Attorney General Holder Should Resign, U.S. Senator Hatch Says

[JohnJohnsn]

Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM

Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to call
for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as lawmakers step
up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal gun
investigation and leaks of classified information.

Hatch, who said Holder “ought to retire” during a radio interview
today on the “Mike Huckabee Show,” is the second Republican on the
Senate Judiciary Committee to say Holder should step aside. John
Cornyn of Texas did so as Holder testified before the panel yesterday.

“He’s basically a nice man, but, by gosh, he’s been so partisan in
that job that I’m very concerned about him and tend to support Senator
Cornyn and others who think he ought to retire,” Hatch said, according
to a transcript from the syndicated radio program provided by his
office.

Holder told lawmakers yesterday that he acted appropriately and
doesn’t have “any intention of resigning.”

Dozens of House Republicans have called for Holder to quit and 115
have signed a “no-confidence” resolution.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/holder-hatch-resignation/2012/06/13/id/442257

[Eddie Haskell]

"JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c2637d00-29d2-435b...@m24g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

Resign hell. Tried for treason and given the electric chair right along with
Hussein.

-Eddie Haskell

[Phlip]

On Jun 14, 9:25 am, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM
>
> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to call
> for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as lawmakers step
> up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal gun
> investigation and leaks of classified information.

They are pissed he's investigating Scott Walker's corruption in WI,
and Rick Scott's unconstitutional voter purge in FL.

It's just payback, & interference.

[Eddie Haskell]

"Phlip" <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:40844577-c018-477b...@u1g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

Where is it written that you have to side with Holder and his blatant
corruption just because he's a fellow nigger?

-Eddie Haskell

[Gray Guest]

Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:40844577-c018-477b-9004-
3fa56d...@u1g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:

> On Jun 14, 9:25 am, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM
>>
>> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to call
>> for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as lawmakers step
>> up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal gun
>> investigation and leaks of classified information.
>
> They are pissed he's investigating Scott Walker's corruption in WI,

Odd I'd not heard that Walker was corrupt before. Be specific.

> and Rick Scott's unconstitutional voter purge in FL.

Removing people ineleigible to vote is unconstitutional? Really? How many
people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons given? Were
they true?

> It's just payback, & interference.
>

--
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to
be sure.

What I like about this attitude is it works equally well for Iran and the
Democrat National Covention.

http://nukeitfromorbit.com/

[Eddie Haskell]

"Gray Guest" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA072ACF36673CWe...@88.198.244.100...

> Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:40844577-c018-477b-9004-
> 3fa56d...@u1g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Jun 14, 9:25 am, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM
>>>
>>> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to call
>>> for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as lawmakers step
>>> up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal gun
>>> investigation and leaks of classified information.
>>
>> They are pissed he's investigating Scott Walker's corruption in WI,
>
> Odd I'd not heard that Walker was corrupt before. Be specific.
>
>> and Rick Scott's unconstitutional voter purge in FL.
>
> Removing people ineleigible to vote is unconstitutional? Really? How many
> people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons given?
> Were
> they true?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFEY9RIRJA

-Eddie Haskell

[Gray Guest]

"Eddie Haskell" <yy...@ssspp.com> wrote in news:9KsCr.205883$YI4.50070
@unlimited.newshosting.com:

Aw, can't answer the question? What a shock!

Whydoncha change yer diaper.

[3026 Dead]

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:00:03 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:

> Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:40844577-c018-477b-9004-
> 3fa56d...@u1g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Jun 14, 9:25 am, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM
>>>
>>> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to call
>>> for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as lawmakers step
>>> up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal gun
>>> investigation and leaks of classified information.
>>
>> They are pissed he's investigating Scott Walker's corruption in WI,
>
> Odd I'd not heard that Walker was corrupt before. Be specific.
>
>> and Rick Scott's unconstitutional voter purge in FL.
>
> Removing people ineleigible to vote is unconstitutional? Really? How
> many people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons
> given? Were they true?

Gotta show they're ineligible and THEN remove them, bubbles.

[Gray Guest]

3026 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jrdp9k$c4s$4...@dont-email.me:

Since you didn't understand the question, buttercup, let me say again:

How many people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons
given? Were they true?

You may feel that the right to vote is a gift, but it's not.

>
>>
>>> It's just payback, & interference.
>>>
>
>

[3026 Dead]

On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 04:04:37 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:

> 3026 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jrdp9k$c4s$4...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:00:03 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:
>>
>>> Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:40844577-c018-477b-9004-
>>> 3fa56d...@u1g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> On Jun 14, 9:25 am, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to
>>>>> call for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as
>>>>> lawmakers step up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal
>>>>> gun investigation and leaks of classified information.
>>>>
>>>> They are pissed he's investigating Scott Walker's corruption in WI,
>>>
>>> Odd I'd not heard that Walker was corrupt before. Be specific.
>>>
>>>> and Rick Scott's unconstitutional voter purge in FL.
>>>
>>> Removing people ineleigible to vote is unconstitutional? Really? How
>>> many people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons
>>> given? Were they true?
>>
>> Gotta show they're ineligible and THEN remove them, bubbles.
>
> Since you didn't understand the question, buttercup, let me say again:
>
> How many people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons
> given? Were they true?

Up to 180,000 people. At least 3,500 of which have actually been
notified. Over 357 have subsequently shown that they were, in fact,
citizens (one was a multiple medal winner from WW2). Scott claims 50 non-
citizens were found on the rolls, but provides no specifics, and admits
none of them actually voted.

[3026 Dead]

On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 04:04:37 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:

> 3026 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jrdp9k$c4s$4...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:00:03 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:
>>
>>> Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:40844577-c018-477b-9004-
>>> 3fa56d...@u1g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> On Jun 14, 9:25 am, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to
>>>>> call for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as
>>>>> lawmakers step up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal
>>>>> gun investigation and leaks of classified information.
>>>>
>>>> They are pissed he's investigating Scott Walker's corruption in WI,
>>>
>>> Odd I'd not heard that Walker was corrupt before. Be specific.
>>>
>>>> and Rick Scott's unconstitutional voter purge in FL.
>>>
>>> Removing people ineleigible to vote is unconstitutional? Really? How
>>> many people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons
>>> given? Were they true?
>>
>> Gotta show they're ineligible and THEN remove them, bubbles.
>
> Since you didn't understand the question, buttercup, let me say again:
>
> How many people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons
> given? Were they true?

Up to 180,000 people. At least 3,500 of which have actually been
notified. Over 357 have subsequently shown that they were, in fact,
citizens (one was a multiple medal winner from WW2). Scott claims 50 non-
citizens were found on the rolls, but provides no specifics, and admits
none of them actually voted.
>

[Gray Guest]

3026 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jredmg$ep3$3...@dont-email.me:

Funny, that's not what I read.

Could it be you're a lying sack of shit?

[pyotr filipivich]

Let the Record show that Gray Guest <No_email...@wahoo.com> on or
about Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:00:03 +0000 (UTC) did write, type or
otherwise cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:

>Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:40844577-c018-477b-9004-
>3fa56d...@u1g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Jun 14, 9:25 am, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM
>>>
>>> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to call
>>> for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as lawmakers step
>>> up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal gun
>>> investigation and leaks of classified information.
>>
>> They are pissed he's investigating Scott Walker's corruption in WI,
>
>Odd I'd not heard that Walker was corrupt before. Be specific.
>
>> and Rick Scott's unconstitutional voter purge in FL.
>
>Removing people ineleigible to vote is unconstitutional? Really? How many
>people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons given? Were
>they true?
>
>> It's just payback, & interference.

Any time a Democrat loses, they just know it had to be a result of
Fraud.

And removing ineligible persons from the voting rolls - well that
is just disenfranchising Democrat voters, racists pure and simple.

The fact the Eric Holder's actual job for is protect Obama and the
rest's phony baloney jobs is usually over looked by the Democrat
flacks of the press corps.
>>
--
pyotr filipivich
Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.

[JohnJohnsn]

On Jun 14, 11:59 pm, Gray Guest <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> 3026 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in news:jredmg$ep3$3...@dont-email.me:

>
>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 04:04:37 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:
>

>>> 3026 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote innews:jrdp9k$c4s$4...@dont-email.me:

>
>>>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:00:03 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:
>

>>>>> Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote in news:40844577-c018-477b-9004-
>>>>> 3fa56d091...@u1g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:

>
>>>>>> On Jun 14, 9:25 am, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM
>
>>>>>>> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to
>>>>>>> call for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as
>>>>>>> lawmakers step up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal
>>>>>>> gun investigation and leaks of classified information.
>
>>>>>> They are pissed he's investigating Scott Walker's corruption in WI,
>
>>>>> Odd I'd not heard that Walker was corrupt before. Be specific.
>
>>>>>> and Rick Scott's unconstitutional voter purge in FL.
>
>>>>> Removing people ineleigible to vote is unconstitutional? Really? How
>>>>> many people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons
>>>>> given? Were they true?
>
>>>> Gotta show they're ineligible and THEN remove them, bubbles.
>
>>> Since you didn't understand the question, buttercup, let me say again:
>
>>> How many people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons
>>> given? Were they true?
>
>> Up to 180,000 people. At least 3,500 of which have actually been notified.
>

Why do you lie so much when your lie can be exposed so easily, Zeppo?

"Florida has asked county election officials to remove up to 2,600
voters who may be registered illegally."
...
"Using driver’s license data, the state compiled a list of 182,000
voters who it said might not be citizens. It winnowed that list to
2,600 and asked county supervisors to contact each person on it. Those
who could not prove their citizenship within 90 days would be removed
from the voter rolls."
--New York Times. June 12, 2012

>
>> Over 357 have subsequently shown that they were, in fact,
>> citizens (one was a multiple medal winner from WW2).
>

Since non-U.S. citizens could; and still can; serve in the U.S.
military, that proves nothing WRT his U.S. citizenship. Zeppo.
>
>> Scott claims 50 non-citizens were found on the rolls, but provides

>> no specifics, and admits none of them actually voted.
>

No votes cast = no harm removing them from the rolls.

Quod erat demonstrandum

>
>>> You may feel that the right to vote is a gift, but it's not.
>
>>>>>> It's just payback, & interference.
>
> Funny, that's not what I read.
>

See the above New York Times article wherein it is revealed that
suspected illegal voter registrants are sent a letter requesting proof
of U.S. citizenship and given 90 days to respond; after which they are
removed from the rolls.

>
> Could it be you're a lying sack of shit?
>

Well, since "3026 Dead"<http://tinyurl.com/Lunatic-Weasel> is Canadian
Expat David Bryan "Zeppo, the Genuine Left-Wing Liberal Lunatic Lyin'
Socialist Weasel" Jamieson; and since Zeppo is a known and proven
liar ......

[Steve]

On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 04:29:50 +0000 (UTC), 3026 Dead <de...@gone.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 04:04:37 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:
>
>> 3026 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jrdp9k$c4s$4...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:00:03 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:
>>>
>>>> Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:40844577-c018-477b-9004-
>>>> 3fa56d...@u1g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 14, 9:25�am, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to

>>>>>> call for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder?s resignation as

>>>>>> lawmakers step up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal
>>>>>> gun investigation and leaks of classified information.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are pissed he's investigating Scott Walker's corruption in WI,
>>>>
>>>> Odd I'd not heard that Walker was corrupt before. Be specific.
>>>>
>>>>> and Rick Scott's unconstitutional voter purge in FL.
>>>>
>>>> Removing people ineleigible to vote is unconstitutional? Really? How
>>>> many people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons
>>>> given? Were they true?
>>>
>>> Gotta show they're ineligible and THEN remove them, bubbles.
>>
>> Since you didn't understand the question, buttercup, let me say again:
>>
>> How many people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons
>> given? Were they true?
>
>Up to 180,000 people. At least 3,500 of which have actually been
>notified. Over 357 have subsequently shown that they were, in fact,
>citizens (one was a multiple medal winner from WW2). Scott claims 50 non-
>citizens were found on the rolls, but provides no specifics, and admits
>none of them actually voted.

...but broke the law by registering...

[de...@dudu.org]

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:25:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnJohnsn
<TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM
>
>Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator

Hatch is nothing but a cocksucking Mormon. You want to see how the
country is to be run if Romney wins, just take a look at Hatch and his
Utah.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>de...@dudu.org wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:25:20 -0700 (PDT), JohnJohnsn
><TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM
>>
>>Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator
>
>Hatch is nothing but a cocksucking Mormon.

____
"Mormons only care about their church. I know the Mormons. I learned
long ago "know your enemy". The
Mormons are our enemy."
- Deep Dudu, bigot
10/23/2011

"<yawn> Whatever. As long as someone kills all the Jews first."
6/2/2011

"The Jews are the only people in the world that have institutionalized
cheating and robbing anyone who is not Jewish."
6/2/2011

" Mormons lie worse than Jews."
1/9/2012

"I admit my error here. Nobody lies worse than Jews. Mormons are a
close second though."
1/24/2012

"Are you fucking kidding? Of course the nigger is lying."
-Deep Dudu
Message-ID: <pcqlb7pv0j8bt8dgk...@4ax.com>

"Our planet is nothing but a used up wasteland any more because of
white and Jewish greed."
- Mon, 21 May 2012

[Gray Guest]

JohnJohnsn <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:80414ed4-a70d-4dcb-871d-
ba450d...@l32g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:

Shocking!

[Phlip]

> "Florida has asked county election officials to remove up to 2,600
> voters who may be registered illegally."
> ...
> "Using driver’s license data,

Which contains your description, for when cops spot-check you.
Including your skin color.

> the state compiled a list of 182,000
> voters who it said might not be citizens. It winnowed that list to
> 2,600 and asked county supervisors to contact each person on it. Those
> who could not prove their citizenship within 90 days would be removed
> from the voter rolls."
> --New York Times. June 12, 2012

And 87% of the people declared guilty until they proved their
innocence just happened to be black.

Just a coincidence, right?

[Gray Guest]

Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:11ea1e4e-2d44-4ac5-9729-
a10132...@oe8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:

Irrelevent. Like you.

[Eddie Haskell]

"Gray Guest" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message

news:XnsA073A1E0904DWe...@88.198.244.100...

> 3026 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jredmg$ep3$3...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 04:04:37 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:
>>
>>> 3026 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jrdp9k$c4s$4...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:00:03 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:40844577-c018-477b-9004-
>>>>> 3fa56d...@u1g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 14, 9:25Â am, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to

>>>>>>> call for U.S. Attorney General Eric HolderÂ’s resignation as

>>>>>>> lawmakers step up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal
>>>>>>> gun investigation and leaks of classified information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are pissed he's investigating Scott Walker's corruption in WI,
>>>>>
>>>>> Odd I'd not heard that Walker was corrupt before. Be specific.
>>>>>
>>>>>> and Rick Scott's unconstitutional voter purge in FL.
>>>>>
>>>>> Removing people ineleigible to vote is unconstitutional? Really? How
>>>>> many people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons
>>>>> given? Were they true?
>>>>
>>>> Gotta show they're ineligible and THEN remove them, bubbles.
>>>
>>> Since you didn't understand the question, buttercup, let me say again:
>>>
>>> How many people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons
>>> given? Were they true?
>>
>> Up to 180,000 people. At least 3,500 of which have actually been
>> notified. Over 357 have subsequently shown that they were, in fact,
>> citizens (one was a multiple medal winner from WW2). Scott claims 50
> non-
>> citizens were found on the rolls, but provides no specifics, and admits
>> none of them actually voted.
>>>
>>> You may feel that the right to vote is a gift, but it's not.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> It's just payback, & interference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
> Funny, that's not what I read.
>
> Could it be you're a lying sack of shit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIotIGFN2oc

-Eddie Haskell

[Eddie Haskell]

"JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:80414ed4-a70d-4dcb...@l32g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...

Oh my god no! How's a democrat to get elected!? Call Eric Holder!!

HAAAA!!!

-Eddie Haskell

[Eddie Haskell]

"Phlip" <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:11ea1e4e-2d44-4ac5...@oe8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

That's because Negroes are far more likely to be criminals and liars. You're
proof of that.

> Just a coincidence, right?

No, not at all. Negroes are far more likely to be cheats and criminals.
Simple as that. Anymore fucking questions, third-world ape boy?

-Eddie Haskell

[Eddie Haskell]

"Steve" <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote in message
news:nj3mt71duupb873m9...@4ax.com...

Yeah, but they vote democrat so fuck the law.

Next, the right for felons to vote because criminals vote democrat.

Democrats oppose fair and honest elections because they know they benefit
from voter fraud and everybody knows it. There's nothing to be debated or
argued about. Just smack them down and when they bitch tell them to go fuck
themselves. That's the way it's to be handled. No debate. No discussion.
Just "fuck you."

-Eddie Haskell

[Eddie Haskell]

"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:m8hlt71at8p80ga4v...@4ax.com...

And we all remember when Algore tried to get the military vote thrown out
when he tried to steal the election in 2000. The fuckers are corrupt as sin
and have no morals. That's why they need to be smacked down and told to
STFU. Get the fuck out of our way. We're going to preserve this country
whether you like it or fucking not. Sit down and STFU.

-Eddie Haskell

[Gray Guest]

"Eddie Haskell" <yy...@ssspp.com> wrote in

news:KhICr.273986$7n2....@unlimited.newshosting.com:

We offer Obama, Holder, Rangel and Jesse Jackson as prime examples.

[pyotr filipivich]

Let the Record show that "Eddie Haskell" <yy...@ssspp.com> on or about
Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:20:51 -0500 did write, type or otherwise cause to

Smacked down, and sent to trial. Perp walk.

Not for policy disagreements, no, but for the very real
malfeasance in office. The "abuse under color of law" (IRS audits
anyone? Homeland security defining those opposed to the Government,
concerned about taxes and dedicated to Constitutionality as "potential
terrorists"?), the miscarriage of justice (New Black Panther Party's
voter intimidation, Holder's demands that Florida keep ineligible
voters on the rolls). Fast and Furious - need I say more? Aside form
the fact that it constitutes a crime by (several) someone in a high
office.
That's before we get to the various tax evasions, DUI, bribery

There's enough crime done, that we don't even need to waste time
on political trials.

[pyotr filipivich]

Let the Record show that Klaus Schadenfreude
<klausscha...@yahoo.com> on or about Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:05:32
-0700 did write, type or otherwise cause to appear in
talk.politics.guns the following:

So, looks like Dudu will be voting for Romney to prove that she's
not a religious bigot. Just like she voted for Obama in 2008 to prove
she wasn't a racist.
There ain't nothing she can do to prove she's not an idiot. Change
her name and move to Cairo, possibly, but even that isn't certain.
--
pyotr filipivich
Obi-wan once observed"The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded."
Who knew Dubya was a Jedi Knight?

[Eddie Haskell]

"Gray Guest" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message

news:XnsA0737457C6D4EWe...@88.198.244.100...

BING-O.

Third-world ape shits if left to their own devises would turn the greatest
country in history into just another third-world bombed out shit hole, and
everybody with a semblance of a brain knows it.

-Eddie Haskell

[Eddie Haskell]

"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message

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No one said anything about political trials. Charge them with real offenses
and by the time we're through the electric chair would be too good for the
rotten, corrupt son-of-a-bitches.

-Eddie haskell

[SaPeIsMa]

"Phlip" <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Who was declared guilty ??
How do you know they were black ???

Funny how in Indianna and Georgia, black voter registration INCREASED when
they were required to provide photo id for elections

[Eddie Haskell]

"SaPeIsMa" <Sape...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jrftlp$561$1...@dont-email.me...

Oh, mah god!

A poll tax!

HAAA!!

-Eddie Haskell

[Scout]

"3026 Dead" <de...@gone.com> wrote in message
news:jredmg$ep3$3...@dont-email.me...

So let's see that works out to an error rate of about 0.2%

That's pretty damn good.

Meanwhile we have eliminated 179,643 possible chances for people to cast
fraudulent votes.

Also I tend to bet that those 357 were almost certainly among the 3,500 that
were notified

So again, I fail to see a real problem there.

[Eddie Haskell]

"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:jrg0ig$nhb$1...@dont-email.me...

It's that cleaning up voter fraud hurts democrat chances at election.

Thanks a bunch.

-Eddie Haskell

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

Dudu doesn't hide the fact that he's a racist- He revels in it. He
rolls in it like a dog in fresh shit, then trots off smiling.

Racisim and bigotry is ok with Dudu as long as he can use it to
further his desire for the installation of a ruling class which he
can- hopefully- play a small, insignificant roll.

[3026 Dead]

And a correct rate--if Scott is to be believed--of 0.014%

>
> That's pretty damn good.
>
> Meanwhile we have eliminated 179,643 possible chances for people to cast
> fraudulent votes.

Or any votes at all, which is kinda what the Republicans want.

It's election fraud, which is different from voter fraud. With voter
fraud, people vote illegally and is virtually non-existent. Election
fraud is the deliberate effort to interfere with people's right to vote,
and oddly enough, that doesn't seem to bother you, even though it's a far
more serious problem.

[Scout]

"3026 Dead" <de...@gone.com> wrote in message

news:jrg60q$hvl$2...@dont-email.me...

Ok, so it's even lower.

That makes it so much the better.

>> That's pretty damn good.
>>
>> Meanwhile we have eliminated 179,643 possible chances for people to cast
>> fraudulent votes.
>
> Or any votes at all, which is kinda what the Republicans want.

Sorry, but you just say the error rate was 0.014%, are you now claiming a
100% error rate?

> It's election fraud, which is different from voter fraud. With voter
> fraud, people vote illegally and is virtually non-existent.

Evidence would tend to suggest otherwise.

> Election
> fraud is the deliberate effort to interfere with people's right to vote,
> and oddly enough, that doesn't seem to bother you, even though it's a far
> more serious problem.

A 0.014% error rate that mistakenly takes off valid voters is a "serious
problem"?

Interesting.

[pyotr filipivich]

Let the Record show that Klaus Schadenfreude

<klausscha...@yahoo.com> on or about Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:39:04

Well she does seem to have the fawning minion down pat.

[Jeff Strickland]

"JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:c2637d00-29d2-435b...@m24g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM

Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to call
for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as lawmakers step
up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal gun
investigation and leaks of classified information.

<snip rest...>

Technically, lots of senators from both parties have called for Holder to
resign.

[Gray Guest]

3026 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jrg60q$hvl$2...@dont-email.me:

You really are pathetically stupid.

>>
>> Also I tend to bet that those 357 were almost certainly among the 3,500
>> that were notified
>>
>> So again, I fail to see a real problem there.
>
>

[3026 Dead]

Sure ran out of ammo fast, didn't you?

You need a hobby doing something you're good at. Usenet ain't that.

[Gray Guest]

3026 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jrinn5$da4$6...@dont-email.me:

No, stupid, voter fraud is not separate from election fraud.

And Dems would rarely win without either.

[Jeff Strickland]

"JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c2637d00-29d2-435b...@m24g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM

Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to call
for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as lawmakers step
up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal gun
investigation and leaks of classified information.

Hatch, who said Holder “ought to retire” during a radio interview
today on the “Mike Huckabee Show,” is the second Republican on the
Senate Judiciary Committee to say Holder should step aside. John
Cornyn of Texas did so as Holder testified before the panel yesterday.

“He’s basically a nice man, but, by gosh, he’s been so partisan in
that job that I’m very concerned about him and tend to support Senator
Cornyn and others who think he ought to retire,” Hatch said, according
to a transcript from the syndicated radio program provided by his
office.

Holder told lawmakers yesterday that he acted appropriately and
doesn’t have “any intention of resigning.”

Dozens of House Republicans have called for Holder to quit and 115
have signed a “no-confidence” resolution.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/holder-hatch-resignation/2012/06/13/id/442257



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Turns out the entire herd of them should resign. Oblamer has invoked
executive privilege to shield him from telling stuff he supposedly has no
knowledge of. If he has no knowledge, what does he need the shield for? And,
if he needs the shield, then he must have knowledge and therefore the
implications of impeachment or resignation arise.

Once again, Oblamer is taking both sides of the coin -- he says it isn't his
fault, and then makes it worse.

[Phlip]

> Turns out the entire herd of them should resign. Oblamer has invoked
> executive privilege to shield him from telling stuff he supposedly has no
> knowledge of.

And the possibility that Issa is only pretending the 8,000 pages
turned over so far aren't enough...

...and that Obama's protecting the identity of our agents in Latin
America who investigate drug cartels...

...probably hasn't even crossed your mind.

(Ahem. "But Clinton but Clinton but Clinton b...)

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jun 14, 11:25 am, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM
>
> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to call
> for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as lawmakers step
> up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal gun
> investigation and leaks of classified information.
>
> Hatch, who said Holder “ought to retire” during a radio interview
> today on the “Mike Huckabee Show,” is the second Republican on the
> Senate Judiciary Committee to say Holder should step aside. John
> Cornyn of Texas did so as Holder testified before the panel yesterday.
>
> “He’s basically a nice man, but, by gosh, he’s been so partisan in
> that job that I’m very concerned about him and tend to support Senator
> Cornyn and others who think he ought to retire,” Hatch said, according
> to a transcript from the syndicated radio program provided by his
> office.
>
> Holder told lawmakers yesterday that he acted appropriately and
> doesn’t have “any intention of resigning.”
>
> Dozens of House Republicans have called for Holder to quit and 115
> have signed a “no-confidence” resolution.
>

> http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/holder-hatch-resignation/2012/06/13/...

Poor little conservatives...they stomp their little feet so much they
wet themselves.

Thanks God for adult diapers.

TMT

[Jeff Strickland]

"Phlip" <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:c92c16b3-2839-4a89...@q5g2000pba.googlegroups.com...

Protecting the agents is certainly a valid cause, but is not executive
privilege. Executive privilege only shields the president and his aids from
disclosing internal discussions that are the backdrop for policy decisions.
For example, it would be executive privilege to claim that the discussion
and discussion participants for an energy policy would be held a secret,
while the resulting policy might be public. Indeed, any policy should be
public, but that is beside the point.

So, the policy was to run guns to Mexico. We already know this is fact.

Obama was not party to the discussions that established that policy. This is
testimony of Holder himself.

If Obama is not party to the discussions, which we already know is fact,
then what protection can he invoke to shield him? He ought to need no shield
if he does not know, and if he does know then he certainly needs the shield
and should invoke it. But, if he knows then he should have invoked the
shield months ago, maybe years, and we would not be discussing TODAY what he
knew and when after he has spent all of these months asserting he knows
nothing. A man that knows nothing does not need an executive privilege to
shield him from disclosing that which he does not know, and if he does know
something that he wants to shield then he should not go around saying that
he knows nothing when he is deeply involved in knowing all that there is to
know, and therefore needs a shield.

The privilege he is asserting is not the problem. The fact that he is
asserting it after stating in no uncertain terms that he's not involved IS
the problem.

The issue here is the coverup, not the stupid thing that the administration
did. It is sheer lunacy to run guns to the drug cartels but that's precisely
what happened. The inital response should have been, "Yeah, we had a plan.
It turns out to have been a bad plan, and we won't do it again." But
everybody from Obama down said, "We were not involved." Later it turns out
that everybody from Holder down was involved, and now with the executive
privilege invocation, Obama is also involved.

It's the coverup, stupid.

[kady]

On 06/21/2012 12:28 PM, Phlip wrote:
>> Turns out the entire herd of them should resign. Oblamer has invoked
>> executive privilege to shield him from telling stuff he supposedly has no
>> knowledge of.
>
> And the possibility that Issa is only pretending the 8,000 pages
> turned over so far aren't enough...

Doesn't matter if he gets 100,000 pages, if the 100,001st is the smoking
gun.

>
> ...and that Obama's protecting the identity of our agents in Latin
> America who investigate drug cartels...

If that were the case, it would have been raised as a possibility prior
to today. It hasn't been.

>
> ...probably hasn't even crossed your mind.
>
> (Ahem. "But Clinton but Clinton but Clinton b...)

Clinton lied and nobody died, many have said.

On this one, there's a dead American that's being denied justice; and
the AG has lied twice in writing over his signature.

None of that concerns you........why? Take the "partisan" out of it, and
explain why an American agent dead because of a clandestine American
operation doesn't concern you.

What's your message to his widow and his family? "Tough luck, but we
gotta protect our President?"

Kady

[Phlip]

On Jun 21, 11:38 am, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> It's the coverup, stupid.

FL's voter purge targeted 87% blacks. That's a violation of the CRA
(just like 2000 was, but that's beside the point), and it's Holder's
job to investigate.

Issa switched from supporting FnF to attacking Holder as a
distraction.

FL's voter purge is the covered-up crime. Obama is merely allowing
Holder to get back to his job.

And I'm certain that all of Bush's executive privilege invocations
matched your narrow definition.

[Jeff Strickland]

"Phlip" <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:f79feb7f-5e20-43b6...@qq9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

=======================================

Wait a minute, the voter purge has absolutely nothing to do with this other
than Holder is challenging it. He supports illegals voting AND shipping guns
to the drug cartels. I'm not sure you are making a very strong argument in
his favor. And Holder is not challenging the manner in which Florida purges
the voter rolls, he's challenging that they even bother to purge the rolls
AT ALL. He (Holder) says that Florida is not allowed to purge the rolls, he
is not saying the manner in which they are doing it is not suitable. These
are completely different things. One says that the rolls cannot be purged,
and the other says that there is a right way and a wrong way, currently the
wrong way is being used. These two are hugely different.

And you assert (quite wildly, I might add) that the agents in the drug war
need to be protected from exposure if the F&F documents at the DOJ are
released, but the administration IN THE LAST 10 - 15 DAYS released our
strategy for Iran and Yemen and other Mid-East hotspots, and directly
endangered the troops in the region. So, the administration can release top
secret information to the media that might endanger some US agents, and
cover its crimes by refusing to release information to Congress in the name
of protecting other US agents? Give top secrets to the NYT, and with hold
information from Congress. I'd be interested in how one can come to an
irrational rationalization such as that.

[Phlip]

> Wait a minute, the voter purge has absolutely nothing to do with this other
> than Holder is challenging it.

FnF has been brewing for over a year. Why the move right now?

and I remind you Pelosi's on the record supporting the theory. Just as
Issa's on the record claiming Obama hatched a secret plan to steal
your guns...

[Jeff Strickland]

"Phlip" <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:df2e3237-bfc1-40e7...@d6g2000pbt.googlegroups.com...

>> Wait a minute, the voter purge has absolutely nothing to do with this
>> other
>> than Holder is challenging it.
>
> FnF has been brewing for over a year. Why the move right now?
>

Congress has been investigating for almost two years, and Holder has been
stonewalling the investigation the entire time. He started out lying about
the program by saying it did not exist, then it was learned that he actually
was intimately involved in it -- not only did it exist, he was running it.
Now we learn that after months of him saying that the White House was not
involved, the White House invokes exectutive privilege -- something it
cannot do unless it is intimately involved in it also.

Obama cannot claim ignorance AND invoke exectutive privilege. Either he is
ignorant or he isn't and needs to invoke the privilege, but he cannot be
ignorant and invoke the privilege. Well, he could be ignorant and that makes
him try to invoke the privilege, but that only highlights his ignorance of
what he cannot do. He's supposed to be smart enough to know what he cannot
do, he was a constitutional law professor, after all.

> and I remind you Pelosi's on the record supporting the theory. Just as
> Issa's on the record claiming Obama hatched a secret plan to steal
> your guns...

I don't argue against the notion of exectutive privilege, I only point out
what it is intended to do, and what Obama is doing with it is not what the
intention is.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/21/2012 1:28 PM, Phlip wrote:
>> Turns out the entire herd of them should resign. Oblamer has invoked
>> executive privilege to shield him from telling stuff he supposedly has no
>> knowledge of.
>
> And the possibility that Issa is only pretending the 8,000 pages
> turned over so far aren't enough...

That's for congress to decide, NOT you or Obama.

>
> ...and that Obama's protecting the identity of our agents in Latin
> America who investigate drug cartels...

Is Odd because he didn't do that for the CIA agent on a Pakistani prison
for 33 years or for SEAL TEAM SIX.

>
> ...probably hasn't even crossed your mind.

It all crossed my mind.

>
> (Ahem. "But Clinton but Clinton but Clinton b...)

Clinton was a tool who gave up secrets to the Chinese, and Obama is
giving away secrets at a break neck pace.



--
*BeamMeUpScotty's Rule*

#14 - If more Government, solves Liberals every problem, prison must be
a Socialists Nirvana.... and a Club Med vacation for Liberals.

%
#15 - If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to
call for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as
lawmakers step up criticism of his handling of probes into a
federal gun investigation and leaks of classified information.

Liberals call for resignations at the drop of a hat but the Republicans
almost never call for a Liberals to resign.


Must be pretty serious, unlike some bathroom stall gay sex accusations.
The liberals like gays and gay sex but only if it's Liberals gay sex.


It's funny how the Libs get all huffy when Republicans do stupid things
but a Liberal can do illegal things and get away with them.




--
*BeamMeUpScotty's Rule*

#37 - You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you
can't pick your friends nose.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/15/2012 12:04 AM, Gray Guest wrote:
> 3026 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:jrdp9k$c4s$4...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:00:03 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:
>>
>>> Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:40844577-c018-477b-9004-
>>> 3fa56d...@u1g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
>>>

>>>> On Jun 14, 9:25Â am, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM
>>>>>

>>>>> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to call

>>>>> for U.S. Attorney General Eric HolderÂ’s resignation as lawmakers step

>>>>> up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal gun
>>>>> investigation and leaks of classified information.
>>>>

>>>> They are pissed he's investigating Scott Walker's corruption in WI,
>>>
>>> Odd I'd not heard that Walker was corrupt before. Be specific.
>>>
>>>> and Rick Scott's unconstitutional voter purge in FL.
>>>
>>> Removing people ineleigible to vote is unconstitutional? Really? How
>>> many people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons
>>> given? Were they true?
>>
>> Gotta show they're ineligible and THEN remove them, bubbles.
>
> Since you didn't understand the question, buttercup, let me say again:
>
> How many people have been removed so far? What were the specific reasons
> given? Were they true?
>

> You may feel that the right to vote is a gift, but it's not.


The "right" to vote is contingent on being a citizen and proving you are
a citizen is your responsibility NOT the governments.


Do you have to be a citizen to buy a gun? And if so... Where is that
written in the constitution?

--

BE VERY CONCERNED

The gov't has already been overthrown, we're just gonna take it back.

[3026 Dead]

On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:19:21 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to
> call for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as lawmakers
> step up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal gun
> investigation and leaks of classified information.
>
>
> Liberals call for resignations at the drop of a hat but the Republicans
> almost never call for a Liberals to resign.
>
>
> Must be pretty serious, unlike some bathroom stall gay sex accusations.
> The liberals like gays and gay sex but only if it's Liberals gay sex.
>
>
> It's funny how the Libs get all huffy when Republicans do stupid things
> but a Liberal can do illegal things and get away with them.

Whine whine whine. Poor victimized little cunt.

Gonna go honour the war dead that Bush got killed in his pointless wars?

[Gray Guest]

BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
news:4FE5D48F...@blackhole.nebulax.com:

You will note that lardass never responded. We can assume he has no clue
what the answers are.

[Gray Guest]

BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
news:4FE5D069...@blackhole.nebulax.com:

>
> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to
> call for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as
> lawmakers step up criticism of his handling of probes into a
> federal gun investigation and leaks of classified information.
>
>
> Liberals call for resignations at the drop of a hat but the Republicans
> almost never call for a Liberals to resign.
>
>
> Must be pretty serious, unlike some bathroom stall gay sex accusations.
> The liberals like gays and gay sex but only if it's Liberals gay sex.
>
>
> It's funny how the Libs get all huffy when Republicans do stupid things
> but a Liberal can do illegal things and get away with them.
>
>
>
>

Hell, I'm a Republican and I'm calling on Holder to commit ritual seppeku.
Preferably on live TV.

[3026 Dead]

No, it's the government's. You have to establish residency, of course.

[Gray Guest]

Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:c92c16b3-2839-4a89-b097-
784e43...@q5g2000pba.googlegroups.com:

>> Turns out the entire herd of them should resign. Oblamer has invoked
>> executive privilege to shield him from telling stuff he supposedly has
no
>> knowledge of.
>
> And the possibility that Issa is only pretending the 8,000 pages
> turned over so far aren't enough...

Actually the documents withheld are part of a smaller subgroup that are
very specific. The 8,000 was a document dump. It appears that copies of the
relevant documents have already been given to Issa, et al "over the
transom". They know what exactly they are after.

> ...and that Obama's protecting the identity of our agents in Latin
> America who investigate drug cartels...

Oh bullshit. Grow up, the investigation is OVER.

>
> ...probably hasn't even crossed your mind.

that your boys really are criminals and that you do yourself no honor
continuing to whine the party line.

[Rachel Bolan]

"3026 Dead" wrote in message news:js4pus$t1m$4...@dont-email.me...

<^^^^^


Is being a retard your full time job?

[3026 Dead]

On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:09:00 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:

> BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
> news:4FE5D069...@blackhole.nebulax.com:
>
>
>> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to call
>> for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as lawmakers step
>> up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal gun
>> investigation and leaks of classified information.
>>
>>
>> Liberals call for resignations at the drop of a hat but the Republicans
>> almost never call for a Liberals to resign.
>>
>>
>> Must be pretty serious, unlike some bathroom stall gay sex accusations.
>> The liberals like gays and gay sex but only if it's Liberals gay sex.
>>
>>
>> It's funny how the Libs get all huffy when Republicans do stupid things
>> but a Liberal can do illegal things and get away with them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Hell, I'm a Republican and I'm calling on Holder to commit ritual
> seppeku.
> Preferably on live TV.

...and a wonderful job you do, revealing the mind-set of your party!

[3026 Dead]

If it were, I would be your babysitter.

[Gray Guest]

"Rachel Bolan" <Ski...@bass.gov> wrote in news:4fe5f053$0$11541
$607e...@cv.net:

Yes it is. 30+ years expoerience. Very qualified.

[Gray Guest]

3026 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:js4pus$t1m$4...@dont-email.me:

Really, stupid? I just did an I-9 for a new, better, higher paying job. It
was my responsibility to prove that I was a citizen for the I-9 by
providing the requested documents.

The "government" had nothing to do with it.

You shouldn't speak about things that you have no idea about.

>>
>>
>> Do you have to be a citizen to buy a gun? And if so... Where is that
>> written in the constitution?
>
>

[RD Sandman]

Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:df2e3237-bfc1-40e7...@d6g2000pbt.googlegroups.com:

>> Wait a minute, the voter purge has absolutely nothing to do with this
>> other than Holder is challenging it.
>
> FnF has been brewing for over a year. Why the move right now?

Some of those documents have been requested for a long time.
Additionally, in an investigation, things learned from one document lead
to other that you may not have. It isn't the quantity of the documents
that is the problem.....it is the quality of the documents. IOW, they
don't yet have the right ones.

> and I remind you Pelosi's on the record supporting the theory. Just as
> Issa's on the record claiming Obama hatched a secret plan to steal
> your guns...

Not much reason for either. Bush had Operation Wide Receiver from 2005
to 2006 when it was ended. Fast and Furious started in 2009. Two
different operations, two different methodologies, two different groups
of dealers, two different cities. One involved many less guns, had
involvement from both the Mexican government and Mexican law enforcement
and had an attempt made to track the movement of the weapons with
imbedded transmitters. Guess which one that was.


--

Some folks must learn to look at their problems as their dogs do....
If you can't hump them or eat them, ... piss on them ... walk away!!

Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

[RD Sandman]

"Jeff Strickland" <crwl...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:js0n96$2ac$1...@dont-email.me:

>
> "Phlip" <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:df2e3237-bfc1-40e7...@d6g2000pbt.googlegroups.com..
> .
>>> Wait a minute, the voter purge has absolutely nothing to do with
>>> this other
>>> than Holder is challenging it.
>>
>> FnF has been brewing for over a year. Why the move right now?
>>
>
> Congress has been investigating for almost two years, and Holder has
> been stonewalling the investigation the entire time. He started out
> lying about the program by saying it did not exist, then it was
> learned that he actually was intimately involved in it -- not only did
> it exist, he was running it.

Now, now, Jeff. That is theory. It has not been shown to be the
case......yet. That is one reason why they want some of the other docs.
Yes, Holder initially lied about when he learned of F&F but it hasn't yet
been shown how high this thing reaches.

Now we learn that after months of him
> saying that the White House was not involved, the White House invokes
> exectutive privilege -- something it cannot do unless it is intimately
> involved in it also.

That depends on whether or not executive privilege was correctly applied.
In any case, it is quite suspicious.

> Obama cannot claim ignorance AND invoke exectutive privilege. Either
> he is ignorant or he isn't and needs to invoke the privilege, but he
> cannot be ignorant and invoke the privilege. Well, he could be
> ignorant and that makes him try to invoke the privilege, but that only
> highlights his ignorance of what he cannot do. He's supposed to be
> smart enough to know what he cannot do, he was a constitutional law
> professor, after all.
>
>
>
>> and I remind you Pelosi's on the record supporting the theory. Just
>> as Issa's on the record claiming Obama hatched a secret plan to steal
>> your guns...
>
> I don't argue against the notion of exectutive privilege, I only point
> out what it is intended to do, and what Obama is doing with it is not
> what the intention is.
>
>

[RD Sandman]

3026 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:js4ou3$t21$1...@dont-email.me:

Oh, you mean the one in the Joint Resolution that Obama finally got us
out of by following the Bush Administration's timeline? Or do you mean
the one in Afghanistan that Obama swore during his campaign that it was
the "right" war?

[3026 Dead]

Oh, EMPLOYERS can ask. As an American worker, you're garbage, you have
no rights. It's the free market way.

Strut and cringe for your new master.

[3026 Dead]

On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:18:20 -0500, RD Sandman wrote:

> 3026 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:js4ou3$t21$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:19:21 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>
>>> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator to
>>> call for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s resignation as
> lawmakers
>>> step up criticism of his handling of probes into a federal gun
>>> investigation and leaks of classified information.
>>>
>>>
>>> Liberals call for resignations at the drop of a hat but the
> Republicans
>>> almost never call for a Liberals to resign.
>>>
>>>
>>> Must be pretty serious, unlike some bathroom stall gay sex
> accusations.
>>> The liberals like gays and gay sex but only if it's Liberals gay sex.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's funny how the Libs get all huffy when Republicans do stupid
> things
>>> but a Liberal can do illegal things and get away with them.
>>
>> Whine whine whine. Poor victimized little cunt.
>>
>> Gonna go honour the war dead that Bush got killed in his pointless
> wars?
>>
>>
> Oh, you mean the one in the Joint Resolution that Obama finally got us
> out of by following the Bush Administration's timeline? Or do you mean
> the one in Afghanistan that Obama swore during his campaign that it was
> the "right" war?

The very same, bubbles. And I'm glad you finally admit they were wrong,
stupid, and make America look like shit. Too bad it took seven years and
a change in Administration to do it, but what the hell. Welcome aboard.

[Gray Guest]

Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:df2e3237-bfc1-40e7...@d6g2000pbt.googlegroups.com:

>> Wait a minute, the voter purge has absolutely nothing to do with this
>> other than Holder is challenging it.
>
> FnF has been brewing for over a year. Why the move right now?

Shall we investigate high crimes and misdemeanors on your schedule?

>
> and I remind you Pelosi's on the record supporting the theory. Just as
> Issa's on the record claiming Obama hatched a secret plan to steal
> your guns...

Well, it is difficult to assume otherwise.

Why would they create a program where there was no probabilty of effecting
the claimed end result ie arresting the higher up cartel leaders for
smuggling guns when they can't even bust them for drugs when they were even
reallty tracking the weapons, and then the sudden claim by O and his
zombies that the US civilian market was a major supplier of firearms when
it is demonstrably not true.

Are they incompetent? Stupid? Liars? Usurpers? What?

[Oglethorpe]

"3026 Dead" <de...@gone.com> wrote in message
news:js56er$9no$5...@dont-email.me...

So become self employed.

[Steve]

On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:46:36 +0000 (UTC), 3026 Dead <de...@gone.com>
wrote:

A free market implies competition and competition scares the crap out
of losers like Zepp. He wants his rights to include being taken care
of by other people.

[Gray Guest]

3026 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in news:js56er$9no$5...@dont-email.me:

Then I guess we can get rid of the Department of Labor and all those unions
because they claim to be watching out for the worker and according to you
they are worthless.

>
> Strut and cringe for your new master.

What the fuck are you babbling about? Are you one of those welfare leechs
who is to good to work for a living?

>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you have to be a citizen to buy a gun? And if so... Where is that
>>>> written in the constitution?
>>>
>>>
>
>

[JohnJohnsn]

On Jun 24, 1:16 am, "Oglethorpe" <antike...@go.com> wrote:
>
>
> Canadian Expat David Bryan "Zeppo, the Genuine Left-Wing
> Liberal Lunatic Lyin' Socialist Weasel" Jamieson
> <http://tinyurl.com/Lunatic-Weasel>, aka "3026 Dead"
> <dea...@deadduz.com>, wrote:in message

> news:js56er$9no$5...@dont-email.me...
>
>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:09:51 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:
>

>>> 3026 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in

>>> news:js4pus$t1m$4...@dont-email.me:
>
>>>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:37:03 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>
>>>>> On 6/15/2012 12:04 AM, Gray Guest wrote:
>

>>>>>> 3026 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote in

>>>>>>news:jrdp9k$c4s$4...@dont-email.me:
>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:00:03 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:
>

>>>>>>>> Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:40844577-c018-477b-9004-3fa56d091...@u1g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:

>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 9:25Â am, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>> Wednesday, 13 Jun 2012 08:39 PM
>
>>>>>>>>>> Utah Republican Orrin Hatch became at least the fifth senator

>>>>>>>>>> to call for U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder's resignation as

>>>>>>>>>> lawmakers step up criticism of his handling of probes into a
>>>>>>>>>> federal gun investigation and leaks of classified information.
>
>>>>>>>>> They are pissed he's investigating Scott Walker's corruption in WI,
>
>>>>>>>> Odd I'd not heard that Walker was corrupt before.
>>>>>>>> Be specific.
>

Scott Walker Denies He Is Target Of John Doe Criminal Investigation
By Amanda Terkel | ate...@huffingtonpost.com
Posted: 06/02/2012 9:27 pm Updated: 06/04/2012 11:55 am
...
The latest questions arose in after a Friday Facebook post by David
Shuster of Take Action News. "According to government lawyers familiar
with a Milwaukee criminal corruption probe, Wisconsin Governor Scott
Walker is now a 'target' of the investigation," wrote Shuster.

"A hundred percent wrong. Could not be more wrong," said Walker when
asked about Shuster's story. "It's just more of the liberal scare
tactics out there desperately trying to get the campaign off-target
from talking about what it was to begin with. The recall was about our
reforms. Our opponents don't want to talk about them. Then they
shifted to jobs. ... Now they want to switch to something else
desperately, but there's absolutely no truth to that whatsoever."
...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/02/scott-walker-john-doe-criminal-investigation_n_1565419.html

Paraphrasing your Liberal Butt Buddy `Lookout Andy' Hull:

"Why do all you Looney Liberals lie?"

>
>>>>>>>>> and Rick Scott's unconstitutional voter purge in FL.
>
>>>>>>>> Removing people ineleigible to vote is unconstitutional?
>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>> How many people have been removed so far?
>>>>>>>> What were the specific reasons given?
>>>>>>>> Were they true?
>
>>>>>>> Gotta show they're ineligible and THEN remove them, bubbles.
>
>>>>>> Since you didn't understand the question, buttercup, let me say
>>>>>> again:
>
>>>>>> How many people have been removed so far?
>>>>>> What were the specific reasons given?
>>>>>> Were they true?
>
>>>>>> You may feel that the right to vote is a gift, but it's not.
>
>>>>> The "right" to vote is contingent on being a citizen and proving
>>>>> you are a citizen is your responsibility NOT the governments.
>
>>>> No, it's the government's. You have to establish residency, of course.
>
>>> Really, stupid? I just did an I-9 for a new, better, higher paying job.
>>> It was my responsibility to prove that I was a citizen for the I-9 by
>>> providing the requested documents.
>
>>> The "government" had nothing to do with it.
>

Actually, Zeppo; the government has set standards for required
identification for virtually every government-related activity; such
as getting a driver license, accessing sensitive government locations,
getting jobs (both government and private sector), etc.

Why is it that the _only_ thing you Looney Liberals care about WRT
providing a government-issued identification in order to do is voting?

Tell us how requiring a government-issued photo ID card deprives
minorities and elderly of their constitutional right to vote?

The minorities have to provide proof of identity to get a driver
license or ID card, sign up for welfare, cash a check _everywhere_.
etc.

The elderly, in all likelyhood, have had government-issued ID for
decades; so that appears to be a red herring anyway.

And if they don't, are you trying to say that there is no public or
private transportation; such as a friend, neighbor or relative;
available to them in order to get a new ID?

And don't trot out that old, antiquated "requiring to pay for an ID
card is tantamount to a defacto poll tax" strawman, as all the states
I have researched are providing such Voter ID Cards free gratis or
minimal cost.

So, Zeppo, for the record: State your _specific_ reason(s) for
advocating "No ID being required to Vote":

[ http://tinyurl.com/Zeppos-Jeopardy

"Time's up - your answer, please."

[ http://tinyurl.com/Crickets-2-wav

>
>>> You shouldn't speak about things that you have no idea about.
>
>> Oh, EMPLOYERS can ask.
>> As an American worker, you're garbage, you have no rights.
>> It's the free market way.
>
> So become self employed.
>

He is:

Zepp's Word Processing
418 S Mount Shasta Boulevard
Mount Shasta, CA 96067-2526
(530) 926-2515
http://tinyurl.com/Lunatic-Weasel

"Incidently, the fact that the Constitution
specifies that people have the right to vote in a
presidential election pretty much takes the choice
of having [a presidential election] out of the hands
of the states."
--David B.(Zepp) Jamieson Sun, Sep 3 2006

[3026 Dead]

Isn't that exactly what the GOP wants to do?

There's still work to be done, bubbles! Sure, American workers have less
rights than any group of workers in the industrialized world, but there's
still those annoying laws that say you have to pay them, and can't hire
little kids who are much cheaper to feed, and they're even allowed to
complain if, in your well-meaning efforts to enhance productivity, you
happen to get a few of them killed.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>3026 Dead <de...@gone.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

> Sure, American workers have less
>rights than any group of workers in the industrialized world

[chuckle]

Poor American workers.

That's why people are risking death to get here.

[Jeff Strickland]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA07B687BB...@216.196.121.131...

> "Jeff Strickland" <crwl...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:js0n96$2ac$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>> "Phlip" <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:df2e3237-bfc1-40e7...@d6g2000pbt.googlegroups.com..
>> .
>>>> Wait a minute, the voter purge has absolutely nothing to do with
>>>> this other
>>>> than Holder is challenging it.
>>>
>>> FnF has been brewing for over a year. Why the move right now?
>>>
>>
>> Congress has been investigating for almost two years, and Holder has
>> been stonewalling the investigation the entire time. He started out
>> lying about the program by saying it did not exist, then it was
>> learned that he actually was intimately involved in it -- not only did
>> it exist, he was running it.
>
> Now, now, Jeff. That is theory. It has not been shown to be the
> case......yet. That is one reason why they want some of the other docs.
> Yes, Holder initially lied about when he learned of F&F but it hasn't yet
> been shown how high this thing reaches.
>

Well, we know that Holder was involved, and he asserts that Obama was not,
yet Obama is now asserting Executive Privilege to protect him from revealing
the source of the stuff he does not know.

> Now we learn that after months of him
>> saying that the White House was not involved, the White House invokes
>> exectutive privilege -- something it cannot do unless it is intimately
>> involved in it also.
>
> That depends on whether or not executive privilege was correctly applied.
> In any case, it is quite suspicious.
>
>

If Obama truly does not know anything then executive privilege is not
correctly applied, and if it is correctly applied then he must know
something.

He is either lying now, or he was lying then.

[pyotr filipivich]

Let the Record show that Gray Guest <No_email...@wahoo.com> on or
about Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:21:47 +0000 (UTC) did write, type or
otherwise cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:

>Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in news:c92c16b3-2839-4a89-b097-
>784e43...@q5g2000pba.googlegroups.com:
>
>>> Turns out the entire herd of them should resign. Oblamer has invoked
>>> executive privilege to shield him from telling stuff he supposedly has
>no
>>> knowledge of.
>>
>> And the possibility that Issa is only pretending the 8,000 pages
>> turned over so far aren't enough...
>
>Actually the documents withheld are part of a smaller subgroup that are
>very specific. The 8,000 was a document dump. It appears that copies of the
>relevant documents have already been given to Issa, et al "over the
>transom". They know what exactly they are after.
>
>> ...and that Obama's protecting the identity of our agents in Latin
>> America who investigate drug cartels...
>
>Oh bullshit. Grow up, the investigation is OVER.

That is so funny. "Obama protecting the identity of our agents".
Yeah, right. Like Obama is going to do anything to protect sources if
the revelation will make him look good.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.

[Gray Guest]

pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:aa9hu7lrj9l0b2ip6...@4ax.com:

Keerist! He's already given up agents in the Afghanistan to make himself
look good.

And, oh by the way, Fast and Furious is supposedly ended anyway. There is
no "operational security" to safeguard.

[JohnJohnsn]

On Jun 21, 12:28 pm, Phlip <phlip2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Turns out the entire herd of them should resign. Oblamer has invoked
>> executive privilege to shield him from telling stuff he supposedly has
>> no knowledge of.
>
> And the possibility that Issa is only pretending the 8,000 pages
> turned over so far aren't enough...
>

Have you seen the photo of the pages turned over with every line
blacked out?

http://images.quickblogcast.com/0/8/8/4/7/185470-174880/bk.jpg?a=6

>
> ...and that Obama's protecting the identity of our agents in Latin
> America who investigate drug cartels...
>

> ...probably hasn't even crossed your mind.
>

Whoa there, Phil!

By claiming "our agents in Latin America [are] investigating drug
cartels," you are claiming that `Fast and Furious' covered virtually
all the land mass south of the southern border of the United States!

"Latin America" includes:

Mexico, most of Central and South America, and in the Caribbean, Cuba,
the Dominican Republic, and Puerto Rico — in summary, Hispanic America
and Brazil. Latin America is, therefore, defined as all those parts of
the Americas that were once part of the Spanish and Portuguese
Empires.

By this definition, Latin America is coterminous with Ibero-america
("Iberian America").
Particularly in the United States, the term more broadly refers to all
of the Americas south of the United States, thus including: English-
speaking countries such as Belize, Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and
Tobago, Guyana, Antigua and Barbuda, St. Lucia, Dominica, Grenada, St.
Vincent and the Grenadines, and the Bahamas; French-speaking Haiti and
Martinique, Guadeloupe, French Guiana; and the Dutch-speaking
Netherlands Antilles, Aruba and Suriname. (In the former Netherlands
Antilles and Aruba, Papiamento – a predominantly Iberian-derived
creole language – is spoken by the majority of the population.) This
definition emphasizes a similar socioeconomic history of the region,
which was characterized by formal or informal colonialism, rather than
cultural aspects. (See, for example, dependency theory.) As such, some
sources avoid this oversimplification by using the phrase "Latin
America and the Caribbean" instead, as in the United Nations geoscheme
for the Americas.

In a more literal definition, which remains faithful to the original
usage, Latin America designates all of those countries and territories
in the Americas where a Romance language (i.e., languages derived from
Latin, and hence the name of the region) is spoken: Spanish,
Portuguese, and French, and the creole languages based upon these.
Strictly considering this definition, Quebec, in Canada, is part of
Latin America as well. But this region is rarely considered so, since
its history, distinctive culture and economy, and British-inspired
political institutions are generally deemed too closely intertwined
with the rest of Canada.

The distinction between Latin America and Anglo-America is a
convention based on the predominant languages in the Americas by which
Romance-language and English-speaking cultures are distinguished.
Neither area is culturally or linguistically homogeneous; in
substantial portions of Latin America (e.g., highland Peru, Bolivia,
Guatemala, and Paraguay), American Indian cultures and, to a lesser
extent, Amerindian languages, are predominant, and in other areas, the
influence of African cultures is strong (e.g., the Caribbean basin—
including parts of Colombia and Venezuela)—and the coastal areas of
Ecuador and Brazil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America

Care to provide evidence to back up that false assertion, Phil?

"Do you want to change your bullshit story, sir?"
--Chief Deputy US Marshal Samuel Gerard

"Come on, don't give us none of your bullshit stories huh?...I'm
pretty much ODing on all your bullshit stories!"
--Jake Fratelli
>
> (Ahem. "But Clinton but Clinton but Clinton b...)
>
The Third Law of Leftist Debate:
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter
to his preconceived world view, and the more difficult it becomes for
him to refute it without losing face, the chance of him changing his
criteria (goal post move) approaches infinity.

[RD Sandman]

"Jeff Strickland" <crwl...@yahoo.com> wrote in

news:js85va$9h3$1...@dont-email.me:

Personally, I don't believe that Obama was involved in F&F. That took
place below his pay grade. I do believer, however, that his claim of
executive privilege is as much to protect Holder as it is cover anything
up.

[Jeff Strickland]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA07D7FB58...@216.196.121.131...

I agree that it's below his pay grade, BUT (and this is a big but), if he is
gonna invoke executive privilege, then he must have been involved. He cannot
claim executive privilege for the actions of his cabinet appointees UNLESS
those appointees physically held discussions with him and he wants to be
shielded from disclosing what the discussions were about. And, he cannot
invoke executive privilege just because the cabinet is an executive branch
department.

So, he knows nothing of F&F, which means he cannot invoke EP. Or, he knows
all about F&F, which means he can invoke EP. The trouble is, he (through
surrogates such as Holder) has claimed for more than a year that he knows
nothing, and now he admits to knowing all about it because that is the basis
for invoking EP.

He was either lying then, or he is lying now.

[Scout]

"Jeff Strickland" <crwl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jsb1pq$que$1...@dont-email.me...

Hmm.... Wouldn't that also put Holder and the others in the position of
having committed perjury since they claimed under oath that Obama knew
nothing about it, and now we have Obama taking a legal action that indicated
he was involved and thus did know what was going on.

[Gray Guest]

RD Sandman <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in

news:XnsA07D7FB58...@216.196.121.131:

Again I respectfully disagree. There is no way a career civil service
person would allow guns to leave the country in this manner. You just don't
know this people. Elected people are this reckless and arrogant. Political
appointees are this reckless and arrogant. Regular guys with pensions, even
if they are gummint types, have thier limits. Guns going over the border
involves violating international treaties, not something someone with a
pension riding on the outcome is going to risk.

Electees and appointees always have something else to do when thier time is
up. Careerists really have nowhere else to go if disgraced.

[Jeff Strickland]

"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:jsb2eh$tp4$1...@dont-email.me...

>> He was either lying then, or he is lying now.
>
> Hmm.... Wouldn't that also put Holder and the others in the position of
> having committed perjury since they claimed under oath that Obama knew
> nothing about it, and now we have Obama taking a legal action that
> indicated he was involved and thus did know what was going on.
>
>
>

Yes. That's why they need to invoke executive privilege, to shield them from
showing who knew what when and who told him because they have all been lying
all along about all of it.

Their only way out is to hold protracted negotiations on what the meaning of
is is.

[RD Sandman]

"Jeff Strickland" <crwl...@yahoo.com> wrote in

news:jsb1pq$que$1...@dont-email.me:

Or simply trying to protect Holder like Bush did for Karl Rove. Do you
think that Bush was involved in all that Rove did?

He cannot claim executive privilege for the actions of his
> cabinet appointees UNLESS those appointees physically held discussions
> with him and he wants to be shielded from disclosing what the
> discussions were about.

Not true. He can claim executive privilege for whatever occurred within
the upper levels of his administration he wished to as long as he can
declare them critical. What he cannot do is use executive privilege to
cover up a crime or criminal activity.

And, he cannot invoke executive privilege just
> because the cabinet is an executive branch department.

Correct. It must be an upper level department.

> So, he knows nothing of F&F, which means he cannot invoke EP. Or, he
> knows all about F&F, which means he can invoke EP.

In either case he could.

The trouble is, he
> (through surrogates such as Holder) has claimed for more than a year
> that he knows nothing, and now he admits to knowing all about it
> because that is the basis for invoking EP.
>
> He was either lying then, or he is lying now.

The term "Executive Privilege" is a rather new one only coming into
existance under Nixon. Prior to that, it was simply known as the
president's discretion to withhold information. It's intent to solidify
the powers of separation between the three branches. If the president
were to not have that power the Executive Branch would become subservient
to the Legislative one.

There are no hard and fast rules as to when that privilege may be applied
or used. Basically, it is used when Congress has requested or subpoenaed
documents or demanded testimony about conversations relating to official
duties. Information may be kept private because the law prohibits
government agencies from releasing, for example, investigative files.
Requests for information may also be rebuffed because the information
contains military or diplomatic secrets, internal government affairs or
policy making matters, such as recommendations of subordinates or working
papers.

BTW, the claim is not absolute. It can be overturned by the Court as
Nixon found out.

[RD Sandman]

"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:jsb2eh$tp4$1...@dont-email.me:

Where do you get that idea from? There is nothing in Executive Privilege
that means that the president was fully versed on what was going on.

[RD Sandman]

Gray Guest <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in
news:XnsA07DEA48415D0We...@88.198.244.100:

Again, that is your right.

There is no way a career civil service
> person would allow guns to leave the country in this manner.

Hmmmmm, I wasn't aware that ATF agents were in an elected position. A
couple of them agreed with you and blew the whistle, but others did not.
Some even thought it was a good idea.

You just
> don't know this people. Elected people are this reckless and arrogant.

I know people fairly well regardless of whether they were elected or not.

> Political appointees are this reckless and arrogant. Regular guys with
> pensions, even if they are gummint types, have thier limits.

Some do......some do not.

Guns
> going over the border involves violating international treaties, not
> something someone with a pension riding on the outcome is going to
> risk.

You will be in for a surprise.

> Electees and appointees always have something else to do when thier
> time is up. Careerists really have nowhere else to go if disgraced.

Very few of them feel that they will not succeed.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Rove was White House council and wasn't it "attorney / client" privilege
that was in jeopardy when Bush claimed the privilege, Holder isn't
council but rather an employee. NO privilege there.


--
*BeamMeUpScotty's Rule*

#17 - Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know where the nuts
are? -Gump that-

[RD Sandman]

BeamMeUpScotty <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
news:4FEA1FAB...@blackhole.nebulax.com:

> On 6/26/2012 1:27 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwl...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:jsb1pq$que$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:XnsA07D7FB58...@216.196.121.131...
>>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwl...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> news:js85va$9h3$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:XnsA07B687BB...@216.196.121.131...
>>>>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwl...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:js0n96$2ac$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Phlip" <phli...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:df2e3237-bfc1-40e7-af53-d032517c1ea3

The point was that that was the beginning of the modern term executive
privilege. It can be used for the reasons that I posted and it may be
overturned by the Court.

[Gray Guest]

RD Sandman <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net> wrote in

news:XnsA07E6B3FE...@216.196.121.131:

he vast majority just want to do thier time and reture.

Zealots are zealots no matter what.

[RD Sandman]

Gray Guest <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in

news:XnsA07ED3228F22We...@88.198.244.100:

Pretty much true, unfortunately.

> Zealots are zealots no matter what.

A rule of thumb it seems. ;)