not much into guns one way or the other.
Matt
>
>
>
>
>
Melissa
<TjO86.205735$j6.27...@news1.rdc1.va.home.com>:
>
>Matt Telles wrote in message <940a5j$mb4$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
>>The Gun Control Act of 1968 was a direct result of King and Bobby
>>Kennedy's assassinations. Whether you believe in gun control or not,
>>I don't think there's much tap dancing there.
>
>
>LBJ proposed the GCA-68 in a speech in January of 1968. It was entered by
>Dodd as senate bill 1.
>
>Martin Luther King was killed in April. RFK was killed in June.
>
>So obviously NEITHER of these murders are the causal reason GCA-68 was
>written.
>
>
>I suspect that the rise of armed militant black groups in the late 60's and
>the threat of massive insurrection were the REAL reasons for the GCA-68.
Interesting, like the Brits used theirs for fear of the Communists. Anytime
you want to control or oppress someone, or make them your victim, just disarm
them.
>There is also some cogent discussion that much of GCA-68 was written with
>the support of the American firearms manufacturers in Connecticutt (Dodd's
>home state) to reduce the importation of cheap foreign guns into the US
>market.
Also interesting, if true.
Scott Weiser
wrote:
The really amusing thing is that most of the "gun control" cases the
SCOTUS has ruled on...at least the older ones, were all cases about
controlling guns in the hands of *blacks.* The folks down south did
just about everything to keep blacks from arming themselves, for
rather obvious reasons...armed blacks are *dangerous* to white slavers
and oppressors.
You'd think that if *anyone* would be adamant about *rejecting* gun
control and supporting the right to be armed, it would be the
leadership of the black communities...them and the Indians.
To see blacks advocating gun control just proves how quickly people
forget where they came from.
Ms. King should take a page from the Black Panthers, who did the
*smart* thing in the 60's and put together armed groups who patrolled
the Berkley area with shotguns and AR-15's. Scared the living piss
out of the Berkely PD and the CHP...not to mention the Governor...but
there wasn't a damned thing they could do about it.
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reyjay
wrote:
>Meli...@Xdimensional.com (Melissa) wrote:
>
>>It really fried me today, to hear that Coretta Scott King was using MLK day
>>to push for further gunbanning and victim disarmament in this country, which
>>also removes the right to self defense from a lot of black people.
>
>From the news:
>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010115/us/king_day_rdp_1.html
>
>"She called on King's followers to ``get involved in helping to build
>the beloved community of his dream'' by supporting affirmative action
>and gun control, opposing the death penalty and racial profiling,
>living a nonviolent life and urging Congress to pay off the debts of
>African nations."
>
When these were the farthest things possible from MLK's teachings.
>Cheap political tap dancing on her husband's grave.
>
Peter H. Proctor
>From: wei...@private.altnews.com (Scott Weiser)
>Subject: Re: Coretta Scott King's Cynical Collectivist Gunbanning Politics
>Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:53:26 GMT
>You'd think that if *anyone* would be adamant about *rejecting* gun
>control and supporting the right to be armed, it would be the
>leadership of the black communities...them and the Indians.
The "leadership" may prefer that all those pesky uppity negroes don't have
firearms....
>To see blacks advocating gun control just proves how quickly people
>forget where they came from.
Perhaps they didn't forget. Maybe one price for being recognized
as a "black leader" by some white folks is to disarm black people. Naa,
that is too paranoid..
>Ms. King should take a page from the Black Panthers, who did the
>*smart* thing in the 60's and put together armed groups who patrolled
>the Berkley area with shotguns and AR-15's. Scared the living piss
>out of the Berkely PD and the CHP...not to mention the Governor...but
>there wasn't a damned thing they could do about it.
Except to pass more laws with the goal of disarming uppity black people...
Dr P
Stealthy
<8547530BDAE20F70.46D74B05...@lp.airnews.net>,
ppro...@proctorgamble.com (Peter H. Proctor) wrote:
> In article <3aa4eea7....@news.dimensional.com>
wei...@private.altnews.com (Scott Weiser) writes:
> >From: wei...@private.altnews.com (Scott Weiser)
> >Subject: Re: Coretta Scott King's Cynical Collectivist Gunbanning
Politics
> >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:53:26 GMT
>
> >You'd think that if *anyone* would be adamant about *rejecting* gun
> >control and supporting the right to be armed, it would be the
> >leadership of the black communities...them and the Indians.
>
> The "leadership" may prefer that all those pesky uppity negroes don't
have
> firearms....
>
> >To see blacks advocating gun control just proves how quickly people
> >forget where they came from.
>
> Perhaps they didn't forget. Maybe one price for being recognized
> as a "black leader" by some white folks is to disarm black people.
> Naa, that is too paranoid..
'Fraid so, Doc. It can easily be explained by the "enemy of my enemy
is my friend" principle.
Who are the people who consistently join these 'leaders' in their
denunciation of racism and racist policies? Why, those
dratted "libbruls"(except, of course, as it applies to the War on
(Some) Drugs). Including the victim-disarmament krewe, like Chucky and
the FeinSwine. Those "leaders" therefore support those who support
them.
>
> >Ms. King should take a page from the Black Panthers, who did the
> >*smart* thing in the 60's and put together armed groups who patrolled
> >the Berkley area with shotguns and AR-15's. Scared the living piss
> >out of the Berkely PD and the CHP...not to mention the Governor...but
> >there wasn't a damned thing they could do about it.
>
> Except to pass more laws with the goal of disarming uppity black
people...
Gun Control Act of '68, anyone?
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Meli...@Xdimensional.com (Melissa) wrote:
> It really fried me today, to hear that Coretta Scott King was using MLK day
> to push for further gunbanning and victim disarmament in this country, which > also removes the right to self defense from a lot of black people.
>
> I personally see her comments as not only being anti-liberty in general but
> anti-black peoples' liberty in particular. Slaves don't have the RTKBA, only
> free people do!
>
> She reminds me of the liberal pacifist Jews who advocate disarming everyone,
> contrary to their own experience and history.
>
> It's sad, it really is. I'm with the late Malcolm X:
>
> "It is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the
> constant victim of brutal attacks. It is legal and lawful to own a
> shotgun or a rifle. We believe in obeying the law." --- Malcolm X 1964-
> 03-12
>
'sigh'... Another beautiful quote from the great one(I'm his biggest fan)
Too bad he isn't with us no more(...damn feds)
One often wonders why he does'nt have his "own" holiday to celebrate.
Btw,I'm pro-gun. I own a Colt Defender.
> "The right of the citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against
> arbitrary government, one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears
> remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible."
> - Senator Hubert Humphrey
>
> Without the means of enforcing them, against criminals, or even
> against despotic government, there ARE NO "civil rights". - Me
>
> "Men who deny individual rights cannot claim, defend or uphold any rights
> whatsoever. ... The liberals are guilty of the same contradiction, but in a
> different form. They advocate the sacrifice of all individual rights to
> unlimited majority rule - yet posture as defenders of the rights of
> minorities. But the smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who
> deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn
> Rand
>
> --
>
> - Melissa
> "A Bill Of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government
> on
> earth, general or particular, and what no just government should refuse, or
> rest on
> inference." -Thomas Jefferson http://www.UPAlliance.org/
>
> To email me, remove the spam spoofing capital letters on each side of the @
Randy Sweeney
Matt Telles wrote in message <940dog$2cp$1...@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>...
>
>"Randy Sweeney" <rswe...@Home.com> wrote in message
>news:TjO86.205735$j6.27...@news1.rdc1.va.home.com...
>>
>> Matt Telles wrote in message <940a5j$mb4$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>...
>>
>> >The Gun Control Act of 1968 was a direct result of King and Bobby
>> >Kennedy's assassinations. Whether you believe in gun control or not,
>> >I don't think there's much tap dancing there.
>>
>>
>> LBJ proposed the GCA-68 in a speech in January of 1968. It was entered by
>> Dodd as senate bill 1.
>>
>> Martin Luther King was killed in April. RFK was killed in June.
>>
>> So obviously NEITHER of these murders are the causal reason GCA-68 was
>> written.
>
>My apologies. I didn't mean the reason it was written, I meant the reason
it
>was passed.
Bad times typically lead to bad laws.
LadySycamore
Kennedy's assassinations. Whether you believe in gun control or not,
I don't think there's much tap dancing there.}
I was about to say, considering her husband was shot, I don't see what
the problem is for her to discuss gun control. Just IMO folks...remember
that.
Melissa
<3aa4eea7....@news.dimensional.com>:
...
>The really amusing thing is that most of the "gun control" cases the
>SCOTUS has ruled on...at least the older ones, were all cases about
>controlling guns in the hands of *blacks.* The folks down south did
>just about everything to keep blacks from arming themselves, for
>rather obvious reasons...armed blacks are *dangerous* to white slavers
>and oppressors.
Yes, it's harder to oppress, rob, rape and loot armed folks.
>You'd think that if *anyone* would be adamant about *rejecting* gun
>control and supporting the right to be armed, it would be the
>leadership of the black communities...them and the Indians.
And the Jews, which shock me most of all, after the Warsaw ghetto & all.
Those not learning from history being doomed to repeat it?
>To see blacks advocating gun control just proves how quickly people
>forget where they came from.
Sadly, they're not alone.
>Ms. King should take a page from the Black Panthers, who did the
>*smart* thing in the 60's and put together armed groups who patrolled
>the Berkley area with shotguns and AR-15's. Scared the living piss
>out of the Berkely PD and the CHP...not to mention the Governor...but
>there wasn't a damned thing they could do about it.
Those darned embarrassing rights really get in the way of those tyrants and
criminals.
--
- Melissa
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government on earth, general or particular, and what no just
government should refuse, or rest on inference." -Thomas Jefferson
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Melissa
>In article <%nL86.1186$5s2....@wormhole.dimensional.com>,
> Meli...@Xdimensional.com (Melissa) wrote:
>> It really fried me today, to hear that Coretta Scott King was using MLK
>> day to push for further gunbanning and victim disarmament in this
>> country, which > also removes the right to self defense from a lot of
>> black people.
>>
>> I personally see her comments as not only being anti-liberty in general
>> but anti-black peoples' liberty in particular. Slaves don't have the
>> RTKBA, only free people do!
>>
>> She reminds me of the liberal pacifist Jews who advocate disarming
>> everyone, contrary to their own experience and history.
>>
>> It's sad, it really is. I'm with the late Malcolm X:
>>
>> "It is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the
>> constant victim of brutal attacks. It is legal and lawful to own a
>> shotgun or a rifle. We believe in obeying the law." --- Malcolm X 1964-
>> 03-12
>>
>
> 'sigh'... Another beautiful quote from the great one(I'm his biggest
> fan)
>Too bad he isn't with us no more(...damn feds)
>One often wonders why he does'nt have his "own" holiday to celebrate.
I didn't used to understand him ( I was pretty young and uninformed in the
60's ) , until I saw the documentary movie. But now if anyone would like to
delete the MLK holiday and replace it with an X holiday, it's fine with me.
Socialist pacifist sheep really turn me off.
>Btw,I'm pro-gun. I own a Colt Defender.
Good for you. Enjoy it while you can, if the liberals have any more of their
way. ( I'm not a conservative btw, but a libertarian. I favor the repeal of
all gun laws. There isn't a single one that can't be covered by other laws
against criminal activity, without infringing the RTKBA. All they do is
oppress the good people. )
>> "The right of the citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee
>> against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against a tyranny which
>> now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be
>> always possible." - Senator Hubert Humphrey
>>
>> Without the means of enforcing them, against criminals, or even
>> against despotic government, there ARE NO "civil rights". - Me
>>
>> "Men who deny individual rights cannot claim, defend or uphold any
>> rights whatsoever. ... The liberals are guilty of the same
>> contradiction, but in a different form. They advocate the sacrifice of
>> all individual rights to unlimited majority rule - yet posture as
>> defenders of the rights of minorities. But the smallest minority on
>> earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim
>> to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand
--
- Melissa
"A Bill Of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every
government on earth, general or particular, and what no just
government should refuse, or rest on inference." -Thomas Jefferson
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Randy Sweeney
Melissa wrote in message ...
>And the Jews, which shock me most of all, after the Warsaw ghetto & all.
>Those not learning from history being doomed to repeat it?
>
>>To see blacks advocating gun control just proves how quickly people
>>forget where they came from.
>
>Sadly, they're not alone.
Proper victimhood requires submission... guns stand in the way of submission
and are thus improper.
Only through self-hate can nirvana be achieved... ask Woody Allen.
Melissa
<3A64FA33...@mindspring.com>:
Oh? Well I have a problem with blaming good people for what bad people do.
If my father was lynched by a small group of Christians, would it be ok for
me to start and further a campaign to ban Christianity? Same thing.
--
- Melissa
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government on earth, general or particular, and what no just
government should refuse, or rest on inference." -Thomas Jefferson
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Glenworthy@xteleport.com Henry Glenworthy
[snip]
> Bad times typically lead to bad laws.
>>>>
Is the corollary to that:
Good times typically lead to an endless stream
of Executive orders?
===
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When they do nothing, they don't hurt anybody. When
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Randy Sweeney
Henry Glenworthy > wrote in message ...
>"Randy Sweeney" <rswe...@Home.com> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Bad times typically lead to bad laws.
>
>>>>>
>
>Is the corollary to that:
>
>Good times typically lead to an endless stream
>of Executive orders?
Hey... who says you HAVE to wait until bad times to make bad laws by
executive fiat?
d'ge...@d'geezer.net
If her husband was the only victim of racist attack you might have an argument.
Disarming a population that has proven historically to be a higher risk than the
majority suggests some hippocracy, don't you think?
In fact, given that he was shot, that might even suggest strongly what I just
said. If blacks are going to be shot at is it not fair that they get to shoot back
at an attacker?
Be fair now, why don't you, instead of making assumptions limited to and by your
own prejudices.
d'geezer
"Wherever is found what is called a paternal government,
there is found state education. It has been discovered
that the best way to insure implicit obedience is to
commence tyranny in the nursery." -- Benjamin Disraeli
LadySycamore
do.
If my father was lynched by a small group of Christians, would it be ok
for
me to start and further a campaign to ban Christianity? Same thing."
Hey, last time I checked, it's a free country, and the First Amendment
applied to everyone. If YOU choose to conduct such an act, and you were
not afraid of what people would think of you, then go for it. No one is
REALLY stopping you from doing so. Just IMO.